1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,000 This week on the Dona Box podcast here about how we talk about our tattoos, our first 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,800 tattoo experience and what our tattoos mean. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,660 Then we go into other life experiences, other stories that Chris and I have gone through 4 00:00:15,660 --> 00:00:21,000 that are near and dear to our heart, getting a little bit into my mind, into Chris's mind, 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,520 and just talking about anything and everything. 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,600 So man, I don't think there's anything else to do besides roll the intro and get into 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,600 the good stuff. 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,200 Hi, I'm Micah. 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:31,200 And I'm Chris. 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,320 And we've been friends for over 20 years. 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,840 Surprisingly, we haven't killed each other yet. 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,880 Years ago, we started our own variety show and it sucked. 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,440 Now that we're adults, we decided to give it another try. 14 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,520 And you know what it says like in the movie, life is like a box of donuts. 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,040 You never know which one's gonna be the next one. 16 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,400 Wait a second, it's chocolates. 17 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,400 Life is like a box of chocolates. 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,800 You never know what you're gonna get. 19 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:55,800 Oh. 20 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,800 Right. 21 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,720 Okay, well, let's start the show. 22 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,920 This is the Dona Box podcast. 23 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Well, man, it's another week, another day, another 50 cents, as they say. 24 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:13,240 You ever have an old man saying like, yep, yep, another day, another 50 cents. 25 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,320 Or 25 cents or a dime. 26 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:16,320 Yeah. 27 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:17,320 I've heard that. 28 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:21,160 Dude, I just be, and we've done, we've talked about this before, but I'll have old man 29 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:26,280 saying whenever I see someone and I'll say, well, I guess they just let anybody in here. 30 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,960 Or, well, look what the cat dragged in. 31 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:33,720 Or it's like, it's like, how you doing? 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,280 If I was doing any better, I'd be you. 33 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:42,160 Or I've even, I've even heard it's just like, I'm doing good for the shape that I'm in. 34 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,560 Just like, okay. 35 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,600 This is one that I do when people are like, I'll be like, well, you know, and they'll 36 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:49,600 be like, not much. 37 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:54,240 I'll be like, well, that's more than me. 38 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,840 You gotta, you gotta have all your good ones. 39 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,080 As long as it's not alive and kicking, I'm okay. 40 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,640 Oh, Mike, that hates that one. 41 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,800 And we've talked about that because of a punky. 42 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:05,800 Yeah. 43 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:06,800 Yeah. 44 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:07,800 I heard that. 45 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,520 I heard that every day was a rival salesman. 46 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,320 And it's just like, that was his answer every time. 47 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,320 It's like, how you doing? 48 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:13,320 I'm alive and kicking. 49 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,840 Oh, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, this is a free flow episode, by the way. 50 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,240 So we are just talking and conversing and we have some topics and questions that we're 51 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:29,360 gonna ask each other, but real quick, I ran into someone that worked at Boot Corral. 52 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,920 Oh, you did? 53 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:31,920 Yeah. 54 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:35,040 She's actually one of my staff members. 55 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,040 And she was like, yeah, when I worked at Boot Corral and I was like, when did you work 56 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,040 there? 57 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,040 And she was like, 2022. 58 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,560 And I was like, oh yeah. 59 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,360 And she was like, did you work with Jim? 60 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,240 And I was like, oh yeah. 61 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,960 And she was like, yeah, he said that he would fire me because he didn't like the way that 62 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,080 my eye makeup was done one day. 63 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:53,320 And I was just like, yep. 64 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,440 That sounds like old Jim at the Boot Corral. 65 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,600 It sounds like nothing's changed over there at all. 66 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,920 Except for now, and this is just a side bit, when we were working there, especially when 67 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:07,240 I was a salesman, it was commission based. 68 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:12,440 And now I've heard it's all hourly, which definitely wouldn't be worth it to me. 69 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,800 Just doing an hourly rate, having to put up with all that crap, that would be terrible. 70 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,920 Which, you know, it is a little bit past our Christmas time and I would like to shout out 71 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:24,360 before we get too deep in this episode to our retail workers. 72 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:30,720 You guys, it's every year I've been thinking about y'all because I've been there before, 73 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,000 Chris has been there before. 74 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:38,200 Christmas at retail is always a very hard time of year. 75 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,200 You guys are working. 76 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,160 Everybody else is relaxing and chilling while you guys are working. 77 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,320 And so really appreciate it. 78 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,840 In fact, I try not to shop this time of year just for that reason, just so that I don't 79 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,640 give you guys the extra hassle and things like that, because I just know how it is. 80 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,480 So shout out to you guys because I know it's tough. 81 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:59,720 Yeah, I was literally thinking that a week ago, well, I guess over a week ago, because 82 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,080 a week ago would have been Christmas, but over a week ago when I was Christmas shopping 83 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,640 of like, man, these retail employees are here. 84 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,960 Like, I could tell one was just frustrated because like he had so much stock that he 85 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,080 was trying to put out and then still trying. 86 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,400 But anyways, but ladies and gentlemen, this is a free flow episode. 87 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:17,400 So welcome back. 88 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,680 If you're listening on Spotify, go check us out on YouTube. 89 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,280 That's the Dona Box podcast. 90 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:27,240 Or as I learned last week, you can still type in trash can network and that still works 91 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:28,240 too. 92 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,560 So yeah, I have a couple of questions that we're going to ask each other. 93 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,760 And then we're just going to have a free flow episode. 94 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:35,760 We're going to have a good time. 95 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:41,720 Micah, do you have a pressing question that you were just like dying to ask? 96 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,840 Not a pressing one, but I got a few off the old top of my head. 97 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:45,840 Do you have a pressing one? 98 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:48,200 If you got one that's like burning on you, I'm good. 99 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,880 It's not burning, but I have a couple. 100 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,720 So you can go ahead and ask. 101 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:52,720 Okay. 102 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,560 My first one is very, very simple. 103 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:02,120 Do you have a song or a series of songs you are going to work in the morning? 104 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,400 What are you putting on in the car on the way there? 105 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,520 Do you have like some staples? 106 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,840 I would say it changes depending on like the season. 107 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:16,800 So right now I'm listening to a lot of Texas rap. 108 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,440 So I have a playlist called Swingin' through Texas, right? 109 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:29,920 Swingin' with no G. And it's a lot of Pimp C, Big X the plug, Zero, Mike Jones. 110 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,640 And so there's a song called Texas. 111 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,960 There's a song called Solid. 112 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,360 Still tipping by Mike Jones and Paul Wall. 113 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,120 From back in the day. 114 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,120 Yeah. 115 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,120 Yeah. 116 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,520 So that's kind of like on my playlist. 117 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,720 Sometimes it just depends on the like day. 118 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:57,920 But so when I used to work at the supermarkets over there in the hood, I would play I'm So 119 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,760 Hood on my way to work every day. 120 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,800 Because that song hypes me up, dude. 121 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,280 Like every time I hear it. 122 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:08,480 I sing it and then right when the beat drops, that hypes me up. 123 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,160 I'm ready to go. 124 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:16,960 I don't know why I still like, I don't know if I've heard DJ Khaled like probably from 125 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:23,840 2017 on, but like anything before that, like early DJ Khaled days and stuff like that. 126 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:26,000 I like I like a lot of that. 127 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,680 In fact, kind of interlude into what mine is. 128 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,400 So I've got a 30 minute commute to work nowadays, like one way. 129 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,880 So I'm definitely listening to a lot more music on my way to work. 130 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:42,280 And I've noticed that it's a lot of young GZ like young GZ is definitely a staple for 131 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:43,280 me. 132 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:51,800 And then on top of that, it's I don't know, it's it's been a lot of rap music here lately, 133 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,080 but like nostalgic rap music. 134 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,840 But you remember that song we taking over with like with like everybody in it. 135 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:02,360 Yeah, like a crazy about that one, but you like that song. 136 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:03,600 Yeah, I don't know. 137 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,160 It's all it's all nostalgic. 138 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,200 And then I don't know. 139 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,680 I was listening the other day to throw some D's. 140 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,840 And it's like, I don't know. 141 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,600 There's there's it's like there's a lot of those. 142 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:20,120 And even I don't know why Chris and I have talked about this before, like there's a 143 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,320 cache of videos that I'll go and watch back on YouTube. 144 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:25,480 It's like, OK, it's been a while. 145 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,600 I'll go watch this one and whatnot. 146 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,040 Same thing with music videos. 147 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,400 Like, I don't know why. 148 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,480 There are like some that just like during the time. 149 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:38,480 And I know some people talk about like, OK, early days of VH1 and MTV, like it was all 150 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:39,840 just music videos. 151 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,400 We kind of still had that growing up. 152 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,920 Like because I do remember seeing a lot of music videos, like I can remember a lot of 153 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,880 like, OK, that came on TV and like vivid, like I remember the music video for it. 154 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,640 And so there's still a lot of those that and I've noticed that a lot of my song choices 155 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:59,720 that are my staples either going to work or just kind of like, you know, take a shower, 156 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,680 put the music on or whatever. 157 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,640 It seems to be a lot of those that like, I don't know, I saw the music video four way 158 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,640 back when I've noticed that too. 159 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,120 Yeah, I would say. 160 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:18,560 And again, I was going through some things in July, August of this year and I was just 161 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:25,800 angry and I put on GZ man and I like there was one day where I was coming home from work 162 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:31,960 and I know I'm a man of the cloth, but I was just mad and frustrated and I put GZ on this 163 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:37,840 one song and I just sang it at the top of my lungs like all the rap and I know the like 164 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,960 the song every lyric. 165 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,840 So I was just singing it and I was just like, it was therapeutic for me. 166 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:51,920 And so GZ sometimes is like a, all right, like I'll never go wrong with GZ for sure. 167 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,720 So my question is, and this might be a long story, but that's fine. 168 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:02,440 Talk to us about your tattoos and your story of getting your first tattoo, what the process 169 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,240 is like, why you chose to get what you got? 170 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:10,840 Because I would say your tattoos after watching Ink Master, I kind of my understanding the 171 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:18,520 styles I would say yours are more like Americana, like American traditional, I would say like 172 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:25,040 Americana, color illustrative, I think. 173 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,040 Yeah. 174 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,920 The tattoo artist, like he called himself an Americana artist. 175 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:36,360 Like that's like kind of the style he went for, like the really bold, vibrant colors and 176 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:37,360 that sort of thing. 177 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,880 I'll show them here in just a second. 178 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:49,440 But so the first one, I wanted to get my first tattoo when I was 15, 16 actually. 179 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,160 But you have to get parental consent. 180 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,240 And of course, I couldn't get my parents to sign off on that. 181 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,240 I remember you, you ready for this? 182 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,320 There was a flea market in Georgia that I sold some stuff at. 183 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:06,080 And my first tattoo, I actually had the guy, there was a little tattoo shop that was in 184 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,080 the flea market. 185 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,080 I have this flea market tattoo. 186 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,320 But I don't remember. 187 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,600 Oh, I do remember what the first design was. 188 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,720 And thank God I did not get this design. 189 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:18,920 You ready for this? 190 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,920 So I think you would like this. 191 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:27,000 It was going to be the state of Texas, but like the outline of the state of Texas and 192 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,880 then in the middle was going to be like a heart and it was going to be like barbed wire around 193 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,880 the heart with like blood coming out of the heart. 194 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:41,760 I can get, I can get behind one idea or the other, but those two together. 195 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,320 Gather, it was quite a lot. 196 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,320 It was not good. 197 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,320 Yeah. 198 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,480 But again, I couldn't get them to sign off. 199 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,440 I remember it was going to be like 80 bucks or something though. 200 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:50,800 It was going to be pretty cheap. 201 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:56,000 Again, flea market tattoo, again, flea market tattoo. 202 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,560 But didn't end up getting that. 203 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:01,480 And then so I always wanted a tattoo, really wanted one. 204 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:07,200 And then my senior year rolled around and I knew, okay, because I was 17 and really early 205 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,640 into senior year, I was going to turn 18. 206 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,800 And so I was like, all right, now I don't need consent from anybody. 207 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,560 Like I can go to the tattoo shop and get it done. 208 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:20,880 And again, I was working at boot Corral at the time, working as a salesman on commission. 209 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,280 So I was making pretty decent money enough to be able to afford a tattoo. 210 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:30,400 And so I remember actually even talking with a friend of like, okay, what do I want? 211 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:35,080 We even went through some really goofy ideas that ended up becoming like t-shirt ideas. 212 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,360 Like the original, I'm going to tell them about this one. 213 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:46,280 One of the original ideas that I had was it was Jesus and he was he was throwing dollar 214 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:52,200 bills and it was like on the planet earth and underneath it, it said rain and manna. 215 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:58,840 And so that's definitely more of a t-shirt idea. 216 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,440 Yeah, it would be, but it's just like, wow. 217 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:09,440 And then the other one that I remember it was there was like God, like God the father 218 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:10,840 standing there. 219 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,840 And then there was Jesus, except they were dressed up and this is so sacred that just 220 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:20,240 but they were dressed up like pimps, like purple robes, like in whatever they say stunt 221 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,240 like my daddy. 