WEBVTT 00:00:07.019 --> 00:00:10.679 Welcome to the Business Abundance Podcast, providing 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:13.140 the tools and knowledge to help small business 00:00:13.140 --> 00:00:16.480 owners succeed. For additional resources, visit 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:21.679 www .businessabundance .online. Hello and welcome 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:24.760 to the Business Abundance Podcast. I'm Zahara 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:28.839 and I'm here again with Rowan and Ian. Hello 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.719 everyone. Good day. Today we're going to have 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:35.359 a little chat about some unconventional ways 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:38.420 to improve. Um, as a small business owner, you 00:00:38.420 --> 00:00:42.700 have a lot of valuable, uh, things that you should 00:00:42.700 --> 00:00:44.960 be doing. However, habits make a difference. 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:47.479 And I think whether you're setting those habits 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:49.340 for yourself or you're setting them for your 00:00:49.340 --> 00:00:51.820 team, I reckon there's going to be a lot of improvement. 00:00:52.859 --> 00:00:56.219 Uh, so just want to have a chat about that. We've 00:00:56.219 --> 00:01:00.399 been testing some different activities, I guess, 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:02.299 to see what works and what doesn't work. So it'll 00:01:02.299 --> 00:01:05.170 be interesting to see. how that goes through 00:01:05.170 --> 00:01:07.250 this conversation. But yeah, we just want to 00:01:07.250 --> 00:01:10.269 hand over that knowledge and let you know that 00:01:10.269 --> 00:01:13.010 there are some ways that you can improve your 00:01:13.010 --> 00:01:17.189 intelligence, I guess. Your critical thinking 00:01:17.189 --> 00:01:20.950 skills. Brain. Yeah, basically improve your brain 00:01:20.950 --> 00:01:23.989 and also hand over that knowledge to your team 00:01:23.989 --> 00:01:27.049 so that they can work together. Better communication, 00:01:27.230 --> 00:01:30.230 better collaboration and self -esteem, I guess. 00:01:30.549 --> 00:01:37.689 Fantastic. Yep. It'll be good. I think a couple 00:01:37.689 --> 00:01:40.150 of podcasts ago, we talked about the speed typing 00:01:40.150 --> 00:01:45.810 test. Ian was - No, we didn't. Ian's regretting 00:01:45.810 --> 00:01:51.090 that. He, out of the three of us, Ian talked 00:01:51.090 --> 00:01:56.069 to the biggest game, but has not shown to the 00:01:56.069 --> 00:01:59.489 party. Terrible. Terrible. We paid in words per 00:01:59.489 --> 00:02:02.530 minute. Don't be daft. It was at least 40. That's 00:02:02.530 --> 00:02:05.329 shocking. Maybe six. I think you were 30. Low 00:02:05.329 --> 00:02:09.289 average. I was average. I think you said I was 00:02:09.289 --> 00:02:12.389 at least average, but I wasn't 100 like you crazy 00:02:12.389 --> 00:02:16.229 cats. That's just a quick type. Yeah. Neat. Efficient. 00:02:17.090 --> 00:02:19.590 Amazing. Efficient. Not here to put shoes on 00:02:19.590 --> 00:02:24.550 caterpillars. I've never heard. There you would 00:02:24.550 --> 00:02:28.590 need to be. Oh my gosh. So these apps that we're 00:02:28.590 --> 00:02:31.360 talking about obviously are not sponsored. but 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:33.500 they're just interesting to have a conversation 00:02:33.500 --> 00:02:39.719 about. Not sponsored yet. Not yet. Put the discount 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:45.539 code business abundance. For the 10 % off. So 00:02:45.539 --> 00:02:48.560 yeah, the first one being speed typing test and 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:54.659 I guess it's irrelevant because if you're only 00:02:54.659 --> 00:02:57.039 typing a few words a minute, your emails are 00:02:57.039 --> 00:02:58.960 going to be slow and that's time you could be 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:02.229 making up. Well, a lot. I mean, if you're taking 00:03:02.229 --> 00:03:05.009 10 minutes per email and it should only take 00:03:05.009 --> 00:03:07.490 you a minute per response because you're busy 00:03:07.490 --> 00:03:09.789 trying to figure out the keyboard. I found my 00:03:09.789 --> 00:03:11.789 speed did improve when I started using more than 00:03:11.789 --> 00:03:15.229 two fingers. That is a good start. I mean, I 00:03:15.229 --> 00:03:17.289 guess that is a skill you have to learn. I grew 00:03:17.289 --> 00:03:21.430 up with computers, so. I didn't. Yeah. Because 00:03:21.430 --> 00:03:24.409 I'm old. It's like when you text with one finger. 00:03:27.009 --> 00:03:30.169 Yeah, she just uses the swap. She just, Oh, I 00:03:30.169 --> 00:03:32.389 couldn't, because then I'm not sure what word 00:03:32.389 --> 00:03:36.050 I've written. Well, she knows. That's cool. Yeah. 00:03:36.469 --> 00:03:39.250 I can touch top on the screen. Yeah, I can do 00:03:39.250 --> 00:03:42.229 that. Yeah, that's a good point. Do you have 00:03:42.229 --> 00:03:44.629 to look at the keyboard while you type? Not anymore. 00:03:46.689 --> 00:03:49.759 Good skill. Yeah. Well, it's literally just an 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:54.159 online, uh, typing test and it comes up with 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:58.280 very random sentences. You have to type those 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:01.259 sentences for a minute. You can do different. 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:04.379 Yeah. Whatever you like. And then you, you, um, 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:08.400 get a, what is it? An effectiveness score. Yep. 00:04:08.659 --> 00:04:11.300 And then also how many words you're typing per 00:04:11.300 --> 00:04:13.580 minute. Obviously the faster and the more accurate 00:04:13.580 --> 00:04:16.000 you are, the better you are at it. And they've 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.660 got sort of programs to. get you from point A 00:04:18.660 --> 00:04:21.959 to point B as far as slow to fast or faster, 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:24.620 faster. If you're a competitive person, just 00:04:24.620 --> 00:04:26.279 five minutes of the most star of the day, get 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:28.819 your fingers all ready before your office jobs, 00:04:29.060 --> 00:04:30.980 like stretches for your fingers. Yeah. One of 00:04:30.980 --> 00:04:34.579 the people we had worked for us, the typing was 00:04:34.579 --> 00:04:38.439 slow before we put in the typing test. That's 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:42.579 right. It's recruitment. So, and they started 00:04:42.579 --> 00:04:45.509 doing it every day, just the one minute. And 00:04:45.509 --> 00:04:47.550 then they dramatically improve pretty quick, 00:04:47.810 --> 00:04:50.589 like 50 % in a month. That's certainly impressive 00:04:50.589 --> 00:04:52.569 improvement. I think people are just saying that 00:04:52.569 --> 00:04:54.769 to have computers when they were younger and 00:04:54.769 --> 00:04:57.709 haven't learnt, just a bit of effort every day. 00:04:57.970 --> 00:05:00.509 And speed up. It sounds like a habit. Yeah. But 00:05:00.509 --> 00:05:02.290 it extends a little bit too, like with speed 00:05:02.290 --> 00:05:04.470 typing. If you can type well, or you can learn 00:05:04.470 --> 00:05:06.209 to use shortcuts and things on the keyboard, 00:05:06.329 --> 00:05:08.790 it speeds you up knowing. And everyone's like, 00:05:08.889 --> 00:05:11.110 oh, how does all this computer work? But because 00:05:11.110 --> 00:05:13.149 we like. take you five minutes. A tenth of the 00:05:13.149 --> 00:05:15.350 time, if you can get good at using a computer. 