Now, Micah, I have to go on the Donut Box podcast and I have to confess something.
Oh gosh, what do we confess?
I don't know if we should be doing confessions on here.
What's going on?
I know and you can make all the jokes.
You can do whatever.
I'm ready for the roasting, but I got to confess something.
What are you about to tell me right now?
What are you about to tell me and the listeners of the Donut Box podcast?
What are you about to tell us?
I have to confess that I am really excited for the new Wicked movie that's going to come
out.
I know you're going to say stuff, but I'm excited for it, dude.
I keep seeing the trailers for it and that's like one movie this year.
I was excited that they were going to make and I'm really excited to go see it at theaters.
Are you telling me you're excited to go see a musical at a theater?
Yes, I'm excited, man.
I've been waiting for them to make a movie out of this musical.
It's great.
It's a good musical.
Have you ever seen it?
Yeah, I've seen it.
That's one of those things though.
They've been playing it up so much in these commercials.
I'm hoping that it's actually going to be good because like sometimes when they be playing
it up so much, it's kind of mediocre, but I hope it's actually decent.
Are you going to go see Gladiator 2?
Are you going to wait for that to come out like on streaming service?
I'll just wait on streaming.
So that's the best part.
You could wait on streaming services now for the most part, but I'll probably wait on that
for it looks Gladiator looks pretty good.
I still don't see Beetlejuice.
My wife's seen it without me, but I still didn't see that.
I will go see both in the movie theater and then I'll tell you if it's worth giving it
a watch.
Your old buddy Chris will get out into the hustle and bustle of the crowds for you.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Let me know if it's even worth it.
If not, I'll just, I'll wait for it and won't ever watch it.
Well, I'm Chris and I'm Micah and this is the Donut Box Podcast.
Micah, we are at the end of season three.
My man, this is the last episode of season three.
How are you feeling?
Feel a little weird, man.
This is really, really odd because we're, I mean, it's hard to believe we've been so
consistent every week now for all of, I mean, it's crazy that we're to this point.
It's hard to believe if you would have told me at this point, we would have had a podcast
going this long.
I probably would have believed you, but it's quite the feat, man.
It's quite the feat, but we got big things coming too.
I'm excited for the future of this thing.
It's about to really start popping off, I think.
Interestingly enough, I watched the house party video today and just watching like just
the interactions and like, oh, the secondhand embarrassment that I felt for everyone that
was watching it and the embarrassment that I felt watching it.
And then to fast forward now and be like, oh, man, like I'm so glad that we have kind
of matured and not figured it out, but we definitely, I feel like our game has glowed
up since then.
Are you telling me that, well, we'll save all that, but yeah, no, I'm thankful that
we have gotten a little better at our game here.
And we have to be doing something right because we've got some people consistently listening
to us and we've really appreciate that.
It's just amazing that we're all the way to this point, man.
It's just wild.
Today we have our free flow episode and today we're going to kick it back with asking each
other thought provoking questions.
I've got some fun questions.
I think it's going to be a great mashup for sure.
So with that, let's get started.
Micah, do you have like a pressing question that you just want to ask?
Man, all the questions that I wrote out this week were kind of like deep questions.
So like they're definitely thought provoking, at least in my mind, but I don't have necessarily
a burning one, but I can just start if you want.
Yeah, go for it.
One of my first questions that I wrote, Dan, is happiness a choice or is it a result of
circumstance?
Like do you think that happiness is a choice or do you think that it's all based on circumstance
and the actions that you take?
Like you dictate your own happiness.
So I think happiness is a result of circumstances, but I think joy and contentment is a choice.
So like you, I think you can choose to be happy, but I don't think happy is the right
word.
I think being joyful and content because being joyful and content, that doesn't necessarily
mean that like everything's going right.
But I think happiness is a feeling that kind of changes with the wind, right?
Because it's really easy to go from happy, too sad, to disappointed, to I don't know,
I feel like happiness is a temporary feeling versus like a joy and contentment as a choice.
So you can still be in those places.
You can still be joyful and sad at the same time.
Does that make sense?
And I think you can be like happy and sad.
Like, oh yeah, I'm happy.
I'm going to get this next opportunity, but I'm sad about the people I'm leaving behind.
So does that kind of answer your question?
I know that was kind of like not a clear, direct answer, but does that kind of answer
your question or what do you think about that?
No, for sure.
I definitely, I agree with you and a lot of facets with that.
I completely understand what you're talking about.
And happiness is a fleeting thing for a long time.
You would think logically chasing happiness is what you want to do, right?
Everybody wants to be happy, you'd think.
But Chris is right.
I've learned over time as well that if you chase happiness, your life will be a roller
coaster.
It's like minute by minute.
Sometimes you could be happy, but a lot of times going back to circumstance, circumstance
can happen and all of a sudden you're unhappy because of things that are out of your control.
So no, I completely, I completely agreed.
I think that happiness is, you know, it's a result of circumstance, but I really think
that it really, like joy and even like practicing thankfulness plays into it as well.
Of course, we're going into the season of Thanksgiving, some of my favorite times, but
I feel like that's a choice, right?
You have the choice to be thankful on things as well.
And so I think there's some delineation there, but no, I think you're absolutely right.
That's awesome.
Cool deal.
I agree with all of that.
And I'll pick for this first like softball question.
It'll be kind of a fun, lighthearted question.
But if you were a ghost and again, however you believe about ghost hunting, but if you
were a ghost and you could haunt any place, like where would you choose to haunt?
My behind is like, let's, let's haunt an airport or let's haunt a stadium of some sort.
Right?
Like, I don't know.
That way you can have free sporting events.
I mean, stadium would kind of not be fun because you have your down periods.
Airport's a little bit more active, I guess, to see all the different planes and whatnot.
Does that mean you can get on whatever planes you want, like fly and like come back technically?
If you're a ghost hanging out in an airport, I would, I would think so.
Now, if you were a ghost, do you think you would be like a helpful ghost, like help police
officers solve crimes?
Do you think you'd be like a mischievous ghost, like a Casper?
Or do you think you would be like, Hey, I just want to scare the crap out of people?
I think your combination.
Listen, if there are people who are jerks out there that deserve to get scared to be
a little bit spooked, then yeah, I think I would do that.
But I think a large in part, I think that would be the frustrating part about being
a ghost or a spirit in a place is if you're hanging around and like you see somebody's
in trouble or like something's happening or like you're trying to communicate to them
of like, Hey, don't do that because you're going to get whacked or something.
You know what I mean?
And like they can't hear you or see you.
I think that'd be really, really frustrating.
So but I mean, you would try to help.
I don't know.
I feel like a lot of times it's think we'll be able to hear you or see you, let you knock
a broom over or some crap.
I don't know.
Yeah, I think I would be like mischievous.
I would hope that in this ghost world that I would get to be in the same place as my
buddy Micah and we could just cause mischief together and I think I would like to help
like police officers solve crimes like that would be really cool because I know like I
think that would just be really cool for sure.
