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www .businessabundance .online. Hello and welcome

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to the Business Abundance Podcast. I am here

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joined with Rowan and Ian. Have you guys heard

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of Liquid Death? Before we get into that. That

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was a very nice intro. I don't think we ever

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give you feedback on how nice that sounds every

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time. That's a very good word you've used there.

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Nice. That's great feedback. Didn't mean to do

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that. Liquid death. Tell me about liquid death.

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It is a water. They've named it well then. It's

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liquid. It is water. I thought we were going

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metal band. I thought that sounded like a metal

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band to me. I was very excited. They are a water

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company and they're known for... Liquid death.

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What happens if they freeze their product? They're

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no longer liquid. I mean, I don't know, you got

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me stumped there. I don't think it's relevant.

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You probably want deaths in the name. So, well,

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yeah, is liquid important? They are located in

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the US, I think. They're not water. They're iced

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tea. My bad. Um, but now they're not liquid at

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all. They're ice. They're a solid. They're ice

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tea. There we go. But they, uh, famous -ish for,

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oh my goodness. Murder your thirst. Liquid death.

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Don't be scared. It's just water and ice tea.

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Murder your thirst. Death to plastic. That's

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the, that's the Google search list. Interesting.

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Yeah. Sorry. I'm interrupting now. I'm just curious.

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That's all right. Yeah. I'm going to crack at

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it. That's all right. No, but it's good. They

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are well known for their edgy marketing. So they

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take on customer feedback quite publicly. They

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faced backlash for a marketing A promo, essentially,

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where they got all of their haters from online

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to blindfold themselves and taste test their

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different products against other competitors'

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products. And every time that they got that wrong,

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they got a shock to the system, essentially.

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They also made - Amazing what you can pay people

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to do. I hate that product. I'll pay you money

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to get zapped, but you don't like it. They made

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a jingle. out of all of their hate comments that

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they got online as well. So they, yeah, they

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gained a massive amount of attention because

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it was a very, that they were labelled as a very

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self -aware and fun brand. But it's just a good

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example that negative comments are not always

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the death of your business. Mona. Yeah, very

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popular. The billboard campaign at the airports

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last year was incredible and it was just negative

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reviews. When people say, no, this art gallery

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is disgusting and I would never take my children

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there. And that's the billboard. One star. Yeah.

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Yeah. Well, the result is that this business

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is now valued at over $700 million. Wow. So,

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um, yeah, they did particularly well, but we're

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talking about customer feedback today. Um, because

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one negative. US dollars. Yeah. Yeah. One negative

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comment will not necessarily mean the ruin of

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your business. That doesn't mean that you as

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a business owner has to then promote those negative

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feedbacks, but it does mean that you can use

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it to improve what you're producing or how you

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go about your work. Yeah, what I've found is

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when you've got your Google business account

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up and you open yourself up to Google reviews

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while you want those Google reviews because it

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shows that you're an active part of the community

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and it's good for rapport. As soon as you get

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one Google review, I've had a lot of people ask

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for me to try and remove it. Unfortunately, that's

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not always possible. Can you remove that bad

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review so the 10 reviews I gave myself stand

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out? I can understand as a business owner, it's

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not nice to see. But what we're talking about

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here is how you can turn those complaints into

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something better for your team. It's also a learning

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opportunity. It's a massive opportunity and how

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you respond is, is your brand. Yeah. I think

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Captain Sandy from below deck says it very well.

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She's like, we want your, we want your feedback.

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We want your criticism. Cause if you don't tell

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us, we can't get better. Yeah. Um, and that's

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a much nicer way to look at something that I

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don't want to ask for feedback because it might

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be bad and I don't want bad feedback because

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then they might tell someone else it's bad. Um,

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so, but they're going to tell them anyway, like

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the rule of thumb is if you have a good experience

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with a company, you're going to tell two people.

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If you have a bad experience with a company,

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you're going to tell 10 people, whether that's

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publicly or not, it's happening. You're better

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off that you know about it. because he didn't

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go, oh wow, yeah, we really stuffed that up.

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We dropped the ball on that one. Let's, let's

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find a way to get better. And some interesting

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stuff with feedback. I was talking about how

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do you get feedback? Um, and sometimes we don't

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want feedback and that's actually fine. So there's

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some things that, you know, like say in our business,

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I don't want feedback on it. We're happy with

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it. Um, you know, and some people say, oh, you

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do this and you do this and do this. And like,

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that's all well and good, but it's task is this.

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People aren't going to necessarily get that.

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So. you know, and feedback from the right places.

