This week on the Dona Box podcast, we celebrate the podcast three year anniversary.
Hear about how we got it started and where we are at right now.
I'm telling you, we're going to go a deep dive, A to Z on everything on Dona Box podcast,
MC productions, how we got all the way to, man, we're talking 15 years of solid history.
We're about to go through all for you and you get to see our highlights and lowlights.
Isn't that right, Chris?
Yeah, hear about our crafty web show that we started.
Also, hear about how we pretended to arrest people in the church parking lot and film
that on camera.
Man, I don't think we have anything else to do, but we got to start talking about this.
ASAP.
So let's go ahead and roll the intro.
Hi, I'm Micah.
And I'm Chris.
And we've been friends for over 20 years.
Surprisingly, we haven't killed each other yet.
Years ago, we started our own variety show and it sucked.
Now that we're adults, we decided to give it another try.
And you know what it says like in the movie, life is like a box of donuts.
You never know which one's going to be the next one.
Wait a second.
It's chocolates.
Life is like a box of chocolates.
You never know what you're going to get.
Oh, right.
Okay.
Well, let's start the show.
This is the Dona Box podcast.
In the air, man, I know last week we say we were going to be, you know, on camera and
everything like that.
We had a few technical things we had to work out, but here we are live on camera, not live,
but on camera looking good, looking good.
What are you thinking, Chris?
You're looking, you're looking okay.
You're looking pretty fat over there.
I know that we're going to talk about this in a minute, but this is really giving me
the web web web show by that's exactly why.
No, that's exactly why I did it too.
That's exactly why I did it is because this is the kind of banter that we had.
Not really.
Really, really poor podcast.
I don't remember any poor questions.
I just remember you bansering with the camera like it was just, oh yeah, that could be true
too.
I just, I was just talking and that sounds a lot like me at the time.
But anyways, so we are back for another episode and this episode is a free flow episode.
So three years, bro.
Three years stinking years.
Yeah, we're officially on three years.
We had our Thanksgiving episode last episode, so go check that out.
But yeah, man, this episode, we are on off of our regular schedule programming and we're
going on a free flow episode.
And like we said in the pre-intro there, we are going to be talking about DonaBox
podcast, MC Productions, Trashcan.
Where did all come from, man?
Because it's got quite the history.
And you know, we got a lot to talk about with this whole thing.
Are we going to do one of those things where it's like we're going to start the linear
journey or you know how sometimes in the movie that they start at the end and then
they go back to the beginning and are we just going to go straight linear?
I think we're going to, I think straight linear because if I started from the, I don't know,
I still might forget stuff calling it linear.
Started from the bottom.
Now we're here.
So let's take you back on a journey 15 years ago.
This was the time where podcasting was not that big.
I think you remember that show I Carly.
Do you remember that show?
Yeah, I do.
Web shows kind of had a thing, but that's what it was.
But this was not in the days where YouTube is what it is now where we could do things
like we're doing right now.
And it was not those times.
You know, we were back in the dinosaur ages when dinosaurs were on the earth in the early
2000s.
Yeah.
No, so it was, it was kind of, it was different times for sure.
I had gotten a laptop primarily for school.
And so Chris and I, we were bored a lot.
And well, hold on.
Just before I go into this, Chris, you had some like video editing.
Did you have any sort of experience to that point?
No, the only thing I mean, everyone on their laptop have Windows movie maker.
And so like people would put together slideshows like anybody could, it's kind of like how
Cap Cut is now like, or can everybody has that and everybody knows how to do it.
So back then like video editing, I guess if you would call it was kind of common, but
I would do like maybe some school projects or whatever.
But I remember we were just kind of like, Mike and I have always been like creative.
So we're always thinking like, okay, what can we do to entertain ourselves that doesn't
cost money?
And so I think we started just spitballing like, ooh, like, let's TV show ideas.
Yeah.
It was like TV show ideas.
It was like movie ideas.
It's like just kind of spitballing these things.
Now, granted, these were also the glorious times where, you know, Chris, he would come
over to my house and whatnot, had the wonderful basic cable.
And what would end up happening is stay up till really stupid early, late, whatever you
want to call it into the morning.
And man, you saw some really dinky television shows at that time.
And you know, that'll kind of play into trash can TV in a little bit.
But no, we had some, you know, really dinky television shows that we watched kind of really
late night.
And so I don't know.
It was one of those things to where we started spitballing these ideas and we were like, you
know what, a lot of times are like, I think we can come up with better than what is out
there right now.
And so we came up the first thing we came up with.
First, I'm gonna have you go through some of the things that you were going through
life, because that's going to explain why we wrote the script the way we did.
So if you've listened to our podcast for any number of time, you've heard about my uncle
Steve and that came somehow in the in the unreleased version, because we lost the files
of the first project that we did.
We only got the first part because we filmed up in like four chunks.
But I got my first, I guess, official girlfriend at the time.
And we actually talked about this the other day off camera.
But Micah had introduced her to me.
And so we were, we were dating at the time that we started filming this, like we had
not broken up yet.
But I think I don't know what it was.
I don't know why we just decided we were like, okay, we're going to film this show or movie.
And it's going to be called the story of Chris and it's like, some of it's real, some of
it's not like we're going to loosely basis on your life.
I don't know.
And then there was, and then there was other parts of it that just had nothing to do with
anything.
Like there was, there was parts in there that just had no bearing on, you know, I really
wish we had part two and three, because I do not remember what part two and three was.
But the part one that we had, I'll put it to this way, it was horrible quality.
Because so going back to the laptop deal, I had a laptop and one of these really early
low grade USB webcams, right?
This was before laptops had the integrated webcam.
Like this thing did not have a webcam built into it.
So it's like, okay, you got to have this external one.
And then the webcam was a big deal.
Right.
So you guys know.
Yeah.
Like this was, you know, I don't even think Skype was really a big deal at the time.
It was like, it was, it was getting to the point where even video calling was kind of
on the new and up and coming at the time.
And so to have a, to have a webcam was a big deal.
So it's like, okay, we can have, we thought, okay, we have a camera, right?
Because we got this webcam.
And so I remember bringing this laptop and we thought it was great because laptops are
portable and you know, this webcam was corded so you could move it around, you can angle
it whatever.
So we had a camera.
So we, we, I don't think we wrote a script.
I think we were just like, we have a loose baseline.
Kind of like how this podcast is and kind of how anything we do, it's like, okay, this
is the outline, but this is kind of what I'm going to say.
And you can kind of, we're just, this is kind of the general premise of where you go with
this.
This is kind of where we're going to go with this.
But what I think was, and I don't know why this was the first line, do you want to tell
them first line Chris?
Cause I'm still like, oh my gosh.
The first line was it was just recording me from like, it pans up from like my feet all
the way up to my head and it's like really dark.
And I just say, you can't see my face.
And I'm like, why didn't we leave, why did we leave that in there?
Anyways, dumb, dumb, you had to be there.
Okay.
So then the first, the first opening like credits or whatever, we go in and I walk up
and it's like, hi, this is Chris.
And it's Michael like on the face.
Yeah.
And I'm narrating it.
But see the thing is like, I'm there in person just behind the camera narrating, not like,
no, it showed your face.
Right.
Just like narrating.
And it's like, this is Chris.
Go for it, man.
This is like, this is the story of Chris.
And it's like, yeah, we all know he was related to uncle Steve.
And it's like, then you say my last name and it's like, although his last name wasn't
this, his last name is this.
And then it cuts to me just walking up and just being like, no, I meant, no, I meant
more the very first line that I said was, and this is Chris and there's nothing special
about him.
No, no, you went, you, we did, you did that.
And you just said, hi, this is, this is, this is Chris.
Yes, we all know he's related to what.
And then I go walk up and it's like, this is Chris.
He's nothing special.
As soon as it cut to me, it's like, Hey, this is Chris.
He's nothing special.
He goes to David's Simphine Arts and he wants to be president when he grows up.
This isn't an e-harmony profile.
This is this actual person.
And enjoy.
That was the last word.
Enjoy.
But it was just this whole, it was this whole thing about him, but it was like some love
story, but like the gal broke up with him.
And then to talk about the random portion of it, then we had me and this was foreshadowing,
by the way, I just want to say we had me as a delivery guy.
And I remember putting electrical tape like on here to make a mustache and, and, and,
Hey, Sid, you want to approach your Mexican food and like have this bag, hands it to him.