But I would hope that I get to be with my buddy Micah and if that's the case, then we're
just causing mischief.
You just want to play cop as a ghost.
You're to be the ghost cop detective or whatever over here.
All right, man.
So my next question is, does time really exist or is it just a human construct?
I know we've I'm sure you've heard people talk about that before, but how do you feel
about that?
Do you think that time is a real thing or do you think that it is just something that
is man made?
That's kind of hard because like I know that like when you talk about God, like the concept
of time is way different, but I do think time is a real thing because think about it like
maybe this is because like we live in a fallen world, but things age, right?
So things age, but maybe like in the Garden of Eden, maybe things didn't age at all.
So maybe there was no time like maybe, you know, like before sin came into the world,
like there was no time, but I think time is definitely a way for us to track things.
And so like if we didn't have any time, then I think we would be lost and there would be
a lot of like chaos.
But at the same time, I'm also thinking like think about the time cycles of like the moon
and the sun and the stars.
Like if you think about that, like because the moon pulls the tide in, right?
Depending on what time of year it is.
So if you think about it that way, then time isn't just a man made thing.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
No, it does.
It does.
And so I think that's actually a little bit of a different accord.
I think that time is completely a man made thing.
And the reason I think so is I do agree with you, but I think that just like anything over
time humans discovered, okay, we need some sort of form of organization.
I'm sure they got upset with, because you know, people have had jobs for, I don't know
how long, like yes, it went from subsistence farming, you know, just kind of getting the
food for yourself or the food for your family.
And that's kind of what it was all about.
But after a while, when people started coming together and creating, you know, small villages,
cities, groups of people, I think that it became, you know, what comes inherently after
that things like jobs and other, you know, functions and things like that.
I think that there became, there was a need that happened of just like any other organization
of like, hey, we need some sort of construct of time.
And I think that if you look through history, you know, people have always been fascinated
with the stars and astrology and everything like that.
And I think it's because it's the easiest thing to do is look up to the heavens and
okay, all this, don't come your eye.
I mean, you know, we don't, we in this age, I don't feel like go out and look at the stars
nearly as much as we should, because it really is beautiful.
And I can, I can understand why, you know, astrology was so big, but I think that going
out and looking at astrology and looking at the patterns that happened, and then looking
at correlations, you know, say that you lived in a coastal environment and you saw what
the moon was doing over time.
And a lot of these people would journal, you know, a lot of these scientists and different
things, they would journal these things, the moon's phases.
And then you discover, okay, there's a cycle, right?
There's a cycle here.
There's a cycle there.
And I think that probably at first, just like anything, probably the original, because you've
even heard of like the mine calendar and all sorts of stuff.
I think that there was a bunch of different calendars and different timekeeping pieces.
And I just think that finally we got to a place where it succinct to the planetary movements
and to the sun's movements and to the moon's movements.
And we just finally got to this point.
Basically, it's just evolution and play.
We just organized it completely.
That's my thought on it.
Well, that explanation is what makes me think like before sin came into the world that there
was no time, right?
There was no social...
Because it wasn't needed, right?
Because you think about seasons, right?
The only reason why you need seasons is to know when to plant and know when to harvest.
But before, they didn't have to plant.
They didn't have to harvest because like things just popped up naturally for them.
And so like I lean and agree with you of I do think it's more of a manmade construct
for them to help, I guess, have jobs and stuff.
But like you think probably in the Garden of Eden, they didn't really need time.
They didn't have cares.
They didn't have worries.
They wouldn't need time to even track the cycles of the moon so that they could do their
jobs.
They would just probably know, hey, like don't go here because the tide's going to be high
at this time or not this time, but like, hey, the tide's just high.
So we're not going to...
I don't know.
But that explanation you gave and that's a very thought-provoking question because in
the Bible it says like a thousand days is like a day to the Lord and a day is like a
thousand days.
So like there is no time construct.
So maybe in heaven, I don't think we're going to have time at all.
And that's something, you know, it's kind of interesting going a little step further
to that.
That was the one thing as a kid and, you know, going to some of our other episodes talking
about the upbringing that we had and some of the more religious and kind of the more...
some of the ideologies that we had.
I didn't understand, okay, going to heaven forever and not having a time construct.
It's like, okay, does that...
I remember as a kid asking my grandfather being like, so does that mean like a thousand
years or does that mean it's like, no, no, no, that's like forever, like infinity.
Like there is no stop to it.
And it's like my mind couldn't understand that and still has a hard time understanding
that of like there is no stop, like there is no end.
Like that doesn't...
So I don't know.
Yeah, because with time, time signifies that there's an end to things, if that makes sense.
Exactly.
So I think that it's just our... at least in my human finite mind, it's hard to grasp,
okay, there is an eternity and a forever and there's not a, okay, yeah, it might be like
this for a little bit, but there's going to be an end to it, you know, it's kind of interesting.
Now, that's a good question.
That's a real thought-provoking question and it does facilitate or spark like that thought
of, oh, is it really?
Like, I don't know, but I'm leaning more towards with you, like, yeah, I think it is a man-made
construct to help keep things in order and in place for sure.
But I definitely think what you're saying as well about, you know, before the Garden
of Eden, what happened, it not being needed, I agree.
And I think there's probably a lot of other things like the seasons and like the other
things that you were talking about that came into play after what happened at the Garden
of Eden happened.
I agree with you there too.
For sure.
The next question is, who is someone either now or maybe in your past that like has modeled
just a good example of being a generous, kind person and like you were like, man, like,
I kind of want to be that person either when I grow up or you say, hey, like, I want to
aspire to be this person.
I'll tell you this, the first person that comes to mind, and I know you probably looked
up to him for a while too.
I'm not going to hide his name.
He's Jamie Flippo.
Like he was in to say who he was.
One, he's my Godfather.
But two, he was always extremely generous.
And at least to me, my, you know, what happened with me just a side story, him and his wife,
when Chris and I were going to move to Texas, they actually offered to have me move in with
them for my last year of high school, it's like, okay, in case you don't want to leave
your friends and leave this, you know, your school and whatnot, you can stay out here
until you graduate, which I mean, that's no small thing, especially, I mean, I ate a lot.
So that that food bill would have went through the roof.
I don't think they even knew.
But but I don't know that I always stood out to me one and not just that, but Jamie was,
he was a police officer one.
And he was one of the only police officers that like, I hate to say this, but a lot of
times police officers like you know, you should trust them, but there's always that like,
and I don't know if I really fully trust you, like, because there's always that thing.
He's the only one that I'm like, man, I know him on a personal level.
And I know like, he do he does the right thing, you know what I mean?
I know as a police officer, he did the right thing, and I know, you know, he's one of those
guys you could just really ultimately trust.
And I know that I could call him for anything, probably, and, you know, it'd be it'd be cool
and haven't talked to him in a while.
