This week on the Dona Box podcast here about how we talk about our tattoos, our first
tattoo experience and what our tattoos mean.
Then we go into other life experiences, other stories that Chris and I have gone through
that are near and dear to our heart, getting a little bit into my mind, into Chris's mind,
and just talking about anything and everything.
So man, I don't think there's anything else to do besides roll the intro and get into
the good stuff.
Hi, I'm Micah.
And I'm Chris.
And we've been friends for over 20 years.
Surprisingly, we haven't killed each other yet.
Years ago, we started our own variety show and it sucked.
Now that we're adults, we decided to give it another try.
And you know what it says like in the movie, life is like a box of donuts.
You never know which one's gonna be the next one.
Wait a second, it's chocolates.
Life is like a box of chocolates.
You never know what you're gonna get.
Oh.
Right.
Okay, well, let's start the show.
This is the Dona Box podcast.
Well, man, it's another week, another day, another 50 cents, as they say.
You ever have an old man saying like, yep, yep, another day, another 50 cents.
Or 25 cents or a dime.
Yeah.
I've heard that.
Dude, I just be, and we've done, we've talked about this before, but I'll have old man
saying whenever I see someone and I'll say, well, I guess they just let anybody in here.
Or, well, look what the cat dragged in.
Or it's like, it's like, how you doing?
If I was doing any better, I'd be you.
Or I've even, I've even heard it's just like, I'm doing good for the shape that I'm in.
Just like, okay.
This is one that I do when people are like, I'll be like, well, you know, and they'll
be like, not much.
I'll be like, well, that's more than me.
You gotta, you gotta have all your good ones.
As long as it's not alive and kicking, I'm okay.
Oh, Mike, that hates that one.
And we've talked about that because of a punky.
Yeah.
I heard that.
I heard that every day was a rival salesman.
And it's just like, that was his answer every time.
It's like, how you doing?
I'm alive and kicking.
Oh, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, this is a free flow episode, by the way.
So we are just talking and conversing and we have some topics and questions that we're
gonna ask each other, but real quick, I ran into someone that worked at Boot Corral.
Oh, you did?
Yeah.
She's actually one of my staff members.
And she was like, yeah, when I worked at Boot Corral and I was like, when did you work
there?
And she was like, 2022.
And I was like, oh yeah.
And she was like, did you work with Jim?
And I was like, oh yeah.
And she was like, yeah, he said that he would fire me because he didn't like the way that
my eye makeup was done one day.
And I was just like, yep.
That sounds like old Jim at the Boot Corral.
It sounds like nothing's changed over there at all.
Except for now, and this is just a side bit, when we were working there, especially when
I was a salesman, it was commission based.
And now I've heard it's all hourly, which definitely wouldn't be worth it to me.
Just doing an hourly rate, having to put up with all that crap, that would be terrible.
Which, you know, it is a little bit past our Christmas time and I would like to shout out
before we get too deep in this episode to our retail workers.
You guys, it's every year I've been thinking about y'all because I've been there before,
Chris has been there before.
Christmas at retail is always a very hard time of year.
You guys are working.
Everybody else is relaxing and chilling while you guys are working.
And so really appreciate it.
In fact, I try not to shop this time of year just for that reason, just so that I don't
give you guys the extra hassle and things like that, because I just know how it is.
So shout out to you guys because I know it's tough.
Yeah, I was literally thinking that a week ago, well, I guess over a week ago, because
a week ago would have been Christmas, but over a week ago when I was Christmas shopping
of like, man, these retail employees are here.
Like, I could tell one was just frustrated because like he had so much stock that he
was trying to put out and then still trying.
But anyways, but ladies and gentlemen, this is a free flow episode.
So welcome back.
If you're listening on Spotify, go check us out on YouTube.
That's the Dona Box podcast.
Or as I learned last week, you can still type in trash can network and that still works
too.
So yeah, I have a couple of questions that we're going to ask each other.
And then we're just going to have a free flow episode.
We're going to have a good time.
Micah, do you have a pressing question that you were just like dying to ask?
Not a pressing one, but I got a few off the old top of my head.
Do you have a pressing one?
If you got one that's like burning on you, I'm good.
It's not burning, but I have a couple.
So you can go ahead and ask.
Okay.
My first one is very, very simple.
Do you have a song or a series of songs you are going to work in the morning?
What are you putting on in the car on the way there?
Do you have like some staples?
I would say it changes depending on like the season.
So right now I'm listening to a lot of Texas rap.
So I have a playlist called Swingin' through Texas, right?
Swingin' with no G. And it's a lot of Pimp C, Big X the plug, Zero, Mike Jones.
And so there's a song called Texas.
There's a song called Solid.
Still tipping by Mike Jones and Paul Wall.
From back in the day.
Yeah.
So that's kind of like on my playlist.
Sometimes it just depends on the like day.
But so when I used to work at the supermarkets over there in the hood, I would play I'm So
Hood on my way to work every day.
Because that song hypes me up, dude.
Like every time I hear it.
I sing it and then right when the beat drops, that hypes me up.
I'm ready to go.
I don't know why I still like, I don't know if I've heard DJ Khaled like probably from
2017 on, but like anything before that, like early DJ Khaled days and stuff like that.
I like I like a lot of that.
In fact, kind of interlude into what mine is.
So I've got a 30 minute commute to work nowadays, like one way.
So I'm definitely listening to a lot more music on my way to work.
And I've noticed that it's a lot of young GZ like young GZ is definitely a staple for
me.
And then on top of that, it's I don't know, it's it's been a lot of rap music here lately,
but like nostalgic rap music.
But you remember that song we taking over with like with like everybody in it.
Yeah, like a crazy about that one, but you like that song.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's all it's all nostalgic.
And then I don't know.
I was listening the other day to throw some D's.
And it's like, I don't know.
There's there's it's like there's a lot of those.
And even I don't know why Chris and I have talked about this before, like there's a
cache of videos that I'll go and watch back on YouTube.
It's like, OK, it's been a while.
I'll go watch this one and whatnot.
Same thing with music videos.
Like, I don't know why.
There are like some that just like during the time.
And I know some people talk about like, OK, early days of VH1 and MTV, like it was all
just music videos.
We kind of still had that growing up.
Like because I do remember seeing a lot of music videos, like I can remember a lot of
like, OK, that came on TV and like vivid, like I remember the music video for it.
And so there's still a lot of those that and I've noticed that a lot of my song choices
that are my staples either going to work or just kind of like, you know, take a shower,
put the music on or whatever.
It seems to be a lot of those that like, I don't know, I saw the music video four way
back when I've noticed that too.
Yeah, I would say.
And again, I was going through some things in July, August of this year and I was just
angry and I put on GZ man and I like there was one day where I was coming home from work
and I know I'm a man of the cloth, but I was just mad and frustrated and I put GZ on this
one song and I just sang it at the top of my lungs like all the rap and I know the like
the song every lyric.
So I was just singing it and I was just like, it was therapeutic for me.
And so GZ sometimes is like a, all right, like I'll never go wrong with GZ for sure.
So my question is, and this might be a long story, but that's fine.
Talk to us about your tattoos and your story of getting your first tattoo, what the process
is like, why you chose to get what you got?
Because I would say your tattoos after watching Ink Master, I kind of my understanding the
styles I would say yours are more like Americana, like American traditional, I would say like
Americana, color illustrative, I think.
Yeah.
The tattoo artist, like he called himself an Americana artist.
Like that's like kind of the style he went for, like the really bold, vibrant colors and
that sort of thing.
I'll show them here in just a second.
But so the first one, I wanted to get my first tattoo when I was 15, 16 actually.
But you have to get parental consent.
And of course, I couldn't get my parents to sign off on that.
I remember you, you ready for this?
There was a flea market in Georgia that I sold some stuff at.
And my first tattoo, I actually had the guy, there was a little tattoo shop that was in
the flea market.
I have this flea market tattoo.
But I don't remember.
Oh, I do remember what the first design was.
And thank God I did not get this design.
You ready for this?
So I think you would like this.
It was going to be the state of Texas, but like the outline of the state of Texas and
then in the middle was going to be like a heart and it was going to be like barbed wire around
the heart with like blood coming out of the heart.
I can get, I can get behind one idea or the other, but those two together.
Gather, it was quite a lot.
It was not good.
Yeah.
But again, I couldn't get them to sign off.
I remember it was going to be like 80 bucks or something though.
It was going to be pretty cheap.
Again, flea market tattoo, again, flea market tattoo.
But didn't end up getting that.
And then so I always wanted a tattoo, really wanted one.
And then my senior year rolled around and I knew, okay, because I was 17 and really early
into senior year, I was going to turn 18.
And so I was like, all right, now I don't need consent from anybody.
Like I can go to the tattoo shop and get it done.
And again, I was working at boot Corral at the time, working as a salesman on commission.
So I was making pretty decent money enough to be able to afford a tattoo.
And so I remember actually even talking with a friend of like, okay, what do I want?
We even went through some really goofy ideas that ended up becoming like t-shirt ideas.
Like the original, I'm going to tell them about this one.
One of the original ideas that I had was it was Jesus and he was he was throwing dollar
bills and it was like on the planet earth and underneath it, it said rain and manna.
And so that's definitely more of a t-shirt idea.
Yeah, it would be, but it's just like, wow.
And then the other one that I remember it was there was like God, like God the father
standing there.
And then there was Jesus, except they were dressed up and this is so sacred that just
but they were dressed up like pimps, like purple robes, like in whatever they say stunt
like my daddy.
Is that what it was going to say?
It was going to say stunt like my daddy, but pretty much it was like they were blinged
out and God the father was standing like behind Jesus and he like had his hand on his shoulder
and it's like my daddy underneath it.
