So, Micah, I have to add another chapter or another saying to the man code book.
I gotta add it.
What's the new man code?
I'm sure it's one of these unwritten ones that nobody talks about but should be in place
or already is, but what is it?
What's up?
Man code number 157.
A man shall not let another man put license plates on his car.
I was at the dealership trying to get my license plate and they were like, yeah, we can get
this service guy to put them on for you and I'm like, nah, I'm okay.
They're like, are you sure?
And I was like, nah, I'm not gonna let another man put my license plates on.
That's not right.
You should be able to put your own license plate on your car.
Listen, man, it's a couple screws.
It's like, give me the license plate.
I got it, you know, and here's the thing.
I think that's a test of anything, right?
And what I don't like about dealerships is they be making assumptions about you.
They'd be like, oh, I don't think this guy really does it.
It's like, bro, Ben, give me that license plate.
I've got me a Phillips head in the car.
It's like, I will literally put that thing on right now.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I was thinking about that.
I was like, that's one that needs to be added to like the man code.
The same thing about like not talking to each other in the urinals.
That's one that needs to be added is like, nah, you're not gonna let another man put your
license plates on.
And I know you may be thinking, that's toxic, masculine, you know, it's not, you should
be able to put two screws on the freaking license.
Now what do you say about like changing your own tire?
Like for me, like call AAA for other things, but changing your own tire, no, sir, like
I feel like you should be able to do that on your own, especially if you got a spare
and everything's in right working order, which again, that's also a test.
It's like being prepared in those moments.
Yeah, I think so, unless it's in the situation where the bolt is just too tight and it won't
come off the car, then yeah, like maybe get some help getting the bolts loosened.
But just to sit there and watch somebody else change your own tire for you.
Yeah, you need, you need some help.
You need to let everyone should be able to learn how to change a tire.
I don't care if you're a guy or a girl, everyone should know.
We're extending if you're driving a motor vehicle, you should know how to do it.
I'm going to extend this for another two seconds.
My thing is, have you ever sat there and like maybe it's my ego, but like I will try that
bolt for hours before I call somebody.
Like, I know that's pretty bad, but it's like, it's like, listen, I'm going to get this
thing off and a lot of times it just takes a lot of persistence, but like I've been there
for a long time doing that.
I don't know about you.
Oh, I usually use like physics.
So I kind of get the, the, if it's that, that crowbar, I get it to where it's like kind
of at like the poker point and then I just kind of like jump on the, but I'm a, I'm
a kind of a lighter guy.
So I just jump on the thing and then it usually loosens up for me.
Man, I've had that, but I've had rusted bolts too.
And I'm telling you, it's been a combination of doing that in WD 40 for a long time.
And it's not a fun thing.
Well, I'm Chris and I'm like, and this is the donut box podcast.
Welcome to another week, another episode.
What's shaking?
You know, I had a Ted talk for the elderly this week.
That was kind of interesting.
Not really a Ted talk, but I gave them a little seminar about cybersecurity.
Yeah.
A seminar about cybersecurity.
And I think they understood it because it started a fight.
So that was great.
Oh, you're going to have to expound on that.
Man.
So I was actually explaining cybersecurity and AI and we get into the subject of AI,
at which of course, you know, AI is kind of that weird thing that not a lot of people
understand, but you hear a lot of things about.
And so I kind of just went into a brief deal, showed them chat GPT, kind of some of the
features that it had, and immediately the room broke into two camps.
One was why would we even need that kind of stuff that takes away from creativity?
What about kids even learn it nowadays?
And then the other side of the room is like, Hey, that's pretty cool.
That would have saved me so much time at work.
Do you know how many letters I had to type on the typewriter and how many things I had
to dictate and all this other stuff.
And it's like, you're telling me you could just put it in this machine and it does all
that for you in just a few seconds.
It's like, yep, I am.
And they just, they were mind blown by that.
So yeah, it was, it was like, I guess, I guess it went well.
And these people are stingy, man.
They will walk out on you if it's not good.
So it's like, I, nobody walked out.
So that was like, I, I consider it went pretty well, I guess I'm going to be on that personal
care home tour very soon.