But it's one of those things like a problem call him up and, you know, he'll help me work
through some stuff.
So I don't know for me, I always looked up to that guy.
In fact, I know when you kind of did the Explorer program stuff like that.
And I mean, there was a point in time where I thought about being a cop just because of
like what you were doing and like what Jamie was doing.
So like, I don't know that that was that's my answer for that.
Yeah, they were they were definitely very generous and and you're right on that.
Like he's one of those people that you always knew he would just do the right thing.
And then I don't know if you knew this, but when my dad had cancer the first time, like
they let me stay at their house while my dad was having surgery and they like took me to
school.
They picked me up from school a few times.
It took me to my grandfather's house, like which my grandfather lived like down the street
from them.
But like they were just very generous and the fact that they let me stay with them during
that time like just meant a lot to me for sure.
And I'd say probably another person for me was Tony, like just being a genuine person.
Like he I mean, he cared basically like if it wasn't for him, I probably would have stopped
going to church a long time ago when I was in middle school.
But I just always felt like he was the one person that genuinely cared about who I was.
And you know, we told this story too.
But before we left for Texas, he showed up at like 530 a.m. in the morning at the gas
station to see us off.
Like he didn't have to get up that early.
He was like, hey, like what time are y'all leaving?
And I was like 530 and he was like, OK, well, I'll be there.
And he like saw us off.
And so that was someone that like spoke to me as just being a like a genuine human being
and like loving God and admitting like, hey, I don't have this all together.
I'm still trying to figure this out too.
I remember he had two gift cards for us too for like tractor supply.
I think it was what it was for.
And it was just like, dang, bro.
Yeah, he was always extremely generous.
And you know, he's the one that, you know, a lot of times when you say the word generous,
you think about money like you think about money or you think about giving somebody
something else.
Tony was really big about giving of his time.
Like I don't know where he got the time, especially, you know, we were in his small group.
And you know, he had a he had a job.
He ended up being our youth pastor at one point.
But before that, he had a job.
I mean, he had a job during the week and not just that, but he really loved to hunt.
So he made time during hunting season.
But at the same time, like I remember him coming to like he came to one of my football
games one time.
And I think didn't he come to he didn't go to one of your baseball games?
Did he?
I think he like he showed up to something or he showed up to like an orchestra concert
or something like, I don't know, he showed up.
It really showed me as a kid because most of the time, I don't know, it was like, yeah,
you'd have certain people show up in your life, but you wouldn't have like typically
the guy from church who's like your your small group leader doesn't care enough typically
for being real.
It's not like they don't care enough, but it's like typically they don't have enough
time and it's just like they don't have that in depth relationship of like basically like
as a mentor, you know, and I don't know.
Tony was also was really good about being generous with his time for sure.
Yeah.
And I don't know if you know this, but when he first started his small group, he was just
brand new married.
Like he was a brand new like married person and he opened up his home.
It wasn't a big place, but he led 14 middle school kids like have small group at his
house and like deal with us jumping on the furniture, deal with us being idiots.
And so like I'm very thankful for him.
All right.
So my next question here.
So this is also another one that I've heard a lot of people talk about and I think I know
your answer on this, but it's more of the why and we'll kind of get into it.
Are we architects of our own life or are we merely just following a predetermined path?
Like do you think there is predestiny and basically everything is already set and determined
like God already knew how to all plays out.
And so the plan's already there.
He do the decisions you're going to make.
It's all predetermined.
Or do you think that it's malleable and where the masters of our own domain?
I think it kind of goes sometimes we think either it's God has every like it's all predestined
or it's only free will and I'm like it's not either or it's both and does that make sense?
So like God gives us free will and we can choose that path.
But like ultimately like, you know, I think if the Lord really wants a plan for you, like
he's going to get you there one way or the other.
I don't think it's all predetermined or predestined at all.
I do think free will plays into that a lot because I mean, God gave us free will.
So it's up to us to know now, like I do think he's going to get your attention for you to
like for you to like, you know, go on his path.
But like I think of it like this, right?
Like you put in the GPS like, yeah, I know where I'm going, but maybe you take a wrong
turn and now you got to go two hours out of the way.
Like God is always rerouting you to the final destination.
I feel like even if you take those wrong turns, it may take you longer to get there.
But I think it's a lot like, hey, like you get to choose this or not, or you could choose
to just stop and not do anything, right?
So I think a lot of it is free will because God, that's what God gives us.
So I get you.
So and I think another way of saying this too is would you say that maybe some things
are predetermined, right?
Like there were some things that already controlled the parents that you were born into the situation
that you were born into the location you were born at, right?
Or even some of the things that happened during the times that you're alive and some of those
uncontrollable things.
But the things that are within your room of control or how do you react to those things
or how you take the negatives and the positives and either sow those seeds, reap those, you
know, the benefits later or, you know, however you handle it pretty much, right?
That's pretty much what you're saying.
So there's some that's predetermined that's just out of your control and there's some
of it that is like, okay, with the situation that you're given, how are you going to handle
this?
Yeah.
And I don't know what it is because you look at like some people in the Bible, like, and
some people it's like, yeah, like God has a plan for everybody.
But there I feel like sometimes there's certain people is like, no, like no matter how many
times you try to run from it, like, like God's going to get you to where he wants to get
you sometime.
Jonah being a big example of that with getting stuck in the whale.
But I think that I think where a lot of people get hung up with the whole predetermined path
or predestiny, right, is the thought of God being all knowing and all omnipotent and knowing
what's already going to happen, right?
And having that plan, you would sit here and think, well, he's no he knows that I'm going
to make this decision or I'm not going to follow him and say no to doing this, or I'm
not going to listen to what he says.
And so he knows I'm going to get off the path here.
He knows I'm going to stay on the path here, right?
And so it's all predetermined because since he knows that already, then all the actions
and everything are lined out in place because he knows the timings of everything.
I think that's where a lot of people gets hung gets hung up on that.
I think it goes back to that conversation about time.
Timing.
Yeah.
Because we think God just thinks linear.
No.
I don't know if you've seen it, but in the Avengers Endgame, Dr. Strange is looking and
it's like, I've looked at it and I've looked into the future.
And there are 678 possibilities of how this situation is going to turn out.
But there's only one where we win.
And it's like, oh, OK.
So I don't know.
God knows all the dips and turns that people are going to make, whether they do something
here or not do something.
But he knows how it's all going to turn out in the end.
And we think that God thinks just linear and a linear space and in a time, strictly space,
but God's so much bigger than that.
So it's like, I don't know, it's a hard concept to wrap your brain around.
The fact that you have free will, but God also knows how your life is all going to turn
out anyway.
So it's kind of a hard construct to think about.
Yeah, it's really hard.
But that's why I asked it is because these are the things that sometimes you sit there
and think to yourself and go, oh, man, you have a weird answer, but at the same time,
it's kind of a dawn answer, if that makes sense.
Because it's like, yeah, I have an answer for it, but it's kind of a weird void and
a gray area that you're not 100% about.
