1 00:00:01,501 --> 00:00:03,203 And now America's 2 00:00:03,203 --> 00:00:06,206 Healthcare Advocate, Cary Hall. 3 00:00:06,339 --> 00:00:07,073 Hello, America. 4 00:00:07,073 --> 00:00:08,742 Welcome to America's Healthcare Advocate. 5 00:00:08,742 --> 00:00:11,745 Show broadcasting coast to coast across the USA. 6 00:00:11,745 --> 00:00:15,281 Here on the HIA Radio Network, you can find out more about us 7 00:00:15,281 --> 00:00:18,385 by going to the website AmericasHealthcareAdvocate.com. 8 00:00:18,585 --> 00:00:20,387 Also our YouTube channel. 9 00:00:20,387 --> 00:00:22,322 Almost half a million views up there now. 10 00:00:22,322 --> 00:00:26,359 So we appreciate all of you out there who go up on YouTube and follow our show. 11 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,630 And in addition to that, your your favorite podcast channel, 12 00:00:30,630 --> 00:00:31,531 whatever it might be. 13 00:00:31,531 --> 00:00:34,401 SoundCloud, Rumble, Spotify, we're on system. 14 00:00:34,401 --> 00:00:36,236 All the shows are up there as well. 15 00:00:36,236 --> 00:00:39,005 Also, if you are chronologically challenged 16 00:00:39,005 --> 00:00:42,108 or if you are looking for ACA, 17 00:00:42,142 --> 00:00:46,579 there's going to be major changes in this market this year on the ACA. 18 00:00:46,579 --> 00:00:49,215 In the Medicare plans, you need to talk to somebody. 19 00:00:49,215 --> 00:00:54,921 I'm going to suggest you call Carolee Steele that 877-385-2224. 20 00:00:55,088 --> 00:00:57,457 She's over at RPS Benefits by Design. 21 00:00:57,457 --> 00:01:00,460 She is a certified expert in Medicare and ACA, 22 00:01:00,593 --> 00:01:02,796 and she can help you anywhere in the country. 23 00:01:02,796 --> 00:01:05,398 There going to be some big increases, some plan changes. 24 00:01:05,398 --> 00:01:06,332 All the rest of it. 25 00:01:06,332 --> 00:01:11,438 If you need help, give her a call at 877-385-2224. 26 00:01:11,638 --> 00:01:13,206 And if you're an employer. 27 00:01:13,206 --> 00:01:16,209 We were just talking about this with Dave before we went on the air. 28 00:01:16,276 --> 00:01:20,013 And you're one of these small, employers under 50 lives, 29 00:01:20,013 --> 00:01:22,382 and you're getting hit with big premium increases, 30 00:01:22,382 --> 00:01:25,251 and there are going to be big premium increases this year. 31 00:01:25,251 --> 00:01:29,189 Maria Ahlers can help you see some of these alternative plans that are out there 32 00:01:29,422 --> 00:01:33,960 that can get these costs in line 877-385-2224. 33 00:01:34,027 --> 00:01:34,394 All right. 34 00:01:34,394 --> 00:01:35,361 This show. 35 00:01:35,361 --> 00:01:38,031 I've wanted to do this show for a long time. 36 00:01:38,031 --> 00:01:39,532 It's personal to me. 37 00:01:39,532 --> 00:01:42,769 This is on what I call the big four weight loss drugs. 38 00:01:43,369 --> 00:01:47,107 Ozempic, Wegovy, Zepbound and Mountjaro. 39 00:01:47,140 --> 00:01:47,907 Okay. 40 00:01:47,907 --> 00:01:49,509 And the reason I wanted to do this 41 00:01:49,509 --> 00:01:52,512 show was because I was struggling with some weight issues. 42 00:01:52,979 --> 00:01:55,715 And, went to a first of all, I would see 43 00:01:55,715 --> 00:01:58,718 my primary care doc, and she goes, well, let's just go ahead and give you Wegovy. 44 00:01:59,519 --> 00:02:00,653 Oh, okay. 45 00:02:00,653 --> 00:02:04,257 And then, of course, I went and found out that cost $1,100 a month. 46 00:02:04,991 --> 00:02:06,893 That kind of chilled me a little bit. 47 00:02:06,893 --> 00:02:09,729 And I thought, you know, I think I'm going to go find a weight loss clinic. 48 00:02:09,729 --> 00:02:12,832 I'm going to I'm going to go get into a program and see what I could do. 49 00:02:12,832 --> 00:02:15,835 And I did, and I think I've talked about this before. 50 00:02:15,835 --> 00:02:20,340 I went on metformin for about six months and changed my diet around, 51 00:02:21,541 --> 00:02:24,911 went from 250 to 235 and I'm holding about 235. 52 00:02:24,911 --> 00:02:27,914 I probably should get down another 10 pounds, but 53 00:02:28,047 --> 00:02:30,183 that's going to be the hardest one to do. 54 00:02:30,183 --> 00:02:35,421 I was very tempted, okay, to use one of these drugs because it's instantaneous. 55 00:02:35,655 --> 00:02:38,358 You start using it, you start shedding pounds. 56 00:02:38,358 --> 00:02:42,128 Well, I started doing a little research, started looking around, and I'm like, 57 00:02:42,128 --> 00:02:43,730 you know what? 58 00:02:43,730 --> 00:02:45,732 We don't know what. We don't know. 59 00:02:45,732 --> 00:02:50,570 And it gave me, some significant hesitation about doing this. 60 00:02:50,603 --> 00:02:53,606 So this show today is about that. 61 00:02:53,873 --> 00:02:55,742 It's about what do we know? 62 00:02:55,742 --> 00:02:56,943 What don't we know? 63 00:02:56,943 --> 00:02:59,913 What do we know that are side effects, potential problems 64 00:02:59,913 --> 00:03:03,550 down the road for other kinds of diseases, comorbidities. 65 00:03:03,550 --> 00:03:05,485 And I'm going to talk about that. Okay. 66 00:03:05,485 --> 00:03:07,654 What do we know in the short term 67 00:03:07,654 --> 00:03:09,489 are the issues that you're going to have to deal with 68 00:03:09,489 --> 00:03:12,125 if you take all of these drugs? Here's the other thing. 69 00:03:12,125 --> 00:03:15,528 I can't even count on two hands. 70 00:03:15,862 --> 00:03:18,865 The number of friends I have who are taking these medications. 71 00:03:18,898 --> 00:03:22,502 Look, I'm not saying that you shouldn't take them or they're bad for you. 72 00:03:22,535 --> 00:03:26,773 What I am saying is people need to understand what they're doing, 73 00:03:27,073 --> 00:03:28,541 and you're not necessarily. 74 00:03:28,541 --> 00:03:30,710 I didn't hear it from my primary care doc. 75 00:03:30,710 --> 00:03:35,448 She didn't say anything to me about possible issues going down the road. 76 00:03:35,915 --> 00:03:38,251 What could the comorbidities be? None of that. 77 00:03:38,251 --> 00:03:40,787 So I decided to do it. Do this show. 78 00:03:40,787 --> 00:03:43,790 And bring some of this to your attention. 79 00:03:44,190 --> 00:03:47,160 So these blockbuster weight loss drugs 80 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,029 work by slowing stomach emptying. 81 00:03:50,029 --> 00:03:50,763 That's what they work. 82 00:03:50,763 --> 00:03:53,766 They they alter the gut hormone signaling. 83 00:03:53,967 --> 00:03:56,502 It's time to empty your stomach. Okay? 84 00:03:56,502 --> 00:03:57,570 That's what they do. 85 00:03:57,570 --> 00:04:01,007 So it's really as simple as that. 86 00:04:01,274 --> 00:04:03,843 They're slowing down the digestive process. 87 00:04:03,843 --> 00:04:05,678 They deliver large short-term weight loss. 88 00:04:05,678 --> 00:04:10,183 But the problem is the safety warnings and the knowledge gaps are significant. 89 00:04:10,216 --> 00:04:11,918 So that's what we're going to talk about. 90 00:04:11,918 --> 00:04:15,355 So what happens when you take these drugs long term. 91 00:04:15,388 --> 00:04:18,391 Well here's part of the problem. 92 00:04:18,725 --> 00:04:22,829 The studies that have been done on Wegovy, which is about 3.3 years, 93 00:04:23,096 --> 00:04:26,132 they lack the decade long studies 94 00:04:26,132 --> 00:04:29,702 that we typically use when we're grading how a drug works. 