00:05:16.290 --> 00:05:18.410 It's one of those things where time actually 00:05:18.410 --> 00:05:22.189 is money as well. So as Z said, if it's taking 00:05:22.189 --> 00:05:25.949 you 10 minutes to compose an email, I mean, for 00:05:25.949 --> 00:05:29.069 six emails is an hour, an hour of your time at 00:05:29.069 --> 00:05:32.089 X amount of dollars, if you can have that. It's 00:05:32.089 --> 00:05:35.449 an expensive piece of communication. Best thought 00:05:35.449 --> 00:05:40.389 by post. That's all the post stamps going on. 00:05:41.930 --> 00:05:45.209 Anyway, speed typing tests. Yep. Bit left field, 00:05:45.290 --> 00:05:49.790 but this is to just expand your thoughts, your 00:05:49.790 --> 00:05:52.870 knowledge base. That's Duolingo. I love Duolingo. 00:05:53.029 --> 00:05:55.050 I'm learning Italian at the moment. One of the 00:05:55.050 --> 00:05:57.449 best. I'm shocking at it, but it's great. Why 00:05:57.449 --> 00:05:59.089 are you learning Italian? Because I want to go 00:05:59.089 --> 00:06:01.230 to Italy. Yep. I think it'd be so fun. Get a 00:06:01.230 --> 00:06:03.870 fine education. It is so good. Yep. How long 00:06:03.870 --> 00:06:07.170 have you been learning for? A year. Can you spit 00:06:07.170 --> 00:06:10.009 it out? No, no, no, no, no. I regretted like 00:06:10.009 --> 00:06:11.689 having this on there because I was like, I bet 00:06:11.689 --> 00:06:13.370 someone's going to be like, can you do it? I 00:06:13.370 --> 00:06:17.829 know latte is actually milk. Yeah. Cappuccino 00:06:17.829 --> 00:06:21.129 is literally cappuccino. Yeah, so latte in Western 00:06:21.129 --> 00:06:23.029 society is pretty much wrong because it's just 00:06:23.029 --> 00:06:25.509 meant to be milk. Really did my head in, but 00:06:25.509 --> 00:06:27.550 that was like one of the first lessons and I 00:06:27.550 --> 00:06:29.569 remember it because I was like, wow, that's so 00:06:29.569 --> 00:06:31.230 weird. That's how I learned it because I think 00:06:31.230 --> 00:06:33.089 I was doing it on Joe O 'Lekker at some stage. 00:06:33.209 --> 00:06:35.769 I've tried. seven different languages. And I 00:06:35.769 --> 00:06:37.629 thought for like two weeks pay Daniel a subscription 00:06:37.629 --> 00:06:41.410 and this has been an eight year process. Yeah. 00:06:41.689 --> 00:06:44.610 Yeah. But it like the, um, the reminders have 00:06:44.610 --> 00:06:46.149 been getting better and better. There's like 00:06:46.149 --> 00:06:49.129 now it's like viral on social media because Duolingo 00:06:49.129 --> 00:06:52.310 like. really gets into you if you're not. I got 00:06:52.310 --> 00:06:54.750 an email the other day saying, clearly our notifications 00:06:54.750 --> 00:06:58.930 aren't working. And I was like, okay. There's 00:06:58.930 --> 00:07:00.970 a brilliant Ted talk from the guy who developed 00:07:00.970 --> 00:07:03.449 Duolingo on the branding and the strategy behind 00:07:03.449 --> 00:07:07.629 Duolingo. And yeah, it's impressive the amount 00:07:07.629 --> 00:07:10.610 of thought that's gone into it. There's no accidents 00:07:10.610 --> 00:07:13.569 in marketing. No, it's very cool. So a lot of 00:07:13.569 --> 00:07:15.550 these programs are so good at how they guide 00:07:15.550 --> 00:07:17.610 you through the process and make a bit of fun. 00:07:18.009 --> 00:07:21.009 If you're not quite there, get you. there in 00:07:21.009 --> 00:07:24.709 a nice way. It's created a very addictive platform. 00:07:25.170 --> 00:07:27.769 My kids are working their way through Spanish 00:07:27.769 --> 00:07:31.310 and German at the moment. And yeah, you just 00:07:31.310 --> 00:07:34.889 watch them. They love to learn. I mean, they 00:07:34.889 --> 00:07:37.649 pretty much enjoyed school from the moment they 00:07:37.649 --> 00:07:40.350 started, but they've got their friends onto it 00:07:40.350 --> 00:07:42.660 and their friends... are sometimes not the greatest 00:07:42.660 --> 00:07:45.199 students, but they're on Duolingo learning languages. 00:07:45.420 --> 00:07:47.160 Yeah, you can do little friend collaborations 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:49.160 and everything. It's so cool when you earn rewards, 00:07:49.300 --> 00:07:51.660 you can get little freezes and that was all. 00:07:51.980 --> 00:07:54.279 Yeah. Yeah. Even the characters are quite sassy. 00:07:54.620 --> 00:07:57.740 Can you learn English on it? Yeah. I reckon, 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:01.620 yeah. Oh, wouldn't that be humbling? If you're 00:08:01.620 --> 00:08:03.279 like, I'm going to learn my first language on 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:05.160 Duolingo. And they're like, that's not how you 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:07.680 do that. That's just a lesson in critical thinking. 00:08:08.420 --> 00:08:11.180 Get myself up to speed. That'd be interesting. 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:13.980 But yeah, it's not like directly related to work 00:08:13.980 --> 00:08:17.279 or any, in any sense, but it does help you think. 00:08:17.660 --> 00:08:20.540 I mean, if you're doing very like monotonous, 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.839 is that the word? Monotonous? Just recurring 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:26.759 tasks. Other app you're getting to might help 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:28.699 you with monotonous. That's probably a good idea. 00:08:29.259 --> 00:08:33.480 Yes. But basically it helps you think. Use your 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.039 brain. For a few minutes a day, gives you a few 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.539 lessons, takes you through a schedule. No more 00:08:37.539 --> 00:08:39.879 than 10 minutes. Yep. And then eventually you 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:43.399 get there and you continue to create neural pathways. 00:08:44.259 --> 00:08:47.700 The brain has a brief period when it's young 00:08:47.700 --> 00:08:50.679 where it's exploding, then a period between 14 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:52.940 and 15 years old where it creates a whole heap 00:08:52.940 --> 00:08:55.340 of new neural pathways, but then it slows down 00:08:55.340 --> 00:08:59.279 as you get older. So anything you can do to keep 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:02.799 your brain active like that. You can continue 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:06.240 to learn and teach an old dog new tricks. With 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:10.309 English too. Maybe seven years ago, I started 00:09:10.309 --> 00:09:13.789 doing crosswords and just like the online one, 00:09:14.929 --> 00:09:17.029 newspaper sites, they're doing daily crossword 00:09:17.029 --> 00:09:20.850 and I'll probably get 10 % of it to start with 00:09:20.850 --> 00:09:24.590 and then use the hint button significantly as 00:09:24.590 --> 00:09:29.070 in just put the word in for me. And then after 00:09:29.070 --> 00:09:32.009 doing one a day, after like a year, I'd probably 00:09:32.009 --> 00:09:35.850 be 60%. I'd do the whole thing and then the rest 00:09:35.850 --> 00:09:39.070 of them, they'd want hintful. And then like after 00:09:39.070 --> 00:09:41.529 that, probably the top 5 % of speed, I think 00:09:41.529 --> 00:09:43.309 in the following year, because it says like, 00:09:43.370 --> 00:09:45.629 where do you rank? And pretty, pretty easily 00:09:45.629 --> 00:09:48.009 now. So I try to do, um, I think it's dictionary 00:09:48.009 --> 00:09:50.889 .com have a crossword and the Sunday one's brutal. 00:09:51.090 --> 00:09:52.649 The Saturday one's brutal. Monday one's pretty 00:09:52.649 --> 00:09:54.590 easy. Tuesday, super easy. So do the Tuesday. 