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We don't need feedback from everyone. All that

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bad review on Google we don't need to listen

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to because they're like an ideal customer for

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us anyway, for example. So I think there's a

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few different ways to look. We don't have any

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feedback on everything. We do need feedback on

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the things we want feedback on. Domino's did

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it. They back early in the late 2000s actually.

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So not. Not way back when. Way back in the 2000s.

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Jesus, got that wrong. They got ridiculed for

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their pizza's tasting like cardboard. They do

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taste like cardboard. Consistent with the ground.

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Well, they had a crack at changing that and they

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did the pizza turnaround. campaign. Just checking

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the emails now for the slander. It's not slander,

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it's personal opinion. But yeah, they did the

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pizza turnaround and they tried to increase the

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quality and the taste. And they did see a growth

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in sales after that. There's a camera above their

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pizzas and sent it through to you. So you knew

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that that was your pizza. So you experienced

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it? Were you a hater? You are a hater. They stopped

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using it very quickly. Yeah. No, so it's interesting,

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but it does give you an opportunity to change

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what you do. And there's a lot of ways that you

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can get that customer feedback. It doesn't just

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have to be online reviews. I mean, you can watch

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your social media and if you're posting and you

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get some unhappy comments, that's also a way.

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You can get product feedback. So you'll often

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buy something and then you'll get the five emails

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afterwards. asking for a product review or letting

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them know what you think of it. I've had that

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with a lot of clothing. The best places to get

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feedback in a business like ours is the initial

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meeting. Yeah. When you're talking to somebody

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and sometimes a business can be so focused on

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what they want to sell the person and they're

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not actually listening. And then you come away

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from the meeting with different goals and then

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you send a proposal and they're like, oh, not

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really. Sometimes the feedback can be people

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aren't buying with you. There's the point to

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that long winded story. Yeah. Um, we're talking

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a bit of fear about feedback or luck with something

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good or something bad. And you can talk in that

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case of the feedback of what they actually want.

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So just listening to them, but, um, the feedback

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in a business is not just getting reviews from

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customers or things like that. It's if you've

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got a process, do you want feedback on that process?

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So was that a good experience? So you might ask

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a few people that you like. clients that have

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gone through it that you appreciate. So you might

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not ask the bad ones or the ones that complain

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all the time. Maybe you would because you want

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it to be good enough to withstand the customers

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depending on your business. But, and you say,

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what did you feel about this part of the process

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compared to before? So you can be quite direct

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with some of the feedback you asked for and quite

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particular. And the other thing to think about

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when you're asking for feedback is you don't

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want to say, Did you think that the way that

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we did this was faster than last time? Cause

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then they're only going to tell you the feedback

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about if it was faster or not. Like try to keep

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it open ended. Don't lead them in the direction.

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Don't ask them questions towards the answer that

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you want. Um, cause otherwise you're not getting

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their feedback. You're getting their feedback

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on the bit that you want them to talk about.

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There's a, there's a local council that is looking

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to implement a new speed limit in the CBD. And

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they have sent surveys out to people on their

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mailing list on asking for feedback on the reduced

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speed limit in the CBD. And every question in

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the survey is, what do you like about or dislike?

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No, it's not even dislikes. What do you like

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about dropping the speed limit? Essentially every...

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It's leading one way. It's leading you to that

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and every bit of feedback. that they have received

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in the comments section is, I noticed that your

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survey is just telling us that we like this.

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What about letting us give you some honest feedback?

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And then their social media channel where the

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link was posted, all the comments are, hey, no

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one wants to drop to 40 kilometres an hour in

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the CPD and you're not letting us give you that

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feedback. So yeah, feedback from customers as

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far as how you're going and then feedback from

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particular things or what you might want is ask

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surveys, but try to keep them unbiased and open

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to actually let people say what they want to

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say for you to look into. I think it's quite

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important. It's an art form. So let's just say

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someone just leading back to online reviews and

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giving a bit of an example of how you deal with

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it. Let's just say. I received a negative review

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saying that... Impossible. I know, I know, hard

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to believe. But it was a case that it wasn't

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done fast enough and I wasn't picking up the

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phone. And so they felt like the customer service

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was not adequate and they've left pretty grumpy.

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They've put a two -star review on it. What's

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the first thing you want to do? Introspection.

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Is it true? Yep. That's the first thing I would

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do is go, well, yeah, actually, maybe that's

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true. Or no, five minutes isn't too long to wait

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for. Yeah. Cause I've had customers that have

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had negative reviews, but it's actually not from

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people that they've dealt with. So it happens.

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The trolls are out there. Yeah. It's quite sad.

