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Now, Micah, I have to go on the Donut Box podcast and I have to confess something.

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Oh gosh, what do we confess?

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I don't know if we should be doing confessions on here.

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What's going on?

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I know and you can make all the jokes.

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You can do whatever.

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I'm ready for the roasting, but I got to confess something.

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What are you about to tell me right now?

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What are you about to tell me and the listeners of the Donut Box podcast?

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What are you about to tell us?

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I have to confess that I am really excited for the new Wicked movie that's going to come

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out.

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I know you're going to say stuff, but I'm excited for it, dude.

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I keep seeing the trailers for it and that's like one movie this year.

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I was excited that they were going to make and I'm really excited to go see it at theaters.

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Are you telling me you're excited to go see a musical at a theater?

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Yes, I'm excited, man.

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I've been waiting for them to make a movie out of this musical.

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It's great.

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It's a good musical.

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Have you ever seen it?

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Yeah, I've seen it.

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That's one of those things though.

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They've been playing it up so much in these commercials.

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I'm hoping that it's actually going to be good because like sometimes when they be playing

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it up so much, it's kind of mediocre, but I hope it's actually decent.

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Are you going to go see Gladiator 2?

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Are you going to wait for that to come out like on streaming service?

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I'll just wait on streaming.

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So that's the best part.

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You could wait on streaming services now for the most part, but I'll probably wait on that

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for it looks Gladiator looks pretty good.

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I still don't see Beetlejuice.

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My wife's seen it without me, but I still didn't see that.

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I will go see both in the movie theater and then I'll tell you if it's worth giving it

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a watch.

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Your old buddy Chris will get out into the hustle and bustle of the crowds for you.

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Yeah, I appreciate that.

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Let me know if it's even worth it.

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If not, I'll just, I'll wait for it and won't ever watch it.

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Well, I'm Chris and I'm Micah and this is the Donut Box Podcast.

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Micah, we are at the end of season three.

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My man, this is the last episode of season three.

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How are you feeling?

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Feel a little weird, man.

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This is really, really odd because we're, I mean, it's hard to believe we've been so

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consistent every week now for all of, I mean, it's crazy that we're to this point.

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It's hard to believe if you would have told me at this point, we would have had a podcast

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going this long.

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I probably would have believed you, but it's quite the feat, man.

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It's quite the feat, but we got big things coming too.

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I'm excited for the future of this thing.

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It's about to really start popping off, I think.

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Interestingly enough, I watched the house party video today and just watching like just

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the interactions and like, oh, the secondhand embarrassment that I felt for everyone that

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was watching it and the embarrassment that I felt watching it.

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And then to fast forward now and be like, oh, man, like I'm so glad that we have kind

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of matured and not figured it out, but we definitely, I feel like our game has glowed

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up since then.

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Are you telling me that, well, we'll save all that, but yeah, no, I'm thankful that

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we have gotten a little better at our game here.

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And we have to be doing something right because we've got some people consistently listening

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to us and we've really appreciate that.

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It's just amazing that we're all the way to this point, man.

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It's just wild.

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Today we have our free flow episode and today we're going to kick it back with asking each

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other thought provoking questions.

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I've got some fun questions.

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I think it's going to be a great mashup for sure.

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So with that, let's get started.

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Micah, do you have like a pressing question that you just want to ask?

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Man, all the questions that I wrote out this week were kind of like deep questions.

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So like they're definitely thought provoking, at least in my mind, but I don't have necessarily

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a burning one, but I can just start if you want.

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One of my first questions that I wrote, Dan, is happiness a choice or is it a result of

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Like do you think that happiness is a choice or do you think that it's all based on circumstance

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Like you dictate your own happiness.

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So I think happiness is a result of circumstances, but I think joy and contentment is a choice.

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So like you, I think you can choose to be happy, but I don't think happy is the right

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I think being joyful and content because being joyful and content, that doesn't necessarily

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mean that like everything's going right.

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But I think happiness is a feeling that kind of changes with the wind, right?

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You can still be joyful and sad at the same time.

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Does that make sense?

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Like, oh yeah, I'm happy.

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I'm going to get this next opportunity, but I'm sad about the people I'm leaving behind.

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So does that kind of answer your question?

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I know that was kind of like not a clear, direct answer, but does that kind of answer

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your question or what do you think about that?

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I definitely, I agree with you and a lot of facets with that.

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I completely understand what you're talking about.

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And happiness is a fleeting thing for a long time.

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You would think logically chasing happiness is what you want to do, right?

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Everybody wants to be happy, you'd think.

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But Chris is right.

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I've learned over time as well that if you chase happiness, your life will be a roller

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coaster.

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Sometimes you could be happy, but a lot of times going back to circumstance, circumstance

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can happen and all of a sudden you're unhappy because of things that are out of your control.

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So no, I completely, I completely agreed.

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I think that happiness is, you know, it's a result of circumstance, but I really think

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that it really, like joy and even like practicing thankfulness plays into it as well.

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Of course, we're going into the season of Thanksgiving, some of my favorite times, but

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I feel like that's a choice, right?

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You have the choice to be thankful on things as well.

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And so I think there's some delineation there, but no, I think you're absolutely right.

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Cool deal.

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I agree with all of that.

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And I'll pick for this first like softball question.

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It'll be kind of a fun, lighthearted question.

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But if you were a ghost and again, however you believe about ghost hunting, but if you

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were a ghost and you could haunt any place, like where would you choose to haunt?

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My behind is like, let's, let's haunt an airport or let's haunt a stadium of some sort.

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Like, I don't know.

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That way you can have free sporting events.

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I mean, stadium would kind of not be fun because you have your down periods.

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Airport's a little bit more active, I guess, to see all the different planes and whatnot.

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Does that mean you can get on whatever planes you want, like fly and like come back technically?

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If you're a ghost hanging out in an airport, I would, I would think so.

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officers solve crimes?

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I think your combination.

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a little bit spooked, then yeah, I think I would do that.

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a ghost or a spirit in a place is if you're hanging around and like you see somebody's

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in trouble or like something's happening or like you're trying to communicate to them

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of like, Hey, don't do that because you're going to get whacked or something.

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You know what I mean?

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And like they can't hear you or see you.

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I think that'd be really, really frustrating.

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I don't know.

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I feel like a lot of times it's think we'll be able to hear you or see you, let you knock

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a broom over or some crap.

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Yeah, I think I would be like mischievous.

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I would hope that in this ghost world that I would get to be in the same place as my

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buddy Micah and we could just cause mischief together and I think I would like to help

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like police officers solve crimes like that would be really cool because I know like I

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think that would just be really cool for sure.

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But I would hope that I get to be with my buddy Micah and if that's the case, then we're

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just causing mischief.

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You just want to play cop as a ghost.

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You're to be the ghost cop detective or whatever over here.

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So my next question is, does time really exist or is it just a human construct?

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I know we've I'm sure you've heard people talk about that before, but how do you feel

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Do you think that time is a real thing or do you think that it is just something that

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That's kind of hard because like I know that like when you talk about God, like the concept

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of time is way different, but I do think time is a real thing because think about it like

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maybe this is because like we live in a fallen world, but things age, right?

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So things age, but maybe like in the Garden of Eden, maybe things didn't age at all.

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So maybe there was no time like maybe, you know, like before sin came into the world,

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like there was no time, but I think time is definitely a way for us to track things.

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a lot of like chaos.

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But at the same time, I'm also thinking like think about the time cycles of like the moon

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and the sun and the stars.

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Like if you think about that, like because the moon pulls the tide in, right?

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Depending on what time of year it is.

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Does that make sense?

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I think that time is completely a man made thing.

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time humans discovered, okay, we need some sort of form of organization.

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I'm sure they got upset with, because you know, people have had jobs for, I don't know

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how long, like yes, it went from subsistence farming, you know, just kind of getting the

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food for yourself or the food for your family.

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cities, groups of people, I think that it became, you know, what comes inherently after

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that things like jobs and other, you know, functions and things like that.

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I think that there became, there was a need that happened of just like any other organization

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of like, hey, we need some sort of construct of time.

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with the stars and astrology and everything like that.

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okay, all this, don't come your eye.

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I mean, you know, we don't, we in this age, I don't feel like go out and look at the stars

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nearly as much as we should, because it really is beautiful.

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And I can, I can understand why, you know, astrology was so big, but I think that going

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out and looking at astrology and looking at the patterns that happened, and then looking

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at correlations, you know, say that you lived in a coastal environment and you saw what

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the moon was doing over time.

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And a lot of these people would journal, you know, a lot of these scientists and different

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things, they would journal these things, the moon's phases.