95 00:04:29,702 --> 00:04:32,005 So we're talking about how does it affect the organs. 96 00:04:32,005 --> 00:04:35,008 What kind of cancers could it possibly cause? 97 00:04:35,141 --> 00:04:37,477 What are the neuropsychiatric side effects? 98 00:04:37,477 --> 00:04:39,545 Now that was something I never even thought of. 99 00:04:39,545 --> 00:04:40,680 Well guess what? 100 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,017 There are some neuropsychiatric side effects from this medication. 101 00:04:44,017 --> 00:04:48,321 There can be for certain people, and these are outcomes in non-diabetic users. 102 00:04:48,855 --> 00:04:50,957 The New England Journal of Medicine is saying. 103 00:04:50,957 --> 00:04:53,293 We typically do this for ten years. 104 00:04:53,293 --> 00:04:55,161 Well, we've only had these for 2 or 3 years. 105 00:04:55,161 --> 00:04:58,564 So again, you know, the unknown risks. 106 00:04:58,564 --> 00:05:00,166 What are they. 107 00:05:00,166 --> 00:05:04,470 And then we how do we balance that with the need for this medication. 108 00:05:04,504 --> 00:05:08,808 You know, it's funny in this country, that I'm sure you all will understand 109 00:05:08,808 --> 00:05:11,911 this. We like instantaneous gratification. 110 00:05:12,278 --> 00:05:16,516 All these three, these four drugs, they will give you instantaneous 111 00:05:16,516 --> 00:05:17,717 gratification. 112 00:05:17,717 --> 00:05:22,755 The question becomes, now what does long term use look like? 113 00:05:23,022 --> 00:05:24,957 How effective are they in the long term. 114 00:05:24,957 --> 00:05:27,026 And then what are the side effects. 115 00:05:27,026 --> 00:05:29,462 What are the issues that you're going to deal with. 116 00:05:29,462 --> 00:05:34,334 So long term is, you know, randomized data for patients 1 to 2 years. 117 00:05:34,534 --> 00:05:38,638 The largest cardiovascular outcome trials with Wegovy, 118 00:05:39,105 --> 00:05:43,009 followed patients a medium of 3.3 years, far from the 10 119 00:05:43,009 --> 00:05:46,779 to 20 years, on the horizon that people typically care about. 120 00:05:46,813 --> 00:05:50,350 So right there, they did a study 3.3 years. 121 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:52,919 This was limited to how it was going to affect 122 00:05:52,919 --> 00:05:56,589 cardiovascular issues, but it only went for 3.3 years. 123 00:05:56,823 --> 00:05:59,859 Well, typical studies would come out for these things, 124 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,697 are ten years, to give you a clear understanding of what the effects of that 125 00:06:04,697 --> 00:06:07,867 particular medication are going forward and how they're going to affect you. 126 00:06:07,867 --> 00:06:13,005 So what I'm showing here is we have a very short window of data to deal with. 127 00:06:13,606 --> 00:06:17,477 And that window of data doesn't tell us enough to know 128 00:06:17,643 --> 00:06:21,280 in some cases, what are the long term effects of these medications. 129 00:06:22,081 --> 00:06:25,952 The other problem is typically after you stop these drugs like, Wegovy, 130 00:06:27,186 --> 00:06:28,254 two thirds of the 131 00:06:28,254 --> 00:06:31,858 people that had weight loss gained it back. 132 00:06:32,225 --> 00:06:32,558 All right. 133 00:06:32,558 --> 00:06:35,795 So now we're into what I call the Yo-Yo effect. 134 00:06:35,995 --> 00:06:38,831 This is the problem that many, 135 00:06:38,831 --> 00:06:42,702 many of the weight loss programs, weight loss drugs. 136 00:06:42,702 --> 00:06:45,872 You know, before these drugs came out, there were a host of other programs. 137 00:06:46,072 --> 00:06:50,643 Weight Watchers, go down the list, and you have people go on these diets 138 00:06:50,643 --> 00:06:53,513 and they go on these programs, and they work. 139 00:06:53,513 --> 00:06:55,114 And then they yo yo back up. 140 00:06:55,114 --> 00:06:58,251 Well, the problem with this medication is right, 141 00:06:58,284 --> 00:07:00,753 that if you go off of it, two thirds of the people 142 00:07:00,753 --> 00:07:03,756 after they went off, it started gaining the weight back. 143 00:07:03,990 --> 00:07:08,694 So what happens then with weight loss versus continued use? 144 00:07:08,694 --> 00:07:11,764 What happens if you continue to use this drug 145 00:07:12,064 --> 00:07:15,535 for not one year, but two years, three years, four years, five years? 146 00:07:15,735 --> 00:07:18,538 How long can you do this 147 00:07:18,538 --> 00:07:22,008 without incurring significant risk down the road? 148 00:07:22,141 --> 00:07:24,243 For some of the things we're going to talk about today. 149 00:07:24,243 --> 00:07:27,246 Damage to your organs? Cancer? 150 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,582 These psychiatric issues. 151 00:07:29,582 --> 00:07:31,217 There are a host of things like this. 152 00:07:31,217 --> 00:07:32,452 Thyroid issues. 153 00:07:32,452 --> 00:07:36,122 We're going to talk about all that and try to get information out to you 154 00:07:36,122 --> 00:07:37,323 so that you understand. 155 00:07:37,323 --> 00:07:40,460 Once again, I'm not saying that these drugs aren't safe. 156 00:07:40,460 --> 00:07:42,361 The FDA has approved them. 157 00:07:42,361 --> 00:07:45,731 But I am saying that there's not enough information out there. 158 00:07:45,731 --> 00:07:51,370 And the reason I chose not to use the medication was just that. 159 00:07:51,971 --> 00:07:56,642 I didn't need to open up an opportunity for other long term problems for me. 160 00:07:56,642 --> 00:07:59,612 I'm already in the Agent Orange program. I've talked about this before. 161 00:07:59,612 --> 00:08:02,615 I certainly didn't want to do anything to compound that issue. 162 00:08:02,682 --> 00:08:06,285 So what we're trying to do today basically, is go through this and talk 163 00:08:06,285 --> 00:08:11,190 about how these medications affect people, what are the side effects, 164 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:14,494 what do they do for people that have other comorbidity issues? 165 00:08:14,694 --> 00:08:16,796 When we come back from the break we’re going to talk about that. 166 00:08:16,796 --> 00:08:20,566 We'll talk about IBS, we'll talk about Crohn's and we'll talk about colitis. 167 00:08:20,566 --> 00:08:22,301 And do they impact those things? 168 00:08:22,301 --> 00:08:25,304 Remember you're dealing with your gut health here. 169 00:08:25,304 --> 00:08:27,073 When you take this medication. 170 00:08:27,073 --> 00:08:32,578 That has a lot to do with how you feel, how you function and your overall health. 171 00:08:32,712 --> 00:08:34,881 So when you start playing around with your gut health, 172 00:08:34,881 --> 00:08:38,184 by slowing down this digestive process, what happens 173 00:08:38,417 --> 00:08:41,020 and what are the side effects, what occurs after you do all that? 174 00:08:41,020 --> 00:08:43,589 So, when we come back from the break. We'll get into some of that. 175 00:08:43,589 --> 00:08:45,925 We'll talk about very specific things, 176 00:08:45,925 --> 00:08:50,930 that these four medications can cause and do cause in people to use them. 177 00:08:51,130 --> 00:08:52,932 Stay tuned. We'll be right back after the break. 178 00:08:52,932 --> 00:08:55,768 You're listening to America's Healthcare Advocate 179 00:08:55,768 --> 00:08:58,771 broadcasting here on the HIA Radio Network. 