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Welcome to Hosanna Christian Fellowship. We're so glad you're here to worship with us this morning.

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I am Pastor Nathan and this morning we have a very special guest speaker that's here with us today.

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But to preface all of this, last week in our last Bible study we just concluded Revelation chapter 13.

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And we've been talking a lot about the end times, specifically during the tribulation period of

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what's going to be taking place as the Antichrist comes along the scene.

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And then last week specifically we looked at his sidekick, his lackey that comes along with him,

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the false prophet, who's going to be instrumental in forming a one world religion.

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Somehow, someway through his gifted rhetoric and oratory is going to get all of the different religions

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of the world to come together and to agree to be unified under one banner. And it's false.

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That's why he's called the false prophet. The things he speaks are lies.

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Well, as we've mentioned through our study of Revelation, you know, Satan is the father of lies.

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And he has been working from the very beginning and he will be working through to the very end

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to lie to mankind about the truths of who God is. And he has done that through many different ways.

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But chiefly, one of them is by the raising up of false religions, cults and others that want to

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proclaim a different truth about who God is and specifically a different truth about who Jesus is.

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And so today we're going to have someone here who is, I will introduce him to you later,

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but I just want to give you guys the idea that this individual is an expert in what he does

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and specifically in the ideas and the concepts of Christianity versus Islam.

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And Islam is one of the, if not the largest and fastest growing religion in the world today

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according to who you talk to and being equipped and ready and educated and just ready to have

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a conversation with someone who is an adherent of Islam so that you could talk them through

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the issues with Islam and really to highlight the truths of Christianity is a very, very important skill.

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Not just in the end times, but today. And so we're going to be educated and taught today.

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I'm very excited for you guys to hear what our guest speaker has to say.

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But right now we are going to open with a time of worship.

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We do this every Sunday before we get into the Word because we know God is worthy.

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God is almighty. He is worth our worship. He is the one who died for our sins.

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He is the only and one true God, Jesus Christ, God in the flesh who came to live and to die for us

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and then who rose from the dead on the third day. Amen. Let's pray.

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Father God, we thank you so much, Lord, for today.

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God, we thank you for the opportunity, Lord, to gather together to hear your word.

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We thank you for the opportunity to worship you, God.

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Lord, we know that we are in a world today, God, where the enemy has labored in overtime

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to spread false truths about who you are, to discredit your character, to discredit your word.

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Lord, he has even raised up all these false religions and cults, Lord,

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with their own quote unquote holy books, Lord, that are meant to deceive the people.

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And so, Lord, we know that you have called us to be ready in season and out of season

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to have an answer for the faith that is within us, God.

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Lord, we pray, God, today that you would just speak to us and equip us, Lord.

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But right now, we want to worship you, God.

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We want to praise your holy name because you are God Almighty and we love you.

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We are so thankful for the salvation we have through the death of Jesus Christ.

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We are so thankful for the life we have because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

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We are thankful for the hope we have in our salvation.

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So, God, be blessed. We honor you this morning, God, as we worship and praise your holy name.

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We thank you for everything and we love you so much.

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It's in Jesus' name we pray, amen.

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Our speaker today, I'm really blessed to have him because his knowledge is just thorough

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in how to speak to, as Rick was saying, to people that are adherents of Islam

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and how to speak to them about the differences between Islam and Christianity

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and the truth of Christianity.

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But I was very blessed because Dr. J. Smith, who is our speaker today,

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he was with us back in 2018 and shared with us.

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And it's been a video that's been up on our YouTube channel since then.

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And from then until now, it's had over 250,000 views worldwide.

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It is the number one most viewed video on our YouTube channel.

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And the comment section is just on fire all day every day

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with people that are both hateful and angry at Dr. Smith as well as people that are in support of it.

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But what I felt extremely timely about his being here with us today

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is not only have we been talking about the false prophet and false religions and stuff,

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but about three weeks ago, we got notice, and I don't know if I can say this online,

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we might cut it later, but three weeks ago we got notice from YouTube

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that Dr. Smith's video was blocked by the government of Pakistan, in Pakistan.

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And yeah, we celebrate that because it's having an effect.

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But the interesting part about that is some of you may know, some of you may not know,

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there is a massive genocide against Christians taking place in Pakistan right now,

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perpetrated by Muslims.

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And it was just interesting, right?

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Not coincidental that the government had notified YouTube,

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hey, this video is whatever, hate speech, whatever, and they blocked it.

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Well, at that time, we actually had another speaker lined up today

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that was going to be here from the conference.

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And unfortunately, well, fortunately, I would say at this point,

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that speaker ended up having another engagement.

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And then Pastor George called me and he goes,

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hey, would you like to have Dr. J. Smith come and share with your body?

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And I went, wow, that would be amazing.

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This was the day after the video got blocked in Pakistan.

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And I thought, wow, I could see God going, oh, you think you're going to block a video, Pakistan?

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I'm going to bring Dr. J. Smith back.

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You know, we're going to do another one.

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And so we are very excited.

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Dr. J. Smith is the international director of the Fander Center for Apologetics in London, England.

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And he's been working with Muslims for over 35 years,

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serving with the Brethren in Christ World Missions,

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and serving in the last 25 years in London, England.

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Most of his time is spent traveling to numerous different countries

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to teach Christian and Muslim apologetics and polemics,

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as much of which he has learned from weekly forays

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into the famous Speakers Corner in Hyde Park in London.

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J. has two master's degrees in divinity, one from Eastern Baptist Theological Seminary

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and a degree in Islamic from Fuller Seminary.

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And he has a PhD in Apologetics and polemics from Melbourne School of Theology in Australia.

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And so this individual has been spending a lifetime honing the skills.

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And he is here with us this morning to share those skills and that knowledge with us.

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And so please help me welcome up Dr. J. Smith.

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It would be nice if some of you could come forward,

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because we're going to do something a little bit different today.

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We're going to make some of you Muslims.

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Oh, yeah, don't worry, we'll convert you back.

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We'll convert you back before the end of the service.

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One of the things I like to do is do a comparison between Islam and Christianity.

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And many people think that we share an awful lot in common.

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How many people think we share the same God?

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I see a raise of hands.

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Okay, two over here think we share the same God.

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I'm going to shut that down before you leave,

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because obviously this idea that we share an awful lot in common,

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we need to be careful of.

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An awful lot of what people assume because we do believe in God,

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they believe in God, we believe in God of Abraham,

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they believe in God of Abraham, it must be the same God.

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We share the same scriptures.

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How many people believe we share the same scriptures?

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None.

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How about the prophetic line?

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Share the same prophetic line?

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Still none.

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Okay, and what I want to do today is I want to do some comparisons

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back and forth with Islam and Christianity.

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I'm going to make you all Muslims today, all right?

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So to do that I want to hear you say, Allah Akbar.

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No, no, come on, a lot better than that.

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Allah Akbar.

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There's a few down there, okay.

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So you're going to be Muslims.

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I want you to think like Muslims, I want you to act like Muslims.

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If you don't like what I'm saying, get up and yell at me if you want to.

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I'm up higher than you are, makes me feel comfortable.

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I feel like I'm right back in speaker's corner.

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But certainly what I want you to do is try to put your Muslim caps on

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this morning, all right?

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Try to think as a Muslim, what I'm talking about in the different

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categories that I'm going through, see how you would respond.

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Meanwhile, on this side, you're going to remain Christians.

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Jesus is Lord.

