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So I know we just recently were in the season of Halloween, but do you remember as kids you

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remember that one time in the church where you're like if you go into the bathroom and

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you lock the door and turn the lights off and you say Bloody Mary three times you'll

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see Bloody Mary in the mirror.

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Do you remember that?

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Yeah, yeah, that always like freaked me out.

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I remember like doing that at home and at church like with friends like what was the first time

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you remember like doing that?

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I remember it was pretty early on for me.

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I only ever did it for that one time and it was with you because you were like let's do

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it and I like by like the second time I was like oh I was shot out of there you were like

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but you have to lock the door that's the thing because if you don't lock the door then you're

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not going to see nothing and I was just like wow dude that's wild.

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Yeah I don't try to remember it was I think it was like some kid that I knew in Germany

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we were at their house and I think it was their sister that was like yeah we're going

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to do Bloody Mary and it's like if you say it three times like they're going to and you

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have to it's always like in the mirror you have to be like looking in the mirror that's

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what they're going to come at you.

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Yeah it was pretty crazy.

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I remember when you were a kid you'd be thinking all that stuff is real you think all that's

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going to actually happen for sure.

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I was going to ask you did you quote unquote see anything in the mirror or no.

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No I never did but like I remember getting to three and I don't know any sort of noise

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any sort of whatever would like make you real scared I don't know I never ever saw it.

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That's what gets me about these ghost hunter shows it's like oh that just and it's like

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all it could be is just the lights turned off and somebody moving stuff out of the shot

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or somebody whispering or whatever it is it's like how can you really believe that that's.

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Yeah I think a lot of that stuff is staged like I think there are supernatural things

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but I don't think that they are as prominent as they show in like TV shows and stuff like

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that and I don't think they're like little sensors that are like oh the air got colder

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so that's you know what I mean I think that all is just crazy.

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Yeah you can make all that stuff up.

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I'm Chris and I'm like and this is the Donut Box podcast.

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Well buddy we are officially in November can you believe that dude we only have after this

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episode two more episodes until we're entering into season four.

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That's crazy it's crazy that we're almost to three years straight of recording and having

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you know three years straight of doing it week after week that's pretty pretty wild but

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here we are and we're on to another free flow episode which I always love these man and

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I don't know man I'm a little excited about today because there's plenty to talk about

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but we're going to talk about toxic work environments and listing out what would you say our I would

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like to call it at least on my in the Mount Rushmore's of toxic work environments at least

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in my oh yeah for sure some of them I can't say but I think.

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I think we both are going to agree together collectively that.

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Boogra is on there and we'll talk about that in a little bit but I'll let you get started

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with what you want to introduce Chris I'll say this he hasn't had as many jobs as me

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there was a period of time where I kind of bounced around from some jobs and kind of

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floated around I would say probably one of the so I've seen all sorts of different kinds

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of brands of toxicity I guess if you will in the fact of like you know there you've

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been in an environment with a bunch of old heads who are like you know what here's what

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it means to work here's what it means to do these things and if you don't live up to the

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standard like for instance it's like oh yeah you got to be here 30 minutes early and we

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sit here and we drink coffee and then we go out there and work 12 hours sometimes 16 hours

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and it's like and that's that's what it is and you don't call out sick and it's like

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a whole thing and it's like attendance is very key and you even pick up shifts and stuff

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like that all the way to the other front of you know it's like I've even been into the

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job fronts where it's like a man you're going to mess up what we have so don't do what you're

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supposed to do so that you don't mess up what what's going to be happening our chill lifestyle

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is that what you're saying like it's so chill we don't do anything around here don't work

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too hard or you're going to mess it up for the rest of us pretty much like don't screw

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don't screw things up because it's like we're we're trying to maintain our chill habitation

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here and it's like so I've seen all fronts of the spectrum but starting at the beginning

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of the spectrum I think probably one of the most toxic jobs besides boot crowd for myself

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was I worked for a company called ASIG and like ASIG and it was as a refueler at the

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Austin airport and that company has gone through I think like nine or ten like rebrands or

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whatever by this point but anyways so it was so coming from Lubbock Texas because that's

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where I initially was coming from and coming down there it was actually paying kind of

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good it was paying twelve dollars an hour and for Lubbock Texas that was pretty good

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wage I would say would you say like twelve dollars starting out's pretty good yes back

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like twelve to thirteen years ago that was really good and they were like really confused

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because they were like are you sure like that's a really low number for here and stuff like

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that and I was just like nah but I didn't realize for Austin area that was a little bit of a

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low number but I live kind of outside of the area so I thought no problem and not to mention

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they were like we need somebody on like the really early morning shift and so I was like

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okay yeah I'll get on the other morning shift and I'll never forget my boss's name his last

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name was Sweatman like legit is last name of Sweatman and he like literally he pushed

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everything through he wanted to make sure like oh yeah I got out there as quickly as possible

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because they were really short staffed and they were like pretty much what's gonna have

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happened is we're going to assign overtime whenever we you know whenever we need to so

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basically you like come in a day and be like yep you're working sixteen hours their standard

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shift was twelve it's like but if they needed you to work more than it would be sixteen

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hours and so which what bothered me about this was if you were on the they didn't really

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require this out of the late shift like the two p.m. shift the people that came in on at

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two p.m. because my our shift would start at like three in the morning right and we would

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go until two or three in the afternoon and then you know our replacements would come

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on but the people that came in on two in the afternoon or three in the afternoon say they

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worked like a sixteen hour shift or like they would basically for them that would require

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them to come early well the next day they would get to sleep in or whatever right and

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not have to get up and you know they would go in at two in the afternoon when I would

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have to turn around and get back up and think about if you got to be there three in the

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morning you got to be leaving your house like two so it was really it was already rough

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schedule wise because if you've ever had a job like that you have to go to bed at like

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five six in the afternoon it's kind of weird like everybody's having dinner like having

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a good time you're having to go to bed already and so anyways the job wise what made it so

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toxic was they were really cheap first of all and it was the summertime and they wouldn't

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provide us water like on their own which I'm pretty sure is illegal I'm sure like I'm

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pretty sure that's illegal do you have if you're working out in the heat or working

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outside like I for extended periods of time I think they have to provide water for you

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did they make and I guarantee they didn't make sure you took your regulated breaks break

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what was that like pretty much what how the it was a sweatshop kind of work environment

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that's what made it part so bad so like I kid you not the process to get trained and

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everything and to get your licenses and stuff like that from the airport and get your background

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check and all that stuff was two weeks and so in those two weeks they just pack all this

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training but by the time the two weeks are over with like you're in a field truck on

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your own driving in between plane wings like feeling planes like that that's how quick

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the the turnaround is always one of the number one signs of a toxic workplace is if they have

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a quick training or if they're like hey we'll hire you on the spot that's always kind of

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a red flag but continue and I mean after me that's what they were did a lot too is they

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did a lot of like hiring events where it was just like I don't really care can you get

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here kind of thing and can you train like that's really the only requirements it's like can

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you do basic math and can you train and can you pass a drug test it's like that's pretty

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much all that it took and so you know I was going through a lot of this stuff and I was

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like I I remember there was a few quite a few days that I was quite dehydrated because I

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mean this is summertime in Texas this was August and not having water like I brought

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my own water but like a lot of times it wasn't wasn't enough like I remember there was one

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time like I even had to I was out there on the tarmac and how you fuel is there's these

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big like I'm sure you've seen on TV shows and stuff they're these big nozzles pretty

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much and they have two handles on them and a giant hose that goes down to the to the

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truck and most of the time you where the fuel is is underneath the wing and so you have

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to set up a ladder most of the time and you have to climb up this ladder and I mean don't

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get me wrong this thing is 4050 pounds which most of the time is not a big deal you just

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hoist that thing up there you lift it up there and whatnot but when you've been doing this

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all day and this is your 20th plane or whatever and you know it's really really hot whatnot

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and your dehydrated is all get out like I remember there was one time like my muscles

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just weren't having it like I was trying to lift it up there and like I could not get

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the nozzle to the to the point I had to call somebody to come over there and help me lift

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it up there because like my muscles were just give out like I mean it was just it was just

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bad and so I remember having a lot of that I remember even coming home like a few times