180 00:08:58,938 --> 00:09:01,007 Coast to coast across the USA. 181 00:09:01,007 --> 00:09:02,808 We'll be back with more. Stay right there. 182 00:09:14,754 --> 00:09:16,923 Welcome back to America's Healthcare Advocate 183 00:09:16,923 --> 00:09:19,992 show broadcasting coast to coast across the USA. 184 00:09:20,192 --> 00:09:22,094 Here on the HIA Radio Network. 185 00:09:22,094 --> 00:09:22,695 You can find out 186 00:09:22,695 --> 00:09:26,566 more about us by going to the website America's Healthcare Advocate.com. 187 00:09:26,666 --> 00:09:30,136 All these shows are posted up on the YouTube, on the website, 188 00:09:30,503 --> 00:09:31,904 and all the podcast platforms. 189 00:09:31,904 --> 00:09:33,573 So maybe you're considering this. 190 00:09:33,573 --> 00:09:35,041 Somebody in your family is. 191 00:09:35,041 --> 00:09:38,678 You might want to have a list of this and kind of learn what the problems are, 192 00:09:38,844 --> 00:09:43,416 what the exposure is for taking these four medications. 193 00:09:43,683 --> 00:09:44,884 So let's keep going. 194 00:09:44,884 --> 00:09:47,486 Switching from Wegovy to a placebo. 195 00:09:47,486 --> 00:09:51,591 Weight gain versus continued loss if the treatment continued. 196 00:09:51,857 --> 00:09:55,461 This suggests many patients are going to need ongoing therapy 197 00:09:55,461 --> 00:09:56,596 to maintain the benefits. 198 00:09:56,596 --> 00:10:00,633 Meaning when they went to the placebo, they started gaining weight again. 199 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:01,500 All right. 200 00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:04,103 So short term they work. 201 00:10:04,103 --> 00:10:05,104 Long term? 202 00:10:05,104 --> 00:10:06,172 We're going to talk about that. 203 00:10:06,172 --> 00:10:08,641 Can you keep taking these things forever. 204 00:10:08,641 --> 00:10:11,811 Do you have to stop, regroup or change meds. 205 00:10:11,811 --> 00:10:14,747 Suicidal thoughts. This is under review right now. 206 00:10:14,747 --> 00:10:17,850 There is no casual link to date. 207 00:10:17,883 --> 00:10:21,420 However, the FDA's 2024 review reports 208 00:10:21,420 --> 00:10:24,890 did not find evidence that the drugs cause suicidal thought. 209 00:10:24,890 --> 00:10:28,995 But the monitoring continues in a large 2025 study. 210 00:10:29,228 --> 00:10:33,499 They also found that no increased risk versus the medication. 211 00:10:33,499 --> 00:10:36,969 So right now the issues regarding your mental health, 212 00:10:37,470 --> 00:10:40,606 they're saying this is not having any long term effects. 213 00:10:40,773 --> 00:10:42,975 They haven't seen it. But remember what I said. 214 00:10:42,975 --> 00:10:46,178 They only got two years three years worth of data here to study. 215 00:10:46,178 --> 00:10:47,480 So they don't know. 216 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,347 All right. 217 00:10:48,347 --> 00:10:50,282 They're monitoring. That's a good deal. 218 00:10:50,282 --> 00:10:53,452 Here's where I think it really gets to be significant: 219 00:10:53,786 --> 00:10:56,656 Gastrointestinal complications. 220 00:10:56,656 --> 00:10:58,858 So this is an issue. 221 00:10:58,858 --> 00:11:01,861 A study: “higher risks” of listen to this 222 00:11:02,028 --> 00:11:05,865 pancreatitis, bowel obstruction and gastroparesis. 223 00:11:06,265 --> 00:11:08,701 And what that is that's IBS. 224 00:11:08,701 --> 00:11:10,136 That's Crohn's and colitis. 225 00:11:10,136 --> 00:11:11,370 That's what that is. 226 00:11:11,370 --> 00:11:13,973 Okay. That's a large word for those three things. 227 00:11:13,973 --> 00:11:17,777 So you know if you've got Crohn's or you've got IBS. 228 00:11:17,777 --> 00:11:19,245 I have friends that have it. 229 00:11:19,245 --> 00:11:22,248 My wife has ongoing issues with it from time to time. 230 00:11:22,481 --> 00:11:26,285 What they're saying here is you've got a significant risk here. 231 00:11:26,552 --> 00:11:29,455 Higher risk that you're going to irritate that and make it worse. 232 00:11:29,455 --> 00:11:31,057 So that's one of the side effects. 233 00:11:31,057 --> 00:11:32,725 Here's another one. 234 00:11:32,725 --> 00:11:36,829 What they've noticed in thyroids with Wegovy and Zebound 235 00:11:37,129 --> 00:11:40,132 is that there's a warning with the medication that says 236 00:11:40,199 --> 00:11:43,736 they are producing thyroid C-cell tumors in rodents. 237 00:11:44,370 --> 00:11:46,972 Well, okay. 238 00:11:46,972 --> 00:11:48,574 It's in rodents, right. 239 00:11:48,574 --> 00:11:50,710 But typically, where do they test these kind of things? 240 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:54,980 Well, they test them short-term, obviously in rats, in mice and all the rest of it. 241 00:11:55,114 --> 00:11:58,117 And what they're finding is that it's impacting in the thyroid. 242 00:11:58,117 --> 00:12:01,487 So now, you know, you add to the gastrointestinal 243 00:12:01,754 --> 00:12:03,823 this piece of the thyroid. 244 00:12:03,823 --> 00:12:06,992 And now we're talking about some significant risk. 245 00:12:06,992 --> 00:12:10,930 In my mind that would be a deterrent for me wanting to take these meds because 246 00:12:11,464 --> 00:12:12,331 that's a 247 00:12:13,332 --> 00:12:15,301 problem you don't need to have. 248 00:12:15,301 --> 00:12:18,270 So decade long safety data are lacking. 249 00:12:18,871 --> 00:12:22,742 And so the problem is weight often returns after you stop using it. 250 00:12:23,375 --> 00:12:26,345 That then becomes, 251 00:12:26,345 --> 00:12:27,680 you're going to have chronic use. 252 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:29,482 Are you going to have to use it continually. 253 00:12:29,482 --> 00:12:33,753 And then where does that fall when we're talking about these other issues 254 00:12:34,019 --> 00:12:37,523 that could be a result of this medication long term. 255 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:41,761 Once again the suicide issue has not been found to be significant. 256 00:12:41,761 --> 00:12:44,864 But they are observing signals, that caution. 257 00:12:44,864 --> 00:12:49,602 And they're advising doctors, specialists to be careful with these medications 258 00:12:49,802 --> 00:12:52,838 because they do cause issues for people that have, 259 00:12:53,906 --> 00:12:57,276 IBS, Crohn's, colitis, and they can affect it. 260 00:12:57,576 --> 00:13:00,246 Another issue, obviously, on this cancer thing. 261 00:13:00,246 --> 00:13:04,083 So the cancer warning, it reflects cancer. 262 00:13:04,750 --> 00:13:08,053 They're finding cancer in these animals 263 00:13:08,454 --> 00:13:11,457 when they give them these medications over a period of time. 264 00:13:11,490 --> 00:13:15,127 So what does that mean to you if your thyroid, 265 00:13:15,161 --> 00:13:17,463 you have cancer in your thyroid? 266 00:13:17,463 --> 00:13:21,467 I've had many people that were clients of mine over the years on the insurance side 267 00:13:21,734 --> 00:13:23,869 that had these issues. And it can be very difficult. 268 00:13:23,869 --> 00:13:25,271 There’s surgeries involved. 269 00:13:25,271 --> 00:13:28,274 There's radiation, there's chemo, there's all these things that, 270 00:13:28,641 --> 00:13:31,844 literally change how someone lives because your thyroid 271 00:13:31,844 --> 00:13:33,145 has been significantly damaged. 