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And then you discover, okay, there's a cycle, right?

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There's a cycle here.

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There's a cycle there.

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even heard of like the mine calendar and all sorts of stuff.

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I think that there was a bunch of different calendars and different timekeeping pieces.

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and to the sun's movements and to the moon's movements.

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And we just finally got to this point.

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Basically, it's just evolution and play.

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We just organized it completely.

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That's my thought on it.

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Well, that explanation is what makes me think like before sin came into the world that there

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was no time, right?

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There was no social...

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Because it wasn't needed, right?

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Because you think about seasons, right?

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The only reason why you need seasons is to know when to plant and know when to harvest.

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They didn't have to harvest because like things just popped up naturally for them.

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for them to help, I guess, have jobs and stuff.

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But like you think probably in the Garden of Eden, they didn't really need time.

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They didn't have cares.

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They didn't have worries.

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They wouldn't need time to even track the cycles of the moon so that they could do their

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jobs.

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They would just probably know, hey, like don't go here because the tide's going to be high

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at this time or not this time, but like, hey, the tide's just high.

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So we're not going to...

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I don't know.

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But that explanation you gave and that's a very thought-provoking question because in

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the Bible it says like a thousand days is like a day to the Lord and a day is like a

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thousand days.

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So like there is no time construct.

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So maybe in heaven, I don't think we're going to have time at all.

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And that's something, you know, it's kind of interesting going a little step further

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to that.

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That was the one thing as a kid and, you know, going to some of our other episodes talking

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about the upbringing that we had and some of the more religious and kind of the more...

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some of the ideologies that we had.

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I didn't understand, okay, going to heaven forever and not having a time construct.

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It's like, okay, does that...

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I remember as a kid asking my grandfather being like, so does that mean like a thousand

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years or does that mean it's like, no, no, no, that's like forever, like infinity.

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Like there is no stop to it.

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And it's like my mind couldn't understand that and still has a hard time understanding

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that of like there is no stop, like there is no end.

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Like that doesn't...

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So I don't know.

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Yeah, because with time, time signifies that there's an end to things, if that makes sense.

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Exactly.

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So I think that it's just our... at least in my human finite mind, it's hard to grasp,

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okay, there is an eternity and a forever and there's not a, okay, yeah, it might be like

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this for a little bit, but there's going to be an end to it, you know, it's kind of interesting.

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Now, that's a good question.

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That's a real thought-provoking question and it does facilitate or spark like that thought

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of, oh, is it really?

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Like, I don't know, but I'm leaning more towards with you, like, yeah, I think it is a man-made

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construct to help keep things in order and in place for sure.

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But I definitely think what you're saying as well about, you know, before the Garden

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of Eden, what happened, it not being needed, I agree.

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And I think there's probably a lot of other things like the seasons and like the other

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things that you were talking about that came into play after what happened at the Garden

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of Eden happened.

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I agree with you there too.

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For sure.

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The next question is, who is someone either now or maybe in your past that like has modeled

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just a good example of being a generous, kind person and like you were like, man, like,

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I kind of want to be that person either when I grow up or you say, hey, like, I want to

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aspire to be this person.

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I'll tell you this, the first person that comes to mind, and I know you probably looked

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up to him for a while too.

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I'm not going to hide his name.

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He's Jamie Flippo.

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Like he was in to say who he was.

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One, he's my Godfather.

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But two, he was always extremely generous.

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And at least to me, my, you know, what happened with me just a side story, him and his wife,

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when Chris and I were going to move to Texas, they actually offered to have me move in with

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them for my last year of high school, it's like, okay, in case you don't want to leave

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your friends and leave this, you know, your school and whatnot, you can stay out here

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until you graduate, which I mean, that's no small thing, especially, I mean, I ate a lot.

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So that that food bill would have went through the roof.

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I don't think they even knew.

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But but I don't know that I always stood out to me one and not just that, but Jamie was,

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he was a police officer one.

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And he was one of the only police officers that like, I hate to say this, but a lot of

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times police officers like you know, you should trust them, but there's always that like,

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and I don't know if I really fully trust you, like, because there's always that thing.

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He's the only one that I'm like, man, I know him on a personal level.

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And I know like, he do he does the right thing, you know what I mean?

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I know as a police officer, he did the right thing, and I know, you know, he's one of those

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guys you could just really ultimately trust.

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And I know that I could call him for anything, probably, and, you know, it'd be it'd be cool

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and haven't talked to him in a while.

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But it's one of those things like a problem call him up and, you know, he'll help me work

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through some stuff.

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So I don't know for me, I always looked up to that guy.

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In fact, I know when you kind of did the Explorer program stuff like that.

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And I mean, there was a point in time where I thought about being a cop just because of

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like what you were doing and like what Jamie was doing.

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So like, I don't know that that was that's my answer for that.

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Yeah, they were they were definitely very generous and and you're right on that.

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Like he's one of those people that you always knew he would just do the right thing.

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And then I don't know if you knew this, but when my dad had cancer the first time, like

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they let me stay at their house while my dad was having surgery and they like took me to

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school.

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They picked me up from school a few times.

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It took me to my grandfather's house, like which my grandfather lived like down the street

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from them.

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But like they were just very generous and the fact that they let me stay with them during

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that time like just meant a lot to me for sure.

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And I'd say probably another person for me was Tony, like just being a genuine person.

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Like he I mean, he cared basically like if it wasn't for him, I probably would have stopped

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going to church a long time ago when I was in middle school.

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But I just always felt like he was the one person that genuinely cared about who I was.

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And you know, we told this story too.

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But before we left for Texas, he showed up at like 530 a.m. in the morning at the gas

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station to see us off.

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Like he didn't have to get up that early.

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He was like, hey, like what time are y'all leaving?

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And I was like 530 and he was like, OK, well, I'll be there.

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And he like saw us off.

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And so that was someone that like spoke to me as just being a like a genuine human being

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and like loving God and admitting like, hey, I don't have this all together.

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I'm still trying to figure this out too.

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I remember he had two gift cards for us too for like tractor supply.

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I think it was what it was for.

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And it was just like, dang, bro.

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Yeah, he was always extremely generous.

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And you know, he's the one that, you know, a lot of times when you say the word generous,

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you think about money like you think about money or you think about giving somebody

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something else.

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Tony was really big about giving of his time.

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Like I don't know where he got the time, especially, you know, we were in his small group.

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And you know, he had a he had a job.

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He ended up being our youth pastor at one point.

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But before that, he had a job.

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I mean, he had a job during the week and not just that, but he really loved to hunt.

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So he made time during hunting season.

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But at the same time, like I remember him coming to like he came to one of my football

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games one time.

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And I think didn't he come to he didn't go to one of your baseball games?

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Did he?

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I think he like he showed up to something or he showed up to like an orchestra concert

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or something like, I don't know, he showed up.

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It really showed me as a kid because most of the time, I don't know, it was like, yeah,

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you'd have certain people show up in your life, but you wouldn't have like typically

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the guy from church who's like your your small group leader doesn't care enough typically

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for being real.

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It's not like they don't care enough, but it's like typically they don't have enough

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time and it's just like they don't have that in depth relationship of like basically like

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as a mentor, you know, and I don't know.

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Tony was also was really good about being generous with his time for sure.

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Yeah.

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And I don't know if you know this, but when he first started his small group, he was just

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brand new married.

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Like he was a brand new like married person and he opened up his home.

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It wasn't a big place, but he led 14 middle school kids like have small group at his

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house and like deal with us jumping on the furniture, deal with us being idiots.

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And so like I'm very thankful for him.

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All right.

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So my next question here.

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So this is also another one that I've heard a lot of people talk about and I think I know

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your answer on this, but it's more of the why and we'll kind of get into it.

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Are we architects of our own life or are we merely just following a predetermined path?

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Like do you think there is predestiny and basically everything is already set and determined

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like God already knew how to all plays out.

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And so the plan's already there.

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He do the decisions you're going to make.

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It's all predetermined.

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Or do you think that it's malleable and where the masters of our own domain?

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I think it kind of goes sometimes we think either it's God has every like it's all predestined

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or it's only free will and I'm like it's not either or it's both and does that make sense?

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So like God gives us free will and we can choose that path.

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But like ultimately like, you know, I think if the Lord really wants a plan for you, like

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he's going to get you there one way or the other.

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I don't think it's all predetermined or predestined at all.

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I do think free will plays into that a lot because I mean, God gave us free will.

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So it's up to us to know now, like I do think he's going to get your attention for you to

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like for you to like, you know, go on his path.

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But like I think of it like this, right?

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Like you put in the GPS like, yeah, I know where I'm going, but maybe you take a wrong

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turn and now you got to go two hours out of the way.

