WEBVTT 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:19.940 Hi I'm Zee and today with me we have Rowan and 00:00:19.940 --> 00:00:23.859 Ian from Plain Black Creative. Can you tell us 00:00:23.859 --> 00:00:28.079 more about yourself? My name is Ian from Plain 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:31.300 Black Creative and I was a Jack of all trades 00:00:31.300 --> 00:00:37.820 for 20 years. Master of none. Life experience. 00:00:38.979 --> 00:00:42.439 Yes and then about 12 years ago I talked my way 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:44.899 into a sales and marketing position. complete 00:00:44.899 --> 00:00:49.659 and utter bollocks interview where I just lied 00:00:49.659 --> 00:00:53.359 essentially. Did really well in that position 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:56.560 and then took on a marketing role and then got 00:00:56.560 --> 00:01:00.520 into sales and advertising and realised the whole 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:04.840 industry is pretty much corrupt and geared to 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:08.000 take money away from small businesses. So Ian's 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:09.680 sitting here right now with tin foil wrapped 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:12.780 around his head by the sounds of things. I can 00:01:12.780 --> 00:01:15.540 assure you he's not one of those guys. Definitely 00:01:15.540 --> 00:01:19.780 not. Just yeah, so we decided to be the change 00:01:19.780 --> 00:01:23.200 really and started a small company called Your 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:27.620 Copyright and then changed the name of that about 00:01:27.620 --> 00:01:30.280 four years ago to Plain Black Creative because 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:34.120 of plain black t -shirts. So just the basics, 00:01:35.140 --> 00:01:38.859 plain black tees. and decided to look after the 00:01:38.859 --> 00:01:41.719 little guy a little bit more with simple branding, 00:01:42.219 --> 00:01:44.519 effective branding, all the experience that I've 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:49.920 gained from a few years of life experience, being 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:54.319 an old guy. And yeah, it's gone really, really 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:59.700 well. I was very interested in your podcast on 00:01:59.700 --> 00:02:01.079 building a business because that's definitely 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:04.620 not what I've done. I've bought myself a job. 00:02:05.769 --> 00:02:08.349 But you enjoy it. I do enjoy it and I have the 00:02:08.349 --> 00:02:10.930 luxury of not having to work too much because 00:02:10.930 --> 00:02:13.409 there's a bit of money around. So pretty lucky. 00:02:14.270 --> 00:02:17.150 Yeah cool. So we thought we'd get Ian on board 00:02:17.150 --> 00:02:19.169 with the podcast. He's got some interesting thoughts 00:02:19.169 --> 00:02:21.009 and it's been around small business honestly. 00:02:21.030 --> 00:02:22.849 He is in a small business as well for a long 00:02:22.849 --> 00:02:25.849 time. So just a bit of different opinion, different 00:02:25.849 --> 00:02:28.310 perspective and make a little bit more interesting 00:02:28.310 --> 00:02:31.789 for everyone. Yeah, welcome to the Business Abundance 00:02:31.789 --> 00:02:35.300 podcast. Cheers. So we've had some really good 00:02:35.300 --> 00:02:38.240 feedback on our previous episode. Thank you all. 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:42.819 Yes, if you have any feedback that you'd like 00:02:42.819 --> 00:02:46.659 to send us or any topics you'd like us to touch 00:02:46.659 --> 00:02:49.460 on, just shoot us a message on Facebook or email 00:02:49.460 --> 00:02:53.840 us at contactedbusinessabundance .online. Today 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:56.560 in this episode before just interrupt you there, 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:59.240 but about the last podcast. Thanks everyone for 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:02.099 listening But did you have anyone come up to 00:03:02.099 --> 00:03:08.719 you and just say oh listen to your podcast? I 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:10.900 was literally I played cricket on on the weekend 00:03:10.900 --> 00:03:13.139 I was I was playing cricket batting in this this 00:03:13.139 --> 00:03:14.840 guy came out who doesn't really play just filling 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:18.020 in for the team and After a couple of overs. 00:03:18.020 --> 00:03:20.780 I just I know he owns a business. How's business 00:03:20.780 --> 00:03:23.860 mate? and hadn't told him for a couple of months. 00:03:24.060 --> 00:03:29.000 He's like, oh, it's business, company. I've been 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:32.020 listening to your podcast. And yeah, I thought 00:03:32.020 --> 00:03:34.120 that was quite interesting. I see a few people 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:35.800 listening to it. For our team or the other team? 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:38.099 Ian's on our cricket team too. She had no one 00:03:38.099 --> 00:03:43.080 on our team, but go on Zahara. That's fine. Today, 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:45.240 we're going to be talking about how to avoid 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:50.860 a burnout. Rowan, can you tell us why this is 00:03:50.860 --> 00:03:55.020 important? Wow avoiding burnout saves your tires 00:03:55.020 --> 00:03:59.520 on your car or in business it sort of helps you 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:03.500 Stay in control of it If you burn out you're 00:04:03.500 --> 00:04:06.120 generally stressed so burnout comes from stress 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:10.319 You burn off you're gonna be a bit low on energy 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:13.460 You're gonna make some questionable decisions 00:04:13.460 --> 00:04:16.220 You're not gonna really enjoy anything you're 00:04:16.220 --> 00:04:21.579 doing And you're probably going to annoy everyone 00:04:21.579 --> 00:04:26.560 around you as well. Any of you ever been in a 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:30.120 burnout stage? Yeah. Yep. And pretty much what 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:34.040 Rowan just said. It sucks, for want of a better 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.860 word. It's not ideal. You don't really notice 00:04:36.860 --> 00:04:39.680 it happening until it's fully fledged burnout. 00:04:41.100 --> 00:04:44.160 Oh, there's an arm. I got one in. Yes. Guilty. 00:04:47.100 --> 00:04:51.439 Yeah, it comes from a, what would you say, not 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:55.740 an abundance mindset. So when I first started 00:04:55.740 --> 00:04:58.060 with a business, actually before I started a 00:04:58.060 --> 00:05:00.560 business, it was, we need more money, we need 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:02.160 more money, we need more money, gotta work harder, 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:06.459 gotta work harder. You start doing 12, 14 hour, 00:05:06.500 --> 00:05:09.220 15 hour, 16 hour days, all you're doing is working, 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:12.660 not putting that time aside for yourself and 00:05:12.660 --> 00:05:15.579 your family. And before you know it, you're crushing 00:05:15.579 --> 00:05:20.540 a heap. Yeah, it's not much fun. You don't notice 00:05:20.540 --> 00:05:23.699 it happening until you've got no energy and you're 00:05:23.699 --> 00:05:25.980 cranky at your kids for no reason or your wife 00:05:25.980 --> 00:05:29.459 or significant other or they thems whichever 00:05:29.459 --> 00:05:35.279 we're talking about in this world today and It's 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:38.540 not fun. So avoid it. I think a lot of people 00:05:38.540 --> 00:05:47.930 can relate to that listening Welcome to the Business 00:05:47.930 --> 00:05:51.029 Abundance podcast, providing the tools and knowledge 00:05:51.029 --> 00:05:54.449 to help small business owners succeed. For additional 00:05:54.449 --> 00:05:59.490 resources, visit www .businessabundance .online. 