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to the Business Abundance Podcast. I'm Reem.
I'm Rowan. I'm Ian. Today, we're going to talk
about what it means to experience imposter syndrome
and some tips on how to tackle it. Oh, what is
imposter syndrome? What is imposter syndrome?
I'm feeling a massive deja vu here. It's almost
like I don't belong on the podcast. I feel like
I'm a fraud or something. And that's exactly
what imposter syndrome is. It's doubting your
abilities and feeling like a fraud. Well, that's
lucky. You've got someone who already feels like
a fraud. We could talk for days. Let's just unpack
that. I don't know what the issue is today, but
I thought I'd just stay quiet for a little bit.
I just didn't think like I had the right equipment
to comment on this matter. Oh, OK. You've never
felt like a fraud? Like you don't belong? Like
you're overachieving in a world where everyone
else seems to be better than you? That's a pretty
good definition right there. Some good information.
I'll do what I can. Yeah, it's pretty common.
It is. Apparently it's common among high -performing
individuals. Oh, I think I inadvertently called
myself a high -performing individual. Lisa will
never believe that. Lisa, if you're listening,
please give Ian some more good feedback at home.
Can you have imposter syndrome in a marriage?
Yes. Oh, she can. He probably can. You can have
imposter syndrome in relationships and in business.
Yeah, right. Well, fear of not being good enough.
Exactly. Cool. Yeah. There's a TV show on Netflix.
It's super popular. It's called Never Have I
Ever. OK. And it's based around a girl named
Davey. She's American Indian. And she... …is,
like, super, super smart. But, like, she's part
of, like, the stereotypical nerdy kind of crowd.
So she's… She's not cool, you know? Or she's
cool in the stereotypical nerdy crowd. Yeah.
But, like, the whole school thinks of her as,
you know, like, nerdy Davey. Okay. And she has
this major crush on the most popular guy in the
school. Oh, it doesn't sound like that's played
out in the past before. And she eventually starts
dating him and she like self -sabotages and ruins
it because she just thinks that she's not good
enough for him. So yeah, you can have it in relationships
too. Especially high performing data. Yes, it
doesn't always apply. Oh, there you go. Anyway,
it's a pretty interesting topic. I think Rick
said, oh, we need to talk about this on the podcast.
And I was like, yeah, is it a whole podcast?
And I thought about it. I thought that's very
common. A lot of people that do things. It sounds
like that character felt like they were above
their station. in life. Sometimes, I guess, we
can be in situations where we feel like we're
not quite ready to be there. Does that make sense?
Yeah. Yeah, and also you can feel like, oh, gee,
is what I'm doing actually that good? Because
you're so used to doing it. You know, you've
probably had some really fantastic ones and then
when you do something good, you don't even think
it's good. Or you're trying to start something
new and you don't know if you're good enough
to be doing the new thing. Yeah. Like, you get
a new promotion at work or something like that,
you take on a new management role that you haven't
done before and you're like, hang on, I don't
actually know what I'm doing. Why am I here?
Why did I get chosen to do this? Yeah. Have you
ever experienced imposter syndrome, Rowan? Me?
Well, I think everyone's experienced it. Like,
we just gave heaps of different examples there
of places and ways you could experience it. But...
Yeah, should I be here? Should I be doing this?
Like you can do on the sports field, you can
be at school, you can be with friends or like
you're saying that with a partner and things
like that. And like, oh, geez, yeah, I'm not
good enough to be in this situation. Or sometimes,
you know, you're good enough to be there. And
it's probably what's really relevant to what
I do or consult about some pretty complex topics
and some pretty important things for a lot of
people. Sometimes things are affecting hundreds
of people and pretty important. And you go, gee,
what was I thinking about last night? I was watching
Netflix and watching below deck some absolute
trash TV. And here I am trying to work out this
complex thing. And man, why would you be listening
to me? What's below deck? Oh, it's a TV show
just about, you know, crew and super yachts.
It's just trashy enough. I thought it was about
Pagolas. What's a super yacht? Super yacht. I
don't know what a super yacht is. It's a boat.
It's a big boat. But you don't call it a boat
because it's your yacht. Oh yeah, it's a ship.
Could be a ship, yeah. But basically they're
going to be at least 100 feet long. If we don't
know about feet, that's probably over 30 meters.