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Like God is always rerouting you to the final destination.

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I feel like even if you take those wrong turns, it may take you longer to get there.

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But I think it's a lot like, hey, like you get to choose this or not, or you could choose

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to just stop and not do anything, right?

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So I think a lot of it is free will because God, that's what God gives us.

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So I get you.

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So and I think another way of saying this too is would you say that maybe some things

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are predetermined, right?

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Like there were some things that already controlled the parents that you were born into the situation

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that you were born into the location you were born at, right?

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Or even some of the things that happened during the times that you're alive and some of those

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uncontrollable things.

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But the things that are within your room of control or how do you react to those things

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or how you take the negatives and the positives and either sow those seeds, reap those, you

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know, the benefits later or, you know, however you handle it pretty much, right?

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That's pretty much what you're saying.

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So there's some that's predetermined that's just out of your control and there's some

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of it that is like, okay, with the situation that you're given, how are you going to handle

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this?

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Yeah.

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And I don't know what it is because you look at like some people in the Bible, like, and

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some people it's like, yeah, like God has a plan for everybody.

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But there I feel like sometimes there's certain people is like, no, like no matter how many

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times you try to run from it, like, like God's going to get you to where he wants to get

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you sometime.

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Jonah being a big example of that with getting stuck in the whale.

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But I think that I think where a lot of people get hung up with the whole predetermined path

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or predestiny, right, is the thought of God being all knowing and all omnipotent and knowing

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what's already going to happen, right?

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And having that plan, you would sit here and think, well, he's no he knows that I'm going

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to make this decision or I'm not going to follow him and say no to doing this, or I'm

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not going to listen to what he says.

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And so he knows I'm going to get off the path here.

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He knows I'm going to stay on the path here, right?

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And so it's all predetermined because since he knows that already, then all the actions

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and everything are lined out in place because he knows the timings of everything.

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I think that's where a lot of people gets hung gets hung up on that.

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I think it goes back to that conversation about time.

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Timing.

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Yeah.

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Because we think God just thinks linear.

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No.

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I don't know if you've seen it, but in the Avengers Endgame, Dr. Strange is looking and

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it's like, I've looked at it and I've looked into the future.

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And there are 678 possibilities of how this situation is going to turn out.

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But there's only one where we win.

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And it's like, oh, OK.

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So I don't know.

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God knows all the dips and turns that people are going to make, whether they do something

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here or not do something.

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But he knows how it's all going to turn out in the end.

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And we think that God thinks just linear and a linear space and in a time, strictly space,

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but God's so much bigger than that.

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So it's like, I don't know, it's a hard concept to wrap your brain around.

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The fact that you have free will, but God also knows how your life is all going to turn

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out anyway.

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So it's kind of a hard construct to think about.

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Yeah, it's really hard.

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But that's why I asked it is because these are the things that sometimes you sit there

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and think to yourself and go, oh, man, you have a weird answer, but at the same time,

456
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,480
it's kind of a dawn answer, if that makes sense.

457
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,960
Because it's like, yeah, I have an answer for it, but it's kind of a weird void and

458
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,960
a gray area that you're not 100% about.

459
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,280
Cool, though, I have another question.

460
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:32,280
If you had a secret room in your house, you ever seen those big houses where you find

461
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,880
secret passageways to other rooms and hidden rooms?

462
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,880
I don't know what it is.

463
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,240
I love things like that, where you're just like, I didn't know this was another room.

464
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,160
I don't know if I'm the only one.

465
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,160
Are you that way?

466
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,160
Do you like that?

467
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,160
Oh, yeah.

468
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,160
No, for sure.

469
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:52,280
I've always wanted to have, call it cartoony or whatever, but have the library room with

470
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,600
the bookshelf that like, moves and has the secret room behind it or whatever.

471
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,560
Yeah, so if you had one of those in your house, what would be inside it and why?

472
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,960
Oh, arcade, 100%.

473
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,200
Hidden arcade.

474
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,240
I don't know, just a hangout spot with some chairs and arcade.

475
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,240
I don't know, I've always wanted to have hidden arcade.

476
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,240
That's just the thing.

477
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,760
Yeah, I do too, because if you have kids, they're like, oh, I want to be in there all

478
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:20,760
the time.

479
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,360
I want to be in the secret room.

480
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:23,760
Okay, me and my butt.

481
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,440
Hey, we're going to come hang out here when the party's getting a little like, there's

482
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,760
too many people in here.

483
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,320
And you know how it is, man?

484
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:36,120
It's like, if we be hanging out and say we live closer, right?

485
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:40,280
And maybe our wives are a little agitated that day.

486
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:46,880
So it's like, I'm going to hang out with my old buddy and we go into our arcade, our

487
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,880
public arcade and you know, handles broken or something like that.

488
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,600
You know how kids are, they'll break something.

489
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:02,600
And especially what happened, I mean, come on, if you remember the door handle instant

490
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,240
that we've talked about before where I let Chris take the fall for doing the door handle.

491
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,200
If we both, you know, have kids and they're friends with each other and something like

492
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,680
that happens and we go in there and it's one of our arcade machines, I'm going to lose

493
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,680
my crap.

494
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,200
I'll just let you know.

495
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,640
I'm going to lose it.

496
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,960
So it's like, it's just better to have it like, ain't nobody know where it is.

497
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,720
That way you can have big buck hunter.

498
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,520
You can have the NFL Blitz.

499
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,040
You can have, I mean, whatever you want, little basketball games, all that good jazz.

500
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,040
For sure.

501
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,040
How about you though?

502
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,040
I think yes.

503
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:41,680
I think yes to the arcade and then maybe it would lead to like a secret indoor basketball

504
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:42,680
court.

505
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,480
Maybe not full court, but have like, I've always wanted like my own like private basketball

506
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,480
court.

507
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,520
It doesn't have to be big.

508
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,840
It doesn't have to be big, but it's just like somewhere where it's like, oh yeah, like,

509
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,040
ain't nobody else playing.

510
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,040
Yeah.

511
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,520
So I'm going to, maybe this is weird of me, but I'm going to go in on why I don't like

512
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,360
public court spaces.

513
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:10,840
Like even if it's one, everybody be trying to like play a game and be like, oh, they

514
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:11,840
want you to be on a team.

515
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,240
Now you're playing against a bunch of, like with a bunch of Randos, which is to me, I

516
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,400
don't find that fun.

517
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,760
Like I don't, I don't find that very fun.

518
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:25,560
And then two, it's like you got people who are like obnoxious and in your way or like,

519
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,880
you know, hogging the basketball or like whatever.

520
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,560
I just don't like that stuff.

521
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,800
I just like shooting hoops and not being around people.

522
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,880
I don't know.

523
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,720
So I definitely understand a hidden basketball court for sure.

524
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,080
I'm down with that campaign for sure.

525
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,680
All right.

526
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:51,560
So my next question, should we, and this is a very controversial one, should we have the

527
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:57,320
ability to design humans or animals through genetic engineering and the same thing with

528
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,320
cloning?

529
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,840
Do you think that that is something that we, you know, we've already experimented to quite

530
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:03,840
a bit.

531
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:10,440
I even read an article the other day where they mutated a mosquitoes genes to where

532
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:18,800
it made their snoot poker, whatever you call it, you know, their nose where they suck people's

533
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,320
blood made it unable to pierce human skin.

534
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,280
So like they, they can get to animals, but they can't get to us pretty much, but they

535
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,440
genetically mutated that.

536
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,720
Do you find that right?

537
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,280
Or do you think that that, because I mean, it happens all the time.

538
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,920
We genetically modify food, all sorts of stuff.

539
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,400
But I think when it comes to like cloning and things, that's where it gets a little bit

540
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,360
more controversial with people.

541
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,360
What do you think?

542
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:53,280
Yeah, I, I, I'm not a proponent of it just because again, and I hate to make this like

543
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,680
religious podcast, but it's just part of who I am.

544
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,920
I just feel like you're starting to play God at that point.

545
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,920
And I think when you get to that point, there are no, I don't think there are checks and

546
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:10,040
balances at all, and it, it puts power into too many people's hands.

547
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:15,160
And I feel like in the wrong hands, that power can be used like for, because it's like, what

548
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:22,160
if I want to create this super like spider monkey that can, and that can defeat Russia

549
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,160
or something?

550
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,160
I don't know.

551
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,080
Like, I just feel like that's like, like God be God.

552
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,960
And that, that just puts the creation too much into our hands when you're creating, like

553
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,960
it's one thing where you're talking about animals, but when you're creating a whole

554
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,680
another life, like, you know, like, and I know that like humans create life all the time

555
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:41,680
by procreating.