Cool, though, I have another question.
If you had a secret room in your house, you ever seen those big houses where you find
secret passageways to other rooms and hidden rooms?
I don't know what it is.
I love things like that, where you're just like, I didn't know this was another room.
I don't know if I'm the only one.
Are you that way?
Do you like that?
Oh, yeah.
No, for sure.
I've always wanted to have, call it cartoony or whatever, but have the library room with
the bookshelf that like, moves and has the secret room behind it or whatever.
Yeah, so if you had one of those in your house, what would be inside it and why?
Oh, arcade, 100%.
Hidden arcade.
I don't know, just a hangout spot with some chairs and arcade.
I don't know, I've always wanted to have hidden arcade.
That's just the thing.
Yeah, I do too, because if you have kids, they're like, oh, I want to be in there all
the time.
I want to be in the secret room.
Okay, me and my butt.
Hey, we're going to come hang out here when the party's getting a little like, there's
too many people in here.
And you know how it is, man?
It's like, if we be hanging out and say we live closer, right?
And maybe our wives are a little agitated that day.
So it's like, I'm going to hang out with my old buddy and we go into our arcade, our
public arcade and you know, handles broken or something like that.
You know how kids are, they'll break something.
And especially what happened, I mean, come on, if you remember the door handle instant
that we've talked about before where I let Chris take the fall for doing the door handle.
If we both, you know, have kids and they're friends with each other and something like
that happens and we go in there and it's one of our arcade machines, I'm going to lose
my crap.
I'll just let you know.
I'm going to lose it.
So it's like, it's just better to have it like, ain't nobody know where it is.
That way you can have big buck hunter.
You can have the NFL Blitz.
You can have, I mean, whatever you want, little basketball games, all that good jazz.
For sure.
How about you though?
I think yes.
I think yes to the arcade and then maybe it would lead to like a secret indoor basketball
court.
Maybe not full court, but have like, I've always wanted like my own like private basketball
court.
It doesn't have to be big.
It doesn't have to be big, but it's just like somewhere where it's like, oh yeah, like,
ain't nobody else playing.
Yeah.
So I'm going to, maybe this is weird of me, but I'm going to go in on why I don't like
public court spaces.
Like even if it's one, everybody be trying to like play a game and be like, oh, they
want you to be on a team.
Now you're playing against a bunch of, like with a bunch of Randos, which is to me, I
don't find that fun.
Like I don't, I don't find that very fun.
And then two, it's like you got people who are like obnoxious and in your way or like,
you know, hogging the basketball or like whatever.
I just don't like that stuff.
I just like shooting hoops and not being around people.
I don't know.
So I definitely understand a hidden basketball court for sure.
I'm down with that campaign for sure.
All right.
So my next question, should we, and this is a very controversial one, should we have the
ability to design humans or animals through genetic engineering and the same thing with
cloning?
Do you think that that is something that we, you know, we've already experimented to quite
a bit.
I even read an article the other day where they mutated a mosquitoes genes to where
it made their snoot poker, whatever you call it, you know, their nose where they suck people's
blood made it unable to pierce human skin.
So like they, they can get to animals, but they can't get to us pretty much, but they
genetically mutated that.
Do you find that right?
Or do you think that that, because I mean, it happens all the time.
We genetically modify food, all sorts of stuff.
But I think when it comes to like cloning and things, that's where it gets a little bit
more controversial with people.
What do you think?
Yeah, I, I, I'm not a proponent of it just because again, and I hate to make this like
religious podcast, but it's just part of who I am.
I just feel like you're starting to play God at that point.
And I think when you get to that point, there are no, I don't think there are checks and
balances at all, and it, it puts power into too many people's hands.
And I feel like in the wrong hands, that power can be used like for, because it's like, what
if I want to create this super like spider monkey that can, and that can defeat Russia
or something?
I don't know.
Like, I just feel like that's like, like God be God.
And that, that just puts the creation too much into our hands when you're creating, like
it's one thing where you're talking about animals, but when you're creating a whole
another life, like, you know, like, and I know that like humans create life all the time
by procreating.
And I think that's like God gave us that and that's natural.
And I'm not talking about like IBF or anything like that.
That's not what I'm talking about.
But when you're like trying to create a human and like you're like, yeah, I'm going to be
the one to pick what color eyes they have.
I'm going to be the one to pick this and that.
It's like, dude, like, no, that's not, like, that's not okay.
I, I don't know.
I just feel strongly about that.
I don't know.
I think what's hard is, you know, going back to a lot of our food, vegetables, things like
that, even, you know, a lot of the crops and, you know, even cattle, sheep, that sort of
thing, our chickens are modified to where they're, they can get bigger.
They have more meat on them to, you know, supply more food and things like that.
Naturally, that's for our benefit.
But I also wonder, I mean, we all know, and we've heard about preservatives and how bad
some preservatives can be and things like that in food.
My question is you do these sort of things and then say that it's food or we're using
these, you know, animals as tools or even, you know, cloning certain things, doing scientific
experiments.
What, because it's not natural, right?
Because we're modifying these things, what are these side effects that come out of it?
Oh, I'll tell you.
I think it's, I think that's the reason why we've seen an addition to technology.
That's why we've seen cancer spike up.
Well, that's what, that's exactly what I was going to say.
I think that's why we have a lot of cancer rates and I think that's, it's because of,
I think a lot of what we've gone to, really in any industry, right?
You think about food too, they add these genetically modified hormones and what ends
up happening is it's like, yes, we can pump the food out faster.
Is it good for you?
No, but we can get food to you, right?
People don't care about if it's good for you or not, especially in the United States here.
They don't care.
It's like, as long as they can get food to people, that's the whole point.
And so, you know, you do have people who shop conscious and healthy and organic.
And I even think that, you know, the whole organic thing, I think there is a whole other
end of the spectrum to where organic is bad for you too.
I'm not saying that it's like all bad for you, but I'm saying like you can go so far
to the other extreme to where it's not, but you know, highly processed, highly modified
foods.
I think that's a lot of where our problems are.
Obesity rates, period, you know, a lot of stuff, diabetes rates, cancer rates, I think
that's where a lot of it is.
It's just because we have a lot of good food that gets pumped out to us, but you know,
it's just so heavily modified.
For sure.
Yeah.
So it's, I mean, it's a tricky subject again, but.
We get controversial on the donut box, but no, I'm joking.
Speaking of controversial, what's a conspiracy theory that you would invent if you had to
come up with one that would actually be believable?
Oh man.
So like if I had to just like throw one out there.
Yeah.
That's like, oh yeah, or come up with one that's not, it's not like one that's already been
made.
You would just come up with it on your own.
Not like a main, not like a mainstream one.
Yeah.
Not a mainstream one.
The only one that comes to my mind is like in this, no, but I've already heard of that
one though.