00:09:56.090 --> 00:09:59.929 Um, but then that that's quite a mix of difficulty 00:09:59.929 --> 00:10:02.429 and why would you do the crossword? I found it 00:10:02.429 --> 00:10:05.950 was really good for, um, speaking. So brain works 00:10:05.950 --> 00:10:08.769 pretty fast. Mouth doesn't quite keep up. You 00:10:08.769 --> 00:10:10.649 start explaining something and then suddenly 00:10:10.649 --> 00:10:12.850 you go, Oh, I can't actually continue the sentence 00:10:12.850 --> 00:10:15.149 because I want to say this, but I've now said 00:10:15.149 --> 00:10:17.210 this and it doesn't make sense. So tongue tied 00:10:17.210 --> 00:10:21.350 or whatever. Um, but just knowing more words 00:10:21.350 --> 00:10:24.129 and what they mean and from doing the crosswords 00:10:24.129 --> 00:10:27.649 made it so much easier to speak. I once worked 00:10:27.649 --> 00:10:29.830 in a place where we gather around at the end 00:10:29.830 --> 00:10:32.289 of the day and you'd have a 10 to 20 minute break 00:10:32.289 --> 00:10:35.870 before you got into other work. and the newspaper, 00:10:36.370 --> 00:10:39.350 Crossword. And that was a collaborative thing 00:10:39.350 --> 00:10:43.370 that we did together. Yes, it improves your vocab, 00:10:43.450 --> 00:10:46.649 but for culture, everyone was sort of competing 00:10:46.649 --> 00:10:48.669 to try and get the answer first, and it turns 00:10:48.669 --> 00:10:51.370 into a bit of a friendly banter. And the team 00:10:51.370 --> 00:10:52.970 was as strong as it had ever been when it was 00:10:52.970 --> 00:10:56.409 doing the daily Crossword to the newspaper. So 00:10:56.409 --> 00:11:01.049 I started using an app, Elevate, which has lots 00:11:01.049 --> 00:11:04.330 of different, like your mass you've got. logic, 00:11:04.590 --> 00:11:05.889 et cetera, et cetera. But it's got the daily 00:11:05.889 --> 00:11:08.789 crossword on it. You know the maths. Yeah, pretty 00:11:08.789 --> 00:11:11.289 good at the maths. Yeah. Yeah. That's the easy 00:11:11.289 --> 00:11:12.669 one. That's a few ones that are a bit harder. 00:11:13.029 --> 00:11:16.129 But it's got sort of levels for everyone. I disagree. 00:11:16.409 --> 00:11:19.509 That was so hard. It's got levels for everyone, 00:11:19.909 --> 00:11:24.129 but yeah, it's even listening, for example. So 00:11:24.129 --> 00:11:27.309 good with listening. But I started using it for 00:11:27.309 --> 00:11:29.009 a couple of weeks and then I showed my wife Claire 00:11:29.009 --> 00:11:31.539 and... She started using it. So we've got the 00:11:31.539 --> 00:11:33.419 daily crossword we both do now and there's different 00:11:33.419 --> 00:11:35.440 difficulty settings for it. It's the same words, 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:37.960 but the hints are different. Yeah. Um, so I've 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:40.000 got it on hard. She's got it on moderate, I think, 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:43.299 uh, and a flex. Cool flex. No, it's not a flex. 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:45.100 It's more just saying it's different labels within 00:11:45.100 --> 00:11:49.220 it. Um, but so you've been using it. Yeah. So 00:11:49.220 --> 00:11:51.320 you have leveled, I've got it up in front of 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:54.019 me. So, um, the first one is process that it 00:11:54.019 --> 00:11:57.620 takes you through. that you've got to complete 00:11:57.620 --> 00:12:00.299 in a time period. So like this difficulty, which 00:12:00.299 --> 00:12:04.419 is 67 out of 400, for example. So this is meant 00:12:04.419 --> 00:12:07.120 to be like an easy one. And it says like benefits, 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.519 increase your reading speed or improve your reading 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:14.500 comprehension. And then you get started. Let 00:12:14.500 --> 00:12:18.620 me do it. Yep. Here we go. Yeah. So you've got 00:12:18.620 --> 00:12:22.539 to complete 150 words per minute. So it's like 00:12:22.539 --> 00:12:24.399 relatively easy one. You've got to just read 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.580 that and like comprehend it. And yeah, it's really 00:12:28.580 --> 00:12:31.580 hard. I find it really difficult. But they've 00:12:31.580 --> 00:12:33.940 got lots of different games within it. So it 00:12:33.940 --> 00:12:36.559 makes it, we can study, you can do certain things, 00:12:36.700 --> 00:12:41.740 but the games is, for example, in writing into 00:12:41.740 --> 00:12:44.299 commas, detail, expression, inversion, punctuation, 00:12:44.539 --> 00:12:47.379 refinement, spelling and syntax. And in speaking, 00:12:47.500 --> 00:12:50.330 you've got clarity, diction. eloquence, precision, 00:12:50.470 --> 00:12:52.509 pronunciation, recall, and they're all different 00:12:52.509 --> 00:12:55.330 ones with different difficulties. And then as 00:12:55.330 --> 00:12:58.110 you progress or get better or fail, um, it changes 00:12:58.110 --> 00:13:00.850 the difficulty. Um, and then you've got scores 00:13:00.850 --> 00:13:04.490 within each one. So for each day, they have a 00:13:04.490 --> 00:13:07.309 few things like you've got this, this flame that 00:13:07.309 --> 00:13:09.850 says your streak. So it encourages you to do 00:13:09.850 --> 00:13:12.549 it every day. You don't want to lose your streak. 00:13:12.590 --> 00:13:16.470 Yeah. Yeah. So I think I'd had a streak for. 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:19.460 a couple of months, missed a couple of days doing 00:13:19.460 --> 00:13:22.620 the actual activities. And then in the last two 00:13:22.620 --> 00:13:24.559 weeks, I was just like, Oh, I actually want to 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:27.039 do the gaze. My brain needs a rest. So I just 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:29.120 do the crosswork because it took a minute. Um, 00:13:29.500 --> 00:13:31.779 keep my streak, just a bit of motivation. So 00:13:31.779 --> 00:13:33.500 you do it, but then they have a recommended one 00:13:33.500 --> 00:13:36.200 for each day. And it's got five, five things 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:37.820 in it that it suggests you should be working 00:13:37.820 --> 00:13:40.159 on. Um, and each one takes about a minute. So 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:42.210 it's five minutes. boom, boom, boom, pops up 00:13:42.210 --> 00:13:43.950 on your phone and then you can sort of move about 00:13:43.950 --> 00:13:46.190 your day. So I started just using that like a 00:13:46.190 --> 00:13:48.769 way to break up the morning. Um, but for me it 00:13:48.769 --> 00:13:51.090 was, Oh, you can play a game or have a break 00:13:51.090 --> 00:13:54.070 or, but what are you doing? You go to the gym 00:13:54.070 --> 00:13:57.690 and get fit. If you're disciplined, sure don't. 00:13:58.570 --> 00:14:02.350 Um, but if we use our brains, which most of us 00:14:02.350 --> 00:14:05.529 do, what are we doing to keep that fit? Um, so 00:14:05.529 --> 00:14:07.929 it's a way to just break it up, make sure you're 00:14:07.929 --> 00:14:10.350 progressing on all the different areas. Be it 00:14:10.350 --> 00:14:13.509 scrolling on social media. Yeah. Yeah. And it's 00:14:13.509 --> 00:14:15.090 quite fun too. Like if you are, if you've got 00:14:15.090 --> 00:14:16.429 15 minutes, you're bored, just get it up and 00:14:16.429 --> 00:14:17.830 you can go through the ones you want and do the 00:14:17.830 --> 00:14:21.730 recommended. We waste so much time doing scrolling. 00:14:22.730 --> 00:14:27.110 We don't go to social media or YouTube with purpose. 00:14:27.370 --> 00:14:29.110 We go there because, oh, here's a notification. 00:14:29.789 --> 00:14:31.070 Let's have a look. Oh, now I'm going to scroll. 00:14:31.169 --> 00:14:32.590 And then before you know it, an hour's gone. 00:14:32.750 --> 00:14:35.110 Whereas if you just have something like an elevator 00:14:35.110 --> 00:14:38.029 on your phone and 15 minutes of actual productivity, 00:14:38.330 --> 00:14:41.450 without it feeling like you're learning. And 00:14:41.450 --> 00:14:43.730 I think that's where Duolingo and Elevate have 00:14:43.730 --> 00:14:48.710 really done well in the market is you are tricking 00:14:48.710 --> 00:14:50.909 yourself into learning things and it's a game 00:14:50.909 --> 00:14:54.289 and your brain is improving and it's incremental 00:14:54.289 --> 00:14:56.629 growth. So you're not going to use it once and 00:14:56.629 --> 00:14:58.509 then go, oh my God, I'm a junior, this was amazing. 