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Come on, say it louder than that.

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Jesus is Lord.

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Now look at the passion they have.

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I think they've already waged this battle.

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And by the time we go through these different categories, you'll see,

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you'll probably want to move over to this side of the room.

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But you stay put, stay put.

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We'll bring you over later on.

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Now what I want to do is I want to understand the differences.

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I think the first thing we need to do is open up one scripture,

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actually two small verses.

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Because these two verses I think are the best verses to help

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understand really what's different between Christianity and Islam.

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And they're two verses that I remember reading many, many years ago.

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I was engaging with Muslims in London, and I would go down every

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Wednesday to Russell Square, which is just behind the university

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where I was studying at that time.

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And we would have on Wednesday afternoons, we would have a discussion

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on a different topic every week.

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And I would be one person against 30, sometimes 40 Muslims,

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which made me feel right at home.

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And I remember we were talking about the Qilafah,

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which is the Islamic State.

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And we were introducing this idea of the Qilafah over here.

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And I was trying to show the other side of it.

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And I was not making much headway.

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I did not feel at all adequate.

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I went home.

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I was frustrated.

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I got into the bathtub.

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When I get frustrated and I was watching the steam dissipate up into the ceiling,

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suddenly I realized, hold on a minute, I had just been reading Genesis 3.

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If you have your Bibles, get out Genesis 3.

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Because Genesis 3 is an interesting, well, the whole chapter is rather interesting.

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This is where everything went wrong.

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Am I correct?

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This is the fall of man.

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This is where Adam and Eve, they had sinned against God.

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I've had that chapter read to me for years.

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And of course, I've grown up with that chapter.

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And I've always assumed that that is why I do not eat fruit today.

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You asked my wife, I will not eat fruit because of that first fruit.

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I have an Apple computer.

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I cover up the back because I don't want anybody to see that bite that's been taken out of the apple

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because of that first fruit, because of that chapter.

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But there are two small verses in that chapter, verse 8 and 9.

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I'm going to read these two verses.

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I don't know how many of you remember these two verses, but let's read it right now.

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Verse 8 and verse 9.

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Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day.

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And they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

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But the Lord God called to the man, where are you?

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Now, you've all heard that before, right?

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That's nothing new for you Christians.

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You Muslims haven't heard it, obviously, because it's the first time you're ever hearing it.

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Just say yes to everything I say, okay?

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That's what Islam means.

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It means to be obedient.

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Muslim is someone who's obedient.

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Be obedient this morning, all right?

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Yes, you've not heard that before.

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But on this side, this is quite normal, isn't it?

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Have you ever heard a message?

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Has Nathan ever done a message on these two verses before?

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Have you, Nathan?

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Long time ago.

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Long time ago.

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Well, now from here on out, you'll probably use many times coming back to these two verses.

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Because these two verses, if you're working with Muslims,

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if you're working with Muslims, these two verses are probably the best verses to start with.

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Why?

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Because if you look at these two verses, this tells us who God is.

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It tells us who we are.

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It tells us what it once was like, what has gone wrong, and what needs to get rectified.

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Am I correct?

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Probably not.

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You don't hear it.

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In fact, probably Nathan is saying, Jay, you're ice-jitting the verse.

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You're putting too much into it.

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I may stand accused, Nathan, but hold on for the next 45 minutes.

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I want you to hold on and see if I'm not correct.

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When you look at these two verses, see, these two verses are great

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because for Muslims, these are the things they need to hear in your conversations with them.

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Was it Rick that was just up here?

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Rick?

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Where are you, Rick?

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He's gone.

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He's left.

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Way at the back.

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Come in the front.

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Why are you way back there?

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I want you to be my Muslim.

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I want you to sit right here.

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Okay, Rick?

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Because I'm going to talk to you just to show you how easy this is.

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Now, Rick, I'm going to call him, let's see, I'm going to call you Abdul, okay?

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You be Abdul today, all right?

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Abdul, are you hearing me?

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Allahu Akbar, Abdul.

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Come on, let's hear you say it.

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No, do it with a little more passion than that.

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Right at the front.

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Abdul, Allahu Akbar.

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Say it with real passion.

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Allahu Akbar.

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There you go.

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See, he's learning his craft.

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So I'm going to look to you specifically, and you're going to represent all the other Muslims here.

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You have the same story in your Koran, don't you?

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Just say yes.

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You've got it right here in the Koran, and it's in chapter, well, when you look at it,

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it's in three different places.

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It's in chapter two, it's in chapter seven, and it's in chapter 20.

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There you are.

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Okay, now you have that same story, and it's very similar to our story, isn't it?

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Except there are two salient differences.

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Right away you see, where is your Garden of Eden?

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Is it on earth, or is it up in space?

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It's up in space.

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He's just a brand new Muslim.

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He's only been a Muslim for about two minutes.

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So bear with him, all right?

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I'm going to have to train him up.

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But that's right.

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Just say yes, yes, yes.

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Now, Dr. Smith, you know what you're talking about.

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It's up in space.

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Okay, over here.

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What's your name?

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Eric.

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Okay, Eric, you're going to be my Christian, all right?

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Eric, where is your Garden of Eden?

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Is it up in space, or is it on earth?

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It's on earth.

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Bingo.

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Already you're talking about two different gardens.

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Are you seeing that right immediately?

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Yeah.

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This garden on this side is up in space.

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This garden on this side is down on earth.

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Obviously that means that yours should be closer to God, right?

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You would think so.

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But is Allah in your garden?

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Absolutely not.

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Does Allah ever come to your garden?

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Never.

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Can Allah come to your garden?

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No.

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Can Allah come to your earth?

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No.

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Can you start seeing there's some problems here, folks?

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I'm going to ask the same question over here of Eric.

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Eric, does God ever come to earth?

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Was he there in the garden?

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Yes.

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Didn't I just read that?

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Yes.

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Wasn't that God who's walking in the cradle of the day?

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Yes.

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Isn't that God who's calling out to Adam and Eve?

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Yes.

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If you're walking, Eric, do you have to have a pair of legs?

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Yes.

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Bingo.

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If you're yelling out, you better have a pair of lungs, right?

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Yes.

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All right, so you can see immediately that your God is a little bit different than this God.

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Does your God ever come to earth?

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No.

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Does your God have a pair of legs?

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Does he ever have human form?

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Absolutely not.

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In fact, you'd probably spit at me for saying that if I did that too close to you, because

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this is the meaning of your God, Allah.

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Your God is totally other.

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Am I correct to say yes?

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Your God is totally distant, has never come to earth.

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Where is your God?

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Right there in the very beginning.

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He's there on earth.

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Right there in the very beginning.

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He's walking and talking in the cool of the day.

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Right there in the very beginning, he's calling out to Adam and Eve.

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Why do you think he's calling, where are you, Eric?

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He already knew where Adam and Eve were.

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They were hiding, weren't they?

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So why is he calling out?

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Just try to think off the top of your head.

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What do you think the reason he's calling, where are you?

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He wants a response.

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He wants them to reveal themselves.

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That's just a relationship, right?

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So that means from the very beginning we were in relationship with God.

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At one point we were face to face with God.

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At one point we were talking.

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It says in the cool of the day.

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This assumes that it happened every day.

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Every day God was coming to earth, taking on human form, and had a

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relationship every day with Adam and Eve.

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Ooh, I love that.

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Do you have that today?

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Is he walking with you?

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No, he's not.

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I don't see him.