Like there's like some uncommon ones that I've like latched onto that are like, unbelievable,
like unbelievably fake, but I'll just, I'll just say one of them.
Like the one about the, the scientists that bored a hole into their ice in Russia and
got so far down and lowered a microphone that they could hear hell.
They could hear the screens of hell.
Yeah.
Have you heard that one?
Oh, are you, you know what mine would be?
And I've said this to some people and they kind of look at me and be like, you know what?
I would believe that.
The fact that in the song Billie Jean, that Michael Jackson is talking about Bruno Mars,
that Bruno Mars was the kid.
Either Bruno Mars or the weekend was the kid that was Michael's quote unquote illegitimate
son and that he's singing about that kid.
Son.
But it's not really.
Think about it, the weekend and Bruno Mars, like they singing like Michael, they look
like Michael a little bit like they got the moves.
They kind of look like a myth.
Like what if that is his illegitimate son and he's singing about that and Billie Jean.
And I've told people down there like, dude, they've been like, I would believe that.
Like that sounds very believable.
And I'm like, yep.
See, I'm like, you know, I would say, you know who that is?
I said, blanket.
Blank is Bruno Mars.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, I can see it.
And pillow's the weekend.
It's like, I thought pillow was the girl.
It's like, no, it was the weekend.
No.
No, that's that's good.
No, I haven't thought about that either.
But I could definitely.
So like the weekend I can kind of see, but like Bruno Mars, definitely I could definitely
see that.
Like he does look like Michael.
Oh yeah.
You'd be like, yeah, that's the kid you was singing about Billie Jean.
Yeah.
That's the one that Michael had that over the balcony.
Yep.
That was it.
Yeah.
What he's all like, the kid is not my son.
And I'm like, I looked it up and I was like, Bruno Mars is just slightly like the timelines
slightly line up, but not all the way.
So there is some doubt.
It's like, oh yeah.
Like, I think Bruno Mars could be that son he was talking about from Billie Jean.
Could be the one, huh?
That's great.
That is, that is a good one.
That is a good one.
All right, man.
My next question.
Now this, I wouldn't say this is controversial, maybe to the art lovers out there, but would
you say that art is essential for human progress or is it just a luxury piece for the rich
and famous?
Now, when you say art, do you mean music or do you mean like just traditional art?
I'm talking more traditional art.
So music is separate.
I'm talking more traditional.
Like paintings and stuff.
Yes.
I honestly would say that's a luxury.
I think music and I think theater are important, right?
Because they're telling human stories and helping the human development and music is
definitely you need music to progress for society to progress.
Like music is kind of a fundamental thing of society.
But as far as like traditional art goes, and I'm going to maybe make some people mad, but
to be honest, like I don't think we need it today.
Like we have so many different forms, like a traditional art, but I mean some people
would say, well, tattoos are art.
And I'm like, yeah, but like I don't really need a tattoo.
It's just something I like to express my body on my body.
But see, to that point, I feel like you can call a lot of things art.
I've heard food be called art.
You know, they've done some sort of, some sort of visually appealing thing to addition.
It's like, wow, this is just an art form of what it is, right?
You can call a lot of things art.
I think for me, traditional art, I think is just in that word traditional.
I think that it did serve a purpose in the progression of things at one point, historically,
until modern technologies came out.
For instance, I think art was very important because we wouldn't know what some people looked
like.
You have these portraits out there of, you know, kings, queens, very important people
out there.
We wouldn't know what any of these people looked like or what these things were.
Even depictions of cities, like we wouldn't know what some of these cities looked like
way back when if we didn't have paintings of them.
So I think that that was very important before cameras came out and things in technologies.
And I think as technology progressed, art became, traditional art became more blurred.
Like yes, do I think that there is a place for a photo realist painting of New York City
or something like that?
Yes, it's very beautiful.
But again, I think that's where it becomes luxury because who's going to have that on
their wall and say, ooh, I want to stand here and look at this art.
Most people, at least most middle class people that I know of do not, right?
That's only something that people of upper echelon pay for to have on their wall to have.
So I think that it has become more of a luxury now.
And you can definitely appreciate art.
I know plenty of people that go to museums and say, wow, that is beautiful.
But at the same time, is it progressing us forward anywhere?
I don't necessarily think so.
Yeah, I don't think so at all.
I'm 100% with you on that.
Especially not the modern art crap.
Now that's a whole other subject, man.
I mean, I sent you that stupid video of the people that had a block of butter and they
were slinging a mini microphone through it and sold the recording with the painting of
the butter that was like the sound of butter or whatever.
It was ridiculous.
It's like, man, a lot of this stuff, you can just make it up as you go along and call
it modern art, call that good.
So I don't think that progresses anything.
I think that's just people that got too much money and too much time on their hands.
I think that's what that is.
All right, just next one.
If you could go on a competition reality show, so like Survivor, Big Brother, The Amazing
Race, Aint Master, those type of shows, is there one that you would want to go on and
watch?
I don't have any kind of talents like that.
That's the only thing.
Not one that I would be like, yeah, I'm going to take it on TV.
If there was one, if I was a good stand-up comedian, there was one, do you remember that
stand-up comedy one?
What was that called?
Yeah, Last Comic Standing.
That was a pretty...
I heard there was a lot of controversy around that show after a while though.
It's like, I think that would be a pretty fun one just because they put you through the
gauntlet.
Is it Last Comic Standing?
Is that what it is?
All the different...
I mean, you had to make so many different bits so fast.
I definitely wouldn't be good at it because I'm not very good at stand-up comedy.
But I would say something like that.
You can't really call it a competition show, but I think Who's Lonnie's Nating Way would
be pretty fun, but it's not really a competition show.
But I feel like you...
But it's still a lot of pressure because you have to come up with stuff on the fly.
Do you have one?
Yeah, I would probably...
And you can judge me on what I want, but if I had to go on one, like I didn't have a choice,
I'd probably go on Big Brother.
Because that game is just about like...
Surviving the house.
Like, so...
Yes.
Yeah, just being sociable and just being liked enough to not get voted out.
I mean, there are challenges like every weekend stuff, but like I think that's just about
who's going to be the best at being likable and relatable.
Or I would go on that show Traders.
It's basically a one big game of Mafia, which I think I would enjoy.
But those would probably be the only two.
I would like to get tattooed on Ink Masters.
I can't tattoo, but I think it'd be cool to get a tattoo on Ink Masters.
That'd be great.
Yeah, I think that'd be pretty cool as well.
Yeah, that'd be pretty fun.
One that is not on the air anymore that I wouldn't mind going on.
Again, I don't think I cook this well, but I think it'd be cool to go on the show Iron
Chef where you have to cook against a master.
Like it's really hard because you have to come up with like a four or five course dish
in an under an hour.
You don't want to go on Hell's Kitchen?
No, bro.
I wouldn't want to do that.
Get berated.
You don't want to get yelled at?
Yeah, I don't want to get berated.