And I said, you know, that'll be 2750 and he's, excuse me.
No, it'll be 350.
And then it was like, Oh, okay.
See foreshadowing.
It is 2750 now.
And delivery from a Mexican food restaurant.
Oh yeah.
That wasn't a thing back then.
Oh no, it definitely wasn't a thing.
So we kind of saw that one coming.
But again, going back to it, where would that have fit into the story?
Like that has nothing to really do with.
Right after you're like, okay, this is this.
And then I call Pizza Hut and I'm like, Hey, Pizza Hut, I want to, it's like, wait, you're
hanging.
I guess the thing is like Chris is just like a, like you're supposed to feel, no, you're
supposed to feel sorry for him because he gets hung up on by Pizza Hut.
Then he goes into the fridge and he can't find any food.
So now he has to call Mexican food.
I guess that's where we were going with it.
I guess it didn't make any sense.
It didn't make any sense.
No, it didn't make any sense.
That's why that's why I'm really curious of what part two and three where, because how
did we get more content to where we were going with that?
I don't know.
So then it goes to where I'm on, on the phone with my quote unquote girlfriend and Micah's
playing the part.
And you could obviously, it's like, and I'm even like, Oh yeah, hold on.
Let me put you on speakerphone for a second so you can pick up the audio.
And it's like, Mike, Mike is like, Oh yeah, this is pretending to be my girlfriend, but
he's like, Oh yeah, this isn't working out.
And I'm upset because I guess I've been dumped too many times or whatever.
Bro.
And see, so the effects were great.
I remember how we did that too.
I remember we had these home phones, right?
Back when home phones were a thing and I was able to like ring the phone like to another
phone in the house.
So I was like, all right, go outside, go outside.
My head is all.
It was just like this stupid effects that we were trying to make happen.
It was crazy.
So it's sorry.
Go ahead.
Just thinking.
Yeah.
So then that happens.
And then part one ends with me crying because I got broken up with obviously.
And then I don't, I remember something about part two and three was something I remember
in part two was that we ran into this homeless guy that was living in a bush by this, this
place that was used to be called Julian Smith casino and it was based upon.
Oh, that we knew a real life.
And I don't know how I ended up running into him in the story, but the story made no sense.
Yeah.
And it's probably why we can't remember it because it didn't make any sense at the time.
I ran into a homeless dude in a bush at Julian Smith casino, which by the way, that is a
real place and I guess the Georgia know it is not a casino.
I don't know why they call it a casino.
But anyway, so we made those videos and to Chris's point, we lost part two and three.
It was on that same laptop and lost it to a virus and yeah, and end up happening that
way.
So very though it could be like that.
No, I was going to make a joke, but I refrained myself.
Yeah.
It's a family program.
So no.
So the next video we end up doing, what was the what was the very next one?
So the next one was I don't we had not filmed.
We had not filmed the house party video yet, but we decided I don't know why, but I remember
you were like, OK, we're going to make we're going to make a variety show.
And so we're going to do that because we had just gotten done from cleaning and cooking
for the homeless ministry.
And so you had a Coca Cola that you took home from there and you had a box of donuts and
you were like, man, this would be a great idea because like is like a box of donuts.
There's so many varieties or whatever.
And so our variety show, it's like, I could have weather.
I could do this.
I could do that.
I'm like, yeah, like let's go.
Yeah, let's do it.
And so this show I cringe going back and watching it because I had quite the southern accent
going on with it.
You should put the link in the description.
I should put the link in the description because it's still online.
And yeah, you can go see it for yourself.
But it was really, really bad.
The quality was like worse than Chris.
Yeah.
And I don't know how because we were inside.
We were inside and we, you know, and it still was just absolutely terrible.
And so we even we even had commercials and commercials, commercials, the one commercial
and then two commercials.
Oh yeah, we did have two commercials.
I need to go back and watch that with the rest of this crowd that's about to watch this
too.
But it was really, really interesting.
I just remembered the first bit was just me eating donuts and drinking Coke and being
like, is this thing on?
Is this thing on?
We thought that was hilarious.
We thought that bit was so funny.
It'd be so hilarious if we if he thought that the camera was rolling and he didn't know
and did it.
And I'm like, where did we get that idea?
I don't know.
But how many videos did we start off with with that one?
It's like, turn the camera is this thing running and turn the camera?
I don't know why, but that was the thing.
And so we started off with that.
And I just remember going through it.
And so if you've listened to our podcast now, and this is where I'm going to draw some
similarities.
If you've listened to our podcast now, we have a segment called what fries my donuts.
And it's, you know, basically talking about what really gets you going, what makes you
mad, what grinds your gears, all that good jazz.
And I remember the first version of that was literally what grinds my gears.
And it was spookbop a family guy because of that whole thing.
And I remember it was about bandwagon fans.
It was about bandwagon fans.
And it was about, you know, people in NFL teams.
It's like, I like Tampa.
Yeah.
Dick, George Jackson.
Oh boy.
It's like, now my when my team goes to the top, there are some people that want to root
for teams that I don't know, maybe one Super Bowl or something.
But when my team goes to the top and everyone's like, yeah, I was a Tampa fan the whole time.
And I'm like, yeah, right.
Get out of my face.
Yeah.
That was, that was the.
The accent is sick, ladies and gentlemen.
Oh, it was, it was so thick, man.
And I didn't think I had it.
And if I ever deny it, just show me that video again.
But no, so went through that.
I think probably the other worst part was I did do a weather segment from the local
weather in Augusta, Georgia, and it was stormy that day, which was good.
It literally, I just had a TV behind me.
It was literally the weather channel.
And he's just looking at it.
It's like, let's look.
Oh, let's look at the weather channel.
Let's look at the weather channel.
You're so.
Oh yeah.
And, you know, it's like, but hey, I gave you that one weather report on that one day,
just in case you didn't know, like, hey, I'm your worldwide weather authority right
there.
So, I had that.
And I remember you made an appearance.
So this was actually kind of wild.
So the story of Chris happened, sure.
But really Chris at the time was not a get out in front of camera kind of person like
at all.
He's like more of the, I'll be like, he's a lot different now, obviously, because look
at him, but I used to be, it's like, he's the technical producer kind of guy, right?
Like he's the guy that's in the background.
He'll do all your technical stuff.
He really did not like being on camera or doing any of that.
But I do remember you had a little, a little spot there, a little spot in the show.
What were you, what were you prepping, Chris?
Okay.
Basically, this was just a way to try to pick up girls.
But so we said, okay, okay, we're, we're doing this contest and it's like, if you like, and
if you put in the comments, all that stuff, like really, we were kind of before our time
because people do that now.
It's like, if you like or put our comment on our page, on our Facebook page, we'll put
you in a random drawing at one lucky contest and we'll get to tour the studio.
To our studio.
And the studio was my bedroom at my parents' house.
And so it was like, that was, that was the studio.
That was what they were going to come to her if somebody won.
And really the line was, you said, you said, if you want to tour and see all the celebrities
like myself,
Like, I don't, just, just, just a side story on that too.
I think where a lot of that came from is I had taken a tour of the CNN center in Atlanta.
Like I don't know.
And if you've ever taken a tour of the CNN center in Atlanta, like it's a pretty gnarly
tour.
Like it's pretty cool.
Like you can go through the whole thing with the newsrooms and stuff like that.
Here I am in my parents' bedroom.
Like, yeah, you know, the celebrities like me, you know, come to where, yeah.
Yes.
So then we, this is also something that translated over into the Donut Box podcast.
We had an improv segment.
Oh yeah, we did.
And so it was just a comedy sketch, but like it was really bad because only me and Micah
knew the inside.
It was just a lot of our inside jokes.
And we were just kind of like, oh, and we actually were, this actually filmed after
I had broken up with my girlfriend.
So funny enough, when we filmed the story of a Chris, like maybe a week or two later,
my girlfriend that I was dating at the time broke up with me and my youth pastor was like,
yeah, I watched your video.
He was like, that video was kind of prophetic, huh?
And I was like, well, I'm gonna put you in the face of Pastor Tim.
But yeah, so, so we made fun of my ex-girlfriend and not like we didn't call our name or anything,
but it was an inside joke between me and Micah.
And so we made fun of her in that little sketch.
So the sketch was really bad.
Yeah.
But nobody, nobody would have understood it.
Like, I'll put it to you this way.
When I rewatched it, it took Chris explaining it to me for me to understand it again because
it was just kind of, it was pretty obscure.