And you have a whole crew of engineers and captain
and mates and stewards. They call them stews.
Then the guests come on for a night or two and
pay 30, 40, 50 grand, 100 grand. And then they
pay tips on top of it. and you just get the drama
of the crew and you get the interesting what's
who's coming on next and what are they going
to do and just trashy enough to but not too trashy
that it's I can't watch it it's light -hearted
enough that I don't have to pay attention. So
it's like rich people Jersey Shore? No no that's
way too trashy for me but yeah it's just you
know it's nice to just look at something that's
not very complicated every now and then. Sounds
like the kind of situation where if you walked
on that boat you might get imposter syndrome.
Should I be on this boat? I don't think any of
those people have that issue. No, I definitely
think they should be on the boat. Yeah. Anyway,
it's probably not the best topic of conversation,
my evening habits. But yeah, going back to the
story is that, yeah, you can sometimes be doing
things and you're saying to have I ever felt
it and you're talking about this and you're talking
about that and going, you know, working this
out and you think, oh man, should I even be working
this out? What was I doing yesterday? I'm just
a normal person. Like I was going on a cricket
train, doing this and then now I'm doing this.
but you sort of get used to what you do and what
level you're at and you think that's normal and
you forget that that's not normal. So yeah, definitely
as a professional you have it all the time and
something you need to be well aware of so you
know straight away, you sort of think about that
and you go, that's this. Yep, no, we're good
now. That's actually why I started wearing the
propeller hat. You're on? Yeah. Got asked to
do a panel thing in front of a crowd of people
and it was on marketing and advertising. I thought,
oh well, how are we going to be memorable? Let's
chuck the propeller hat on and people are going
to remember who I was at the very least. It was
almost like your mask, your costume. So you're
up on stage and you've got some pretty big wigs
out in the crowd and they're asking questions
of this panel of people that are way more qualified
than I am. And I've just got an alternative view.
But you're on the panel, so you're just as qualified
a bit there, is that right? Well, that's exactly
right. And I've just found that now whenever
I have to speak in front of a crowd, out comes
the propeller hat. Which shields up. Yeah, you
just think it's like persona shows on yeah, yeah
a lot of actors feel that way too No, not quite
should trademark it. Damn it. Have you seen dr.
Who? Yes. Good. So, you know who David Tennant
is? Oh, yeah, I haven't seen much of the new
stuff I did see a little bit of David Tennant
stuff. That's me. It's good. Hurry. Ask me if
I knew if I'm a doctor I know this person before
you arrived. I said you just need a way for you
to get here Tom Baker It's old. Ouch. Ouch. Really,
the thing is, take that. Old men. Is he the one
with the scarf? Yes. Yeah. Curly hair. Yeah,
so going back to the bell hat, so you're saying,
like, it's a post -syndrome thing. I guess it
was part of... Sort of, yeah. ...part of, like,
a mask. So there's something... Here's my persona.
Yeah, here's my persona. It's not me. I can walk
with you guys. Yeah, and eventually, I mean,
it's a two -hour long thing. So eventually you
believe it yourself. Yeah, so you were thinking
I'm supposed to be here So you're going into
the like to fake it till you make it attitude
even though you didn't need to fake it because
yeah You obviously were there for a reason and
you're asking you know what you're talking about.
So you're fine Yeah, I had all the skills I needed.
Yeah, I need someone on my head. So people go
gee Who's this guy with a proud he must be all
right if he's gonna wear that up there. Yeah
Got you fooled. Haha Yeah, interesting. So there's
something like obviously something memorable
and it's a bit of a marketing thing But didn't
realize that would be behind it. What about you,
right? Yeah, I, when I was in high school, was
involved in a heap of different youth events.
Like I did Youth Parliament, and which is, if
you don't know what that is, it's basically just
where they get a bunch of kids and put them in
parliament seats and go, have at it, have a debate.
Do they get good lunches? Yeah, parliamentary
lunches are the best. Oh, fantastic. Sounds like
a rule. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. But
like, you're sitting... in this huge room with
a bunch of kids from the top schools in the state.