At least like Iron Chef, they treat you with dignity like, oh man, you've made it all the
way to this point, so you must be a pretty darn good chef.
You know what I mean?
So there's that.
All right, so my next question, would you feel that home is a place, a feeling or a
connection with people?
Like if you had to describe what home is or if it's a it could be a combo of all of them.
It's probably a combo all of them because to be honest, like Texas, like that's home
for me, right?
Like that's a physical place where I feel home.
And then like with you guys, like I feel home when I'm around with you guys.
So I think home is just, I don't know, finding your people and your place where you fit in.
So I think it's a combination of things, man.
I don't think it's necessarily a geographical location, but at the same time to like Texas
is home, I feel at home when I'm here, like I can go to any other state.
And then when I come back to Texas, I'm like, oh yeah, like this is home.
So I don't know.
I guess it would be a combination of all three for myself.
If I had to pick one more, it's definitely kind of a feeling, but I would say it's the
connection with people and reason being is, um, so, you know, I've lived certain places.
I've lived with people and things like that.
And, you know, the thing is you, you feel what home is when you're there, but at the
same time, I also feel like home is where you go to somebody else's house and you don't
have those weird internal limitations or restrictions.
And Chris knows that up.
You feel like you can go in their fridge and just grab some.
You can go in their fridge.
You feel like you could go take a dookie in their toilet and it ain't a big deal.
Like, they're just like different things that, and I'll put it to this way, 99.9% of houses
I will go into are like people's places I'll go into.
I do not feel comfortable to like go number two in their toilet to just go and get food
from their fridge.
Like even going and getting like water, it's like, I'm not going to go and get nothing
unless I'm offered it.
You know what I mean?
Like that's, that's how it is most places.
So I feel like, uh, it's, if, if I have a really strong connection, like there are several
people like, um, our wedding photographers, super good friends, right?
Unfortunately they moved away from where we are now, but, um, there for a little bit when
they lived here, we would go over to their house all the time and bro, I felt comfortable
as all get out, right?
You, you know where everything is.
You can go get yourself water, tea, whatever, like not a, not a big deal.
Sit there and watch TV and like you legitimately feel comfortable, but that's because like
you have the connection with people and know that they're cool enough to do that with,
you know what I mean?
And so I, I think that's where that comes in for me is like, and I'm not saying that
that's what home is, but like it's one of those things to where if somebody were to
say, Hey, you have to go live with them now.
I'm not hating it because I'm like, okay, I can, I can, I can do this.
Yeah.
Not a big deal.
Yeah.
I think, uh, at my mom's house for sure, like I feel that way because I grew up in that
house.
So it's kind of like, oh yeah, like this is my childhood home and then with you guys
for sure, but like, yeah, I'm with you.
It's like, oh yeah, you can go in the fridge, like grab whatever you want.
I still be like, I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know about all that.
Yeah.
I don't know about all that.
Well, and that was the other thing that was, um, that was interesting.
You know, I don't talk to my parental's as it is, but you know, they moved, we moved
a couple of times, right?
And so the house that we, like even the house that we moved into when we got to Texas, I
kind of felt like that was home, but not really.
Like that was kind of like how it's kind of in between spot.
You know what I mean?
That's not like home sweet home kind of deal.
Yeah.
I felt like it was just a place to sleep.
Absolutely.
And so, and then so when I was still talking to my parental units and they moved, um, and
went to another house, like that other house that they moved to, I did not feel comfortable
there at all.
I didn't feel like that was a place for me.
Like, you know what I mean, like I did not feel like at least that other house, I guess
probably cause you, we actually did live there.
It somewhat felt like a place you could hang your hat and be comfortable in, but not a hundred
percent.
And then that other house is like, not, this is a foreign place.
Like it don't feel comfortable at all.
And like, no matter what you do, it had that feeling of like, you know, you could probably
go to the fridge and do all this other stuff, but nah, you really can't.
So don't, you know what I mean?
So it's like, there's, there's a lot.
So it was just kind of weird how all that went.
I only got two more questions left.
And if you don't want to answer this question, it's okay.
And I'm not trying to out you, but can you explain to us what your, uh, reasoning is
or what your fear is behind glass elevators?
Okay.
Man, I wish I could tell you, like there's really not a, besides just that like primal
fear of, it's like watching your feet leave the ground.
It's, I have this same feeling and the same fear.
Say whenever we do one of those freefall towers where it, you know, picks you up and drops
you, um, I hate those in particular because your feet are dangling off the ground.
And so you look down and you literally see your feet leave in the ground and you realize
like, Hey, there's a little piece of plastic that is supporting me from, you know, plummeting
this whole entire distance here.
And I guess for glass elevators, really, if you think about what an elevator is made out
of, I mean, it is literally, you got a few wheels going on a track and you have a series
of cables lifting you up.
Now really and truly elevators are very safe, right?
I mean, they're very safe, but at the same time, I think my biggest fear, it's one thing
when you're in an elevator, say the cable snaps and you're in the elevator and you don't see
what's going on.
Okay.
It's a, it's a fall.
You go bang and you're gone, right?
Glass elevators.
However, that cable snaps.
You're watching yourself fall like you are watching the fall and you're entrapped in this
thing and then, you know, you get death by a thousand cuts too, because you get to go
through all the shattered glass and everything as well.
So when you're in a glass elevator, where do you look?
Where do you just close your eyes?
Typically, I just look at the door, like I'll face away from the glass elevator and I'll
look at the door and try to stand as close to the door as possible because you can still
see out of your proof wheels, you know, out of the side of your eyes.
You can still see what's going on.
That'll still freak me out.
Now here's the other weird instance.
Here's the other weird part to this.
I'm freaked out going up in glass elevators, coming down in glass elevators.
I have no problem with that.
It's probably because you know that you're coming close to the ground and so you're okay.
So if you fall, it's not going to be that big of a deal.
But if you're going up and then you fall, that's a whole another pretty fall.
Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah.
And again, it's just that feeling of watching yourself leave the ground.
Now it's interesting because angled inclines like roller coasters, planes taking off,
things like that.
I'm totally fine with.
I could totally look outside and be like, oh yeah, leaving the ground.
No big deal.
But when it's straight up and down, I have a problem with that.
Don't know.
I just wanted to ask that question for the viewers.
I know you're always curious about that.
It's like, what the heck is that even about?
All right.
So my next question, this one's another in depth one.
Do you believe as humans that we are born inherently good or inherently bad?
Like, do you think we are constantly fighting in the worst versions of ourselves and we
are inherently bad or do you think we're inherently good and the world just changes us and influences
and tempts us with sin?
I mean, again, I have to go back to the Bible and it says like, you know, there's no one
not righteous and no not one.
And I think we are inherently bad because think about it like a baby.
Like one of the first things they do, like they lie, right?
Like you tell them, did you knock that down?
They shake their head.
No, even before they can talk.
And so I think because we're all born with that sin nature, like, yes, we're inherently
bad and so I don't think any of us are born like inherently good.