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like getting like sick because of the heat and like trying to it was one of those things

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like I try to call out the next day of like hey man I got too high yesterday and like

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I'm really just messed up and they're just like no no no we need you we need you we need

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you we need you and it's just like it's like you don't want to quit on your team do you

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you know and it was stuff like that it was like you don't want to which is sign number

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two anytime they say oh they make you feel bad or they're like oh well you're quitting

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on your team or you're quitting on your family whenever they use the word family that's how

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you know it's toxic continue and not just that but they would like use names they'd be like

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they'd be like they're like oh yeah well so and so is going to have to cover all of your

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stuff if you don't come in and that means he's going to have to work a 16 hour day and bro

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I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff if it means other people got to work well that means I'm

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going to suck it up and I'm going to get in there and work my share and so I end up still

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going and so anyways I keep working bro and so we get through the first we get to the

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first week they paid monthly so like they paid monthly which also sucks that's horrible

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yeah that really sucked and so but the first month's check came in and granted you also

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have to think so I just moved I get this job I've been working about three weeks at this

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point so it's not quite a month's paycheck but I need to pay my rent for my first month

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and the check bounces like the check bounces like straight away and so I was like what the

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heck bro so I went through this whole thing finally they got me a check that cleared but

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at this point like I was late and so I had this whole battle with my apartment complex

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to like take out the fees and the fines because it really wasn't my fault like it was more

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the job's fault and it was it was just like a really bad situation and not just that but

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again once they finally got me in a truck and everything they put me on the Southwest

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Airlines route at Austin which is one of the busiest out there and so it's really basically

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what it so part of the problem too was Austin was built like the Austin airport was built

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in an old Air Force base most modern airports have little ports in the ground with like

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a little cart that basically you know you can feel from the little port in the ground

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and they have big fuel systems and stuff like that the big modern airports and then even

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you know some of the smaller airports that have like fuel trucks it's not as far of a

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drive but Austin basically it had only one place where you could go get all the fuel

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for your fuel trucks and it was like three quarters of a mile away and so you'd have

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to go three quarters of a mile away and come back and so basically how it worked was it

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was kind of on you in your truck of okay you have to you know kind of say okay here's how

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much fuel I have left I need to go while I have a lull between this flight and this

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flight to go refuel or whatever and I mean there's been times where it's like man I'm

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really hoofing it because you you know you're like man my trucks tapped out the next flight

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literally pulling into the gate right now but I got to go back I got to go drive all

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the way over here and you know fill the truck back up like it was it was pretty stressful

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especially because I think I was 20 at the time and driving a 10,000 gallon truck like

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that was I don't know it's pretty pretty crazy and so it was it just got to be too much to

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where it was like man the heat I'm not getting water like I'm working my tail off and like

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and so it gets to be around that second month time frame of like because I remember that

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second paycheck was coming up because I really really needed that second paycheck of course

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what you get paid monthly you're like really looking for that check once once it's coming

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and so I remember that check was supposed to come in and again the check bounce because

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like I got like the physical paper check and again the check bounce and I remember being

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like man I this ain't worth it like I'm literally killing myself like I'm working 16 hour days

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three days a week like it's super hot out here like I'm not getting any water like I

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feel like I'm dying almost sometimes like I remember my my wife who was my girlfriend

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at the time she called me a Holocaust victim at one point because she said I look so bad

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that was going on is just like alright and so I remember the day I decided okay I'm

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going to quit it was because I was like I came into work and looked at the schedule

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and it was like okay it's just a regular 12 hour day so I worked a 12 hour day and somebody

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called in over the radio like right at the end of my shift and was just like yeah I'm

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gonna need you to stay like 16 hours and like like you're the rest the overtime shift and

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like I did not have it in me dude and I was just like yeah I'm not gonna do that so I

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did not say anything back to him and I drove my truck back and everything and I was just

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like yeah I'm gonna leave and pretend like I didn't hear that like I'm literally just

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gonna pretend I didn't hear that because they did have coverage it was just one of those

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things of like no we need you to stay and do this I was like yeah I don't think so and

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so I end up leaving and they tried calling me and they didn't get me so you know who they

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tried calling they tried to call in my emergency contacts like so they called they called my

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wife who's you know my girlfriend at the time she was at class at in the university at the

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time and she had to like step out like take the call they're like where's he got he was

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supposed to work his flight over time shift and all this other stuff and it's just like

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bro why are you calling his emergency contact like it was wild dude it was crazy like they

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were really really desperate over a shift and so I at that point I was just like nah

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bro like y'all are crazy I can't be dealing with all this stuff and it's like and I'm

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the checks are bouncing because like at this point I was still in dispute with them trying

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to get a correct check so it's like why am I working 16 hours for you to I'm like that

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was not so here's the whole thing and so when I decided to quit I went into Mr. Sweatman's

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office and I told him I said hey like this is not working for me the second check bounced

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like I'm really tired of fighting with this whole payroll deal I don't know what's going

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on and he's like well you do what you signed up for you knew what you signed up for with

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the overtime and the 16 hour shifts and things like I asked you if you wanted to work overtime

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and I said yeah I said I'd be willing to work a little bit of overtime but at the same time

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it's I'm not willing to work and not know about it it's like I got plans I got other

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things going on especially when you're talking about 12 hour shifts and to this point I've

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already like I think I'd work like three or four 16 hour days in a row to that point and

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I'm like I don't have it in me like I really I don't have I didn't have it in me it's just

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like you didn't tell me until the very end at all so it's just like I was out it's just

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not going to work and so I told him like yeah I'm out and I'm done and like basically he

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was just like thanks a lot thanks a lot because this really puts me in a bind this really

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puts me in a bind and it really costs us a lot to put you through training and everything

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and just like really put it on me and I was just like yeah well sorry about that.

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What's wild to me is that people don't realize like actually the less you work your people

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the longer they'll stay and the more productivity you'll get out of them but yeah I've seen

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all these memes where it's like you're in a job interview and they're like they're like

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are you an all-star because I only have all-stars on my team they make it like it's like this

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is the biggest thing in the world it's like if you don't you don't got what it takes it's

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like dude I'm working at Walmart like come on like they take their jobs really really

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seriously and then whenever you quit on them then of course they throw like a hissy fit

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and I'm like that's bad management and bad leadership and so anytime you're overworking

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your people yes there are going to be seasons where you have to overwork a little bit but

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when you're honestly overworking your people you're not going to get any productivity out

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of them think about it like when your engine's running hot in the car like it's not going

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to go as fast as if it just chills like you chill cool it down like give some time to rest

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and it'll work faster and better for you yeah it was and a lot of it was mismanagement because

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it was um what it was was he knew that he was like you know what if I get less people

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and I work them more time then that means that I can have less of a you know I could

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take more of the budget and do whatever with it right and so really and truly what it came

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down to was they could have had more people they didn't have to run the people that they

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had so hard but the kind of sad part about that job was a lot of the people who worked

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there um it was kind of like you had people like myself who came and went pretty fast

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and then you had the other people who had been there for 20 30 years who had seen it

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change hands like 40 times and like they were literally you would sit down with them and

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they'd be like yep I remember back when it was this company and it was just like oh

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you were there back then it's like oh yeah and like it's like changed 40 times you know

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and they just they've just been there the entire time they were even there when the airport

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was at its old location you know kind of crap and it's just kind of weird because there's

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both ends of the spectrum um about that and I don't know just kind of kind of interesting

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how that goes but yeah I would say I would probably say that was number two in toxicity

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like the coworkers that I had weren't bad it was more the management the management was

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just really they were slave drivers for sure very interesting so mine would probably be

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it's not it doesn't even make my Mount Rushmore but when I worked for Charles entertainment

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cheese the only thing that was toxic about it was they did overwork me and I was 16 years

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old so they would basically put me in the game room all by myself and then on the weekends

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they would only have two closing game room attendance and it was a big place and so for

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them to do all that like I wouldn't get out until like super late on the week nights like

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there were times where I wouldn't get out till like one or two in the morning like on a Friday

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night or a Saturday night and I again I don't know why my parents allowed me to keep working

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that job but I was raised to you know don't be a quitter and so then I knew that my junior

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year was coming up and so I was like oh man everyone's telling me junior year's gonna

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be hard there's no way I can keep my grades up and work at the same time and so because

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my grades they didn't slip terribly but I do know they were slipping a little bit yeah

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yeah it went from all A's to A's and B's whatever I wasn't trying as hard as what I'm saying

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but I would say and this will probably take up a good one but probably the most toxic

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place I've worked for is Boot Corral for sure.