But no, so we had that.
And then you were like, at the end, you were like, I just want to thank my mother for having
me, my father for having me.
Boy, did that one age well.
Yeah, I did.
Boy, did it.
And you know, to me, what I love about all of our videos is the credits period.
If you've never seen the credits, we always be thinking like God, the camera, everybody.
So anyway, so we had our little variety show.
And so we only had the one, never, never did another one there.
But after that, I think really between story of Chris, between the variety show, our youth
pastor kind of caught wind and we kind of wanted to as well, like, hey, they might be
video creators.
Let's, let's see what they can do.
And then that's when our next creation started pumping out.
Nobody asked us to do this.
We took this upon ourselves.
There was an event coming up at the church and it was called the house party.
And so, ooh, I'm going to take you back to 2008.
So back in the day in Georgia, they would have these things called house parties, right?
And so it was just really like, I'm sure they still have them now, but like it was just
a cool, kick it type deal.
And so that's really what they were playing.
They were really trying to play into like the hip hop culture being in Augusta.
So they were really trying to play into that.
So they were having this house party, but it was at the church.
And just to preface to our youth group, once a month, typically for a certain time period,
for about once a month, they would have these little parties of varying themes and they
had a few different house parties.
But really just to kind of give you a perspective around that time in Augusta and especially
Atlanta area, like it was the hip hop Mecca over in Atlanta.
And so there was a ton of, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the
of not just hip hop artists that were trying to make it in Augusta, but there was a lot
of Christian hip hop artists that were trying to make it into Augusta, things like that.
There was all sorts of that sort of thing.
And not just that, but of course, being so close to Atlanta, the environment really,
I mean, even Chris and I, we love some good Atlanta rap music for, for a reason.
And it's because it was a big influence.
I still do.
Oh, I do too.
Like I, I mean, he and I was still on the same stuff because it's, you know, it was
a heavy influence in the time.
And so having these, like I remember there was a few, like the one that we're talking
about in particular, they had a dance party.
There was another one where they had a rap battle.
I remember that one.
Did they, they had a third one.
Did they not?
Yeah.
The first one I went to, you didn't go to this one because you were still, you weren't
in middle school yet, but that was my first one.
And like, I will say, like as much crap as we talk about, like the youth group and stuff,
they did put on parties and events really well.
Like it was really well.
I remember they got like this toilet from Home Depot and put like punch and stuff in
there and it was like, it was really cool.
That was, that was the constant like party thing.
I don't know why they had, but they like built a fountain into it somehow.
So like shot blue, like, like Kool-Aid into the toilet bowl and you know, it was a blue
Kool-Aid.
Right.
It's like, it's like, was Pastor Tim really?
I'm joking.
But it's like, but you would have, that's where you got the punch from, like you would
ladle it in from there.
And so coming to think of it, man, just side spitball and they must have had some pretty
decent funding for these parties.
Yeah.
They probably had a pretty good budget because like, I'm pretty sure all the youth budget
like went to these parties.
Went to these parties.
And so, you know, there was always something also interesting too.
I remember a couple of times they invited like guest DJs.
Like I remember one of them used to be, if you know, if you've ever heard of three, six
mafia, like he was before he went Christian, like he was like from three, six mafia.
So like they came, he came in there and whatnot.
And so these parties were a pretty big deal.
And like Chris said, yeah, we kind of took it upon ourselves of like, okay, we know all
the details, but I think the entire thing, if I remember correctly, my memory may be
failing me now.
But I think it was something along the lines of Pastor Tim said, hey, we need this to happen.
And we don't have anybody to do it.
He didn't necessarily ask, but we were like, you know what, if we show him a good product,
like they'll put it out there.
And so we took it upon ourselves.
And should I put that link in the description?
You should put that link to that.
So, so basically how it goes again, I don't know why this was our form, but our form was
okay, this is the general things that we need to say, like we're kind of fleshing this out,
whatever, like this is kind of the marks we need to hit.
And so what we would do, how we broke it up was like, okay, we're going to do this little
segment and then we're going to do a joke.
And then it's like a, like it's almost like a cutting like blooper type deal, but it's
not a blue, it's like a, that screen that goes beep, like it's cut up.
Yeah, right.
So I remember the beginning was, it was like, we didn't know that the camera was on again.
We were talking about the game and it's like, did you know the camera was on?
It's like, no, I didn't know the camera was on.
It's like, we got to start right now.
That's all right now.
And so then we're like, Hey, this is what's happening.
We have this house party coming up.
We're going to be in this dance competition.
And it's like, oh yeah, like do that.
And it's like, oh yeah, we filmed a dance comp and we had this mannequin that was sitting
in between us.
I don't know why.
Ron Swallow.
It was Ron Swallow.
And yes, that was the mannequin's name was Ron Swallow.
I don't know why.
No, I remember why it was because we always, we decided to film in this closet or it was
a filming.
I think it was already a filming closet.
It was already a filming room.
Yeah, it already had a green screen like it was already, but like in the video, if you
watch the video, you'll see all the paper.
Like we didn't bother to clean up the papers.
No, we didn't.
We're going to film it as is.
I don't know why we didn't clean up the papers.
There's even, there's even a giant like furry boom mic and the, in the bottom down.
Like, I mean, yeah, there was, it was kind of, but anyways, so we go through this video
and we have a nice little dance compilation video of our own.
And you know, we thought it was so cool.
We thought it was so cool.
And I look back and it's Crane City.
You'll get to see that one in the link below as well.
Just look at the house.
Well, what we thought was so cool is like it was in the thing.
So you would have like the one, two, three, four, like the four quadrants and it was different
videos of all us dancing.
So we will, which at the time, which at the time was really big.
And something else that was really good.
I think if I'm not mistaken, didn't you get roped into, because you started learning
Final Cut Pro, our church got Final Cut Pro.
And at the time that was a really, really big deal.
They all had, it was big Apple church and pretty much Final Cut Pro.
It cost a thousand dollars, like a computer to get it.
So I mean, it was incredibly expensive.
So naturally we wouldn't have been able to use it if it wasn't for being over there.
And I think the entire reason you kind of got some training under it and then I end
up getting some training under it is because I think you got roped into something at one
point of like a children's deal or something.
And then the kids ministry deal and there's like, Hey, like, and they would teach us like,
Hey, here's how you film this.
And like they have pretty high quality equipment.
Like for even now, it's like pretty good.
And so like, it was like, Oh yeah, like they have like a, like a 16 by nine camera, like
a professional camera, like the film videos on and everything.
And so it was like, Oh wow, like it was pretty high quality.
And so we were just like, Okay, like cool deal.
I learned how to do it and then I was like, Okay, I'm going to learn because I think I
had filmed a VBS or something.
Something and then, you know, a lot of times, especially, you know, you go to church and
things like that.
In fact, I think that's what it was.
You filmed a VBS and then I think you had to cut up a compilation video because a lot
of times what they wanted, they want to show is they want to show naturally they want to
show how good of a time it is and show the rest of the church of how good a time they
had to be VBS or whatever.
So he had some experience and I remember, you know, that editing took a long time.
I remember that editing took a long time.
This was not in the cap cut days.
This was, you know, wasn't as easy as movie maker at all.
But those are some of the features that we thought were great like that for quadrant.
We thought was really cool.
I remember one of the other effects that we thought was really cool is, and I don't think
we did it in this video, but we got to like the ground to shake like the whole like thing,
like the whole effect.
It was it was all crazy.
But we we went through this whole house party video and it didn't end up getting getting
shown.
Yeah, we showed it to them and I don't think they liked it.
Maybe I don't know audience.
You can put in the comments whether or not you liked it or not.
But I liked it.
I still like it.
It's one of those videos that I still even though the dancing is very cringy and the
jokes are really dated for the time.
But I still like it.
I stand by it.
Oh, when he's saying dated jokes, I remember one of them was we we made this for real.
He said, Chris tells me, oh, yeah, you're looking real fat, you know, when people you
say P H A T for like you're looking cool or whatever.
And I was like, what, he called me overweight and that was like one of the jokes.
Yeah, it definitely dated.
But you tell us in the comments what you think about what think about the house party video.
And so we had some other time go through.
We made some other videos as well.
We tried to make another one for the youth group.
Try to make Christmas party video.
Oh, I had I don't know.
I still stand by the house party video.
I don't I think the Christmas.
It wasn't very good.
It was that one was not it not as good.