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Show me.

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Is he right here?

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Does he have a pair of legs?

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Does he have a body form?

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No, he doesn't today.

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He is not really walking and talking with us.

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Not physically like in the Garden of Eden.

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Something went wrong, right?

349
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We don't have that relationship face to face with him anymore.

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Something went wrong.

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That's why we need to continue with this story.

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Okay, over here on this side, so something went wrong.

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You know that something went wrong as well.

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It's right there in chapter 2, in chapter 7, in chapter 20.

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Adam and Eve disobeyed God.

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All right, immediately we're now showing that we're talking about

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two different stories, but we're also talking about two different gods.

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For those two people back there that believe that we have the same God,

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can you start to see we don't have the same God?

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Your God cannot enter time and space.

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Your God cannot walk and talk with me face to face.

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Your God has never done that.

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And if he has never done that, he never will.

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There is no such thing as a relationship with Allah.

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So, on this side, your God did that from the very beginning.

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But did your God also do that through history?

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Did God ever come down after that period?

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Yes, he did, didn't he?

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Was he not wrestling with Jacob?

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Yeah.

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Which means your God had to have a pair of arms as well.

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If you're wrestling, you better have a pair of arms, you better have a torso,

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and you better have a pair of legs.

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So, God does take on human form even after that time.

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But just human form?

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Was he not leading the children of Israel through the desert

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as a pillar of cloud during the day and a pillar of fire during the night?

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Which means he took on another form, right?

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What about in Exodus 3?

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Was he not there with Moses as a burning bush?

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That was God, right?

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Now I'm going to hang the Muslim over here.

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You've got the same story, don't you?

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You're starting to get nervous now.

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You Muslims, are you listening to this?

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You've got the very same story of the burning bush in chapter 20 and in chapter 27.

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Open up your Korans.

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Oh, that's right, you don't have Korans.

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You never have Korans.

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Every time I talk to you Muslims, you never have a Koran in your hand.

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How many of these over here, how many of you have Bibles?

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Let's see, hold up your Bibles or hold up your camera.

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There you have it, you have it on your phones.

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Look at all these Bibles here.

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Why is it all of you have Bibles with you?

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What's the reason?

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Because Nathan opens his Bible, does he not?

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Does he say yes? Please say yes.

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And he reads from it, does he not?

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Oh, Nathan, I put you on the hot seat on this one.

401
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I didn't ask his permission.

402
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Nathan opens his Bible when he's up here, and he better, why?

403
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Because you don't care dilly swat about what he thinks.

404
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,040
You don't care dilly swat about what he believes.

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You want to know what the Bible says, right?

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And Nathan's responsibility is to come here, open the Scriptures,

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and read them to you, and explain them to you, and apply it to your life.

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Am I correct?

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That's what we demand of all of our speakers,

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and that's why all of you have Bibles in your hands.

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And God bless you for all having Bibles in your hands.

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But here's the other thing.

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The Bible is written in Hebrew and Greek, but what language are you reading it in?

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English. English, why?

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Because we can understand it in English. Isn't that interesting?

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Okay, Muslims on this side, you don't have any Quran, do you?

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You never carry your Quran with you, because there's nothing,

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there's no reason to carry Quran with you,

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because for you to read the Quran, you have to read it in Arabic.

420
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How many of you speak Arabic?

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Because this is not called the Quran. Did you know that?

422
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This is not called the Quran.

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It is called the interpretation of the meaning of the Noble Quran.

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It's right there on the cover.

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Why not? You tell me all the time, you cannot translate from Arabic into English.

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Therefore, there is no Quran except in Arabic.

427
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And yet, how many of you speak Arabic?

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Only 15% of you all over the world speak Arabic.

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85% of you cannot even read this book in your own tongue.

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That's why you don't carry any Quran with you.

431
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But there's another reason.

432
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How many of you Muslims have opened up the Quran and tried to read it in English?

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I saw a few of you. Okay, sir, let's use you right there.

434
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You haven't done this? Shame on you.

435
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,040
Okay, Ahmad over here, he's better than you.

436
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,040
Ahmad, you've got a good beard, that means you're a good Muslim.

437
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I love that beard. My goodness.

438
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You know what it says in the traditions?

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He who has a beard the length of one hand is blessed by God.

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You are blessed by God. Twofold. You've got two legs there.

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Okay, Ahmad, real quickly.

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When you open the Quran and you read it in English, could you understand it?

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All of it?

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00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,040
Okay, but what you did read, could you understand what you did read?

445
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Ooh, well, you're rare.

446
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Were there any complete stories?

447
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Even the first one, was it complete? Absolutely not.

448
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In fact, is there even one complete story in your Quran?

449
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There is one. Chapter 12.

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The story of Joseph, that's it.

451
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Your entire Quran, it jumps all over the place, doesn't it?

452
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When you read it, Ahmad, it goes from this story, halfway story.

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It doesn't begin, it doesn't end.

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And then it jumps to this story, then it jumps to another story.

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And you're jumping all over the place. You're looking at the prophets here.

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Suddenly you're talking about Isa.

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You have no idea where to go. The stories don't begin, the stories don't end.

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And there's no chronology to read you through.

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And there's no transitional phrases to help you know what story or the other.

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It is Ulta Pulta, as we say in India,

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suggesting to me that it has been borrowed from many different sources.

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Ooh, tu-tu-tu-tu.

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And that's exactly what we're finding out about your Quran.

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Don't be smiling, don't say yes.

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You should be starting feeling nervous right now.

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Because we're going to destroy your Quran in just about another two or three minutes.

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Over here on this side, you Christians,

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when you read the Bible, can you read it all the way through?

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Does it make sense?

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Are there complete stories?

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Not you Muslims, you're not to answer.

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This is for the Christians only.

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You've not read the Bible. You don't know what we're talking about here.

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00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,040
You have no idea how great this book is.

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Folks, even without Nathan, can you still read it and understand it?

476
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Is there a chronology in the Bible?

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Do one story and follow another?

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Going from Genesis all the way to Revelation,

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can you see God's great Almighty plan all the way through?

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All that Nathan is doing is helping you apply it to your life, right?

481
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That's the beauty of this book.

482
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And can you read it just as good in English as you can in Greek and Hebrew?

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Absolutely.

484
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,040
Which, when you look and see how many places and how many...

485
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In fact, did you know there are over 2,500 translations of this book?

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So that 93% of the world's population can now read this book in their own mother tongue.

487
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Whereas how many translations do you have over here?

488
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,040
I don't even know.

489
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,040
I was hoping you'd tell me.

490
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,040
It's only about 50 that I'm aware of.

491
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,040
Why? Because you don't translate it.

492
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,040
It's not translatable. I just read here.

493
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,040
It is the interpretation. You can only try to interpret it.

494
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,040
Therefore, whenever we get into discussions about the Koran,

495
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,040
the first thing you always tell me is, you don't know your Arabic very well.

496
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,040
And I say, okay, well, here's the Arabic right here.

497
00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,040
By the way, make sure if you have a Koran, make sure it's in Arabic and English, okay?

498
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,040
Oh, not you people over here.

499
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,040
Make sure when you're talking to them, you get one that's Arabic and English.

500
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,040
But that's for you people too.

501
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,040
Get one that's both languages so you can do a comparison.

502
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,040
But here's the funny thing about your book.

503
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,040
When was this book written?

504
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,040
Who knows the answer to that?

505
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,040
Any Muslim here knows when this book was written?