556
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,480
And I think that's like God gave us that and that's natural.

557
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,800
And I'm not talking about like IBF or anything like that.

558
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,880
That's not what I'm talking about.

559
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,120
But when you're like trying to create a human and like you're like, yeah, I'm going to be

560
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,240
the one to pick what color eyes they have.

561
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,160
I'm going to be the one to pick this and that.

562
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,920
It's like, dude, like, no, that's not, like, that's not okay.

563
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:02,920
I, I don't know.

564
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,720
I just feel strongly about that.

565
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,720
I don't know.

566
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:12,920
I think what's hard is, you know, going back to a lot of our food, vegetables, things like

567
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:19,920
that, even, you know, a lot of the crops and, you know, even cattle, sheep, that sort of

568
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:26,360
thing, our chickens are modified to where they're, they can get bigger.

569
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:32,120
They have more meat on them to, you know, supply more food and things like that.

570
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,920
Naturally, that's for our benefit.

571
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:41,840
But I also wonder, I mean, we all know, and we've heard about preservatives and how bad

572
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,920
some preservatives can be and things like that in food.

573
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,760
My question is you do these sort of things and then say that it's food or we're using

574
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:56,480
these, you know, animals as tools or even, you know, cloning certain things, doing scientific

575
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:57,480
experiments.

576
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,120
What, because it's not natural, right?

577
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,360
Because we're modifying these things, what are these side effects that come out of it?

578
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,000
Oh, I'll tell you.

579
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,480
I think it's, I think that's the reason why we've seen an addition to technology.

580
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,160
That's why we've seen cancer spike up.

581
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,120
Well, that's what, that's exactly what I was going to say.

582
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:21,160
I think that's why we have a lot of cancer rates and I think that's, it's because of,

583
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:26,840
I think a lot of what we've gone to, really in any industry, right?

584
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:34,120
You think about food too, they add these genetically modified hormones and what ends

585
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,400
up happening is it's like, yes, we can pump the food out faster.

586
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,560
Is it good for you?

587
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,160
No, but we can get food to you, right?

588
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,720
People don't care about if it's good for you or not, especially in the United States here.

589
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:46,720
They don't care.

590
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:51,360
It's like, as long as they can get food to people, that's the whole point.

591
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,720
And so, you know, you do have people who shop conscious and healthy and organic.

592
00:34:56,720 --> 00:35:01,480
And I even think that, you know, the whole organic thing, I think there is a whole other

593
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,160
end of the spectrum to where organic is bad for you too.

594
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:10,000
I'm not saying that it's like all bad for you, but I'm saying like you can go so far

595
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,240
to the other extreme to where it's not, but you know, highly processed, highly modified

596
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:16,240
foods.

597
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,960
I think that's a lot of where our problems are.

598
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:25,160
Obesity rates, period, you know, a lot of stuff, diabetes rates, cancer rates, I think

599
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,600
that's where a lot of it is.

600
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,480
It's just because we have a lot of good food that gets pumped out to us, but you know,

601
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,480
it's just so heavily modified.

602
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,480
For sure.

603
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,480
Yeah.

604
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,480
So it's, I mean, it's a tricky subject again, but.

605
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,360
We get controversial on the donut box, but no, I'm joking.

606
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaking of controversial, what's a conspiracy theory that you would invent if you had to

607
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,200
come up with one that would actually be believable?

608
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,200
Oh man.

609
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,360
So like if I had to just like throw one out there.

610
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,360
Yeah.

611
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,280
That's like, oh yeah, or come up with one that's not, it's not like one that's already been

612
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,280
made.

613
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,840
You would just come up with it on your own.

614
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,880
Not like a main, not like a mainstream one.

615
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:04,880
Yeah.

616
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:05,880
Not a mainstream one.

617
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:11,400
The only one that comes to my mind is like in this, no, but I've already heard of that

618
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,400
one though.

619
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:19,640
Like there's like some uncommon ones that I've like latched onto that are like, unbelievable,

620
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,400
like unbelievably fake, but I'll just, I'll just say one of them.

621
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:32,840
Like the one about the, the scientists that bored a hole into their ice in Russia and

622
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,160
got so far down and lowered a microphone that they could hear hell.

623
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,280
They could hear the screens of hell.

624
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,280
Yeah.

625
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,280
Have you heard that one?

626
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,720
Oh, are you, you know what mine would be?

627
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,960
And I've said this to some people and they kind of look at me and be like, you know what?

628
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,800
I would believe that.

629
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:56,120
The fact that in the song Billie Jean, that Michael Jackson is talking about Bruno Mars,

630
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,440
that Bruno Mars was the kid.

631
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,400
Either Bruno Mars or the weekend was the kid that was Michael's quote unquote illegitimate

632
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,320
son and that he's singing about that kid.

633
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,320
Son.

634
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,320
But it's not really.

635
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,440
Think about it, the weekend and Bruno Mars, like they singing like Michael, they look

636
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,600
like Michael a little bit like they got the moves.

637
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,600
They kind of look like a myth.

638
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,040
Like what if that is his illegitimate son and he's singing about that and Billie Jean.

639
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,560
And I've told people down there like, dude, they've been like, I would believe that.

640
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,200
Like that sounds very believable.

641
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,200
And I'm like, yep.

642
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,360
See, I'm like, you know, I would say, you know who that is?

643
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,360
I said, blanket.

644
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,840
Blank is Bruno Mars.

645
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:35,840
Yeah.

646
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,840
Right.

647
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,640
Yeah, I can see it.

648
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,920
And pillow's the weekend.

649
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,400
It's like, I thought pillow was the girl.

650
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,200
It's like, no, it was the weekend.

651
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,200
No.

652
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,800
No, that's that's good.

653
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,760
No, I haven't thought about that either.

654
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:52,760
But I could definitely.

655
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,840
So like the weekend I can kind of see, but like Bruno Mars, definitely I could definitely

656
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,840
see that.

657
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,840
Like he does look like Michael.

658
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:00,840
Oh yeah.

659
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,880
You'd be like, yeah, that's the kid you was singing about Billie Jean.

660
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:03,880
Yeah.

661
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:04,880
Yeah.

662
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:05,880
That's the one that Michael had that over the balcony.

663
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:06,880
Yep.

664
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:07,880
That was it.

665
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:08,880
That was it.

666
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,880
Yeah.

667
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,440
What he's all like, the kid is not my son.

668
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:18,760
And I'm like, I looked it up and I was like, Bruno Mars is just slightly like the timelines

669
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,600
slightly line up, but not all the way.

670
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:22,960
So there is some doubt.

671
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,960
It's like, oh yeah.

672
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:29,120
Like, I think Bruno Mars could be that son he was talking about from Billie Jean.

673
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,440
Could be the one, huh?

674
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,440
That's great.

675
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,000
That is, that is a good one.

676
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,000
That is a good one.

677
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,840
All right, man.

678
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,240
My next question.

679
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:43,240
Now this, I wouldn't say this is controversial, maybe to the art lovers out there, but would

680
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:48,640
you say that art is essential for human progress or is it just a luxury piece for the rich

681
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:49,640
and famous?

682
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,360
Now, when you say art, do you mean music or do you mean like just traditional art?

683
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,080
I'm talking more traditional art.

684
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,760
So music is separate.

685
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,400
I'm talking more traditional.

686
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,120
Like paintings and stuff.

687
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,120
Yes.

688
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,120
Yes.

689
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,120
I honestly would say that's a luxury.

690
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:13,120
I think music and I think theater are important, right?

691
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,440
Because they're telling human stories and helping the human development and music is

692
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,400
definitely you need music to progress for society to progress.

693
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,240
Like music is kind of a fundamental thing of society.

694
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:29,600
But as far as like traditional art goes, and I'm going to maybe make some people mad, but

695
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,200
to be honest, like I don't think we need it today.

696
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,680
Like we have so many different forms, like a traditional art, but I mean some people

697
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,200
would say, well, tattoos are art.

698
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,600
And I'm like, yeah, but like I don't really need a tattoo.

699
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,120
It's just something I like to express my body on my body.

700
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,360
But see, to that point, I feel like you can call a lot of things art.

701
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,520
I've heard food be called art.

702
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,760
You know, they've done some sort of, some sort of visually appealing thing to addition.

703
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,640
It's like, wow, this is just an art form of what it is, right?

704
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:02,960
You can call a lot of things art.

705
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:09,600
I think for me, traditional art, I think is just in that word traditional.

706
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:19,720
I think that it did serve a purpose in the progression of things at one point, historically,

707
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,240
until modern technologies came out.