222 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,240 Is that what it was going to say? 223 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,200 It was going to say stunt like my daddy, but pretty much it was like they were blinged 224 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:32,360 out and God the father was standing like behind Jesus and he like had his hand on his shoulder 225 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,600 and it's like my daddy underneath it. 226 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:42,880 I don't think that's like, I don't know if that's sacrily and my borderline be sacrily. 227 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,200 Yeah, it's a good t-shirt idea. 228 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,200 Not a tattoo. 229 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,520 Oh, it's a great t-shirt idea, but it's not a good tattoo. 230 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:55,480 So went through kind of these ideas. 231 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,360 Good. 232 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,400 So finally I decided, okay, the only thing that I could really at least I was smart enough 233 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,000 to say, okay, this is going to be on my body forever. 234 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,160 So I want to make sure that it's going to be something that in 10 years I'm going to 235 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,240 be okay with. 236 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:16,240 And so, and then the other thing that I was contending with, I wanted to be a pilot at 237 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:21,600 time and I'm still do, but the concern at the time, the industry has changed to where 238 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,080 you can show tattoos more, but at least at the time when I was looking into it, it was 239 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,400 like, listen, you don't show your tattoos. 240 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,920 Really you want to at least get, I wanted a full sleeve. 241 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,280 You can tell where mine cuts off right here. 242 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:36,280 And that's for a reason. 243 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,280 And so that I can still wear short sleeves and it goes to about right here and you don't 244 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,640 see any of this. 245 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:51,560 But pretty much to go back to your question, what ended up happening, I decided, I decided 246 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:56,520 to go with a, like an aviators hat. 247 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,400 At first it was just going to be like an aviars hat with goggles. 248 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,960 And when I went to go see the tattoo artist and it says underneath till death and basically 249 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,760 it's just like you're a pilot till death. 250 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,480 That's the whole point. 251 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:17,840 And so when I went to the guy, he's a biker kind of guy and you know, definitely, he's 252 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,800 a very nice guy, but like, he could be kind of rough. 253 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,360 And so basically he's like, yeah, I could do that, but I think what would be cooler 254 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,720 and especially me being 18, I was like, oh, I was all over. 255 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,960 It was like, we can do a skull with the pilot cap on top of it. 256 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,120 We'll make the skull black and white. 257 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:42,200 We'll do the cap, like the full brown cap with like blue like sky on the goggles. 258 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,040 And then, you know, we'll do the till death till bottom. 259 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,440 In fact, I'll show you. 260 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,720 If let me see if I can get this to, you could see, I don't know. 261 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:52,720 Oh yeah. 262 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:53,720 My arm there. 263 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,320 You can kind of see it there. 264 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:57,320 Yep. 265 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,840 But you see the goggles on top there as well. 266 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:05,320 And so that was my very first tattoo that I got was that one there. 267 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,040 And so I enjoyed the experience. 268 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,480 I really enjoyed the experience of getting a tattoo. 269 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,000 It was actually really fun. 270 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,200 I'll say this though, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, it's painful. 271 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,440 I will say it depends on your pain tolerance. 272 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,000 Everybody's got different pain tolerance. 273 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:28,880 If you have a very high threshold as in like, you know, you can get stabbed and you're fine, 274 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:29,880 you know, it's whatever. 275 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:36,520 And I've known people that, you know, just they could get hurt and break their hand, 276 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:37,520 break their arm. 277 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:38,520 And they're just like, oh, that doesn't hurt. 278 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,680 And then I've met some people that they get a paper cut and it's just the end of the world. 279 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,080 So it just depends on where you're at on the spectrum there for myself. 280 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,840 I would say I'm somewhere in between. 281 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,320 Like I wouldn't say that like, yeah, things are painful and whatnot. 282 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,960 But for the most part, I didn't have a painful experience. 283 00:15:54,960 --> 00:16:00,400 The biggest painful part is there's different kinds of needles, right? 284 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:06,280 And as you can see from this top portion right here, it's one big needle and it's the outline 285 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:07,280 needle. 286 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:12,440 And so, and so once that the only problem is there's kind of, if you know anything about 287 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,760 shoulders, then forgive me, I'm not a medical person at all. 288 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,720 But there's kind of a separation in your arm and your shoulder, right? 289 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:25,160 And so the thing is that needle went through kind of that. 290 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,600 And I just remember that part being really painful. 291 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:36,840 And so after that, I really, I wanted everything to kind of go all in a theme. 292 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,520 So I went more on the aviation stuff. 293 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,560 I ended up getting this one next, if you can see that one. 294 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:44,560 This one here. 295 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:45,560 I got that one. 296 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:46,560 Yeah. 297 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:47,560 Yeah. 298 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:48,560 This one here. 299 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,840 So this is what is called an attitude indicator and that is, it's a gauge in a plane pretty 300 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:53,840 much. 301 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:54,840 And it's very simple. 302 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,320 It just tells you, hey, are you turning? 303 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:57,320 Are you going up? 304 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,320 Are you going down? 305 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:59,400 You always want to fly straight and level. 306 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,680 So I got the guy straight and level in here. 307 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,840 And we kind of talked about it and we were like, what about making it into some sort of 308 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,080 like locket or something like that. 309 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,480 And so that's, if you can see, it's kind of in one of those and it's got kind of the chains 310 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,320 on there as far as like maybe a pocket watch or something like that. 311 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,120 Because at the time I was really into pocket watches, like I actually wanted to collect 312 00:17:20,120 --> 00:17:21,120 pocket watches. 313 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:24,760 I don't know why I didn't get into that, but hey, I got the tattoo of that. 314 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:30,360 And then the one after that you can really see, kind of can't see this one is it's up 315 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:32,120 and down here. 316 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:33,120 You can kind of see that. 317 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:37,840 I can move my shirt, if I can move my shirt, I don't know if you can hear me because I 318 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:44,000 was over the microphone, but that is the first, the tail number of the first plane ever flew. 319 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,040 So it was like, okay, kind of a momentum of doing that. 320 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:55,160 And then the very last one you can see it sticking out here is it's a Boeing 747, but 321 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,120 that sucker, that plane is so big. 322 00:17:57,120 --> 00:18:02,440 We initially had the entire plane on there, but he's like, your arm's not big enough. 323 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,840 It's like literally your arm's not big enough because that thing is so big. 324 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:11,680 So we decided to put half of it on there and it's coming out of my skin right over here. 325 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:12,760 You can kind of see that. 326 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,200 So it's coming out of my skin. 327 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,640 And then the rest of it, I decided, okay, I want you to fill it in with clouds. 328 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:25,240 And so that's the rest of this is the cloud portion all through here and all through and 329 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,520 around here. 330 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,520 Yeah. 331 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:32,680 So I was there for those three, I wasn't there for the plane. 332 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,640 I remember you get, or I wasn't actually, but I remember you getting, so I was there 333 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,720 for whenever you got your first one. 334 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,440 I remember being there for part of it and being like, oh man, that's really cool. 335 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,800 And then I remember you getting the one on your inner arm and then I remember you got 336 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:52,120 that, but I wasn't there for the cloud filling or the airplane. 337 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:53,120 Yeah. 338 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:55,960 It was that cloud filling portion. 339 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:56,960 It was interesting. 340 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,960 It was just about to move from Lubbock. 341 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,320 Like it was, I was like 10 days from moving from Lubbock. 342 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,600 And you know, when you, when you have a tattoo, all this was done by the same tattoo guy. 343 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:11,080 And so I was like, man, I want to get this completed before I leave. 344 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:16,920 And so I remember getting the clouds put in between there before I left, but it was, it 345 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,440 was definitely one of those things. 346 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,760 I enjoyed the experience. 347 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,960 It's very interesting because if you told me, like I, at this point, there's not a ton 348 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,520 that I want to put on my body that I have consciously here. 349 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,440 But the thing is, if you were to tell me like, Hey, you're going to go get a tattoo, I'd 350 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:34,440 be pretty excited. 351 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,280 Like, okay, I'm excited for the experience. 352 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,280 It's kind of weird. 353 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,720 It's, it's like that weird sensation. 354 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,400 It's a thin line between pain and like, Hey, that feels pretty nice for some reason. 355 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,840 Like it's an endorphin release for sure. 356 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,560 I feel like, and you always, I always leave kind of feeling like, kind of gives you a 357 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,640 little buzz and whatnot, at least my book. 358 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,400 Now I got to ask about yours. 359 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,640 So you've got a few, which I wore long sleeves today. 360 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:07,720 So I can show some of them, but I can't show these or this one. 361 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,880 In fact, you know what I just realized? 362 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,560 I think I wore the same exact shirt that I did last week. 363 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:14,560 That's great. 364 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,560 It's okay. 365 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,560 I hope you watched it. 366 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:17,560 I did. 367 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:18,560 I did. 368 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:19,560 That's the whole reason I'm wearing is because I redid the wash. 369 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:20,560 I like this shirt. 370 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,000 This shirt is very comfortable. 371 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,360 So anyways, but yours. 372 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:31,760 So ladies and gentlemen, I was very shocked when, so Chris and I had a hiatus and friendship 373 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:32,880 for a little bit. 374 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,560 And when we came back and we're friends again, one of the first conversations we had, he 375 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:42,280 was telling me, he was like, yeah, you know, I got a tattoo and man, I was pretty shocked. 376 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,000 I was not, not expecting that. 377 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,920 But since then you've, you've gotten a few more. 378 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:47,920 What was your first one? 379 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:48,920 And what was that? 380 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,520 So my first one was up here. 381 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,960 And again, it wasn't that I, so maybe when I was like in fourth grade, maybe I was like, 382 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,400 ooh, tattoos are bad, but I never thought like people who had tattoos were like sinners 383 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,400 or anything. 384 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,280 I just didn't know anybody that had tattoos. 385 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,280 And we talked about him. 386 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,280 His name was Josh. 387 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,720 Josh, is that what his name was? 388 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:11,720 Yeah. 389 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:12,720 Yeah. 390 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:20,480 And he had a, and he had a like right here, he had like the tattoo from, what was it called? 391 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,800 Uh, Pirates of the Caribbean, right? 392 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:23,960 The Jack Sparrow tattoo. 393 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,560 And that was the first guy I ever knew that had a tattoo. 394 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:32,040 And then when your parental unit got his tattoo, like, I was like, oh yeah, like, uh, that 395 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,160 was the other person I knew. 396 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,840 So I never had a problem with tattoos. 397 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,000 There was just nothing that I desired to get on my body that much. 398 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:46,520 Um, and so I didn't get my first tattoo until I was going through my divorce and I don't 399 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,520 know. 400 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,680 And maybe it was like a therapy thing, maybe it was a freedom thing. 401 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,280 Okay, I can get whatever I want, put it on my body. 402 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:58,160 Because I remember she was like, if you get a tattoo, you need to approve with me before 403 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,160 you get it. 404 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,440 And I was just like, okay. 405 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:03,440 Didn't she have tattoos? 406 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,040 Not to get into the nitty gritty, but didn't she have tattoos? 407 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:11,200 No, I thought she had one on her wrist or something. 408 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,920 She didn't get any until we were going through our divorce. 409 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,800 Okay, I got you. 410 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,920 Not to get into that, but I was like, yeah. 411 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,760 Anyways, so I remember my brother came out, my mom and my brother came out, my brother 412 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,000 was like, my brother had already gotten tattoos. 413 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,600 So he kind of already broke the ice of like, oh yeah, like he already did it. 414 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,920 So my mom and my, I think he got tattoos while my dad was still alive. 415 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,920 I'm pretty sure. 416 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,920 So like it wasn't a big deal, like no big deal. 417 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,120 So he came out and he was like, Hey, like, I know you're going through a tough time. 418 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:47,960 I want to pay for you to get a tattoo. 419 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,000 Like that's my Christmas gift to you. 420 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,800 And so I was trying to think like, what would I get on my body? 421 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,280 Like, what would I get? 422 00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:02,320 So I got a, it's a cross, but it's like in the shape of three nails that are like, or 423 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,640 it's actually two nails. 424 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,440 So it looks like kind of railroad spikes. 425 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,480 And then under it, I got Psalms 23 verse four, just the reference that says, even though 426 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,960 I walked through the valley of shadow death, I will fear no evil. 427 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,240 And that was kind of a big like symbolism of what I was going through, just cause I 428 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,920 was kind of walking through the valley of the shadow. 429 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:29,320 And we went to a tattoo shop in Lubbock. 430 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,840 And I remember like sitting down, like they put the stencil on everything. 431 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,480 And I remember talking with the guy and I was like, so how long you've been tattooing? 432 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:42,760 And he was like, Oh, eight months and me and my brother just looked at each other like, 433 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,160 what the heck? 434 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,920 But luckily it was just line work. 435 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,160 Like they're what, there's a little bit of shading, but like, yeah, mess it up. 436 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:56,280 And so that one was kind of like a big deal for me because that was my first tattoo. 437 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,600 And so like, I got a follow up question. 438 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,840 Were you scared at like beforehand? 439 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:08,200 No, it was just kind of nervous because I wasn't sure what to expect and my brother 440 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:14,360 kind of talked me through it and he had tattoos and my brother has like tattoos, like not 441 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:18,640 just on his arms, but like on his legs and like on his back and stuff. 442 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,600 So like he kind of knew like what it was going to be like. 443 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,320 He was kind of telling me like, okay, this is what you need to take care of it. 444 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,320 Like this is the stuff. 