272 00:13:33,145 --> 00:13:34,680 So, you know, again, 273 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:38,450 what I find interesting about this, I love my doctor, my primary care doc. 274 00:13:38,450 --> 00:13:39,852 She's amazing. Okay. 275 00:13:39,852 --> 00:13:41,821 But we didn't talk about any of this. 276 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:44,657 Not okay. There was no mention of it. 277 00:13:44,657 --> 00:13:47,459 It was like, okay, here you know, 278 00:13:47,459 --> 00:13:50,462 you want to try this medication? 279 00:13:50,496 --> 00:13:52,131 It'll certainly help you lose the weight. 280 00:13:52,131 --> 00:13:55,301 So you know that's the issue now. 281 00:13:55,467 --> 00:13:56,735 All right. 282 00:13:56,735 --> 00:14:00,139 What we don't again, as I’ve been saying earlier, 283 00:14:00,272 --> 00:14:04,443 we don’t know what we don't know, and the FDA doesn't know, all right? 284 00:14:04,443 --> 00:14:07,713 And doctors are not necessarily putting an emphasis on this. 285 00:14:07,980 --> 00:14:11,450 But if you're the person that goes in and you get the med. 286 00:14:11,450 --> 00:14:16,121 And you've got IBS or you've got Crohn's, you got ulcerative colitis 287 00:14:16,322 --> 00:14:20,326 and you start taking this and all of a sudden you start getting very, very sick. 288 00:14:20,659 --> 00:14:24,363 That means that this medication is what's causing that issue. 289 00:14:24,530 --> 00:14:27,766 Again, you know, you go in and you get your thyroid checked. 290 00:14:27,766 --> 00:14:30,369 When you get a physical, they check your thyroid. 291 00:14:30,369 --> 00:14:33,372 Well, all of a sudden your thyroid is out of whack. 292 00:14:33,539 --> 00:14:35,741 And they want to put you on a medication for thyroid. 293 00:14:35,741 --> 00:14:39,545 Is somebody going to make a link between, oh, I'm taking Wegovy 294 00:14:39,845 --> 00:14:42,681 or I'm taking Zepbound or, you know, whatever it is. 295 00:14:44,149 --> 00:14:47,353 And, and perhaps that's causing this problem. 296 00:14:47,586 --> 00:14:51,156 So that's where you kind of have to be your own advocate, 297 00:14:51,490 --> 00:14:54,860 which is what I kind of did whenever I was looking at doing this. 298 00:14:55,227 --> 00:14:59,431 I didn't want to take these meds until I knew what I was getting into. 299 00:15:00,099 --> 00:15:04,270 And this is what I discovered after I did the research and looked around 300 00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:05,671 and all of these sources. 301 00:15:05,671 --> 00:15:09,108 By the way, when we post these podcasts, we put all the sources 302 00:15:09,308 --> 00:15:10,776 where we're getting this stuff from. 303 00:15:10,776 --> 00:15:13,846 So whether it's New England Journal, medicine or the FDA 304 00:15:14,013 --> 00:15:17,049 or US Food and Drug Administration, we put all that information up there. 305 00:15:17,049 --> 00:15:21,120 So what I'm giving you here is actual data and information, 306 00:15:21,620 --> 00:15:26,091 from these the government, entities that are tracking this 307 00:15:26,325 --> 00:15:30,129 and entities like the New England Journal of Medicine, etc., etc., 308 00:15:30,129 --> 00:15:31,463 who've actually looked into this. 309 00:15:31,463 --> 00:15:34,133 And so we're kind of like what I said. 310 00:15:34,133 --> 00:15:34,633 We don't know. 311 00:15:34,633 --> 00:15:35,134 We don't know. 312 00:15:35,134 --> 00:15:37,169 We know that there are issues surrounding this. 313 00:15:37,169 --> 00:15:39,038 We know what some of those issues are. 314 00:15:39,038 --> 00:15:40,773 When I come back from the break 315 00:15:40,773 --> 00:15:43,742 now we're going to talk about so where do we go from here? 316 00:15:43,809 --> 00:15:45,110 What does this mean. 317 00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:47,446 All right. Can you should you keep doing this. 318 00:15:47,446 --> 00:15:52,718 Or maybe you need to start looking at is this a smart way to move? 319 00:15:52,851 --> 00:15:55,020 I mean, you look at Oprah Winfrey. 320 00:15:55,020 --> 00:15:57,823 She swears by this now. She's finally lost weight. 321 00:15:57,823 --> 00:16:00,492 She's able to keep it off. She's not doing it on Weight Watchers. 322 00:16:00,492 --> 00:16:02,695 You know what is? That's great. 323 00:16:02,695 --> 00:16:05,097 But what's she gonna look like in five years? 324 00:16:05,097 --> 00:16:07,533 Six years, seven years, eight years, nine years, ten years? 325 00:16:07,533 --> 00:16:11,570 And is she going to get sick long term from using these medications? 326 00:16:11,570 --> 00:16:14,173 Is she going to have a thyroid cancer issue? 327 00:16:14,173 --> 00:16:16,976 You know, is she going to have another gastrointestinal issue? 328 00:16:16,976 --> 00:16:21,046 They haven't said anything about cancer links to this as far as gastrointestinal. 329 00:16:21,313 --> 00:16:23,949 That's going to be another question down the road. It has to be. 330 00:16:23,949 --> 00:16:24,450 All right. 331 00:16:24,450 --> 00:16:25,384 So when we come back from the break. 332 00:16:25,384 --> 00:16:25,951 We'll talk about 333 00:16:25,951 --> 00:16:29,855 where do we go from here, and what's safe and what's not safe to do. 334 00:16:29,989 --> 00:16:31,924 Stay tuned. We'll be right back after the break. 335 00:16:31,924 --> 00:16:33,325 You're listening to America's 336 00:16:33,325 --> 00:16:36,829 Healthcare Advocate, broadcasting on the HIA Radio Network. 337 00:16:37,062 --> 00:16:39,031 Coast to coast across the USA. 338 00:16:39,031 --> 00:16:40,232 We'll be right back with more. 339 00:16:51,577 --> 00:16:52,344 Welcome back. 340 00:16:52,344 --> 00:16:53,912 You're listening to America's Healthcare 341 00:16:53,912 --> 00:16:57,449 Advocate Show, broadcasting coast to coast across the USA. 342 00:16:57,683 --> 00:16:59,651 Here on the HIA Radio Network. 343 00:16:59,651 --> 00:17:02,087 You can find out more about us by going to our website. 344 00:17:02,087 --> 00:17:04,790 AmericasHealthcareAdvocate.com. 345 00:17:04,790 --> 00:17:08,060 A little shout out to our affiliate in Topeka, 346 00:17:08,060 --> 00:17:11,797 Kansas, KMAJ 1440 The Big Talker. 347 00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:14,466 We are on Saturday mornings at 10:30am. 348 00:17:14,466 --> 00:17:18,504 Very happy to be on in Topeka, Kansas, the capital of the state of Kansas. 349 00:17:18,871 --> 00:17:20,873 All right, so let's continue talking. 350 00:17:20,873 --> 00:17:23,475 So, here we see that stopping 351 00:17:23,475 --> 00:17:26,712 these drugs often time leads to weight regain. 352 00:17:26,745 --> 00:17:30,916 So with Wegovy, two thirds of the weight that was lost 353 00:17:30,916 --> 00:17:34,253 was regained after they stopped using Wegovy. 354 00:17:34,253 --> 00:17:35,220 For one year. 355 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:35,821 All right. 356 00:17:35,821 --> 00:17:39,691 So with Zepbound, they gained substantial weight. 357 00:17:40,292 --> 00:17:44,530 In fact, they gained more than they had lost when they stopped using it. 358 00:17:44,696 --> 00:17:47,699 So this is to the what I call the Yo-Yo effect. 359 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:49,134 Short term? 360 00:17:49,134 --> 00:17:50,702 Yes. Long term. 361 00:17:50,702 --> 00:17:52,604 How do you treat that? 362 00:17:52,604 --> 00:17:56,308 Then it becomes a chronic issue, meaning you're going to repeat using that over 363 00:17:56,308 --> 00:17:56,942 and over again. 