I don't think that's like, I don't know if that's sacrily and my borderline be sacrily.
Yeah, it's a good t-shirt idea.
Not a tattoo.
Oh, it's a great t-shirt idea, but it's not a good tattoo.
So went through kind of these ideas.
Good.
So finally I decided, okay, the only thing that I could really at least I was smart enough
to say, okay, this is going to be on my body forever.
So I want to make sure that it's going to be something that in 10 years I'm going to
be okay with.
And so, and then the other thing that I was contending with, I wanted to be a pilot at
time and I'm still do, but the concern at the time, the industry has changed to where
you can show tattoos more, but at least at the time when I was looking into it, it was
like, listen, you don't show your tattoos.
Really you want to at least get, I wanted a full sleeve.
You can tell where mine cuts off right here.
And that's for a reason.
And so that I can still wear short sleeves and it goes to about right here and you don't
see any of this.
But pretty much to go back to your question, what ended up happening, I decided, I decided
to go with a, like an aviators hat.
At first it was just going to be like an aviars hat with goggles.
And when I went to go see the tattoo artist and it says underneath till death and basically
it's just like you're a pilot till death.
That's the whole point.
And so when I went to the guy, he's a biker kind of guy and you know, definitely, he's
a very nice guy, but like, he could be kind of rough.
And so basically he's like, yeah, I could do that, but I think what would be cooler
and especially me being 18, I was like, oh, I was all over.
It was like, we can do a skull with the pilot cap on top of it.
We'll make the skull black and white.
We'll do the cap, like the full brown cap with like blue like sky on the goggles.
And then, you know, we'll do the till death till bottom.
In fact, I'll show you.
If let me see if I can get this to, you could see, I don't know.
Oh yeah.
My arm there.
You can kind of see it there.
Yep.
But you see the goggles on top there as well.
And so that was my very first tattoo that I got was that one there.
And so I enjoyed the experience.
I really enjoyed the experience of getting a tattoo.
It was actually really fun.
I'll say this though, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, it's painful.
I will say it depends on your pain tolerance.
Everybody's got different pain tolerance.
If you have a very high threshold as in like, you know, you can get stabbed and you're fine,
you know, it's whatever.
And I've known people that, you know, just they could get hurt and break their hand,
break their arm.
And they're just like, oh, that doesn't hurt.
And then I've met some people that they get a paper cut and it's just the end of the world.
So it just depends on where you're at on the spectrum there for myself.
I would say I'm somewhere in between.
Like I wouldn't say that like, yeah, things are painful and whatnot.
But for the most part, I didn't have a painful experience.
The biggest painful part is there's different kinds of needles, right?
And as you can see from this top portion right here, it's one big needle and it's the outline
needle.
And so, and so once that the only problem is there's kind of, if you know anything about
shoulders, then forgive me, I'm not a medical person at all.
But there's kind of a separation in your arm and your shoulder, right?
And so the thing is that needle went through kind of that.
And I just remember that part being really painful.
And so after that, I really, I wanted everything to kind of go all in a theme.
So I went more on the aviation stuff.
I ended up getting this one next, if you can see that one.
This one here.
I got that one.
Yeah.
This one here.
So this is what is called an attitude indicator and that is, it's a gauge in a plane pretty
much.
And it's very simple.
It just tells you, hey, are you turning?
Are you going up?
Are you going down?
You always want to fly straight and level.
So I got the guy straight and level in here.
And we kind of talked about it and we were like, what about making it into some sort of
like locket or something like that.
And so that's, if you can see, it's kind of in one of those and it's got kind of the chains
on there as far as like maybe a pocket watch or something like that.
Because at the time I was really into pocket watches, like I actually wanted to collect
pocket watches.
I don't know why I didn't get into that, but hey, I got the tattoo of that.
And then the one after that you can really see, kind of can't see this one is it's up
and down here.
You can kind of see that.
I can move my shirt, if I can move my shirt, I don't know if you can hear me because I
was over the microphone, but that is the first, the tail number of the first plane ever flew.
So it was like, okay, kind of a momentum of doing that.
And then the very last one you can see it sticking out here is it's a Boeing 747, but
that sucker, that plane is so big.
We initially had the entire plane on there, but he's like, your arm's not big enough.
It's like literally your arm's not big enough because that thing is so big.
So we decided to put half of it on there and it's coming out of my skin right over here.
You can kind of see that.
So it's coming out of my skin.
And then the rest of it, I decided, okay, I want you to fill it in with clouds.
And so that's the rest of this is the cloud portion all through here and all through and
around here.
Yeah.
So I was there for those three, I wasn't there for the plane.
I remember you get, or I wasn't actually, but I remember you getting, so I was there
for whenever you got your first one.
I remember being there for part of it and being like, oh man, that's really cool.
And then I remember you getting the one on your inner arm and then I remember you got
that, but I wasn't there for the cloud filling or the airplane.
Yeah.
It was that cloud filling portion.
It was interesting.
It was just about to move from Lubbock.
Like it was, I was like 10 days from moving from Lubbock.
And you know, when you, when you have a tattoo, all this was done by the same tattoo guy.
And so I was like, man, I want to get this completed before I leave.
And so I remember getting the clouds put in between there before I left, but it was, it
was definitely one of those things.
I enjoyed the experience.
It's very interesting because if you told me, like I, at this point, there's not a ton
that I want to put on my body that I have consciously here.
But the thing is, if you were to tell me like, Hey, you're going to go get a tattoo, I'd
be pretty excited.
Like, okay, I'm excited for the experience.
It's kind of weird.
It's, it's like that weird sensation.
It's a thin line between pain and like, Hey, that feels pretty nice for some reason.
Like it's an endorphin release for sure.
I feel like, and you always, I always leave kind of feeling like, kind of gives you a
little buzz and whatnot, at least my book.
Now I got to ask about yours.
So you've got a few, which I wore long sleeves today.
So I can show some of them, but I can't show these or this one.
In fact, you know what I just realized?
I think I wore the same exact shirt that I did last week.
That's great.
It's okay.
I hope you watched it.
I did.
That's the whole reason I'm wearing is because I redid the wash.
I like this shirt.
This shirt is very comfortable.
So anyways, but yours.
So ladies and gentlemen, I was very shocked when, so Chris and I had a hiatus and friendship
for a little bit.
And when we came back and we're friends again, one of the first conversations we had, he
was telling me, he was like, yeah, you know, I got a tattoo and man, I was pretty shocked.
I was not, not expecting that.
But since then you've, you've gotten a few more.
What was your first one?
And what was that?
So my first one was up here.
And again, it wasn't that I, so maybe when I was like in fourth grade, maybe I was like,
ooh, tattoos are bad, but I never thought like people who had tattoos were like sinners
or anything.
I just didn't know anybody that had tattoos.
And we talked about him.
His name was Josh.
Josh, is that what his name was?
Yeah.
And he had a, and he had a like right here, he had like the tattoo from, what was it called?
Uh, Pirates of the Caribbean, right?
The Jack Sparrow tattoo.
And that was the first guy I ever knew that had a tattoo.
And then when your parental unit got his tattoo, like, I was like, oh yeah, like, uh, that
was the other person I knew.
So I never had a problem with tattoos.
There was just nothing that I desired to get on my body that much.
Um, and so I didn't get my first tattoo until I was going through my divorce and I don't
know.
And maybe it was like a therapy thing, maybe it was a freedom thing.
Okay, I can get whatever I want, put it on my body.
Because I remember she was like, if you get a tattoo, you need to approve with me before
you get it.
And I was just like, okay.
Didn't she have tattoos?
Not to get into the nitty gritty, but didn't she have tattoos?
No, I thought she had one on her wrist or something.
She didn't get any until we were going through our divorce.
Okay, I got you.
Not to get into that, but I was like, yeah.
Anyways, so I remember my brother came out, my mom and my brother came out, my brother
was like, my brother had already gotten tattoos.
So he kind of already broke the ice of like, oh yeah, like he already did it.
So my mom and my, I think he got tattoos while my dad was still alive.
I'm pretty sure.
So like it wasn't a big deal, like no big deal.
So he came out and he was like, Hey, like, I know you're going through a tough time.
I want to pay for you to get a tattoo.
Like that's my Christmas gift to you.
And so I was trying to think like, what would I get on my body?
Like, what would I get?
So I got a, it's a cross, but it's like in the shape of three nails that are like, or
it's actually two nails.
So it looks like kind of railroad spikes.
And then under it, I got Psalms 23 verse four, just the reference that says, even though
I walked through the valley of shadow death, I will fear no evil.
And that was kind of a big like symbolism of what I was going through, just cause I
was kind of walking through the valley of the shadow.
And we went to a tattoo shop in Lubbock.
And I remember like sitting down, like they put the stencil on everything.
And I remember talking with the guy and I was like, so how long you've been tattooing?
And he was like, Oh, eight months and me and my brother just looked at each other like,
what the heck?
But luckily it was just line work.
Like they're what, there's a little bit of shading, but like, yeah, mess it up.
And so that one was kind of like a big deal for me because that was my first tattoo.
And so like, I got a follow up question.
Were you scared at like beforehand?
No, it was just kind of nervous because I wasn't sure what to expect and my brother
kind of talked me through it and he had tattoos and my brother has like tattoos, like not
just on his arms, but like on his legs and like on his back and stuff.
So like he kind of knew like what it was going to be like.
He was kind of telling me like, okay, this is what you need to take care of it.
Like this is the stuff.
So he got, he really did help me with that.
And he was like, it's probably gonna, it's gonna probably feel like a cat scratching
you.