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Boot Corral is probably the most toxic place I've ever worked for it only because we've

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talked about it several times but we talked about how the manager was just a straight

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up narcissist with play favorites and again it was one of those like oh well you're not

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selling good enough like there's a problem with you and so we talked a little bit about

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that but Michael do you want to kind of go a little bit deeper into why that place was

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so toxic?

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Yeah yeah so of course a lot of things go from the top down right and so you definitely

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have this happen from the top down and you had the main leader there what did we call

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him before?

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I don't even remember.

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We'll call him Jim.

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Jim?

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Yeah okay and then you had his little second hand right hand mate old Scott is what we'll

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call him and tall stream being a philip.

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And you know at first I remember so I guess we can kind of take it back at least for me

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when I first got the job so when I first got the job everything seemed okay.

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It seemed like okay everybody seems alright but then again I was just kind of playing

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football and then after practice or whatever then I would come by and I would tag all

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the tags that had already been printed out and put them in merchandise and then put the

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merchandise out.

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So you know you're seeing some of it you're not seeing a lot of it.

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The only thing that I saw was like okay there might be something with one of the female

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assistants and the main guy there old Jim.

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That was the only thing that was like okay maybe that's going on but it really wasn't

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until so Chris gets the job there and we were working with somebody else and I think where

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it started becoming really toxic was so we had that first receiver that was there old

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mudflip and she I don't know man it was like there was I just remember at that point there

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was a lot of work with not a lot of with not a lot of freedoms there where she would kind

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of hang out and that's where I kind of started seeing it where it was like it was more okay

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for certain people to hang out and have a good time versus you know us who were labeled

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the workhorses and you know now I don't know did you kind of feel that way at least because

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it was one of those type deals and that was one of his saying one of the type deals was

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one of those type deals where it was like if you don't get your work done because we

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worked Monday through Friday and it was usually nine to four nine to five and it was like if

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you don't get all your work done during the week you're gonna have to come in on Saturdays

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well I didn't know until I started learning how to receive the freight and stuff and how

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to print the tags I didn't know that this particular boss was dragging the workout on purpose so

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that they could ride the clock and so I just thought oh man every day is gonna be like

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this because when I first started I was working 12 hour days I was working from 9 a.m. to 9

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p.m. dude like it was it was nuts and so it wasn't until I started learning how to do that

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that I was like oh this is dragged out and so the some are the expectation we thought

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was if you if you don't finish your work you have you literally have to come in on a Saturday

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and finish it and I was like oh okay so I remember me and Micah showed up and we missed

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a Texas Tech game to come in and work and I remember that that boss mudflap didn't come

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in because of some family whatever and she didn't get in trouble like some family party

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or barbecue or something yeah she didn't get in trouble and I was like why is this person

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not getting in trouble and she would always go and walk and talk with all the other people

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we were made to just do all do all the work and I was just like what the heck why is this

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person not getting in trouble but then if someone else would go and talk and hang out

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with people they would get in trouble so it was always about like favorites it just all

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dependent on who Jim's favorite was so kind of kind of started seeing that there and then

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so some time progressed and so I end up getting promoted and go out onto the sales floor and

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that's where I really started seeing a lot of the toxic behavior coming out so I think

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really a lot of sales environments I see why they have commission based sales environments

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like Carla dealerships like these places I see why they have them but at the same time

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it does breed a lot of room for being toxic and so of course this manager Jim he was very

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much it was about the bottom line is about profits just like anything else but it was

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about who was the number one salesman who was getting the best sales it was constantly

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I mean I remember there being so many times as it being in sales it was not just like

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number one all time for that pay period or whatever it was like number one daily like

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it was a big thing of you got at a boys the next day because typically unless it was the

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holiday season old Jim's not staying past five six o'clock like he's he's on he's out

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but it's like the next day if you come in and you were the number one salesman the day

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before I typically got out of boys and stuff like that and so of course that's always where

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you want to be right with your boss you want to be in good standing with your boss but it

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was one of those things it was quite finicky and when you're always chasing that feeling

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it's always you know it's really really hard not just that but sometimes being number one

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is not even good enough that's not you know that's not good enough it's like there would

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be sometimes where there would be things called the house numbers which we've talked about

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this in the past before but that's basically all these sales that are happening that no

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salesman's name is attached to so they're not getting the commission for it so it's

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all going to house with no commission and that's a friend upon thing because technically

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in their minds they're thinking no salesman has talked to them or helped them so they're

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not getting the best customer service experience blah blah blah and so you know if those

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numbers were high man would that be used against you like a ton it would be I was going to

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say let me give you an example of how he would try to do this so say example if you sold

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twenty thousand dollars worth of merchandise in a day which that's a lot that's kind of

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unheard of right if you sold twenty thousand dollars worth worth of merchandise in a day

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and then for example the house sold I don't know ten thousand right like it not even beat

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you he would come up to you the next day and be like well I guess you don't want to be

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a salesman anymore like what are you talking about it's like why why hired salesman like

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I want winners I want sales people I guess you don't know how to be a salesman I guess

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I got to teach you how to be a salesman it's like what are you talking about it's like

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you only sold twenty thousand dollars yesterday it's like wow that's really good it's like

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no that's not good the house sold ten you should have sold thirty and it's like dang

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like it was constant like putting you down to make you feel bad and it was constant like

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okay you know you need to be you need to be working harder you need to be working harder

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and that sort of thing and what was also hard about that was there were there were also rules

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right and it was interesting because it was like the rules were followed but they were

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also broken all the time but we had rules between other salesmen basically whatever

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a customer would walk in the door you know it was kind of a we called it the up list

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like literally who's next up on the list kind of deal and you keep track amongst yourselves

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unless you were a jerk and there were those people out there that just took people who

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you know they didn't care but most of the time people followed the flow in the order

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and so the hard part is you know things happen to where you're helping people you're helping

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two three people say it's busy and stuff like that and somebody is like okay like people

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don't know you're working on commission like people don't know like oh yeah the salesman

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needs to walk up there with me with the stuff in order for them to get credit for it and

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sometimes like the hard part too as a salesman was in order to get credit for it we had these

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little cards and they had little barcodes on them and whatnot and so typically you go okay

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you're gonna take this stuff well let me take it to the front for you so you take it to

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the front you put your little card on there and boom that's how you get your credit but

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sometimes how it would work one you'd have people be like no no no that's okay like I'll

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carry it or I'm still deciding on what I'm what I'm looking for that sort of thing and

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say they decide while you're waiting on you know working with somebody else they could

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just book it right up to the front and pay and that's what's going to house right yeah

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you help them the entire time and I remember there was like a whole debacle at one point

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because sometimes if you see that sort of thing happen if you know the cashier you can

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like flag them down and say like yeah that's me and yet like they'll punch in your numbered

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like it's a whole thing but I remember that being a whole thing um but you know it wasn't

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like it was this easy thing and it wasn't like there was a lot of times where we're just like

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letting people go because we're being lazy a lot of times these house numbers was because

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we're running between a lot of different people um either that or what would really aggravate

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me too I don't know if this ever happened to you and one of the biggest reasons I didn't

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become a manager and not like I still didn't have to do it but I was always made to put

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out like sales promotions like these sales promotions like okay we're having a Labor

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Day sale or we're having whatever so we need to change the prices on all these things all

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the tags on all these things uh find these different styles on the racks and change the

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tags on them or put like sales stickers on there and you have to do this while you're

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selling like you have to do this while you're selling like you don't get to just like okay

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I get to do this little side task and whatever like you're not making any money doing this

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side task so you're having to sell and do that and so you're having to not only balance

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all these things but you have this boss who's telling you like hey you're not doing good

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enough because house because the numbers are so high and things like that and you should

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be selling more and he was the one that would make you do the side task exactly you'd be

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making you do the side task either that or like um I mean there'd be some sporadic random

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times too like it really and truly what it would be would be power trips but there'd