708
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:27,880
For instance, I think art was very important because we wouldn't know what some people looked

709
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:28,880
like.

710
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,160
You have these portraits out there of, you know, kings, queens, very important people

711
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,000
out there.

712
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,120
We wouldn't know what any of these people looked like or what these things were.

713
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,760
Even depictions of cities, like we wouldn't know what some of these cities looked like

714
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,640
way back when if we didn't have paintings of them.

715
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:55,320
So I think that that was very important before cameras came out and things in technologies.

716
00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:02,520
And I think as technology progressed, art became, traditional art became more blurred.

717
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:09,560
Like yes, do I think that there is a place for a photo realist painting of New York City

718
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,560
or something like that?

719
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,320
Yes, it's very beautiful.

720
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,800
But again, I think that's where it becomes luxury because who's going to have that on

721
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,280
their wall and say, ooh, I want to stand here and look at this art.

722
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:26,480
Most people, at least most middle class people that I know of do not, right?

723
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:32,320
That's only something that people of upper echelon pay for to have on their wall to have.

724
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,800
So I think that it has become more of a luxury now.

725
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,400
And you can definitely appreciate art.

726
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,320
I know plenty of people that go to museums and say, wow, that is beautiful.

727
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,800
But at the same time, is it progressing us forward anywhere?

728
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,400
I don't necessarily think so.

729
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,120
Yeah, I don't think so at all.

730
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,400
I'm 100% with you on that.

731
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,240
Especially not the modern art crap.

732
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,960
Now that's a whole other subject, man.

733
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,920
I mean, I sent you that stupid video of the people that had a block of butter and they

734
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:07,320
were slinging a mini microphone through it and sold the recording with the painting of

735
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,040
the butter that was like the sound of butter or whatever.

736
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,040
It was ridiculous.

737
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,920
It's like, man, a lot of this stuff, you can just make it up as you go along and call

738
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,840
it modern art, call that good.

739
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,520
So I don't think that progresses anything.

740
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,400
I think that's just people that got too much money and too much time on their hands.

741
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,760
I think that's what that is.

742
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,000
All right, just next one.

743
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:32,800
If you could go on a competition reality show, so like Survivor, Big Brother, The Amazing

744
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:39,840
Race, Aint Master, those type of shows, is there one that you would want to go on and

745
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,840
watch?

746
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,360
I don't have any kind of talents like that.

747
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,440
That's the only thing.

748
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,400
Not one that I would be like, yeah, I'm going to take it on TV.

749
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:56,280
If there was one, if I was a good stand-up comedian, there was one, do you remember that

750
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,280
stand-up comedy one?

751
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:58,280
What was that called?

752
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,720
Yeah, Last Comic Standing.

753
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:02,960
That was a pretty...

754
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,920
I heard there was a lot of controversy around that show after a while though.

755
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,840
It's like, I think that would be a pretty fun one just because they put you through the

756
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,840
gauntlet.

757
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:10,840
Is it Last Comic Standing?

758
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:11,840
Is that what it is?

759
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,840
All the different...

760
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,120
I mean, you had to make so many different bits so fast.

761
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,560
I definitely wouldn't be good at it because I'm not very good at stand-up comedy.

762
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,480
But I would say something like that.

763
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,600
You can't really call it a competition show, but I think Who's Lonnie's Nating Way would

764
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,320
be pretty fun, but it's not really a competition show.

765
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,680
But I feel like you...

766
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:37,080
But it's still a lot of pressure because you have to come up with stuff on the fly.

767
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,080
Do you have one?

768
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,080
Yeah, I would probably...

769
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,200
And you can judge me on what I want, but if I had to go on one, like I didn't have a choice,

770
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,320
I'd probably go on Big Brother.

771
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,320
Because that game is just about like...

772
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,320
Surviving the house.

773
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:51,320
Like, so...

774
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,320
Yes.

775
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,120
Yeah, just being sociable and just being liked enough to not get voted out.

776
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:01,040
I mean, there are challenges like every weekend stuff, but like I think that's just about

777
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,360
who's going to be the best at being likable and relatable.

778
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,080
Or I would go on that show Traders.

779
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,720
It's basically a one big game of Mafia, which I think I would enjoy.

780
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:14,280
But those would probably be the only two.

781
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,240
I would like to get tattooed on Ink Masters.

782
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:23,040
I can't tattoo, but I think it'd be cool to get a tattoo on Ink Masters.

783
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,040
That'd be great.

784
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,760
Yeah, I think that'd be pretty cool as well.

785
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,880
Yeah, that'd be pretty fun.

786
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,920
One that is not on the air anymore that I wouldn't mind going on.

787
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Again, I don't think I cook this well, but I think it'd be cool to go on the show Iron

788
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,880
Chef where you have to cook against a master.

789
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,200
Like it's really hard because you have to come up with like a four or five course dish

790
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,360
in an under an hour.

791
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,880
You don't want to go on Hell's Kitchen?

792
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:46,880
No, bro.

793
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,160
I wouldn't want to do that.

794
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,160
Get berated.

795
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,160
You don't want to get yelled at?

796
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,320
Yeah, I don't want to get berated.

797
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:58,600
At least like Iron Chef, they treat you with dignity like, oh man, you've made it all the

798
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,000
way to this point, so you must be a pretty darn good chef.

799
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,960
You know what I mean?

800
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,720
So there's that.

801
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:13,240
All right, so my next question, would you feel that home is a place, a feeling or a

802
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:15,040
connection with people?

803
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,320
Like if you had to describe what home is or if it's a it could be a combo of all of them.

804
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,360
It's probably a combo all of them because to be honest, like Texas, like that's home

805
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,360
for me, right?

806
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,520
Like that's a physical place where I feel home.

807
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:35,760
And then like with you guys, like I feel home when I'm around with you guys.

808
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:41,720
So I think home is just, I don't know, finding your people and your place where you fit in.

809
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:44,120
So I think it's a combination of things, man.

810
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:50,080
I don't think it's necessarily a geographical location, but at the same time to like Texas

811
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,880
is home, I feel at home when I'm here, like I can go to any other state.

812
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,400
And then when I come back to Texas, I'm like, oh yeah, like this is home.

813
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,600
So I don't know.

814
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,800
I guess it would be a combination of all three for myself.

815
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,960
If I had to pick one more, it's definitely kind of a feeling, but I would say it's the

816
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:14,320
connection with people and reason being is, um, so, you know, I've lived certain places.

817
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,840
I've lived with people and things like that.

818
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:23,080
And, you know, the thing is you, you feel what home is when you're there, but at the

819
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:28,360
same time, I also feel like home is where you go to somebody else's house and you don't

820
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:33,480
have those weird internal limitations or restrictions.

821
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:34,480
And Chris knows that up.

822
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,960
You feel like you can go in their fridge and just grab some.

823
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,080
You can go in their fridge.

824
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,120
You feel like you could go take a dookie in their toilet and it ain't a big deal.

825
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:52,120
Like, they're just like different things that, and I'll put it to this way, 99.9% of houses

826
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,120
I will go into are like people's places I'll go into.

827
00:46:55,120 --> 00:47:01,000
I do not feel comfortable to like go number two in their toilet to just go and get food

828
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,480
from their fridge.

829
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,560
Like even going and getting like water, it's like, I'm not going to go and get nothing

830
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,120
unless I'm offered it.

831
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,360
You know what I mean?

832
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,160
Like that's, that's how it is most places.

833
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:17,440
So I feel like, uh, it's, if, if I have a really strong connection, like there are several

834
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,800
people like, um, our wedding photographers, super good friends, right?

835
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,080
Unfortunately they moved away from where we are now, but, um, there for a little bit when

836
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,600
they lived here, we would go over to their house all the time and bro, I felt comfortable

837
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:33,880
as all get out, right?

838
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,720
You, you know where everything is.

839
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:41,440
You can go get yourself water, tea, whatever, like not a, not a big deal.

840
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:47,080
Sit there and watch TV and like you legitimately feel comfortable, but that's because like

841
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:52,120
you have the connection with people and know that they're cool enough to do that with,

842
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,120
you know what I mean?

843
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,600
And so I, I think that's where that comes in for me is like, and I'm not saying that

844
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,640
that's what home is, but like it's one of those things to where if somebody were to

845
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,160
say, Hey, you have to go live with them now.

846
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:09,160
I'm not hating it because I'm like, okay, I can, I can, I can do this.

847
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,160
Yeah.

848
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,160
Not a big deal.

849
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,160
Yeah.

850
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,880
I think, uh, at my mom's house for sure, like I feel that way because I grew up in that

851
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:16,880
house.