00:14:59.350 --> 00:15:03.450 Creating that habit again of using it every day. 00:15:03.490 --> 00:15:05.529 And then 21 days later, you're just going to 00:15:05.529 --> 00:15:08.980 do it out of habit. Yeah it's interesting like 00:15:08.980 --> 00:15:13.759 I finished uni and then there was no real like 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.080 obviously getting better for the role I was in 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:19.440 I was doing but I wasn't really testing myself 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:22.120 like you would in an exam or an assignment or 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:24.720 really really diving into anything and so what 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:27.000 I have noticed is before I started those things 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:30.000 like Duolingo and the reason I did get into it 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.279 and uh like I was reading and those sort of things 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:36.240 but it was I'd read one book and then go reward 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:37.940 myself with something I actually liked reading, 00:15:38.019 --> 00:15:40.019 for example. Reading is different too, because 00:15:40.019 --> 00:15:41.299 you read the book and you're like, oh, it's interesting, 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:43.600 but there's no putting it into practice. What 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:49.120 I found was I felt really stale. I just hadn't 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:53.200 really exerted that side of my brain. And so 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:56.220 now doing it, it's a bit more rewarding. I feel 00:15:56.220 --> 00:15:58.179 like I'm actually progressing. Otherwise imagine 00:15:58.179 --> 00:16:01.059 that 10 years time and I haven't really improved 00:16:01.059 --> 00:16:03.240 at all. That's going to be an embarrassing state 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.340 to be in. And the links between this sort of 00:16:06.340 --> 00:16:08.720 brain activity and then early onset dementia 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:12.379 and things like that that are horrific to see 00:16:12.379 --> 00:16:15.139 family members go down with. If you can keep 00:16:15.139 --> 00:16:17.820 the brain active, there's plenty of research 00:16:17.820 --> 00:16:20.059 out there that's suggesting that you can stave 00:16:20.059 --> 00:16:22.080 off a lot of those things. Yeah. I think they 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.799 were just helps with your day -to -day tasks. 00:16:25.419 --> 00:16:28.360 Yeah. Some things like... Alibate has to make 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:29.539 it a bit more interesting because you're like, 00:16:29.539 --> 00:16:31.519 oh, you know, learning school, blah, blah, blah, 00:16:31.740 --> 00:16:33.840 boring. But it ranks you as well. So you can 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:35.539 sort of see if you're in the beginner or moderate 00:16:35.539 --> 00:16:37.840 or expert or advanced or whatever. Yeah, I love 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:39.740 knowing that I'm the best at Italian for the 00:16:39.740 --> 00:16:42.179 day. Two or three points away from going to expert 00:16:42.179 --> 00:16:44.879 and make sure you just knuckle down. About to 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:48.860 be Einstein. Self esteem. I've been doing this 00:16:48.860 --> 00:16:51.500 for a year and I still can't see any Italian. 00:16:51.769 --> 00:16:54.029 So just looking at my rankings down, they're 00:16:54.029 --> 00:16:55.629 all reasonably even, except for memory, which 00:16:55.629 --> 00:16:57.210 is a little bit below. It's still pretty good, 00:16:57.269 --> 00:16:59.570 but it's a few way below the others. And then 00:16:59.570 --> 00:17:02.309 you've got the rankings. So you've got your rankings 00:17:02.309 --> 00:17:08.130 compared to other users. And when you first join, 00:17:08.470 --> 00:17:10.650 you do some tests. And however you perform in 00:17:10.650 --> 00:17:12.529 that is where they start you off. So you're just 00:17:12.529 --> 00:17:13.910 trying to figure out how to use the game, how 00:17:13.910 --> 00:17:16.250 to use the app, and you mark up half of it. So 00:17:16.250 --> 00:17:18.230 they sort of start you a bit lower, I think. 00:17:19.609 --> 00:17:21.710 Rank pretty high memory rank a little bit low, 00:17:21.730 --> 00:17:23.910 but it's still pretty good. But then within that, 00:17:23.950 --> 00:17:26.589 you can click on each section and it's got like 00:17:26.589 --> 00:17:31.410 rankings within memory, for example. So my retention's 00:17:31.410 --> 00:17:36.190 top quarter, my name recalls bottom half. So 00:17:36.190 --> 00:17:37.930 it breaks them down into different categories. 00:17:38.109 --> 00:17:43.849 That's why it always gets her name, Rosie. And 00:17:43.849 --> 00:17:47.630 my focus is bottom half too. Would not believe 00:17:47.630 --> 00:17:53.289 that for a second. But the interesting bit is 00:17:53.289 --> 00:17:54.670 there, you can look at it and you go, oh, I want 00:17:54.670 --> 00:17:55.930 to get better at that. Like make sure a little 00:17:55.930 --> 00:17:58.730 bit competitive, which we've talked several times 00:17:58.730 --> 00:18:00.450 off podcasts, but if something's competitive 00:18:00.450 --> 00:18:02.609 and it's a game, like I'm into it, it's competitive, 00:18:02.609 --> 00:18:03.950 but not a game I don't care. Like I don't care 00:18:03.950 --> 00:18:05.670 if I win or not. But if it's a game and competitive, 00:18:05.930 --> 00:18:07.970 I'm, you know, I want to do it. So it's, it's 00:18:07.970 --> 00:18:09.450 good that some of these things have that built 00:18:09.450 --> 00:18:11.170 into it, because it's not just slogging away. 00:18:11.369 --> 00:18:14.569 It actually becomes fun. Yeah. Yeah. I think 00:18:14.569 --> 00:18:16.450 it's good. Like you could encourage everyone. 00:18:17.250 --> 00:18:19.730 to do these things in your team and you could 00:18:19.730 --> 00:18:23.349 make it like an internal competition, I guess. 00:18:23.650 --> 00:18:25.490 Yeah, definitely. Well, you don't need to encourage 00:18:25.490 --> 00:18:28.089 it because it's fun. Well, yeah. I mean, if you're 00:18:28.089 --> 00:18:30.430 having fun at work. Pass the tools over and then 00:18:30.430 --> 00:18:31.869 see what happens. Yeah, look at the benefits. 00:18:32.630 --> 00:18:34.769 Yeah, and it separates. It's a good one too, 00:18:35.009 --> 00:18:36.650 like you separate from the people that want to 00:18:36.650 --> 00:18:38.349 actually get better from the people that sort 00:18:38.349 --> 00:18:41.390 of doing just what they need to do. Yeah, better 00:18:41.390 --> 00:18:44.150 than making them go to a training. Yeah, that's 00:18:44.150 --> 00:18:49.089 exactly what I was just thinking. Yeah. They'd 00:18:49.089 --> 00:18:51.970 go to a conference, sleep, remember the nice 00:18:51.970 --> 00:18:53.829 little bakery goods that they got for lunch and 00:18:53.829 --> 00:18:56.710 then was excited that they were leaving. That's 00:18:56.710 --> 00:18:59.670 my CPD points, I'm all sorted. Yeah. Even doing 00:18:59.670 --> 00:19:01.809 that for like a team building exercise where 00:19:01.809 --> 00:19:03.609 they go to a conference, have lunch and that's 00:19:03.609 --> 00:19:05.950 the team building. It's just, I don't know, I 00:19:05.950 --> 00:19:09.970 don't think it's quite that successful. You're 00:19:09.970 --> 00:19:14.380 going to get that why. Yeah. So I guess that's 00:19:14.380 --> 00:19:18.160 a good little segue into talking about like team 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:23.180 building and improvement. But it's just, it's 00:19:23.180 --> 00:19:26.559 the improvement that you can see or trying to 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:29.259 improve your team's like communication and collaboration. 