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be some some sporadic times like some of the things one of the sections that I had for

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a while was boots like men's boots and what he would do is he would go yeah I bet your

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section isn't good like that you always didn't want to catch have him catch you standing

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still like that was the thing too like it didn't matter if the store was so slow and

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like everything is fine you know and you're like I'm not making any money why should I

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be doing anything no you always want to be moving or screwing around or like trying to

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make it look like you're doing something because if he walks up to you and it would always

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pain me when like these rookies would be standing around like new salesmen they'd be standing

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around and this guy Jim would come over there be like I bet your section isn't done and he'd

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be like oh yeah it is and he's like oh yeah well let's go find out and it's like oh great

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and because it's not just going to be his it's going to be everybody else's too and

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basically what he would do is he would dump boots into the floor that weren't in the right

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place and make you clean them up and so it's like if your section wasn't good too like

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you're about to get it and then all of a sudden it's like well you're more veteran than this

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you should be showing these guys as an example of how to do things and like all this other

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stuff like man it was one of those things of like you didn't want to be caught slipping

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either like you you don't want to be caught slipping even on some dumb stuff it was also

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kind of going back to the airport job that Michael was talking about like Christmas and

401
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,000
Thanksgiving you could just forget about it because you couldn't take any time off and

402
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,280
so there would be a lot of college kids who'd be like oh yeah I'm gonna go home for Thanksgiving

403
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:54,400
or Christmas and like I I got sucked into it because I was like oh yeah no you're not

404
00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:01,360
I haven't gone home and and this amount of time to go see my mom or my dad for Thanksgiving

405
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,640
or Christmas and it was like oh yeah like if you're if you're really here and you want

406
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,720
it you're gonna be here for Thanksgiving and Christmas because those are the prime opportunities

407
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:15,160
to make money but like I don't know I mean I guess I understood why the stockers had

408
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:20,800
to be back there to help like put product out and help like re-tag stuff but at the same

409
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:26,800
time I remember like Black Friday was a huge huge thing of course as it is for any retail

410
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,920
thing but it was like yeah you don't take this time off and we really don't care about

411
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:37,040
your family I remember taking time off for anything like you better not even ask it was

412
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,000
it was not fun at all I remember we would get Thanksgiving day off but Black Friday we

413
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:48,240
would not and then Christmas we were open pretty much every day besides Christmas day and it

414
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:55,040
was it was pretty it was pretty bad and I don't know man it was I mean you're right it was

415
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,360
one of those things it's like if you want to take off you you're not dedicated you must

416
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:04,920
not want to make money like you must not want to you must not want to to move up in this

417
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,600
company and you know Chris and I we've talked about this on the side before but I think

418
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:15,480
where a lot of us got sucked into was this manager Jim and here's another bit of toxicity

419
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,600
as well is the promises to move up and then kind of dangling carrots in front of people's

420
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,880
face because like he did that to both of us and I know he's done that to a few other people

421
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,840
that I know of as well to where it's like you know I remember him telling us like you

422
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:36,680
could be the youngest manager in boot corral history like you could be the youngest manager

423
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,920
like they're talking about giving you their own store and I was and I mean you believe

424
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,800
them because it's like yeah I went to I went to these boot camps and like met the family

425
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:51,800
and like you know was was in with them and stuff like that so there's a likelihood oh

426
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,320
man you know I could be the youngest manager of a store and you know even though you have

427
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,640
hopes and dreams you're sitting here like why didn't expect something like this to come

428
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:05,000
this fast and you know managers not knowing any better right at 1920 years old you're

429
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:10,480
like managers are doing pretty good for themselves they're able to provide for their family and

430
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,960
you know stuff like that I can see myself in that position especially being the youngest

431
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:20,120
one ever like yeah absolutely yeah it was always one of those things were like wherever

432
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:27,440
I went I always somehow just got put in manager roles and so I did take the assistant manager

433
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,360
job and I remember like I had that I didn't have that job for long maybe it was like three

434
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,040
weeks before I was like yeah like I gotta get out of here because there was stuff going

435
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,400
on my personal life that was like yeah like this is just a bad environment for me if I

436
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,320
really want to do the right thing and I really want to be on the good path and so I remember

437
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,760
like my first mistake was telling deputy porkers and then of course deputy porkers told everybody

438
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,960
that I was gonna quit so then I remember going into the office and being like okay like

439
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,240
I'm gonna tell him that I'm quitting it's like I'll put my two weeks in and I remember

440
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,840
him like being like well he's like are you gonna quit on me tonight or what and I remember

441
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:12,800
like I had an hour long conversation and he did a lot of that thing of well you're just

442
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,200
you know throwing your life away you could have be the young you could be the youngest

443
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:22,000
manager and book around history and like you know there's all these things that you could

444
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:29,360
do and you're just throwing that away and I don't understand why you're doing this like

445
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,880
this isn't the right thing to do and I remember telling him like hey like in order for me to

446
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,600
really follow my faith and like to be on the good path like I gotta leave this place like

447
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,720
I have to like it's just not good for me to be around this type of environment I remember

448
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:48,840
him saying like he was like Jesus we're here he'd smack you upside the head and telling

449
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,600
you that you'd make that you're making a mistake and he also used the thing of like well I

450
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,320
guess I'm gonna have to stay and not be with my family tonight to help cover your shift

451
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,400
because I was supposed to be the closing manager and that's where I felt really really bad

452
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,240
kind of like Michael was saying and so I remember just sitting there thinking about it like oh

453
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:13,440
maybe I shouldn't quit and I remember like thinking like oh I feel so bad like and I

454
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,160
just told him I was like I'll work my two weeks like I'll do all that he was like no he's

455
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,880
like he's like we're gonna quit just quit now here's the papers he always threatened with

456
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:28,800
termination papers always that was a big thing and I remember like heavily considering staying

457
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,560
and then I remember he was like I'm gonna go to the bathroom and he was like he was

458
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,440
like when I come back you're gonna decide whether or not you're gonna sign this paper

459
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:40,800
or not and I remember as soon as he went to the bathroom like they're not that many times

460
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:47,120
that I've heard the Lord clearly speak like almost audibly but and I know this sounds

461
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,120
weird but I heard the Lord say like what are you doing still sitting here like it's time

462
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,560
for you to go like you need to get up and go and like I was like oh yeah I've already

463
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,920
stayed here way too long I remember just like signing the paper and I remember when he came

464
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:05,320
back he was like so what's it gonna be and I was like I was like sorry I gotta leave

465
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:12,560
and dude this is when I was working at the overnight job too like after cuz I had to

466
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:18,240
go to my shift at the overnight job actually no I was actually off that night and so I

467
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:25,800
remember like once I signed the paper I went home and I slept so good like I slept I woke

468
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,160
up and it was like the best sleep that I had had in a long time like it was I don't know

469
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:35,640
what it was but being out of that environment was like liberating and like I felt free I

470
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,200
I don't know if you felt that way whenever you walked out the door the second time but

471
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:48,200
yeah for sure and I mean one other part and I'll tell how I left too cuz of course it's

472
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:58,120
a big part of it but I think a big big thing to at least for me he would always like relate

473
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:05,320
you to other people how do I put that so like there was a dude who was like his number one

474
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:10,080
salesman for a little bit like end up dating this girl that was there and like all this

475
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:15,880
other stuff and basically he would he would be like yeah that was my fallen star kind

476
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,240
of thing and he would like relate me to him all the time he'd be like he'd be like yep

477
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:25,280
that's that's just how you're becoming and like cuz like the dude had like got strung

478
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,040
out on drugs and like all this other stuff and I remember him being like yep that's

479
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:35,200
how you're becoming just like that guy and it's just like in that kind of stuff like

480
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,000
he knew what he was doing cuz it would make you mad to the point where you'd be like no

481
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,240
I'm not and it would like make you I guess more or less fall in line with what he wants

482
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:49,320
you to do but it was one of those things to where the lifestyle that he wanted you to

483
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,880
live was like there's no way because it was too contradictory like it contradicted itself

484
00:42:54,880 --> 00:43:00,400
of what he wanted you to my question is sorry I don't mean to my question is do you think

485
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:06,320
and I felt this way but I think maybe you felt you probably felt more this way but he was