364 00:17:56,942 --> 00:18:01,747 Look, if you're morbidly obese and you've got all these other comorbidity 365 00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:04,783 issues, you're a type one diabetic, you're a type two diabetic, 366 00:18:05,050 --> 00:18:06,285 and you've got heart issues. 367 00:18:06,285 --> 00:18:09,388 You've got joint issues because you're carrying all this extra weight around. 368 00:18:10,222 --> 00:18:13,225 This is a great short term solution. 369 00:18:13,258 --> 00:18:15,561 The question is then where do you go from there. 370 00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:19,198 It seems to me that 371 00:18:19,198 --> 00:18:22,234 if you're going to do this, what you need to do is you go on the med 372 00:18:22,468 --> 00:18:25,471 and then you get into a program somewhere like, 373 00:18:25,604 --> 00:18:28,774 you know, the old, weight loss programs that are out there. 374 00:18:28,774 --> 00:18:32,111 You go to a client that specializes in this stuff, and then how, 375 00:18:32,711 --> 00:18:35,581 how do I start changing my habits 376 00:18:35,581 --> 00:18:38,584 so that taking this made a difference and now I can maintain it? 377 00:18:39,418 --> 00:18:43,555 That seems to me to be the logical approach. 378 00:18:43,555 --> 00:18:46,558 But again, if you're somebody that's morbidly obese 379 00:18:46,592 --> 00:18:50,329 and you're suffering with co-morbidity issues, with heart attack, heart, 380 00:18:50,896 --> 00:18:54,533 high blood pressure, cholesterol, you've got joint problems. 381 00:18:54,766 --> 00:18:57,302 Knee replacements, hip replacements, all of that. 382 00:18:57,302 --> 00:18:59,972 Yes, you definitely will find benefit in this. 383 00:18:59,972 --> 00:19:02,341 And does that offset the risk? 384 00:19:02,341 --> 00:19:05,410 More than likely for someone in that situation it does. 385 00:19:05,444 --> 00:19:10,115 If you're taking this to lose 10 pounds or 15 pounds, that's vanity. 386 00:19:10,949 --> 00:19:12,684 I mean that's really what it amounts to. 387 00:19:12,684 --> 00:19:13,252 All right. 388 00:19:13,252 --> 00:19:15,587 That can be done through diet and exercise. 389 00:19:15,587 --> 00:19:18,590 But for people that seriously need this medication. 390 00:19:18,891 --> 00:19:22,628 It certainly does make a difference in their lives. 391 00:19:22,628 --> 00:19:24,530 It could certainly help. But, let's keep going. 392 00:19:24,530 --> 00:19:28,200 So one of the other things they found out is a delay in gastric 393 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,070 emptying now causes issues with pulmonary aspiration. 394 00:19:32,337 --> 00:19:35,974 So they don't basically want you having surgery 395 00:19:35,974 --> 00:19:39,511 where you're going to go under a general anesthetic if you haven't 396 00:19:39,511 --> 00:19:43,448 stopped taking this for at least 24 hours and gone on a liquid diet. 397 00:19:43,649 --> 00:19:44,683 So there's another issue. 398 00:19:44,683 --> 00:19:49,221 And that's really kind of funny, because, Laurie just had a procedure here 399 00:19:49,221 --> 00:19:52,157 not very long ago, and now she's thin and she's tall. 400 00:19:52,157 --> 00:19:56,828 But nobody asked about whether you had when the anesthesiologist came in. 401 00:19:56,828 --> 00:19:58,063 I just remember this. 402 00:19:58,063 --> 00:20:00,832 Nobody asked if you were taking these meds. 403 00:20:00,832 --> 00:20:05,737 Which could cause, an aspiration risk, while you were under 404 00:20:05,737 --> 00:20:07,005 the general anesthetic. 405 00:20:07,005 --> 00:20:09,374 So I thought that was kind of interesting. 406 00:20:09,374 --> 00:20:10,275 The GI events. 407 00:20:10,275 --> 00:20:13,278 So once again, they're talking about obstruction, 408 00:20:13,345 --> 00:20:16,815 gastroparesis, which is Crohn's, you know, IBS, 409 00:20:17,749 --> 00:20:21,453 ulcerative colitis, that that comes from the Journal of American Medicine. 410 00:20:22,087 --> 00:20:27,259 And they are they say they are debating this issue, but it's definitely out there. 411 00:20:27,326 --> 00:20:29,294 They're definitely saying that it's there. 412 00:20:29,294 --> 00:20:31,830 It's one of those things that has to be evaluated. 413 00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:35,267 The warning again, you know, on the C-cell for the thyroid 414 00:20:35,267 --> 00:20:38,770 that is actually in the material you get when you take the medication. 415 00:20:38,971 --> 00:20:42,441 So there is a warning, on the issue 416 00:20:42,441 --> 00:20:46,578 of taking the medication and the risk it does to your thyroid. 417 00:20:46,578 --> 00:20:49,581 On the gallbladder disease and pancreatitis. 418 00:20:49,781 --> 00:20:54,786 That's also now an actual warning that comes with the medication. 419 00:20:54,786 --> 00:20:56,955 So while they're debating it, 420 00:20:56,955 --> 00:20:59,391 they're making you aware that there's definitely an issue there. 421 00:20:59,391 --> 00:21:02,761 And it's something that you need to think about and something 422 00:21:02,761 --> 00:21:05,897 you need to look into if you're going to take these medications. 423 00:21:05,897 --> 00:21:10,602 So here's some other issues that and this surprised me because I didn't know it. 424 00:21:10,602 --> 00:21:15,474 There's a green list of sources that these medications can come from. 425 00:21:15,507 --> 00:21:19,077 There's a couple here that I don't have a problem with Belgium and Canada, 426 00:21:19,511 --> 00:21:22,147 but they're also China and India on here. 427 00:21:22,147 --> 00:21:24,449 And I will tell you this straight up, 428 00:21:24,449 --> 00:21:27,152 if I were going to take one of these medications, 429 00:21:27,152 --> 00:21:30,222 I would make damn sure it wasn't coming from China or India. 430 00:21:30,489 --> 00:21:31,657 All right. 431 00:21:31,657 --> 00:21:34,826 You know, we know for a fact that the Chinese cut corners. 432 00:21:34,826 --> 00:21:36,328 They play games. 433 00:21:36,328 --> 00:21:39,231 They don't do things the way they're supposed to do them. 434 00:21:39,231 --> 00:21:42,668 There's no way on God's green earth that I know I'm going to hear it. 435 00:21:42,668 --> 00:21:45,671 Well, we get a lot of the generic medications from China. 436 00:21:45,671 --> 00:21:47,205 I know we do. Okay. 437 00:21:47,205 --> 00:21:50,208 And it's a deep concern. I don't know why. 438 00:21:50,275 --> 00:21:53,879 I know that there's a move now in the Trump 439 00:21:53,879 --> 00:21:55,314 administration to get away from that. 440 00:21:55,314 --> 00:21:57,649 But it's been like that for years. 441 00:21:57,649 --> 00:21:58,650 And it's definitely a problem. 442 00:21:58,650 --> 00:22:01,820 But I certainly would be concerned about taking any 443 00:22:01,820 --> 00:22:04,823 one of these four medications if they came from China. 444 00:22:05,691 --> 00:22:09,127 You know, they're also talking about compound pharmacies here. 445 00:22:09,761 --> 00:22:13,665 And what kind of an issue that presents, because we have these pharmacies 446 00:22:13,665 --> 00:22:14,166 out there, 447 00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:17,803 they put different medications together and put together compound 448 00:22:18,003 --> 00:22:19,171 pharmaceutical products. 