00:19:29.460 --> 00:19:31.619 I mean, if they feel like they're achieving something, 00:19:31.859 --> 00:19:36.319 then they're more likely to be engaged. So I 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:38.539 guess duelling, go elevate, doing the Sudoku, 00:19:38.740 --> 00:19:41.869 they're all things you - Talking point. Yeah. 00:19:41.990 --> 00:19:43.869 Yeah. A talking point. They're all something 00:19:43.869 --> 00:19:45.910 you can do by yourself. You can make it a team 00:19:45.910 --> 00:19:47.289 thing where you're like, all right, everyone, 00:19:47.369 --> 00:19:52.769 we're learning Spanish. Like, um, but I think, 00:19:52.829 --> 00:19:56.349 uh, more intentional things if you're going to, 00:19:56.369 --> 00:19:58.029 I mean, get to the end of the year and you're 00:19:58.029 --> 00:19:59.910 like, okay, we need to do a team building exercise 00:19:59.910 --> 00:20:02.470 because morale is lacking. That's what everyone 00:20:02.470 --> 00:20:04.950 does. So we better do one. Must have a pizza, 00:20:05.130 --> 00:20:07.990 like a pizza day or. Sorry. I knew I was going 00:20:07.990 --> 00:20:14.339 to do that for you. Oh, no. Do you have an awesome 00:20:14.339 --> 00:20:16.839 pizza? I was about to say that's like, that's 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:20.599 not like five dollar pizza. That's like, that's 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:28.259 pizza oven. Okay. I'm not invited. Yeah. Um, 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:31.579 but yeah, when it comes to team building, I mean, 00:20:31.740 --> 00:20:35.920 I. Yeah. How do I look around and there's like 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:38.039 adventure retreats that you can do where you 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:42.309 guys go out and. Trustfuls. Yeah, trustfuls. 00:20:43.150 --> 00:20:45.410 Imagine. Go do like a... Crawl on the beach through 00:20:45.410 --> 00:20:49.089 the waves and get yelled at. Has no... Exhilarating 00:20:49.089 --> 00:20:51.349 stuff. Okay. Well, I was thinking something more 00:20:51.349 --> 00:20:53.369 relaxing, like jumping on a bike and going for 00:20:53.369 --> 00:20:58.210 a little mountain bike or doing a little bush 00:20:58.210 --> 00:21:01.420 walk together. I mean, all depending on the capabilities 00:21:01.420 --> 00:21:03.720 of your team, but getting outdoors, if you're 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:05.559 in an office environment all the time and you're 00:21:05.559 --> 00:21:07.200 like, okay, let's do something indoors. I'll 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:09.759 be like, this feels like work. We could do golf. 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:15.019 We've got a celebrity. I think having it watch 00:21:15.019 --> 00:21:16.599 your team building is that you've got a common 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:19.059 goal to achieve. I think that's kind of cool. 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:22.420 When it could be just you're making the lunch, 00:21:22.579 --> 00:21:25.079 for example, that's a common goal. Just get people 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:27.099 working together in the same direction. Make 00:21:27.099 --> 00:21:29.279 it MasterChef. Just a bit different to work. 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:32.640 So fun. MasterChef. Imagine. Imagine. The whole 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:35.079 team all set up and we're, oh, who can make the 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:37.720 best pizza? Let's do that. Well, that's library. 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:41.559 Sawyer's had that. MasterChef. Yeah. And it was 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:44.779 a team event. Yeah. And I've got the spatula. 00:21:45.019 --> 00:21:47.359 Oh my gosh. Took it out my first month because 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:49.319 it was a game and you go competitive. I want 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:51.099 to do that. I also was partnered with a client 00:21:51.099 --> 00:21:54.859 that was a chef. Oh, that's a win. That's so 00:21:54.859 --> 00:21:58.119 cool. Imagine you do, you like start off and 00:21:58.119 --> 00:21:59.759 you've got to go to the grocery store and you've 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:01.480 got to get all your ingredients and you're not 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:03.319 allowed to have instructions and you've got to 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:05.839 make your pizza and the best pizza wins. That'd 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:10.200 be so fun. A fun one that we did once was like 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:12.220 a treasure hunt, kind of like orienteering, but 00:22:12.220 --> 00:22:13.559 everyone got in vehicles and you could be a little 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:16.099 bit careful with. you know, keeping things sensible 00:22:16.099 --> 00:22:19.000 and not speeding and stuff. Um, but you had to, 00:22:19.019 --> 00:22:21.339 um, you started with a puzzle and you have solved 00:22:21.339 --> 00:22:23.799 that and go somewhere and got the next clue. 00:22:23.900 --> 00:22:26.619 And then went to end up at client's farm, I think, 00:22:26.619 --> 00:22:29.940 and then who was driving the vehicle crash into 00:22:29.940 --> 00:22:32.180 the fence post or the gate post. Cause they're 00:22:32.180 --> 00:22:34.539 in a bit of a rush and didn't see it and a few 00:22:34.539 --> 00:22:36.279 other things, but it was a fun day. You know, 00:22:36.380 --> 00:22:37.960 common goal, a bit of competition between everyone 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:40.759 and like it doesn't have to cost like thousands 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:43.259 of dollars. It can literally be 50 bucks for 00:22:43.259 --> 00:22:45.240 a few pizzas at the end of the day, but just 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:47.299 make it an activity, common goal, get people 00:22:47.299 --> 00:22:49.680 working together, having fun. Yeah, I think that's 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.420 cool. There's a really good quote. I can't remember 00:22:52.420 --> 00:22:54.599 a verbatim, but it's, if everyone's rowing in 00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:56.579 the same direction, you're going to get there 00:22:56.579 --> 00:23:00.200 quicker. Yeah. Yeah. Sort of if people have differences 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:01.880 and things like that, they can easily forget 00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:03.279 about them for a while when there's something 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:06.359 else to focus on. Yeah. And I think that's good. 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:09.480 I guess the volunteering projects are kind of 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:12.099 similar. Like Relay for Life was just on and 00:23:12.099 --> 00:23:15.559 a heap of organisations do that. And everyone 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:18.000 I know that's done it has absolutely loved it 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.960 because it's completely different. Yeah, you 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:25.019 were walking for what like 20 hours, but that's 00:23:25.019 --> 00:23:26.839 20 hours, you get to know the people that you're 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:29.759 working with. And that really good culture. Yeah. 