486
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,920
almost kind of like or tried to be like a father figure you know kind of like hey I'm

487
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:18,080
guiding you and like hey like you know you're gonna be like my prodigy like he would build

488
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:23,040
you up like that and you're gonna be like he tried to give you fatherly wisdom and you're

489
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,240
like man like it was almost like you're trying to chase the approval of your dad and you're

490
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:32,760
like man like I want to do what this guy tells me to do cuz like I look up to him in some

491
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:39,440
weird way yeah there was that and like even his his like storyline like the story that

492
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:46,000
he had like he had a dream at one point of like doing something else but like it ended

493
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:52,800
up falling out for him because he had like a medical problem and it was like okay so

494
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:58,080
I went and he was like scrubbing toilets for you know boot corral and like worked his way

495
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,480
for like scrubbing toilets all the way up to like having this you know me and I don't

496
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,160
know for a 19 20 year old you're like there's got to be some merit to that right especially

497
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:12,240
because in the environment that we grew up in tell me if I'm our own Chris but like hard

498
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:17,120
work and dedication and working your way to the top that was kind of the it doesn't really

499
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:22,160
matter what you did or like what level it was it could be you know Papa John's doing

500
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:28,120
pizza like if you worked your way from being scrubbing the toilet to work your way like

501
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:33,560
that meant something and that means you're doing something right and so I don't know

502
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:39,400
for me it was like okay this guy's obviously doing something right and again he'd like

503
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,920
when when I just met him he was like building a house on the edge of town right like a big

504
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:49,520
nice new house on the edge of town like he had two kids like a wife everything seemed

505
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:59,200
pretty cool and I don't know it I don't know it just it nothing nothing ever seems crazy

506
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:05,720
nothing ever seems bad about it at the moment right nothing ever seems like okay this person's

507
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:12,000
going to be really controlling and it it doesn't ever seem that way but it ended up being that

508
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:23,000
way I don't know it that whole thing is just kind of a crazy experience because it's those

509
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:29,800
people are that's what makes them so devious and what makes them so hard is because it's

510
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,800
they they make everything seem so innocent right I mean there were so many times kind

511
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,600
of like Chris was saying too there's been so many times in conversations that I had with

512
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:43,960
this guy to where you do believe that it's you right it could be the most outlandish

513
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,400
things that he's saying to you of like oh yeah well you're not doing right because of

514
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,880
this this this and you do believe that it's you because you're sitting here going well

515
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:58,680
that's true my sales would be better if I wasn't out here going on dates with so and so and

516
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,720
so and so and then you're sitting here going like wait why is this guy all up in my love

517
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:09,680
life like what does that matter about things you know what I mean like or you know it was

518
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:16,640
always just stuff like that and you think that okay he's out for my best interest because

519
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:24,720
okay he doesn't want me to fall into certain mistakes and wants me to be he wants me to

520
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:29,600
be you know the youngest manager or whatever but like the the end of the day I remember

521
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:34,160
the biggest thing that he would hold over or lease over my head was just like yeah if

522
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,800
it came down to it if they asked me today I don't know if I could give that recommendation

523
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,520
for you to be manager like I don't know if I could do that because the just the way that

524
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:50,520
you act and like some of the things that you do and like after a while it was just like

525
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,720
you know bro I don't think you were ever going to give me the the recommendation to begin

526
00:46:54,720 --> 00:47:01,360
with if you know what I mean like if you ever were then again knowing who he is he probably

527
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:06,920
would just because it's like if if it actually if he could have the youngest manager come

528
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:12,640
under from under his store like he would definitely do that no matter who it is and what it is

529
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:20,960
but at the same time I don't know it's just a lot of the promises were just not true at

530
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:27,480
all and a lot of it was just it was a lot of what we got it was weird because it paralleled

531
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:35,520
a lot of what we got in church some somewhat too and what I got at home as well there was

532
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,200
a lot of there was a lot of those tendencies that came out and I think that's why it was

533
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,320
so easy to get sucked into it because that's all you know like when you when you don't

534
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:49,640
know any better like you just don't you don't think oh like I should do better you think

535
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:55,440
that's normal you think everyone is out for your best interests and you are like oh yeah

536
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,200
he's obviously trying to help guide me like what he's good like he's doing this out of

537
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:05,480
the goodness of his heart but you don't know what that right he doesn't have to help you

538
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,560
don't know at that age that like oh yeah not everybody has your best intentions at heart

539
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:15,800
like he's just trying to manipulate you to do what he wants you to do and then like you

540
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:21,760
said to your point if I do succeed then he wants to take the credit for that and so you

541
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:27,200
just it's it's hard but I think that's some of the qualities that you recognize in toxic

542
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:32,680
environments and workplace environments is number one they expect you to make all of your

543
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:38,560
life about the workplace when it's like yes you should care about what you do but like

544
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:43,400
you need to have work life balance number two when they say oh yeah well works your family

545
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,880
anytime they say we're a family here that means that they want you to sacrifice your

546
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:53,160
family for something and there are workplaces where people do genuinely are a family and

547
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,200
they do get along but it's not like oh yeah well you're letting your brother down you're

548
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:02,920
letting you should be spending time here instead of with your actual family like and then you

549
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:11,760
know also playing favorites beating like using mind games to try to get you to make yourself

550
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,000
feel bad or to trap you into staying or make you think that there's nothing else better

551
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,640
out there because you're like if I do leave like what else is out there like I spent this

552
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,320
time being here and what's gonna happen if I leave and I'm scared of the unknown and

553
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:31,240
thinking about it but I like dude this is just a local boot store in Lubbock Texas but

554
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:36,280
it made it like it was like your world and it made it like it was everything like it

555
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:41,280
was so important I don't know why like I cared about all of those things in that in that world

556
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:46,040
like it was like me and make or break and I don't know why well and it's like and it

557
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:54,160
was its own little world too it was we we knew and it's kind of like this now but it's

558
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,240
like we knew all the managers from all the different locations and it's like oh yeah

559
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:02,600
you remember this guy from over there and then I remember this guy like for there for

560
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,520
a while I could talk to people like that like it was its own little world of like oh yeah

561
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,160
so and so was over at here and then I heard that so and so got fired over here because

562
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,560
that it's like oh yeah that was guy was an idiot over there and it's like you knew where

563
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:21,720
all the managers were and that's literally why they would call it being a lifer is because

564
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:28,200
a lot of these guys had been there for such a long time and had been managers there for

565
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:36,200
such a long time and it really is like getting stuck in a rut and just staying there and

566
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:42,520
I think there's for a little bit there is something kind of lucrative about it because

567
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:47,880
I think where it gets you or at least where it got me was as a salesman you make such

568
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,360
good money for what you're doing like for my age I was making really good money right

569
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,360
like I was making really good money and you're thinking oh man slinging boots that's not that

570
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,920
big of a deal and then you look at what the assistant managers are doing and you go oh

571
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,480
man I'm pretty much helping them out with everything and they're selling so they're

572
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,800
pretty much doing the same thing that I'm doing and then you look at what the general

573
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,320
managers doing you're like oh man that's not that hard I could do that stuff corporates

574
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,640
doing the ordering we're not even having to order the stuff for the store right it's like

575
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,480
so it's like I could do that too and so you get to the point where you're like oh man

576
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:29,040
I could see a clear path up and I think a lot especially in this day and age and especially

577
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,960
I mean it was a little less than that day and age but how many clear paths to quote

578
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:39,400
unquote success were there too that you saw because like that was a pretty quick way up

579
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,760
isn't it if you think about it it's like thinking about it too when you're all like oh yeah

580
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,680
I'm going to college it's like yeah I can still go to college but I also have it's a

581
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:53,200
guaranteed also path as well because with other places you're like I'm not sure how

582
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:59,240
do I move up and I think kind of to your point like you see these managers and like from

583
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:03,680
your perspective you're like oh yeah they've made it and they're doing great they're making

584
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:09,400
all this money they get to be around Western where and they get to party they get to have

585
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,240
fun still like it's just one big party but really from the outside looking in it's a

586
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:19,040
it's like a dead end career like I hate to say that like no shame to people that are

587
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,480
in that if you love it that's great but like a lot of those people in there like they just

588
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:28,400
were like well this is all there's going to be for me in life so right there's no other