852
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,840
So it's kind of like, oh yeah, like this is my childhood home and then with you guys

853
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,520
for sure, but like, yeah, I'm with you.

854
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,240
It's like, oh yeah, you can go in the fridge, like grab whatever you want.

855
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:27,360
I still be like, I don't know.

856
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,360
Yeah.

857
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,360
I don't know about all that.

858
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,360
Yeah.

859
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,840
I don't know about all that.

860
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,920
Well, and that was the other thing that was, um, that was interesting.

861
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:41,800
You know, I don't talk to my parental's as it is, but you know, they moved, we moved

862
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,160
a couple of times, right?

863
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:49,320
And so the house that we, like even the house that we moved into when we got to Texas, I

864
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,280
kind of felt like that was home, but not really.

865
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,200
Like that was kind of like how it's kind of in between spot.

866
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,200
You know what I mean?

867
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,640
That's not like home sweet home kind of deal.

868
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,640
Yeah.

869
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,240
I felt like it was just a place to sleep.

870
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:02,240
Absolutely.

871
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:08,360
And so, and then so when I was still talking to my parental units and they moved, um, and

872
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,360
went to another house, like that other house that they moved to, I did not feel comfortable

873
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,360
there at all.

874
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,680
I didn't feel like that was a place for me.

875
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,800
Like, you know what I mean, like I did not feel like at least that other house, I guess

876
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,640
probably cause you, we actually did live there.

877
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,640
It somewhat felt like a place you could hang your hat and be comfortable in, but not a hundred

878
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:28,640
percent.

879
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,560
And then that other house is like, not, this is a foreign place.

880
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,320
Like it don't feel comfortable at all.

881
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,400
And like, no matter what you do, it had that feeling of like, you know, you could probably

882
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,120
go to the fridge and do all this other stuff, but nah, you really can't.

883
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,360
So don't, you know what I mean?

884
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,560
So it's like, there's, there's a lot.

885
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,240
So it was just kind of weird how all that went.

886
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:52,080
I only got two more questions left.

887
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,280
And if you don't want to answer this question, it's okay.

888
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:02,440
And I'm not trying to out you, but can you explain to us what your, uh, reasoning is

889
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,120
or what your fear is behind glass elevators?

890
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,120
Okay.

891
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:14,240
Man, I wish I could tell you, like there's really not a, besides just that like primal

892
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:19,720
fear of, it's like watching your feet leave the ground.

893
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:23,640
It's, I have this same feeling and the same fear.

894
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:28,800
Say whenever we do one of those freefall towers where it, you know, picks you up and drops

895
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:34,280
you, um, I hate those in particular because your feet are dangling off the ground.

896
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,520
And so you look down and you literally see your feet leave in the ground and you realize

897
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:45,840
like, Hey, there's a little piece of plastic that is supporting me from, you know, plummeting

898
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,560
this whole entire distance here.

899
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:53,480
And I guess for glass elevators, really, if you think about what an elevator is made out

900
00:50:53,480 --> 00:51:01,240
of, I mean, it is literally, you got a few wheels going on a track and you have a series

901
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:03,160
of cables lifting you up.

902
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:08,000
Now really and truly elevators are very safe, right?

903
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:13,480
I mean, they're very safe, but at the same time, I think my biggest fear, it's one thing

904
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:18,440
when you're in an elevator, say the cable snaps and you're in the elevator and you don't see

905
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,680
what's going on.

906
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:20,680
Okay.

907
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,000
It's a, it's a fall.

908
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,640
You go bang and you're gone, right?

909
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:26,640
Glass elevators.

910
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,240
However, that cable snaps.

911
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:32,800
You're watching yourself fall like you are watching the fall and you're entrapped in this

912
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:40,960
thing and then, you know, you get death by a thousand cuts too, because you get to go

913
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,600
through all the shattered glass and everything as well.

914
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,280
So when you're in a glass elevator, where do you look?

915
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,520
Where do you just close your eyes?

916
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:53,640
Typically, I just look at the door, like I'll face away from the glass elevator and I'll

917
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:58,600
look at the door and try to stand as close to the door as possible because you can still

918
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,640
see out of your proof wheels, you know, out of the side of your eyes.

919
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,880
You can still see what's going on.

920
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,520
That'll still freak me out.

921
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,920
Now here's the other weird instance.

922
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,400
Here's the other weird part to this.

923
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,280
I'm freaked out going up in glass elevators, coming down in glass elevators.

924
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,760
I have no problem with that.

925
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:20,280
It's probably because you know that you're coming close to the ground and so you're okay.

926
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,240
So if you fall, it's not going to be that big of a deal.

927
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:29,440
But if you're going up and then you fall, that's a whole another pretty fall.

928
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,920
Yeah, pretty much.

929
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:31,920
Yeah.

930
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,360
And again, it's just that feeling of watching yourself leave the ground.

931
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:45,800
Now it's interesting because angled inclines like roller coasters, planes taking off,

932
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:46,800
things like that.

933
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,200
I'm totally fine with.

934
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,200
I could totally look outside and be like, oh yeah, leaving the ground.

935
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,720
No big deal.

936
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:56,200
But when it's straight up and down, I have a problem with that.

937
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,200
Don't know.

938
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,960
I just wanted to ask that question for the viewers.

939
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,560
I know you're always curious about that.

940
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,040
It's like, what the heck is that even about?

941
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,120
All right.

942
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,360
So my next question, this one's another in depth one.

943
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:21,120
Do you believe as humans that we are born inherently good or inherently bad?

944
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:26,120
Like, do you think we are constantly fighting in the worst versions of ourselves and we

945
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,960
are inherently bad or do you think we're inherently good and the world just changes us and influences

946
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,120
and tempts us with sin?

947
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:37,960
I mean, again, I have to go back to the Bible and it says like, you know, there's no one

948
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,040
not righteous and no not one.

949
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,640
And I think we are inherently bad because think about it like a baby.

950
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,400
Like one of the first things they do, like they lie, right?

951
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:48,680
Like you tell them, did you knock that down?

952
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:49,680
They shake their head.

953
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:50,880
No, even before they can talk.

954
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:56,720
And so I think because we're all born with that sin nature, like, yes, we're inherently

955
00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:01,520
bad and so I don't think any of us are born like inherently good.

956
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,360
We have to learn how to do good because if you think about like babies and toddlers,

957
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,320
like you're always have to constantly teach them like, no, like don't do this.

958
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,680
Like they know how to do bad on their own, but they, but you have to teach them how to

959
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,920
do good.

960
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,960
And so that's, that's where I lie in the end of it.

961
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:23,800
Well, yeah, and that's why I think to double down on that, my example was going to be,

962
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,920
and I think that's why people who have a lack of an authority figure or a lack of somebody

963
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,240
who is telling them right or wrong, that's why they go so far astray and have to learn

964
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:39,160
those lessons further in their further on in their life or if they learn them at all.

965
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:45,400
I think that's why it's so imperative to have kids with both parents and things like that.

966
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,680
That's mainly because we've seen the results when there's not that.

967
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,880
And I think it's so much harder to, I mean, that's exactly what you're doing.

968
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:01,920
You're rearing these kids to make sure that they are going to be the best versions of

969
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,320
themselves, best citizens in life and everything else.

970
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:12,400
And I think that's a constant choice because if you let them just be free willy nilly right

971
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,520
from a kid standpoint, what are they going to do?

972
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:16,520
They're going to be mischievous.

973
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,880
They're going to push the lines, push the boundaries, and that's what they're going

974
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,320
to do as an adult too.

975
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,320
I mean, it just falls all the way down the line.

976
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,200
So I, no, I agree with you.

977
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,600
I think you're, you're born inherently bad and it's a conscious effort, not just from

978
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:31,600
your parents.

979
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,520
Your parents instill it in you, I feel like, be virtuous, full of character and want to

980
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:36,520
work on yourself.

981
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:37,520
But yeah, I agree.

982
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,960
Yeah, because, because you've all seen those like, oh man, this kid's like bad and their

983
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:42,960
parents don't do anything.

984
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,920
And it's like, you have to actively teach them how to be good.

985
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,040
And like, I agree with you, like kids need both parents.

986
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,680
And so sometimes that's not all the case.

987
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:57,040
And there are a lot of single mothers out there who are doing a phenomenal job.

988
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,040
They're doing a great job.

989
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,560
And it's hard to play the role of both parents, but there, there's something when a kid has

990
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:07,240
both parents and like, sometimes like in a healthy way, they need that father figure

991
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:09,400
that could come and like, check you bro.

992
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:14,560
It's like, when you get like, when you get, especially like, if you have boys, like the

993
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,480
boys like at a certain age, they start wanting to test authority.

