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Another one of my friends is going to be getting married sometime in the next month and

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In looking at this as I started thinking about some of the weddings that I've done before

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What was funny is that before coming to Christ Memorial?

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I don't know that I've ever actually conducted a wedding in a church before I had done a wedding on a mountain

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I had done a wedding in a bar. I had done a wedding on a ranch

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You know in a box with the box with socks. I mean whatever it may be

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but one of the things with the different weddings is that

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99 times out of a hundred you can almost guarantee

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That they're going to want one specific passage read in the wedding, which would be

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first Corinthians 13 and

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You've got to have the love is patient love is kind love keeps no record of wrongs and some of the couples that are out there are saying

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I think we may have to go revisit those a little bit there

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But in thinking about it is the funny part about first Corinthians 13 is that it has absolutely nothing to do

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with weddings and in reality it has actually nothing to do with

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couples whatsoever is that it actually is trying to explain a little bit more

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About what we're speaking about the unity of the church from first Corinthians 12 now

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I'm not going to be the jerk pastor who tells a married couple. You're not you can't use that passage

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It's not technically about weddings and then everybody goes to find somebody else to do their wedding for them

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But with it though is when we think of some of those parts of that chapter

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When we think what is before the wedding scripture of first Corinthians 13?

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We realize why all those random parts are in there

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Because it seems so out of context when all we know of it is the wedding scripture

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So for example when it says if I speak in the tongues of angels and of men but have not loved, you know

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I'm a sounding gong clanging symbol

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Because we're looking at first Corinthians 12 talking about having gifts of speaking in tongues of angels

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And he's trying to put it in context or to realize that it's not just you can do it

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That's great. But are you loving your neighbor as you do so or if I have the gift of prophecy and I can fathom all mysteries

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What does that have to do with married couples? Well, no is that realizing is that in chapter 12

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Some people had a gift of being able to speak the truth of the present or the future and others were able to give

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Wisdom and knowledge so they're trying to explain yes, but

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Whatever gift you have are you doing so with love for your neighbor?

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Not just trying to be puffed up and prove something to other people if I have a faith that can move mountains

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Because in chapter 12 it had said

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For those who have faith who have the gift of faith and it sounds strange

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Because we may be thinking well wait a minute

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Shouldn't we all have the gift of faith? Yes, but it's specifying the idea of faith that can do miraculous things

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And then on top of it says love does not dishonor and this idea of being able to point out

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that oftentimes in

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Especially in the early church, but we still see it sometimes today is that people might try to prove themselves to be more

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Spiritual than somebody else and it's almost like trying to honor yourself

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by shaming somebody else and

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It says when I was a child that thought like a child spoke like a child that reasoned like a child

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But when I became a man, you know, I put away childish things and you're like, okay now you just lost me Paul

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And that's because in chapter 12

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He's trying to let them know that they need to become more mature

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They need to think through what it is they're doing and not just try to be excited and try to just have everything be

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Whatever seems like fun at the moment

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And he's trying to get them to think through things

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So trying to understand

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chapter 13

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Today's passage is needed

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But today's passage has a lot to it and one of the things that always struck me whenever I would read chapter 12

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Was the idea when it says no one who says Jesus be cursed has the spirit of God

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And that's one of the things about this is this idea of

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Can Christians say?

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Jesus be cursed and you know, that's something that's interesting is how often

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Do you feel like you are genuinely being asked by somebody to curse Jesus?

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That's not like a normal thing you don't go to Starbucks and give them your Starbucks points and they say thank you

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Would you like whipped cream great? Would you like to curse Jesus? No, okay? That would be fine. That'll be seven dollars

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But we think about what in the world is the understanding that's happening here

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What are they trying to get across now? What you have to realize is that there actually were times

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Where people were being interrogated

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About whether or not they were actually Christian and there was a test

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Later on so this was later after Paul was writing here, but it gives a context

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is that emperor Trajan the Roman Empire if he wondered if someone was following this

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Christian sect would actually have a person in front of him and say okay curse Jesus and

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If a person could curse Jesus in front of him and give a sacrifice to the gods

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He would let them go because no one who's a Christian can do that

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But if they couldn't and if they still had to proclaim Jesus as Lord

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It kind of proves who they truly are

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But you see there's also a lot more to this context too

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See there were also

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different cults at the time that might try to combine

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Christianity

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into what they were teaching and doing at the time

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Dionysus or

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Bacchus or basically the god of partying and revelry there was a cult and

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With it was that they would oftentimes have these like strange worship times where they were in these ecstatic movements and everything where they were just

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Experiencing whatever was overwhelming them at the moment and in their ecstasy. They would say all sorts of random things and

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some Christian believers at the time speaking to Corinth

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Some of them were tempted to listen to some of them and what may come from these particular

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priests and priestesses

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The thing is though

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That you never knew whether they would or wouldn't bless or curse Jesus

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And to be able to say that whatever you're hearing from people around you

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It should never be if it's the spirit of God the spirit of God is not going to fill somebody and then they go

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And curse Jesus

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But third

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Is to remember that whatever we do to the least of these we have done

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onto Christ

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We oftentimes love the idea of blessing Jesus name

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But are we willing to do so by blessing the people he loves and

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That's something that we have to remember is that whether we have blessed or cursed our neighbor is

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Also indicative of whether we are blessing or cursing

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Jesus

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Because as much as we in the world we have to make difficult life decisions

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We don't have to do so

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hurtfully or without compassion

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We can always pause whether it be our family our friends our business our home the world around us and always say

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Can I do this?