506
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,040
Go ahead, Ahmed.

507
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,040
600 years after Christ.

508
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,040
Okay, so 652 to be more exact.

509
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,040
Good man, he knows his material.

510
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,040
Well done, Ahmed.

511
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,040
I may should have you sit down here at the front.

512
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,040
That's okay. Just stay right where you are.

513
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,040
So Ahmed, it was written in 652 by Uthman.

514
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,040
Uthman was the one that commissioned it,

515
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,040
and Zaydi Muttabid was the one that actually wrote it down.

516
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,040
652, that's seventh century, all right?

517
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:48,040
If that is the case, and this book was complete at that time, right?

518
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,040
That was revealed to a man named Muhammad, right?

519
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,040
Just say yes.

520
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,040
So from 610 to 632, revealed to this man, that 22-year period,

521
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,040
he never wrote it down, did he?

522
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,040
Oh, why didn't he write it down?

523
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,040
He was crazy.

524
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,040
Don't say that as a Muslim.

525
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,040
Please, don't say that.

526
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,040
Even Isaac Christian would not call Muhammad crazy.

527
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,040
He wasn't crazy, he just was a little inept.

528
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,040
Okay, let's just use that much.

529
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,040
So he was inept, he forgot to write it down.

530
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,040
He should have written it down while he was still in his mind, right?

531
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,040
So it took him 20 years to finally get it written down.

532
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:26,040
652, now you will tell me that since 652, that's 1400 years ago,

533
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,040
that this book has not changed, that every word, every letter is exactly the same

534
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:35,040
in this book that I have in my hand right now as what was revealed to Muhammad.

535
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,040
Just say yes.

536
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,040
You would agree with that, Abdul.

537
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,040
In fact, all you Muslims would agree with that.

538
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,040
Just all say yes.

539
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,040
All right.

540
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,040
Can you find an original manuscript that you can support that with?

541
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,040
Not one original manuscript.

542
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,040
You claim that you have an original one.

543
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,040
You claim that the Topkapi in Istanbul is original.

544
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,040
You say the Ma'il in New London is original.

545
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:02,040
You say that the Petropolitans in France is original or the Hussaini in Cairo

546
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:07,040
or the Sanaa manuscript in Yemen and especially the Samarkand there in Uzbekistan.

547
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,040
You say these are all original, right?

548
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,040
But did you notice that you have not no work on them and we're doing the work for you

549
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,040
and that not one of them is from the seventh century.

550
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,040
They only begin to appear in the eighth century until the ninth century

551
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,040
and not one of them is complete and not one of them agrees with each other.

552
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,040
Have you not heard this before?

553
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,040
This is your book.

554
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,040
Why haven't you done your own work on your own book?

555
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:36,040
We have to do the work for you because you believe that this book is eternal.

556
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,040
Am I correct?

557
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,040
This book has always existed.

558
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,040
It is uncreated.

559
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,040
Did you know that, Nathan?

560
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,040
It's the uncreated Quran.

561
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,040
Would we say that about the Bible?

562
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,040
Is our Bible eternal?

563
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,040
Of course not.

564
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,040
Was it written by men?

565
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,040
Absolutely.

566
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,040
Do we know who wrote it?

567
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,040
Yeah, we put the names of the men as the authors on the name of many of the books, don't we?

568
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,040
John wrote John, right?

569
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,040
Moses wrote the first five books.

570
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,040
Jeremiah wrote Jeremiah.

571
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,040
David wrote Zabur or we know him as the Psalm.

572
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,040
So we know the names of the men who wrote it.

573
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,040
We know when they were written.

574
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:15,040
We know that they are written over 1,500 years, over 30 authors in three different languages

575
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,040
on three different continents.

576
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:22,040
We make that admission from the very beginning and we know where they were written.

577
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,040
We know how they were written and we have manuscripts for them.

578
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,040
Don't we have manuscripts for them?

579
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,040
Yeah, we've got the Sinaiticus, we have the Alexandrinus, we have the Vaticanus,

580
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,040
the three major manuscripts that are from the fourth and fifth century.

581
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,040
What do you have, Muslims, from the seventh century?

582
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,040
It's in a cave buried.

583
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,040
Which cave and where is it buried?

584
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,040
Over there somewhere.

585
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,040
You have no idea.

586
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,040
Boy, you're getting weaker and weaker as we go on.

587
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,040
I ask him which cave and where it is and he has no idea.

588
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,040
That is typical of almost every Muslim I meet.

589
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,040
You're just making it up as you go.

590
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,040
Some OIC is out in the garden.

591
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,040
You're giving in more fantastical.

592
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,040
And this is typical of most Muslims.

593
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,040
You have no idea what you're talking about because there is no manuscript.

594
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,040
You make the claims but you never support what you make.

595
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,040
Did you know that?

596
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,040
So you need to shut these people down.

597
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,040
Just say, if you were saying the Koran has been 1400 years,

598
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,040
just say where is it?

599
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,040
Show me one example.

600
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,040
Give me one manuscript that is from the seventh century.

601
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,040
We could give you three from the fourth and fifth century.

602
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,040
That's two to three hundred years earlier.

603
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,040
We can give you 365 manuscripts by the sixth century.

604
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:39,040
We have 24,000 manuscripts, 10,000 Latin Vulgates, 8,600 Greek manuscripts,

605
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,040
and others in 11 different languages.

606
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,040
How can we have so many thousands of manuscripts

607
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:49,040
and you can only come up with six from the eighth, ninth, and tenth century?

608
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,040
And more manuscripts, many of them were written on papyrus, which disintegrates.

609
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:59,040
Your manuscripts were written on vellum, on parchment, which is animal skins.

610
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,040
And they're just as good today as the day they were written.

611
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,040
Yet you can only come up with six.

612
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,040
And not one of them is complete.

613
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,040
And they don't agree with this Koran, but it gets even worse than that.

614
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,040
Are you listening to this, Abdul and Abu Ahmed?

615
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,040
Where is this book that I have in my hand here?

616
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,040
When was this book put together?

617
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,040
This specific one?

618
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,040
Because this is called the Hafs-an-Asim Koran.

619
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,040
Hafs-an-Asim.

620
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,040
I know you've heard this before.

621
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,040
Don't tell me you've not heard this before.

622
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,040
This is all over.

623
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,040
You've been taught that this is the Hafs.

624
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,040
This is the standardized text.

625
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:37,040
Standardized when?

626
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,040
Hmm.

627
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,040
You would say standardized by Uthman in 652.

628
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,040
That's what you would tell me.

629
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,040
The man that wrote this book is named Hafs.

630
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,040
He died in 796.

631
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,040
That's quite a bit later than 652, right?

632
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,040
He lived in Kufa.

633
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,040
He didn't live in Mecca Medina.

634
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,040
He lived 144 years after Muhammad.

635
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,040
And this is your book that you now say is a standard book.

636
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,040
Well, I want to show you this one right here.

637
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,040
So this is the Hafs-an-Asim.

638
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,040
Here I have it in Arabic.

639
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,040
You can come up and read it.

640
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,040
You can see this is written by him.

641
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,040
What about this one right here?

642
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,040
Different color, different name.

643
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,040
His name is Warsh.

644
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,040
He died in 812.

645
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,040
He was from Cairo, which is in Egypt.

646
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:27,040
This man was in Kufa, which is today just south of Baghdad in Iraq.