445 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,640 So he got, he really did help me with that. 446 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,680 And he was like, it's probably gonna, it's gonna probably feel like a cat scratching 447 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,280 you. 448 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,400 But like this right here is probably one of the best places to get a tattoo. 449 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,600 I would say you're gonna get your first tattoo. 450 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,080 Like it's, it's because it's pretty, it's pretty tough skin. 451 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,840 Like I mean, it's pretty, you wouldn't realize it, but it's pretty, it's pretty tough skin 452 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,000 to the point where it doesn't have a ton of pain. 453 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,440 Unlike like the inside of your arm, the inside of your arm. 454 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,160 Totally different story. 455 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,160 It's a totally different story. 456 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,720 I'll get in that. 457 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:06,440 So I have six, about to be seven tattoos. 458 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,800 So I'm gonna get a tattoo on my chest. 459 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:09,800 I wonder how that's gonna be. 460 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:10,800 I'm not sure. 461 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,800 Hopefully it's good. 462 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,080 But they say the stomach is the worst. 463 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,640 The stomach is the worst and the ribs are the worst. 464 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,640 That's what they say. 465 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,240 Oh, and probably the throat, but I would not. 466 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,240 All right. 467 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,600 So then, and so then of course, you know how it goes with tattoos. 468 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,720 Like once you get one, then you're addicted, right? 469 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,240 Like you're like, I have to get another tattoo. 470 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,880 So then there was a tattoo convention probably actually two months later. 471 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,840 And I was like, man, like I love lions. 472 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,640 Like that's kind of a fun fact about me. 473 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,680 I love lions. 474 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:48,080 And the reason why I love lions is it's gonna sound weird, but like that's always been kind 475 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,720 of like a visual representation of like who I'm supposed to be, right? 476 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:58,280 Always a lion and kind of like God is like, spoken to me through scripture and prayer. 477 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,360 And like, that's how that's how he sees me. 478 00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:02,200 And that's how I should see myself. 479 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:07,720 Because for, and I'm still working on this ladies and gentlemen, but I, I mean, I used 480 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,360 to be a big scaredy cat, like scared to do things like scared to get out of my shell. 481 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:17,480 And so like that picture that lion is kind of like a symbolism for me to like step out 482 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,200 of my comfort zone, right? 483 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,720 And so I wanted a lion with a crown and so I looked at all the tattoo artists that were 484 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,640 going to be at this convention and I found a guy and he was out of Dallas. 485 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:33,920 And so he did my lion and my lion has a crown right here. 486 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,680 And so it was good, but it was like four and a half hours because it was like a lot of 487 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:39,680 shading. 488 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,200 And so like, I remember like, it wasn't bad, but I remember like by two and a half hours, 489 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,280 I was like, bro, I'm just ready for this to be done because he kept going over the same 490 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,800 spots like over and over and over. 491 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,680 I was just like, oh my gosh, I'm done. 492 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:59,440 So then I took a break and then, well, maybe not a break. 493 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,120 Maybe it was like a few months late, like this summer. 494 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:03,840 I saw I get another tattoo again. 495 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,440 I was going through it ladies and gentlemen. 496 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,240 So that was my therapy. 497 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,880 So then I decided to get this tattoo, which I don't know if you can see it. 498 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:13,880 Oh, let me turn. 499 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:14,880 Let me turn. 500 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,200 It's from Lord of the Rings. 501 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,280 So it's the sword from Lord of the Rings. 502 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:26,960 And I've always liked Lord of the Rings, but in the story, the main guy, like he's the 503 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,640 heir of the king and he doesn't want to be the king, but there was this famous sword 504 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,320 that got broken and supposed to like destroy evil and everything. 505 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,640 And it's never used again. 506 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,880 Well, the sword gets remade. 507 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,720 And so like this is a tattoo to help me remember like even broken things can be used for a 508 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,960 good purpose. 509 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,480 And so like it's really cool. 510 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:52,320 So I got this one done by a guy, probably 40 minutes outside of Lubbock and it was at 511 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,320 his house. 512 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,920 So like he had his own shop like outside of his house, which, which I like better because 513 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,480 he had like TV, like it was more like comfortable. 514 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,080 It was more relaxed setting. 515 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,440 Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't a shop. 516 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,040 And so he did that one. 517 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,080 And then he did this one, my Jesus one right here. 518 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:18,800 I never thought I'd get a Jesus tattoo, but like if you can kind of see Jesus is like 519 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,560 grabbing the hand of a person, right? 520 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:27,520 So then the original picture, it's the story when Jesus is walking on the water and like 521 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,680 Simon Peter walks on the water, but then he takes his eyes off Jesus and he falls and 522 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,480 then Jesus comes to like reach him back up. 523 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:42,200 And so I wanted the tattoo for Simon Peter not to be there, but just a hand. 524 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,960 So like it's a representation of me, like even when I feel like I'm drowning, Jesus 525 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,360 still has me. 526 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,880 And so, so yeah, so I got that one by the same guy. 527 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,640 And then I got one on the inside of here that says unashamed. 528 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:05,120 It's just letters that say unashamed kind of, it's a symbolism of like my story of like 529 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,840 overcoming shame. 530 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,720 And then like my favorite verse, which is Romans 116, which says I'm not ashamed of 531 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,120 the gospel of Jesus. 532 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,720 So that's, and then this one right here, it's on the inside, but you can kind of see 533 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:19,720 it. 534 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,000 It's a lamp post. 535 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,640 It's like the lamp post from Narnia. 536 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:33,040 And so the symbolism behind that is like even in the darkest and coldest spots, like Jesus 537 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,120 is still the light and I can still be a light. 538 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,800 And so all of them have meanings. 539 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,240 This one was the worst though, I will say it hurt the worst. 540 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,920 And the guy that did it, I think he had a pretty heavy hand. 541 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:46,920 Yeah. 542 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,960 And so like that makes all the difference. 543 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:58,320 And so with tattoos, if you have someone that's a natural artist, most of the time, 544 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,480 they're not as heavy of a hand, right? 545 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,760 And I've heard, I don't think I've ever gotten. 546 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,720 No, I've never gotten tattooed by a female, but they say females most of the time, they 547 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,040 have lighter hands, like they don't bear down as much. 548 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,560 And so it makes it not as like painful. 549 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:20,680 And the funny, the funny story about this one is I actually had a job interview for 550 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,920 the place that I'm at right now. 551 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,480 And I was late to my tattoo appointment because I had that job interview because it went longer 552 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,480 than I thought and I ended up getting the job. 553 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:37,480 And so kind of a cool story, but definitely probably my Jesus tattoo and my sword tattoo 554 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,800 are probably my favorites. 555 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,000 And then the lion one is really cool. 556 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,200 There's a blank space right here. 557 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:49,960 So whenever I have my first child, I'm going to have a lion cub with a crown and then I'm 558 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,960 saving spots. 559 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,080 So however many kids I have, then all the lion cubs will have crowns with their names 560 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,600 on them and they'll all attach to this one, which is kind of a cool idea. 561 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,280 Yeah, no, it is. 562 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,440 And that's kind of what I'm saving space for. 563 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,880 I know when I have kids, like I'll want to put some for my kids on, you know, my body 564 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,560 and whatnot, but good question to your question. 565 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,840 How was the response of other people when you got your tattoos? 566 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,120 Oh, man, it was not good. 567 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,880 So a lot of my family was very religious. 568 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,840 And so the first tattoo I got, of course, I was 18. 569 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,520 I was living at home and my parental units did not believe me. 570 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,960 Like I would, I would told them like, Hey, I made the appointment. 571 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,120 Like I'm going to get this tattoo. 572 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,600 Like I've told them like, and even, you know, to the point where Chris knew the time and 573 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,840 the date, like, you know, it was a thing. 574 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,360 Like it wasn't like a, Hey, I'm going to go get a tattoo. 575 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,120 It was like a planned thing. 576 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,160 And so I remember getting the tattoo coming back home and having it, of course, shrink 577 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,160 wrapped and everything. 578 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,120 And I remember my maternal unit be like, Oh my God, you actually did it. 579 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,120 It's like, what do you think? 580 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,160 You think I was like just fibbing to you? 581 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:08,360 Like I'm going to leave and go get a tattoo and just come back and still not have a tattoo. 582 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,400 And I remember she was not happy about it. 583 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,960 My male parental unit, I don't think he really cared. 584 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,960 But I remember so he had tattoos. 585 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,560 So I don't think he cared. 586 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:25,000 And then I remembered the one who took the most offense to it was my grandmother on my 587 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,640 mother's side. 588 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:35,320 She was absolutely just devastated that I, that her Micah could do something like this 589 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:40,000 and mark his body and more the temple of God that I am. 590 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,760 And now I'm not a temple anymore because I put a graffiti on it. 591 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,880 And you know, it's like, you know, and still to this day, she does not like it. 592 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:56,000 I went on vacation with her and I wore a tank top and she did not like the show and whatnot. 593 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:02,840 But you know, it wasn't a, it wasn't a fantastic response overall, but a lot of people accepted 594 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:03,840 it. 595 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,160 A lot of people were okay with it. 596 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:11,280 And so I think what a lot of people were okay with tattoos, I've noticed it's one of two 597 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,280 things. 598 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,520 Like, stupid people are like, okay, I can't get behind that. 599 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,680 Like I've seen some dudes have like a horrible Pikachu tattoo right here or some crap and 600 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,960 you're like, okay, that looks really dumb. 601 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:31,520 I think because it's tasteful and just like we went through and well done and just like 602 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,920 we went through and taught told you like Chris is our very thought out, mine are all very 603 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:37,920 thought out. 604 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,160 None of these what I love about this, nobody to my knowledge has these tattoos, like these 605 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:49,480 were thought out by myself, like, and just their small aspects to it, like the, the lettering 606 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,120 right here on the back. 607 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,200 If you can see that it's, it looks like steel plated, like, and so I told them like I want 608 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,480 it blue, kind of like a steel plate with, you know, and kind of that design. 609 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,280 And so it wasn't just thought out, it was like, we talked with the artist and said, 610 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,880 here's what we specifically want. 611 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,000 I don't want what everybody else has got. 612 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,880 These have specific meanings to them. 613 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,160 And I think, you know, even if people didn't like them at first, all you have to do is 614 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,560 explain it and be like, well, this is why this is, this is what this is. 615 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,200 They're like, you know what, it becomes art at that point because it's like, okay, this 616 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,760 has meaning, this is in depth, and it's good to look at like a lot of these, I get so many 617 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,880 compliments when I'm out and they're like, what is your tattoo of and the, and you know, 618 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,160 I'll pull up and I'll talk to them. 619 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,120 And I'll even, the biggest thing too, you can't really tell it, I know on camera you 620 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,280 can't really tell it, but the biggest thing that I always get is, wow, and how long ago 621 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,280 did you get these done? 622 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,240 It's like, it's been over 10 years ago and they're like, the color is still really, really 623 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:48,120 vibrant on there after 10 years. 624 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:53,640 Cause normally it fades and I'm like, yeah, I mean, it really is and I'm happy for that. 625 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,360 But I think that also adds to the quality. 626 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,920 The colors are still good. 627 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,840 Everything looks really, really well done. 628 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:05,040 And the color, because I'm about ladies and gentlemen, I'm getting like the traditional 629 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:10,520 like Texas outline tattooed and I'm adding more, some of my flavor, but it's my first 630 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:11,680 color tattoo. 631 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,400 So did the color make it more painful or not, not really? 632 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,840 I mean, where is yours is that is like a painful place anyway. 633 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,120 So yeah. 634 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:28,640 So the color, all of mine have been color besides the, besides the, the clouds. 635 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:35,920 And what I will say about the color, so all of my color has been shading mostly. 636 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,320 This is probably the one that has the most color because it's got red, it's got blue, 637 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,680 it's got orange in here and then it's got yellow around the edge. 638 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:49,680 And for those he used, and we're kind of going nitty gritty, but he used the shading needle, 639 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,480 the one that's got like five prongs on there that are like, and so once you got to that 640 00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:00,880 part, it was okay, it went quick, but it was kind of painful because that five prong shading 641 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,560 needle going up and down, up and down, up and down for a good amount of time. 642 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,480 Like you said, it's fine at first, but once you start, and he has to go over the same 643 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,840 area over and over to make sure that it gets all the color in there. 644 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,600 You don't want to miss a spot and have a little, in my case, a little white patch in there 645 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,960 because you will see that. 646 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:26,440 It's called the color not being packed in, I don't know, ink master. 647 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,440 Yeah. 648 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,320 And so it's okay. 649 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,920 It's just, I'm sure you went through a lot of like you talked about the same thing with 650 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,000 your lion tattoo. 651 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,880 It's probably going to be a lot of the same thing except with color. 652 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,520 It's just going to be, that's just going to be the difference. 653 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,520 Yeah, we'll see. 654 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,840 One more thing on the tattoo front, I just got one more question on that front. 655 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,360 Those are any tattoos that you had thought about that you did not go through with that? 656 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,720 It's like, okay, I had that design and it's like, okay, but after a while you're like, 657 00:36:57,720 --> 00:36:58,720 you know what? 658 00:36:58,720 --> 00:36:59,720 After a second thought. 659 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:00,720 Yeah. 660 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:05,760 There's only one that I, and some of them are still ideas. 