00:06:00.310 --> 00:06:04.850 So Ian, you touched a little bit on your burnout 00:06:04.850 --> 00:06:07.949 story. Could you share a bit more about that? 00:06:08.990 --> 00:06:11.790 Yeah, yep. The first time it happened, I was 00:06:11.790 --> 00:06:16.379 actually working in a factory and it... It was 00:06:16.379 --> 00:06:20.399 just work, work, work, no social life, got to 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:23.699 make money. You're trapped in that rut of need 00:06:23.699 --> 00:06:26.680 to pay bills, need to do this, need to do that. 00:06:26.740 --> 00:06:29.819 And you're not really making any choices. Your 00:06:29.819 --> 00:06:35.339 commitments outweigh your life choices. And yeah, 00:06:35.379 --> 00:06:37.540 you just didn't feel it coming on. Eating crap, 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:40.519 absolute garbage because you just grab bites 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:42.480 to eat whenever you could. How good are chips 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:45.490 though? Chips are good. Chips are real good. 00:06:46.850 --> 00:06:50.970 Hot chips are great. But yes, not so nutritious 00:06:50.970 --> 00:06:54.490 that they help your mental state, let's put it 00:06:54.490 --> 00:06:59.970 that way. And yeah, it all of a sudden just one 00:06:59.970 --> 00:07:04.670 day felt terrible, more terrible than I normally 00:07:04.670 --> 00:07:09.350 did. You reach a point where you're not feeling 00:07:09.350 --> 00:07:12.269 great, but it's just your new norm. and then 00:07:12.269 --> 00:07:17.490 all of a sudden it peaks and down you go. Can 00:07:17.490 --> 00:07:21.149 you tell me what the consequences are after that 00:07:21.149 --> 00:07:24.430 day that you just woke up and you felt quite 00:07:24.430 --> 00:07:30.629 nasty? What happened after that? You don't like 00:07:30.629 --> 00:07:32.370 to say rock bottom because there's plenty of 00:07:32.370 --> 00:07:35.689 people who have it worse but personally it was 00:07:35.689 --> 00:07:41.250 not great. You're very Lacking energy, I suppose. 00:07:41.509 --> 00:07:44.029 Not really talked about it a lot. So it's hard 00:07:44.029 --> 00:07:46.730 to put into words, but it's... We just put it 00:07:46.730 --> 00:07:51.470 on the spot this morning. Yeah, yeah. You haven't 00:07:51.470 --> 00:07:54.329 got the energy. You're not very productive. You 00:07:54.329 --> 00:07:57.250 don't like who you are, if that makes sense. 00:07:59.230 --> 00:08:02.910 You're angry a lot. I felt that I was not myself. 00:08:03.430 --> 00:08:05.509 I'm normally pretty jovial and pretty happy these 00:08:05.509 --> 00:08:07.329 days because I've come out the other side, but 00:08:07.329 --> 00:08:13.459 you're... you're not a likeable person. Looking 00:08:13.459 --> 00:08:16.519 back, you can see people kind of avoiding you 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:20.180 because of who you are and you don't feel great. 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.519 A trip to the doctor who said, yep, you're malnourished, 00:08:24.540 --> 00:08:27.040 you're not eating right, you're burning the candle 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:28.939 at both ends. Tell me something I don't know, 00:08:29.019 --> 00:08:35.159 doc. Yeah, if I was in a business at the time, 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.340 I would have pulled up stumps. put it that way 00:08:37.340 --> 00:08:40.139 and I had it happen early on in business where 00:08:40.139 --> 00:08:43.899 I noticed it early and that was again coming 00:08:43.899 --> 00:08:46.820 from that lack of abundance where thinking where's 00:08:46.820 --> 00:08:50.539 the next dollar gonna come from so once you realize 00:08:50.539 --> 00:08:53.440 that there's plenty to go around for me I found 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:58.039 much more enjoyment in my life knowing that yep 00:08:58.039 --> 00:08:59.519 there's plenty to go around we don't have to 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:03.549 be scrimping and saving or Trying to get over 00:09:03.549 --> 00:09:05.330 the top of somebody else to get the next dollar. 00:09:05.570 --> 00:09:07.490 It's an interesting comment. You said there's 00:09:07.490 --> 00:09:11.009 plenty to go around but Changing from chasing 00:09:11.009 --> 00:09:12.730 the dollar like where's the next dollar? Where's 00:09:12.730 --> 00:09:14.789 the next dollar worrying about that to going? 00:09:15.309 --> 00:09:16.610 Oh, you know, there's plenty to be around the 00:09:16.610 --> 00:09:18.850 city Obviously you're getting clients and works 00:09:18.850 --> 00:09:21.610 coming in but we talked about business models 00:09:21.610 --> 00:09:24.870 and things like that I think usually that has 00:09:24.870 --> 00:09:26.990 a lot to do with people once they've got their 00:09:26.990 --> 00:09:28.909 business set up correctly, you know doing the 00:09:28.909 --> 00:09:31.110 right thing for the right people doing a service 00:09:31.110 --> 00:09:32.610 at a price people are happy to pay that they 00:09:32.610 --> 00:09:36.370 actually want, you know, you get those clients, 00:09:36.490 --> 00:09:37.809 you find out there's a lot of work out there 00:09:37.809 --> 00:09:41.149 because you're doing something people value rather 00:09:41.149 --> 00:09:43.610 than going, oh, I really need money. I've got 00:09:43.610 --> 00:09:48.370 to do whatever every day to get that money. So, 00:09:48.450 --> 00:09:49.629 you know, do you think that's relevant at all? 00:09:50.070 --> 00:09:52.710 Absolutely it is. That's probably the catalyst 00:09:52.710 --> 00:09:55.269 to burnout right there. I mean, you start a business 00:09:55.269 --> 00:09:58.000 and there's a lot of... Costs involved in starting 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:00.100 a business and then you're gonna try and retire 00:10:00.100 --> 00:10:03.480 that debt So it's all about money and you stop 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:06.759 you stop doing What you started doing it for 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:10.200 in the first place? Yeah, and that's that's your 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.259 first step to burn out right there in my opinion 00:10:12.259 --> 00:10:16.539 not being a psychologist but to have it having 00:10:16.539 --> 00:10:19.019 experienced it it's always come I've been probably 00:10:19.019 --> 00:10:21.019 through two actual burnouts where you would say 00:10:21.019 --> 00:10:27.159 it's I've crashed and Both times has come from 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:31.720 me not Feeling like I've got enough. Yeah, and 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:35.919 instead of focusing on the positives of There's 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:38.759 plenty out there for everyone and there's plenty 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:41.480 for that I can do that creates value in another 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:45.500 person's life. It's all about Me me me me me 00:10:45.500 --> 00:10:47.740 me me. What can I get? What can I get? What can 00:10:47.740 --> 00:10:51.200 I get? And you forget about the important stuff. 00:10:51.379 --> 00:10:54.440 Yeah, it's good points good points So you're 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:56.320 going back to what's, you know, what is burnout? 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:58.919 And I think Ian's experience there is a really 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:01.340 good example. And, you know, I've seen it a lot 00:11:01.340 --> 00:11:03.720 of times with a lot of people through my career 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:05.460 and, you know, I've been burned out times as 00:11:05.460 --> 00:11:09.580 well. But he's touched on a few points that the 00:11:09.580 --> 00:11:11.919 signs of burnout, you know, it's people feel 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:16.179 exhausted. Burnout comes from being stressed 00:11:16.179 --> 00:11:18.059 from a long period of time and burning the candle 00:11:18.059 --> 00:11:21.539 at both ends. you're stressed and you remain 00:11:21.539 --> 00:11:22.820 stressed for a long time. People say, oh, I can 00:11:22.820 --> 00:11:24.059 handle it, I can handle it, I'll handle it, yeah. 00:11:24.139 --> 00:11:26.080 You can always handle it, till that day you don't 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:29.179 handle it. Like the straw that breaks the camel's 00:11:29.179 --> 00:11:31.279 back. You know, that saying's there for a reason, 00:11:31.340 --> 00:11:35.440 isn't it? That's a really good point because 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:38.179 it is, it's a tiny little thing. In the scheme 00:11:38.179 --> 00:11:39.879 of things, you've handled everything big, you 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:41.480 think you're just starting to get your head above 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:44.679 the water, and one of your kids will say, can 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:49.210 you make me a sandwich? Bang, down you go. And 00:11:49.210 --> 00:11:51.250 it's something as small as that and your kids 00:11:51.250 --> 00:11:53.809 notice it or your family notices it or whoever 00:11:53.809 --> 00:11:56.309 notices it and it'll be the tiniest little thing 00:11:56.309 --> 00:11:57.809 and all of a sudden, you're like, I really don't 00:11:57.809 --> 00:12:01.409 like who I am. Yeah, that's nasty. It's no good. 00:12:02.110 --> 00:12:05.529 I remember for me, my story of the struggle breaks 00:12:05.529 --> 00:12:07.490 the camel's back, just a really good example. 