And these are like your future politicians, your
future doctors, your future lawyers, like they're
real switched on kids. And I'm sitting there
and I'm like, I'm not this. But they're not hosting
a podcast. But I was like, I don't know how to
talk to people. I don't know how to debate. Why
am I here? I'm here because my teacher was like,
hey, you should do this. And I was like, yeah,
righto. And you were thinking, oh, she just needs
to make up the numbers. I'll go spend a week
in Hobart, why not? Free lunch. Free lunch. Interesting,
a lot of successful people have someone who believes
in them before they believe in themselves. So
your teacher's like, yeah, you should do this.
Oh, okay. Yeah, I'll go do that. Sounds like
fun. Yeah, it's interesting the amount of people
that say, gee, you know, you should be doing
this or that. And you're like, oh, I couldn't
do that. But other people notice it really quick
and you just never have any idea, do you? It's
a bit different when you're like sitting there
and you actually have to do it. Yeah. How'd you
go, by the way? Look, I spoke. I was on news.
I was on TV. You're right. There you go. Successful.
We'll say that. Yeah, on TV. Got to TV. I got
there. I spoke. I got through it. And you got
on TV. Yeah. It's a measure of success. I think
so. You got shown on TV. Yeah. Read it. Yeah,
no one else. Just read. Who won? No one remembers.
There's photographic evidence on Facebook. You're
right. Beautiful. Sounds like a success to me.
Success to me. Englishing today, not Englishing
well. Struggle straight. Better get back to imposter
syndrome because this is a pretty serious topic.
Yes. So we're talking about imposter syndrome.
What is it? Have we had it before? We've all
had it before. And then probably people listening
would have stories or would be thinking now,
you know, often I think that, you know, I'm not
good enough to do something or we're in the right
place or am I capable or whatever. So probably
should keep on topic. Try and find those insecurities.
within yourself then, if you're feeling it. Try
and address that. You might be talking to someone,
might be talking to someone professional. Yeah.
I think if it gets severe, you should probably
talk to a professional, talk to a counselor,
to a psychologist. If it's stopping you from
being able to perform your duties. It's probably
important to note actually, before we get too
much into that, is if you are feeling the way
that you are not good enough and you actually
are not good enough. That's probably different,
that's not imposter syndrome. That's just being
garbage. Yeah, but if you've got to where you
are because you've been reasonably good at something,
then you're thinking, gee, I'm not that good.
Well, the worst case scenario would be getting
to somewhere by being garbage and then thinking
you're awesome. That's the opposite of imposter
syndrome. We can't help you there. Yeah, no.
I think you're still being an imposter, man.
I think they're called prime minister. That's
a bit rough. I feel like Prime Ministers have
the toughest jobs. Yeah, maybe not for us. It
doesn't matter if you're good or bad. No one
will ever know if you were good or bad. It's
just what gets portrayed and we'd have no clue.
And forever you're known as that Prime Minister
that was terrible. The poor UK Prime Minister
this week visits the Queen and then two days
later the Queen dies. She did a good job, Queen.
RIP Lizzie. Speaking of the Queen, she must have
had a few moments of imposter syndrome in her
life. I'm just a normal kid, and now I'm the
queen. You reckon she ever felt like a normal
kid? I reckon she felt like a normal kid, but
she's still a person. She probably felt pretty
normal before her dad took on the king. Yeah,
because that was sudden too. She wasn't in line
for the throne, was she? Yeah, because I think
it was King Edward. He abdicated the throne,
yeah. Yeah, because he wanted to marry someone
else. Yeah, so she would have had a bit of support
and a bit of learning. Well, not to do what she'd
do, but there'd be heaps of times she'd probably
be dealing with problems. She had the World Wars
and... Well, Winston Churchill was still Prime
Minister, I believe, when she ascended the throne.
Mm -hmm. So... Yeah. 1952. World War II. Yeah.
They had a recession at some point because they
talked about devaluing the pound. Yep. A lot
of big issues and she would have been like, what
am I doing here? I'm just... Mm. Yeah. I don't
know anything about this. So I don't think anyone's
immune, but... What would she have been, 20,
26? Younger, I think. She was 96 when she died
and she's had 70 years. It's good maths, can't
argue with that. Anyway, I think we're just establishing
that it's a pretty common problem, but why does
that affect someone in business? I feel like,
I don't know, if you're in business, you could
do what you do and then you're sitting there
thinking, gee, I'm not quite good enough, procrastinating
a little bit. You could decide not to take on
that big job. Yep. Which could then affect your
bottom line? Yep. You feel like you can only
go for the smaller jobs? Yep. Don't think you
can charge that much? Yeah, there's a big one.