But like this right here is probably one of the best places to get a tattoo.
I would say you're gonna get your first tattoo.
Like it's, it's because it's pretty, it's pretty tough skin.
Like I mean, it's pretty, you wouldn't realize it, but it's pretty, it's pretty tough skin
to the point where it doesn't have a ton of pain.
Unlike like the inside of your arm, the inside of your arm.
Totally different story.
It's a totally different story.
I'll get in that.
So I have six, about to be seven tattoos.
So I'm gonna get a tattoo on my chest.
I wonder how that's gonna be.
I'm not sure.
Hopefully it's good.
But they say the stomach is the worst.
The stomach is the worst and the ribs are the worst.
That's what they say.
Oh, and probably the throat, but I would not.
All right.
So then, and so then of course, you know how it goes with tattoos.
Like once you get one, then you're addicted, right?
Like you're like, I have to get another tattoo.
So then there was a tattoo convention probably actually two months later.
And I was like, man, like I love lions.
Like that's kind of a fun fact about me.
I love lions.
And the reason why I love lions is it's gonna sound weird, but like that's always been kind
of like a visual representation of like who I'm supposed to be, right?
Always a lion and kind of like God is like, spoken to me through scripture and prayer.
And like, that's how that's how he sees me.
And that's how I should see myself.
Because for, and I'm still working on this ladies and gentlemen, but I, I mean, I used
to be a big scaredy cat, like scared to do things like scared to get out of my shell.
And so like that picture that lion is kind of like a symbolism for me to like step out
of my comfort zone, right?
And so I wanted a lion with a crown and so I looked at all the tattoo artists that were
going to be at this convention and I found a guy and he was out of Dallas.
And so he did my lion and my lion has a crown right here.
And so it was good, but it was like four and a half hours because it was like a lot of
shading.
And so like, I remember like, it wasn't bad, but I remember like by two and a half hours,
I was like, bro, I'm just ready for this to be done because he kept going over the same
spots like over and over and over.
I was just like, oh my gosh, I'm done.
So then I took a break and then, well, maybe not a break.
Maybe it was like a few months late, like this summer.
I saw I get another tattoo again.
I was going through it ladies and gentlemen.
So that was my therapy.
So then I decided to get this tattoo, which I don't know if you can see it.
Oh, let me turn.
Let me turn.
It's from Lord of the Rings.
So it's the sword from Lord of the Rings.
And I've always liked Lord of the Rings, but in the story, the main guy, like he's the
heir of the king and he doesn't want to be the king, but there was this famous sword
that got broken and supposed to like destroy evil and everything.
And it's never used again.
Well, the sword gets remade.
And so like this is a tattoo to help me remember like even broken things can be used for a
good purpose.
And so like it's really cool.
So I got this one done by a guy, probably 40 minutes outside of Lubbock and it was at
his house.
So like he had his own shop like outside of his house, which, which I like better because
he had like TV, like it was more like comfortable.
It was more relaxed setting.
Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't a shop.
And so he did that one.
And then he did this one, my Jesus one right here.
I never thought I'd get a Jesus tattoo, but like if you can kind of see Jesus is like
grabbing the hand of a person, right?
So then the original picture, it's the story when Jesus is walking on the water and like
Simon Peter walks on the water, but then he takes his eyes off Jesus and he falls and
then Jesus comes to like reach him back up.
And so I wanted the tattoo for Simon Peter not to be there, but just a hand.
So like it's a representation of me, like even when I feel like I'm drowning, Jesus
still has me.
And so, so yeah, so I got that one by the same guy.
And then I got one on the inside of here that says unashamed.
It's just letters that say unashamed kind of, it's a symbolism of like my story of like
overcoming shame.
And then like my favorite verse, which is Romans 116, which says I'm not ashamed of
the gospel of Jesus.
So that's, and then this one right here, it's on the inside, but you can kind of see
it.
It's a lamp post.
It's like the lamp post from Narnia.
And so the symbolism behind that is like even in the darkest and coldest spots, like Jesus
is still the light and I can still be a light.
And so all of them have meanings.
This one was the worst though, I will say it hurt the worst.
And the guy that did it, I think he had a pretty heavy hand.
Yeah.
And so like that makes all the difference.
And so with tattoos, if you have someone that's a natural artist, most of the time,
they're not as heavy of a hand, right?
And I've heard, I don't think I've ever gotten.
No, I've never gotten tattooed by a female, but they say females most of the time, they
have lighter hands, like they don't bear down as much.
And so it makes it not as like painful.
And the funny, the funny story about this one is I actually had a job interview for
the place that I'm at right now.
And I was late to my tattoo appointment because I had that job interview because it went longer
than I thought and I ended up getting the job.
And so kind of a cool story, but definitely probably my Jesus tattoo and my sword tattoo
are probably my favorites.
And then the lion one is really cool.
There's a blank space right here.
So whenever I have my first child, I'm going to have a lion cub with a crown and then I'm
saving spots.
So however many kids I have, then all the lion cubs will have crowns with their names
on them and they'll all attach to this one, which is kind of a cool idea.
Yeah, no, it is.
And that's kind of what I'm saving space for.
I know when I have kids, like I'll want to put some for my kids on, you know, my body
and whatnot, but good question to your question.
How was the response of other people when you got your tattoos?
Oh, man, it was not good.
So a lot of my family was very religious.
And so the first tattoo I got, of course, I was 18.
I was living at home and my parental units did not believe me.
Like I would, I would told them like, Hey, I made the appointment.
Like I'm going to get this tattoo.
Like I've told them like, and even, you know, to the point where Chris knew the time and
the date, like, you know, it was a thing.
Like it wasn't like a, Hey, I'm going to go get a tattoo.
It was like a planned thing.
And so I remember getting the tattoo coming back home and having it, of course, shrink
wrapped and everything.
And I remember my maternal unit be like, Oh my God, you actually did it.
It's like, what do you think?
You think I was like just fibbing to you?
Like I'm going to leave and go get a tattoo and just come back and still not have a tattoo.
And I remember she was not happy about it.
My male parental unit, I don't think he really cared.
But I remember so he had tattoos.
So I don't think he cared.
And then I remembered the one who took the most offense to it was my grandmother on my
mother's side.
She was absolutely just devastated that I, that her Micah could do something like this
and mark his body and more the temple of God that I am.
And now I'm not a temple anymore because I put a graffiti on it.
And you know, it's like, you know, and still to this day, she does not like it.
I went on vacation with her and I wore a tank top and she did not like the show and whatnot.
But you know, it wasn't a, it wasn't a fantastic response overall, but a lot of people accepted
it.
A lot of people were okay with it.
And so I think what a lot of people were okay with tattoos, I've noticed it's one of two
things.
Like, stupid people are like, okay, I can't get behind that.
Like I've seen some dudes have like a horrible Pikachu tattoo right here or some crap and
you're like, okay, that looks really dumb.
I think because it's tasteful and just like we went through and well done and just like
we went through and taught told you like Chris is our very thought out, mine are all very
thought out.
None of these what I love about this, nobody to my knowledge has these tattoos, like these
were thought out by myself, like, and just their small aspects to it, like the, the lettering
right here on the back.
If you can see that it's, it looks like steel plated, like, and so I told them like I want
it blue, kind of like a steel plate with, you know, and kind of that design.
And so it wasn't just thought out, it was like, we talked with the artist and said,
here's what we specifically want.
I don't want what everybody else has got.
These have specific meanings to them.
And I think, you know, even if people didn't like them at first, all you have to do is
explain it and be like, well, this is why this is, this is what this is.
They're like, you know what, it becomes art at that point because it's like, okay, this
has meaning, this is in depth, and it's good to look at like a lot of these, I get so many
compliments when I'm out and they're like, what is your tattoo of and the, and you know,
I'll pull up and I'll talk to them.
And I'll even, the biggest thing too, you can't really tell it, I know on camera you
can't really tell it, but the biggest thing that I always get is, wow, and how long ago
did you get these done?
It's like, it's been over 10 years ago and they're like, the color is still really, really
vibrant on there after 10 years.
Cause normally it fades and I'm like, yeah, I mean, it really is and I'm happy for that.
But I think that also adds to the quality.
The colors are still good.
Everything looks really, really well done.
And the color, because I'm about ladies and gentlemen, I'm getting like the traditional
like Texas outline tattooed and I'm adding more, some of my flavor, but it's my first
color tattoo.
So did the color make it more painful or not, not really?
I mean, where is yours is that is like a painful place anyway.
So yeah.
So the color, all of mine have been color besides the, besides the, the clouds.
And what I will say about the color, so all of my color has been shading mostly.
This is probably the one that has the most color because it's got red, it's got blue,
it's got orange in here and then it's got yellow around the edge.
And for those he used, and we're kind of going nitty gritty, but he used the shading needle,
the one that's got like five prongs on there that are like, and so once you got to that
part, it was okay, it went quick, but it was kind of painful because that five prong shading
needle going up and down, up and down, up and down for a good amount of time.
Like you said, it's fine at first, but once you start, and he has to go over the same
area over and over to make sure that it gets all the color in there.
You don't want to miss a spot and have a little, in my case, a little white patch in there
because you will see that.
It's called the color not being packed in, I don't know, ink master.
Yeah.
And so it's okay.
It's just, I'm sure you went through a lot of like you talked about the same thing with
your lion tattoo.
It's probably going to be a lot of the same thing except with color.
It's just going to be, that's just going to be the difference.
Yeah, we'll see.
One more thing on the tattoo front, I just got one more question on that front.
Those are any tattoos that you had thought about that you did not go through with that?
It's like, okay, I had that design and it's like, okay, but after a while you're like,
you know what?