00:12:07.570 --> 00:12:10.409 I remember I had a yacht and it wasn't a great 00:12:10.409 --> 00:12:13.250 yacht and required a bit of work and we invested 00:12:13.250 --> 00:12:14.789 a fair bit of work and money into it and we had 00:12:14.789 --> 00:12:16.330 a lot of equipment we bought on board and it 00:12:16.330 --> 00:12:18.600 got broken into and... in the middle of the river 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.379 and whatnot. So I was pretty unmotivated to fix 00:12:21.379 --> 00:12:25.100 it after that for a while. But one day, I remember 00:12:25.100 --> 00:12:27.840 sitting at my desk and then I was doing something 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:29.860 and then I was looking around and I can't remember 00:12:29.860 --> 00:12:32.360 what happened. And I think I missed about half 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:34.399 a minute, something like that. I was like, that's 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:37.000 not normal. I didn't feel stressed. I didn't 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:38.799 feel like I had a problem or anything like that. 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:40.679 But I was like, well, that's weird. And then 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:43.779 I was talking to my colleague, a good mentor 00:12:43.779 --> 00:12:46.240 for me. He's like, are you stressed? I'm like, 00:12:46.379 --> 00:12:48.850 no. I'm all good, pretty much normal. He's like, 00:12:48.909 --> 00:12:50.570 what's going on? I'm like, what do you mean? 00:12:50.690 --> 00:12:51.750 He's like, well, just tell me everything you're 00:12:51.750 --> 00:12:52.990 doing at the moment. I was like, doing this, 00:12:53.110 --> 00:12:55.370 doing this, doing this. Got this going on, this 00:12:55.370 --> 00:12:57.070 person's got this problem, and then do, do, do, 00:12:57.070 --> 00:12:59.289 do, and then blah, blah, blah. You know, this 00:12:59.289 --> 00:13:01.070 was when my boat got broken into or anything 00:13:01.070 --> 00:13:02.470 like that, but it was in the middle of the river, 00:13:02.529 --> 00:13:03.649 so every time there was a storm, you had to go 00:13:03.649 --> 00:13:05.110 check on it, go look after it, you know, all 00:13:05.110 --> 00:13:06.269 these things. He's like, I think you've got a 00:13:06.269 --> 00:13:08.009 bit of mush on your plate, mate. I was like, 00:13:08.110 --> 00:13:10.350 nah, it's all good. And then he goes, oh, yeah, 00:13:10.450 --> 00:13:12.269 just cut a few things out for a while. You'll 00:13:12.269 --> 00:13:14.110 probably feel better. And then I sold the boat 00:13:14.110 --> 00:13:16.149 for a dollar. Someone paid me $2 because he didn't 00:13:16.149 --> 00:13:18.070 have a dollar coin. He could fix it up, and that 00:13:18.070 --> 00:13:19.950 was fine. I was like, go to a good home, and 00:13:19.950 --> 00:13:22.590 if you've done boats, they're expensive, and 00:13:22.590 --> 00:13:23.970 you need time to maintain them. So I thought, 00:13:24.090 --> 00:13:25.750 well, at least this guy, he's got time and money. 00:13:25.850 --> 00:13:29.649 He can go nuts and look after it. But yeah, immediately 00:13:29.649 --> 00:13:31.529 felt better. It was just that one thing taking 00:13:31.529 --> 00:13:33.700 off my blade. It wasn't really a problem. you 00:13:33.700 --> 00:13:35.480 know it was every three weeks maybe with a storm 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:37.419 I had to go check on it but it was just one thing 00:13:37.419 --> 00:13:40.399 you had to think about and and just reducing 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:43.220 that that burden and it makes a big difference 00:13:43.220 --> 00:13:46.019 but yeah so the other signs um you mentioned 00:13:46.019 --> 00:13:47.360 like you didn't feel like you're doing a good 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:49.080 job and you felt like people were looking at 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:52.019 you like oh who's this guy yeah he's no good 00:13:52.019 --> 00:13:54.860 um but one of the signs of burnout is that you 00:13:54.860 --> 00:13:58.399 you have a reduced sense of achievement um you 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:00.139 don't feel good about what you're doing like 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:02.580 Even if you do something awesome, you just don't 00:14:02.580 --> 00:14:05.259 even appreciate it your self -worth. Yeah, thank 00:14:05.259 --> 00:14:10.360 you. You're highly critical on yourself and That's 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:13.740 what drives you to try and in my case be better, 00:14:13.980 --> 00:14:18.720 but there was never good enough. Yeah now it's 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:21.179 Now it's I know what I can achieve. I know what 00:14:21.179 --> 00:14:24.080 I can do and I give myself realistic timeframes 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:26.720 I give my clients more importantly realistic 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:30.710 timeframes and realistic expectations based on 00:14:30.710 --> 00:14:34.549 our abilities. Yeah. The last thing to sort of 00:14:34.549 --> 00:14:37.490 say about depression that some people link it 00:14:37.490 --> 00:14:41.269 to, well, burnout, sorry, jumped the gun there, 00:14:41.509 --> 00:14:44.669 but yeah, some people, some professionals that 00:14:44.669 --> 00:14:46.750 know a lot more about it than I do, link it to 00:14:46.750 --> 00:14:48.700 depression. If you look at a lot of the symptoms, 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:50.940 it's really similar. It comes from a similar 00:14:50.940 --> 00:14:53.779 place. It's not the same thing. It's not proven 00:14:53.779 --> 00:14:55.159 that, you know, burnout is depression or anything 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:57.559 like that. But, you know, depression's a serious 00:14:57.559 --> 00:14:59.139 thing. And, you know, some people think, oh, 00:14:59.179 --> 00:15:00.740 burnout, I just need to take a break for a while. 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:02.600 But you've really got to go back and look at, 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:04.840 you know, what's going on. You know, it's a serious 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:06.259 thing. And like you say, the impact it had on 00:15:06.259 --> 00:15:08.740 you and your life and, you know, like kids and 00:15:08.740 --> 00:15:11.039 things like that, you know, that's not good for 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:15.059 anyone, is it? They're very similar. And again, 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:18.110 these are all my opinions. Doctor yeah, just 00:15:18.110 --> 00:15:20.330 disclaimer. We're not yes. I know we're not we're 00:15:20.330 --> 00:15:22.750 not diagnosing And we're definitely not giving 00:15:22.750 --> 00:15:29.070 you a cure, but yeah, it's Based on people that 00:15:29.070 --> 00:15:31.950 I know who have gone through depression and and 00:15:31.950 --> 00:15:34.009 being right down at the what I would call rock 00:15:34.009 --> 00:15:37.950 bottom where it's live or die stuff you can see 00:15:37.950 --> 00:15:40.830 the signs are very similar and Yeah, I wouldn't 00:15:40.830 --> 00:15:42.950 surprise me if there was a medical expert out 00:15:42.950 --> 00:15:44.850 there who would say yeah. Well it is the same 00:15:46.110 --> 00:15:49.889 You said that when you reach that burnout stage, 00:15:50.730 --> 00:15:54.350 you, if you owned a business, you would close 00:15:54.350 --> 00:15:56.929 up shop, basically, if you owned a business. 00:15:57.750 --> 00:16:01.549 So our audience is primarily business owners. 