589
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:33,600
there's no other place up from there like there's no other place like really the only

590
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:40,080
better meant you can get the only thing that's better is you can get a better store like

591
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,400
you know it's like okay the brand new store that's getting opened up in the prime location

592
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:49,560
like you have the chance of moving up to there if you want to like that that's kind of the

593
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:56,080
next move if there's anything but I guess at age 19 you're like oh man like there's

594
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:01,520
no quick success but man this is just a few years and you can be the manager store but

595
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:07,160
in reality that's the way that it made it seem but it's really not because I've spoke

596
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:12,360
to some folks and you know I hear about some things from from boot corral and things and

597
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,640
a lot of the people who or assistant managers who I thought for sure would have had a store

598
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:22,520
by now are still sitting in that same assistant manager spot you know what I mean and it's

599
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:27,080
like to this day like they're still there sitting in the system manager spot still having the

600
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:33,440
same stuff still don't have a store and it's just like man that's a long time to be sitting

601
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:38,560
and waiting to not have a store well you have to think too like there there's only so many

602
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:43,760
stores and like if you if they are lifers like the managers aren't going to move around

603
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,360
that much there's not going to be that much movement so whenever there is a brand new

604
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:53,440
store and they're not building as many stores now as they used to like you're kind of stuck

605
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:58,280
here in that spot like kind of the same thing was happening when I worked for the grocery

606
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:03,160
store like back when I first started it was that way a lot of people were locked at the

607
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:09,160
stores because like there wasn't a lot of movement then on the flip side of that they

608
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:14,280
started building all these stores and now everyone is getting moved around and like all the managers

609
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:20,000
are really you it was really quick to get promoted up well I say that but like it was

610
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,440
really hard for me just because I didn't play golf with the right people but like there was

611
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:29,520
a lot of movement and a lot of shuffling around so a manager would probably be at a store

612
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:35,000
for maybe six months like it wasn't that unknown like hey you're now the store managers they

613
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,160
stayed for a lot longer but like if you're trying to get up to that store manager level

614
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:45,120
like you can move up pretty quick. Absolutely and I think you're probably right and it's

615
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,560
probably because they haven't been building nearly as many storms as they or stores as

616
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,760
they've had in the past and so it's probably what it is and I think a lot of it it goes

617
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,600
back to what you were talking about too of it's that mind's eye of I'm sure a lot of

618
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:07,400
these people again no shade to these people because it's hard but you know if a lot of

619
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,520
these guys have been doing this since they were 18 19 years old right and they they come

620
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:16,520
fresh out of high school they were going to school you know some of them even dropped

621
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:21,120
out of school with the hopes of like okay I'm going to make bootcrow what I'm going to

622
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:27,520
do you know and then what do you do 10 years later still don't have a store but Western

623
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:33,720
where's all I know and it's definitely in this day and age I would say in the areas

624
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:39,800
that I'm talking about there are only a few major brands that's it like there are only

625
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:46,080
a few major brands and so this major brand that they're working for it's like you don't

626
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:51,080
also have too many places to go Western where wise if you did want to leave that environment

627
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:57,840
so it's I don't know it's it's definitely difficult and I'm glad that I'm out of that

628
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:05,320
and I think the final bit to this and I guess we can move on is it was it was very because

629
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:13,120
the top was so petty and so BS the rest was like high school man the rest of my our coworkers

630
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:19,120
it was like gossip city I mean it was really it was really really crazy and like people

631
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,960
are sleeping around with each other and like it was I don't know it's kind of the Wild West

632
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,120
but it sounded like high school I mean in environments like that man like you're like

633
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,720
people are bored and that's what they do like when you're bored you're going to gossip

634
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:37,680
about people you're going to you know sleep around like that's what it is that that's

635
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:43,160
also kind of a different it's just a different mindset versus like hey like this is my career

636
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,800
path I'm moving forward like yeah you see some of that in the workplace but like at

637
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:54,200
the retail and like fast food level like it's like well like this is just a job so I'm just

638
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,400
here so while I'm here I might as well make it interesting and it's probably a lot of

639
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:05,240
mindsets for people for sure yeah for sure but just to recap the way that I left was

640
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:09,440
I worked there twice and the second time that I worked there I was about sick and tired of

641
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:17,220
it we were about to go through another holiday season and so I remember we had always had

642
00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:21,920
a meeting it was an infamous meeting every year was the Black Friday meeting and it was

643
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:27,120
always after work and so it would be nine o'clock they would shut the doors and count

644
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,200
the cash and then we would have this meeting and I remember every year we would tell everybody

645
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:37,400
like don't ask Jim any questions like shut up like everybody shut up you don't have any

646
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:43,200
questions for the love of God if you want to ask questions ask me afterwards because

647
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:48,000
I've been through a few of them like ask other people but don't ask him questions because

648
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:57,080
literally we're all trying to go home you know and so I had some ongoing issues I had

649
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:03,080
actually bought my wife now who is my girlfriend I brought I bought her a promise ring and I

650
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:10,840
had never bought anybody a promise ring and this guy had basically told me while you she's

651
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:15,200
cheating on you and you should know that and like when in this whole speech about that

652
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:23,240
whole thing which I thought was BS and I was pretty upset about that naturally and so he

653
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:27,720
had said something about like oh yeah well if you're questioning about coming back you

654
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:32,520
might as well just like not come to work tomorrow so I didn't go to work that day and I thought

655
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:38,520
to myself well great that means I don't have to go to this stupid meeting too and you know

656
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:43,560
I figured in that environment because of a lot of the way that he talked about things

657
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:48,080
if you don't show up I figured I was fired right because he's he would say things like

658
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:52,800
well if you're gonna do that you might as well not show up tomorrow aka like you're fired

659
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,760
right so if I didn't show up I thought I was fired so he gives me a call like that evening

660
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,920
it was like hey so you didn't show up for your shift today and I was like nope I didn't

661
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:07,160
and he was like well why don't you come to the meeting tonight and we'll talk about it

662
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:12,560
and I was like wait like I'm not fired and he's like no no no like it's fine like I obviously

663
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,480
we have like this is the other part too he would kind of play nice for a little bit and

664
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:21,760
he'd be like all you know obviously we're having problems and I just want to get some

665
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:27,120
things straightened out because you know it's gonna be a busy holiday season I just want

666
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,760
to get some things straightened out and you know it would always give you this like false

667
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:37,120
sense of okay maybe he's gonna play ball like maybe he's gonna play ball like maybe everything's

668
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:42,800
gonna be cool right and so I remember going up there and he always had this like infamous

669
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:48,480
thing where he'd be like he would call employees to his back office and so he'd be like Chris

670
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:54,920
to the back or bike up to the back and so the moment I walked in there bro like his office

671
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,920
had these little blinds and I remember watching him like look through those little blinds when

672
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:04,520
I walked through the doors of that place and he like called me to the back and everybody

673
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:09,760
like looked at me like oh shoot it's it's about to happen I was like yep and so I went back

674
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:15,480
there and man I got reamed but not showing up and how I didn't care about this place

675
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,120
and you know all the typical stuff we've been talking about this entire time just raving

676
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:24,840
me and you know did the whole thing about like you know what if you want to sign paperwork

677
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:30,280
like we could do that right now and all this other stuff and I was kind of like Chris I

678
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,800
was kind of in and out of it like man because you're looking at the holiday season going

679
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:39,320
man I'm about to give up on a lot of money because that's what it is like the holidays

680
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,160
where you make all your money so it's like man do I really want to give up on all this

681
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:49,200
money or and not because basically the whole thing he was trying to tell me at the time

682
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,200
was like if I don't have a number one salesman and you like you might as well quit because

683
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,680
like that's the whole reason I hired you for that's what you should be doing this holiday

684
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:02,840
season it's like if you're not in it with the heart of being a number one salesman like

685
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,680
and at the time I was pretty burnt out to the point where I was like you know number

686
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:12,440
one salesman or not I really don't care I'm just gonna sell what I'm gonna sell and he's

687
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,680
like if you don't have the heart of being a number one salesman like you should get

688
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,800
out whatnot and so like I was honest with him was like man I don't know if I got all

689
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:24,560
that in me and everything and he's like well it's either you it's like you commit through