How many small businesses do we know that don't
charge enough? Yeah, it's not like they need
to be ripping people off, but it's like, oh,
well, I was talking to the mechanic the other
day, and I might be on another podcast, but he
wasn't charging us because we took the car down
and it had a big rattle, weird metallic noise
in it. Why is it freaking out? I don't know,
fix it. And don't have the ability to get under
the car or anything anyway. So we're talking
to the mechanic. so they can identify what the
problem was and tell us, because we're worried
about it, which we're having to pay for. We need
that advice. We've taken it down there. We've
made the buying decision. We're paying this guy.
It's there. And he's taken it for a drive, couldn't
find it, sent it back, took it back down, still
doing it, mucked around it for a while, figured
out something was wrong, something was wrong.
The last mechanic had broken a few things and
he's fixed it all. And it turned out to be mainly
the issue was some drink bottles in the car.
We found that out later. But he did actually
fix a bunch of things with him. Can I get just
like a set of unscrewing stuff? He just chopped
it out So he's fixing made it all proper and
it was bouncing around and there's another noise
that went away and he's like, oh don't worry
about it It's only half an hour and like to be
honest, we didn't do too much and the alarms
are mad Don't devalue yourself. I mean it's a
piece of mine. We need to check like What's how
it he's a so it wasn't half an hour you went
for a drive for 20 minutes I for for he's been
half an hour now with your sidekick. Yeah, I
give me 15 bucks like 15 bucks before 100 in
the machine, we'll pay 100, that's fair. It's
an hourly rate, you know, boom. And he was just
like, oh, I'm not good enough to charge an hour
for this, which is crazy. So if you're in a small
business and you're thinking, hey, you know,
even though he's a good mechanic, he's got a
whole mechanic shop, he's got to that point by
being good at what he does, he still thinks,
oh, I can't bill someone because there's no value
there. But that's him thinking that, not me thinking
that. I think to some point there's probably
a bit of a fear of what the customers are going
to think. as well because I've been on the other
side of that working as a service advisor and
we have charged for services and then people
are not happy with the fact they're being charged
for services. Were they good services? Like they
were valid things? Yeah. Things that were fixed
or were diagnosed. It wasn't like you spent five
hours on it and it was really an hour job. I
mean that does happen in some dealerships but
we're not going to go into that. I think that's...
That's your value proposition though, isn't it?
If there's been an exchange of value, people
are happy to pay. And some people obviously want
more for less. Some people will never be happy
if you just exclude them. Some people just don't
want to pay ever. They just want everything for
free. But then sometimes you've got to be able
to explain your value. And then if you feel like
an imposter, you can't explain your value. And
then people won't get it. And then they'll be
like, hey, I don't want to pay you for that.
feed yourself really, won't you? Drop your rates
or whatever. Yep, then the same problem will
happen again because you can't explain your value.
And if you're not confident with that invoice,
how are you ever going to be able to charge more?
Safe to say that if your customer is saying,
I want to pay you more, you probably got some
skills and you can charge. Not like a wounded
bull, but put some value in your work. Yeah,
something I think is really important is that
for any business, any person, you need to know
why you're good. Like, why are we really good
at something? And it's not the same as everyone
else. Maybe it is, maybe it is, but it's pretty
rare you need to. Like, why, what makes me really
good? Why do people deal with me? And your clients
usually will tell you, they're like, oh, you're
the best because of this. And you probably don't
even think that. You probably don't even know
that unless you've asked them. You go through
and you ask them and you say, oh, gee, why do
you like us? You're the best, Maro. Why do you
actually like us? I love this and I love this
and I love this and I love this. Boom, boom.
Write that down. They go, gee, what do we do?
Boom. So at least when you're doing things, you
know, oh, I do this, this, this is why I'm awesome.
And generally, the stuff that they like is addressing
a pain point that they've had from other service
providers. Yeah. And so that's why they come
back to you. Yeah. It could be a pain point or
it could be you talk to them, communicate, get
back to them. You listen. Yeah. You're a nice
person. Yep. Yeah. You listen. No one else listens
to them. Yeah. But yeah, you can ask other people.
and find out what those good things are. And
they can definitely contribute to giving you
somebody to think, oh gee, we are actually good
at this because people say. And I think a lot
of business owners and people in general don't
ask for feedback because they're worried about
the bad feedback. Especially if you've got imposter
syndrome. Oh yeah. I don't want to ask. What
if they tell me something I don't want to hear?