00:16:03.769 --> 00:16:08.269 What as a business owner, Rowan, what would be 00:16:08.269 --> 00:16:10.909 the consequences for that business? You would 00:16:10.909 --> 00:16:14.570 see the flow on effect. Oh, yeah. So I've seen 00:16:14.570 --> 00:16:16.509 a lot of people start struggling in business, 00:16:16.669 --> 00:16:18.269 they start working bigger hours, they start having 00:16:18.269 --> 00:16:21.330 more problems, money problems, time problems, 00:16:21.590 --> 00:16:24.129 people doing the wrong thing, fixing things, 00:16:24.509 --> 00:16:26.549 breaking things, just, you know, everything going 00:16:26.549 --> 00:16:29.750 wrong all the time. And, you know, essentially 00:16:29.750 --> 00:16:31.929 those people generally, they're not making much 00:16:31.929 --> 00:16:34.250 money as well. Because if they're making good 00:16:34.250 --> 00:16:36.549 money, they probably just let it go. Whereas 00:16:36.549 --> 00:16:38.460 if they... They've got the double whammy where 00:16:38.460 --> 00:16:40.019 things going bad and they're not making money. 00:16:40.019 --> 00:16:41.559 They've got to get the money in because otherwise 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:45.379 they've got to find it from somewhere. So generally, 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:49.179 the people I see going through that, they just 00:16:49.179 --> 00:16:51.840 don't make sense. They go from being intelligent 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:56.279 people to intelligent people that they know what's 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:59.740 wrong. They generally know what to do about it. 00:16:59.980 --> 00:17:02.360 They might ask for help or advice about what 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.279 to do. And they'll go, yeah, that's spot on. 00:17:05.460 --> 00:17:08.019 But then they'll just do nothing else. They'll 00:17:08.019 --> 00:17:09.460 either do nothing or they'll do the opposite. 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:14.299 It just, they just don't make sense. And I think 00:17:14.299 --> 00:17:17.500 it's, it comes from stress and rarely stress 00:17:17.500 --> 00:17:20.980 people like that as well. Yeah, they're just 00:17:20.980 --> 00:17:22.680 dysfunctional. Like they go, I know these are 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:24.480 all problems and I know I need to do this to 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:25.920 fix it. And yes, I'm going to do that to fix 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:27.380 it. But then you'll talk to them three weeks 00:17:27.380 --> 00:17:28.559 later and they would have done nothing and they 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:30.140 were going, no, no, no, these are all my problems. 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.140 And you didn't help me. It's like, well, we talked 00:17:33.140 --> 00:17:36.319 about this. I found a lot of self -sabotage as 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:38.750 well. Yeah. Like a lot of procrastination, excuse 00:17:38.750 --> 00:17:46.170 me, and hang on. Excuse me. Self -sabotage. But 00:17:46.170 --> 00:17:48.990 you knew you had to get this thing done. I'll 00:17:48.990 --> 00:17:52.089 do it tomorrow. I'll do this instead because 00:17:52.089 --> 00:17:56.130 this is the easy job. And it's almost like a 00:17:56.130 --> 00:18:00.170 spiral. And again, you can hear yourself in the 00:18:00.170 --> 00:18:01.450 back of your head, I need to get this done, I 00:18:01.450 --> 00:18:03.980 need to get this done. but you're just not doing 00:18:03.980 --> 00:18:06.359 it and you don't know why. You can't put your 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:08.400 finger on it and then you're getting more stressed, 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:11.099 you're getting angrier, you're getting more irrational 00:18:11.099 --> 00:18:14.920 and then explosion. Yeah, so go back to the question 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:16.720 of what impact it's had on the business. You've 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:18.640 got a business owner or a leader or whatever 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:20.319 your role was in that business and someone that 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:24.359 basically becomes unpredictable, unreliable and 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:28.619 whether they know it or not but generally they 00:18:28.619 --> 00:18:31.279 stop helping and start becoming part of the problem. 00:18:32.409 --> 00:18:35.609 What's the first way to avoid forgetting things? 00:18:36.630 --> 00:18:40.710 Fantastic! Because you came second in that golf 00:18:40.710 --> 00:18:43.390 course. Yeah, so the first way I think to avoid 00:18:43.390 --> 00:18:45.849 a burnout or when you've got a burnout, it's 00:18:45.849 --> 00:18:47.470 easy to say, but you know, you probably should 00:18:47.470 --> 00:18:48.849 be doing more things with friends and family. 00:18:49.369 --> 00:18:51.710 If you've got no friends and that's what you 00:18:51.710 --> 00:18:55.289 like, that's fine. But most people like friends 00:18:55.289 --> 00:18:59.750 and family and... you go into business to create 00:18:59.750 --> 00:19:01.569 more opportunities for yourself, create a better 00:19:01.569 --> 00:19:03.309 life for yourself, your friends, your family, 00:19:03.970 --> 00:19:06.670 and maybe spending some more time with those 00:19:06.670 --> 00:19:10.490 people is a good step. I agree, but what about 00:19:10.490 --> 00:19:14.390 those people that feel like they can't make time 00:19:14.390 --> 00:19:16.410 for friends and family because they're working? 00:19:16.990 --> 00:19:22.750 Yeah, well, in Ian's story about his life experience, 00:19:23.450 --> 00:19:26.990 it's the buzzwords of the day, life experience. 00:19:28.609 --> 00:19:32.390 He's talking about how he was chasing it all. 00:19:32.549 --> 00:19:35.569 He had to get that money. Now, a lot of people, 00:19:35.750 --> 00:19:37.569 if you're in the situation where you have to 00:19:37.569 --> 00:19:40.769 be at work, you've got problems you need to fix. 00:19:41.089 --> 00:19:43.650 And so I can't just say, do this, and you won't 00:19:43.650 --> 00:19:46.069 have those problems. Because it could be that 00:19:46.069 --> 00:19:47.829 they have to work in a warehouse. They have to 00:19:47.829 --> 00:19:49.910 do admin. They have to do in -board. Who knows 00:19:49.910 --> 00:19:51.450 what it is? There's probably a thousand different 00:19:51.450 --> 00:19:53.490 things people might have to be doing at work. 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:57.960 But then he talked about what changed. In business 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:00.839 now, he doesn't get burnout because he knows 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:03.099 he does enough work. He does good work for people. 00:20:03.380 --> 00:20:05.500 He's getting paid enough. He's got enough clients. 00:20:05.579 --> 00:20:10.640 He's got it at a level, a manageable level where 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:12.640 it's enough work for him to keep him happy doing 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:15.339 what he wants to do. He said, you know, I'm not 00:20:15.339 --> 00:20:17.599 running a business per se with lots of people, 00:20:17.619 --> 00:20:20.160 but he's got to set up just how he wants it. 00:20:22.089 --> 00:20:24.710 So if you don't have the time to be able to do 00:20:24.710 --> 00:20:26.230 things with friends and family, the solution 00:20:26.230 --> 00:20:27.670 is still the same. One of the things that will 00:20:27.670 --> 00:20:29.529 help you is to spend more time with friends and 00:20:29.529 --> 00:20:31.250 family. So you've got to look at, well, how can 00:20:31.250 --> 00:20:36.289 you do that? Priorities. Yeah. So if you're too 00:20:36.289 --> 00:20:38.910 busy at work, what can you do not to be too busy 00:20:38.910 --> 00:20:41.630 at work? If you have to be at work, what can 00:20:41.630 --> 00:20:44.230 you do to change that? Is your business model 00:20:44.230 --> 00:20:46.390 completely wrong and it's never going to change? 00:20:46.490 --> 00:20:48.109 Well, probably shut down your business and go 00:20:48.109 --> 00:20:52.549 get a job or start a different business. If you're 00:20:52.549 --> 00:20:54.170 finding yourself at work doing things that someone 00:20:54.170 --> 00:20:55.710 else could do, well maybe you should pay someone 00:20:55.710 --> 00:20:58.809 to do those things. That's just a couple of examples. 