Well, so the difference being so for this Christmas party video house party, you know,
it's definitely we dressed up at the time with kind of that baggy shirts, Jorts and,
you know, sideways ball cap kind of the hip hop theme of 2008 to yeah, yeah, just like
that.
And so we kind of dressed like that.
Well, for the Christmas party video, the Christmas party was it was a banquet.
So it was like they wanted all the youth to dress up and not quite like tuxedos, but like
suits and yeah, dress definitely a tie.
It was definitely right.
Right.
And so I had dressed up.
And I remember they were like those old school pleated khakis.
Yeah, that was the premise of the video was that Michael was there to dress up and I was
like, hold on, what's going on?
He missed the message.
Yeah.
Oh, Chris missed the memo here.
And so it's just like, see, this is why I told you we should have gotten that texting
plan with the, you know, I said some again, some dated jokes about like AT&T.
We should have switched AT&T for that unlimited texting plan because, you know, texting was
costs every every time back then.
But anyways, so we go through that video and they really didn't like that video.
I could but they promised us they said, oh, yeah, we're going to show it.
We're going to show it at youth and house.
I'm getting our big premiere.
But it's what I think what made it really bad was at the end, like the credits.
Michael was like, okay, I'm going to sing some Christmas carols for you.
And he just basically did the bit from Family Guy where like the inside Dean Friser done
Dean Friser done.
And then at the end, you're like, Merry Christmas.
Christmas.
Yeah.
That was there.
There's probably a reason they didn't show it.
Like they could have cut that part off or we could have cut that part off.
I also made a not good times.
What is it?
The Jefferson's.
I also made it so like that was even for them.
That was a very outdated reference.
Like really bad.
Like now obsolete.
But even back then that was a really bad reference.
Yeah.
Think about that.
That show is what 20, 25, 30 years old at the time.
Yeah.
We made that reference.
It was bad.
So, yeah.
So, yes, we made a Jefferson's reference in that video.
But you know, really and truly the video quality wise, pretty, I mean, again, had really, really
good equipment and whatnot.
The ideas were kind of there.
And then so we, we progressed a little further and you start doing some more stuff for school.
Like I know you did some more.
Yeah.
I did some stuff for school.
And so actually I somehow, I don't know how it got about, but there used to be a teen
section in the paper, the Gusso Chronicle.
And so every year they would look for new teenage and basically it was like teens who
wanted to go to journalism or whatever.
And so my, so my deal was like, I can't write, but I can do be a video content creator.
And they were like, oh yeah, you can be part of this team.
And I was like, what am like my picture is in the paper and everything.
And so I remember I did a expose on powder puff, which if you don't know what powder
puff is, powder puff is where the girls play football and the guys cheerlead and we didn't
have football at my school, but somehow we had powder puff.
Yeah.
And it was like a big thing for them every year.
It was like, it was like a big thing.
It's like these guys are dressing up in skirts and tutus and but I was just kind of like,
so I don't know why I did an expose.
And I remember I like, I, I didn't have enough guys who, who wanted like be on camera that
were doing it.
So I filmed my buddy Jacob at the church and like got an interview with him and be like,
bro, just make this up.
Like, tell me what you think about powder, like make it positive.
So I did that.
And then I did some other projects for school.
We can talk about that maybe in a little bit, but no, I'm just leaving.
And I'm just leading into so where you started getting interested in school and whatnot.
So professionally, Chris started getting interested in becoming a police officer cop.
And so we started watching a lot of cops on TV, the TV.
I've seen every single episode of cops.
No lie.
New old, he's I can, I can vouch for that.
And so we watched like I said, a ton of cops to the point where I mean, what's what's next?
We, we had a camera and we said we had time pretty much we had to be up at the church
and this church that we were at had quite a huge parking lot.
Like I mean, the thing is pretty, pretty large.
And a lot of the time there would be a quarter of it to half of it that was not being used
like at all at any given time.
Especially if there was hardly anybody there.
Oh yeah, that thing is free game.
And so there was kind of this upper area, you know, that you can kind of go over to.
And so we decided and we had plenty of actors that would help us out because there's plenty
of other church kids and everything else that are what's up.
And I was going to say my car at the time was a 1996 Buick Century.
So we didn't have a Crown Vic, but it still had like a column shift.
And so like, if you're filming it like on the, it kind of looked like a Crown Vic and
we were, this is when we were in our Western wear phase.
So we're like, oh yeah, we could be like Texas version, like whatever.
And it's like, we've seen cops so many times.
Let's just parody this.
And we were bored again.
All of our great ideas come out of boredom.
So yeah, it comes out of boredom.
And it was just like a, like this progression.
I remember it all started with, yeah, like let's see how it looks when we film, when
we pull up to a place and like whip in there and then open the door real fast, like we're
cops and like, see how fast we can get out.
And it turned from that to, okay, you're going to be the perp.
And you're, and so like, we started making these cops videos.
And I think to the, to the ones that we have on the internet still active right now, there's
four of them, I think.
Yeah.
And there's four of them.
Is there a night version on there?
Is the one with the night version is on there?
And the night version is on there too.
Yeah.
So our friends were bored too.
I don't know how they got roped in.
We roped them in.
We were like, Hey, we're going to do this cops video, whatever.
Do you want to be the perp?
Like do you want to be this?
It's like me and Mike, I can't, we're the good guys, right?
We're going to be the cops every time.
Yeah, we got to be the cop.
But we're like, do you, do you want to be the perp?
And they were like, Oh yeah.
Like, because at the time they were having like church meetings and like, of course, a
couple of teenage boys was like anything I can do to get out of a church meeting.
So we're like, okay, this is what's going to happen.
So again, we film it like it's cops.
We're driving in the backseat.
Like I'm driving.
It's like, yeah, I've been on the force for three, five years.
Like it's hard with the wife and everything.
And it's like, we came up with different scenarios.
I was like, Oh yeah, this guy's trying to break into a car.
And we're not just that.
Yeah, not just that, but we, we freaking, we would make little code names.
We'd be like, Oh, yep, that's a 318.
He's trying to 318 over there.
We still know what the codes are.
We're like, Oh yeah, he's trying to steal a car.
It's 318.
Yep.
Right over there at 318.
What were you saying?
You said, Mark, my truck.
Yeah, you parked your truck and you were like, okay, like we're going to try to do where
someone is breaking into the car.
So like we pull up and like, of course, you know, in cops, like every time they film it,
like someone's running, like the purpose always running or something.
It never ends like, Hey, like this and that.
Like it's not, it's never, it's never, yeah, it's never normal.
It's never a normal encounter.
Yeah.
So we, so we film it and it's like, Oh yeah, look, he's taking off running.
And we did it a couple of times and I don't remember.
You want to go into a couple of the perps?
So okay.
So one of my favorites and he's like a rather large streamer, a YouTuber now, like I need,
we need to get permission.
Like I would love to feature one of these videos and tag him in it because I think that
would, I think his fan base would like that too.
But he, like we had two with him the first one.
And I think it's the night one that you're talking about it.
Like you couldn't really see anything with the camera one, you couldn't see anything.
But we, the first one we did was we posed that he was on drugs.
We were like, yeah, he's on drugs or whatever.
And it fit because he was such a goofy guy that when we took him down, he just laughed
uncontrollably.
Like he could not freaking stop laughing.
Like we were trying to, we were trying to like tell him his rights.
We're trying to ask him questions.
Like normally what you would do with cops and we were like expecting, he's like, like
the whole time and he would not freaking stop.
And so like we put him on the hood of the car, like legit, like searching him like,
what is this?
This is a pocket knife, whatever.
And so like we put him in the back of the car and he's spazzing out.
Like he's spazzing out like in real life.
Like he's just, he cannot stop laughing.
He's just, no, he's just going absolutely nuts.
And like, and then he's also making like obscene gestures at us in the car.
I didn't see it until after the video was recorded.
He's talking.
I'm trying not to crack up because I'm looking at him in the car and he's just like bouncing
around.
I'm not going to do the gesture, but it was pretty, it was pretty funny.
And so like he did all that.
And then I remember, so there was that one.
And then probably one of my other favorite ones, I've got a few favorite ones, but probably
one of my favorite ones was we had two people.
It was like, we had posed that it was a drug deal that like we were intercepting.
And so I took down one guy and the other person who he's, he's an interesting fellow.
But he took Chris.
We'll call the other because there you go.
The other Chris, he took his role seriously, boy.
He took that thing.