But in general no one wants to hear bad things
about themselves and they're worried about all
the things that have gone wrong or might have
gone wrong or things that more people might think
and then they're like oh but if they tell me
it'll be real it's like well no if you've mucked
it up they they already know you've mucked it
up like it's already out there so them telling
you is probably better because at least they
know you you want to know which is much better
than you don't want to know and so people don't
ask for that feedback because they're too afraid
of hearing oh gee you really mucked this up and
at the end of the day people just want to know
you want to help them and you want to get a good
result and you try your best and that's A lot
of people, even if they get an enormous amount
of good feedback, if they see one bad review,
they'll just solely focus on that one bad review.
Yeah, yeah. I'd hope I focus on the negatives.
You've got to fix stuff, but yes, you've got
to take some things with a grain of salt sometimes.
And a negative review is sometimes a positive.
A lot of times it's a positive, unless they're
one of that minority that's never happy. But
if you've actually cocked something up, how do
we fix it? Yeah. And if you're a bigger business,
you definitely want to see those negative reviews,
because something's gone wrong in the systems.
Yeah, definitely. And yes, sometimes focusing
on that one thing is no good. You don't have
to look at it, but take it with the fact that
you had 99 good things as well, so you don't
go and smash everyone and go, oh, this is the
end of the world. This is one bad thing. We had
99 that was perfect. Well done, everyone. How
can we avoid this other one? Because we don't
want people having a bad result, do we? No, and
especially... I suppose if you're trying something
new as a business and you're adding a new service,
there's a fair chance you're going to get some
mixed feedback because you're trying something
new. If you're not trying anything new, you're
never going to make a mistake. Definitely. Don't
rest on your laurels just because you're feeling
a little bit of imposter syndrome. Grab the world.
Something you mentioned earlier was that it can
feed itself pretty well. Knowing why you're good
at something will help you a little bit. But
if you're in that mindset now, you're listening
to this and you're just like, oh, we're the same
as everyone else. We don't do anything great.
Well, maybe you should go talk to people and
see if you are. And if they're all saying, oh,
you're just mediocre, well, you probably need
to ask them what would make it great, what would
make it better. And if it's all just mediocre,
you probably should be in a completely different
business. Not to ruin your dreams and things.
And if you probably see everything negatively,
you might take that the wrong way. Or you could
get a mentor. Yeah, you can get a mentor. Get
a coach. Yeah. But, you know, if you set your
clients on, you know, what are we doing? Oh,
it just saves everyone else. You know, you just
use the average. Okay, well, what would make
us the best? Oh, nothing, because there's no
way for anyone to be better. There's either no
business there or they're not giving you the
good feedback. So you ask a bunch of clients
and they all say that you probably don't have
a really good business to be in because there's
no way you can compete and be better than someone
else. Do you want to compete? No, you always
want to be different So that's part of knowing
your strengths like we're good because of these
things and people that appreciate those things
will deal with you So sure in the ballpark and
people that appreciate something else will deal
with other people. Yep You can't be everything
to everyone and if you play that game with with
a non -competing mindset, you can't lose Yeah,
correct. Yes big world out there definitely if
you Do get a bit of the imposter syndrome or
some things you can do to to realize it I think
just being aware of it's a thing and that's why
we thought, it's a podcast, it's not a long podcast,
but it's worth people knowing about. Because
like I said, with my experiences, you go, gee,
it's a bit over my head. And then when I spend
two minutes breaking it down, I'm like, oh no,
we should do this. But I'm aware that when I
think those things, hey, this is a thing, it's
not, it's normal. Everyone gets it, it's human
nature. It's growth as well. You want to be over
your head if you're getting into that growth
mindset and you're reaching that point where
you're out of your comfort zone. That's a good
thing. Yeah. Expose yourself to a little bit
of anxiety because then the next time you're
not as anxious. Yeah. If it is becoming overwhelming,
that's where, okay, maybe we need to talk to
someone, find your mentor, find a professional
counsellor. Just talk to a client. Talk to a
client. Talk to a client that loves you. Yep.