994
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,320
Like it's like a young buck and an old buck.

995
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:24,600
And you got to have that old buck to like put that young buck in his place sometimes.

996
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,320
And so, I mean, it's, it's definitely for sure.

997
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:28,800
But yeah, it's easy to do.

998
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,000
We all know how to do bad.

999
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,440
Like that's easy for us, but it's teaching kids how to be good and make the right choices.

1000
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,440
That's the hard part.

1001
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,920
I think what's, what's hard for me and the reason that that question came up for myself

1002
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:46,880
was inherently my human nature and what's in my mind is when I ask that question inherently,

1003
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,840
I want to say, no, we're all born with, you know, good nature.

1004
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,400
And it's life that beats us up and batters us to where we get to this point.

1005
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,160
That's what I want to say.

1006
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,840
But really and truly, once you start getting down to it, you know, I, there's pretty much

1007
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,920
same answers and what we've been talking about is exactly what comes up too.

1008
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,000
But it's just interesting how the first thought is, no, no, no, no, no, no, like we're, we're

1009
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,000
born good.

1010
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,680
It's life that takes it out on us.

1011
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,000
And that's where we, you know, get beaten battered.

1012
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,680
And that, I don't think that's the case, but it's, it's interesting how that's the first

1013
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,200
thing that comes out, at least for me.

1014
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,760
Not to ex, accentuate this conversation, but it's all good.

1015
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:25,760
I like it.

1016
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:26,760
But think about it.

1017
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:31,280
We often sometimes think of that and what we start doing is we be like, oh yeah, like

1018
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,200
I maybe got some bad stuff, but I'm not, we start thinking of the worst person we know,

1019
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,200
right?

1020
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,840
Like we start thinking of, oh yeah, well at least I'm not as bad as Jeffrey Dahmer or

1021
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,800
at least I'm not as bad as that person with a heroin problem.

1022
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,640
Like we start comparing our wrongs and stuff.

1023
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,320
And again, like going back to the, it's like sin is sin.

1024
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,280
So like however big or however small, like it's all equal to God.

1025
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,280
It's all bad.

1026
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,280
It's all wrong.

1027
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,920
We're all just humans, we like to categorize different sins and be like, oh yeah, well

1028
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,760
that person's a worse person.

1029
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:08,680
And so we do want to think of ourselves as good, but I mean, but yeah, it's pretty cut

1030
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,080
and clear of, of how that is.

1031
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,320
And if we were all good, inherently good, I mean, we wouldn't need Jesus.

1032
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,320
We wouldn't need a savior.

1033
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,600
And so that's, that's where I fall with that.

1034
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:18,600
Yeah, for sure.

1035
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:19,600
For sure.

1036
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:24,400
Last question I have, and this is kind of a, I don't know, it's kind of a thought provoking

1037
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,200
question, but also a fun question.

1038
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:32,280
If you were given a journal today that predicts perfectly, okay, it predicts to a T what your

1039
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:37,520
next year would be like, like what 2025 is going to be like, would you want to read it

1040
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:38,520
or not?

1041
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,440
I'm going to say no.

1042
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:47,000
And the reason being, and the only reason, and maybe you can, you know, make the stipulation

1043
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,780
to where this is different.

1044
00:58:48,780 --> 00:58:53,520
But for me, I always feel like if you do know the future, our human nature is going to do

1045
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,680
something to screw it up to where it's not going to happen the way that it's written

1046
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,200
out, if that makes sense.

1047
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,600
Now do I think that that's actually what would happen?

1048
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,840
Yeah, but like, I don't know.

1049
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,880
It's one of those things of like, if you're expecting something, do you get what I'm saying?

1050
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:16,520
Like if you expect something and you read it out to a T, I'm worried that then I'll go,

1051
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,760
okay, and then my behaviors will change.

1052
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:23,480
And then all of a sudden the outcomes will change because of, like, for example, I'm

1053
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:30,120
going to say, for instance, if it says, if it says, okay, January the 27th, you're going

1054
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:34,920
to receive $5,000 for whatever reason, right?

1055
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,400
Would my behavior change?

1056
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,600
I'm not saying it would, but like, my worry would be like, my behavior would change to

1057
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:45,600
be like, woohoo, I'm going to blow all this money right now knowing this five grand is

1058
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:52,200
coming, which would then in turn screw up something that was good later on that year,

1059
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,680
which would domino effect if that makes sense.

1060
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,760
No, that 100% makes sense.

1061
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:01,720
I don't think I would want to read it because what if 2025 is going to be a crappy year?

1062
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:02,720
Like think about it.

1063
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,120
It's like, yeah, it makes it perfectly.

1064
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,720
But what if next year is going to be like a bad, like what if a lot of crappy stuff is

1065
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:10,720
going to happen?

1066
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,440
I don't want to know like that.

1067
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,120
But I mean, I guess because you, because you look at the end of the year and it's like,

1068
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:23,280
sometimes I'd rather just take it as it comes, like, and it's like this year it was like,

1069
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,520
yeah, I'm glad that I just like was like, okay, I'm just taking this as it comes because

1070
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:32,040
now looking back on it, if I would have known now at the beginning of the year, all this

1071
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:37,880
stuff that 2024 would have, like there were a lot of good stuff in 2024, but there was

1072
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,440
also a lot of surprises and things I did not expect.

1073
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:46,360
And so you're kind of like, yeah, I would definitely want to know all of it at one time.

1074
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,360
No.

1075
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,560
And if I would have known a lot of what was going to happen in 2024, like I think it would

1076
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,040
have been highly discouraging.

1077
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,080
I think that's what it would have been for myself.

1078
01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:00,120
I think it would have been discouraging and go, okay, can we skip to next year?

1079
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,760
You know, yeah, I don't think I'd want to look, man.

1080
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,280
I don't think I'd want to look for sure.

1081
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,560
Well, that's, that's my last question.

1082
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,320
If you got any others, if you got more than one, that's totally cool.

1083
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:10,720
But that's all the questions I got.

1084
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,200
Yeah, I've just, I've just got a couple left here.

1085
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,880
This next question, do you think that the pursuit of knowledge makes us wiser or do

1086
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,680
you think it just creates more questions?

1087
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:25,680
I think the pursuit of knowledge does make us wiser because I think in order for you

1088
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:29,040
to become wise and for you to grow, you have to seek it out.

1089
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:33,040
Like you got to seek out, okay, I want to know how to do this or I want to know these

1090
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,040
things.

1091
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:39,920
And then it, even if it does raise questions, like questions are a good thing.

1092
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,040
Whoever says questions are a bad thing, but that's questions are how you grow it.

1093
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,040
That's how you learn.

1094
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,520
So I think the pursuit of knowledge is a good thing because then it does make you think

1095
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,680
of things of like, oh, like I never thought about this.

1096
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,120
So let me ask this question based upon this knowledge and that's just how you grow as

1097
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,120
a human.

1098
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:57,120
Yeah, for sure.

1099
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,840
Now I'm going to throw one small wrench into it.

1100
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:05,200
What happens when it starts developing questions that are unanswerable, at least at the moment,

1101
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:11,800
or maybe you don't have anybody to ask the questions to, I guess maybe that's where it

1102
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,400
becomes more frustrating.

1103
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:18,880
And that's where the question kind of came up in my mind is, because I have been to some

1104
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:24,760
points in life where there will be kind of a wall or roadblock because it's just created

1105
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,040
more questions than answers.

1106
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:32,000
And there's nobody to really, so maybe there's a situation you've gone through that nobody

1107
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,120
that you know of has gone through it.

1108
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,320
Now I'm sure there's somebody else in life who has gone through something similar, but

1109
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:41,160
at least nobody in your realm that you know of has gone through that.

1110
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:50,000
So you know, through every instance that you have, like you said, you beseech kind of maybe

1111
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,920
a higher knowledge, maybe try to get a little wiser in the subject, how does this not happen

1112
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:59,560
again, or how can I get myself out of this, or whatever the situation may be.

1113
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:04,760
I feel like sometimes it gets to the point where you're like, I don't have anybody to

1114
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,040
ask and maybe there's not a clear cut answer to this.

1115
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:09,680
And do you find it out over time?

1116
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:18,080
Yes, but I do feel like there are sometimes that the pursuit of knowledge in certain facets

1117
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:22,360
just creates a bunch of questions and you go, well, maybe I'll never know.

1118
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,920
I think there's sometimes where that happens as well.

1119
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,600
For like me personally, I'm okay with just not knowing because I'm like, it's all going

1120
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:30,800
to work out in the end.

1121
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:35,160
But for some people, like they have to know and that's legit and that's real.