661 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,400 It's just, I haven't pulled the trigger on them, but like right here on, because this 662 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,600 arm is pretty much essentially blank except for my one little lettering thing right here. 663 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:22,680 And then my first tattoo, but I thought about getting like great as like fapleness and like 664 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:29,760 lettering, but I've also, I wanted to get like a warrior, like a knight or something, 665 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:35,200 like kind of like on one knee or something, but I've thought about getting like a portrait 666 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,360 of my dad. 667 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,360 I don't know. 668 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:43,560 They're just ideas, but like I think probably the one was like the knight or whatever, like 669 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,520 I thought about it, but again, there haven't been any that I've like sit, sat down and 670 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,720 like, oh yeah, I'm going to get this and then change my mind. 671 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:52,720 I got you. 672 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:57,640 I've only had one that I actually went to the tattoo shop and like had him draw it up. 673 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,400 And in fact, he hit me up for the longest time. 674 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,120 It's like, Hey, I've still got this drawn up. 675 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,160 If you ever want it, like we can, we can do it. 676 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,560 And this is before I met my wife. 677 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:13,320 I was kind of in between that phase of I had broken up with my long-term serious girlfriend 678 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,480 and it was before my wife. 679 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,920 So we were, we were having a good old time, right? 680 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,240 And I was really, of course, I'm really into aviation and everything. 681 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:24,800 So I had a pinup girl idea. 682 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,600 Like yeah. 683 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,200 And did you remember that one? 684 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,200 Maybe. 685 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,440 I think you did tell me about a pinup girl. 686 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,520 So one, I'm glad I didn't go through it because of the pain. 687 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,240 He already told me he's like, we're going to have to split it up between two sessions 688 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,840 because it's going to be on your arm. 689 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:48,040 No, it was going to be right here starting like my ribs and it was going to go all the 690 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,760 way down to like my hip almost like it was going to be like pretty full length of like 691 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,920 my, my chest on the side here. 692 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,920 Nope. 693 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,360 And yeah, it was going to be all painful points. 694 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,440 And he said it's going to be between six and eight hours to do the whole thing. 695 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,240 But you want to know the design. 696 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:10,040 This is ladies and gentlemen, I know this is a family show, but in the design is kind 697 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,120 of wrong. 698 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:18,680 But it was, it was this blonde headed gal who was a topless with like kind of a cowboy 699 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,640 like leather skirt on the bottom riding a bomb. 700 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,760 And underneath it, it said rider, ride them cowgirl underneath there. 701 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,040 I'm glad you didn't get that tattoo. 702 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,040 Yeah, me too. 703 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,040 Me too. 704 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:36,120 But it was just, it was that very typical like pinup from, from the era from like that 705 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,200 time, like the blonde. 706 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:44,200 In fact, if you've ever seen blonde bombshell beer, like there's a beer called blonde bombshell 707 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,960 with like, and it's got a blonde who's like riding a bomb. 708 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,480 It looked very similar to that. 709 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,000 It looked very similar to that. 710 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,800 Dude, like I, I understand people getting their kids names tattooed on them. 711 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:02,000 But like when they get like their boyfriends or girlfriends name, like if it's your wife, 712 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,920 okay, I understand. 713 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,560 I understand 100%. 714 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,880 Like that's different. 715 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,440 Or if you get like the, the ring tattoo finger, I can't. 716 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,440 Cool. 717 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,440 Okay. 718 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,960 Here's, maybe I'm wrong on this. 719 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,800 I feel like that is like, it's such a bad omen. 720 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:24,920 I have met very few people who have gotten tattoo of like the ring deal or whatever. 721 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,960 And then shortly thereafter, it's like they split skis. 722 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,720 It's like, it's almost like a tim tape. 723 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:32,880 It's almost like putting out there like, Oh, you permanent? 724 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:33,880 Like we don't test this. 725 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:39,400 And it's like, man, cause I'm thinking of like three people off the top of my head who 726 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,480 either got that ring tattoo or what? 727 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,960 And it was just like six months after that, it was just like, bam. 728 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,440 And I'm talking in one situation. 729 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,800 They were married for like over 30 years. 730 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,000 And it was like, they got that ring and then split skis. 731 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,600 And so it's like, I don't know. 732 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,760 That's why it's like me and my wife have talked about it. 733 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,920 And it's like, I love you babe, but I'm not, I'm not going to do all that. 734 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,080 I'll get my kids names tattooed on me, but I feel like they're not like it's a bad 735 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,320 omen and I'm not superstitious, but at the same time, it's like just to make sure that 736 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,880 there is not some weird thing to it. 737 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,280 It's like, we know we love each other. 738 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,000 We ain't got to put it on our body. 739 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,000 Yeah. 740 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,600 Or getting somebody's lips tattooed. 741 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,160 Got alone, dude. 742 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,560 Boy, what's, what's next? 743 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,080 You got the lips tattooed here. 744 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,760 You got a little teardrop right here. 745 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,880 Yeah, and then you get, and then you get their name tattooed right here. 746 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:32,880 Right, right over there. 747 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:33,880 Yeah. 748 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,800 Anyway, sorry, that was a long conversation about tattoos, but everybody likes hearing 749 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,520 about tattoos and yeah, tattoos are cool. 750 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:42,720 I love seeing people. 751 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:46,320 And again, like Micah said, they're good conversation pieces. 752 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,520 Like I can share my story through my tattoos and so it's cool. 753 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:51,520 Yeah. 754 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,840 I've connected with so many people just randomly and even people that you wouldn't think would 755 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,240 be into tattoos that are like, oh man, that's really cool. 756 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,200 And like that's, that's really different. 757 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,760 And again, I think it goes back to what you have and things like that. 758 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,600 If you got what everybody else has, I mean, I'm sure most people aren't going to be very, 759 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:09,600 you know, into it. 760 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,040 But if you have something kind of different and out there, I feel like. 761 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:18,440 You got like a pocket watch with the rules or the compass. 762 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,680 Everyone's got like a compass. 763 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,680 Praying hands. 764 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:21,680 Praying. 765 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,800 I mean, I do have a Jesus tattoo, bro. 766 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,800 That's. 767 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,080 Yeah, but you don't have like the praying hands with the rosary. 768 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,400 I've seen that done so many times. 769 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,080 Bro, I wish again, this is a family podcast. 770 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,000 I wish I could say what was in, you know, in those tattoo shops that have the little 771 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,640 book that shows you like what other people have had done. 772 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,240 Bro, that book was wild. 773 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,320 That's what some of these people had had done. 774 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,200 And I am not going into that because that is not family friendly. 775 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:53,800 But anyways, so my next question for you, you're a huge wrestling fan now. 776 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,920 You're like pretty, pretty darn big wrestling fan. 777 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,360 Really I wouldn't necessarily blame it on your parents because I don't think your parents 778 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,360 would have not let you watch wrestling. 779 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,800 I just don't think it was necessarily something they were interested in, nor wanted to spend 780 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,040 money on pay per view and things like that with. 781 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:16,400 The question that I have, do you ever, you know, because you're having to go back and 782 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,400 watch history. 783 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,000 So let me, let me, I know this is going to be kind of a long drawn out question. 784 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,920 So I'm big into football. 785 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,720 I couldn't imagine because I've watched it all these years, right? 786 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:29,720 NFL college. 787 00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:31,440 I've watched it from the other time. 788 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,880 So when people talk about, okay, the David Tyree like helmet catch and stuff like that. 789 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,760 I remember those moments because I saw them live. 790 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:46,000 How is it for you now being a fan watching the history of something happening, say in 791 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,280 2005, or even like the Johns like prime example, John Cena moment when he comes out there and 792 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,320 it's like we killed Osama bin Laden. 793 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,780 Like a lot of people remember that WWE moment. 794 00:43:56,780 --> 00:43:57,780 You aren't watching it. 795 00:43:57,780 --> 00:44:01,960 How do you feel like catching up to it now, I guess. 796 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,800 And do you ever, I don't know if it's necessarily regret because you had no choice, but do you 797 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,560 ever wish like, Hey, I could have watched those things live. 798 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:10,560 Oh yes. 799 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,440 All the time I do wish I could have watched those things live because I would have been 800 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,040 totally into it. 801 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,960 But you also have to think when I grew up and I know why my parents didn't let me watch 802 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:21,960 wrestling. 803 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:27,920 When I grew up during that time of wrestling, that's the DX like suck it days. 804 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:36,000 That's when like on WCW nitro like the like the girls with the very provocative like dressing 805 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,880 and like the they literally had in the early 2000s called they're called bra and panties 806 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,280 matches and like can use your imagination what those are like. 807 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,720 So I mean, I guess, I guess that's true because a lot of our childhood. 808 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:51,720 Not to not to cut you off. 809 00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:59,040 I guess a lot of our childhood knowing some about WWE and then WWF transitioning to WWE, 810 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,560 it was definitely a Jerry Springer like atmosphere. 811 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,800 Like that's what they wanted to bring. 812 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,360 And so I think that I see what you're saying. 813 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,360 I continue though. 814 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,360 Yeah. 815 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,880 So, so yes, obviously there are times where I'm like, man, I wish I could have watched 816 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,200 like John Cena live. 817 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,120 And so it's different because a lot of people are like, Oh yeah, I have this connection 818 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,560 to John Cena and I'm like, he's cool. 819 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,840 There are wrestlers I have connections with because I have gone back and watched the matches. 820 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,000 And I'm like, Oh yeah, this guy is solid like Shawn Michaels. 821 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,760 Shawn Michaels is my favorite of all time. 822 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:36,480 I didn't get to grow up watching Shawn Michaels live or Ric Flair like, you know, and so a 823 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:43,080 lot of what I did to catch up is I would watch like YouTube videos on the history of wrestling 824 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:49,040 or listen to wrestling podcasts of like, Hey, this is what was going on this and that. 825 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,640 And so it is, I do wish it is different. 826 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:57,480 It is hard, but like sitting here now, I'm kind of like, because at the time you're, 827 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,880 you don't know that those moments are viral moments. 828 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,640 But like obviously WrestleMania 40, which was this past April, it's considered one of 829 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,440 the best WrestleMania stories since forever. 830 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,440 Right. 831 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:12,440 Like when Cody finished his story. 832 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,120 It was basically Avengers Endgame. 833 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,520 And so I'm like, yes, I lived through that moment, but I'm like, what other moments have 834 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:25,120 I lived through in wrestling that 20, 30 years down the road, they're going to reference 835 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,120 it. 836 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:31,400 Like obviously there's some stuff that's gone on behind the scenes, like with CM Punk getting 837 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:38,000 into those locker room fights and like legit, that'll be wrestling news and history. 838 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,560 So it's kind of like, it's fun for the ride. 839 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,520 Like wrestling is such storytelling. 840 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,600 So the difference like with football, right? 841 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:52,520 Like you have a few of those moments, but like if you say, okay, the Chicago Bears, 842 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,640 I'm just making this up. 843 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,920 The Chicago Bears won the Super Bowl in 1982. 844 00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:58,920 Okay. 845 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,280 All right. 846 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,840 To most people, it's like, okay, cool. 847 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:03,840 They won. 848 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,120 But like since wrestling is such long term storytelling, like there's a lot of history 849 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,520 you got to catch up on. 850 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,520 You know what I mean? 851 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:17,080 Because other sports, you don't have to catch up on as much history, I feel like, but because 852 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:23,000 they, they'll in wrestling now, they'll use things that happened maybe 20 years ago as 853 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,360 part of a storyline for now. 854 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:34,120 So it's kind of a weird, I think that does happen, but it happens in a different way. 855 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,720 So we all know the NFL is scripted. 856 00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:39,200 I believe it's scripted. 857 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,080 I think it's very much like the WWE. 858 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,280 They know who's going to win the Super Bowl. 859 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:48,280 They've coordinated dramatic moments like it's definitely out there like that. 860 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:54,560 But I think that because sometimes they do bring storylines from way back when it just 861 00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:00,280 depends on, I think a prime example like the Manning family. 862 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,680 So you had Archie the dead, right? 863 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,680 And then you had Peyton Eli came along and that was early in our time, right? 864 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,480 And we saw that happen early in our generation. 865 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:16,800 And now what's interesting is for the University of Texas is Arch Manning, who is the third 866 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,040 generation of Manning family. 867 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:24,320 And so that's definitely a storyline of like, okay, we're seeing the entire lineage and 868 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,720 everybody wants to see Arch Manning play because he's a Manning. 869 00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:32,560 And so it's like, there, I feel like there are some family legacy stories, not nearly 870 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,880 as much as wrestling because wrestling is all about the story. 871 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:43,200 But I do think that there are definitely storylines that they do play on. 872 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:48,560 And every sport does it, NBA does it too about the whole LeBron and then, you know, Brani, 873 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,280 his son coming in playing on the same team and everything like that. 874 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,160 It's all, there's a lot that's just pure storyline. 875 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:04,560 But I do think what's very interesting about football being the sport that, I mean, everybody 876 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,040 is young playing it, even in the NFL, everybody's in their 20s. 877 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,040 It's very rare. 878 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,000 You find guys in their 30s, if you do, they're very good. 879 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,000 They're very good. 880 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,920 And they've been in there for a long time. 881 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:21,080 And what's interesting is seeing these guys be really well and, you know, okay, 10, 15 882 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,960 years ago, I was watching this guy. 883 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,600 And now it's like a prime example, there was a guy named a Sante Samuel. 