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With compassion and understanding in my heart

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But it then goes from this idea of

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Those who follow Jesus his spirit cannot say Jesus be cursed and it starts going into the different gifts of God's spirit

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The thing is is that there are different places in scripture that actually list out

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What are the gifts of God's spirit and?

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There are some that are listed here in 1st Corinthians 12. It talks about

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Sorry, it talks about being able to give wisdom as well as those who can give knowledge

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Talks about those who have faith and those who can do healing and miraculous powers

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Those who can have prophecy

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distinguished between spirits speak in different kinds of tongues and

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In and interpret the tongues

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We're going to notice that the two in regarded tongues are last in this list and

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We know that Paul is trying to help explain to the people

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What they're supposed to do with those tongues, but you see this list

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This is not the only place for time where we see a similar list

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It's it says in here about wisdom and knowledge. Let's be honest

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There are a lot of times where somebody may have a lot of book learning, but they don't seem to be very wise

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So maybe they are able to teach

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Physics to a high school class, but they're not quite sure what to do with the breaker box outside of their home or

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Oftentimes wherever somebody may be able to be really intelligent about knowing all these completely flowery things to speak

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Maybe they majored in communication, but then in person they seem to get on everybody's nerves

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And there can be knowledge, but not always wisdom

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And at the same time there can be wisdom and not knowledge

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Or maybe a person is always trying to somehow balance things out, but doesn't have enough input to do so

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but comparing this list with

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Romans 12

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Where it says having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us

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Let us use them if prophecy in proportion to our faith if service in our serving the one who teaches in

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His teaching the one who exhorts like you are urging people to things

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Then in his exhortation the one who contributes in

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Generosity the one who leads in zeal and the one who does acts of mercy

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with cheerfulness or

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In Ephesians 4 it says he gave the apostles the prophets the evangelists the shepherds and

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Teachers to equip the saints for the work of ministry for building up the body of Christ

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All of these lists are supposed to be similar. They're not exhaustive

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It's not like you can't say well, you know, I have a particular gift from God and I'm glad to use it

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But it's not listed in here. So therefore I have to ignore it now granted

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I believe that the Spirit of God has given me that the gift of terrible jokes

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But for some reason Paul forgot to include it in here because I don't think he knew the Greek word for it

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But with these is that we realize that the other passages

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Notice that they don't specify

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speaking in tongues

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And that's because speaking in tongues was not supposed to be something so special and set apart

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That it missed the point of all the other gifts

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It's not supposed to be something for its own sake

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Not something where that goes beyond

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teaching

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Bringing people to know one another and to know God more clearly

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And that's something that we need to at least understand a bit before we can ask this question about

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speaking in tongues

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huh, and

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Let's just be honest

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Lutherans have a rough time with passages like this

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We really do and you know if somebody all of a sudden were to over often the fellowship hall start speaking in tongues

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We probably go check to see if the security guard is still here in the narthex and that's the thing with it though is

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What even is it?

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What is the speaking in tongues?

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discussions about whether or not

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There are two different things happening

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between acts to

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Where the people at Pentecost

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We're speaking in different languages in different tongues

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Versus first Corinthians 12

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Where they are the speaking of tongues and the interpreting of tongues

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Oftentimes we may be looking at this idea of whether or not those are two

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separate types of things if you look at reading the chapters on their own if

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You look at them in their context because what we see in acts, too

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Is that you have people that are all of a sudden speaking languages to people in front of them that they can understand?

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Whereas you may normally have people that are speaking Aramaic

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Maybe Greek maybe Hebrew remember Aramaic was kind of a common language

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It's like what English has become for us today, but for business

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You would speak Greek

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For religious purposes you had Hebrew

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But now all the different people that might be coming through

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Jerusalem and the Roman Empire speaking all these other languages and all of a sudden you're

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Explaining the gospel to them, but it's coming out in completely different and strange words

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it was like

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when I was in in China and I was trying to learn

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Chinese and I was trying to like pick up some things and

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Sometimes whenever you've learned you're trying to learn a different language

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But maybe you had tried a different one before and you realize I never learned that word

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but I had never learned the word sandwich in Spanish and

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Here I was trying to learn sandwich in Chinese

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Sun Misa

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All right, and so I could say

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Well, y'all Sun Misa I want to sandwich

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But the problem was that I never learned what it was in Spanish. The problem is is that nowadays I

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Keep trying to say yo quiero un sandwich and all I come out with is yo quiero un sun means

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Oh and the poor lady at the taqueria has nobody to deal what I'm trying to say to her

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I'm trying to say sandwich and I'm trying to do it as bilingual as I can

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But the word coming out is completely wrong

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Or different from what I'm expecting

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But could you imagine that now at this moment?