1122
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:39,520
And so that does cause like tension where you're like, man, like, I wish I wouldn't even known

1123
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:44,440
at the first point because now I have all these questions and you have that tension

1124
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:48,120
and that angst so I can't see where that's like, that's a frustrating part.

1125
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:52,960
And see that's somewhat, I wouldn't say that's how I am, but in some facets it is.

1126
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:57,040
And it depends on how far down the rabbit hole you go.

1127
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:03,120
I think the more frustrating is because I've been through quite a bit of things before

1128
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:07,640
where you get all the way to a certain point where you feel like the whole thing's about

1129
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:12,120
to unravel and you're about to find out the secrets of what all you've been going through

1130
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:17,760
all this for and like it's going to give you all the knowledge and, you know, it has taught

1131
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,960
you lessons, but you're like, okay, the big lesson is going to be revealed and you get

1132
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:26,800
there and it's like, maybe there wasn't a big lesson to be revealed.

1133
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,200
Maybe it was just a bunch of small lessons.

1134
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,960
Maybe it was this here, maybe it was that there.

1135
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,640
And then all of a sudden next thing you know, you're like questioning everything of like,

1136
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,120
why, why did I even go through that in the first place?

1137
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,400
If there's not going to be a big lesson to learn from it.

1138
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,280
What did this, what was this supposed to be?

1139
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,440
If this, you know what I mean?

1140
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,320
And it goes through it, it just kind of depends.

1141
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:55,600
But I think that's a lot where mine has come out is because I, in some situations I do

1142
01:04:55,600 --> 01:05:02,520
care if it's been something that I've struggled through and ground through, you know, sometimes

1143
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:03,520
it's a grind.

1144
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,560
You know, sometimes trying to find answers to things is a grind, you know, to make sure

1145
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,800
it doesn't happen again or to make sure that if it does happen again, you know what's going

1146
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:12,800
on.

1147
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,600
Like it can be a grind to try to find those answers.

1148
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:15,600
That's for sure.

1149
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:16,600
Yeah, for sure, man.

1150
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:17,600
Um, all right, man.

1151
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,760
One last one here and we'll call her good.

1152
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:27,440
Can failure truly be a stepping stone to success or is it just a means to get answers?

1153
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:34,960
I think failure is 100% a stepping stone to success because, uh, it's not until you fail

1154
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:39,640
that you realize things about yourself or things about the situation, because if you

1155
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:46,360
have things handed to you and everything you do, you knock out of the park, then like,

1156
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,360
I mean, honestly, failure humbles you.

1157
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,880
And so like, you got to learn from that and make pivots and changes.

1158
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:56,040
It's like, okay, like I learned this lesson from this failure.

1159
01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:00,000
So the next time when I do this, like I'm going to do it differently.

1160
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:04,520
And then when you get bigger and better opportunities, you can lean on those past failures and be

1161
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,720
like, well, I'm not going to make that mistake again.

1162
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,960
And so that helps you in the long run.

1163
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,040
I don't think it's just a means to an end.

1164
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:16,080
I do think you have to have failures in order to be successful.

1165
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:20,440
Like you look at all the greatest people and I know this is a cliche, but you look at all

1166
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:21,440
the greatest people.

1167
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:26,720
You've had so many failures in their life, but we oftentimes talk about their successes

1168
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,040
more than their failures.

1169
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,480
Like Walt Disney went bankrupt.

1170
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:37,880
And so, I mean, you got to look at your failures in order to be successful for sure.

1171
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:43,240
Now, if you're failing and failing and failing and you're not learning from those, then you're

1172
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,040
just not too bright.

1173
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:51,400
Now, and the reason I ask this is because I read an article a couple of weeks back and

1174
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:59,200
there are some people that feel that basically failure can be a stepping stone to success,

1175
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:05,200
but the answers that you get from the failures and solving the failures and making them into

1176
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:12,080
a positive that the failure and the solution are independent of each other.

1177
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:16,360
That's what they believe and that there's a whole school of thought out there that if

1178
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:20,560
that makes sense that basically those two things are independent.

1179
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,120
The failure and the solution.

1180
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:27,800
So whatever solution you have and whatever answers you find, even though the failure was

1181
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:33,560
the first part, the answer that you found from the failure is the stepping stone, not

1182
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:34,560
the failure itself.

1183
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,040
If that makes sense.

1184
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,400
And I can see where that thought is valid.

1185
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:43,240
Like I can see that and I can agree with that to some point.

1186
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:49,600
I think that's, I feel like that's like a very scientific approach or like a very like

1187
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,680
methodical way of looking at it.

1188
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,120
And I don't think it's wrong.

1189
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,000
I think that point is valid for sure.

1190
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,920
But I think it's just two different ways of looking at it.

1191
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:00,920
Right.

1192
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,720
And that's really all that it is.

1193
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,560
Do you look at it from this angle or do you look at it from this angle?

1194
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:10,000
I think it's really and truly it's six to one half a dozen to the other.

1195
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,760
If you're making progress, you're making progress, I feel like.

1196
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:17,920
But it's one of those things of it's kind of an interesting school of thought that,

1197
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,640
you know, some people were thinking about that.

1198
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,680
So just want to get your thoughts on that.

1199
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:26,480
But yeah, man, that was the last question that I had, but I always enjoyed these free

1200
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:27,600
flow sessions.

1201
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,920
I always like a lot of the questions.

1202
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,120
A lot of a lot of them really thought provoking.

1203
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:38,680
There are some man that always make me think of like, oh man, what am I going to answer

1204
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:39,680
on the fly?

1205
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:40,680
Yeah.

1206
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,560
And I enjoy those questions for sure.

1207
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:47,880
Because it's like, it makes you really think it's like, huh, like, what do I really think

1208
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:48,880
about this?

1209
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,880
Or wow, like I never thought of this like before, like your question about time.

1210
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:58,480
I was kind of like, huh, like I bet like in the Garden of Eden, they didn't have like

1211
01:08:58,480 --> 01:08:59,480
time or anything.

1212
01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:03,960
It's just interesting things to think about where you're just kind of like, huh, that's

1213
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:04,960
a great thought.

1214
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,400
Yeah, for sure.

1215
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:10,920
And a lot of these things, like I said, a lot of these things, at least on my end, these

1216
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:16,840
will be things that I just randomly think about at work or on my drive sometimes.

1217
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:22,360
And it's just like, you know, sometimes I'll just mark them down and that's what it comes

1218
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,320
in real handy when it comes to these free flow episodes.

1219
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:26,600
Have questions to ask.

1220
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:32,160
But yeah, we'll go ahead and plug the stuff over at the trash can network at the trash

1221
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:37,560
can network over on YouTube, on Facebook, Instagram, and then over at the A We Are Society,

1222
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:43,080
over at the over at the Instagram, you can call it the Instagram if you want it to.

1223
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:48,200
But over on Instagram, if you like all the plain stuff, all the plain lover stuff, dude,

1224
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:55,440
we've had quite the number of av nerds av geeks over there, not just on our trash can

1225
01:09:55,440 --> 01:10:01,160
network page, but over on the A We Are Society, been checking it out.

1226
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,760
I've been even having some military stuff on there here lately.

1227
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:10,040
So been been having some kind of up close impersonal things go on there.

1228
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:11,040
So check it out.

1229
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:17,200
I even had a C5 fly over my head in a semi illegal spot that I parked my car at to film

1230
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:18,200
it.

1231
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:23,760
So, so yeah, support my illegal parking job by going to watching that video.

1232
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:24,760
I'm just kidding.

1233
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,520
Do you want to tell them what's coming up for season four?

1234
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,160
Do you want that just to be a surprise?

1235
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:34,400
Well, if you want, we can, I thought we were going to, we can do it next episode here.

1236
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,280
We can give it a sneaky reveal.

1237
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,120
We'll make them wait one more week here.

1238
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:40,120
Awesome.

1239
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,280
It's been so great getting to be with you guys.

1240
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:48,560
Thank you for listening and I'm so excited for what's coming up in season four.

1241
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:55,080
This brings season three to a close and what better way to end season three than with the

1242
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:56,080
starship?

1243
01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:21,360
I'm Chris and I'm Michael and this has been the Dona Bacchina Test.

1244
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:29,120
Hello, everyone.

1245
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:40,500
My name is Canzel and Irang, the newly developed

1246
01:11:40,500 --> 01:11:44,940
braeria brand.

1247
01:11:44,940 --> 01:11:48,740
My hand, baby, don't ever look back

1248
01:11:48,740 --> 01:11:53,740
Let the wound around us just fall apart

1249
01:11:53,740 --> 01:12:10,540
Baby, we can make it if we're hard to hold