After a second thought.
Yeah.
There's only one that I, and some of them are still ideas.
It's just, I haven't pulled the trigger on them, but like right here on, because this
arm is pretty much essentially blank except for my one little lettering thing right here.
And then my first tattoo, but I thought about getting like great as like fapleness and like
lettering, but I've also, I wanted to get like a warrior, like a knight or something,
like kind of like on one knee or something, but I've thought about getting like a portrait
of my dad.
I don't know.
They're just ideas, but like I think probably the one was like the knight or whatever, like
I thought about it, but again, there haven't been any that I've like sit, sat down and
like, oh yeah, I'm going to get this and then change my mind.
I got you.
I've only had one that I actually went to the tattoo shop and like had him draw it up.
And in fact, he hit me up for the longest time.
It's like, Hey, I've still got this drawn up.
If you ever want it, like we can, we can do it.
And this is before I met my wife.
I was kind of in between that phase of I had broken up with my long-term serious girlfriend
and it was before my wife.
So we were, we were having a good old time, right?
And I was really, of course, I'm really into aviation and everything.
So I had a pinup girl idea.
Like yeah.
And did you remember that one?
Maybe.
I think you did tell me about a pinup girl.
So one, I'm glad I didn't go through it because of the pain.
He already told me he's like, we're going to have to split it up between two sessions
because it's going to be on your arm.
No, it was going to be right here starting like my ribs and it was going to go all the
way down to like my hip almost like it was going to be like pretty full length of like
my, my chest on the side here.
Nope.
And yeah, it was going to be all painful points.
And he said it's going to be between six and eight hours to do the whole thing.
But you want to know the design.
This is ladies and gentlemen, I know this is a family show, but in the design is kind
of wrong.
But it was, it was this blonde headed gal who was a topless with like kind of a cowboy
like leather skirt on the bottom riding a bomb.
And underneath it, it said rider, ride them cowgirl underneath there.
I'm glad you didn't get that tattoo.
Yeah, me too.
Me too.
But it was just, it was that very typical like pinup from, from the era from like that
time, like the blonde.
In fact, if you've ever seen blonde bombshell beer, like there's a beer called blonde bombshell
with like, and it's got a blonde who's like riding a bomb.
It looked very similar to that.
Dude, like I, I understand people getting their kids names tattooed on them.
But like when they get like their boyfriends or girlfriends name, like if it's your wife,
okay, I understand.
I understand 100%.
Like that's different.
Or if you get like the, the ring tattoo finger, I can't.
Cool.
Okay.
Here's, maybe I'm wrong on this.
I feel like that is like, it's such a bad omen.
I have met very few people who have gotten tattoo of like the ring deal or whatever.
And then shortly thereafter, it's like they split skis.
It's like, it's almost like a tim tape.
It's almost like putting out there like, Oh, you permanent?
Like we don't test this.
And it's like, man, cause I'm thinking of like three people off the top of my head who
either got that ring tattoo or what?
And it was just like six months after that, it was just like, bam.
And I'm talking in one situation.
They were married for like over 30 years.
And it was like, they got that ring and then split skis.
And so it's like, I don't know.
That's why it's like me and my wife have talked about it.
And it's like, I love you babe, but I'm not, I'm not going to do all that.
I'll get my kids names tattooed on me, but I feel like they're not like it's a bad
omen and I'm not superstitious, but at the same time, it's like just to make sure that
there is not some weird thing to it.
It's like, we know we love each other.
We ain't got to put it on our body.
Yeah.
Or getting somebody's lips tattooed.
Got alone, dude.
Boy, what's, what's next?
You got the lips tattooed here.
You got a little teardrop right here.
Yeah, and then you get, and then you get their name tattooed right here.
Right, right over there.
Yeah.
Anyway, sorry, that was a long conversation about tattoos, but everybody likes hearing
about tattoos and yeah, tattoos are cool.
I love seeing people.
And again, like Micah said, they're good conversation pieces.
Like I can share my story through my tattoos and so it's cool.
Yeah.
I've connected with so many people just randomly and even people that you wouldn't think would
be into tattoos that are like, oh man, that's really cool.
And like that's, that's really different.
And again, I think it goes back to what you have and things like that.
If you got what everybody else has, I mean, I'm sure most people aren't going to be very,
you know, into it.
But if you have something kind of different and out there, I feel like.
You got like a pocket watch with the rules or the compass.
Everyone's got like a compass.
Praying hands.
Praying.
I mean, I do have a Jesus tattoo, bro.
That's.
Yeah, but you don't have like the praying hands with the rosary.
I've seen that done so many times.
Bro, I wish again, this is a family podcast.
I wish I could say what was in, you know, in those tattoo shops that have the little
book that shows you like what other people have had done.
Bro, that book was wild.
That's what some of these people had had done.
And I am not going into that because that is not family friendly.
But anyways, so my next question for you, you're a huge wrestling fan now.
You're like pretty, pretty darn big wrestling fan.
Really I wouldn't necessarily blame it on your parents because I don't think your parents
would have not let you watch wrestling.
I just don't think it was necessarily something they were interested in, nor wanted to spend
money on pay per view and things like that with.
The question that I have, do you ever, you know, because you're having to go back and
watch history.
So let me, let me, I know this is going to be kind of a long drawn out question.
So I'm big into football.
I couldn't imagine because I've watched it all these years, right?
NFL college.
I've watched it from the other time.
So when people talk about, okay, the David Tyree like helmet catch and stuff like that.
I remember those moments because I saw them live.
How is it for you now being a fan watching the history of something happening, say in
2005, or even like the Johns like prime example, John Cena moment when he comes out there and
it's like we killed Osama bin Laden.
Like a lot of people remember that WWE moment.
You aren't watching it.
How do you feel like catching up to it now, I guess.
And do you ever, I don't know if it's necessarily regret because you had no choice, but do you
ever wish like, Hey, I could have watched those things live.
Oh yes.
All the time I do wish I could have watched those things live because I would have been
totally into it.
But you also have to think when I grew up and I know why my parents didn't let me watch
wrestling.
When I grew up during that time of wrestling, that's the DX like suck it days.
That's when like on WCW nitro like the like the girls with the very provocative like dressing
and like the they literally had in the early 2000s called they're called bra and panties
matches and like can use your imagination what those are like.
So I mean, I guess, I guess that's true because a lot of our childhood.
Not to not to cut you off.
I guess a lot of our childhood knowing some about WWE and then WWF transitioning to WWE,
it was definitely a Jerry Springer like atmosphere.
Like that's what they wanted to bring.
And so I think that I see what you're saying.
I continue though.
Yeah.
So, so yes, obviously there are times where I'm like, man, I wish I could have watched
like John Cena live.
And so it's different because a lot of people are like, Oh yeah, I have this connection
to John Cena and I'm like, he's cool.
There are wrestlers I have connections with because I have gone back and watched the matches.
And I'm like, Oh yeah, this guy is solid like Shawn Michaels.
Shawn Michaels is my favorite of all time.
I didn't get to grow up watching Shawn Michaels live or Ric Flair like, you know, and so a
lot of what I did to catch up is I would watch like YouTube videos on the history of wrestling
or listen to wrestling podcasts of like, Hey, this is what was going on this and that.
And so it is, I do wish it is different.
It is hard, but like sitting here now, I'm kind of like, because at the time you're,
you don't know that those moments are viral moments.
But like obviously WrestleMania 40, which was this past April, it's considered one of
the best WrestleMania stories since forever.
Right.
Like when Cody finished his story.
It was basically Avengers Endgame.
And so I'm like, yes, I lived through that moment, but I'm like, what other moments have
I lived through in wrestling that 20, 30 years down the road, they're going to reference
it.
Like obviously there's some stuff that's gone on behind the scenes, like with CM Punk getting
into those locker room fights and like legit, that'll be wrestling news and history.
So it's kind of like, it's fun for the ride.
Like wrestling is such storytelling.
So the difference like with football, right?
Like you have a few of those moments, but like if you say, okay, the Chicago Bears,
I'm just making this up.
The Chicago Bears won the Super Bowl in 1982.
Okay.
All right.
To most people, it's like, okay, cool.
They won.
But like since wrestling is such long term storytelling, like there's a lot of history
you got to catch up on.
You know what I mean?
Because other sports, you don't have to catch up on as much history, I feel like, but because
they, they'll in wrestling now, they'll use things that happened maybe 20 years ago as
part of a storyline for now.
So it's kind of a weird, I think that does happen, but it happens in a different way.
So we all know the NFL is scripted.
I believe it's scripted.
I think it's very much like the WWE.
They know who's going to win the Super Bowl.
They've coordinated dramatic moments like it's definitely out there like that.
But I think that because sometimes they do bring storylines from way back when it just
depends on, I think a prime example like the Manning family.
So you had Archie the dead, right?
And then you had Peyton Eli came along and that was early in our time, right?
And we saw that happen early in our generation.
And now what's interesting is for the University of Texas is Arch Manning, who is the third
generation of Manning family.
And so that's definitely a storyline of like, okay, we're seeing the entire lineage and
everybody wants to see Arch Manning play because he's a Manning.
And so it's like, there, I feel like there are some family legacy stories, not nearly
as much as wrestling because wrestling is all about the story.
But I do think that there are definitely storylines that they do play on.
And every sport does it, NBA does it too about the whole LeBron and then, you know, Brani,
his son coming in playing on the same team and everything like that.
It's all, there's a lot that's just pure storyline.
But I do think what's very interesting about football being the sport that, I mean, everybody
is young playing it, even in the NFL, everybody's in their 20s.
It's very rare.
You find guys in their 30s, if you do, they're very good.