884 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:28,720 Maybe you remember that guy. 885 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:31,200 He played for the Falcons for a little bit. 886 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,840 And he played for the Eagles and all sorts of stuff. 887 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,680 We're watching a Sante Samuel Jr. now in the league. 888 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,240 We used to have a referee, Sean Hawkely. 889 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:41,520 He was there for a long time. 890 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,520 He retired now. 891 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:43,760 His son's doing it. 892 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,360 So it's like we're seeing interesting. 893 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,600 And so I think where the storylines come into play are for the people. 894 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,520 And I think same thing with wrestling for the really, really diehards who are like, okay, 895 00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:02,040 I remember when this happened or I know about when such and such happened. 896 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,600 And now that has caused this to happen all the way down the line. 897 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,120 Because even there are storylines about like the New York Jets, right? 898 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:14,000 And it's like 20 years ago, this went wrong and that's the chain of events that's gone 899 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,400 all the way till now. 900 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,280 You know, and it'll be, you know, things like that, no use stuff like that. 901 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:24,240 So I agree with you somewhat, but I think it's just different in how they do it. 902 00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:26,000 But I hear how it is. 903 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,880 And the other reason, again, the reason that question came out is because being a football 904 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:35,840 fan and it being somewhat similar, especially in the NFL sense, I couldn't imagine not having 905 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:36,840 those moments. 906 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,480 I do imagine it's just like going back and watching like you would, because I've watched 907 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,320 NFL stuff from like the seventies, eighties. 908 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,600 And it's like, I just wasn't alive. 909 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,200 So I didn't see that stuff. 910 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,440 I'm sure it's just like watching those sort of things, but it just having all that history 911 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,960 in my mind, it's kind of interesting to think like, okay, what if you missed all of that? 912 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:54,960 Yeah. 913 00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,520 And the thing I get frustrated with is people are like, you know, wrestling's fake, right? 914 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:05,560 Again, number one thing that people say when they, and I'm like, it's not fake. 915 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:06,560 It's entertainment. 916 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,720 Like they're still doing the moves. 917 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:10,120 They're still doing all that. 918 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,800 They're just entertaining you. 919 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,160 Like it's all they're doing. 920 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,880 It still takes a lot of athleticism. 921 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,800 I mean, these guys are really their world class athletes and the majority of them are 922 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,440 world class champion wrestlers. 923 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,000 I mean, you take a lot of these guys and you look at their history. 924 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,600 They were national champions in college. 925 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,200 They've wrestled some of them wrestled. 926 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,080 Olympically, like it's not like they're just out there screwing around and doing D. 927 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,300 Like a lot of it takes a lot of practice and a lot of work. 928 00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:41,960 So it's not just, it is truly a show. 929 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,920 Like if you go in with the mindset of like, it's Cirque du Soleil, but kind of different, 930 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:47,920 right? 931 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:48,920 They practice for a show. 932 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,240 They have incredible moves that they do. 933 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,880 It's the same thing with wrestling because the art of doing what they do and not hurting 934 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,440 the other person, it truly is an art. 935 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,760 Cause I mean, you can really hurt somebody with a lot of the moves that they do. 936 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:08,080 And it, the fact that more people don't get hurt at it is quite remarkable. 937 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,080 Really. 938 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,920 Um, okay. 939 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,080 And we might be going into the mind of Micah. 940 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,160 So it might be a long. 941 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:21,960 So you talked about how like hit man and like Pirates of the Caribbean and all that are 942 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,880 like movies that like we're big for you. 943 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,720 And again, we call it, me and Micah called the book of movies, right? 944 00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:32,920 Like the, the little folder where the movies were just put in there. 945 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:39,560 Why do you feel like, um, like now you just still kind of gravitate towards those movies 946 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,840 and it's hard for you to watch newer movies. 947 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,120 Is it a comfort thing or like, and if so, what are 948 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,960 some of the other movies that were like, maybe kind of a staple for you? 949 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,760 Cause I noticed that would be like, when you talk about movies or watch movies, you kind 950 00:52:54,760 --> 00:53:01,280 of go back to like the same movies and a lot of them are movies that were in that, uh, 951 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,280 that folder. 952 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:03,280 Yeah. 953 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,960 So a lot of it is comfort, especially because these movies, there was like 20, 25 movies 954 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:09,960 in this thing. 955 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:15,400 And so, um, for the first year, you know, for 10 years of my life, that's all, that's 956 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,200 all the movies you got unless you find something on cable. 957 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,760 Um, so yeah, there is a comfort factor to it. 958 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,680 There's also a nostalgia factor to it because let's face it, a lot of these movies that 959 00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,880 were in the folder, some of them are mainstream. 960 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,560 Some of them are B rated movies. 961 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:33,920 So a lot of times it's not like you turn on TV and watch, see these movies come on TV. 962 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:41,040 Um, that, and then I think a lot of the problem is, and don't get me wrong, a lot of these 963 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:45,480 movies that were talking about some of them are original, like I'll go to fast and the 964 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:50,280 furious, the fast and the furious idea, the very first one, that was a very original idea 965 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,400 because tuner cars and everything like that was the thing at the time. 966 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,640 And there wasn't any movies about that sort of thing. 967 00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,240 Um, at least not mainstream big ones. 968 00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:08,480 And so on that front, it's like, yeah, but a lot of these other movies were not, how 969 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,480 do I put this? 970 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,160 I didn't follow a lot of the same trends as Hollywood did. 971 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:14,160 Yeah. 972 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,400 Cause I'm, cause I'm kind of like the movies you pick, they're kind of, I mean, they're 973 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,520 not terrible movies, but they're kind of middle of the run movies. 974 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,120 I would say they're, they're not like Academy Award winning. 975 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:26,120 Right. 976 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:30,440 And they're not like, okay, these were box office busters and everybody won Oscars from 977 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,800 these movies or won awards from these movies. 978 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,960 Like it's not those kinds of movies. 979 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:43,000 And so I don't know, I think that it's one nostalgia to a lot of Hollywood movies and 980 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:48,720 a lot of these movies that you see, unless you know, okay, and I hate being like, yeah, 981 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:49,720 I'm a realist. 982 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:55,560 I don't want to be like that, but a lot of what I like to watch movies for is a little 983 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,440 bit more of a realism aspect. 984 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,360 Now a lot of these movies that I'm talking about hit man in particular is not realistic. 985 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,800 A lot of the stuff that it is, it's an action movie. 986 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,960 And you know, like, Hey, it's a little outlandish. 987 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:14,360 I can take a little bit that it's when things get too outlandish, I would give you a prime 988 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:15,360 example. 989 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,360 Chris went and watched the new gladiator movie, which great. 990 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,880 Glad you wanted to go see it. 991 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,240 It was like when he was describing it to me, the first parts, okay, I get that. 992 00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:26,400 I get that. 993 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,920 And then even when, you know, I've seen previews and other people talking about this. 994 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,320 It's like, then we fill it up and fill it up with sharks. 995 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,840 It's like, what? 996 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:35,840 Hold on. 997 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,600 Like, okay, you had me until you lost me. 998 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,720 And I feel like that's where a lot of movies are. 999 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:45,480 And I think the comfort value in knowing that, okay, the storyline is either going to stick 1000 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,440 very consistent or, Hey, I know what the ending to this one is going to be like. 1001 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,360 And it's not going to be some crazy thing. 1002 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,960 Because there's a lot of movies where I come out of this and it's like, man, that was kind 1003 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:55,960 of a waste of time. 1004 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,240 Like that was probably one of these stupidest. 1005 00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:02,240 And we talk about the old hit man with Timothy O'Fant. 1006 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:07,640 One of the prime examples of like a newer version of, and this is also a B rated movie, 1007 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,680 but they came out with hit man, agent 47. 1008 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,040 And in a previous episode, I talked about how horrible that movie was. 1009 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:19,600 And it was just like, you have, I guess it's because you have these expectations of like, 1010 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,080 okay, here's the line that's going to follow. 1011 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:23,480 And it just doesn't. 1012 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:28,320 And you could tell the points where I don't know. 1013 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:33,760 It's one of those things to where it's like, it's comfortable, the things that you know, 1014 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:39,480 but at the same time, I'm not a fan of how a lot of movies are made in, you know, kind 1015 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,360 of the choppy bits. 1016 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,440 Now I will say this, when you had me watch Shutter Island, Shutter Island was a very 1017 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:46,440 good one. 1018 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,440 Yeah. 1019 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:53,560 Like one that I had not watched before that was pretty original idea concept. 1020 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:54,560 Yeah. 1021 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:55,560 And it's good. 1022 00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:01,640 Yeah, and it makes you think, and that's always, that's always a, that's a sign of a good movie. 1023 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,920 If it invokes emotions or makes you think, then you know, the acting was really well. 1024 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:14,240 But for me, there are still, like I like Quentin Tarantino films, but again, what is the, what 1025 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:16,160 is the whole comic denominator there? 1026 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:21,080 A lot of what Quentin Tarantino is going for is it's very raw and very real. 1027 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,440 Like a lot of it is not, there's not a lot of fairy tale. 1028 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,440 Okay, this is kind of outlandish stuff to happen. 1029 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:32,360 A lot of it is kind of harsh, kind of raw, really real. 1030 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:37,640 And you know, I just think a lot of it, especially we go back to the Fast and the Furious example, 1031 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:43,680 the newer movies and even past episode five or, you know, the fifth movie, it's just like, 1032 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:44,680 it's outlandish. 1033 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:45,680 It's Michael Bay film. 1034 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,240 It's like, geez, a loo. 1035 00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:52,520 It's like, just stick to the original premise, but I understand that that theme is gone. 1036 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:53,520 Yep. 1037 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,040 There you go. 1038 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,600 All right. 1039 00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:07,360 So this question, I know for a long time, since I've known you, that there was a calling 1040 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,640 to the ministry and things like that. 1041 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:15,920 Now along the way, there are other career opportunities that you looked into. 1042 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,440 I remember one phase, it was like, I want to go into the Marines, the military, that 1043 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:20,880 sort of thing. 1044 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,880 And I remember at one point it was, you know, president of the United States kind of going 1045 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,920 the political route. 1046 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:33,560 And then at one point there was also the police officer and wanting to do that. 1047 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:40,200 Now what would you say was the absolute defining moment that was like, no, no, ministry is 1048 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:41,680 for me. 1049 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,640 That's what my calling is to do as a job, not just like as a volunteer on Sundays and 1050 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,280 have a separate job from that. 1051 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:53,760 When did you make that realization or did you ever, did you have that light bulb moment 1052 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,680 of like, okay, I need to do this? 1053 00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:01,160 When I was figuring out like, okay, what am I going to do? 1054 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,680 I know that the police officer thing isn't for me. 1055 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,080 And now I need to figure out what I'm going to do. 1056 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:11,640 Which follow up question, what made you think, because ladies and gentlemen, I'll tell you 1057 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,880 this, you were going to school to be a police officer. 1058 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,160 You were very involved in it. 1059 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:22,360 I mean, you were doing school and was working nights, but at the same time, like, I remember 1060 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,720 him studying hard for the classes. 1061 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,160 There was a law class in there. 1062 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,040 I remember him studying really hard for that. 1063 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,280 So what was that kind of change of like, hey, this is not for me. 1064 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:39,040 So this is around the same time that like my life hit rock bottom. 1065 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,800 And I was just kind of like lost. 1066 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,640 And I was like, all right, Lord, like I'm going to do things your way. 1067 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,040 So I was still, I still went to classes. 1068 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,040 Okay. 1069 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,840 I still went to classes during that time. 1070 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:56,200 And I remember like coming up around because I was still working overnight and going to 1071 00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,200 school. 1072 00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,960 So it was a long day, but I wasn't working at Buchra anymore. 1073 00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:03,000 So I remember probably April, May. 1074 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:09,360 I just remember like praying and in my prayer time, the Lord was just, it was very clear 1075 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:14,320 like, Hey, this is the path you want for you, but this is not the path I want for you. 1076 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:22,160 And I was like, okay, it's so like my, my spirit knew like, okay, this is not the path I need 1077 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,160 to be on. 1078 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,160 Okay. 1079 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,160 This is what I wanted to do. 1080 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,320 It's not what God has for me. 1081 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:28,320 And I knew that was pretty clear. 1082 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,520 And I was like, I'm going to finish up, figure out what I want to do. 1083 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,920 And so I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do. 1084 01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:42,280 And I remember like ministry was kind of always in the back of my mind, but I was not like, 1085 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,520 Oh yeah, let's go. 1086 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:51,720 And so what's funny was, so I worked overnight with a group of probably nine to 10 guys. 1087 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,040 And I was full time. 1088 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:57,800 And so on overnight crews, like the people around there, I would say are rough around 1089 01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:58,800 the edges. 1090 01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:59,800 Okay. 1091 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:00,800 Rough around the edges. 1092 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,240 Cause most people overnight, it's overnighters like overnighters. 1093 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,680 There's a, there's a vibe. 1094 01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:11,560 Like the thing is nice people, but like, typically overnighters, it's a little rough, but good. 1095 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:17,640 And again, I'm not saying this with judgment, but this is just, I mean, there were ex-convicts, 1096 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,960 stoners, people that just didn't fit in. 1097 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:24,400 Like, I don't know, people who were just kind of felt like outcasts. 