You know what I mean?
All across the country.
Yeah.
The gray hair comedy tour.
I love it.
Set up the blue collar comedy tour.
It's the gray hair comedy tour.
Yeah, it's great.
But man, we have a really good podcast this week.
We're back to our free flow and we're just chilling, man.
We're chilling.
And what we're having today is, you know, I don't know how you formatted yours.
We've been just kind of asking each other questions and interviewing each other.
I've really formatted mine with, would you rather questions?
I've got a bunch of those and I know you got some questions for me too.
So man, do you want to get cracking?
Yeah.
I'm kind of a thought-provoking, more thought-provoking questions for you.
And again, Mike and I have been friends for 21 years, but there's always stuff I get to
learn about him.
And I'm pretty sure I've asked this before on a previous podcast.
So if I have, please forgive me.
But what is something that people like underestimate you on?
Like they, you're like, hey, like I usually put people, I prove people wrong about this
about me.
I think a lot of times it's being too nice or like people take my kindness for weakness,
I guess.
I have that happen like a ton.
And so I think for me, it's because he's nice, he's just going to let whatever fly.
And yeah, that don't happen.
It's like, especially over the years, I've learned how to lay down boundaries and say,
nope, we're not going to let that stuff fly.
And so I think that's one of the biggest things about me.
And then something else that I've had randomly.
I've had four people in my life randomly just be like, you know, you have a face that I
just want to punch.
I don't know why.
And like people have just told me that.
So apparently I have a face that people just want to punch.
That's something, something else on top of that.
Is there like a skill set that maybe you have that people are like, oh, wow, I didn't know
Micah could do that.
That I know of?
No, not really.
I think, man, I think everybody on the podcast knows pretty much everything.
I pretty much just love planes and football.
It's kind of, it's kind of the two main deals.
Like there's a few side things, but like anything else, I don't know if there's like any hidden
talents there or anything.
I will say there is one thing that people kind of underestimate you on.
And please, I hope you take this as a compliment, not as an insult, but I think people underestimate
how like intelligent you really are.
It's not that like you come off as dumb or anything, but like when you look at you, you're
kind of like, oh, this is this nice and goofy guy, but they don't really know how intelligent
you are until they start talking to you for a while and start getting to know you.
So I think that's something that people underestimate you is how smart you really are and how intelligent
you are and kind of how your brain works a little bit different.
What are you saying?
I look stupid or something?
No, I'm joking.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm just giving you a compliment.
No, I'm joking.
That's cool.
I know I totally get you.
It is very true.
There are a lot of people that for some reason do underestimate how intelligent I could be
and things like that, which I mean, they're lost.
But what about you, man?
What do you feel?
I think maybe I've said this before, but people when I get like on a microphone and speak,
people are like, wow, I didn't know that came out of him.
And it's like, yeah, they just kind of underestimate me and that or just like my ability to, I
guess, achieve things just from looking at me.
I guess because I'm a smaller guy, because I'm quiet, a lot of people would think, oh,
yeah, that guy is kind of just maybe on the back burner.
But I feel like I've kind of been underestimated my whole life.
And especially when I worked with little guys, movers, people underestimated how strong I
really was.
They were like, oh, yeah, there's no way you're picking that up.
You're going to struggle.
And I don't know how you can lift that.
And then I would lift it every single time.
And so I think that's one thing that people, people also underestimate the thug and me,
boy, that Atlanta comes out sometimes, bro.
It just comes out and I can't help it.
People would look at me like, oh, really?
And it's like, I didn't know he jammed a TI like that.
I didn't know he jammed usher like that.
And I'm like, yeah, man, I jam him like that.
It's because you got so much talent on the stage, but at the same time, you could be
chill outside of that.
And it's cool because you're multi-dimensional and not a lot of people are.
What you see is what you get from a lot of people.
And so kind of having, I wouldn't say multiple faces, because of course, the whole two-faced
thing sounds bad.
But you know what I mean, just having you on the side versus professional you and can
delineate those things, that's a talent a lot of people want to have and don't have.
So that's good.
But I will say this, on your strength, jeez, I will attest to this.