They're very good.
And they've been in there for a long time.
And what's interesting is seeing these guys be really well and, you know, okay, 10, 15
years ago, I was watching this guy.
And now it's like a prime example, there was a guy named a Sante Samuel.
Maybe you remember that guy.
He played for the Falcons for a little bit.
And he played for the Eagles and all sorts of stuff.
We're watching a Sante Samuel Jr. now in the league.
We used to have a referee, Sean Hawkely.
He was there for a long time.
He retired now.
His son's doing it.
So it's like we're seeing interesting.
And so I think where the storylines come into play are for the people.
And I think same thing with wrestling for the really, really diehards who are like, okay,
I remember when this happened or I know about when such and such happened.
And now that has caused this to happen all the way down the line.
Because even there are storylines about like the New York Jets, right?
And it's like 20 years ago, this went wrong and that's the chain of events that's gone
all the way till now.
You know, and it'll be, you know, things like that, no use stuff like that.
So I agree with you somewhat, but I think it's just different in how they do it.
But I hear how it is.
And the other reason, again, the reason that question came out is because being a football
fan and it being somewhat similar, especially in the NFL sense, I couldn't imagine not having
those moments.
I do imagine it's just like going back and watching like you would, because I've watched
NFL stuff from like the seventies, eighties.
And it's like, I just wasn't alive.
So I didn't see that stuff.
I'm sure it's just like watching those sort of things, but it just having all that history
in my mind, it's kind of interesting to think like, okay, what if you missed all of that?
Yeah.
And the thing I get frustrated with is people are like, you know, wrestling's fake, right?
Again, number one thing that people say when they, and I'm like, it's not fake.
It's entertainment.
Like they're still doing the moves.
They're still doing all that.
They're just entertaining you.
Like it's all they're doing.
It still takes a lot of athleticism.
I mean, these guys are really their world class athletes and the majority of them are
world class champion wrestlers.
I mean, you take a lot of these guys and you look at their history.
They were national champions in college.
They've wrestled some of them wrestled.
Olympically, like it's not like they're just out there screwing around and doing D.
Like a lot of it takes a lot of practice and a lot of work.
So it's not just, it is truly a show.
Like if you go in with the mindset of like, it's Cirque du Soleil, but kind of different,
right?
They practice for a show.
They have incredible moves that they do.
It's the same thing with wrestling because the art of doing what they do and not hurting
the other person, it truly is an art.
Cause I mean, you can really hurt somebody with a lot of the moves that they do.
And it, the fact that more people don't get hurt at it is quite remarkable.
Really.
Um, okay.
And we might be going into the mind of Micah.
So it might be a long.
So you talked about how like hit man and like Pirates of the Caribbean and all that are
like movies that like we're big for you.
And again, we call it, me and Micah called the book of movies, right?
Like the, the little folder where the movies were just put in there.
Why do you feel like, um, like now you just still kind of gravitate towards those movies
and it's hard for you to watch newer movies.
Is it a comfort thing or like, and if so, what are
some of the other movies that were like, maybe kind of a staple for you?
Cause I noticed that would be like, when you talk about movies or watch movies, you kind
of go back to like the same movies and a lot of them are movies that were in that, uh,
that folder.
Yeah.
So a lot of it is comfort, especially because these movies, there was like 20, 25 movies
in this thing.
And so, um, for the first year, you know, for 10 years of my life, that's all, that's
all the movies you got unless you find something on cable.
Um, so yeah, there is a comfort factor to it.
There's also a nostalgia factor to it because let's face it, a lot of these movies that
were in the folder, some of them are mainstream.
Some of them are B rated movies.
So a lot of times it's not like you turn on TV and watch, see these movies come on TV.
Um, that, and then I think a lot of the problem is, and don't get me wrong, a lot of these
movies that were talking about some of them are original, like I'll go to fast and the
furious, the fast and the furious idea, the very first one, that was a very original idea
because tuner cars and everything like that was the thing at the time.
And there wasn't any movies about that sort of thing.
Um, at least not mainstream big ones.
And so on that front, it's like, yeah, but a lot of these other movies were not, how
do I put this?
I didn't follow a lot of the same trends as Hollywood did.
Yeah.
Cause I'm, cause I'm kind of like the movies you pick, they're kind of, I mean, they're
not terrible movies, but they're kind of middle of the run movies.
I would say they're, they're not like Academy Award winning.
Right.
And they're not like, okay, these were box office busters and everybody won Oscars from
these movies or won awards from these movies.
Like it's not those kinds of movies.
And so I don't know, I think that it's one nostalgia to a lot of Hollywood movies and
a lot of these movies that you see, unless you know, okay, and I hate being like, yeah,
I'm a realist.
I don't want to be like that, but a lot of what I like to watch movies for is a little
bit more of a realism aspect.
Now a lot of these movies that I'm talking about hit man in particular is not realistic.
A lot of the stuff that it is, it's an action movie.
And you know, like, Hey, it's a little outlandish.
I can take a little bit that it's when things get too outlandish, I would give you a prime
example.
Chris went and watched the new gladiator movie, which great.
Glad you wanted to go see it.
It was like when he was describing it to me, the first parts, okay, I get that.
I get that.
And then even when, you know, I've seen previews and other people talking about this.
It's like, then we fill it up and fill it up with sharks.
It's like, what?
Hold on.
Like, okay, you had me until you lost me.
And I feel like that's where a lot of movies are.
And I think the comfort value in knowing that, okay, the storyline is either going to stick
very consistent or, Hey, I know what the ending to this one is going to be like.
And it's not going to be some crazy thing.
Because there's a lot of movies where I come out of this and it's like, man, that was kind
of a waste of time.
Like that was probably one of these stupidest.
And we talk about the old hit man with Timothy O'Fant.
One of the prime examples of like a newer version of, and this is also a B rated movie,
but they came out with hit man, agent 47.
And in a previous episode, I talked about how horrible that movie was.
And it was just like, you have, I guess it's because you have these expectations of like,
okay, here's the line that's going to follow.
And it just doesn't.
And you could tell the points where I don't know.
It's one of those things to where it's like, it's comfortable, the things that you know,
but at the same time, I'm not a fan of how a lot of movies are made in, you know, kind
of the choppy bits.
Now I will say this, when you had me watch Shutter Island, Shutter Island was a very
good one.
Yeah.
Like one that I had not watched before that was pretty original idea concept.
Yeah.
And it's good.
Yeah, and it makes you think, and that's always, that's always a, that's a sign of a good movie.
If it invokes emotions or makes you think, then you know, the acting was really well.
But for me, there are still, like I like Quentin Tarantino films, but again, what is the, what
is the whole comic denominator there?
A lot of what Quentin Tarantino is going for is it's very raw and very real.
Like a lot of it is not, there's not a lot of fairy tale.
Okay, this is kind of outlandish stuff to happen.
A lot of it is kind of harsh, kind of raw, really real.
And you know, I just think a lot of it, especially we go back to the Fast and the Furious example,
the newer movies and even past episode five or, you know, the fifth movie, it's just like,
it's outlandish.
It's Michael Bay film.
It's like, geez, a loo.
It's like, just stick to the original premise, but I understand that that theme is gone.
Yep.
There you go.
All right.
So this question, I know for a long time, since I've known you, that there was a calling
to the ministry and things like that.
Now along the way, there are other career opportunities that you looked into.
I remember one phase, it was like, I want to go into the Marines, the military, that
sort of thing.
And I remember at one point it was, you know, president of the United States kind of going
the political route.
And then at one point there was also the police officer and wanting to do that.
Now what would you say was the absolute defining moment that was like, no, no, ministry is
for me.
That's what my calling is to do as a job, not just like as a volunteer on Sundays and
have a separate job from that.
When did you make that realization or did you ever, did you have that light bulb moment
of like, okay, I need to do this?
When I was figuring out like, okay, what am I going to do?
I know that the police officer thing isn't for me.
And now I need to figure out what I'm going to do.
Which follow up question, what made you think, because ladies and gentlemen, I'll tell you
this, you were going to school to be a police officer.
You were very involved in it.
I mean, you were doing school and was working nights, but at the same time, like, I remember
him studying hard for the classes.
There was a law class in there.
I remember him studying really hard for that.
So what was that kind of change of like, hey, this is not for me.
So this is around the same time that like my life hit rock bottom.
And I was just kind of like lost.
And I was like, all right, Lord, like I'm going to do things your way.
So I was still, I still went to classes.
Okay.
I still went to classes during that time.
And I remember like coming up around because I was still working overnight and going to
school.
So it was a long day, but I wasn't working at Buchra anymore.
So I remember probably April, May.
I just remember like praying and in my prayer time, the Lord was just, it was very clear
like, Hey, this is the path you want for you, but this is not the path I want for you.
And I was like, okay, it's so like my, my spirit knew like, okay, this is not the path I need
to be on.
Okay.
This is what I wanted to do.
It's not what God has for me.
And I knew that was pretty clear.
And I was like, I'm going to finish up, figure out what I want to do.
And so I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do.
And I remember like ministry was kind of always in the back of my mind, but I was not like,
Oh yeah, let's go.
And so what's funny was, so I worked overnight with a group of probably nine to 10 guys.
And I was full time.
And so on overnight crews, like the people around there, I would say are rough around
the edges.
Okay.
Rough around the edges.
Cause most people overnight, it's overnighters like overnighters.
There's a, there's a vibe.
Like the thing is nice people, but like, typically overnighters, it's a little rough, but good.
And again, I'm not saying this with judgment, but this is just, I mean, there were ex-convicts,
stoners, people that just didn't fit in.