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They're not just doing this as bilingual or trialing will people who accidentally slip up and fall into their other language

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But now they're doing it with languages that they never actually knew

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Their brain is trying to say one thing and it comes out differently

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But now if you look at first Corinthians 12

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It seems completely different a ton of angels

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as if it's some other type of language that nobody actually speaks on earth and

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The only way to try to understand it if somebody else is standing there saying okay

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I think this is what the angels would understand you to say they might call it holy mumbling in some ways now

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And do you have to mention is that?

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we

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believe

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That God could very well utilize tongues again as

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Needed to spread the gospel it is always possible for God to do his work

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What's been interesting is the cessationists the ones who say that there are no more gifts of the spirit today

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what they will say is

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that

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At that time first Corinthians 12 did not mean anything other than speaking in

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Human languages that other people understood at the time and they believe

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Many of them that only until the Pentecostal movement became a thing 18th 19th century

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That all of a sudden commentaries

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Started adding this angel language in there to meet what was being taught

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by that particular church body

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The reason why they would say this number one because many of them are

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uncomfortable with the concept of tongues, but also

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When they look at the word tongues is that it's the same word between the two passages

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But if you look at the context in first Corinthians 12 and it speaks to there are the tongues of angels

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We also know that there were many early church fathers

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When they were speaking and talking at different times that would reference this idea of there being a different language

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That somehow came from heaven

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Ignatius and tertulian and

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Even to the point where there was even

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Montanus who even had a heretical sect based out of it or

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Even during the dark ages the Middle Ages if you will where they would be

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Different monks or nuns who would speak to the idea of having a heavenly language and ecstatic speech

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So ever since the time of Paul there have always been those

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Who have felt like they were able to have some time of

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Speaking in some other language that no human would understand

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But is there something to it

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To be fair

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It has actually been studied

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To actually measure the brain waves is that when a person is speaking in tongues at a time like that

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It actually shows

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That it's not using the same part of the brain

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That you would normally use to communicate when talking to people

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So whatever is happening

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They genuinely believe that they are speaking in a heavenly language in their mind. They're not faking it

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But that doesn't mean that we should just always

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accept it

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No matter what comes from it

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Why is that?

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because of the purpose of gifts

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Because the purpose of gifts is always to proclaim

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Christ

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Because that's the thing about this is that if somebody is wishing to have a time where they are

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Speaking something that they feel is mystical or grabs attention and somehow people are going to listen more

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Is that we have to be careful at those times?

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Even for those who feel themselves gifted in

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This particular area many of them are trained to start by doing it by just mumbling and

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Hoping that the spirit will take it from there or

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Others where they know that they have just been caught up in a community that was doing the same

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But even more than that is even asking what was the purpose

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Because Paul tells us that tongues were only meant for unbelievers

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the purpose behind it

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Was going to the Gentiles

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Was going to people who were speaking other languages and making sure that they could hear the gospel so if you are

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In a worship setting with believers the gift God desires

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is prophecy

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speaking truth

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And that's the thing that we have to be careful about

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We are in a world where people have many different perspectives on what faith may be

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But whatever that perspective may be that is always meant for the same purpose

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To proclaim Christ Jesus

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It's not about trying to do something for ourselves

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But more than that

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Is to also be able to point out

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That many of us have many different gifts

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We are all sorts of different gifted types of people

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There are those who are teaching there are those who are teaching

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There are those who are preaching there are those who are comforting and caring for one another

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There are those who are getting out there to make sure that they share the gospel and those who are going out to plant new churches

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There are many people doing many different things

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But we're all meant to be sharing in the same spirit of God

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Whatever it is that we feel called to by God

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We should still be learning who he is in spirit and in truth

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And we should still be asking is this bearing the fruit

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That God desires of us

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Because whatever your gifts may be

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They will always be to share love

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joy

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peace

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Patience kindness

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goodness

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faithfulness

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gentleness

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and self-control

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Whatever someone may tell you is from God

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If it is not to proclaim his gospel and to bear the fruits of his spirit

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then run away

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Because all of these are meant for one spirit and for one Lord

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So as we continue in this world around us and we see that there are so many things that we may pursue in faith

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People may come to you with things that they declare to be of the spirit of God

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But you must always pause and ask

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Is this

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Proclaiming Christ Jesus to the world in a way they can understand as

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It and is it helping us to grow in humility and truth in the fruits of God's spirit

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Because nothing from God will ever contradict that

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Thanks be to God