647
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:32,040
Hundreds of miles north of Mecca Medina, two completely different Korans.

648
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,040
Both in Arabic.

649
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,040
These aren't translations.

650
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,040
These are original Korans.

651
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,040
This one is from 812.

652
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,040
This one is from 796.

653
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,040
Yet you both say they're exactly the same Koran, right?

654
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,040
No, they're not.

655
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:51,040
Over 5,000 different words between these two books.

656
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:57,040
That means 5,000 different sentences, which means 5,000 different meanings,

657
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,040
which means 5,000 different Korans.

658
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,040
Ooh, two, two, two, two, two.

659
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:08,040
Different doctrines, different practices, different theology.

660
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,040
Now these are just two.

661
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:18,040
We have now found 30 different Korans from five different cities.

662
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,040
Six, excuse me, six different cities.

663
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:28,040
Written in Cairo, also in Iraq, Kufa, in Basra,

664
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,040
Mecca Medina, and Damascus, Syria.

665
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,040
Can you see the problem, folks?

666
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,040
You've never heard this before, have you, Muslims?

667
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,040
We held them up in 2016 at Speakers Corner.

668
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,040
Hatun Tashu, who's my colleague, found 26 of them.

669
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,040
You could get these.

670
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,040
You can buy these online, folks.

671
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,040
These are still being printed today.

672
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,040
And when you look at the other 29 versus this one, which is the Hufs,

673
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,040
there are 93,000 different words.

674
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,040
93,000 different meanings.

675
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:03,040
93,000 different doctrines and theology, and yes, even practices.

676
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,040
And this is the first time you've ever heard it.

677
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,040
And yet you've been Muslims all your life.

678
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,040
Well, actually just for a few minutes.

679
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,040
But nonetheless, you understand my problem, your problem.

680
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,040
Well, what does this do to your Koran?

681
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,040
How can this be eternal if it has been manipulated and changed

682
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,040
and corrupted and recreated and deleted?

683
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,040
In fact, from the 8th century, because this first start being put together

684
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,040
in the 8th century, the earliest that this was put together was 736,

685
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,040
all the way up until the 10th century, 936.

686
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:38,040
Over 700 different Korans existed by the 10th century of your Koran.

687
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,040
We're now finding all of this out in just the last few years.

688
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,040
And one main name, Ibn Mujahid, had to choose seven out of the 700.

689
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,040
That still wasn't enough because this book wasn't in that category,

690
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,040
nor is this book in that category.

691
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,040
So another 14 had to be chosen in the 12th century in 1194.

692
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,040
That still wasn't good enough.

693
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,040
So they had to choose another nine in the 15th century in 1429.

694
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,040
That's 800 years after Muhammad.

695
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:08,040
And finally, they chose 30 different Korans for this eternal book

696
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,040
that has never, ever been touched by human hands.

697
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:17,040
It's been manipulated hundreds and hundreds of years after the fact.

698
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,040
800 years to be fair.

699
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,040
It became such a problem that in 1924 in Cairo,

700
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,040
when they were having standardized tests for students in high school level,

701
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,040
they were getting so many different answers that they had to realize

702
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,040
they had to do something.

703
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,040
So they went to a man in Al-Hazar University named Muhammad Ibn al-Hazani al-Haddad,

704
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,040
and they asked him, could you just choose one?

705
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,040
And he chose this one, which is the Hafs al-Asam.

706
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,040
He chose this one in 1924.

707
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,040
Folks, that's 99 years ago this book was chosen as just the canonized text for Cairo,

708
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,040
just one city.

709
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,040
But that became so successful that they took the other 29 Korans

710
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,040
and they threw them into the Nile River,

711
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,040
hoping that by drowning them that would get rid of them.

712
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,040
Now, of course, it did not get rid of them because that was just for Cairo.

713
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:02,040
By 1936, they made this book the official text for all of Egypt.

714
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,040
That became so successful that the Saudi Arabian government in 1985

715
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,040
decided to make this book the official text for the entire world.

716
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,040
How many people were living in 1985?

717
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,040
Raise your hands.

718
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,040
Every one of you that's raised your hand, you are older than this Koran.

719
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,040
How old does that make you feel?

720
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,040
Are you beginning to see that the Muslims have a problem, don't they?

721
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,040
Do we have this problem with the Bible?

722
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,040
Absolutely not.

723
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,040
Thank God we know who wrote this book.

724
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,040
Thank God we don't make that claim.

725
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,040
Thank God we know exactly when it was written.

726
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,040
Thank God we have tens of thousands, did I say tens of thousands,

727
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,040
of manuscripts that we can look at, and we know where exactly,

728
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,040
if there are any differences, we know exactly where they are,

729
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,040
and every difference that we can find does not change one doctrine whatsoever.

730
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,040
Did you hear that?

731
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:53,040
None of the changes that we have found, these are copyist errors, change one doctrine.

732
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,040
Look at the tens of thousands that are changing their doctrines.

733
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,040
Now, can you see a difficulty immediately?

734
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,040
We're talking about two different gods.

735
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,040
We're also talking about two different scriptures.

736
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,040
I said that your God cannot enter time and space, right?

737
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,040
I said that at the very beginning.

738
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,040
You heard me say that, right?

739
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,040
I want to go back to your Koran, this Koran that's very inadequate,

740
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,040
this Koran here, and I want to go back to chapter 20, Abdul,

741
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,040
because in chapter 20, I know you've read it, it's the story,

742
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,040
the very same story that we have over here about the burning bush.

743
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,040
And there you see Moses in your story, and he sees a fire in the distance,

744
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:31,040
and he wants to bring the fire back so that he can heat his fire, his own tent.

745
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,040
He gets close to the fire, and he sees that it's a bush that is burning.

746
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,040
Very much similar to our story, isn't it, Eric?

747
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,040
But in your story, a voice comes within the fire, and it says to Moses,

748
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:48,040
Mois, Mois, take off your shoes, for you are on holy ground.

749
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,040
Now, let me ask you, Abdul, if it's holy ground, does that mean God's there?

750
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,040
It would have to be, right?

751
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,040
Can there be holy ground without God?

752
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,040
No, by definition.

753
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,040
By definition, if it's holy ground, God has to be there, right?

754
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,040
Is that God in that bush?

755
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,040
Is Allah in that bush?

756
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,040
Now, you say, no, no, no, no, no.

757
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,040
Why don't you read verse 14?

758
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,040
Chapter 20, I just read verse 10.

759
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,040
Go to verse 14.

760
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:21,040
And the voice within the bush says to Moses, for truly this is Allah who is speaking to you.

761
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,040
Can anybody take on the name of Allah, except Allah himself?

762
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,040
So, is Allah in that bush?

763
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,040
Ooh, you've got a problem here, aren't you?

764
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,040
How are you going to answer that?

765
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,040
If you say, no, that's not Allah in that bush,

766
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,040
why don't you tear that out of the Quran?

767
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,040
What happens to you when you tear things out of the Quran?

768
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,040
You don't live very long, do you?

769
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,040
So, you can't tear it out of the Quran.

770
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,040
You've got to deal with it.

771
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,040
You've got to answer this question, Abdul.

772
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,040
Obviously, that has to be Allah in that bush, right?

773
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:53,040
So, if Allah is in that bush there in 1400 B.C., because Moses is on the earth,

774
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,040
if Allah is in that bush, then why in the world do you have such a problem with God coming

775
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,040
2,000 years ago, taking on human form and dying on the cross?