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Don't be the jerk in that situation, especially

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on the public forum. Address it. Uh, I used to

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do some social media. work in the early 2010s,

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way back in the 2010s, and managing comments.

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And a lot of people shied away from a negative

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comment. And a lot of the times they're just

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trolls. Feed the trolls, especially at the time,

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because the algorithm wanted lots of comments

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on your posts. And every time someone commented,

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more people would see the initial post. So if

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that person's got a genuine Complaint. Fair enough.

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Address it in a genuine way. If they're being

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a troll, also address it, but keep the conversation

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going. Because if there's one thing trolls want

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to do is keep sitting on that keyboard and being

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a keyboard warrior. As long as you are taking

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the high ground and engaging in a positive way,

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most people reading that are going, actually

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that person is genuinely just being a jerk to

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this brand and they're starting to have a bit

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of fun with it or they're keeping the conversation

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going. If you're doing it in an entertaining

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way, like your liquid death, like your monas,

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people actually enjoy a little bit of negativity

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bias. Unfortunately, that's the way the brain's

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wired. But if you continue to feed that troll,

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it's only going to be good for your brand as

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much as you can maintain. There's a lot of people

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that say that they want their brand to be professional

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though. Yeah. So they're going to find that quite

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difficult to engage. Professional version would

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be. Hello. Thank you for your comment. Appreciate

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feedback from our customers. However, we can't

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find you in our system. So you might be mistaken.

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Thank you very much for your efforts. That would

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be a professional response. And if they continue

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down that track. But we're only talking about

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one side of that then. If someone leaves you

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a bad review, we can get back to them and whatever.

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And it continually happens. So, okay. Well, no,

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I think on my service level is fine. I am getting

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back to you within what I said, but we've had

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five people complain about it. Well, we probably

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need to take that feedback on board and how do

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we change how we're interacting? So we don't

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necessarily need to get back sooner. We need

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to make the part where we're getting back to

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you within 24 hours way clearer. or communicated.

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Are you over -promising and under -delivering?

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Yeah, or are they not seeing it because they're

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looking at different parts. So they're not listening

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when we're talking about it. So I think sometimes

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people are too, oh, they're unreasonable, they're

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unreasonable. Well, not necessarily. And if you're

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in a business where you're dealing with the general

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public, you probably need to err on the side

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of, well, we need to actually take on this stupid

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feedback and be better. Whereas if you're dealing

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with a more niche side of things, you can be

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more full. or a smaller segment, for example,

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liquid death, that's going to appeal to a certain

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type of person. Obviously Ian would love to be

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a drinker of that. And they can afford to sort

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of ostracize groups and stuff like that because

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there's actually, it's feeding the people they

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like. So they're a disruption of the status quo

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in their field. They're not selling iced tea,

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they're selling a bit of an experience in a culture

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that goes with it. So they're doing an apple.

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Yeah. See, bad feedback in your example is I

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think the main thing is to actually respond to

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it in whatever way is appropriate. Don't ignore

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it. Don't just leave it there, you know. But

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how you do that probably just requires a little

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bit of common sense. Yeah. And don't be afraid

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to, again, look in the mirror. Yeah. Whoops.

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Stuff that one up. Yeah. Cause people will respect

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that if you take ownership for your mistakes,

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it's not your mistakes. It's how you respond.

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I have a little checklist that I use and so like,

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Oh, do I actually want to listen to this person?

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That's first one. Cause if there's no point following

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down the checklist, if you don't value their

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opinion or you think they're a NimWit, then number

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two, number two, do I actually want to change

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this? Yes. No. Yep. Am I okay to change this?

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Yes. I'm okay to change it. Okay. Well, what's

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the feedback? Does this fit in what we want to

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do? Yes. Okay. Let's do something about it. If

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you go, yes, I'd like to change this process.

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I haven't changed the process, but this feedback,

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I don't want to implement. That doesn't fit in

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with what I want to do. No, fine. Okay. Thanks

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for your feedback. Appreciate it. You know, it

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is valued. You might give them a call and explain,

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hey, this is what we do, why we do it, so they

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understand. Or you might just go, it's not a

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customer. Yep. Yeah. So a bad review is not the

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end of your brand's reputation. Bad feedback

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is not the end. It's actually an opportunity.

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But yeah, make sure that you don't ignore it

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and you do do something about it and you should

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be on the way to a bit of business improvement.

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But we'll leave that there. Speaking of feedback,

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if you do have feedback, there is a comment section

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below your podcast episode. So leave us some

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and we'll see you in the next episode. Bye.