1098 01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:29,600 And I remember like having several conversations and like, I never, like I would talk about 1099 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,880 my faith if we come up in conversation. 1100 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,240 And it did come up in conversation, but people knew what I was about. 1101 01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,960 Like people knew I lived my life the way I live. 1102 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,800 And people knew that I had faith in Jesus. 1103 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,800 And so like people respected that, like they were like, Oh yeah, like we know he's not 1104 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,200 going to cuss like when he's here, we know that he's not going to go party. 1105 01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,400 Like we, and they, they respected that. 1106 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,360 And they were like, Hey, we're having a party after work. 1107 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,320 Like we wouldn't bite you, but we respect you too much. 1108 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,520 You know, they're not, and I appreciate that. 1109 01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,080 Like they knew what was up. 1110 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:03,640 And so I remember them being like, several of them like, you know what, you should be 1111 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:04,640 a pastor. 1112 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,600 Like you should be, and I was like, nah, like I don't want to be a pastor. 1113 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:09,800 That's cool for other people. 1114 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,320 And they were like, they were, they would call me their pastor. 1115 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:13,760 They'd be like, you're our pastor. 1116 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:18,040 Like, and these were people like, some of them didn't really even believe in Jesus, but like, 1117 01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,040 they would like, yeah, that's the pastor right there. 1118 01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,520 You're our pastor. 1119 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:27,680 So I remember having one specific conversation, like, and again, other people had talked to 1120 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:32,520 me about it and like, there were just confirmations through other people, but I was just like, 1121 01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,840 nah, like being a pastor is not it for me. 1122 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:41,720 I remember one conversation specifically with my friend, Austin, which I'm still friends 1123 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,760 with, he's also my wrestling friend. 1124 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,480 And he was like, bro, he was like, you really need to think about like being a pastor. 1125 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,480 He was like, you be, he was like, you teach people without teaching people. 1126 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:56,360 And he was like, you know what you're about, like you stand on your beliefs and your values. 1127 01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,280 And he was like, you would be a really good pastor. 1128 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:03,880 And I don't know, just hearing it from him, like, I was like something clicked. 1129 01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,680 And I was like, okay, like, let me start pursuing this. 1130 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:12,800 And I remember having conversations with my dad and about like going into ministry. 1131 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,640 So I started looking at schools. 1132 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:19,800 And yeah, it was probably around that May time. 1133 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:20,800 Yeah. 1134 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,760 It was probably end of April, early May. 1135 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,640 And I went to go tour. 1136 01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,920 I was going to look at colleges. 1137 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,720 Like what do I need to do? 1138 01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:35,360 I did doing Lee University online, looked at going to Southwest Theological Seminary, 1139 01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,480 which is in Fort Worth. 1140 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,720 And I remember I actually took a tour there. 1141 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:44,000 And what was cool was like, if you did a campus tour, like they actually kind of had a place 1142 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,000 for you to stay overnight. 1143 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,040 So I remember like, I went there, toured it. 1144 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,760 And it was like, I'm not sure about this, like maybe, because I was still going to have 1145 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,600 to finish my undergrad. 1146 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,760 And just like, what are my credentials in ministry even look like? 1147 01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,800 Like, what is that going to be like? 1148 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,000 What am I going to do? 1149 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,480 And like, still on that ministry journey. 1150 01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,920 I remember like visiting my dad and mom. 1151 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,880 And I remember like going to the bookstore and my dad was like, okay, like, let's look 1152 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,000 at getting you like some pastor. 1153 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,480 I call them my Jedi manuals, plaster books. 1154 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,120 Like, let me look at that. 1155 01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,120 And so I remember that. 1156 01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,960 And then my dad passed away in January. 1157 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,760 And I took a month to be with my mom and everything. 1158 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:33,040 And then I got connected with people at church that was like, hey, like help out a youth 1159 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:34,040 ministry. 1160 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:35,960 I was just serving wherever I could. 1161 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:42,680 And then like, probably the moment to answer your question, this is a long, long answer. 1162 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:48,520 But I remember the first time where I was like, okay, this is what I was made to do. 1163 01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,280 I started in prison ministry. 1164 01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,920 Okay, I started in prison ministry. 1165 01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,720 And they were like, okay, you're going to get up there and you're going to give like 1166 01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,400 15 minutes sermon, 10 minutes sermon. 1167 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:04,320 I remember first sermon I ever gave 10 minutes and it's about Rahab. 1168 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:08,400 Okay, about Rahab the prostitute. 1169 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:14,520 And I remember and if you guys knew me before like the podcast and like public speaking 1170 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,920 was not a thing for me, like getting up in front of people, not a thing for like, Mike 1171 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,840 had talked about it a couple of episodes ago. 1172 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:23,760 I was the guy that was behind the camera. 1173 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:29,520 Like behind the scenes, like that's how I preferred it to like even, even acts of recognition, 1174 01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:33,120 like say, okay, hey, we're going to pull you up on stage and say thanks for all the work 1175 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:34,120 you're doing. 1176 01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:35,120 Didn't like that kind of stuff. 1177 01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,120 I still don't like that kind of stuff. 1178 01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,680 I'm just a little bit more comfortable with being on stage now, just a little bit. 1179 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,320 I still get nervous. 1180 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:49,880 But I remember like preaching to 70 inmates in a prison in Snyder, Texas. 1181 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,720 And I remember that being the moment of like, okay, this is what I was made to do. 1182 01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,920 So I started doing prison ministry, started doing youth ministry. 1183 01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:02,560 And I remember like, I would get up there and like, I would like even just the host 1184 01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:06,960 moments that was like five minutes, like, and before a person, like I get up there with 1185 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,760 a microphone and I get off the stage and people were like, where did that come from? 1186 01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,320 Like, well, you know, you could like talk like that. 1187 01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,480 Like, you know, you got an anointing on you. 1188 01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:20,120 And I was just like, okay, I guess I don't know. 1189 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:24,920 And then started teaching in kids ministry and like, that's when I was like, oh yeah, 1190 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:30,200 like, and all this time, like I'm going to school online to like be a pastor and everything. 1191 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,440 And so figuring out, okay, like, do I get a job? 1192 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:34,760 Like what am I going to do? 1193 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:41,080 But like, I knew ministry full time was like a, like a job and a career path for me. 1194 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:46,800 And then even the part where I got divorced and I stepped out of ministry for a season, 1195 01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:51,240 like even then, like I was wrestling with like, what am I going to do with the rest 1196 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:52,240 of my life? 1197 01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,320 I thought being a pastor was off the table. 1198 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:58,840 But like, once you found what you're made to do when you're not doing it, like everything 1199 01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:03,880 in you is like, like grinding and you're like, I was amazed. 1200 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,600 Like there's nothing wrong with stocking shelves that united, but like, I know that there's 1201 01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,120 something else out there. 1202 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:10,120 Yeah. 1203 01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:15,600 And the biggest thing, you know, being with you in that time, it was hard because you're, 1204 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,400 you didn't have any purpose. 1205 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,640 And Chris, he's a lot like me in that fast. 1206 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,560 You got to have some sort of purpose. 1207 01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:28,000 It's not one of those things to where we're not the kind of people that you could be like, 1208 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:33,120 okay, I want you to do a to B every single day. 1209 01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,280 And you know, you're going to collect a check for it. 1210 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,320 There's got to be a bigger goal. 1211 01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:42,040 There's got to be, okay, we need to start figuring out how a to B to C works now. 1212 01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:43,560 There's got to be something further than that. 1213 01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:44,560 Or it's just upsetting. 1214 01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,400 It's just like, okay, there's no progress being made. 1215 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:54,200 And so I think that was, that was where a lot of it was, was just there was, it was fine. 1216 01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,560 It was a job, but where's, where's the means to an end? 1217 01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,200 This is just we're stocking shelves. 1218 01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,840 Somebody's going to buy corn tomorrow, which means we're going to have to stock that all 1219 01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,080 over again. 1220 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:05,280 And I collect my check. 1221 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,040 And so there just wasn't anything purposeful there. 1222 01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:09,040 Yeah. 1223 01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:14,440 And even like, um, when I started moving up the ranks, even, I mean, and the one thing 1224 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:21,160 that, and this is not like a brag on me, this is a brag like on the Lord, but like everywhere 1225 01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:27,560 I've gone, like the Lord has just given me favor and like, I've gotten promoted part. 1226 01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:28,760 I mean, I work hard. 1227 01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,440 Don't get me wrong, but I have favor. 1228 01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:36,080 And so like, I was moving up the ranks and I thought, okay, once I become a store director, 1229 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,920 like, is that it? 1230 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,200 Like, is this it for me? 1231 01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,280 Like, and I thought this was it for me. 1232 01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,960 And you're going to judge me and you're going to think this is weird. 1233 01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,640 But I was watching a boy meets world episode, right? 1234 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:52,840 And so his dad was a store director, like a grocery manager, and he has this moment in 1235 01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:57,880 his life, like later on in the series where he's like, is this it for me? 1236 01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:58,880 I'm just a grocer. 1237 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,320 Like what is, what else is my purpose? 1238 01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:06,240 And I had that thought, like, and then like trying to apply for jobs and being like, okay, 1239 01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:07,320 I guess this is not it. 1240 01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:12,640 I just knew like, God have more for me than just stocking shelves and there's nothing. 1241 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,120 I'll go back to stocking shelves any day of the week. 1242 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:19,120 Like if the Lord asked me to like, I'm not above that, but at the same time, like, like 1243 01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:23,160 Mike had said, trying to find that purpose and, and all that good stuff. 1244 01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:24,160 So yeah. 1245 01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:25,160 Yeah. 1246 01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,280 And now you're about to have that Kurt Warner story. 1247 01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:33,640 I was stocking shelves now I'm about to be a start in QB, uh, in the NFL, in the pros. 1248 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,760 But, but yeah, now I completely understand. 1249 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:38,760 I get you. 1250 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:43,800 Yeah, all right, my question is kind of, it's a little bit similar to the question, but 1251 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,280 just with a different twist. 1252 01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:53,280 So and we've kind of maybe talked about this in other episodes, but if your kids self could 1253 01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,680 see you now, is there anything that they'd be surprised about? 1254 01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:02,080 Be like, Oh, wow, I didn't know I was going to do X or I didn't know I was going to lead 1255 01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,960 this or I didn't know. 1256 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:05,960 What would that be? 1257 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:06,960 Wow. 1258 01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,840 You're not a pilot yet. 1259 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,440 On the positive side, not the negative side, the positive side. 1260 01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:20,080 Well, and like the thing is kid me wouldn't be upset with the fact that I'm not like, 1261 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,600 if I explained the whole thing, they'd be like, okay, I get where what's happening. 1262 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:25,720 I just wouldn't have expected that. 1263 01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,200 Like I think it'd been like, Oh man, you're, you're almost 30 years old. 1264 01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:33,560 And like, if you would have told 15, 16 year old be like, Hey, you're going to fast forward 1265 01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:34,920 to 30, what are you doing? 1266 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:39,160 Like that's the that's the answer like, Hey, you're a commercial pilot and you're married. 1267 01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,360 But you know, path path went a little different. 1268 01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:48,720 I think for me, and I'm not going to talk too much about what I'm doing work wise right 1269 01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:54,040 now, but the current position that I'm in, I recently got a promotion. 1270 01:10:54,040 --> 01:11:01,320 And like for a 29 year old to be in the position that I'm in is not very common. 1271 01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:06,560 And like, again, I'm not trying to be hump brag or try to like be like, Oh man, like 1272 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:13,040 this is, you know, but what's, I guess what's hard now is if I were to say like, Hey, we're 1273 01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:17,360 not a pilot, but we're doing this instead. 1274 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:21,280 And working with the government and doing what I'm doing right now, they'd be like, 1275 01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:25,400 Oh wow, like how in the heck did you get from there to there? 1276 01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:30,120 Because I mean, shoot, even me four or five years ago, I'd have been like, shoot, how 1277 01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:31,880 did we get from here to there? 1278 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,160 Because that'll make no sense. 1279 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:35,520 That's a meteoric rise. 1280 01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:40,160 Like that's not, that's not a, and I'm just talking about career wise, right? 1281 01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:46,720 But to answer your question, I think, yeah, they're like, there would be some shocks and 1282 01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:51,560 there'd be some like, okay, I thought we would be different in like a different spot. 1283 01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:56,360 But overall, I think like myself at a younger age, if they were to take a spotlight and 1284 01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,920 say, Hey, you know, this what's going on, I think, I think be happy to be like, Hey, 1285 01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:03,320 there are things pretty, pretty held down. 1286 01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:07,800 Like, I mean, there's, there's a few things that could change, but overall, like it could 1287 01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,800 have went a lot worse from here to here to there, you know, 1288 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:19,000 Would they be sorry, not they, they them, would he, would little Micah be, how do you 1289 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:26,680 think he would feel about you being more of a homebody and more like reserved now that 1290 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:32,880 you kind of, because, because to be honest, man, I'm not, I'm not saying like you push 1291 01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:37,720 everyone away, but you, I mean, you have good reason, you kind of like, yeah, takes a while 1292 01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,720 for you to, you know, 1293 01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:45,640 Yeah, and that and what he's also alluding to is that used to not be me, like it was 1294 01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:51,280 one of those things where I would, I wanted to talk to people, like I wanted to have to 1295 01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:56,160 talk to everybody, it didn't matter who was and I'm not really like that anymore. 1296 01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:59,600 So, little Micah was a little bit more, 1297 01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,520 That's not to anybody to listen. 1298 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:09,440 Yeah, but like, I'm also like, thinking about little Micah of my head, very opinionated 1299 01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:11,480 and very strong opinions. 1300 01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:16,480 And so the thought that came to my mind is it's like, if you could show eight, nine, 1301 01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:20,720 10 year old, even to accelerate that to middle school, like 12, 13 year old and be like, 1302 01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:25,720 this is you now, I'd be like, what happened to you? 1303 01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:30,000 I think that's what, what the legitimate answer would be, like, what happened to you? 1304 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,880 Like, you were, you were wild and crazy, man. 1305 01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,520 Like, we're, we're wild and crazy. 