00:20:59.470 --> 00:21:01.690 But I think it's about looking at what the outcome, 00:21:02.529 --> 00:21:04.549 one of the outcomes you need is to spend more 00:21:04.549 --> 00:21:06.109 time with friends and family and forget about 00:21:06.109 --> 00:21:08.930 work. So how can you do that? You've got to define 00:21:08.930 --> 00:21:13.109 enough, basically, or your goal. So essentially, 00:21:13.430 --> 00:21:16.089 you know, what is enough that you can do to... 00:21:17.059 --> 00:21:18.920 Are you able to spend time with those friends 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:21.039 and family? There's a social contract there as 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:24.319 well and defining it like that. Social contract? 00:21:24.900 --> 00:21:30.279 Yeah. You look at your work, your business, your 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:34.039 life, your family. Your family's going to be 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:36.559 there no matter what. Your job might not be. 00:21:36.819 --> 00:21:40.099 Your business might not be. make some time if 00:21:40.099 --> 00:21:43.240 there's one lesson I could pass on from my limited 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:49.980 life experience. Thanks, Steve. Ian's 85 next 00:21:49.980 --> 00:21:52.220 year, by the way. Looking good though, thanks 00:21:52.220 --> 00:21:59.400 to the Botox regime. My kid, I missed the first 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:02.700 three years of my son's life and you don't get 00:22:02.700 --> 00:22:06.259 that back. You just don't. So I made damn sure 00:22:06.259 --> 00:22:09.349 when my daughter was born, that I was in a position 00:22:09.349 --> 00:22:13.789 to be able to spend the time with her because 00:22:13.789 --> 00:22:18.950 you just don't get it back. Your business can 00:22:18.950 --> 00:22:23.509 go through fluctuations, ebbs and flows, prosperity, 00:22:24.109 --> 00:22:29.569 breakeven or worse, but you get one shot at that. 00:22:30.630 --> 00:22:38.289 So don't sacrifice anything to miss that. Yeah, 00:22:38.329 --> 00:22:43.029 it's a great example heavy yeah You know like 00:22:43.029 --> 00:22:46.509 people give you give you energy so there's I 00:22:46.509 --> 00:22:48.589 can't namby -pamby. I can't remember the guy's 00:22:48.589 --> 00:22:51.069 name, but There's a good speaker. I listened 00:22:51.069 --> 00:22:53.009 to years ago He was talking about energy and 00:22:53.009 --> 00:22:54.490 then some people's bit fuddy -duddy, but it made 00:22:54.490 --> 00:22:56.990 a bit of sense You know everything you have everything 00:22:56.990 --> 00:22:58.690 you own in your life. I think it's a Buddhist 00:22:58.690 --> 00:23:03.079 concept It has a string connection to you. So 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:05.400 if you've got a TV is that they believe that's 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:07.940 got a string to you all these things and the 00:23:07.940 --> 00:23:10.839 more Strings are drawing your attention or your 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:14.680 energy away the less you have so the more things 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:17.859 you have the harder it is to maintain and He 00:23:17.859 --> 00:23:20.799 that's that's one interesting point But the second 00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:23.259 thing was that some people give you energy some 00:23:23.259 --> 00:23:26.880 people take energy So, you know, friends and 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:28.640 family generally, if you've got good friends 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:30.059 and family, I don't mean go spend time with the 00:23:30.059 --> 00:23:31.640 friends you don't like or, you know, the hard 00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:34.119 work or you've got to solve their problems, but 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:36.259 you have friends and family that give you energy 00:23:36.259 --> 00:23:38.079 or make you feel better or, you know, give you 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:40.819 confidence or any of those things. By spending 00:23:40.819 --> 00:23:42.559 time with those people, you're going to get more 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:44.339 energy. You're going to be better equipped to 00:23:44.339 --> 00:23:48.240 do your job. And going back to what you asked 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:51.099 to say, which was, what if you don't have the 00:23:51.099 --> 00:23:53.299 time to do that? Like you can't, well... If you're 00:23:53.299 --> 00:23:54.559 more productive, you're probably going to end 00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:59.420 up with more time. So you can try it, but if 00:23:59.420 --> 00:24:01.000 you can't do it, you've got to change something. 00:24:01.339 --> 00:24:02.759 You can't just go, I can't do it. You've got 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:04.799 to go, what can I change to make this happen? 00:24:05.420 --> 00:24:08.859 The hard pill to swallow is there's always time 00:24:08.859 --> 00:24:11.880 for what's important. Yeah. Whenever someone 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:13.839 says, I haven't got time to do that, it means 00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:16.779 it's not a priority to you. You'll always find 00:24:16.779 --> 00:24:19.160 time to sit on the couch and watch TV. Oh, yeah. 00:24:19.539 --> 00:24:22.000 You'll always find time to do what you enjoy. 00:24:22.660 --> 00:24:24.380 Sometimes you have to make those hard choices 00:24:24.380 --> 00:24:26.299 and go, this is the thing that needs to be done 00:24:26.299 --> 00:24:28.859 so that I can improve my life 10 years from now. 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:32.339 I know for some people too, if you, you know, 00:24:32.339 --> 00:24:34.700 I keep coming back to money, but you know, sometimes 00:24:34.700 --> 00:24:37.740 it's really associated with that because it's, 00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:41.299 it's the bit where you have to go there. But 00:24:41.299 --> 00:24:44.059 what's the worst can happen for most people, 00:24:44.059 --> 00:24:45.500 you're probably still going to have your family. 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:47.559 You might not have your house, but you know, 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:49.279 at the end of the day, especially in Australia, 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:52.599 we live in Australia. You're going to get government 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:54.220 benefits. You're going to get government housing. 00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:57.160 It's not the status you might want, but you're 00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:58.920 not going to be living in a cave or on the side 00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:01.700 of the street, generally. If you lose all your 00:25:01.700 --> 00:25:03.240 money, you lose your assets, you owe a lot of 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:05.359 money, you're bankrupt, you're bankrupt for not 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:06.960 a very long period now, and then it's all gone. 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:10.619 It doesn't exist. But like you said, your friends 00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:11.880 and your family will still be there. You're not 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:13.160 going to get time back with your family, with 00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:15.660 your kids. So what's the worst that can happen? 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:17.059 Well, you're still going to be alive. You're 00:25:17.059 --> 00:25:19.460 still going to be eating. There's a lot of people 00:25:19.460 --> 00:25:21.940 worse off in the world. And you can always do 00:25:21.940 --> 00:25:24.900 something again, you know? If you're really failing 00:25:24.900 --> 00:25:26.660 and struggling so much with what you're doing, 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:28.200 you're probably just doing the wrong thing, you 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:30.539 know? If you've made it once, you can do it again. 00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:33.160 And anyone who's listening to this has probably 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:36.220 been through bad days. Yeah. And some people, 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:38.819 horrendous days, horrendous years. Unless you're 00:25:38.819 --> 00:25:41.420 Zahara playing golf. Well, I'm always happy. 