He was wearing like a trench coat and every yeah, he was a perfect drug dealer.
Yeah.
Like it was, it was great.
And so Chris is like, Chris is like, don't get me wrong, no offense, Chris, but he's
like a smaller guy.
This other Chris, I wouldn't say he was much bigger, but he had more weight to him for
sure.
And so like Chris trying to get him on the ground.
All I'm hearing cause like, you know, we're, we're, I'm trying to get this dude in handcuffs.
And all I hear is Chris over here, like, stop persisting, get on the ground.
And I look over here and all me is just like wrestling, wrestling, wrestling, wrestling,
like, like legit, like, legit wrestling in his dirt.
And so finally Chris gets the other Chris in under control.
I get him in.
I handcuffed him.
He handcuffed him and he's like, he's like, get up, stand up, stand up.
And he's like, he's like, I can't, I can't.
And then finally Chris like stand up.
I said, stand up.
And then you hear just under his breath.
He goes, no, seriously, I can't help him.
It was one of those, it was on those like he broke character for two seconds.
Like, no, seriously, I can't, I seriously can't get up.
Yeah.
But he was serious in character.
He was like, yeah, he was like, why are you harassing me?
He was like, I ain't doing nothing.
Bro, he was legit.
Yeah.
He was, he was legit.
And the other great part about that was cause of course part of it was we always had to
put him on the hood of a car.
So we take him to the hood of the car, right?
And so I'll never forget there was this parable at church that we had just had.
And I don't know why, but they gave us these white shoelaces in this like little baggy
and like for whatever reason, like the other Chris thought about this, right?
And like the camera's kind of off like I think with, with, with this Chris here and doing
whatever.
And he kind of like takes it out of his back pocket and starts like handing it to me.
And there's just a part that's like, oh, what's this?
You know, it looks perfect on the camera.
Just like a little white baggy of like, you know, stuff.
It was, yeah.
The coolest part about the cause videos was like we took the intro of actual cups and
then we put our own footage.
So like it's us taking off running or like tackling them on the ground or like putting
on it actually kind of looks pretty cool.
Like, yeah, it did.
It did.
Like in even, even for now, it's pretty good editing.
I mean, I think it's pretty good footage.
We thought we were so proud of that.
Oh man, I'm still proud of it.
I still, I'm saying I'm still, I'm still proud of it too.
But yeah, so do you go into one of your favorites?
I told my favorites.
No, those were those were it.
So there was another one with our friend Caleb and I remembered Caleb, like we arrested,
we arrested him because he was trying to steal into a car and I was like, we're like escorting
him back to the car.
Now you got to think we didn't have handcuffs like we did not.
When we say we handcuffed them, we said put your hands behind your back and you're virtually
handcuffed like that.
I don't have hand continue.
So, so we're taking them back and I'm just like doing what they do on cops, giving him
the ride act.
Like, how would you feel if I stood?
Stole your car, this and that.
And I just remember like there's a point where Caleb just spazs and he goes and takes his
hands to hell.
Well, you like restraint.
Well, you told him, you told him, you said, you said something along the lines of like,
well, you know, this person worked hard for theirs.
Are you going to steal theirs or whatever?
And he said something and you responded, what is that a threat?
He's like, yeah, that is a threat.
He pulls his arms.
It's the goofiest thing.
I'm putting the link in the description.
You get to see that.
It was the goofiest, freaking thing.
I can see spaz so much.
He spaz so much.
And it was like, he's supposed to be handcuffed.
Going back to your story about the first one, the famous YouTuber guy now, I remember like
not knowing what was going on and not knowing what was going on.
And I just remember being like, what is he?
Is he kicking the door?
Whatever.
So I open up the door and I'm like, what are you doing?
Like, why are you acting crazy?
And he's like, I was just smoking pot.
Wasn't I?
And I just remember being like, stop, like if you're going to like hit your head on the
window, like I'm going to tack on another charge or whatever.
And I remember he just like looks at Micah and they make eye contact and I close the
door and I remember as soon as I did, I guess he did the obscene gesture again.
Immediately, immediately Chris kind of like stepped in front of it and like me and him
kind of stepped in front of the door to come block the door.
And I remember you could see Micah like almost lose it on camera.
Like he has to walk away.
He turns his face and it's just like, it's so bad.
Those are great times.
The only other one you were talking about the Caleb calendar or Caleb one.
Yeah.
You were talking about that one.
What I think is crazy about that one, I had to, I thought I tackled that guy.
Like, that was something else too.
But I was, I'm still kind of surprised when I watched that one because I was in like
boots that had the big heel on and everything.
Man, I chased that dude down in the freaking parking lot.
I remember getting around the corner and like he knew I was going to catch him and he turned
around and he was like, don't tackle be hard.
Just about that time I tackled over the camera came around.
He had to wait for the camera to get there and then he tackled them.
Yep.
It was, it was.
Yeah.
And then we, we had to film.
I had to film my senior project and it was all about this cop here.
Yeah.
Cop here, which we talked about, I think two episodes ago.
Yeah.
And so he was the guy that was doing my profile for.
So we got a lot of good interviews like with him and I got some what's termed as beat roll.
So it's just like the footage that you're putting in between the interview.
So it doesn't look like you're just statically looking at one person talking the whole time.
So I'm like, Oh man, I'm like, we got to spice this up.
Like I'm watching it back and I'm like, man, it's missing something.
So I'm like, all right, I call my good buddy, Mike.
I'm like, we got out of car chase.
Like we have to add a car chase to this.
So again, what did we do?
We use my Buick and Micah's truck looked like a truck that, you know, you would see someone
like, it was a beater, man.
Like it was a beater and a half.
And I'll put it to this, why I got pulled over a few times leaving my neighborhood just
because of the way it looked.
But yeah, so we're like, okay, what we're going to do is it was just down the street.
We're like, okay, we got to time this outright.
We're going to pretend like it's a car chase and he's going to wreck his vehicle.
Right.
So we're like, okay, we got to time this outright because there was oncoming traffic and everything.
And so like it starts with we're turning and I add some blue lights and I laddered the
police siren for effect.
But I should have done at looking back on it because you got obviously tell us fake
been like, this was a dramatization.
So we got our friend Taylor involved to play the part of the police officer, but his voice
and the actual guys didn't match up.
So I'm pretty sure when they saw it, they were like, what the heck?
And so I was kind of going through a lot in my life at that time.
Well, you're just trying to get out of school right then.
I was trying to go to school, but I did have, I did have a phase of lying a lot during that
time.
I lied a lot.
Like I don't know if you know, but I lied a lot during that time.
I don't know what was going on with.
I was having some kind of existential crisis or whatever, but I lied a lot, a lot.
I'll tell you off, Mike, what I think it is, but it's all good.
It's not a family show.
It wasn't what it was.
It was more who it was.
But yeah, so I like going on.
So I was like, okay, I'm going to lie and say that we were in this card, card chase,
whatever.
And so then we time it and turn it and it's like, oh yeah, suspect is turning on this
road and we plan it to where Micah's truck would turn into his neighborhood.
And you, if you guys have heard, there's that big cul-de-sac in the middle, like concrete
grass.
So Micah is going to wreck his truck and the, and so we timed it.
So I just sped up the video so it looked like it actually wrecked.
And the best part about it was this cul-de-sac, I don't know why, but the, the curb was rather
big.
So it was quite a large curb.
And so we, we planned it out.
There was an elementary school that was at the top of the hill.
And so we were like, you know what, what we're going to do is we're going to go and like
Chris was saying, there was traffic everywhere.
So we had to, and it was a two lane road.
So you really have to be careful and conscious as to what's going on.
And so we take both vehicles out there.
And I think it took us a couple of runs because like, yeah, we got out of the traffic and
then because we couldn't just have them stop in the middle of the road, like waiting for
a car or whatever.
We had to make it look like he was actually running from the police.
Right.
And so what ended up happening was they would have me and my truck pull out first and then
Chris and Taylor would pull out that we had to make it almost look like I got down the
road a little bit and then they kind of pulled out, turn their lights on, you know how that
whole thing goes.
And then, and then I run and there was enough distance on the road to where it looked like,
you know, you're running for a decent amount of time and then turn left into the neighborhood
really abruptly.
And then I mean, it really did.
I'll say this is sped up footage and everything like that, besides some of the goofy effects
and whatnot, like just the sheer fact of hitting the curb.