690
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:29,760
the new year or you sign paperwork and all this other stuff and and like he got into

691
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:34,360
it what really got me is when he got into it about me and my girlfriend which is now

692
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:41,240
my wife and I remember calling my buddy who used to work there good ol Adrian was like

693
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,320
hey man like this what's going on was like I don't know if I should walk out right now

694
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:50,440
and he was just like dude you don't owe them nothing like walk out of that place and so

695
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:54,520
I remember walking back in there and was like all right I'm gonna sign paperwork and I'm

696
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:59,720
gonna leave and he was like oh yeah you gotta do that come with me and like he takes me

697
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:04,880
in front of everybody that was sitting there for that little black Friday meeting and he

698
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:09,200
announced in front of everybody he was like Mike had decided he wants to sign paperwork

699
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,560
and be a quitter and quit on all of us and quit on the whole team and go so I brought

700
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:18,000
a whole stack of paperwork if anybody else wants to follow him you're more than welcome

701
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:24,640
to and I signed the paperwork in front of everybody and I looked at him and I stuck my hand out

702
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:31,640
and said you know thank you for all the opportunities you've ever given me and everything like that

703
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,800
he said take a couple steps back I took a couple steps back and he shut the door of

704
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:42,080
my face and locked it didn't even shook my hand and I left and I just remember everybody

705
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:46,280
in the crowd looking shocked of like oh man he's actually quitting it's like yep I'm

706
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:52,320
actually quitting and but no I do understand what you mean about having a great night's

707
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:59,360
sleep and bro my parental units were so mad that I quit that job like I think between

708
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:07,480
the toxic boss and them oh my gosh they were so mad I quit that job like I couldn't I I

709
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:14,520
literally got a job the next day like I put up my resume the next day and got a call back

710
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:19,960
the next day got an interview the next day and they're like yeah we want you to start

711
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,720
like full on got a job that quickly and they were still upset they're like can't believe

712
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:30,040
you left that job yeah well they had some other issues that they need to work out for

713
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:35,560
sure so quick rabbit hole why why specifically were they upset that you just quit quit the

714
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:40,240
job was it the fact that you just quit or was it that they have a reason so they were mad

715
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,760
that I just quit and they were mad because the amount of money that I was making they

716
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:49,280
were like oh you were making such good money why did you why did you quit and do that and

717
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,120
I think part of the reason they were mad is because I was paying for my own college like

718
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:58,320
I was paying for South Plains because of going there and so I think that was part of the reason

719
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,560
they were mad but they were mad because they were like you had such good status like you

720
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:08,080
knew the owner's family like and because they were all they I don't know if I ever told

721
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:12,360
you this but they didn't really believe that I knew the owner's family and like worked with

722
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:18,840
them until you know the whole owner's family is from the same area that that like my grandfather

723
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:25,000
was right and so like one of the family members knew the family and like ran my name across

724
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,320
him was like oh yeah we know him good kid all this other stuff until like the whole family

725
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:34,320
was like oh yeah you all know him like he knows the owner's family you know how prideful

726
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,240
they could be like oh yeah he knows the owner's family and all this other stuff yeah they were

727
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:45,800
like oh well well we raised such a great son and they again they were without getting into

728
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:50,360
detail they were just like old Jim where it was like oh yeah you're successful we're going

729
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:56,240
pretty much when yeah that's a whole another rabbit hole I won't get into it I'll keep my

730
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,880
mouth shut no I know it's hard not to get into but pretty much yeah that's what it was

731
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:04,760
that's what it was it was just like man he knew why would you why would you leave you

732
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:09,040
knew the family like you were in with them good like you could have moved forward with

733
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:13,720
them and it's just like bro I've got I've got dreams and aspirations that are bigger than

734
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:18,720
all that you know what I mean like it's just like I wasn't the end all be all for me for

735
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:24,200
sure and they did not like that at all did not like that at all anyways man so we can

736
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:29,000
move off of that one if you want I've got another toxic work environment we can talk

737
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:35,040
about if you want yeah sure yeah we'll do one last one and then we'll wrap it up I didn't

738
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:39,040
realize that we we could do multiple free flows about toxic work environments but here

739
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:47,080
we are man I think I've told you about this before but good old Papa John's pizza bro

740
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:52,600
was that place toxic oh my gosh have you ever worked for a pizza place or anything like

741
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:58,560
that besides Charles entertainment cheese no no I never made the pizza nothing that

742
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:03,480
I've only ever worked for Charles entertainment cheese the only mouse I'll ever work for man

743
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:08,960
I'm telling you hey you might not have worked for you might have only worked for one mouse

744
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:19,040
but you've worked for a few rats hey anyways yeah no all I'm saying is man so number one

745
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:26,680
this is a sign of real being toxic Papa John himself is not a very good person what's his

746
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:34,160
name old John whatever he's Snyder or whatever he is not a good person like the first sign

747
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:40,080
of you know it's gonna be toxic is the videos they show you with training it's like all

748
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:45,440
about his story like over and over and over again I remember they gave us a quiz of like

749
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:51,960
you have to answer at least 80% about his story and about how it started in like his

750
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:56,720
I don't know his dad's whatever his little pizzeria and he sold his car and re-bought

751
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:03,040
his car and all this other crap so I my thing is they like praise this guy and I understand

752
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:09,080
like it's named after him but it's like geez and so it was constantly about him right

753
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:16,800
and to I'm glad that they went scientific with it but really why did the delivery drivers

754
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:23,000
need to know about the scientific bits about the crust they're like they're like that you

755
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:29,400
would have to know and have to answer questions about what kind of yeast and what kind of

756
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:35,640
molecular compound is in their dough in order to make it rise and all this other crap and

757
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,400
I'm just like bro I'm gonna be a delivery driver you think I care about what's gonna

758
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:45,040
be in the crust but you had to like answer all these questions the other part that made

759
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:52,000
it really toxic was the manager who worked there first of all never trust a dude who's

760
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:57,160
allergic to his job like this dude was legitimately allergic to his job when he was making the

761
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:01,520
pizza he would break out in hives because you know that powder when they're like tossing

762
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:06,320
the pizza dough and stuff that he was allergic to that so literally he would break out in

763
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:14,840
the hives and but the other thing was what's in common with all these managers was bro he

764
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:20,280
was like I don't know I guess you know how they say drinking the Kool-Aid this dude was

765
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:26,680
drinking the pizza sauce like this dude was straight up like Papa John's he loved it he's

766
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:31,360
just like you know what if you work hard enough you can work your way up to being a manager

767
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:37,240
just like me and he they even had like displayed this whole thing it was in the shape of a

768
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,080
ladder and it was just like the ladder to success and it's just like you could be the

769
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:48,640
delivery driver to the whatever and this dude he had worked because it was in a college town

770
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:55,200
this guy had worked through his college and just decided he got his degree like he full

771
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:59,600
on has his degree but he just decided now I'm just gonna keep on working at Papa John's

772
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:05,560
and and be the manager and so that's what he ended up doing but he was like literally

773
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:09,320
allergic to the darn thing so he was like broken out in hives and swollen up all the

774
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:21,960
time and I remember so he the biggest part that was crazy about him was he would pick

775
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:29,760
every single day who would do what jobs right and I remember like he would pick me to do

776
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:38,920
like restocking the sodas but he knew that I also was like good at doing dishes like

777
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:43,800
the dude he would always choose to do the dishes would always make us stay late because

778
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:50,480
when we would close we would close at 12 a.m. and this dude would always take so long because

779
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:54,600
you know we'd have we'd be mopped we'd have everything stocked up this dude would have

780
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:59,640
all the dishes pile up and he would wait to the end of the night but this manager would

781
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:04,800
always put him on there and so like I kept begging this dude I was like please just put

782
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:09,560
me on dishes like if we're gonna close can you put me on dishes because like as they

783
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:16,040
come out and as they're dirty like I'll wash them as it goes because he was also the kind

784
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,640
of guy that would sit there and just like listen to his headphones the entire night

785
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:24,760
and then let the work pile up and then we're the ones having to suffer for it and so I

786
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,960
end up doing it one night get it all done and everything and everybody's like wow we're

787
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,880
actually leaving on time and everything like that did he ever pick me do dishes ever again