776
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,040
You're starting to hurt.

777
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,040
You don't want to hear it.

778
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,040
You don't want to hear it.

779
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,040
Can you see how difficult this is for Muslims?

780
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:14,040
Even their Quran shows them that Allah can come to earth.

781
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,040
But who is it that has to come to earth?

782
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,040
It can't be just anybody.

783
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,040
Because we know that Genesis chapter 3, Eric, as I've just read,

784
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,040
look at verse 15, you've got a problem here.

785
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,040
Adam and Eve are hiding from God.

786
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,040
They don't want to see God.

787
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,040
God's telling them to come out, and then what does he do?

788
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,040
He turns to Eve.

789
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,040
You're going to be my Eve, all right?

790
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,040
He says to Eve, from your line, now hold on a minute,

791
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,040
that means it has to be from a woman's line.

792
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,040
Why?

793
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,040
Because Eve's the first to sin.

794
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,040
But salvation is going to come through a woman.

795
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,040
From Eve's line, he turns to her, and he says to Eve, someone's going to come,

796
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,040
he, that means it's going to be a male, is going to come and crush the head of Satan.

797
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,040
What does that do?

798
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,040
You crush someone's head, you kill it, you destroy it, right?

799
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,040
But Satan's going to bruise his heel, his heel.

800
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,040
So Eve, someone's going to come from your line.

801
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,040
Who is that someone?

802
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,040
Well, that's the beauty of the Bible.

803
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,040
See, the Bible goes and tells us who that person is, and over and over again,

804
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,040
am I not correct?

805
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,040
It says that this is going to be the Son of God.

806
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,040
He's going to be called the Messiah.

807
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,040
He's going to be called the Son of Man.

808
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,040
All these different titles, we need to look.

809
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,040
Now remember, not a son of man, you're a son of man, you're a daughter of man,

810
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,040
but only the Son of Man is who we're looking for.

811
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,040
The Messiah, not a Messiah, there were many Messiahs, but the Messiah,

812
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,040
definite article, is who we need to look for.

813
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:28,040
The Son of God, the Son of Man, the Messiah.

814
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,040
And then we get to Isaiah.

815
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,040
Remember Isaiah?

816
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,040
Isaiah makes it more specific.

817
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,040
He said, this will be a sign.

818
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,040
Are you Muslims listening?

819
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,040
This is for you as well.

820
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,040
This will be a sign.

821
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,040
A virgin, not just any woman, a virgin will conceive.

822
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,040
Now hold on, folks.

823
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,040
Virgins do not conceive in my world.

824
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,040
Do they in your world?

825
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,040
If a virgin is conceiving, she's no longer a virgin, am I correct?

826
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,040
So this means there has to be a miracle going on here.

827
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,040
This is something that's supernatural.

828
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,040
This is something above nature.

829
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,040
A virgin will conceive.

830
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:05,040
Okay, Muslims, has there ever been a virgin that's conceived in your Koran?

831
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,040
There is.

832
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,040
Chapter 19, verse 20, right?

833
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,040
Chapter 19, Abdul, Ahmed, are you listening?

834
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,040
Chapter 19, verse 20, a virgin, who is her name?

835
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,040
What's her name?

836
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,040
Miriam.

837
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,040
And who is it that she conceived?

838
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,040
Issa, am I correct?

839
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,040
Just say yes.

840
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,040
Remember, you're obedient, you're submissive.

841
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,040
It is Issa who she conceived as a virgin.

842
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,040
It's in your Koran.

843
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,040
Ooh, I love that.

844
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,040
Use that as a bridge.

845
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,040
Are you listening to this?

846
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,040
So a virgin will conceive.

847
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,040
She's in the line of Eve.

848
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,040
And she will have a son, he.

849
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,040
It's going to be a son.

850
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,040
And what's his name going to be?

851
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,040
He shall be called Emmanuel, God with us.

852
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Are you listening to that, Muslims?

853
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,040
When Miriam conceives Issa, God is with us.

854
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,040
That is God who she conceives.

855
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,040
Ooh, I love that.

856
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,040
Ooh, but wait a minute.

857
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,040
You still have some problems because the Jews had problems with this guy that was called

858
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,040
Yeshua.

859
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,040
Matthew chapter 26.

860
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,040
Remember in Matthew chapter 26, Caiaphas is there and he is there.

861
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,040
He is trialing.

862
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,040
There is Jesus in the trial with Caiaphas.

863
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,040
And he's there in front of the Sanhedrin.

864
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,040
And there in Matthew chapter 26, Caiaphas asks him two questions.

865
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,040
Remember this, Nathan?

866
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,040
He says, are you the Messiah?

867
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,040
There is the definite article.

868
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,040
Are you the Son of God?

869
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,040
There is a definite article.

870
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,040
Not A, you are, he's asking specifically because as a Jew, he knows that they're waiting for

871
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,040
the Messiah.

872
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,040
They're waiting for the Son of God.

873
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,040
Who is the Son of God?

874
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,040
The Son of God.

875
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,040
That means he is from God himself.

876
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,040
That means he represents everything that God represents.

877
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,040
And that means he represents his divinity.

878
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,040
The Messiah.

879
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,040
What is the function?

880
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,040
Well, every Jew knows that the function for the Messiah is the anointed one.

881
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,040
Anointed to what?

882
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,040
Anointed to save.

883
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,040
Who can save but God?

884
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,040
Only God can save.

885
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,040
He asked that of Jesus there in the Garden of Eden.

886
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,040
Sorry, not the Garden of Eden.

887
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,040
Boy, I've got that really confused.

888
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,040
Thank God I'm not God.

889
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,040
He would not make that mistake.

890
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,040
There in the Sanhedrin.

891
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,040
And what did Jesus say?

892
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,040
It is as you say.

893
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,040
He accepted both those titles.

894
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,040
But then he did an interesting thing.

895
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,040
He didn't stop there.

896
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,040
Now, you Muslims, you're always attacking the Son of God.

897
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,040
You're always attacking the Messiah.

898
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,040
But you know that in your Koran, Issa, his title, is the Messiah.

899
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,040
Am I correct?

900
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,040
Al-Masihuh.

901
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,040
He is the Messiah.

902
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,040
Eleven times.

903
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,040
In fact, only he is given that title.

904
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,040
So you know he has to be the Messiah that the Jews are looking for.

905
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:39,040
But more than that, you always love to come and hang Marie because you always say that the most popular title that he uses, that Jesus uses, is the Son of Man.

906
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,040
Over and over again, 25 times he uses the Son of Man.

907
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,040
Proving Dr. Smith that he's nothing more than a man.

908
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,040
Boy, are you wrong.

909
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:57,040
Ask any question because if you have any question about who the Son of Man is, you're told in chapter 10 verse 94, you're told in chapter 21 verse 7, if you have any questions, come across the aisle and ask these people on this side.

910
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,040
And Eric will tell you who the Son of Man is because it's right there in Daniel chapter 7 verse 14.

911
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,040
Did you notice I said Isaiah 7, 14?

912
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,040
Seven is the holy number.

913
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,040
Tumblil double seven is 14.

914
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,040
Notice I'm now using Daniel chapter 7 verse 14.

915
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,040
I'm making it as easy as I can for you Christians.

916
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,040
Seven is the holy number.

917
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,040
Double that is 14.

918
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,040
And what does it say there about the Son of Man?

919
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,040
It defines who the Son of Man is.