Talk to your mum. Yeah. Find someone. Yeah. Yep.
Yeah, there's lots of things you can do in that
space. Yep. But yeah, if you find out, like,
oh, gee. I'm not sure if I shouldn't be here
and things aren't going well. Well, focus on
what can I do? Because that's in your head. That's
not a reality. It's just you thinking that. Focus
on what you can control and not what you can't.
Yes, spot on. So, okay, this is a situation.
I don't think we're good enough at this. Why?
Boom, boom, boom. Okay, let's fix those things.
If you weren't ready, you probably wouldn't have
the opportunity to do what you're doing anyway.
Yes, you wouldn't have got to where you are.
Yeah. Unless you've just sort of maybe submitted
your resume in somewhere for a job you shouldn't
have had and fudged the whole thing. And then
that's something different. That's, you know,
fraud. But yeah, we're not talking about that.
We're talking about you're good at what you're
doing. You've got yourself to a certain point
and then, you know, you can, there's nothing
wrong with saying, hey, yeah, no, I do deserve
to be here. I'm good at what I do. Probably in
Australia with. People don't like tootin' their
own horn and they definitely don't like people
doing well, other people doing well, but that's
not how it should be. And sometimes if you are
not gonna toot your own horn, no one's gonna
do it for you. And anyone who's trying to bring
you down isn't doing as much as you anyway, so
why listen to them? Yeah, correct. And if you're
good at what you do, it's fine to say, yeah,
no, I'm actually right at it. Other people are
probably saying it too. What's the spiritual
side of it? Is the universe isn't going to put
anything in front of you that you can't handle?
Yeah. You know, that's just in Australia, but
you've got other cultures. I was talking to a
client. She's lived around the world and I haven't
been there, but she did some English teaching
in, I think it was South Korea. And she said
the schools are just so different. And we were
talking about tall poppy syndrome and how that...
It was amazing how if people were doing such
a great job here, they'll get torn down or they'll
really hide it so no one knew because they didn't
want to cause trouble. And that's the culture
here. And she's like, in South Korea, it's so
different. Went to the first school assembly,
blew my mind. And correct me if I'm wrong, I'll
probably get a message later. But she basically
said that that brings students up that had achieved
something one by one in front of the assembly.
And like, this is... Sam, right? This is Sam.
Sam's got a scholarship to go to this school.
Sam's a legend. He beat everyone else in the
country. And everyone would applaud. And he'd
get his applause and then he'd move on. And then
this is so -and -so. They've achieved this. And
they had such a celebration of people. I thought
that was actually kind of cool. You can go, well,
that makes people that didn't achieve it feel
bad. But that's one way to look at it. The other
way is giving people stuff to aspire to. Because
spondylus imposter syndrome is like, oh, I'm
not good enough because I'm just a person. But
then they can say, oh Sam, I grew up with Sam.
We played in the backyard. We threw stones at
each other. And Sam was able to do that. So I
can do that too. You're never going to diminish
your own success by celebrating someone else's
successes. Yeah. I'm struggling with success
today. Funny that. But yeah, it was quite interesting.
Like if you just sort of reframe that situation
to go from how a lot of people in Australia look
at it, which is success is a negative. I'm an
apostle. I don't want to celebrate that. I don't
want to... to success is great, we did a good
job, well done. That's okay, if you think of
it that way, I think you can make some inroads
there as well. It's really common in Indian culture
as well, not just India, but South Asia in general.
A lot of parents will just brag and brag and
brag and brag about their children, like all
my children are doctors, they're lawyers, they
work for huge IT firms, they went to the top
universities. And it's just like everybody wants
to be the best all the time and they want to
like shout it from the rooftops about how good
they are. Yeah. And it's so different to hear
because everyone's like, oh yeah, I got into
this uni. And that's it. Yeah, what are you doing?
I don't want to tell you. I'm just doing this.