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:31.680 Leaving back to the community. Yeah. And that 00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:33.759 builds community. And everyone's impacted by 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:38.279 that sort of. um, organization. So yeah, I think 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:40.279 that's a pretty cool one. We've got a local one 00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:43.279 here, um, grand span, which, um, basically provide 00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:46.859 food and hygiene services to people. But a lot 00:23:46.859 --> 00:23:48.839 of people just go down there, front here or business 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.400 groups of employees go down there and just, um, 00:23:51.539 --> 00:23:53.319 help serve the food or do what they need to do. 00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:56.160 Um, things like that. Yeah, I think that's pretty 00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:59.559 cool. Uh, I guess, yeah, you want to make sure 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:01.460 that you've got something for everyone. So let's 00:24:01.460 --> 00:24:03.440 just say you do like an adventure one, just make 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:05.759 sure you. the people who don't like physical 00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:08.259 exercise, you know, the next time you're going 00:24:08.259 --> 00:24:11.160 to do something a little bit less. They go to 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:13.640 pottery workshops at the moment, super popular. 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.200 Paint and sip. Drinks and sip. Yeah. That's cool. 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:20.259 I ended up creating a cow once that looked like 00:24:20.259 --> 00:24:22.519 a really weird cow. Let people know that they 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:24.900 can opt out as well. I've been in workplaces 00:24:24.900 --> 00:24:28.109 where... There's always a couple of people that 00:24:28.109 --> 00:24:30.049 just say, I don't want to do anything. Okay, 00:24:30.049 --> 00:24:32.450 that's your choice. You don't have to do it. 00:24:32.450 --> 00:24:34.049 So we're going to try and find something that 00:24:34.049 --> 00:24:35.650 you are going to enjoy. But if you want just 00:24:35.650 --> 00:24:37.890 want to clock in, clock out, don't be part of 00:24:37.890 --> 00:24:40.829 the team. That's entirely on you. Obviously, 00:24:40.849 --> 00:24:42.470 from a management point of view, you look at 00:24:42.470 --> 00:24:45.450 that and, guys, come on. And if we're trying 00:24:45.450 --> 00:24:48.450 to develop a team here, what's going on? And 00:24:48.450 --> 00:24:50.269 maybe when it does become promotion time, you 00:24:50.269 --> 00:24:52.829 look at that and go, okay, well, these guys are 00:24:52.829 --> 00:24:55.210 engaging as a team and you've got people that 00:24:55.210 --> 00:24:59.480 perhaps aren't. Bit of a dark turn to that, but 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:02.319 yeah. The words are team building. So, you know, 00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:04.400 it's not like you're saying it's compulsory. 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:07.819 You must go and you must go build a team and 00:25:07.819 --> 00:25:09.880 be a team at the end of it. It's just lots of 00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:11.400 activities and they don't have to be big things. 00:25:11.500 --> 00:25:13.099 It can be, how can you integrate into the day 00:25:13.099 --> 00:25:16.599 to day life of your business that we're just 00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:19.779 trying to do a bit more teamwork and trial by 00:25:19.779 --> 00:25:21.700 fire or whatever it is, but common goal. And 00:25:21.700 --> 00:25:23.359 eventually, you know, people become the team 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.329 after a long period of time. How frequent do 00:25:26.329 --> 00:25:28.109 you reckon you need to do them? Cause I know 00:25:28.109 --> 00:25:30.869 people that do them every couple of months. Yeah, 00:25:30.910 --> 00:25:33.589 inside the team. Yes, some people really, really 00:25:33.589 --> 00:25:35.769 love them and some managers really get into it 00:25:35.769 --> 00:25:40.670 and business owners once a quarter, once a month. 00:25:41.890 --> 00:25:44.829 It depends on the culture of your team. Some 00:25:44.829 --> 00:25:47.289 teams do it at Christmas time. That's their entire 00:25:47.289 --> 00:25:49.490 team building exercises, their Christmas party. 00:25:50.289 --> 00:25:52.789 It just depends on your setup. Like ideally it's 00:25:52.789 --> 00:25:54.990 operating like this team building every day. 00:25:55.569 --> 00:25:58.089 That's part of your business. And how do you 00:25:58.089 --> 00:26:00.130 do that? A lot of micro sessions. It's no different 00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:02.170 than micro learning, which is your duolingo or 00:26:02.170 --> 00:26:04.670 your alibi we talked about before, or doing that 00:26:04.670 --> 00:26:07.269 crossword a day. That's building the team over 00:26:07.269 --> 00:26:10.950 a period of time. But I guess the bigger activities, 00:26:11.130 --> 00:26:14.490 it can be something that builds a team. It could 00:26:14.490 --> 00:26:16.369 be something that's not building a team. It's 00:26:16.369 --> 00:26:19.069 just people expect it. Okay, well, why haven't 00:26:19.069 --> 00:26:20.710 we done this? Or half the people don't go because 00:26:20.710 --> 00:26:22.710 they don't like it. Some people go, some people 00:26:22.710 --> 00:26:26.269 don't. Are they? Creating more bonds or are they 00:26:26.269 --> 00:26:29.430 making worse bonds? You don't know. Yeah. Um, 00:26:29.450 --> 00:26:30.789 and if you do it every month, it's a sidetracking 00:26:30.789 --> 00:26:34.009 for something else. Um, but it's a really nice 00:26:34.009 --> 00:26:36.730 perk to do, to do fun things as well. But could 00:26:36.730 --> 00:26:38.890 you do that a different way? So I think it's 00:26:38.890 --> 00:26:40.950 just what, what you want to do. Like there's 00:26:40.950 --> 00:26:43.109 no right or wrong answer for it. The key is that 00:26:43.109 --> 00:26:45.109 you're trying to build a team and then there's 00:26:45.109 --> 00:26:47.410 processes or things that you do to achieve that. 00:26:47.630 --> 00:26:50.089 Yeah. I guess like Ayn said, just having a Sudoku 00:26:50.089 --> 00:26:55.980 in the middle of the lunchroom table. Yep. We 00:26:55.980 --> 00:26:59.299 had a paintball one time with a team that I worked 00:26:59.299 --> 00:27:02.579 on and the management team did make it compulsory. 00:27:02.619 --> 00:27:04.619 So you just had to come along. And there was 00:27:04.619 --> 00:27:06.319 one lady there who was like, no, I'm not really, 00:27:06.500 --> 00:27:08.319 I don't want to go and shoot people or whatever. 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:12.079 It hurts. This person, once they got the gear 00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:15.420 on and got the gun in their hand, was amazing. 00:27:16.220 --> 00:27:18.940 And I watched them run down a hill, full flood 00:27:18.940 --> 00:27:21.359 on their face. I'm like, oh man, you've done 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.799 some serious damage. Spring straight back up 00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:26.960 into Arnold Schwarzenegger mode. The people that, 00:27:27.140 --> 00:27:29.200 the things that you see from your teammates at 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.480 these things, you would not see that in the office. 00:27:32.660 --> 00:27:35.240 Yeah, just chuck everyone in a different environment. 