We have to learn how to do good because if you think about like babies and toddlers,
like you're always have to constantly teach them like, no, like don't do this.
Like they know how to do bad on their own, but they, but you have to teach them how to
do good.
And so that's, that's where I lie in the end of it.
Well, yeah, and that's why I think to double down on that, my example was going to be,
and I think that's why people who have a lack of an authority figure or a lack of somebody
who is telling them right or wrong, that's why they go so far astray and have to learn
those lessons further in their further on in their life or if they learn them at all.
I think that's why it's so imperative to have kids with both parents and things like that.
That's mainly because we've seen the results when there's not that.
And I think it's so much harder to, I mean, that's exactly what you're doing.
You're rearing these kids to make sure that they are going to be the best versions of
themselves, best citizens in life and everything else.
And I think that's a constant choice because if you let them just be free willy nilly right
from a kid standpoint, what are they going to do?
They're going to be mischievous.
They're going to push the lines, push the boundaries, and that's what they're going
to do as an adult too.
I mean, it just falls all the way down the line.
So I, no, I agree with you.
I think you're, you're born inherently bad and it's a conscious effort, not just from
your parents.
Your parents instill it in you, I feel like, be virtuous, full of character and want to
work on yourself.
But yeah, I agree.
Yeah, because, because you've all seen those like, oh man, this kid's like bad and their
parents don't do anything.
And it's like, you have to actively teach them how to be good.
And like, I agree with you, like kids need both parents.
And so sometimes that's not all the case.
And there are a lot of single mothers out there who are doing a phenomenal job.
They're doing a great job.
And it's hard to play the role of both parents, but there, there's something when a kid has
both parents and like, sometimes like in a healthy way, they need that father figure
that could come and like, check you bro.
It's like, when you get like, when you get, especially like, if you have boys, like the
boys like at a certain age, they start wanting to test authority.
Like it's like a young buck and an old buck.
And you got to have that old buck to like put that young buck in his place sometimes.
And so, I mean, it's, it's definitely for sure.
But yeah, it's easy to do.
We all know how to do bad.
Like that's easy for us, but it's teaching kids how to be good and make the right choices.
That's the hard part.
I think what's, what's hard for me and the reason that that question came up for myself
was inherently my human nature and what's in my mind is when I ask that question inherently,
I want to say, no, we're all born with, you know, good nature.
And it's life that beats us up and batters us to where we get to this point.
That's what I want to say.
But really and truly, once you start getting down to it, you know, I, there's pretty much
same answers and what we've been talking about is exactly what comes up too.
But it's just interesting how the first thought is, no, no, no, no, no, no, like we're, we're
born good.
It's life that takes it out on us.
And that's where we, you know, get beaten battered.
And that, I don't think that's the case, but it's, it's interesting how that's the first
thing that comes out, at least for me.
Not to ex, accentuate this conversation, but it's all good.
I like it.
But think about it.
We often sometimes think of that and what we start doing is we be like, oh yeah, like
I maybe got some bad stuff, but I'm not, we start thinking of the worst person we know,
right?
Like we start thinking of, oh yeah, well at least I'm not as bad as Jeffrey Dahmer or
at least I'm not as bad as that person with a heroin problem.
Like we start comparing our wrongs and stuff.
And again, like going back to the, it's like sin is sin.
So like however big or however small, like it's all equal to God.
It's all bad.
It's all wrong.
We're all just humans, we like to categorize different sins and be like, oh yeah, well
that person's a worse person.
And so we do want to think of ourselves as good, but I mean, but yeah, it's pretty cut
and clear of, of how that is.
And if we were all good, inherently good, I mean, we wouldn't need Jesus.
We wouldn't need a savior.
And so that's, that's where I fall with that.
Yeah, for sure.
For sure.
Last question I have, and this is kind of a, I don't know, it's kind of a thought provoking
question, but also a fun question.
If you were given a journal today that predicts perfectly, okay, it predicts to a T what your
next year would be like, like what 2025 is going to be like, would you want to read it
or not?
I'm going to say no.
And the reason being, and the only reason, and maybe you can, you know, make the stipulation
to where this is different.
But for me, I always feel like if you do know the future, our human nature is going to do
something to screw it up to where it's not going to happen the way that it's written
out, if that makes sense.
Now do I think that that's actually what would happen?
Yeah, but like, I don't know.
It's one of those things of like, if you're expecting something, do you get what I'm saying?
Like if you expect something and you read it out to a T, I'm worried that then I'll go,
okay, and then my behaviors will change.
And then all of a sudden the outcomes will change because of, like, for example, I'm
going to say, for instance, if it says, if it says, okay, January the 27th, you're going
to receive $5,000 for whatever reason, right?
Would my behavior change?
I'm not saying it would, but like, my worry would be like, my behavior would change to
be like, woohoo, I'm going to blow all this money right now knowing this five grand is
coming, which would then in turn screw up something that was good later on that year,
which would domino effect if that makes sense.
No, that 100% makes sense.
I don't think I would want to read it because what if 2025 is going to be a crappy year?
Like think about it.
It's like, yeah, it makes it perfectly.
But what if next year is going to be like a bad, like what if a lot of crappy stuff is
going to happen?
I don't want to know like that.
But I mean, I guess because you, because you look at the end of the year and it's like,
sometimes I'd rather just take it as it comes, like, and it's like this year it was like,
yeah, I'm glad that I just like was like, okay, I'm just taking this as it comes because
now looking back on it, if I would have known now at the beginning of the year, all this
stuff that 2024 would have, like there were a lot of good stuff in 2024, but there was
also a lot of surprises and things I did not expect.
And so you're kind of like, yeah, I would definitely want to know all of it at one time.
No.
And if I would have known a lot of what was going to happen in 2024, like I think it would
have been highly discouraging.
I think that's what it would have been for myself.
I think it would have been discouraging and go, okay, can we skip to next year?
You know, yeah, I don't think I'd want to look, man.
I don't think I'd want to look for sure.
Well, that's, that's my last question.
If you got any others, if you got more than one, that's totally cool.
But that's all the questions I got.
Yeah, I've just, I've just got a couple left here.
This next question, do you think that the pursuit of knowledge makes us wiser or do
you think it just creates more questions?
I think the pursuit of knowledge does make us wiser because I think in order for you
to become wise and for you to grow, you have to seek it out.
Like you got to seek out, okay, I want to know how to do this or I want to know these
things.
And then it, even if it does raise questions, like questions are a good thing.
Whoever says questions are a bad thing, but that's questions are how you grow it.
That's how you learn.
So I think the pursuit of knowledge is a good thing because then it does make you think
of things of like, oh, like I never thought about this.
So let me ask this question based upon this knowledge and that's just how you grow as
a human.
Yeah, for sure.
Now I'm going to throw one small wrench into it.
What happens when it starts developing questions that are unanswerable, at least at the moment,
or maybe you don't have anybody to ask the questions to, I guess maybe that's where it
becomes more frustrating.