1306 01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:39,440 And it's like, and now you're all calmed down and, you know, it's like, because it would, 1307 01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:43,600 that would be the shocking part is like, man, you're really calmed down and like, you don't 1308 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:50,160 do nearly the amount of just crazy outlandish outbursty kind of things that you did do. 1309 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,840 And so I think that's very different. 1310 01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:57,960 I don't know, I think it would be, I don't think I'd really recognize myself from then 1311 01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:58,960 to now. 1312 01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,120 I think it'd be like, wow, that's, that's really weird. 1313 01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:07,160 And I think a lot of that is maturation because in understanding time and place, but I think 1314 01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:12,280 a lot of it is just, you go through lots of life experiences, like humor definitely gets 1315 01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:19,200 me through a lot of life experiences, but not nearly as like for a long time, I had 1316 01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:23,280 to use that as just getting through moments, even tense moments. 1317 01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,080 And a lot of times that's, that's why Chris and I are friends, tense moments, you make 1318 01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:27,080 a little joke about it. 1319 01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:31,960 It makes the moment a lot less tense or you, you share a look of like, oh my gosh. 1320 01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:33,720 And he's like, yeah, I know, right? 1321 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,880 Or even I do that with my wife or whatever. 1322 01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:40,160 And it breaks those and I still have those things, but it's not nearly as much as I feel 1323 01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:44,320 like at those ages, it's like, I wasn't very subtle. 1324 01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,040 It's like, well, that's an awkward moment. 1325 01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:49,960 And you'll be, and I'll be just shooting off at the mouth. 1326 01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,160 And I've learned over time, like, Hey, that's not particularly good. 1327 01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,800 Like, yeah, it is when you're with your friend, be like, well, that was awkward. 1328 01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:57,800 And it's like, haha. 1329 01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:58,800 Yeah, it was. 1330 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,240 But when you're in a whole entire room with other people and they're the ones making it 1331 01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:07,360 awkward, or maybe it's not awkward to them or in, you call that stuff out. 1332 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:13,400 And I would always, it would, tell me if I'm wrong. 1333 01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,800 Something that I said, there was no question about what I was thinking in my mind, because 1334 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,560 I just told you, I just, I just told you exactly what it was. 1335 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,200 And I think that's a lot of what's changed is I don't say a lot what's on my mind. 1336 01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:28,360 A lot of that is, I think about things a lot more. 1337 01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:32,760 And there's a lot of like Chris gets my genuine self and a lot of other people get my genuine 1338 01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:33,760 self. 1339 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:35,080 And I'm very genuine on this podcast. 1340 01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,120 I'm not saying that, but I still am very careful in what I say. 1341 01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,280 And the exact thoughts that I'm having are not shooting out of my mouth. 1342 01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:42,800 I think that's the biggest difference. 1343 01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:48,160 It's funny because, and again, not so much, but it's like we talked about on the podcast, 1344 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:49,960 we've kind of flipped. 1345 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,520 And because of my job, I have to be more social now. 1346 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:57,400 Again, people still drain me, but like on a Sunday morning, I can turn it on, but like, 1347 01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:58,400 hey, how are you? 1348 01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:03,360 Or like, we're in a table and no one's talking like, I can be the extroverted one. 1349 01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:11,000 And so like, dude, nine year old Christopher would be scared out of his mind, like crazy. 1350 01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:15,840 And then like, I think I even just thinking about like, again, getting up on a stage and 1351 01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:21,240 preaching or that like, that would have been like, whoa, like what the heck? 1352 01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,800 But I think even thinking about Easter, right? 1353 01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:30,280 Like 16, 17 year old me could see us doing that, but like, definitely nine year old, 1354 01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:31,440 definitely not. 1355 01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:37,400 And then like just being not confrontational, but like having hard conversations. 1356 01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:41,920 And I think the Lord has used that this year for me, because I've had to have a lot of 1357 01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,160 hard conversations where before I would just ignore it. 1358 01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,360 Like I just be like, well, we're just going to let it go. 1359 01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:53,720 And like even 19 year old me, like if I had a problem with you, I didn't say anything. 1360 01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:54,720 I just let it go. 1361 01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,440 And it was very passive aggressive. 1362 01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:01,320 And so like, I'm not perfect, but I'm better. 1363 01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,480 And so it's, it's different. 1364 01:17:03,480 --> 01:17:10,760 And like kind of going back to the pastor thing, so like my, my dad wanted to be a pastor. 1365 01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:12,400 And that was a big desire of his. 1366 01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:16,560 And there were times like where he went to Bible school and this and that. 1367 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:22,600 And I know he felt a call of ministry on his life, but to like see like the dreams my dad 1368 01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,320 had and like, I'm living those out. 1369 01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:30,920 And that's like, cause I'm sitting here like, man, like, like, and there, and it gets me 1370 01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,840 sad cause I'm like, man, I wish my dad were here to see me like not, and I'm not bragging 1371 01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:39,960 on me, but like just where the Lord has brought me like, if my dad, man, you're a pastor 1372 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,240 and like you're, you're doing what I always wanted to do. 1373 01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,160 Like, I know he'd be proud. 1374 01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:50,800 And so, um, and I'm, and I'm reaping the benefits cause I mean, that man bought a lot of like, 1375 01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,200 uh, commentaries and study books. 1376 01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:54,800 And like, I have all those. 1377 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:59,000 And so I'm very fortunate and blessed that I do have those cause those do help me in 1378 01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,000 my job. 1379 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:05,200 And like, it's funny cause like nine year old us would not recognize ourselves right 1380 01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:06,200 now. 1381 01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:07,200 No, no. 1382 01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:11,520 And even, you know, we, you, you see in the intro when it's like, we, we came up with 1383 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:15,760 a, with a variety show called the Krispy Kreme show. 1384 01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:20,440 It's like even us at that phase of life wouldn't, wouldn't recognize what's going on. 1385 01:18:20,440 --> 01:18:24,320 It's like, yeah, you, you've got a podcast and it'd be like, okay, I can see that happening. 1386 01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,280 Like, okay, I could see that. 1387 01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:32,120 Like the content that we do, the way that we deliver it, everything like that, it's 1388 01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,000 similar, but it's different. 1389 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:35,000 And that's a good thing. 1390 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:40,880 It's just, again, I think we wouldn't recognize ourselves at all and be like, really? 1391 01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:41,880 Okay. 1392 01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:42,880 That's, that's interesting. 1393 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:43,880 Um, all right. 1394 01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,360 Do you want to do one more question each? 1395 01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:47,360 Yep. 1396 01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:48,360 I only have one more question anyway. 1397 01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:49,360 Okay. 1398 01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:50,360 Perfect. 1399 01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:51,360 Perfect. 1400 01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:52,360 Me too. 1401 01:18:52,360 --> 01:19:03,280 So out of all of the things that we have done as far as trips, um, and, you know, experiences 1402 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:11,120 and things like that, is there one that stands out that's like, okay, I, and this is a hard 1403 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:15,880 question because there's so many that stand out for different reasons. 1404 01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,160 Um, but I'm just curious. 1405 01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:25,000 It's kind of like a psychiatrist with eat but thing is just like, when I say experiences, 1406 01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:26,000 what comes to mind? 1407 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,000 Um, probably, I would say the best ones. 1408 01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:38,440 Um, definitely when we went to Dallas slash Arlington this last time, which was three 1409 01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:45,760 years ago, um, when we went to go watch the Rangers and like, I felt like granted when 1410 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:50,000 we went to Dallas when we first moved to Texas, like, yeah, we're kind of adults, but I felt 1411 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:55,440 like this past time was like our first adult, adult trip where we had like money and like 1412 01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:59,240 as adults, we went to a baseball game. 1413 01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,440 We had a lot more control of what we, what we could do. 1414 01:20:02,440 --> 01:20:05,960 We had a, I feel like we had, uh, an adult plan. 1415 01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:11,600 Like we actually planned everything very thoroughly to the point where it was like, man, we, we 1416 01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:16,360 knew exactly who was taking us where, at what point and what time we needed to be there. 1417 01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,000 Like we were very, very on point. 1418 01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,640 It's interesting you say that and this is where our minds are very, because I was thinking 1419 01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:27,720 about that same trip and, um, I don't know why, but I was thinking about the food on 1420 01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:29,400 that trip and I don't know. 1421 01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:30,400 I don't know why. 1422 01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,880 Um, we went to, what was that place called? 1423 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:33,880 Babes. 1424 01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:38,920 Babes with all the sides where it's like unlimited sides and, uh, which they open one here where 1425 01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,960 I'm living at and I said I had been, but it's like, maybe I'll have to go back. 1426 01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:47,740 But I just remember like loading up on all the sides you can want on that deal. 1427 01:20:47,740 --> 01:20:52,440 And then, uh, we went over to that seafood spot and ate there a couple times as well. 1428 01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:56,200 And, um, you know, it was just, yeah, no, I agree with you. 1429 01:20:56,200 --> 01:21:01,440 And, you know, Chris and I, we've, we've kind of talked about this too. 1430 01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:03,880 I don't know why this is so fun. 1431 01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:05,200 You can watch TV at home. 1432 01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:06,640 You got TV at home. 1433 01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:11,200 There's something just so nice about going to a hotel and being like, let me flip on 1434 01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:12,200 the TV. 1435 01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:16,560 It's like, you got cable, old fashioned cable. 1436 01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,800 It's just like, and I know this sounds bad, but it's just, it's like, I don't have the 1437 01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,520 responsibilities of Hulu or Netflix. 1438 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,160 They pick it for me. 1439 01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:28,760 Comcast or whoever, direct TV, whoever they're picking. 1440 01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:33,880 Now, I mean, channels nowadays it's like, okay, we're doing a 24 hour marathon. 1441 01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:39,440 Like used to be like marathons, but now it's just, you know, straight, straight, I mean, 1442 01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:45,720 true TV is pretty much, um, you know, impractical Joker channel at this point, but, um, but 1443 01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,760 it'll be cool stuff like that. 1444 01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:54,640 Another one that really comes up for me is, um, speaking of six flags, six flags over Georgia 1445 01:21:54,640 --> 01:22:00,720 when, when we drank all the NOS, um, there was a lot of, there was a lot of lesson learning 1446 01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,580 experiences and trips. 1447 01:22:03,580 --> 01:22:06,360 That was one of them, but I don't know why they're all six flags trips. 1448 01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:10,000 The other one that I remember is driving two, six flags when you got your Buick. 1449 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,000 Oh yeah. 1450 01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:12,360 That was a big one for me. 1451 01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:13,360 Yeah. 1452 01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,580 That was like a fun, like it was a fun trip. 1453 01:22:15,580 --> 01:22:16,580 Nothing crazy happened. 1454 01:22:16,580 --> 01:22:24,600 I broke my phone while I was trying to flirt with the ladies and that was a quite upsetting. 1455 01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,800 And then the other thing, I don't know if you remember this on that trip. 1456 01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:33,480 We were driving in the Buick and my grandmother calls and she was like, she was like, where 1457 01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:34,480 do you do? 1458 01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:37,600 And I was like, Oh, I'm, I'm going to Chris to Atlanta, just the two of you. 1459 01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,520 Oh, she freaked out. 1460 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:45,520 And cause Chris was 17, I was 16 and she just wigged out of like, Oh y'all are by yourself 1461 01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,800 and taking a long trip to a big city. 1462 01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,640 It's like, there ain't no big deal. 1463 01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:51,640 There ain't no thing. 1464 01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:52,640 I guess whatever. 1465 01:22:52,640 --> 01:23:00,280 Um, I think another one would probably be as a whole, uh, when, and this is bad ladies 1466 01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:04,960 and gentlemen, I just talked about being a pastor, um, but when we would skip church 1467 01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,880 to go out to eat, like that was fun for me. 1468 01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:09,160 Like I enjoyed that. 1469 01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:15,720 Or like even after we moved to Texas, like when we would just hang out and like play 1470 01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:21,800 X box and just go out to eat after church and no responsibilities. 1471 01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:22,800 Mainly. 1472 01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:23,800 Yeah. 1473 01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:24,800 That was, that was fun. 1474 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:29,400 And then of course we had plenty of boot corral times, uh, the one time that I'm thinking 1475 01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,840 in particular, and there's a few people that are probably watching this that are going 1476 01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:36,720 to laugh at this is, uh, whatever a dust storm would roll in. 1477 01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:40,920 And I remember there were several times this big dust storm was coming and we had to like 1478 01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:42,680 get the trash into the trash can. 1479 01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:47,360 I just remember standing on all these boxes in a trash can and all these customers are 1480 01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:52,840 walking in this store and we're hollering at them, uh, because dust storms in West Texas 1481 01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:53,840 to call them. 1482 01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:59,840 I think that's like the Arabic word for dust storm and so we, I don't know, but I just 1483 01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:03,840 know that we were standing in that dumpster and we would yell, hoop, boop, get inside. 1484 01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:04,840 It's dangerous. 1485 01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:13,680 We would yell stupid crap all like, it was just, this is, uh, again, this is the last 1486 01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:20,040 one I'll share, but the day that we were bored and we decided to go to different places 1487 01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:25,720 and just prank them and mess with them, like when we went to like the jewelry store and 1488 01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,840 pretended like I was getting engaged and I was buying a ring. 1489 01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:34,320 We went to, when we went to the car dealership, like all that, like just going to different 1490 01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:40,160 places and like, Mexico with the sales people, which, you know, like we said, it comes, it's 1491 01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:41,160 come back. 1492 01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,680 Oh yeah. 1493 01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:48,240 That's, that's what we called free fun, free entertainment right there is because we're 1494 01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:53,120 going there and it would take like, it was free and it would take like 30 minutes to 1495 01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:57,040 an hour most of the time and we, you'd always plan it real well. 1496 01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:01,400 I remember our, our buddy, one of the buddies we had at the time, every time we would go 1497 01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:05,560 to the car dealership, we would always either take his truck or I remember at one point 1498 01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:08,680 he had like a Mercedes that we, one of his family members had. 1499 01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:13,680 So we'd always take that onto the lot and all the, all the salesmen being all over you 1500 01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:20,000 boy and it was, it was harsh because we would take them, we would take test drives and we 1501 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,480 would get them all the way into the little office where they'd be talking numbers and 1502 01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:26,560 we would decline at the last minute. 1503 01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:28,040 That's normal. 1504 01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:35,400 Alright, last question and we, we were talking about this before the, the podcast before 1505 01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:42,960 we started recording, but like, and I, I'm unofficially diagnosing us both with ADHD, 1506 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:43,960 okay? 1507 01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:45,640 I firmly believe I have it. 1508 01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:46,640 Oh yeah. 1509 01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:52,160 What, what helps you focus and then what, what are like some of the ticks or like things 1510 01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:58,320 that kind of like trigger you that are maybe over stimulates you that are like little ticks 1511 01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,560 or triggers and how do you overcome them? 1512 01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,000 So that's a really good question. 