920
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,040
For he shall be from everlasting to everlasting.

921
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:28,040
Abdul, can anybody but God be from everlasting to everlasting?

922
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,040
Only God can, right?

923
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,040
So you're starting to come through.

924
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,040
You're starting to move over this way.

925
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,040
I can see that.

926
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,040
He shall have dominion over all tribes, nation, peoples, and tongues.

927
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,040
But only God can do that, have nation, have authority over all tribes, nations, and people.

928
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,040
You agree with that, don't you?

929
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,040
You're starting to come this direction as well.

930
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,040
You're noticing that?

931
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:50,040
Can you see folks, when Jesus defined the Son of Man, he was defining and basically he was saying,

932
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,040
I am God.

933
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,040
And there in the Sanhedrin he was saying, I am God three times.

934
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,040
I am God.

935
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,040
I am God.

936
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,040
I am God.

937
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,040
What did Caiaphas do?

938
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,040
He tore his robe, turned towards the Sanhedrin, and said,

939
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,040
what for the proof do we need this man as blasphemed?

940
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,040
Because he was taking three divine names.

941
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,040
But that's still not the best one.

942
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,040
That's still not the greatest one.

943
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,040
There is a name for God that you Muslims have no idea about.

944
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,040
See, you call God Allah.

945
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,040
The God, that's all it means.

946
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,040
It's generic.

947
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,040
In fact, it's not a name.

948
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,040
It's a title.

949
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,040
The God.

950
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,040
But what's his name?

951
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,040
Abdul, what's his name?

952
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,040
Ahmed, what's his name?

953
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,040
See, I'm the man, right?

954
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,040
There's the woman, but that's not our name.

955
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,040
We have names, don't we?

956
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,040
Which man?

957
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,040
There's all kinds of men here.

958
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,040
There's all kinds of women here.

959
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,040
I want to know what my name is.

960
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,040
And see, Moses wanted to know what God's name was.

961
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,040
Am I correct in Exodus 3?

962
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,040
God was sending him down to Egypt.

963
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,040
He didn't want to go down to Egypt.

964
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,040
He tried five different ways to get out of going down to Egypt.

965
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,040
And finally he turns to God and he says, what is your name?

966
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,040
He wanted to know what God's name is.

967
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:08,040
So I want to ask you Muslims again, what is that name that he told Moses?

968
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,040
He didn't speak English back then, I'm afraid.

969
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,040
I don't even think English existed back then.

970
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,040
So it's not I am.

971
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,040
What is it in Hebrew?

972
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,040
Yahweh.

973
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,040
Yahweh.

974
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,040
Just four letters.

975
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,040
Yah-ha-wah-ha.

976
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,040
It could be Yeshua.

977
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,040
It could be Yehovah.

978
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,040
You're right.

979
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,040
But most scholars believe it is Yahweh.

980
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,040
You have to put the vowels where you want.

981
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,040
Yahweh.

982
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,040
And then what did God say then to Moses when he gave him his name?

983
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,040
This shall be my name from generation to generation.

984
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,040
For this shall be my name forever.

985
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,040
Which means it's still God's name today, am I correct?

986
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,040
Still God's name today.

987
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,040
So if you believe Muhammad is your greatest and final prophet,

988
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,040
if you believe he is the one that supersedes all the other prophets,

989
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,040
why didn't he know that name?

990
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,040
He didn't know that name, did he?

991
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,040
You won't find that name anywhere in the Koran at all.

992
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,040
That name does not exist in the Koran.

993
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,040
It does not exist in the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad.

994
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,040
It does not exist in his Shira, that, his biography.

995
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,040
You won't find in any of the traditions that name.

996
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,040
That name, yet, you will find right through this book.

997
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:16,040
Remember, in this book you have really three major names for God.

998
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,040
You have Adonai, which is the descriptive name for God,

999
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,040
and that's found about 300 times in the Bible.

1000
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,040
Not that important.

1001
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,040
You have Elohim, which is the closest you can get to what you're talking about,

1002
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,040
because that's the generic title.

1003
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,040
The gods.

1004
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,040
But it's interesting, Nathan, isn't this correct?

1005
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,040
It's not singular, that'd be Eloi.

1006
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,040
It's not dual, that'd be Eloha.

1007
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,040
It's Elohim, which means three or more.

1008
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,040
Am I correct?

1009
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,040
So this is a plural name for God, and it's the one that you see right there in the very first verse,

1010
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,040
but that still wasn't good enough for Moses.

1011
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,040
That still wasn't good enough for God in Exodus 3.

1012
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,040
He wanted him to find, he wanted him the personal name for God.

1013
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,040
Elohim is found about a little over 2,400 times.

1014
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,040
A lot more than Adonai, but still not great.

1015
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,040
Yahweh, if you look at Yahweh in the Bible,

1016
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,040
does anybody know how many times that's found in the Old Testament?

1017
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,040
No?

1018
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,040
6,823 times.

1019
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,040
6,000 times, you'll see that.

1020
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,040
So the question, Eric, is this.

1021
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,040
Jesus knew that name, didn't He?

1022
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,040
Did Jesus ever use that name?

1023
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,040
Anybody know?

1024
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,040
Where did He use that?

1025
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,040
John chapter 8.

1026
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,040
He's there in the temple, right?

1027
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,040
So He's speaking Hebrew, not English.

1028
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,040
He's speaking Hebrew.

1029
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,040
He's being confronted.

1030
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,040
He's talking about Abraham as if He knew him, and if Jews turned to Him and said,

1031
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,040
how do you know Abraham?

1032
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,040
You're not even 50 years old.

1033
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,040
And what did He say?

1034
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,040
Before Abraham was, I am Yahweh.

1035
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,040
He used that name.

1036
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,040
He was applying it to Himself.

1037
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,040
He took on that name, and the Jews picked up stones to stone.

1038
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,040
What a God way of God.

1039
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,040
Our God enters time and space.

1040
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,040
Your God doesn't.

1041
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,040
Our God is able to relate to us face to face.

1042
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,040
Your God cannot.

1043
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:06,040
Our God always related us face to face because He came over and over and over again.

1044
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:11,040
We call these theophanies all the way through the Old Testament, and finally He came 2,000 years ago,

1045
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,040
entered time and space, spent 33 years on earth, and our God dies for us.

1046
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,040
What has your God done for you?

1047
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,040
Not a thing.

1048
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,040
Your God can't even talk to you.

1049
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,040
When you pray to God five times a day, it's one way direction, right?

1050
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,040
God never answers to your prayers because you are an abdullah.

1051
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,040
Abdullah means slaves.

1052
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,040
Abdallah, slave of God.

1053
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,040
You are slaves of God, but we are children of God.

1054
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,040
Slaves of God do not talk to their God except one way.

1055
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,040
They only capitulate to God.

1056
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,040
That's why your prayers are exactly the same five times a day in the morning,

1057
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,040
in the afternoon, and three times in the evening.

1058
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,040
The exact same prayer every day because that's what slaves do.

1059
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,040
You are obedient.

1060
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,040
You are submissive.

1061
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,040
That's what you do.

1062
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,040
You obey all these rules and regulations.

1063
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,040
That's what you do as slaves, but we are children of God,

1064
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,040
which means we can actually talk to God and God responds to us.

1065
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,040
Every time you pray, God responds to you.

1066
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,040
We are children of God.

1067
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,040
We can even argue with God.

1068
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,040
We can criticize God, and yes, we can even reject God.