00:27:35.539 --> 00:27:37.259 Yeah, just push them outside of their comfort 00:27:37.259 --> 00:27:39.660 zone. Same person did get shot in the neck at 00:27:39.660 --> 00:27:41.880 Mr Padding and they had to explain to her boyfriend 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.539 when she got home why she had a hickey. Couldn't 00:27:45.539 --> 00:27:50.380 have been too hard. Oh dear. Just going into, 00:27:50.380 --> 00:27:52.240 but back to team building though, just things 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:55.220 with like micro team building, something we've 00:27:55.220 --> 00:27:56.720 been trying to do here for a while. And it's 00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.660 the technology is not necessarily there, but 00:27:59.660 --> 00:28:02.200 we all work from home in our business. So that 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.400 makes it pretty much the hardest way possible 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:06.759 to form teams. Cause you don't see each other 00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:08.400 or sit next to each other or go have your weekend 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:09.859 or go have a coffee together and all that stuff 00:28:09.859 --> 00:28:13.079 that most places normally have. But what was 00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:17.039 the program? Habitica. Yeah, I stumbled across 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:21.160 this one. Uh, cause we use Microsoft programs 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:24.759 and that's all good. We use, um, Monday as well. 00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:28.359 Monday. Yeah. And so that's good for job management, 00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.119 but it doesn't necessarily create any sort of 00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:34.380 extrinsic reward. And so like what we've found 00:28:34.380 --> 00:28:39.319 is definitely in my case is that I'm. Writing 00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.559 my Monday tasks onto my piece of paper and then 00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:47.180 taking it for some sort of dopamine. Yeah. Um, 00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:51.599 And so out of curiosity, we've already, we've 00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:55.359 been talking about gamifying tasks for a long 00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:57.000 time. It's on our development thing called the 00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.660 dopamine system. Yeah. Just didn't know how to, 00:28:59.740 --> 00:29:02.420 yeah, we knew that we wanted there to be some 00:29:02.420 --> 00:29:06.680 sort of reward, some sort of challenge. It needs 00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:08.839 to obviously have all the tasks and we need to 00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:12.539 be able to tag it accordingly to everyone. Yeah. 00:29:13.339 --> 00:29:15.900 Yeah. So it needs to be quite practical. I stumbled 00:29:15.900 --> 00:29:21.200 across Habitica and you basically have a little 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:26.619 avatar and - You're avatarsing? My avatar's a 00:29:26.619 --> 00:29:29.680 little person, but - Prickly Turtle. My username, 00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.460 Prickly Turtle. Thanks, random username generator. 00:29:33.380 --> 00:29:37.740 I think it's fantastic. Anyway, so you jump in, 00:29:37.740 --> 00:29:39.619 you can set up your username, you can set up 00:29:39.619 --> 00:29:41.859 your person, you can customize your avatar. So 00:29:41.859 --> 00:29:44.099 it's got a little blue top on, it's very basic. 00:29:44.879 --> 00:29:48.940 Um, you set up your daily habits, uh, your to 00:29:48.940 --> 00:29:54.099 -do lists, uh, your daily tasks. So they're like 00:29:54.099 --> 00:29:56.380 reoccurring tasks and the habits that you get 00:29:56.380 --> 00:29:59.980 to put into things that you want to try and achieve. 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.299 So like your 15 minute break, your 30 minute 00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:05.839 lunch, read 15 minutes a day. That's where you 00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:08.160 can put in your Sudoku or those sorts of things. 00:30:08.220 --> 00:30:12.140 And as you tick everything off, you get coins. 00:30:12.410 --> 00:30:16.390 I'm pretty sure. I'm yet to like, well, I mean, 00:30:16.529 --> 00:30:19.750 I logged in for the second time and I got an 00:30:19.750 --> 00:30:22.490 egg and I got a growing potion, I'm pretty sure. 00:30:22.769 --> 00:30:26.650 So now I get to hatch a pet. So like, I got a 00:30:26.650 --> 00:30:29.349 little pet that's going to grow with me. Basically, 00:30:29.490 --> 00:30:31.970 yeah. I know people will say right now, like 00:30:31.970 --> 00:30:34.890 we want people to work, not hatch pets. Yes, 00:30:35.089 --> 00:30:39.009 but, but bear with me. The more tasks I complete, 00:30:39.130 --> 00:30:42.440 the more... money I get so that I can have more 00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:47.259 animals. Amazing. So as in like I'm still completing 00:30:47.259 --> 00:30:50.420 the task and I'm not spending 30 minutes a day 00:30:50.420 --> 00:30:52.180 trying to hang out with my pet because it does 00:30:52.180 --> 00:30:54.180 absolutely nothing. But it's the fact that I'm 00:30:54.180 --> 00:30:57.500 getting little bits of costume and stuff to add. 00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.720 We can do challenges as a group. So I set up 00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:02.140 this challenge where you read five books in five 00:31:02.140 --> 00:31:04.339 months. It'd be so good to have the rest of the 00:31:04.339 --> 00:31:06.279 team involved in that because you get a reward 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:08.349 when you complete it. And those that don't complete 00:31:08.349 --> 00:31:10.289 it just don't get their little certificate and 00:31:10.289 --> 00:31:12.609 reward a badge. Yeah. So imagine if you have 00:31:12.609 --> 00:31:15.650 the most elite little avatar and everyone else 00:31:15.650 --> 00:31:18.069 has got little basic avatars, you clearly know 00:31:18.069 --> 00:31:21.289 who's working. There's a lot of industry leaders 00:31:21.289 --> 00:31:24.269 who have talked about being able to engage in 00:31:24.269 --> 00:31:27.349 the new workforce, the younger workforce. Fresh 00:31:27.349 --> 00:31:30.230 out of school, 20 -somethings coming into the 00:31:30.230 --> 00:31:33.150 workforce and they say, why can't they just work 00:31:33.150 --> 00:31:36.259 like we did? Well, when... I'm 40 so I don't 00:31:36.259 --> 00:31:38.039 allow people to get whipped anymore. Yeah, well 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.279 that's exactly it. No, I don't want that. No, 00:31:41.980 --> 00:31:46.259 no, no. I'm 48 as of today and thanks, I made 00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:48.700 it. Was it actually your birthday? No. Oh, good. 00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.640 But when I was coming through as a teenager, 00:31:55.500 --> 00:31:59.359 the work environment was quite more abrupt and 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.930 abrasive and you just dealt with it. You don't 00:32:02.930 --> 00:32:04.930 do that anymore. We're more inclusive. We're 00:32:04.930 --> 00:32:08.130 more aware of the psychology of how people succeed. 