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:43.779 Yeah. Just always good at golf. Except when she 00:25:43.779 --> 00:25:46.160 misses those greens in regulation. Never do that. 00:25:46.410 --> 00:25:49.990 I don't even know what that means. And you look 00:25:49.990 --> 00:25:52.250 at your worst day. For some people, the worst 00:25:52.250 --> 00:25:53.930 day is, I know there's a scratch on my car. For 00:25:53.930 --> 00:25:55.509 some people, the worst day is they've lost a 00:25:55.509 --> 00:25:59.529 limb. Yeah. But you got through it. And you look 00:25:59.529 --> 00:26:00.970 back at that and you go, well, I got through 00:26:00.970 --> 00:26:05.190 that. I can get through this. And that's something 00:26:05.190 --> 00:26:07.329 that someone a lot wiser than me, I can't remember 00:26:07.329 --> 00:26:11.769 his name, but he helped me out a lot. And it 00:26:11.769 --> 00:26:15.960 was just a random person at a workplace. who 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:18.240 just said, you know what, doesn't matter how 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:19.900 bad it gets, you've got through it in the past. 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:24.740 Yeah, still alive. Yep. So yeah, so I think that's 00:26:24.740 --> 00:26:26.680 number one, to answer your question. Friends 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:28.940 and family do what you need to do to spend time 00:26:28.940 --> 00:26:30.839 with people that are going to give you energy 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:33.740 and get you happier. Do you have another way 00:26:33.740 --> 00:26:39.119 that we could help with burnout? Yeah, well, 00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:41.019 I touched on change what you need to change, 00:26:41.099 --> 00:26:43.700 but definitely, definitely working on your problems. 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:46.839 So burnout comes from stress. So what's making 00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:52.440 you stress? What's causing you issues? Fixing 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:54.240 the problems obviously will reduce your stress, 00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:58.519 but even without fixing them, having a plan of 00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:00.960 what you can do to make it better or how something's 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.019 going to look in the future immediately makes 00:27:03.019 --> 00:27:07.359 people feel better. I'd go one step back and 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.240 admit that there's a problem. Oh, yeah. So you're 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:13.740 assuming people. Yeah. Because you don't know. 00:27:14.100 --> 00:27:16.319 and a lot of the time you'll avoid the fact that 00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:18.140 you find a good mirror and have a good hard look 00:27:18.140 --> 00:27:22.539 at yourself, essentially. Are you happy? No? 00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:26.059 Fix it. Are you happy? Yes? Alright, good. Nothing 00:27:26.059 --> 00:27:27.700 to fix. I suppose that's an interesting point 00:27:27.700 --> 00:27:29.599 and unrelated to the second thing to fix it, 00:27:30.220 --> 00:27:32.680 but a lot of people, especially probably males, 00:27:33.140 --> 00:27:34.980 won't admit that they're stressed because you're 00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:36.359 meant to be stressed, you're meant to be doing 00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:39.460 stuff. Big tough man. Yeah. So yeah, we're all 00:27:39.460 --> 00:27:40.759 meant to be stressed, we're all meant to be working 00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:43.000 hard, but I guess there's a difference between 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:44.740 being under a bit of pressure and doing things 00:27:44.740 --> 00:27:48.259 because it's healthy and being overwhelmed and 00:27:48.259 --> 00:27:52.500 taking it out on other people, isn't it? Would 00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:55.859 that require that every week, every month, you 00:27:55.859 --> 00:27:58.720 kind of sit down? Because if you're at a point 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:00.420 where you just go, go, go and you don't have 00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:02.440 the time to just stop and go, okay, there is 00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:06.500 an issue. Does it take... consistent monitoring 00:28:06.500 --> 00:28:08.339 of what's happening in your business. So for 00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:11.019 example, like I was listening to a podcast this 00:28:11.019 --> 00:28:13.059 morning and they basically said, just write down 00:28:13.059 --> 00:28:15.079 at the end of every week, what went well, what 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.640 went wrong. And that way at the end of the month, 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:23.140 if you look at it in one month, two months, you 00:28:23.140 --> 00:28:27.599 can look back and go, well, that's bad. That's 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.279 causing me stress. That's a consistent issue. 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:32.720 How do I fix that? Yeah, I think even just writing 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:33.779 something down, you're probably going to notice 00:28:33.779 --> 00:28:36.140 it straight away. Because you wouldn't write 00:28:36.140 --> 00:28:38.240 it down if it wasn't important. Just write something 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.039 down that you're perfectly fine with. Today was 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:45.200 a perfect day. You're not going to just write 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:46.660 that are you? And if you do, well good on you. 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.900 Have you read Hugh Kylenberg's resilience project? 00:28:51.980 --> 00:28:57.819 Have you read his book? No? Yes? Crickets? No, 00:28:58.420 --> 00:29:00.299 I've read a lot of books, but which part are 00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:04.380 you talking about? What went well. So Resilience 00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:07.279 Project focuses on gratitude, empathy, mindfulness, 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.019 which sounds a bit hippie when you say it like 00:29:10.019 --> 00:29:13.140 that, but the story is behind it. It's impossible 00:29:13.140 --> 00:29:17.400 to feel bad if you're feeling grateful. Empathy 00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:20.000 obviously is being able to put yourself in someone 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.000 else's shoes and feel what they're feeling, and 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.599 mindfulness is living in the now. The gratitude 00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:28.150 part of it, for me, I was lucky enough to hear 00:29:28.150 --> 00:29:32.009 him talk to Kylenberg, maybe put a link in your 00:29:32.009 --> 00:29:37.769 thingy, and we'll get paid for it. Okay, this 00:29:37.769 --> 00:29:42.710 is why Ian's not stressed. No, it's unpaid promotion. 00:29:44.789 --> 00:29:46.789 It's impossible to feel bad when you're feeling 00:29:46.789 --> 00:29:49.809 grateful. So at the end of each day, and I've 00:29:49.809 --> 00:29:51.990 started doing this with my kids, is three things 00:29:51.990 --> 00:29:54.250 that went well today. Do that in your business. 