1069
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,040
Can you reject Allah?

1070
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,040
On pain of death.

1071
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,040
Chapter 4, verse 89 in your Qur'an says,

1072
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:20,040
He who leaves Islam and becomes an apostate must be put to death.

1073
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,040
Oh, I love the Prodigal Son story.

1074
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,040
Isn't it a great story?

1075
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,040
The son rejects his father, right?

1076
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,040
Goes off into a faraway land.

1077
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,040
What does the father do?

1078
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,040
The father is God.

1079
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,040
The sons are us.

1080
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,040
We are the sons.

1081
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,040
We reject God.

1082
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,040
What does the father do?

1083
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,040
Does he reject the son?

1084
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,040
No, he stays at the door looking in the distance,

1085
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,040
waiting day after day, waiting for the son to come home.

1086
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,040
And when he sees the son in the distance, he runs out,

1087
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,040
he hugs the son, and he has a banquet.

1088
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,040
That's my daddy.

1089
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,040
Yes, that's my daddy.

1090
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,040
Appa, that means daddy.

1091
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,040
That's the kind of God we have.

1092
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,040
You want that kind of God?

1093
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,040
You want to come over this side?

1094
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,040
Should we bring him back home again?

1095
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,040
I want every one of you to say, Jesus is Lord.

1096
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,040
Come on with real passion.

1097
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,040
Jesus is Lord.

1098
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,040
Everybody say, Jesus is Lord.

1099
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,040
What a God we have.

1100
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,040
We do not share your God.

1101
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,040
We do not share your prophetic line.

1102
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,040
We do not share your revelation.

1103
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,040
You notice my Bible is always bigger than my Koran

1104
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,040
for a very good reason.

1105
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,040
It's the bigger the better book.

1106
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,040
This one is absolutely hopeless.

1107
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,040
You can't even find the originals, and it's being

1108
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,040
recycled all over the world in 30 different copies.

1109
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,040
Can you see?

1110
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,040
We thank God that he has given us his word,

1111
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,040
because we can understand it.

1112
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,040
We can read it in any language.

1113
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,040
Nathan can apply it and put it to your lives.

1114
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,040
But this is why we carry this everywhere we go.

1115
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,040
We need to get into these discussions.

1116
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,040
Abdul, you need to start using your Bible.

1117
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,040
You need to start helping Muslims.

1118
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,040
You need to bring them back home again,

1119
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,040
because that's everything we're doing.

1120
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,040
We are bringing them home.

1121
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,040
We're bringing them back from Allah back to Yahweh.

1122
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,040
We're taking them away from Isa back to Yeshua.

1123
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,040
We're taking them away from the Koran

1124
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,040
and bringing them back to the New Testament,

1125
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,040
back to the Bible.

1126
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,040
Folks, can you see in every category,

1127
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,040
we have it better, because our God is a relational God.

1128
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,040
Our God enters time and space.

1129
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,040
When you get to heaven, when you get to paradise,

1130
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,040
what's waiting for you Muslims?

1131
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,040
Women are waiting for you.

1132
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,040
It's a carnal heaven. What about you women?

1133
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,040
What's waiting for you women there?

1134
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,040
Not a thing. When we get to heaven,

1135
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,040
do you want women, guys? Is that what you're interested in?

1136
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,040
Wine, women, and song? You can go to Las Vegas and get it there.

1137
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,040
You want wine, women, and song? Then leave.

1138
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,040
But what's waiting for all of us,

1139
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,040
men and women in heaven,

1140
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,040
not wine, women, and song?

1141
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Jesus.

1142
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,040
Jesus is waiting for us.

1143
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,040
And that Jesus is walking and talking to

1144
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,040
with us for eternity.

1145
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,040
I want a God that walks with me.

1146
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,040
I want a God that talks with me.

1147
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,040
I want a God that sacrifices himself for me.

1148
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,040
I want a God that comes and humbles himself,

1149
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,040
dies on the cross, and rises again,

1150
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,040
and because of that, death was destroyed.

1151
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,040
That's my God.

1152
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,040
What a God.

1153
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,040
That's the God all the Muslims need to hear.

1154
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,040
Everybody needs to hear.

1155
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,040
Let's pray.

1156
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,040
Our heavenly Father, what a God you are.

1157
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,040
You're a God who came our direction.

1158
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,040
From the very beginning, you've been coming our direction.

1159
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,040
And right through history, you continue to come

1160
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,040
over and over again.

1161
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,040
You did not leave us alone.

1162
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,040
You did not forget us.

1163
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,040
You are a God that loves us.

1164
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,040
And as a loving Father will do with his child,

1165
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,040
in every case, you stand at the door

1166
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,040
and you're waiting for us to return home.

1167
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,040
And Lord, we do want to come home.

1168
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,040
But we want to bring as many Muslims,

1169
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,040
we want to bring as many atheists and humanists,

1170
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,040
many others that still don't know you,

1171
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,040
back to know who you are.

1172
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,040
Because then we will be in relationship as Adam and Eve

1173
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,040
were in the very beginning, they're in Genesis 3.

1174
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,040
We want to have that, but even better,

1175
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,040
because we know we're going to be with you

1176
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,040
in eternity.

1177
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,040
We want a little bit of our stake on our plate

1178
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,040
as we wait, but I can't wait for the pie

1179
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,040
in the sky when I die.

1180
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,040
That's when we're really with you.

1181
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,040
And Lord, we want you to help us

1182
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,040
to be able to get this message about who you are

1183
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,040
to as many people as possible

1184
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,040
in every conversation we have.

1185
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,040
In Christ's name we pray, Amen.

1186
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,040
Amen.

1187
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,040
Applause

1188
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,040
Alright everybody, that was a lot of information,

1189
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,040
but valuable information.

1190
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,040
If you weren't taking notes fast enough,

1191
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,040
we're going to have the video on our YouTube page.

1192
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,040
I encourage you to go back and listen again,

1193
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,040
because we are called to be lights

1194
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,040
of the Gospel in this world.

1195
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,040
Not just to Muslims,

1196
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,040
but yes to Muslims as well.

1197
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,040
And we have the hope of Jesus Christ.

1198
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,040
We have the word of God,

1199
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,040
which is true.

1200
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,040
And we have the Holy Spirit in us,

1201
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,040
guiding us and directing us.

1202
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,040
And so equip yourself.

1203
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,040
The whole reason we've started, you know,

1204
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,040
getting excited about Gospel tracks

1205
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,040
and trying to equip you guys and resource you guys

1206
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,040
is so that we can go out into the world

1207
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,040
and rescue those who are lost.

1208
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,040
And we have people in our lives

1209
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,040
every moment that don't know Jesus Christ.

1210
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,040
And I'm sure many of us,

1211
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,040
and I would venture to say every single one of us,

1212
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,040
have coworkers,

1213
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,040
friends, people in our lives

1214
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,040
who believe Islam is true.

1215
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,040
And we have an opportunity

1216
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,040
to share the hope of Jesus Christ with them.

1217
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,040
I pray today blessed you.

1218
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,040
I pray today encouraged you,

1219
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,040
equipped you, educated you.

1220
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,040
And I pray that you have the tools necessary today

1221
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,040
to go from here

1222
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,040
ready to share in love,

1223
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,040
in kindness, in compassion,

1224
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,040
but with confidence and boldness

1225
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,040
in the truth of Jesus Christ. Amen?

1226
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:53,040
God bless you guys.