00:32:09.289 --> 00:32:11.710 And for us as business owners of my generation 00:32:11.710 --> 00:32:13.869 and above to sit there and go, well, why can't 00:32:13.869 --> 00:32:17.509 these kids just do what I did? Because they can't. 00:32:18.009 --> 00:32:19.730 That's not how they've been trained. That's not 00:32:19.730 --> 00:32:21.250 how they've been brought up. And let's be fair, 00:32:21.430 --> 00:32:25.819 that's not how humans learn. Aside from that 00:32:25.819 --> 00:32:27.660 though, there's some things about the system, 00:32:27.819 --> 00:32:29.539 which is why we wanted it. We want to build a 00:32:29.539 --> 00:32:31.539 team. We want to have people having some sort 00:32:31.539 --> 00:32:33.319 of pride in their work or, you know, I've been 00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:36.140 here for a while. Um, and some sets of accomplishments, 00:32:36.980 --> 00:32:40.480 which, um, you know, is, is tied to something 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:45.720 that they've done. Um, and that's not a. kids 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:47.579 these day thing, that's always been the case 00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:49.940 because you have scouts and they get their badges 00:32:49.940 --> 00:32:52.180 and things and you have your cross stitch groups. 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:53.460 They have their little things that they put on 00:32:53.460 --> 00:32:56.000 their shirts and whatever. So that's something 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:58.599 that's been around for a very long time. So the 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:00.900 idea of that you can have a system and people 00:33:00.900 --> 00:33:02.180 have the things that they want to do and the 00:33:02.180 --> 00:33:04.480 work that they need to get done. And then over 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:06.259 time you get a little pet, but it's not wasting 00:33:06.259 --> 00:33:07.940 your time. If you don't care for any of this 00:33:07.940 --> 00:33:09.650 stuff, it doesn't matter. because you're still 00:33:09.650 --> 00:33:12.210 ticking your boxes. You still need to do it anyway. 00:33:13.390 --> 00:33:15.309 But for someone who's been there five years, 00:33:15.450 --> 00:33:17.769 they have a badge that's like, or a special thing 00:33:17.769 --> 00:33:21.490 that says five year, blah, blah, blah. So I think 00:33:21.490 --> 00:33:24.569 the point is, is that, you know, can you use 00:33:24.569 --> 00:33:26.569 your business system to turn it into a bit of 00:33:26.569 --> 00:33:28.670 a game, bit of fun, or provide that little bit 00:33:28.670 --> 00:33:31.849 of acknowledgement. You know, that 20 year long 00:33:31.849 --> 00:33:34.950 service, you know, go watch for example. You 00:33:34.950 --> 00:33:36.970 know, things like that help build the team and 00:33:36.970 --> 00:33:39.069 get a sense of, you know, community and a bit 00:33:39.069 --> 00:33:41.769 of, you know, you might not be my boss, but you've 00:33:41.769 --> 00:33:43.589 been here 20 years. So you still have some respect 00:33:43.589 --> 00:33:46.750 that people are looking for. And the number one 00:33:46.750 --> 00:33:49.650 reason people leave a workplace is apathy and 00:33:49.650 --> 00:33:51.390 a little bit of acknowledgement along the way 00:33:51.390 --> 00:33:58.670 can, can help avoid apathy. Yeah. Yeah. I think, 00:33:58.710 --> 00:34:02.150 yeah, it does sound. a little bit funny and childish, 00:34:02.269 --> 00:34:05.009 but you've got to like admit that the gaming 00:34:05.009 --> 00:34:07.930 industry is quite popular and. That's hacking, 00:34:08.130 --> 00:34:10.949 right? Yeah, I'm set. We feel good when we get 00:34:10.949 --> 00:34:13.690 things in, do things and collect things and use 00:34:13.690 --> 00:34:16.469 it. Yeah, use it. Yeah, so I think that's a really 00:34:16.469 --> 00:34:20.469 cool one. Yeah, that's going to improve personal 00:34:20.469 --> 00:34:23.130 and team productivity. You can also put your 00:34:23.130 --> 00:34:26.090 personal goals in there as well, like drink enough 00:34:26.090 --> 00:34:30.320 water and make sure you step outside. Yeah, so 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.420 it's quite cool. We've used that word a few times, 00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.139 habits. Yes. It's a constant companion. Yeah. 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.159 So you've either got good habits or bad habits 00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:41.719 or bleh, meh habits. It takes a while to build 00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:44.159 in habits, doesn't it? It's one of those things 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.800 where people, a habit is, it creates success 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:50.860 and they say that success leaves habit, leaves 00:34:50.860 --> 00:34:55.099 clues. Most successful people have pretty strong 00:34:55.099 --> 00:34:58.199 habits. that point towards their success. It's 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:02.139 no different in business or personal life. Your 00:35:02.139 --> 00:35:06.440 habits are always with you. So use these. We've 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:09.460 got the technology in our pocket that can create 00:35:09.460 --> 00:35:12.539 some positive habits. Whether you like to expand 00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:15.960 on your maths or your English or whatever other 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.159 things are in elevate or a different language, 00:35:20.420 --> 00:35:22.440 the habit that you're building is your brain 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:26.289 power is increasing. So just sort of, I guess, 00:35:26.429 --> 00:35:28.829 to summarize a little bit, unconventional ways 00:35:28.829 --> 00:35:31.429 to improve. We're not necessarily talking too 00:35:31.429 --> 00:35:34.110 unconventional, but you know, if you want to 00:35:34.110 --> 00:35:35.690 get better or something where it's all working 00:35:35.690 --> 00:35:38.150 or sport or whatever you do, lots of little bits 00:35:38.150 --> 00:35:40.090 of practice. So that builds up over time to be 00:35:40.090 --> 00:35:43.889 very good at something. So a team building, the 00:35:43.889 --> 00:35:45.909 buzz is go on a big adventure and do this and 00:35:45.909 --> 00:35:47.570 do that. And that is great. You've got a team, 00:35:47.570 --> 00:35:49.329 but it's not really the case. It's the little 00:35:49.329 --> 00:35:50.849 things that end up over time and the things that 00:35:50.849 --> 00:35:54.110 you do and the same for you, you know, if you're. 00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:56.340 a good joiner, you've learned to be a good joiner 00:35:56.340 --> 00:35:58.980 with lots of little things over time. Um, so 00:35:58.980 --> 00:36:00.980 if you're not good at certain things, it's, it's 00:36:00.980 --> 00:36:03.579 finding those habits and, and doing that hard 00:36:03.579 --> 00:36:05.659 work, but we can make that fun and we can use 00:36:05.659 --> 00:36:09.119 that to give us a break for the day, um, as well. 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.000 So it says unconventional, but it's probably 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:13.880 we're talking the unconventional way. Now he's 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:15.679 conventional rather than just looking for something 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:17.820 to magic bullet, solve it for you. Just, you 00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:19.360 know, use some of these things, fill the gaps 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.190 and, and work on it. But you've got two areas 00:36:22.190 --> 00:36:24.210 in your business that you get big gain. The one 00:36:24.210 --> 00:36:26.949 is you. So most people don't do any training 00:36:26.949 --> 00:36:29.849 for themselves and the other one's the team. 00:36:30.550 --> 00:36:33.289 How can you get people more involved, more actors 00:36:33.289 --> 00:36:37.289 and work together? If you feel good about yourself, 00:36:37.369 --> 00:36:40.250 you're going to be a better employee. Just going 00:36:40.250 --> 00:36:44.590 to be better. Less stale and just better. Very 00:36:44.590 --> 00:36:48.590 good. All right. We'll wrap it up there and we 00:36:48.590 --> 00:36:51.670 will catch you all on the next podcast. Cool. 00:36:52.010 --> 00:36:52.250 Bye.