00:29:54.450 --> 00:29:57.359 What went well today? Not. what's going good 00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.420 it's what went well today specifics yeah and 00:30:00.420 --> 00:30:04.079 and it's amazing the difference in your mindset 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.819 um in a very short period of time yeah it's a 00:30:06.819 --> 00:30:15.900 really good one spot on um so essentially we've 00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:21.019 pointed out family yeah so the other one just 00:30:21.019 --> 00:30:26.259 looking at fixing the problem so When you feel 00:30:26.259 --> 00:30:29.359 like there's no way out, there's no change, today's 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:31.019 gonna be the same day as yesterday. You know, 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:32.500 the stuff, you're never gonna find someone, you're 00:30:32.500 --> 00:30:35.640 never gonna fix this problem. It's a pretty hard 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:37.500 way to get out of things, no matter what else 00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:39.660 you do. But if you can sit back and go, okay, 00:30:39.740 --> 00:30:42.259 well, what do I need to change? How does this 00:30:42.259 --> 00:30:44.539 need to look to work? If you can figure that 00:30:44.539 --> 00:30:46.440 out and then come up with two or three things 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:48.759 that move you in that direction, even before 00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:50.559 you've implemented them, you're gonna feel like 00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:55.400 you can actually do something about it. and feeling 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:57.180 like there's an end in sight makes a massive 00:30:57.180 --> 00:31:00.200 difference. So yeah, like Ian said, you probably 00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:01.599 need to admit you've got a problem and then be 00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:03.099 able to look at, okay, well, what can I do to 00:31:03.099 --> 00:31:04.640 fix it? Like, who do I need to talk about to 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:09.519 fix it? Talk with, sorry. Do I need some help 00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.980 with it? Can I just sit down and look at my go 00:31:12.980 --> 00:31:14.839 back to my business model and look at okay? Well 00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:16.799 does this fundamentally work? No, it doesn't. 00:31:16.940 --> 00:31:19.019 Okay. Well, what do I need to change? Can I change 00:31:19.019 --> 00:31:20.920 it? Yeah, you know spend a day spend two days 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:23.000 trying to do that Well, you know, the other problems 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:24.599 are probably still gonna happen, but it's not 00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:27.319 gonna be the end of the world. So Just look at 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:29.700 yeah, what can you do to change things? Making 00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:32.279 a list is huge. Yeah, you know and then just 00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:35.259 work down work down what's most important, but 00:31:35.259 --> 00:31:37.799 generally, if you are burnt out, probably share 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:39.599 that with someone, whether it's a friend or a 00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:42.460 consultant, advisor, or a mentor, whatever, because, 00:31:42.779 --> 00:31:45.019 like I said, people that are burnt out, from 00:31:45.019 --> 00:31:47.259 my experience, just don't make sense. They don't 00:31:47.259 --> 00:31:48.619 know exactly what they need to do, so you might 00:31:48.619 --> 00:31:50.259 make that list, it might be a good list, but 00:31:50.259 --> 00:31:52.140 then you just won't do it for whatever reason, 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:54.240 you can't with a million excuses, so. I've made 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:56.460 a list, everything's going fine. Yeah, so you 00:31:56.460 --> 00:31:58.460 still, once you've done that, you need to do 00:31:58.460 --> 00:31:59.660 something about it, because otherwise, you're 00:31:59.660 --> 00:32:04.079 gonna be burnt out. overwhelmed and you've got 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:05.380 your plan but then you haven't done it so you're 00:32:05.380 --> 00:32:06.680 gonna say it didn't work but you didn't really 00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.599 do it and then you're gonna be twice as bad off. 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.859 Is there a third way that you'd like to comment? 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.900 Yeah, look there's lots of individual strategies 00:32:17.900 --> 00:32:20.380 and we've touched probably a few little ones 00:32:20.380 --> 00:32:22.160 in between like Ian just gave a good example 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:24.440 there and I'm talking about before you know having 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:26.279 a lot of stuff and a lot of connections to things 00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:31.420 and people but I think pretty simple stuff but 00:32:31.420 --> 00:32:36.380 get a hobby. You know, it's um, if you find yourself 00:32:36.380 --> 00:32:38.359 obsessing with work and you can't take your mind 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:39.700 off it You probably should find something else 00:32:39.700 --> 00:32:43.759 to obsess over, you know currently I play a lot 00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:46.859 of cricket, but Yeah, you know, I'm not thinking 00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:48.500 about work. I'm de -stressing that means I'm 00:32:48.500 --> 00:32:50.299 more productive when I'm at work You know, it 00:32:50.299 --> 00:32:52.599 gives me something else to do. That's yeah, it's 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:54.900 it's not make or break if I if I go bad It's 00:32:54.900 --> 00:32:56.900 not the end of the world, but I'm gonna have 00:32:56.900 --> 00:32:59.420 fun with them catch up with some people and do 00:32:59.420 --> 00:33:03.440 things And I generally feel better I'm not thinking 00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:05.240 about work and the next day I can go and do what 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:08.640 I need to do and that's all good. So I think 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:10.819 friends and family is one thing, but have a hobby 00:33:10.819 --> 00:33:12.519 because friends and family, you're talking to 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:16.140 other people. It's not for you, but with a hobby, 00:33:16.140 --> 00:33:19.400 you're doing what you want to do. Fully your 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.759 passion. Yeah, whatever it is you like, go do 00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.819 it. Make time, like we talked about before, but 00:33:24.819 --> 00:33:27.339 do what you need to do to make the time and generally 00:33:27.339 --> 00:33:29.430 people. Hopefully they'll support you and allow 00:33:29.430 --> 00:33:31.509 you to do that life. You've got a family might 00:33:31.509 --> 00:33:33.690 be like I you can't you gotta look after the 00:33:33.690 --> 00:33:35.369 kids or you look after your partner or whatever 00:33:35.369 --> 00:33:38.470 that is but the end of the day if you're You're 00:33:38.470 --> 00:33:39.970 not looking after yourself. That's what they 00:33:39.970 --> 00:33:42.210 say in planes when the the mask come down You 00:33:42.210 --> 00:33:44.150 put your mask on first because if you can't breathe 00:33:44.150 --> 00:33:45.849 you're not gonna help anyone else put their mask 00:33:45.849 --> 00:33:48.789 on you know Whereas everyone's like, oh no help 00:33:49.130 --> 00:33:52.789 my partner put her mask on or his mask on first 00:33:52.789 --> 00:33:55.170 and that doesn't really fundamentally make sense 00:33:55.170 --> 00:33:56.930 because then you're going to be stressed out, 00:33:57.109 --> 00:33:58.450 no one's looking after you and then you're going 00:33:58.450 --> 00:33:59.690 to be snapping at them and you're going to be 00:33:59.690 --> 00:34:01.109 walking in. I think someone said to me the other 00:34:01.109 --> 00:34:03.390 week, I can't remember what we're talking about 00:34:03.390 --> 00:34:05.029 because it's the worst thing when you get home 00:34:05.029 --> 00:34:08.030 and you don't feel upset but then someone says 00:34:08.030 --> 00:34:10.489 something to you, my wife says, how's it going? 00:34:10.630 --> 00:34:12.400 And you're like... And she says, what's wrong 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:14.719 with you? And that's not how you want it to start 00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:16.760 off the evening. That's exactly not what you 00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:18.099 want. It's not what you're looking to do. But 00:34:18.099 --> 00:34:19.659 that's just what happened because people sense 00:34:19.659 --> 00:34:22.239 these things. And then you're like, oh, I just 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:26.119 need something in between to just get back on 00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:29.460 a level keel, yeah. It's OK to put yourself first. 