1513 01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,280 I'm still learning a lot of these things. 1514 01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:08,280 I think I'm ADHD. 1515 01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,040 I've always thought that too. 1516 01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:15,520 I have a hard time focusing on a lot of things for long term. 1517 01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:21,640 And another thing that I think is a key diagnosis is I don't like to start things and finish 1518 01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:23,480 things all in one go. 1519 01:26:23,480 --> 01:26:28,280 I've noticed I will start 30,000 things and work on them and then I'll go from one thing 1520 01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,960 to the other to the other and eventually get them all done. 1521 01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:34,600 And then it's like, okay, I got all these things done, but I've noticed that most people 1522 01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:38,280 will take one thing, they'll go and they'll do it all the way to completion. 1523 01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:39,640 I'm just not that way. 1524 01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:43,760 And it could be anything like I'm talking like if I'm texting Chris back and that is 1525 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:49,680 a task on my to-do list in my mind, I will halfway tech and then I'll be like, hmm, 1526 01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:50,880 I got to think about that. 1527 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:52,040 I'll hop over to something else. 1528 01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,560 I'll work on that for a little bit. 1529 01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:56,280 And then I'll put that on pause. 1530 01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,240 I might go back to the Chris text or whatever. 1531 01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:05,280 I've noticed that getting to the triggers, I've noticed that it gets to the point where 1532 01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:09,360 it's almost like when you're doing that and you have too many things going on. 1533 01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:12,120 I'm an IT solver, quite it to this. 1534 01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,280 It's like having a browser with too many tabs open. 1535 01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:16,120 You got all these tabs open. 1536 01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,120 You got all this stuff going on. 1537 01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:22,640 And it gets to the point where it's like you get overwhelmed, but you don't realize it 1538 01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,920 at first and you're sitting here like, I don't know what's going on with me. 1539 01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:26,920 I feel weird. 1540 01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:27,920 I don't know. 1541 01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,400 I'm getting very irritable. 1542 01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:34,160 And a lot of it has to do with the fact that I've just gotten myself into way too much 1543 01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:41,000 and I've started way too many things that I need to either say, okay, these items I've 1544 01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:45,000 started, but really I don't need to do them right now. 1545 01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:50,280 And you know, that tends to help because you go, because for some reason in my mind, and 1546 01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:56,200 maybe this is your mind too, I make up these things of like, it goes from, I would really 1547 01:27:56,200 --> 01:28:01,080 like to get this done today to know this is getting done today. 1548 01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,080 It all starts as that real innocent thought of like, okay, I would like to get this done. 1549 01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,680 I would be happy if I got all this stuff done. 1550 01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:10,360 I would be over the moon if I got all of this stuff done. 1551 01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:14,760 And then before you know it, it's like the over the moon items are now, no, that is your 1552 01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:15,760 to do list. 1553 01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:19,160 Like you will be over the moon today and we are getting all this stuff done. 1554 01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:24,720 And so a lot of times it has to be either me talking with my wife and saying, hey, I got 1555 01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:25,880 myself into too much. 1556 01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:31,960 I need your help because there's a few things that you can take care of that is just freaking 1557 01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,920 me out because there's too much stuff to do now and the time and the amount of time that 1558 01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:37,440 I need to do it. 1559 01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:43,480 Or again, I'll go through my mind and say, hey, what needs to be done today? 1560 01:28:43,480 --> 01:28:47,480 What does not need to be done to like this podcast, for instance, we'll record it. 1561 01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:49,000 I'll edit these things. 1562 01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:54,080 And there will be some times where I'll say if I can get this thing edited today, I'll 1563 01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:55,680 be happy with it. 1564 01:28:55,680 --> 01:29:00,760 And even like last week, I had to say, it's okay, you got it 95% done. 1565 01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:04,040 You're literally to the point because you have to watch for the triggers too. 1566 01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:08,040 You have to watch for the point where it's like you're actually not getting work done. 1567 01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:11,680 You feel like you are, but you're actually screwing things up and you'll have to go back 1568 01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:13,760 and do it later on. 1569 01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:19,400 And so there's a lot of things to watch for, but I feel like I'm kind of getting to a place 1570 01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:24,320 to understand, hey, my attention is on way too many things. 1571 01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:29,000 And so, and I don't know, again, going back to the triggers, I think that's when even 1572 01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:35,720 little things start getting to me, sounds, noises, the dog, my wife, they'll say things 1573 01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:38,840 and it'll just be like, you're just at your wits end. 1574 01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:42,520 And it's hard because you're like, I don't know why really, there's no reason for it, 1575 01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,560 but it's just because you've opened way too many tabs. 1576 01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:49,840 And even if you're like myself, it might not even be things that you're actively doing, 1577 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,880 but it might be future planning, right? 1578 01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,000 I need to think about the podcast for this week. 1579 01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,120 I need to think about this trip that I'm going to take. 1580 01:29:56,120 --> 01:30:00,560 I need to think about this business deal that we're doing, and it'll be one of these things, 1581 01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:05,320 30 steps down the road that you're figuring out and one of the layers of your mind. 1582 01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:09,720 But all these things have built into, now you got 30 million things going on, including 1583 01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,880 stuff you're trying to figure out up here. 1584 01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:17,040 And so it can be hard, but you have to literally stop and start closing some of those tabs 1585 01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:18,640 and be like, we're not focusing on that. 1586 01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,560 We are focusing on this. 1587 01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:25,120 And you have to start parsing things and get it down to just one or two things. 1588 01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:28,480 That's the long answer to that. 1589 01:30:28,480 --> 01:30:33,760 Mine literally, and this is going to sound really bad, but Red Bull does help me focus. 1590 01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,760 So it really does. 1591 01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:37,920 For some people, I might excite them. 1592 01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:42,480 It helps me because I'm that way too, because I'll start my day. 1593 01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:47,600 Okay, today, these are the big three things I need to get done today, right? 1594 01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,040 So then I start working on those things. 1595 01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,800 And then when I'm thinking, oh, I need to do my expense report. 1596 01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:53,800 Oh, I forgot. 1597 01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,160 And if I don't do it right, then I'm going to forget. 1598 01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,000 So I'm like, okay, let me jump over here. 1599 01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,520 Let me do my expense report real quick. 1600 01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,760 And then I'll be like, oh, yeah, now I need to jump back to this big thing that I was 1601 01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:03,880 doing. 1602 01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:11,320 And so one thing that, and I don't know if this is it for you, but like, I'll be driving 1603 01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:16,040 and I'll get an important text or email and in my mind, I have to respond immediately. 1604 01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:19,840 And so like, I'm responding, I don't text like while I'm driving, but like I read lights 1605 01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,200 and I'm like, okay, I need to respond to the red light and never fails. 1606 01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,040 Anytime I need to respond, I don't hit a red light. 1607 01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:29,920 And so I'm driving and so I'm getting like frustrated because I'm like, I need to get 1608 01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:30,920 this text done. 1609 01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:31,920 I need to get this. 1610 01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,160 I'm like, dude, like, and so then I'm like stressing out. 1611 01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:41,200 And then like, once I, once I get and things like that, or like my wife will like, you 1612 01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:44,680 know, try to grab my hand, but like, please don't touch me because I'm overstimulated. 1613 01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:48,400 Like I just need to like, chill out and same thing with you. 1614 01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:52,920 Like I can't rest until like I'm all done and knock those things off. 1615 01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:57,120 And then I'll feel bad because I'm like, really, I needed to get that done. 1616 01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:01,640 Like it's okay if I don't get that done, that thing is not done until three weeks from now. 1617 01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:05,480 But in my mind, if I'm not getting it done today, I'm like, man, I was lazy. 1618 01:32:05,480 --> 01:32:08,040 I didn't get this done like this and that. 1619 01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:09,040 I don't know. 1620 01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:14,600 You guys might self diagnose me, but diagnosis, but it's really like jumping from one thing 1621 01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:20,480 to the other of like, and even you guys, we're going to probably tell on this podcast, like 1622 01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:24,000 I'll start a thought and then another thought jumps into my brain. 1623 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:29,120 So then like I'm on that thought and then I don't ever finish my original thought. 1624 01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:32,560 So it's kind of like, I don't know, it's weird. 1625 01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:37,840 No, I, I, on that front, I understand you too, because a lot of times what happens is 1626 01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:39,680 I'll have a thought and I'll have another thought. 1627 01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:44,800 The problem that I have, and maybe you have this too, is my thoughts are on way into the 1628 01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:45,800 spectrum. 1629 01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:46,800 It's like, this is way over here. 1630 01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:50,680 And then my next thought is incredibly random because it's way over here. 1631 01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:54,480 And so it tends to be a little interesting. 1632 01:32:54,480 --> 01:33:02,240 But I've also noticed that on top of the work and the tasks and things like that, I've noticed 1633 01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:07,720 a lot of the times if there are too many people or too many people talking over each other 1634 01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:13,560 or things like that, even kids environment, I remember even whenever I was in school, 1635 01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:20,800 if it got to the point where you're in class and I always felt like a, like a loser dweeb 1636 01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:24,520 for this, but it's just like, I wouldn't tell people to be quiet internally. 1637 01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:29,840 I am, but when the teacher wouldn't have controlled the class and you know how like kids, they 1638 01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:34,080 go from like level to level to and it just like keeps going up. 1639 01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,000 And before you know it, they're just wild. 1640 01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,280 And now everybody's loud. 1641 01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:40,440 Everybody's shouting over each other because you can't really hear what's going on. 1642 01:33:40,440 --> 01:33:43,040 And then finally the teacher is like, all right, y'all are being too loud. 1643 01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:47,760 I used to hate that kind of stuff because it would just over stimulate me to no end 1644 01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,840 of like everybody shut up like stop. 1645 01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,480 Like every, like there's just too much going on. 1646 01:33:53,480 --> 01:33:55,480 There's too many conversations going on. 1647 01:33:55,480 --> 01:34:01,040 And even I've noticed that as an adult, if like sometimes I do have to attend social 1648 01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:05,000 events where there are hundreds of people and things like that, which is fine. 1649 01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,920 I can like Chris, I can turn it on. 1650 01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:12,480 I can be incredibly social, but I can't be in those environments for too long because 1651 01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:14,960 it just drains me just so fast. 1652 01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:15,960 Yeah. 1653 01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:20,240 And my mind will be jumping from to three different conversations. 1654 01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:23,440 So I'll be having a conversation with you and this person will be talking to me, but 1655 01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:27,200 then I'm hearing this conversation over here and then I'm hearing this conversation. 1656 01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:32,120 And so my mind is like going through all three conversations, same thing talking. 1657 01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:37,560 And then like, I don't know, maybe, maybe I'm not trying to make jokes, but maybe I 1658 01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:43,000 do have the Tism, but because like I'll get mad if someone shuts the door too loud. 1659 01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,080 Like that makes me mad. 1660 01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:50,160 Or like, like there's just something in there that and then like, or if like a motorcycle 1661 01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:55,080 or a car revs its engine too loud, like it makes me upset or like angry. 1662 01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:59,680 And I'm like, on the same line, I don't know if you're like this too, but what frustrates 1663 01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:07,120 me is when somebody is in another room and you'll, and I'm guilty of this too, but you'll 1664 01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:11,040 say, Hey, you know, in the case of my wife, like, Hey, babe, let's see, you know, I need 1665 01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:12,040 this, whatever. 1666 01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:15,280 And then hear them like yell from the other room, huh? 1667 01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:16,280 Or something like that. 1668 01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:18,560 I don't know why that just drives me up the wall. 1669 01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:22,160 It's just like, fine, I'm going to walk in here and have this conversation with you. 1670 01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:27,320 Because I hate yelling between rooms like this crap, you know, like it just drives me up 1671 01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:28,320 the wall. 1672 01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:29,320 I don't know why. 1673 01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:35,320 And it's just, there's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of things, ladies and gentlemen, 1674 01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:39,000 don't make me go into why I think I have the Tism because I think I would check some of 1675 01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:40,000 the blocks. 1676 01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:44,960 Well, on that note, thank you guys for going along with us on the ride. 1677 01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:46,680 Put it in the comments. 1678 01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:47,680 What do you guys think? 1679 01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:48,680 It's self diagnosis. 1680 01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:54,440 Um, yeah, let's see what, uh, what the commenters say. 1681 01:35:54,440 --> 01:35:57,920 It's like, you know what, I've got a degree in psychology and I can't tell what the heck 1682 01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:58,920 you guys are. 1683 01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:00,440 You're a wild, I don't know. 1684 01:36:00,440 --> 01:36:06,280 But thanks for listening, uh, check us out on the Donut Box podcast on YouTube, uh, 1685 01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:11,280 trash can travel on the Instagrams, Facebooks, uh, got anything you want to add? 1686 01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:13,120 Man, I think you covered it. 1687 01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:16,480 We go like follow us, go see what's going on. 1688 01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:20,120 We've got a ton of fun stuff coming out on all of our in's there. 1689 01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:24,480 So come, uh, come see us over there and like and follow us. 1690 01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:28,400 And, um, we're super excited for next week. 1691 01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:33,640 I can't believe it's, uh, the new year, man, 20, 25 new year, new me. 1692 01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:34,640 Shut up, Cheryl. 1693 01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:39,480 Um, we know you're still on meth. 1694 01:36:39,480 --> 01:36:40,760 We should put that video at the end. 1695 01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:44,360 I'll find that video. 1696 01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:48,960 You know, I, I did, I'll say this in front of the entire crowd before we, we get off. 1697 01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:53,680 I thought about another segment or like a short segment of like, why can Chris's video 1698 01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:58,680 of the week and just like including like a video clip of one of those videos or something 1699 01:36:58,680 --> 01:36:59,680 like that. 1700 01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,840 Um, and that would definitely be one of them. 1701 01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:03,960 But anyways, I'm ready to sign it off. 1702 01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:04,960 How about you? 1703 01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:06,840 Yeah, it's time for the Starship to take us out. 1704 01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:32,840 So I'm Chris and I'm Michael and this is Ben at the Xbox part. 1705 01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:55,560 We have two nah, nah, nah look it fits. 1706 01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:58,000 MF over the bra. 1707 01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,000 Yeah. 1708 01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:00,000 Yeah. 1709 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,000 Yeah. 1710 01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,000 Just fall apart. 1711 01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:09,000 Baby, we can make it if we're hard to hide. 1712 01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:13,000 And we can build this dream together. 1713 01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:16,000 Stand strong forever. 1714 01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:20,000 Nothing's gonna stop us now. 1715 01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:23,000 If this world runs out of numbers, 1716 01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:26,000 we'll still have each other. 1717 01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:30,000 Nothing's gonna stop us now.