And then like, if you've seen police footage or like body cam footage or like car footage
of like when people crash out and then they take off running, it did look like that.
I mean, we crashed up against the curb.
Like I took off running out the car and then, you know, there's a couple other people and
then he's like, cut the camera off, cut the camera off and that's where it cuts.
And then it's like, okay, we're now we're going to go in.
But like, I'm looking back at that video and I'm like, my whole, my title of it was called
Superman.
And it was like, okay, like, yeah, like this is who he is, this and that.
But it never went through.
Like, why is he Superman to me?
And that's what I said.
Like at the end of it, there was no cohesion to it at all.
Like looking back on it, I wish I would have done that project way different.
But yeah, Michael was a part.
I mean, I enjoyed filming the car chase because I was like, it's got to have a little MC
productions.
Yeah, a little twist, a little flair.
And then I also help with the B roll footage too.
I remember being in that back parking lot with like, okay, go back up.
I was like, we were doing all that stuff.
But so yeah, we ended up doing doing that.
And then I guess we can kind of fast forward.
Yeah, because we took a hiatus.
We didn't film anything or do any projects for, let's see, how long was that?
Eight years.
Because, you know, we ended up moving to Texas and I really don't know why we didn't.
I guess we were busy and had other things going on, but we had lives, jobs, girlfriend.
Right.
And so we ended up not doing anything.
But you know, fast forward.
The year is 2020, the pandemic year.
Oh, 2020.
Sorry, you're going back.
You're going back to the car.
Yeah.
You're going back to the burger.
Not the actual recording.
I'm talking about, I'm talking about just talking, just talking about it.
And so 2020 back into 2020, just like for everybody else, 2020 was a horrible year.
Like 2020 was a really bad year.
On top of COVID, there was a lot of like personal things going on for both Chris and myself.
And he and I, if you've listened to other episodes of the podcast, we've talked about
this before.
We actually had a little bit of hiatus and friendship for a little bit.
And so we reconvened and became friends again.
And so we kind of, we would hang out, but in kind of a non-conventional way, I guess,
a lot of people like bowling.
But we, there was this really crappy bowling alley in town.
And I don't know why, you know, we're called trash can for a reason.
There's things that are too nice.
We like our, we like our.
You could bowl for two hours with shoe rental for 12 bucks.
Now you have to put up with like getting stuck and, you know, the point's not counting right
and things like that.
But hey, that's part of the fun of it.
But we would go and we would go midday because luckily the job that Chris had and job that
I had, sometimes it would line up to where we would have like a Tuesday or a Wednesday
offer, right?
And of course, bowling on a weekday ain't nobody there.
And so we would go and we would bowl on weekdays.
And again, just kind of like we had talked about before in this episode when we were
kids, we just started spitball out of like, you know, the TV shows, the movies, a lot
of the stuff that's coming out right now, it just lacks creativity.
It lacks, you know, even, even the podcast, we were even started talking about podcasts.
We were like, man, a lot of these guys, they, they sit there and they just, they just talk
about what low carb butter and, you know, like what, what did they talking about?
And, you know, I know that kind of is a little interesting when we're talking about a free
flow episode where we've talked kind of, you know, free and open, but you know, this kind
of goes into the next bit.
We started talking about, you know, if we were going to do it, how would we do it better?
And then we started talking about the original show, the Krispy Kreme show that one time
that we did that.
And we, you know, it was like, dude, that's still a good idea.
It's still a good idea.
The concept is still there.
Yeah, the pieces there were good.
It's like, yeah, the idea was good.
The execution was horrible.
It was horrible.
But it's like, it's because we didn't, we didn't know what we were doing.
And again, we, we talked about it.
We were before our time.
We didn't have, not just, we'd not have the equipment.
We didn't have the know how and we also did not have resources like a, like a YouTube,
like a Spotify, like an Apple music, like a lot of these things where we could put ourselves
out there rather quickly.
That was not even a thought of thing at the time.
So it was like, man, we live in a day and age now, we could, we could legitimately do
this.
What, what is that going to take?
And so then it started, we started looking at what it was going to take in order to do
this.
And I don't know.
We probably took like two, three months, I would say.
I think it was longer than that because we didn't actually start recording until 2021.
No, but I do.
But I remember, I think the birth of the podcast came around or like the actual idea came at
the beginning of 2021, I think.
And so I remember, I distinctly remember going to main event.
I don't know why I distinctly remember going to main event, but I was playing pool.
Yeah.
We were playing pool and we were like, okay, like what segments do we want?
Like what, because we were like, what if each donut was a different segment?
Like, what is this segment going to be?
What is that segment going to be?
I don't, I don't remember.
I don't know why I remember this.
Not only do I remember main event, but I remember there was competitive like log cutting on
TV.
Oh yeah.
I don't remember why that was.
I remember that.
But no, exactly.
We started talking about what, what do we want this to be?
We wanted it to be a segmented out show.
We wanted it there to be specific things.
And it was, we had talked to each thing about, and it was kind of a culmination of, culmination
of everything we had talked about to that point.
So I can, our regular scheduled programming that we're going to be next week.
So if you're new and you know, you're hearing this and you like, you're like, what the heck,
they don't even have a schedule.
It's like, it's like, we do have a schedule.
Just check us out next week.
So, but we have a segment.
And as many of you know, it's jelly donut, which is our jail report.
And the biggest thing that we always talked about is Chris and I, man, we love looking
at, and this is local to Augusta, Georgia, where it started off as, is they used to print
out in this little paper, you can buy it at the gas station, the jail report, and it had
goofy muck shots, goofy stories, stuff like that.
And you'd read some of these and be like, man, that's just absolutely outlandish.
And then before you know it, in the course of this show, man, it's not just local, it's
everywhere, man.
It's like, Florida's wild.
We have had everything from the first one where the lady made her kid eat hot sauce to
win the guy got assaulted with a McChicken chicken to, I mean, a lot of it is like food,
but to where people stolen like 20,000 pounds of chicken wings, like, you're like, people
get arrested and commit some crazy crimes.
So we were like, why not put that on a show?
Like, that's interesting.
Right.
And you know, sometimes you never, sometimes you don't hear that.
And sometimes it's just unbelievable stuff.
Sometimes it's really just unbelievable stuff.
And so we really wanted, we wanted that.
We wanted what fries my donuts.
And you know, we thought of the name.
We were like, you know, we need to do something like what grinds my gears.
Because listen, every, every time in life or everybody in life has a time where or something
that's just aggravating the tar out of you.
And it had, I just say aggravating the tar out of you.
Yes.
And then you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like
in a bag, bro.
You're like, you're like in a bag, bro.
And George came out, man.
It aggravated his fire out of you.
Farer.
Taur, that tar.
Taur.
Warsh, wash down in the creak.
Yeah, I'm telling you.
So, but we really wanted to have that in there.
It just, it's always nice to be able to get your opinion out there, especially when it's
something that makes you upset.
And you know, it's, it's been a little interesting out of all the episodes that we've had.
We do try to keep them.
And this is something we talked about too.
We do try to keep them, we're not trying to make anybody angry, but at the same time,
opinions are going to hurt some people's feelings.
So we try to make it as to the point and hopefully you can understand my point, but if not, is
what it is.
And, you know, a lot of that stuff we understood we had to be conscious about in this day and
age as well, which was kind of interesting comparatively to before because I'll tell
you this much, if we were to do like the Krispy Kreme show back then and kept it going and
things like that, oh man, like I had no filter back then at all.
And it would have just not been very good.
So let's skip to actually like recording it.
And the very first episode, I remember we, we actually recorded it on Thanksgiving night.
I remember that because we were like, okay, we're going to record on Thursdays and Thursdays
is kind of like our day to record it.
Sometimes we'll record on Fridays, but we're like, when do we want to release it?
And we were just like Monday morning, like that's the prime time to release it, right?
So then we're like, okay, let's record it.
Trying to figure out all the technical stuff, all that stuff.
And I remember we were like so nervous, like so, so nervous.
And that definitely shows up in the first episode.
So you're like, what?
Yeah, no, absolutely.
It does make me question what it would have been like if we want to start it with camera
too, like how much more nervous we would have been, but no, we were incredibly nervous.
And don't get me wrong, the first episode was very good, but it was very, we were worried
about getting canceled before we even had a show.
Yeah, because like, oh man, like you never know what you're going to say.
I mean, in the day and age, like, you're like, oh man, everyone's hyper sensitive.