Like, I don't know, people who were just kind of felt like outcasts.
And I remember like having several conversations and like, I never, like I would talk about
my faith if we come up in conversation.
And it did come up in conversation, but people knew what I was about.
Like people knew I lived my life the way I live.
And people knew that I had faith in Jesus.
And so like people respected that, like they were like, Oh yeah, like we know he's not
going to cuss like when he's here, we know that he's not going to go party.
Like we, and they, they respected that.
And they were like, Hey, we're having a party after work.
Like we wouldn't bite you, but we respect you too much.
You know, they're not, and I appreciate that.
Like they knew what was up.
And so I remember them being like, several of them like, you know what, you should be
a pastor.
Like you should be, and I was like, nah, like I don't want to be a pastor.
That's cool for other people.
And they were like, they were, they would call me their pastor.
They'd be like, you're our pastor.
Like, and these were people like, some of them didn't really even believe in Jesus, but like,
they would like, yeah, that's the pastor right there.
You're our pastor.
So I remember having one specific conversation, like, and again, other people had talked to
me about it and like, there were just confirmations through other people, but I was just like,
nah, like being a pastor is not it for me.
I remember one conversation specifically with my friend, Austin, which I'm still friends
with, he's also my wrestling friend.
And he was like, bro, he was like, you really need to think about like being a pastor.
He was like, you be, he was like, you teach people without teaching people.
And he was like, you know what you're about, like you stand on your beliefs and your values.
And he was like, you would be a really good pastor.
And I don't know, just hearing it from him, like, I was like something clicked.
And I was like, okay, like, let me start pursuing this.
And I remember having conversations with my dad and about like going into ministry.
So I started looking at schools.
And yeah, it was probably around that May time.
Yeah.
It was probably end of April, early May.
And I went to go tour.
I was going to look at colleges.
Like what do I need to do?
I did doing Lee University online, looked at going to Southwest Theological Seminary,
which is in Fort Worth.
And I remember I actually took a tour there.
And what was cool was like, if you did a campus tour, like they actually kind of had a place
for you to stay overnight.
So I remember like, I went there, toured it.
And it was like, I'm not sure about this, like maybe, because I was still going to have
to finish my undergrad.
And just like, what are my credentials in ministry even look like?
Like, what is that going to be like?
What am I going to do?
And like, still on that ministry journey.
I remember like visiting my dad and mom.
And I remember like going to the bookstore and my dad was like, okay, like, let's look
at getting you like some pastor.
I call them my Jedi manuals, plaster books.
Like, let me look at that.
And so I remember that.
And then my dad passed away in January.
And I took a month to be with my mom and everything.
And then I got connected with people at church that was like, hey, like help out a youth
ministry.
I was just serving wherever I could.
And then like, probably the moment to answer your question, this is a long, long answer.
But I remember the first time where I was like, okay, this is what I was made to do.
I started in prison ministry.
Okay, I started in prison ministry.
And they were like, okay, you're going to get up there and you're going to give like
15 minutes sermon, 10 minutes sermon.
I remember first sermon I ever gave 10 minutes and it's about Rahab.
Okay, about Rahab the prostitute.
And I remember and if you guys knew me before like the podcast and like public speaking
was not a thing for me, like getting up in front of people, not a thing for like, Mike
had talked about it a couple of episodes ago.
I was the guy that was behind the camera.
Like behind the scenes, like that's how I preferred it to like even, even acts of recognition,
like say, okay, hey, we're going to pull you up on stage and say thanks for all the work
you're doing.
Didn't like that kind of stuff.
I still don't like that kind of stuff.
I'm just a little bit more comfortable with being on stage now, just a little bit.
I still get nervous.
But I remember like preaching to 70 inmates in a prison in Snyder, Texas.
And I remember that being the moment of like, okay, this is what I was made to do.
So I started doing prison ministry, started doing youth ministry.
And I remember like, I would get up there and like, I would like even just the host
moments that was like five minutes, like, and before a person, like I get up there with
a microphone and I get off the stage and people were like, where did that come from?
Like, well, you know, you could like talk like that.
Like, you know, you got an anointing on you.
And I was just like, okay, I guess I don't know.
And then started teaching in kids ministry and like, that's when I was like, oh yeah,
like, and all this time, like I'm going to school online to like be a pastor and everything.
And so figuring out, okay, like, do I get a job?
Like what am I going to do?
But like, I knew ministry full time was like a, like a job and a career path for me.
And then even the part where I got divorced and I stepped out of ministry for a season,
like even then, like I was wrestling with like, what am I going to do with the rest
of my life?
I thought being a pastor was off the table.
But like, once you found what you're made to do when you're not doing it, like everything
in you is like, like grinding and you're like, I was amazed.
Like there's nothing wrong with stocking shelves that united, but like, I know that there's
something else out there.
Yeah.
And the biggest thing, you know, being with you in that time, it was hard because you're,
you didn't have any purpose.
And Chris, he's a lot like me in that fast.
You got to have some sort of purpose.
It's not one of those things to where we're not the kind of people that you could be like,
okay, I want you to do a to B every single day.
And you know, you're going to collect a check for it.
There's got to be a bigger goal.
There's got to be, okay, we need to start figuring out how a to B to C works now.
There's got to be something further than that.
Or it's just upsetting.
It's just like, okay, there's no progress being made.
And so I think that was, that was where a lot of it was, was just there was, it was fine.
It was a job, but where's, where's the means to an end?
This is just we're stocking shelves.
Somebody's going to buy corn tomorrow, which means we're going to have to stock that all
over again.
And I collect my check.
And so there just wasn't anything purposeful there.
Yeah.
And even like, um, when I started moving up the ranks, even, I mean, and the one thing
that, and this is not like a brag on me, this is a brag like on the Lord, but like everywhere
I've gone, like the Lord has just given me favor and like, I've gotten promoted part.
I mean, I work hard.
Don't get me wrong, but I have favor.
And so like, I was moving up the ranks and I thought, okay, once I become a store director,
like, is that it?
Like, is this it for me?
Like, and I thought this was it for me.
And you're going to judge me and you're going to think this is weird.
But I was watching a boy meets world episode, right?
And so his dad was a store director, like a grocery manager, and he has this moment in
his life, like later on in the series where he's like, is this it for me?
I'm just a grocer.
Like what is, what else is my purpose?
And I had that thought, like, and then like trying to apply for jobs and being like, okay,
I guess this is not it.
I just knew like, God have more for me than just stocking shelves and there's nothing.
I'll go back to stocking shelves any day of the week.
Like if the Lord asked me to like, I'm not above that, but at the same time, like, like
Mike had said, trying to find that purpose and, and all that good stuff.
So yeah.
Yeah.
And now you're about to have that Kurt Warner story.
I was stocking shelves now I'm about to be a start in QB, uh, in the NFL, in the pros.
But, but yeah, now I completely understand.
I get you.
Yeah, all right, my question is kind of, it's a little bit similar to the question, but
just with a different twist.
So and we've kind of maybe talked about this in other episodes, but if your kids self could
see you now, is there anything that they'd be surprised about?
Be like, Oh, wow, I didn't know I was going to do X or I didn't know I was going to lead
this or I didn't know.
What would that be?
Wow.
You're not a pilot yet.
On the positive side, not the negative side, the positive side.
Well, and like the thing is kid me wouldn't be upset with the fact that I'm not like,
if I explained the whole thing, they'd be like, okay, I get where what's happening.
I just wouldn't have expected that.
Like I think it'd been like, Oh man, you're, you're almost 30 years old.
And like, if you would have told 15, 16 year old be like, Hey, you're going to fast forward
to 30, what are you doing?
Like that's the that's the answer like, Hey, you're a commercial pilot and you're married.
But you know, path path went a little different.
I think for me, and I'm not going to talk too much about what I'm doing work wise right
now, but the current position that I'm in, I recently got a promotion.
And like for a 29 year old to be in the position that I'm in is not very common.
And like, again, I'm not trying to be hump brag or try to like be like, Oh man, like
this is, you know, but what's, I guess what's hard now is if I were to say like, Hey, we're
not a pilot, but we're doing this instead.
And working with the government and doing what I'm doing right now, they'd be like,
Oh wow, like how in the heck did you get from there to there?
Because I mean, shoot, even me four or five years ago, I'd have been like, shoot, how
did we get from here to there?
Because that'll make no sense.
That's a meteoric rise.
Like that's not, that's not a, and I'm just talking about career wise, right?
But to answer your question, I think, yeah, they're like, there would be some shocks and
there'd be some like, okay, I thought we would be different in like a different spot.
But overall, I think like myself at a younger age, if they were to take a spotlight and
say, Hey, you know, this what's going on, I think, I think be happy to be like, Hey,
there are things pretty, pretty held down.
Like, I mean, there's, there's a few things that could change, but overall, like it could
have went a lot worse from here to here to there, you know,
Would they be sorry, not they, they them, would he, would little Micah be, how do you
think he would feel about you being more of a homebody and more like reserved now that
you kind of, because, because to be honest, man, I'm not, I'm not saying like you push
everyone away, but you, I mean, you have good reason, you kind of like, yeah, takes a while
for you to, you know,
Yeah, and that and what he's also alluding to is that used to not be me, like it was
one of those things where I would, I wanted to talk to people, like I wanted to have to
talk to everybody, it didn't matter who was and I'm not really like that anymore.
So, little Micah was a little bit more,
That's not to anybody to listen.
Yeah, but like, I'm also like, thinking about little Micah of my head, very opinionated
and very strong opinions.
And so the thought that came to my mind is it's like, if you could show eight, nine,
10 year old, even to accelerate that to middle school, like 12, 13 year old and be like,
this is you now, I'd be like, what happened to you?