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:32.440 Yeah, well, you've got to not say be a selfish 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.599 pig. No. But if you can't look after yourself, 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:37.300 like if you don't have enough money to look after 00:34:37.300 --> 00:34:38.639 yourself, you don't have enough money to look 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:41.110 after other people. If you don't have enough 00:34:41.110 --> 00:34:42.949 resources to look after yourself, you don't have 00:34:42.949 --> 00:34:44.449 enough resources to look after other people. 00:34:44.710 --> 00:34:46.570 If you don't have the head space to look after 00:34:46.570 --> 00:34:47.849 yourself, or you don't have the head space to 00:34:47.849 --> 00:34:50.309 look after other people. So if you want to be 00:34:50.309 --> 00:34:51.849 looking after other people, the first thing you 00:34:51.849 --> 00:34:54.110 need to do is make sure you can look after yourself, 00:34:54.369 --> 00:34:58.289 and then you're in a good spot to do what you 00:34:58.289 --> 00:35:02.469 need to do, you know? That's the not eating the 00:35:02.469 --> 00:35:04.989 hot chips. Not eating the hot chips. The hot 00:35:04.989 --> 00:35:07.449 chips are so good. Ah, but not good. Vinegar. 00:35:07.710 --> 00:35:10.579 Vinegar's good for you. Yeah, we just dose it 00:35:10.579 --> 00:35:12.219 in vinegar and then we let out the hot chips. 00:35:12.619 --> 00:35:15.039 Good for your gut. I want to try to figure out 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:20.539 why in the UK it's smashed or smooshed peas with 00:35:20.539 --> 00:35:22.500 the fish and chips. So it's like fish chips with 00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:26.800 vinegar and the peas. That's so random. Like 00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:29.800 how do you think they came up with that? Need 00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:32.880 to get the greens in. Yeah, they feel good about 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:34.860 it. It's like a salad. It's like a pie floater 00:35:34.860 --> 00:35:38.639 in Adelaide. Yeah. Someone said to me the other 00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:41.059 day, and you can fact check this, I have no idea. 00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:44.719 It's not my specialty. So fish and chips is really 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:48.480 fatty. The oil is bad for digestion. So peas, 00:35:48.619 --> 00:35:52.119 good for digestion. And vinegar helps break down 00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.599 fatty food. So here in Australia, everyone just 00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.489 puts tomato sauce on. and then probably upset 00:35:58.489 --> 00:36:01.469 stomachs all around. And if you're eating a good 00:36:01.469 --> 00:36:03.670 bit of battered fish and then you eat a bit, 00:36:03.750 --> 00:36:05.010 you're like, this is great. And then quickly 00:36:05.010 --> 00:36:08.889 it turns into, oh, this is hard to eat. The vinegar, 00:36:09.309 --> 00:36:11.710 the vinegar and stuff makes it so you can keep 00:36:11.710 --> 00:36:14.610 eating more. That's terrible. Yeah, better for 00:36:14.610 --> 00:36:16.550 digestion. That's a young person's attitude. 00:36:16.809 --> 00:36:18.849 You see, your digestion's all good. Once you 00:36:18.849 --> 00:36:21.949 get over 35, better have some smash peas and 00:36:21.949 --> 00:36:24.349 vinegar with my chips. Anyway, we're completely 00:36:24.349 --> 00:36:27.030 off topic. Yeah, absolutely. That's terrible. 00:36:28.510 --> 00:36:34.449 Take control. Okay, so essentially, to avoid 00:36:34.449 --> 00:36:38.750 burnout, you just want to... It's no easy solution. 00:36:38.789 --> 00:36:41.599 And again, we're not... counselors, we're not 00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.599 psychologists. If you are struggling, you do 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.500 get some help, you know, go talk to someone. 00:36:46.900 --> 00:36:50.739 But from our experience with business owners, 00:36:51.420 --> 00:36:55.139 seek family and friends, identify your issues 00:36:55.139 --> 00:36:58.880 and then take up a hobby. Yeah, there's lots 00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:00.239 of other things you can do. But if you're looking 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:02.300 after yourself, you're spending time with people 00:37:02.300 --> 00:37:05.239 that matter. You're doing things that, you know, 00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:07.360 just probably adjust your perspective. Ian talked 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.469 a lot about perspective of the world goes on, 00:37:09.570 --> 00:37:10.769 what's what do you want? Like your friends and 00:37:10.769 --> 00:37:13.170 family aren't leaving and this, that and the 00:37:13.170 --> 00:37:15.550 other. You know, work's not everything, so do 00:37:15.550 --> 00:37:17.730 what you can to change your perspective, get 00:37:17.730 --> 00:37:20.809 a bigger picture, and then look at what you need 00:37:20.809 --> 00:37:23.690 to do to fix what's making you stressed. And 00:37:23.690 --> 00:37:26.510 realise that you're probably not gonna be able 00:37:26.510 --> 00:37:30.210 to avoid stress in all its forms. Yeah. So learn 00:37:30.210 --> 00:37:32.159 how to deal with it. Yeah. The better off you 00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:33.420 are, the better you're going to deal with it 00:37:33.420 --> 00:37:35.739 when it comes along. If you keep dealing with 00:37:35.739 --> 00:37:37.320 it as it comes, you're not going to get built 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.780 up. It's going to take more to make you stressed 00:37:39.780 --> 00:37:42.119 because you've dealt with that anxiety, you've 00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:46.400 dealt with that hardship. We didn't mention it 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:47.900 particularly, but if you're really struggling, 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:49.860 if you haven't got people to talk to or seek 00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:51.360 professional help, there's nothing wrong with 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.480 that. Because going through it with other people, 00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:58.239 sometimes you... I do it all the time, if I get 00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:00.539 frustrated I'll go complain. I was playing cricket 00:38:00.539 --> 00:38:04.659 the other day, I got run out and I went by my 00:38:04.659 --> 00:38:07.300 partner and I went back into the change room 00:38:07.300 --> 00:38:08.920 and someone was sitting there so I blamed him 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:11.659 for it. I knew it was ridiculous, he knew it 00:38:11.659 --> 00:38:15.190 was ridiculous but it made me feel better. So, 00:38:15.309 --> 00:38:16.650 you know, sometimes just talking about things, 00:38:16.670 --> 00:38:18.849 even it's crazy, it's good for you. The problem 00:38:18.849 --> 00:38:20.929 shared is a problem halved, even if it's a run 00:38:20.929 --> 00:38:22.769 out. Yeah, so there's this free professional 00:38:22.769 --> 00:38:24.989 line you can call. There's counsellors and, you 00:38:24.989 --> 00:38:26.409 know, professionals actually know what they're 00:38:26.409 --> 00:38:28.170 talking about, whereas we're just talking from 00:38:28.170 --> 00:38:31.809 our experience. But, yeah, definitely talk to 00:38:31.809 --> 00:38:35.309 people. We're going to wrap this episode up now. 00:38:35.750 --> 00:38:37.849 In our next episode, we're going to take some 00:38:37.849 --> 00:38:41.429 time to discuss how to improve employee morale. 00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:45.639 For us it's just finished Christmas season and 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:48.679 people are heading back to work so I feel that 00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:52.559 people are in a holiday hangover. So if that 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.500 is your employees I encourage you to stick around 00:38:55.500 --> 00:39:00.019 for the next episode and then create a fantastic 00:39:00.019 --> 00:39:05.519 business for your 2022. If you have any questions 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:07.699 about what we've talked about today, make sure 00:39:07.699 --> 00:39:10.840 to visit our website, book a catch up, or you 00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:14.119 can email us at contact at businessabundance 00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:17.260 .online. 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