So like, what are we going to get canceled for?
Well, and not just that, but like it's like the canceled portion of it.
But we also just wanted it to be a family show to where it's not something that you
have to worry about if your kids are in the room that you're listening to it, like, oh,
he might say something a little off.
Yeah, he might say the F bomb or might be talking about this because I mean, there's
so many podcasts where it's like, it's like you can't listen to it with your and it's
not it's not that we're, I would say we're family friendly, but it's not like oriented
towards kids or a certain demographic is just like, hey, like we want you to be.
We want to go on.
Yeah.
And it want everybody to be able to understand it, whether you're a kid, whether you're 90
years old, you know, you can enjoy it.
And yeah, I mean, that's so kind of switching gears here and I since we're celebrating
the three year anniversary of the podcast, right?
Um, I know what you're going to say.
Do you have a favorite episode in these three years favorite episode of all time from beginning
to end?
And I have a few of them, but if I had to go off the top of my head, it's really, really
hard to top the first Christmas episode that we had.
That is really hard.
And like we've had, you know, other Christmas episodes, we're going to have another Christmas
episode in a few weeks.
But that first Christmas episode, I don't know why, but that is one like I even go back
in the holidays and I will, I don't listen to every episode over again, but I will re-listen
to that one.
Every other one.
And it's really special to me too, because I think it feels the most like Micah and
Chris where it's like, you could tell we put our creativity into it.
Like our heart and soul was in it.
And it was just a fun episode to do.
My other one, and you know, which one is the trashy Valentine's Day?
The first one.
Yeah.
That one from beginning to end is like, it's great.
Like it's solid.
Yeah.
Maybe you guys hate that one, but that's my personal favorite.
No, I, for me personally, I like it too.
The intro to that one is probably by far my favorite intro.
If you go back and listen to that one, if you haven't, that's, if you've ever listened
to like slow jams or anything like that is like, and you have that or the oral confessions
where it's like, you know, I chewed on you.
It's like, we had that, we had that intro down, man.
It was like, we listened to that way too much.
Is there, are there certain doughnut segments that you were very surprised like, oh yeah,
like, I really enjoy this doughnut segment more.
You were like, oh wow, like I didn't know that was going to be kind of a thing, but it really
is.
Yeah.
The doughnut hole.
We kind of didn't talk about the doughnut hole segment this whole time.
And I think it's because it's changed quite a bit.
I mean, the initial intent, I remember sitting there talking about it and we were like, yeah,
we want to do, I know it was sports stories from the past.
Like it was big sports stories from the past.
In fact, the very first episode we were talking about Michael Vick, not the whole dog fighting
incident, but just living in the Atlanta area.
And when he double flipped out the fans and like what all that was and how that was kind
of the betrayal and removal.
And then kind of that final straw was when of course the dog fighting thing came out.
But we talked about that whole thing.
And really it was supposed to be kind of the sports stories from the past.
Like that's what it really was supposed to be.
And I think that lasted what?
Like two, three episodes.
And then it became a, it might have only lasted the one because I don't think it was just
the one.
And then it kind of on my end, it turned into like movie reviews for a little bit.
And then it was like, now it's like quizzes and games or whatever, but like,
I don't know.
It was, it was one of those things.
It kind of turned into, okay, whatever you want to talk about, like sometimes, because
I've gone into like conspiracy theories.
I've gone into even like aviation conspiracy theories, like planes that have gone down,
you know, some that you know, like the Emilia Earhart stuff, different ones like that.
But it's, it's definitely turned into that.
But you're right.
Here, lately it's turned into quizzes, multiple choice quizzes.
Most of the time.
We'd like to test each other's knowledge on stuff and, you know, what's, what's interesting
about this show more than anything and not just segment wise, but more than anything.
I even though we've been friends for, I don't know, you know, more than 20 years now, I
learned crap about you on this show.
Like literally we'll be talking about things, whether it's a free flow episode, whether it's,
you know, talking about the donahole, answering questions, right?
Sometimes I'll assume like, oh yeah, Chris knows about that.
He's, no, no, no, no, no, or, oh yeah, I assume that he would be leaning this way or leaning
this way on a subject or whatever.
And I'm totally wrong.
And he explains his side and I go, why didn't I think he would think that way, you know,
but you'd be, you'd be learning things and I've, and there's even times where you'll
tell me a story.
I'll go, when did this happen?
Like I never heard this happen before.
Like when did this even happen?
I think part of that too is like sometimes like as people grow, sometimes our opinion
on things change.
But I think mine would probably be the old fashioned donahole and I love telling stories.
I'm like, oh yeah, I forgot that that happened or this and that.
What would you say is like one thing that maybe you've learned over these three years
or maybe one thing you've learned about yourself just kind of, because I mean, I feel like doing
a podcast for that long, you kind of learn things about yourself over that period of
time.
Biggest thing man is consistency.
Like I, this is probably the most consistent thing I've ever done in my entire life.
Like I know that sounds kind of whatever, but I mean, to do something for all these
weeks for three years in a row and put out a product, whether it's good, bad or indifferent
is a feat and a half.
Like I mean, that's, that's huge.
I personally, if you would have went back in like, I would have believed you and said,
like, okay, I can't believe we've had a podcast go on for this long, but it's also on believe.
It's unbelievable because we're talking about, we've had deaths in the meantime.
We've had life happen.
We've had all sorts of things get thrown at us.
We've in these three years, just like anybody else would.
And I'm not trying to be like, oh yeah, I'm up here on my horse.
We've done this for this long.
But to me, what's incredible is the fact that man, this is truly my hobby.
I know I could probably speak for Chris too.
This is truly my hobby because I don't see this as a, oh man, I need to do this.
I need to do the podcast this week.
I got to put this stuff together.
I don't see any of that.
It is a normal part of my routine that, so to answer your question, two things.
If you really enjoy doing something, it's not really work.
And I like, I know that sounds so basic and whatnot, but there are very few things in
my life and anybody's life that you do willingly.
That's like, man, you know what?
That's actually a pretty darn fun thing to do.
And I'll do it all the time.
And then two, consistency.
The consistency aspect has carried over into other areas of my life.
It's like, wow, if I'm consistent at, because it's given me, I don't know about you, Chris,
but it's given me the idea in my mind of, okay, well, if that worked out because of consistency,
what happens if I'm consistent and build other habits into my life every single week or every
single day or whatever, right?
And before you know it, it's built in.
You're not like this podcast.
Again, it's not just a hobby, but I don't really think about it during the week.
Like there will be times where I'll go, yeah, I'll write this down because I'm going to
put this down, but I don't really sit here and think about it.
It's a normal part of the routine.
And so it's, I never thought it would be that.
I always thought that it was going to be, and not to sound like this, but a lot of things
are tasked on a list, right?
It's okay.
It's Thursday again.
Got to do the podcast again.
And it's not that way and that thing, that's probably the most surprising thing and biggest
things that I've learned about with consistency and that sort of thing.
Yeah.
I think I've also seen kind of going back to what you said, like I've seen the growth
on both ends because I'm like, I go back and listen to episodes from like season one
early on.
I'm like, why did I say that?
Or like, why did I think that?
And you're kind of like, oh, because I was going through XYZ at the time, it's like, we've
had career changes.
Like you've gotten married.
I've gotten married.
We've seen a whole bunch of stuff has happened in those three years.
And it's just like, well, but I think it really learns, it helps you learn about yourself.
And it's really helped me communicate better, I think.
Just because I'm more mindful of what I say or how does this come off or this and that.
It's helped me be more concise as well.
I have a problem with over speaking and not landing the plane, so to say.
Me?
No.
But you know, it's one of those things.
Sometimes it's hard to, you know, you circle the airport with your words and never land
the plane, you know, but it's one of those things.
This is really kind of taught me.
And like you said, too, it's really cleaned up.
How do I put this?
Some of those filler words, I noticed a lot more in the beginning.
I said, um, and there was a lot more pauses and there was a lot more, you know, and I've
noticed a lot, it's a lot more polished.
I'm not, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna say this too.
Something else that's kind of weird and something that I was not expecting in a big level of
growth, you know, to be real, the first season, I wouldn't listen back to myself.
And I was a really harsh critic of myself and would kind of how Chris would say like,
oh man, I don't know why I said that and whatnot.
I mean, I would nitpick the tar out of my, I guess I said, tar, geez.
What's going on with me today?
I might not tell you what, but not already.
But I don't know.