And that's where the question kind of came up in my mind is, because I have been to some
points in life where there will be kind of a wall or roadblock because it's just created
more questions than answers.
And there's nobody to really, so maybe there's a situation you've gone through that nobody
that you know of has gone through it.
Now I'm sure there's somebody else in life who has gone through something similar, but
at least nobody in your realm that you know of has gone through that.
So you know, through every instance that you have, like you said, you beseech kind of maybe
a higher knowledge, maybe try to get a little wiser in the subject, how does this not happen
again, or how can I get myself out of this, or whatever the situation may be.
I feel like sometimes it gets to the point where you're like, I don't have anybody to
ask and maybe there's not a clear cut answer to this.
And do you find it out over time?
Yes, but I do feel like there are sometimes that the pursuit of knowledge in certain facets
just creates a bunch of questions and you go, well, maybe I'll never know.
I think there's sometimes where that happens as well.
For like me personally, I'm okay with just not knowing because I'm like, it's all going
to work out in the end.
But for some people, like they have to know and that's legit and that's real.
And so that does cause like tension where you're like, man, like, I wish I wouldn't even known
at the first point because now I have all these questions and you have that tension
and that angst so I can't see where that's like, that's a frustrating part.
And see that's somewhat, I wouldn't say that's how I am, but in some facets it is.
And it depends on how far down the rabbit hole you go.
I think the more frustrating is because I've been through quite a bit of things before
where you get all the way to a certain point where you feel like the whole thing's about
to unravel and you're about to find out the secrets of what all you've been going through
all this for and like it's going to give you all the knowledge and, you know, it has taught
you lessons, but you're like, okay, the big lesson is going to be revealed and you get
there and it's like, maybe there wasn't a big lesson to be revealed.
Maybe it was just a bunch of small lessons.
Maybe it was this here, maybe it was that there.
And then all of a sudden next thing you know, you're like questioning everything of like,
why, why did I even go through that in the first place?
If there's not going to be a big lesson to learn from it.
What did this, what was this supposed to be?
If this, you know what I mean?
And it goes through it, it just kind of depends.
But I think that's a lot where mine has come out is because I, in some situations I do
care if it's been something that I've struggled through and ground through, you know, sometimes
it's a grind.
You know, sometimes trying to find answers to things is a grind, you know, to make sure
it doesn't happen again or to make sure that if it does happen again, you know what's going
on.
Like it can be a grind to try to find those answers.
That's for sure.
Yeah, for sure, man.
Um, all right, man.
One last one here and we'll call her good.
Can failure truly be a stepping stone to success or is it just a means to get answers?
I think failure is 100% a stepping stone to success because, uh, it's not until you fail
that you realize things about yourself or things about the situation, because if you
have things handed to you and everything you do, you knock out of the park, then like,
I mean, honestly, failure humbles you.
And so like, you got to learn from that and make pivots and changes.
It's like, okay, like I learned this lesson from this failure.
So the next time when I do this, like I'm going to do it differently.
And then when you get bigger and better opportunities, you can lean on those past failures and be
like, well, I'm not going to make that mistake again.
And so that helps you in the long run.
I don't think it's just a means to an end.
I do think you have to have failures in order to be successful.
Like you look at all the greatest people and I know this is a cliche, but you look at all
the greatest people.
You've had so many failures in their life, but we oftentimes talk about their successes
more than their failures.
Like Walt Disney went bankrupt.
And so, I mean, you got to look at your failures in order to be successful for sure.
Now, if you're failing and failing and failing and you're not learning from those, then you're
just not too bright.
Now, and the reason I ask this is because I read an article a couple of weeks back and
there are some people that feel that basically failure can be a stepping stone to success,
but the answers that you get from the failures and solving the failures and making them into
a positive that the failure and the solution are independent of each other.
That's what they believe and that there's a whole school of thought out there that if
that makes sense that basically those two things are independent.
The failure and the solution.
So whatever solution you have and whatever answers you find, even though the failure was
the first part, the answer that you found from the failure is the stepping stone, not
the failure itself.
If that makes sense.
And I can see where that thought is valid.
Like I can see that and I can agree with that to some point.
I think that's, I feel like that's like a very scientific approach or like a very like
methodical way of looking at it.
And I don't think it's wrong.
I think that point is valid for sure.
But I think it's just two different ways of looking at it.
Right.
And that's really all that it is.
Do you look at it from this angle or do you look at it from this angle?
I think it's really and truly it's six to one half a dozen to the other.
If you're making progress, you're making progress, I feel like.
But it's one of those things of it's kind of an interesting school of thought that,
you know, some people were thinking about that.
So just want to get your thoughts on that.
But yeah, man, that was the last question that I had, but I always enjoyed these free
flow sessions.
I always like a lot of the questions.
A lot of a lot of them really thought provoking.
There are some man that always make me think of like, oh man, what am I going to answer
on the fly?
Yeah.
And I enjoy those questions for sure.
Because it's like, it makes you really think it's like, huh, like, what do I really think
about this?
Or wow, like I never thought of this like before, like your question about time.
I was kind of like, huh, like I bet like in the Garden of Eden, they didn't have like
time or anything.
It's just interesting things to think about where you're just kind of like, huh, that's
a great thought.
Yeah, for sure.
And a lot of these things, like I said, a lot of these things, at least on my end, these
will be things that I just randomly think about at work or on my drive sometimes.
And it's just like, you know, sometimes I'll just mark them down and that's what it comes
in real handy when it comes to these free flow episodes.
Have questions to ask.
But yeah, we'll go ahead and plug the stuff over at the trash can network at the trash
can network over on YouTube, on Facebook, Instagram, and then over at the A We Are Society,
over at the over at the Instagram, you can call it the Instagram if you want it to.
But over on Instagram, if you like all the plain stuff, all the plain lover stuff, dude,
we've had quite the number of av nerds av geeks over there, not just on our trash can
network page, but over on the A We Are Society, been checking it out.
I've been even having some military stuff on there here lately.
So been been having some kind of up close impersonal things go on there.
So check it out.
I even had a C5 fly over my head in a semi illegal spot that I parked my car at to film
it.
So, so yeah, support my illegal parking job by going to watching that video.
I'm just kidding.
Do you want to tell them what's coming up for season four?
Do you want that just to be a surprise?
Well, if you want, we can, I thought we were going to, we can do it next episode here.
We can give it a sneaky reveal.
We'll make them wait one more week here.
Awesome.
It's been so great getting to be with you guys.
Thank you for listening and I'm so excited for what's coming up in season four.
This brings season three to a close and what better way to end season three than with the
starship?
I'm Chris and I'm Michael and this has been the Dona Bacchina Test.
Hello, everyone.
My name is Canzel and Irang, the newly developed
braeria brand.
My hand, baby, don't ever look back
Let the wound around us just fall apart
Baby, we can make it if we're hard to hold