Yeah. But yes, there's lots of different ways
to frame it. But I think it's just important
that people understand. And when Ray brought
it up and said, we should talk about this. It's
like, yeah, we should talk about it. Because
I think it affects every business owner. at some
stage, I think it affects pretty much everyone
at some stage in their life in some way, where
you just think, oh gee, I probably shouldn't
be here. I think managers should talk about it
too. And people who own businesses talk to your
employees about it so they know that it's not
just them feeling it, especially if you've just
hired someone new. Especially if you've got like
a new graduate straight out of university, someone
who's never worked in a professional environment
before. That's a key point. Positive mindset,
back yourself. You've got a generation of kids
now that have been one of a better word, handicapped
by their environment. They've been brought up
in a world with screens and it's not their fault.
So they've had... Could be a big positive that
they've been brought up with screens. Absolutely,
but you've got a dopamine addiction from social
media that is, again, not their fault. And now
they're out in the workforce. And we've got a
generation around our age who are looking at
millennials and going, and the next generation
going, oh, these guys are uncoachable. We can't
work with them. Whereas if we create a culture
of support and we adapt, to that next generation
coming through, we can evolve our business to
succeed with their successes as they move through
an ever -changing landscape. They're probably
some of the most coachable as well. Like a lot
of the people that are just finishing up with
uni now have been through university through
the pandemic. So no one was able to go to in
-person classes. So you get a lot more value
out of going to in -person lectures where you
can ask questions and things like that. you don't
get as much value from online. Yeah, I haven't
been around really long. So, you know, I haven't
seen 10, 20 different generations, but just,
you know, some theories, but I don't think people
are all too dissimilar, you know, through the
years. Like, it's on my generation, this generation.
Really, is someone two years younger than you,
a different generation? Like, nah, yeah, technology
changes, the world changes, but the world's always
changed. Yeah. It's changed a bit faster now
than it used to. But like you say, oh, they're
addicted to dopamine, except the other one was
like, well, are they just used to things happening
faster? It's the instantaneous gratification.
Yeah. So you go, okay. Well, how can we speed
up that loop in our business? We used to go really
slow and we're used to this and we're used to
that. We've got someone who wants to go a million
miles an hour and they want constant dopamine.
Let's give them constant dopamine. How do we
do that? And it's gamify a business. Yeah. You
know, there's always different ways to look at
things. I just don't know. We're not talking
about imposter syndrome now, but if we're going
to talk about it, we might as well just mention
it. If you're at the top of the mountain, you
might feel like an imposter, but we need to climb
the mountain first. Yep. How do we do it quicker?
Yeah. But like Ree was saying, the people come
into the workforce, you've got people that say,
oh gee, I'm a member of the union. I don't know.
Look, gee, you guys, you do this, you do this.
I could never do that. Yes, you can, love. Yeah.
Yeah, no, you can do that. Here's a photo of
me at your age. Yeah. I couldn't do it either.
We all came from somewhere. You know, everything
in life's practice. You know, you say fake is
who you make it or you just, you know, realistic
expectations. Hey, I'm new. I'm the trainee.
I've got my trainee badge on, which a lot of
businesses have trainee badges. And yeah, I want
to help you. I'm here. Let's work through it.
And then one day, that's where I started. So
one day you're going to get there. But you know,
when you get there, it's remembering that, you
know, you got there for a reason. Yeah. And having
that confidence. That's the key word, I think.
Confidence. Confidence. Yeah. Back yourself.
Yeah. Believe. So we've had a really good discussion
about imposter syndrome today. Talked about how
everybody experiences it and it's a really common
problem, especially in the professional community.
So we had a chat about knowing your worth and
reminding yourself of all the good things you've
done. So reread some reviews and look back on
some projects that you've done and how successful
that they were to remind yourself that you are
in fact doing okay. And also just getting help
if you need it. Knowing when to get help and
getting help from the right avenues. Yeah, good
sum up. Very well done. Why don't we just say
that in like two minutes and people will have
to listen to us for so long. Gosh. Yeah. We also
touched on some management styles, which is a
really good segue because in our next podcast
we're going to talk about micromanagement. I
see what you did there. That'll be really good.
She tricked us during the podcast. That was pretty
well done. I don't know why you would have imposter
syndrome because that was awesome. Yeah. You
look so amazed right now. I'm not amazed. I'm
100 % believing you, Ruri. I'll write it down
in my review list so I can look back on it when
I feel like I'm experienced. She's listened to
this part of the podcast again and again, I repeat.
Yeah. I'm awesome. I am awesome. They said I
was awesome. Cool. All right. That was great.
See you next time. On that note, bye. So long.