788
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:40,880
nah dude he sure didn't he picked this other guy and I just it was like stuff like that

789
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:46,680
and so like I confronted him one time and was just like bro like why can't we you know

790
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:52,520
if other people are more efficient at certain things why why shouldn't we why shouldn't

791
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:56,640
we do that he's like I'm the manager first of all so I make the rules and he's like

792
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:01,080
in two he needs to learn how to be better at doing the dishes that's why I keep giving

793
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:07,040
him the opportunity to do that it's like yeah but you're not telling him hey you're being

794
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:11,320
a problem and you need to do all the dishes first and foremost because like this manager

795
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:15,720
would go home before the end of the night so he's not over there standing yelling at

796
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:20,640
him and saying hey you need to get all this stuff done and need to like work as you go

797
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:26,280
and so like he's not the one dealing with it and bro I remember after that he got like

798
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:31,120
really mad he's like I'm tired of everybody questioning my authority and like he got like

799
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:36,840
super mad it's just like dude it's just because we can outline the jobs a little better we

800
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:43,720
can do all this other stuff really better but on top of all of that man there was a hurricane

801
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:49,880
coming and you know we live about three miles inland from the coast which you know by the

802
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:54,680
time things get to us it's tropical storms stuff like that and so Hurricane Harvey was

803
01:11:54,680 --> 01:12:02,680
coming and this town was right on the river and so we were like this guy was like yeah

804
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:08,600
we're not going to close like we're not going to close and I remember all of us in the shop

805
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:13,160
were like dude we're right next to the river like it's going to flood out like you probably

806
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:17,480
need to close he's like no no we're not going to close so the sheriff of the town comes by

807
01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:22,160
and says hey we're urging everybody in this area to close because it looks like it's going

808
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:25,520
to be a lot of water and it's going to flood and everything so we need you to we're going

809
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,080
to need your clothes and he's like no we're not going to close but we're going to put

810
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:34,840
up sandbags and so I remember we were out there and he had the delivery drivers in the

811
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:39,760
back alley there was like gravel back there which by the way doesn't work very good for

812
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:48,720
sandbags but he was like having us pull like fill the two liter plastic bags with gravel

813
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:54,600
from the back alley and stacking it around the doors like that would have done anything

814
01:12:54,600 --> 01:13:02,560
and and so it was like that happened the day before the storm and so end up what happened

815
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:07,280
the storm hits and it starts raining and everything and I'm looking at reports online and things

816
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,520
like that and there's some streets that are flooded and things like that and I'm in a

817
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:15,280
very low car so I called in I told him I was like listen I'm not coming in especially

818
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:19,600
it's supposed to keep raining if you remember Hurricane Harvey it rained for three days

819
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:23,480
like it rained for a few days and so I told him like the first day I was like listen I'm

820
01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:27,960
not coming in it's supposed to rain a few more days and he's like no like yeah it's

821
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:32,040
a little flooded but it's not that big of a deal like I expect you to come in I'm just

822
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:37,800
like no I'm calling in he's like okay so the second day comes in like it's even more flooded

823
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,680
like it's even more flooded everything standing and everything so I called him and he's like

824
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:46,760
listen I got people out there running in it right now like there's no excuse like you

825
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,960
either come in or I'm taking your name off the schedule and I was like well you can take

826
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:56,480
my name off the schedule and that's all left that job man but they were they were really

827
01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:03,160
tough dude like I even remember I only try to take off one day off from them and that

828
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:07,440
was to move I had to move from one place to the other and they denied it and it was I

829
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:12,280
remember asking them three weeks in advance was like a can I take this day off and they

830
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:16,960
were like nope they didn't even look they're like nope they're like it's football season

831
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:22,160
you need to be prepared it's like we have too many people that are gonna need pizza

832
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:27,120
that day yeah it sounds like the sounds like the guy was not a good leader and did not

833
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:32,840
listen to other people that's a simple fact that the sheriff told him to close the doors

834
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:37,520
and he was like now we're gonna stay open and it's like man like that's that that is the

835
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:43,480
sign of a good leader if you are able to listen to other people even your own team who say

836
01:14:43,480 --> 01:14:50,360
hey like Johnny over there is way better at this maybe he should be on you know prep

837
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:54,920
or whatever and being like you know what you're right like and not having a big enough ego

838
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:59,040
to where you're like no I'm gonna decide it and then you're making the decision just to

839
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:03,080
throw your weight around that's not a good leader like a good leader is collaborative

840
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:09,600
and listens to his team and so yeah that's what makes a good leader and man definitely

841
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:16,040
toxic workplaces are for real and sometimes you sometimes everyone has hard things at

842
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:21,280
at their job and at their places and so you got to determine like is this place toxic

843
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:26,320
for me because what may be toxic for you isn't toxic for someone else someone else can maybe

844
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:32,680
drive in it and so you got to ask yourself like if this is causing me to physically

845
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:38,960
emotionally or mentally like take a toll on me and it's not good for any of those then

846
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:44,400
you need to assess like hey maybe I should find something else or take a break or whatever

847
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:49,800
that is and so I think that's kind of the I don't know would you agree or is that you

848
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,800
know as we're wrapping up is that the advice that you would give yeah no absolutely it's

849
01:15:53,800 --> 01:16:00,600
a lot like man it's weird because toxic workplaces are a lot like relationships there's a lot

850
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:05,680
of times where you have a lot of work put into it and so you think to yourself okay maybe

851
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,520
I should write it out and whatnot but it's like if you're not happy you're not happy

852
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:16,320
and you know there's so many people I've never really heard people who have left and went

853
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:22,920
to another job especially like boot crowd being a an example I know a lot of people

854
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,680
who are on the other side of boot crowd that we work together really cool people but now

855
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:32,080
they're doing other things and they sit there and they think oh my god I'm so happy that

856
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:38,000
I left right I'm so happy that I'm I'm not there anymore and again we've talked about

857
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,760
other people there are other people that are still there right that have been there all

858
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:46,760
this time and I'm not saying that they're not happy people but you never know they might

859
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:53,160
be so much happier you know what I mean I know a lot of other people it a lot of times

860
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:57,200
is just taking the jump there's a lot of times is just taking the jump so yep and so we're

861
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:02,400
not telling you to quit your job to borrow definitely think about it process if you feel

862
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:09,080
like you need to take that step make a plan make a plan that's the biggest thing the only

863
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:14,960
time I ever jumped with my job was boot corral doing that but again it was you know that

864
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,000
wasn't a career thing and that wasn't something that was just like oh man I don't know what

865
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,800
I'm gonna do with my finances right so it's like you always want to think about that sort

866
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:28,440
of thing but if you're unhappy yeah definitely take a look and try to see what opportunities

867
01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:32,600
are out there for sure so we've had a great episode talking about toxic workplaces I'm

868
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:37,400
sure maybe we can do another episode here in the future but we're so glad that you guys

869
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:44,160
joined us for the ride follow us on the trash can network the aviator society if you love

870
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:50,080
planes all the good stuff anything else you got to add to that that's pretty much it man

871
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:54,680
I mean it's all it's all fun stuff you like planes and all that good jazz we got daily

872
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:59,960
flight racks going on too so if you ever like to track planes I always like to put some on

873
01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:05,560
there that are like 12 hours plus so it's always cool seeing that I don't know it's always

874
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:09,520
interesting being at work or doing whatever and being like oh man this thing just took

875
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:14,000
off and now it's halfway across the world it's pretty interesting so but that's that's

876
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:22,840
all I got man well you know what's not toxic the starship and the starship is here and

877
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:42,960
this has been the donut box podcast

878
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:57,520
it's too good to be true standing here besides you won't so much to give you the love in

879
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,400
the heart that I'm feeling for you.

880
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:01,560
Let them see we're crazy.

881
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:02,560
I don't care about that.

882
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:03,560
Put your hands in my hand baby.

883
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:04,560
Don't ever look back.

884
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:06,560
about that.

885
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,560
Put your hands in my hand, baby.

886
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,560
Don't ever look back.

887
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:16,560
Let the world around us just fall apart.

888
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:21,560
Baby, we can make it if we're heart to heart.

889
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,560
And we can build a street together.

890
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,560
Standing strong forever.

891
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:35,560
Nothing's gonna...