449 00:22:19,171 --> 00:22:24,276 Well, these are unapproved versions of any of these medications. 450 00:22:24,509 --> 00:22:28,347 So they're saying basically, you don't go to a compound pharmacy 451 00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:33,218 and get a mix of a, Wegovy and a Mounjaro or a Wegovy and some other medication. 452 00:22:33,752 --> 00:22:35,120 That's 100% wrong. 453 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:36,621 And they are not approved, 454 00:22:36,621 --> 00:22:39,691 and they're telling you to stick to only approved products. 455 00:22:39,691 --> 00:22:43,295 So I know there are a lot of people out there like these compound pharmacies. 456 00:22:43,528 --> 00:22:46,531 A lot of women use them for issues around, 457 00:22:46,531 --> 00:22:49,668 menopause and other kinds of issues that they help with, and that's great. 458 00:22:50,402 --> 00:22:53,872 But in this case, the FDA is saying absolutely 459 00:22:53,872 --> 00:22:57,909 do not use these medications in a compounded format. 460 00:22:58,443 --> 00:23:01,646 And they said stick only to the approved models. 461 00:23:01,780 --> 00:23:03,582 That's the way they're supposed to work. 462 00:23:03,582 --> 00:23:07,919 So here's, so what do these do when it comes to weight loss. 463 00:23:08,153 --> 00:23:11,289 So mostly they cause fat to disappear. 464 00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:13,258 But here's another piece. 465 00:23:13,258 --> 00:23:14,493 And you need to understand this, 466 00:23:14,493 --> 00:23:17,896 especially if you don't exercise and you're not getting enough protein. 467 00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:21,333 They also delete lean mass. 468 00:23:21,333 --> 00:23:23,935 What does that mean. That means muscle mass. 469 00:23:23,935 --> 00:23:24,503 All right. 470 00:23:24,503 --> 00:23:27,939 So in addition to getting rid of the fat, 471 00:23:28,106 --> 00:23:31,443 long term functional outcomes and bone effects 472 00:23:31,643 --> 00:23:34,679 need more data. 473 00:23:34,679 --> 00:23:36,481 This is what we don't know. 474 00:23:36,481 --> 00:23:36,815 All right. 475 00:23:36,815 --> 00:23:37,983 Need more data. 476 00:23:37,983 --> 00:23:40,318 So there's an issue. All right. 477 00:23:40,318 --> 00:23:43,922 So it shows the majority of the loss is fat loss. 478 00:23:44,222 --> 00:23:48,160 But once again now they're talking about bone effects. 479 00:23:48,460 --> 00:23:53,265 So let's say you have osteoporosis and you're going to take this medication. 480 00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:57,369 Hopefully your doctor is going to say, well, hang on a minute, 481 00:23:58,203 --> 00:24:00,839 I need to make you aware that if you've got osteoporosis 482 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,609 and you take this, you're going to further damage your bone health. 483 00:24:04,609 --> 00:24:05,644 Possibility. 484 00:24:05,644 --> 00:24:08,713 Or long term functional outcomes. 485 00:24:08,947 --> 00:24:11,316 In other words losing muscle mass. 486 00:24:11,316 --> 00:24:15,654 If you're taking these meds, you're on a diet. 487 00:24:15,921 --> 00:24:18,390 I remember when I went into this weight loss program, 488 00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:21,026 getting enough protein was a really big deal. 489 00:24:21,026 --> 00:24:21,860 Every day. 490 00:24:21,860 --> 00:24:24,095 It was get off of the carbs, you know? 491 00:24:24,095 --> 00:24:27,966 And the other things you don't need to be doing, sugar all the rest of it. 492 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,236 But the key was to getting enough protein, 493 00:24:31,403 --> 00:24:34,372 making sure you're getting x number of grams of protein. 494 00:24:34,372 --> 00:24:35,707 I think it's like 90 a day. 495 00:24:35,707 --> 00:24:37,976 I can't remember specifically. 496 00:24:37,976 --> 00:24:41,146 But the idea is that you have to have enough protein. 497 00:24:41,746 --> 00:24:44,549 In order to, your body mass, 498 00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:48,353 especially your muscle mass, to be able to continue like it's supposed to. 499 00:24:48,420 --> 00:24:52,157 So they're telling you right here, the FDA is telling you there's a trade off. 500 00:24:52,624 --> 00:24:55,627 This is the verbiage from the FDA. 501 00:24:55,861 --> 00:24:58,430 There's a trade off. It's mostly fat. 502 00:24:58,430 --> 00:25:02,000 But you're also going to have muscle loss and you're going to have mass loss. 503 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:02,400 And then 504 00:25:04,669 --> 00:25:05,103 this side 505 00:25:05,103 --> 00:25:08,073 effect on issues with regard to bone. 506 00:25:08,106 --> 00:25:12,244 So if you have osteoporosis this is definitely something 507 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:16,381 you need to look into and ask questions about before you go on this medication. 508 00:25:16,381 --> 00:25:18,984 Again understand why I'm doing this. 509 00:25:18,984 --> 00:25:21,820 This is like a rage in this country right now. 510 00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:24,456 You know, they're dropping the prices down. 511 00:25:24,456 --> 00:25:29,461 I've seen a couple of them now they're coming for 120, $90 a month, etc.. 512 00:25:29,594 --> 00:25:33,431 So that you can buy the medications, but do understand 513 00:25:33,832 --> 00:25:36,001 that there is a risk involved. 514 00:25:36,001 --> 00:25:37,536 And I'm going to repeat what I said. 515 00:25:37,536 --> 00:25:40,739 If you're somebody that's morbidly obese, I would tell you to do this 516 00:25:40,972 --> 00:25:43,742 in a New York minute, at least get the weight off 517 00:25:43,742 --> 00:25:47,178 and then see if you can get into a program where you can keep it off. 518 00:25:47,178 --> 00:25:49,514 But what I'm saying, basically, is this. 519 00:25:49,514 --> 00:25:53,251 If you use this, it's not a long term solution. 520 00:25:53,585 --> 00:25:54,586 It's not. 521 00:25:54,586 --> 00:25:57,122 You're going to have to make some lifestyle adjustments 522 00:25:57,122 --> 00:26:00,125 once you get rid of the weight in order to keep the weight off. 523 00:26:00,158 --> 00:26:01,593 We'll be right back after the break. 524 00:26:01,593 --> 00:26:02,827 You're listening to America's 525 00:26:02,827 --> 00:26:06,598 Healthcare Advocate broadcasting on the HIA Radio Network. 526 00:26:06,798 --> 00:26:08,967 Coast to coast, across the USA. 527 00:26:08,967 --> 00:26:11,503 When I come back from the break, we'll talk about the green list. 528 00:26:11,503 --> 00:26:16,808 That's the list of foreign manufacturers that the FDA says you can rely on. 529 00:26:16,808 --> 00:26:20,211 And we'll talk about some of the other issues in terms of 530 00:26:20,445 --> 00:26:23,448 how these medications are being used, who's manufacturing them, 531 00:26:23,582 --> 00:26:26,551 and what do they mean to you when you go out and start using them. 532 00:26:26,618 --> 00:26:28,920 Stay right there. We'll be right back after the break. 533 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,521 You're listening 534 00:26:29,521 --> 00:26:33,792 to America's Healthcare Advocate, broadcasting on the HD radio network. 