I think that's what, what the legitimate answer would be, like, what happened to you?
Like, you were, you were wild and crazy, man.
Like, we're, we're wild and crazy.
And it's like, and now you're all calmed down and, you know, it's like, because it would,
that would be the shocking part is like, man, you're really calmed down and like, you don't
do nearly the amount of just crazy outlandish outbursty kind of things that you did do.
And so I think that's very different.
I don't know, I think it would be, I don't think I'd really recognize myself from then
to now.
I think it'd be like, wow, that's, that's really weird.
And I think a lot of that is maturation because in understanding time and place, but I think
a lot of it is just, you go through lots of life experiences, like humor definitely gets
me through a lot of life experiences, but not nearly as like for a long time, I had
to use that as just getting through moments, even tense moments.
And a lot of times that's, that's why Chris and I are friends, tense moments, you make
a little joke about it.
It makes the moment a lot less tense or you, you share a look of like, oh my gosh.
And he's like, yeah, I know, right?
Or even I do that with my wife or whatever.
And it breaks those and I still have those things, but it's not nearly as much as I feel
like at those ages, it's like, I wasn't very subtle.
It's like, well, that's an awkward moment.
And you'll be, and I'll be just shooting off at the mouth.
And I've learned over time, like, Hey, that's not particularly good.
Like, yeah, it is when you're with your friend, be like, well, that was awkward.
And it's like, haha.
Yeah, it was.
But when you're in a whole entire room with other people and they're the ones making it
awkward, or maybe it's not awkward to them or in, you call that stuff out.
And I would always, it would, tell me if I'm wrong.
Something that I said, there was no question about what I was thinking in my mind, because
I just told you, I just, I just told you exactly what it was.
And I think that's a lot of what's changed is I don't say a lot what's on my mind.
A lot of that is, I think about things a lot more.
And there's a lot of like Chris gets my genuine self and a lot of other people get my genuine
self.
And I'm very genuine on this podcast.
I'm not saying that, but I still am very careful in what I say.
And the exact thoughts that I'm having are not shooting out of my mouth.
I think that's the biggest difference.
It's funny because, and again, not so much, but it's like we talked about on the podcast,
we've kind of flipped.
And because of my job, I have to be more social now.
Again, people still drain me, but like on a Sunday morning, I can turn it on, but like,
hey, how are you?
Or like, we're in a table and no one's talking like, I can be the extroverted one.
And so like, dude, nine year old Christopher would be scared out of his mind, like crazy.
And then like, I think I even just thinking about like, again, getting up on a stage and
preaching or that like, that would have been like, whoa, like what the heck?
But I think even thinking about Easter, right?
Like 16, 17 year old me could see us doing that, but like, definitely nine year old,
definitely not.
And then like just being not confrontational, but like having hard conversations.
And I think the Lord has used that this year for me, because I've had to have a lot of
hard conversations where before I would just ignore it.
Like I just be like, well, we're just going to let it go.
And like even 19 year old me, like if I had a problem with you, I didn't say anything.
I just let it go.
And it was very passive aggressive.
And so like, I'm not perfect, but I'm better.
And so it's, it's different.
And like kind of going back to the pastor thing, so like my, my dad wanted to be a pastor.
And that was a big desire of his.
And there were times like where he went to Bible school and this and that.
And I know he felt a call of ministry on his life, but to like see like the dreams my dad
had and like, I'm living those out.
And that's like, cause I'm sitting here like, man, like, like, and there, and it gets me
sad cause I'm like, man, I wish my dad were here to see me like not, and I'm not bragging
on me, but like just where the Lord has brought me like, if my dad, man, you're a pastor
and like you're, you're doing what I always wanted to do.
Like, I know he'd be proud.
And so, um, and I'm, and I'm reaping the benefits cause I mean, that man bought a lot of like,
uh, commentaries and study books.
And like, I have all those.
And so I'm very fortunate and blessed that I do have those cause those do help me in
my job.
And like, it's funny cause like nine year old us would not recognize ourselves right
now.
No, no.
And even, you know, we, you, you see in the intro when it's like, we, we came up with
a, with a variety show called the Krispy Kreme show.
It's like even us at that phase of life wouldn't, wouldn't recognize what's going on.
It's like, yeah, you, you've got a podcast and it'd be like, okay, I can see that happening.
Like, okay, I could see that.
Like the content that we do, the way that we deliver it, everything like that, it's
similar, but it's different.
And that's a good thing.
It's just, again, I think we wouldn't recognize ourselves at all and be like, really?
Okay.
That's, that's interesting.
Um, all right.
Do you want to do one more question each?
Yep.
I only have one more question anyway.
Okay.
Perfect.
Me too.
So out of all of the things that we have done as far as trips, um, and, you know, experiences
and things like that, is there one that stands out that's like, okay, I, and this is a hard
question because there's so many that stand out for different reasons.
Um, but I'm just curious.
It's kind of like a psychiatrist with eat but thing is just like, when I say experiences,
what comes to mind?
Um, probably, I would say the best ones.
Um, definitely when we went to Dallas slash Arlington this last time, which was three
years ago, um, when we went to go watch the Rangers and like, I felt like granted when
we went to Dallas when we first moved to Texas, like, yeah, we're kind of adults, but I felt
like this past time was like our first adult, adult trip where we had like money and like
as adults, we went to a baseball game.
We had a lot more control of what we, what we could do.
We had a, I feel like we had, uh, an adult plan.
Like we actually planned everything very thoroughly to the point where it was like, man, we, we
knew exactly who was taking us where, at what point and what time we needed to be there.
Like we were very, very on point.
It's interesting you say that and this is where our minds are very, because I was thinking
about that same trip and, um, I don't know why, but I was thinking about the food on
that trip and I don't know.
I don't know why.
Um, we went to, what was that place called?
Babes.
Babes with all the sides where it's like unlimited sides and, uh, which they open one here where
I'm living at and I said I had been, but it's like, maybe I'll have to go back.
But I just remember like loading up on all the sides you can want on that deal.
And then, uh, we went over to that seafood spot and ate there a couple times as well.
And, um, you know, it was just, yeah, no, I agree with you.
And, you know, Chris and I, we've, we've kind of talked about this too.
I don't know why this is so fun.
You can watch TV at home.
You got TV at home.
There's something just so nice about going to a hotel and being like, let me flip on
the TV.
It's like, you got cable, old fashioned cable.
It's just like, and I know this sounds bad, but it's just, it's like, I don't have the
responsibilities of Hulu or Netflix.
They pick it for me.
Comcast or whoever, direct TV, whoever they're picking.
Now, I mean, channels nowadays it's like, okay, we're doing a 24 hour marathon.
Like used to be like marathons, but now it's just, you know, straight, straight, I mean,
true TV is pretty much, um, you know, impractical Joker channel at this point, but, um, but
it'll be cool stuff like that.
Another one that really comes up for me is, um, speaking of six flags, six flags over Georgia
when, when we drank all the NOS, um, there was a lot of, there was a lot of lesson learning
experiences and trips.
That was one of them, but I don't know why they're all six flags trips.
The other one that I remember is driving two, six flags when you got your Buick.
Oh yeah.
That was a big one for me.
Yeah.
That was like a fun, like it was a fun trip.
Nothing crazy happened.
I broke my phone while I was trying to flirt with the ladies and that was a quite upsetting.
And then the other thing, I don't know if you remember this on that trip.
We were driving in the Buick and my grandmother calls and she was like, she was like, where
do you do?
And I was like, Oh, I'm, I'm going to Chris to Atlanta, just the two of you.
Oh, she freaked out.
And cause Chris was 17, I was 16 and she just wigged out of like, Oh y'all are by yourself
and taking a long trip to a big city.
It's like, there ain't no big deal.
There ain't no thing.
I guess whatever.
Um, I think another one would probably be as a whole, uh, when, and this is bad ladies
and gentlemen, I just talked about being a pastor, um, but when we would skip church
to go out to eat, like that was fun for me.
Like I enjoyed that.
Or like even after we moved to Texas, like when we would just hang out and like play
X box and just go out to eat after church and no responsibilities.
Mainly.
Yeah.
That was, that was fun.
And then of course we had plenty of boot corral times, uh, the one time that I'm thinking
in particular, and there's a few people that are probably watching this that are going
to laugh at this is, uh, whatever a dust storm would roll in.
And I remember there were several times this big dust storm was coming and we had to like
get the trash into the trash can.
I just remember standing on all these boxes in a trash can and all these customers are
walking in this store and we're hollering at them, uh, because dust storms in West Texas
to call them.
I think that's like the Arabic word for dust storm and so we, I don't know, but I just
know that we were standing in that dumpster and we would yell, hoop, boop, get inside.
It's dangerous.
We would yell stupid crap all like, it was just, this is, uh, again, this is the last
one I'll share, but the day that we were bored and we decided to go to different places
and just prank them and mess with them, like when we went to like the jewelry store and
pretended like I was getting engaged and I was buying a ring.
We went to, when we went to the car dealership, like all that, like just going to different
places and like, Mexico with the sales people, which, you know, like we said, it comes, it's
come back.
Oh yeah.
That's, that's what we called free fun, free entertainment right there is because we're
going there and it would take like, it was free and it would take like 30 minutes to
an hour most of the time and we, you'd always plan it real well.
I remember our, our buddy, one of the buddies we had at the time, every time we would go
to the car dealership, we would always either take his truck or I remember at one point
he had like a Mercedes that we, one of his family members had.
So we'd always take that onto the lot and all the, all the salesmen being all over you
boy and it was, it was harsh because we would take them, we would take test drives and we
would get them all the way into the little office where they'd be talking numbers and
we would decline at the last minute.