I, for me, that's a big change too.
That's a big difference.
So I don't know.
I have, I know you didn't really have that.
I was, no, it was still hard for me to listen to myself.
It's hard.
And I'm going back and watching these, like me being on the microphone and like, that's
okay.
Like not too bad, but like if I ever have to do teaching or like announcements or whatever,
like I can hear myself, but I can't go back and watch myself.
Like I can watch myself without audio, but I can't watch and hear myself at the same
time.
Like I'm kind of noticed how it's going to be, but I totally get that because you're
like, oh man, like I can't believe I said this or I said that.
I think the benefit since like I've edited it, like I've been able to edit out the parts
that I don't like.
So like maybe that's a little bit better for me because I'm like, oh yeah, I didn't like
that I said this.
So I'm going to edit this out.
But I don't know.
My question, I think I have two more before we kind of land the plane because we're looking
back on three years.
Is there anything that you would have liked to change?
Or I mean, we did started doing free flow episodes and I know that was a little bit
of a pivot, but I think it's still great.
Like it's still the back and forth is still good.
So it's not that we've changed the donut box completely.
We've just kind of, I feel like we've adapted, but is there anything that you were like,
man, I wish we would have done this earlier or we wish we would have changed this or we
would have done this differently or.
And I do think I wish we probably would have done free flows earlier.
I know that's the one you've just, mainly because like the structure was good, but something
about doing a free flow, a structure, a free flow, a structure, it works really, really
well.
I really enjoy our free flow episodes like this where we're just kind of talking because
it, I mean, you, you catch Chris and I playing PlayStation on a Friday night and this is
a lot of what you're going to get.
Like it's, it's pretty much the same.
A lot more jokes.
Yeah.
With a lot more jokes.
We get the jokes and we're trying not to do the first thing that we did with the first
variety show where you don't get any of the jokes.
So yeah, you're welcome.
You don't want any of the inside jokes that you want to understand.
So it's, I don't know if I would necessarily change anything else though, man.
It'd be real because there's been, so going back to how I couldn't listen to myself, come
to season two and season three.
It's a, it's a lot easier and I think a lot of that has to do with personal growth, but
I think a lot of that as well, not just being prim and abolished, but I don't know.
This has also kind of helped me not care so much about what people think because it's
one of those things of especially going on camera.
I'll be honest guys.
I was not on board with this at all for quite a while, but the thing is it's like, because
what are you doing?
Not just the podcast, but you're opening yourself up for scrutiny.
I mean, you, you are, especially when you're putting yourself out online.
I mean, I guarantee you we're going to have haters.
I guarantee it.
But at the same time, again, if, if I have such a problem with the haters online, that's
a lesson that I have to learn about how to not care about what those people think because
they're probably just jealous of our podcast and the fact that we have a successful podcast,
right?
And stuff like that.
And so it's interesting because this has taught me that, um, and it's also taught me
to get out there.
I mean, shoot, I did last week in aviation for a little bit, got out there with that
and wasn't expecting to, but you know, the skills that I learned from here translated
over there as well.
Yeah, I think, um, kind of going back to the, I know you were very nervous about going on
camera and there were a few factors of that and they're all legitimate.
And so, uh, I think, I think going on camera, there was one doctor that I was kind of like,
yeah, like I totally understand why he doesn't want to go on camera and all that stuff.
And so I think it's a big step because it is one, like once you're on camera and stuff,
like you're opening up your life, like, right?
Cause it's not just one thing to hear you.
It's one thing to see you and like see your facial, I don't know, whatever, but like,
I totally get it.
And so like, I'm not, I think seasons one through three were a good practice to kind
of like get it polished and everything.
And by no means are we having like tens of thousands of listeners, but when you constantly
chip away at something like you're going to be successful, um, no matter what.
And so I think it's a good thing.
I'm excited for it.
And then my last question, and then we'll kind of land that plane, but what are you excited
for for season four?
Uh, the exposure and how much we're going to get out there, um, to our original OGs.
We appreciate you.
And I hope you're enjoying what's going on here.
But I think the biggest thing is we've got to blow up.
Like I, I feel it in my bones.
I feel, I feel it.
You know, in your spirit, it's been marinating my spirit.
Yeah.
It's, it's one of those things of I, I, there's a lot of different means that we can do as
far as, um, you know, getting a lot of this content out there, getting our faces out there.
And you know, it's, we have a good fan base, a good user base right now.
We love you guys, but we want this to be trash cane nation like we talked about.
We've got it, we've got a lot of big things coming.
And I mean, kind of what we've talked about before with everything, imagine the creative
abilities and imagine the creativity that we can put out with a huge budget with people
to do all the producing for us.
And I'm not saying like I'm enjoying every leg of the process to get there because we
will get there.
But at the same time, that, that's what I'm excited for is because we're going to be getting
to a place where we can just talk.
That's all we have to do.
We can just talk.
We have everybody else not just take care of everything, but we can let our ideas, we
don't have to take our time with editing and things like that.
We can literally just be creative and let our creative and that's all we do.
And I think that's, and you know, maybe that's further than just this year and this season,
but I think that this is a big start to that.
I think it's a big start to it.
Yeah, I'm excited to get to be able, because like there are a lot of times where like,
Mike and I will interact and I'll be like, what?
And like my, I don't know, something or he'll tell a joke or whatever.
But I feel like our free flow episodes have a lot of us, not that we weren't ourselves
before, but it's kind of like letting that wall down and you're just kind of like, okay,
I'm going to crack a joke and like, if you get mad, you get mad, right?
Like there are things like, I'm not going to go out and say crazy stuff because like,
obviously I'm a man of the cloth and like, you know, I don't want like, I don't want
to get fired.
Not that I would say those things anyway, but I'm kind of like, bro, like I'm not going
to go wild and out.
So this is not going to be the after dark version of the Doughnut Box Pocket.
Although we have to use that idea.
Like what if we did an after dark version, but we're not going to do that.
Yeah.
Not, not, not officially.
I'm joking.
We're not doing it.
I'm just going to do it.
But yeah, man, I think it's been a great three years, man.
Like again, I can't believe it's been three years.
Time flies.
Like again, we've seen, we've had celebrations, we've had heartaches, we've had changes and
growth.
And so I'm just excited to see like what season four is going to be like.
And thank you guys.
If you guys have been with us from the very start, please put it in the comments.
Like, thank you guys so much.
And I got to give a shout out to Micah for really taking the initiative and doing the
aviation society and putting out all the plane videos and all that.
So as much as I make fun of him for it, like there is a community out there.
And so if you're watching because you're part of that community, like thank you.
I don't get your obsession, but it's okay.
Yeah.
We get to be crazy about planes.
Yeah.
He don't get it.
It's okay.
He doesn't get WWE either.
So it's, it's, it's a fair trade off.
It's a fair trade off.
We, we, uh, we let each other have our own little worlds.
You know me.
Yeah.
So I think, uh, I wanted to tell them where to go to, uh, find it.
Yeah.
So you were talking about Avery society.
It's actually changed its name over to trash can travel.
We've, you know, my bad.
No, it's all good.
We, uh, so we trains that over the trash can travel or can I say that three times really
fast trash can travel, trash can travel, trash can travel.
That's kind of a tongue twister.
Yeah, it is.
Um, I didn't do that on purpose.
Um, but so you got trash can travel.
You got the trash can network over on YouTube as well.
And that's where a lot of these links are going to be coming from, uh, just that I'm
putting in the description over here.
And of course, if you're watching it by YouTube, that's probably how you're seeing us right
now.
So thank you.
Go ahead and give us a like and subscribe over there.
And then of course we've got the trash can network over on Facebook and Instagram.
So go go.
You know what?
I'm just going to talk to us on any of those ends.
Um, I don't know, man, I'm still not a big fan of that old tick talk.
I don't know.
I'll do anything that I don't tick talk now.
I know, but it's the wave of the future.
Everybody's like the wave of the future and China spying on you.
So I mean, but it's on you already.
So it's whoever you want to spy on you pretty much.
What do you want to spy on you?
You know who does it spy on you though?
The Starship.
I think it's from Jefferson.
I think the Starship is time to take us out.
I'm Chris and I'm Michael and this has been the box.
I cannot speak anybody out there but I am still worried about you.
Because it's you.
Put your hands in my hand, baby, don't ever look back
Let the wound around us just fall apart
Baby, we can make it if we're heart to heart
And we can build a street together
Stay in this dark forever