535 00:26:33,992 --> 00:26:36,027 Coast to coast across the USA. 536 00:26:36,027 --> 00:26:37,195 We'll be right back with more. 537 00:26:43,501 --> 00:26:44,135 Welcome back. 538 00:26:44,135 --> 00:26:47,172 You're listening to America's Healthcare Advocate show, broadcasting 539 00:26:47,172 --> 00:26:51,176 coast to coast across USA here on the HIA Radio Network. 540 00:26:51,242 --> 00:26:54,212 All these shows posted on the podcast platforms and YouTube. 541 00:26:54,479 --> 00:26:57,482 If you want to go up and tell somebody about and have them listen to it. 542 00:26:57,916 --> 00:26:59,951 This is one I’m probaly going get a lot of listeners. 543 00:26:59,951 --> 00:27:02,954 There are a lot of people interested in these medications. 544 00:27:02,988 --> 00:27:06,725 So let's talk about some of the other issues that are out there. 545 00:27:06,992 --> 00:27:10,362 So there is a retinopathy issue here 546 00:27:10,528 --> 00:27:13,798 with regard to your your vision and your eye health. 547 00:27:13,999 --> 00:27:17,135 So basically what they're saying is that if you have 548 00:27:17,135 --> 00:27:20,972 any of these issues with regard to your vision 549 00:27:20,972 --> 00:27:24,275 and your vision health, this can exacerbate that problem. 550 00:27:24,309 --> 00:27:25,710 These medications can. 551 00:27:25,710 --> 00:27:28,179 So that's another one that we that we haven't talked about. 552 00:27:28,179 --> 00:27:31,216 The green list from the FDA does include Belgium and Canada. 553 00:27:31,383 --> 00:27:33,351 I told you China and India on here. 554 00:27:33,351 --> 00:27:34,819 But here's what’s interesting. 555 00:27:34,819 --> 00:27:40,291 In a compliance snapshot they reviewed 48 overseas manufacturing facilities. 556 00:27:40,392 --> 00:27:41,993 This is what I find interesting. 557 00:27:41,993 --> 00:27:44,829 This is totally the opposite of what they just said in the other 558 00:27:44,829 --> 00:27:46,031 in the other piece. 559 00:27:46,031 --> 00:27:50,802 21 of those facilities of the 48 were in noncompliance. 560 00:27:51,836 --> 00:27:53,571 So what were they doing? 561 00:27:53,571 --> 00:27:56,341 What were they adding? Were the adding baby powder to the medication? 562 00:27:56,341 --> 00:27:58,043 I don't know. 563 00:27:58,043 --> 00:28:01,046 I mean, we know some of the things that go on in China, right? 564 00:28:01,212 --> 00:28:03,548 You know, you tell me I don't know. 565 00:28:03,548 --> 00:28:05,684 Well, but this is funny because they're saying 566 00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:08,553 that Belgium, Canada, China and India are Green listed. 567 00:28:08,553 --> 00:28:12,991 And then they're saying when they checked 48 of these overseas facilities, 568 00:28:13,158 --> 00:28:15,093 21% of them were non-compliant. 569 00:28:15,093 --> 00:28:20,265 Let me make a, take a guess here of the 21 that were in noncompliance. 570 00:28:20,398 --> 00:28:22,634 20 of them were in India and China. 571 00:28:22,634 --> 00:28:26,137 There might have been one in Canada or Belgium that didn't comply. 572 00:28:26,271 --> 00:28:27,539 But I'd be willing to bet 573 00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:29,741 that the majority of those were in either one of those places. 574 00:28:29,741 --> 00:28:32,177 Once again, I'm going to say what I said earlier. 575 00:28:32,177 --> 00:28:35,180 If it's coming from China or India, I'm probably not going to be taking it. 576 00:28:35,647 --> 00:28:36,281 All right. 577 00:28:36,281 --> 00:28:38,717 I mean, that's definitely as far as I'm concerned. 578 00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:41,119 That's an issue. Those people do not. 579 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:44,923 Especially the Chinese, do not have our best interests at heart. 580 00:28:45,223 --> 00:28:49,694 If they did, they wouldn't be shipping millions, millions of pounds of fentanyl 581 00:28:50,395 --> 00:28:53,031 materials over here for the cartels to make drugs 582 00:28:53,031 --> 00:28:56,167 to run into this country for methamphetamine and fentanyl. 583 00:28:56,167 --> 00:29:00,105 So you're never going to convince me that the Chinese have anything good 584 00:29:00,105 --> 00:29:02,540 in terms of their intentions towards this country? 585 00:29:02,540 --> 00:29:03,608 Let's keep going. 586 00:29:03,608 --> 00:29:05,510 Birth control and pregnancy. 587 00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:05,877 All right. 588 00:29:05,877 --> 00:29:09,547 If this is really an issue, it is unapproved 589 00:29:10,014 --> 00:29:12,984 for folks that, women that are pregnant. 590 00:29:12,984 --> 00:29:15,420 And there is an issue with 591 00:29:17,088 --> 00:29:19,958 if you're on birth control, you're taking these medications 592 00:29:19,958 --> 00:29:22,761 that it affects the birth control medications. 593 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,563 So meaning that they may not work. 594 00:29:25,563 --> 00:29:25,864 All right. 595 00:29:25,864 --> 00:29:31,136 So once again you know you're a young woman and you've got weight issues. 596 00:29:31,136 --> 00:29:33,671 And you you know, want to make yourself more attractive. 597 00:29:33,671 --> 00:29:37,675 You take these meds but you're also on a birth control, medication. 598 00:29:37,709 --> 00:29:40,712 You need to really check and see if this makes sense. 599 00:29:40,745 --> 00:29:41,179 All right. 600 00:29:41,179 --> 00:29:43,114 And can 601 00:29:43,114 --> 00:29:45,850 you take this medication and not have issues? 602 00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:47,552 That's from the FDA. 603 00:29:47,552 --> 00:29:50,522 I'm going to go back to this issue with 604 00:29:50,822 --> 00:29:51,456 eye health. 605 00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:54,092 Diabetic retinopathy complications. 606 00:29:54,092 --> 00:29:58,830 So again these meds are typically they were originally designed for diabetics. 607 00:29:58,830 --> 00:30:02,400 And if you're on an ACA plan-Obamacare plan, 608 00:30:03,134 --> 00:30:06,838 or they've just been approved for part D Medicare, 609 00:30:07,372 --> 00:30:10,275 you can get these medications if you're diabetic. 610 00:30:10,275 --> 00:30:12,644 Now they're saying that 611 00:30:12,644 --> 00:30:15,013 this is the New England Journal of Medicine saying 612 00:30:15,013 --> 00:30:18,183 this can very serious this can cause very serious problems with vision. 613 00:30:18,283 --> 00:30:21,286 So here's another side effect you need to be aware of. 614 00:30:21,352 --> 00:30:22,754 Pregnancy and fertility. 615 00:30:22,754 --> 00:30:25,757 Once again, if you're taking this medication 616 00:30:25,757 --> 00:30:28,626 when you’re pregnant, you're going to have issues with it 617 00:30:28,626 --> 00:30:32,530 and an oral contraceptive effect of this can be reduced. 618 00:30:32,764 --> 00:30:34,999 This is part of the study from the FDA. 619 00:30:34,999 --> 00:30:36,968 You're taking those birth control pills, 620 00:30:36,968 --> 00:30:39,404 which means you can get pregnant while you're taking it. 621 00:30:39,404 --> 00:30:40,939 Drug interactions. 622 00:30:40,939 --> 00:30:42,907 Delayed gastro emptying. 623 00:30:42,907 --> 00:30:44,676 We've talked about that. 624 00:30:44,676 --> 00:30:48,079 And the absorption of other medications. 