That's normal.
Alright, last question and we, we were talking about this before the, the podcast before
we started recording, but like, and I, I'm unofficially diagnosing us both with ADHD,
okay?
I firmly believe I have it.
Oh yeah.
What, what helps you focus and then what, what are like some of the ticks or like things
that kind of like trigger you that are maybe over stimulates you that are like little ticks
or triggers and how do you overcome them?
So that's a really good question.
I'm still learning a lot of these things.
I think I'm ADHD.
I've always thought that too.
I have a hard time focusing on a lot of things for long term.
And another thing that I think is a key diagnosis is I don't like to start things and finish
things all in one go.
I've noticed I will start 30,000 things and work on them and then I'll go from one thing
to the other to the other and eventually get them all done.
And then it's like, okay, I got all these things done, but I've noticed that most people
will take one thing, they'll go and they'll do it all the way to completion.
I'm just not that way.
And it could be anything like I'm talking like if I'm texting Chris back and that is
a task on my to-do list in my mind, I will halfway tech and then I'll be like, hmm,
I got to think about that.
I'll hop over to something else.
I'll work on that for a little bit.
And then I'll put that on pause.
I might go back to the Chris text or whatever.
I've noticed that getting to the triggers, I've noticed that it gets to the point where
it's almost like when you're doing that and you have too many things going on.
I'm an IT solver, quite it to this.
It's like having a browser with too many tabs open.
You got all these tabs open.
You got all this stuff going on.
And it gets to the point where it's like you get overwhelmed, but you don't realize it
at first and you're sitting here like, I don't know what's going on with me.
I feel weird.
I don't know.
I'm getting very irritable.
And a lot of it has to do with the fact that I've just gotten myself into way too much
and I've started way too many things that I need to either say, okay, these items I've
started, but really I don't need to do them right now.
And you know, that tends to help because you go, because for some reason in my mind, and
maybe this is your mind too, I make up these things of like, it goes from, I would really
like to get this done today to know this is getting done today.
It all starts as that real innocent thought of like, okay, I would like to get this done.
I would be happy if I got all this stuff done.
I would be over the moon if I got all of this stuff done.
And then before you know it, it's like the over the moon items are now, no, that is your
to do list.
Like you will be over the moon today and we are getting all this stuff done.
And so a lot of times it has to be either me talking with my wife and saying, hey, I got
myself into too much.
I need your help because there's a few things that you can take care of that is just freaking
me out because there's too much stuff to do now and the time and the amount of time that
I need to do it.
Or again, I'll go through my mind and say, hey, what needs to be done today?
What does not need to be done to like this podcast, for instance, we'll record it.
I'll edit these things.
And there will be some times where I'll say if I can get this thing edited today, I'll
be happy with it.
And even like last week, I had to say, it's okay, you got it 95% done.
You're literally to the point because you have to watch for the triggers too.
You have to watch for the point where it's like you're actually not getting work done.
You feel like you are, but you're actually screwing things up and you'll have to go back
and do it later on.
And so there's a lot of things to watch for, but I feel like I'm kind of getting to a place
to understand, hey, my attention is on way too many things.
And so, and I don't know, again, going back to the triggers, I think that's when even
little things start getting to me, sounds, noises, the dog, my wife, they'll say things
and it'll just be like, you're just at your wits end.
And it's hard because you're like, I don't know why really, there's no reason for it,
but it's just because you've opened way too many tabs.
And even if you're like myself, it might not even be things that you're actively doing,
but it might be future planning, right?
I need to think about the podcast for this week.
I need to think about this trip that I'm going to take.
I need to think about this business deal that we're doing, and it'll be one of these things,
30 steps down the road that you're figuring out and one of the layers of your mind.
But all these things have built into, now you got 30 million things going on, including
stuff you're trying to figure out up here.
And so it can be hard, but you have to literally stop and start closing some of those tabs
and be like, we're not focusing on that.
We are focusing on this.
And you have to start parsing things and get it down to just one or two things.
That's the long answer to that.
Mine literally, and this is going to sound really bad, but Red Bull does help me focus.
So it really does.
For some people, I might excite them.
It helps me because I'm that way too, because I'll start my day.
Okay, today, these are the big three things I need to get done today, right?
So then I start working on those things.
And then when I'm thinking, oh, I need to do my expense report.
Oh, I forgot.
And if I don't do it right, then I'm going to forget.
So I'm like, okay, let me jump over here.
Let me do my expense report real quick.
And then I'll be like, oh, yeah, now I need to jump back to this big thing that I was
doing.
And so one thing that, and I don't know if this is it for you, but like, I'll be driving
and I'll get an important text or email and in my mind, I have to respond immediately.
And so like, I'm responding, I don't text like while I'm driving, but like I read lights
and I'm like, okay, I need to respond to the red light and never fails.
Anytime I need to respond, I don't hit a red light.
And so I'm driving and so I'm getting like frustrated because I'm like, I need to get
this text done.
I need to get this.
I'm like, dude, like, and so then I'm like stressing out.
And then like, once I, once I get and things like that, or like my wife will like, you
know, try to grab my hand, but like, please don't touch me because I'm overstimulated.
Like I just need to like, chill out and same thing with you.
Like I can't rest until like I'm all done and knock those things off.
And then I'll feel bad because I'm like, really, I needed to get that done.
Like it's okay if I don't get that done, that thing is not done until three weeks from now.
But in my mind, if I'm not getting it done today, I'm like, man, I was lazy.
I didn't get this done like this and that.
I don't know.
You guys might self diagnose me, but diagnosis, but it's really like jumping from one thing
to the other of like, and even you guys, we're going to probably tell on this podcast, like
I'll start a thought and then another thought jumps into my brain.
So then like I'm on that thought and then I don't ever finish my original thought.
So it's kind of like, I don't know, it's weird.
No, I, I, on that front, I understand you too, because a lot of times what happens is
I'll have a thought and I'll have another thought.
The problem that I have, and maybe you have this too, is my thoughts are on way into the
spectrum.
It's like, this is way over here.
And then my next thought is incredibly random because it's way over here.
And so it tends to be a little interesting.
But I've also noticed that on top of the work and the tasks and things like that, I've noticed
a lot of the times if there are too many people or too many people talking over each other
or things like that, even kids environment, I remember even whenever I was in school,
if it got to the point where you're in class and I always felt like a, like a loser dweeb
for this, but it's just like, I wouldn't tell people to be quiet internally.
I am, but when the teacher wouldn't have controlled the class and you know how like kids, they
go from like level to level to and it just like keeps going up.
And before you know it, they're just wild.
And now everybody's loud.
Everybody's shouting over each other because you can't really hear what's going on.
And then finally the teacher is like, all right, y'all are being too loud.
I used to hate that kind of stuff because it would just over stimulate me to no end
of like everybody shut up like stop.
Like every, like there's just too much going on.
There's too many conversations going on.
And even I've noticed that as an adult, if like sometimes I do have to attend social
events where there are hundreds of people and things like that, which is fine.
I can like Chris, I can turn it on.
I can be incredibly social, but I can't be in those environments for too long because
it just drains me just so fast.
Yeah.
And my mind will be jumping from to three different conversations.
So I'll be having a conversation with you and this person will be talking to me, but
then I'm hearing this conversation over here and then I'm hearing this conversation.
And so my mind is like going through all three conversations, same thing talking.
And then like, I don't know, maybe, maybe I'm not trying to make jokes, but maybe I
do have the Tism, but because like I'll get mad if someone shuts the door too loud.
Like that makes me mad.
Or like, like there's just something in there that and then like, or if like a motorcycle
or a car revs its engine too loud, like it makes me upset or like angry.
And I'm like, on the same line, I don't know if you're like this too, but what frustrates
me is when somebody is in another room and you'll, and I'm guilty of this too, but you'll
say, Hey, you know, in the case of my wife, like, Hey, babe, let's see, you know, I need
this, whatever.
And then hear them like yell from the other room, huh?
Or something like that.
I don't know why that just drives me up the wall.
It's just like, fine, I'm going to walk in here and have this conversation with you.
Because I hate yelling between rooms like this crap, you know, like it just drives me up
the wall.
I don't know why.
And it's just, there's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of things, ladies and gentlemen,
don't make me go into why I think I have the Tism because I think I would check some of
the blocks.
Well, on that note, thank you guys for going along with us on the ride.
Put it in the comments.
What do you guys think?
It's self diagnosis.
Um, yeah, let's see what, uh, what the commenters say.
It's like, you know what, I've got a degree in psychology and I can't tell what the heck
you guys are.
You're a wild, I don't know.
But thanks for listening, uh, check us out on the Donut Box podcast on YouTube, uh,
trash can travel on the Instagrams, Facebooks, uh, got anything you want to add?
Man, I think you covered it.
We go like follow us, go see what's going on.
We've got a ton of fun stuff coming out on all of our in's there.
So come, uh, come see us over there and like and follow us.
And, um, we're super excited for next week.
I can't believe it's, uh, the new year, man, 20, 25 new year, new me.
Shut up, Cheryl.
Um, we know you're still on meth.
We should put that video at the end.
I'll find that video.
You know, I, I did, I'll say this in front of the entire crowd before we, we get off.
I thought about another segment or like a short segment of like, why can Chris's video
of the week and just like including like a video clip of one of those videos or something
like that.
Um, and that would definitely be one of them.
But anyways, I'm ready to sign it off.
How about you?
Yeah, it's time for the Starship to take us out.
So I'm Chris and I'm Michael and this is Ben at the Xbox part.
We have two nah, nah, nah look it fits.
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