625 00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:52,650 So now you're taking this is not unusual for people that are overweight. 626 00:30:52,684 --> 00:30:55,320 And I take blood pressure and cholesterol meds. 627 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,322 You're taking blood pressure and cholesterol. 628 00:30:57,322 --> 00:31:02,360 And what we're hearing here is that this impacts the absorption rate of those meds. 629 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,431 Well, how about those daily vitamins you're taking 630 00:31:06,431 --> 00:31:09,434 and those supplements you're taking to try to keep yourself healthy? 631 00:31:09,534 --> 00:31:11,703 Is it going to impact those as well? 632 00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:17,075 So somehow this impacts your absorption rate of these medications. 633 00:31:17,075 --> 00:31:17,642 All right. 634 00:31:17,642 --> 00:31:21,880 So you know to recap some of this pregnancy and birth control issues. 635 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,882 Definitely an issue here in terms. 636 00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:26,084 And you should not take this while you're pregnant. 637 00:31:26,084 --> 00:31:28,720 Lean mass loss does happen. 638 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,122 All right. It's mostly body fat. 639 00:31:31,122 --> 00:31:33,524 But there are going to be lean mass losses. 640 00:31:33,524 --> 00:31:36,527 The co-morbidities with gastrointestinal issues. 641 00:31:36,594 --> 00:31:37,896 Anytime you start playing with 642 00:31:37,896 --> 00:31:41,666 gut health you've got a significant issue there okay. 643 00:31:41,833 --> 00:31:45,003 And if you've got Crohn's, if you've got IBS, 644 00:31:45,003 --> 00:31:48,406 if you’ve got any of these other issues, you're probably going to exacerbate it. 645 00:31:48,439 --> 00:31:52,410 The FDA is cracking down on ingredient imports. 646 00:31:53,044 --> 00:31:56,881 They are concerned about this because of physical contamination. 647 00:31:56,881 --> 00:31:59,250 They've detained shipments on this. 648 00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:01,486 Again, I'm going to go back to this. 649 00:32:01,486 --> 00:32:04,489 Get something that's made in this country or made in Canada. 650 00:32:04,856 --> 00:32:05,790 Or made in Belgium. 651 00:32:06,824 --> 00:32:07,792 They're certainly available. 652 00:32:07,792 --> 00:32:11,496 I know a lot of people are using methods to import this stuff. 653 00:32:11,729 --> 00:32:14,933 If you're going to import it, bring it out of Canada, New Zealand, Australia. 654 00:32:15,199 --> 00:32:17,135 I did a broadcast on this years ago. 655 00:32:17,135 --> 00:32:20,538 It's important to understand those formularies in those countries 656 00:32:20,538 --> 00:32:23,541 are identical to the formulary in this country. 657 00:32:23,574 --> 00:32:27,245 The only difference is the government regulates the price of the medication. 658 00:32:27,245 --> 00:32:31,149 So as an example, if you want to take Wegovy, 659 00:32:31,149 --> 00:32:34,886 and through, let's say one of them a plan like GigCare 660 00:32:34,886 --> 00:32:38,289 which is our product for 1099 folks out of Detego. 661 00:32:38,556 --> 00:32:39,457 We can bring that... 662 00:32:39,457 --> 00:32:42,160 It's $1,100 a month to buy it. 663 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,262 If you don't have, if you're not a diabetic 664 00:32:44,262 --> 00:32:47,465 and you're not getting it for medical use, right? 665 00:32:47,732 --> 00:32:50,702 We can bring it in from Canada for $88. 666 00:32:50,935 --> 00:32:52,003 Okay. 667 00:32:52,003 --> 00:32:52,603 Yeah. 668 00:32:52,603 --> 00:32:55,373 Now, if you can get it from China for $40, I'm 669 00:32:55,373 --> 00:32:57,442 going to suggest you probably not do that right. 670 00:32:57,442 --> 00:32:59,644 That's probably not going to be a good idea. 671 00:32:59,644 --> 00:33:01,913 But you can bring it in from Canada for $88. 672 00:33:01,913 --> 00:33:05,183 So if you do want to take this and you make a decision to do it, and you, 673 00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:08,286 you're using one of these methodologies where you can call up, 674 00:33:08,286 --> 00:33:09,387 get your prescription 675 00:33:09,387 --> 00:33:13,124 and you hear me advertised on the radio and you can get your prescriptions. 676 00:33:13,124 --> 00:33:16,461 You can turn around, and have it shipped into you, 677 00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:20,365 make sure you're getting it from someplace like Canada, New Zealand or Australia. 678 00:33:20,431 --> 00:33:22,500 And they've said Belgium as well. 679 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,769 Okay. Not from China. All right. 680 00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:26,571 All right. Thank you all for listening today. 681 00:33:26,571 --> 00:33:28,806 The whole purpose of this show, once again, 682 00:33:28,806 --> 00:33:31,376 was to educate and inform that there is, 683 00:33:32,443 --> 00:33:35,446 an enormous popularity of these medications out there. 684 00:33:35,446 --> 00:33:37,248 They certainly have a place. 685 00:33:37,248 --> 00:33:40,952 They certainly help people that are morbidly obese, people 686 00:33:40,952 --> 00:33:44,188 that are significantly overweight, that have other comorbidity issues. 687 00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:48,393 You know, if you've got, a heart attack, stroke, those kinds of issues from weight, 688 00:33:49,060 --> 00:33:52,497 weight issues, this is a way to overcome that. 689 00:33:52,497 --> 00:33:54,932 And it's a way to lose the weight. 690 00:33:54,932 --> 00:33:56,567 The question is, what do you do long term? 691 00:33:56,567 --> 00:34:01,139 What I'm suggesting is if you take these meds for a year 692 00:34:01,139 --> 00:34:03,274 and you get yourself on track where you want to be, 693 00:34:03,274 --> 00:34:07,078 you need to go into a program where you can keep the weight off 694 00:34:07,412 --> 00:34:08,646 and that doesn't mean... 695 00:34:08,646 --> 00:34:10,715 you can’t keep taking this stuff forever. 696 00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:12,717 That's part of the problem with it. Okay. 697 00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:17,488 Because it increases the opportunities for other comorbidities to take place. 698 00:34:17,789 --> 00:34:19,057 Thank you for listening today. 699 00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:21,692 And now I leave you with this thought from Albert Einstein, 700 00:34:21,692 --> 00:34:23,394 the one who follows the crowd. 701 00:34:23,394 --> 00:34:25,363 You usually get no further than the crowd. 702 00:34:25,363 --> 00:34:29,467 The one who walks alone is likely to find himself in places no one's ever been. 703 00:34:29,867 --> 00:34:31,602 Remember, friends, is the funny thing about life. 704 00:34:31,602 --> 00:34:34,472 You refused to accept anything but the very best. 705 00:34:34,472 --> 00:34:35,773 You most often get it. 706 00:34:35,773 --> 00:34:38,643 Thank you for listening to America's Healthcare Advocate show. 707 00:34:38,643 --> 00:34:43,815 Broadcasting coast to coast across the USA here on the HIA Radio Network. 708 00:34:44,449 --> 00:34:45,950 Goodbye, America.