This man is pretty dang strong.
I've moved with him a few times.
And I mean, he's got, you look at him and he does have little stature, but dude's all
muscle.
I mean, I don't think you got an ounce of fat on your body.
It's just all muscle.
And the thing is, it's all about technique too.
And you know, I think that just different things that we've done, like with the church
and stuff like that taught us technique over the years.
And I think that really helped over time.
But yeah, like this dude's strong.
Like a lot of people underestimate that.
Let me ask just one more follow-up question.
What would you say your superpower is?
Like, if you say, man, I'm really good at X, this is my superpower.
Man, we've kind of, we've kind of talked about this.
And I know this sounds kind of weird, but like, call it gift of prophecy, call it whatever.
But like, man, my gut is really wrong.
And that's, I don't know, gift of perception or like gift of kind of knowing what's around
the corner.
Now I'm not sitting here saying like, Oh, I can predict the future.
Now I wish that'd be great if you could predict the future and stuff like that.
But no, I can't do that.
But it's just one of those things through a series of maybe dreams or feelings or things
like that.
You kind of see what's coming around the corner and what's, I don't know.
Like, and for me, I feel like that's kind of, I don't know if that's necessarily a talent,
but it's definitely helped me over the years.
I would say that.
And like, if I had some, if I had to say like, yeah, that's something that's really strong.
And again, it's just really benefited me over the years, almost like a superpower.
Definitely that.
For the first, would you rather question?
So you went for deep philosophical questions.
I'm just, would you rather, would you rather always have to go places and sing instead
of speaking or dance everywhere you went?
Oh, that's a tough one.
Maybe dance because I'm like, the singing is like if a high school musical.
Man, nobody.
Yeah.
Music rules were like a real life thing.
And you just all of a sudden break out in a song.
That gets on people's nerves.
Like more, more than dancing does.
Trust me, we've all been in the water burger at 10 o'clock after a theater shows let out
and all the theater kids are singing their crap.
We've been there.
We don't want to see it anymore.
Like I know what you mean.
Yeah.
No, I get you.
I think for me, I think it's probably the same thing.
I'm a terrible dancer.
I'm also a terrible singer.
So you know, it's kind of a pick your poison, but at least singing, I feel like I'm more
embarrassed about if I have to sing in front of people, I'm way more embarrassed about
that than having to dance in front of people.
I can kind of make some stuff up on the fly dancing wise.
Cool.
They'll back to switching gears back to the serious question.
I think we're going to be a good cop, bad cop or serious cop and silly cop today.
But yeah, I guess.
That is something in your life that maybe was a failure or it didn't work out.
And at the time you were like, oh man, like this broke my heart.
But looking back on it, you're like, I'm glad that failed or I'm glad this didn't work out.
We're going to go into X's on the podcast.
My ex-girlfriend, man.
That's the first thing that comes to my mind.
You know about it.
But for those of you on the podcast who don't know, man, it was a rough journey and I was
able to get out of it.
And I remember at the time really asking God, like, man, why did this not work out?
Because to save you all a really long story, basically her stepfather passed away and I
kind of like she was living at home with her folks and whatnot at the time.
And they were very old school Mexican.
They were from Mexico, right?
And they were very old school.
And that old school principle is like the ladies stayed at home and the guys went out
work.
And I was the guy being there.
I was the only one.
And I was living there without living there, if that makes sense.
And so, but it was like, OK, well, somebody's got to make the money.
And so I started picking up like 16 hour shifts and things like that and to make ends meet
for these guys and come to find out she ended up cheating on me during that time.
And the excuse was because you never around.
That was the thing.
It's like, yeah, because I'm having to work for everybody around here.
And unfortunately, you watch cheaters.
That's a lot of what happens, even though some of them are fake.
But like the real ones is like, yeah, I've been there.
But anyways, so that happened, right?
And but like I thought at the time, naive self, like I thought like this was the one.
This is the one that I'm going to marry.
And so like, you know, you got to forgive and stuff like that.
And so I tried to make it work.
And like it just wasn't working, right?
It just was not working at all.
And you know, I was just kind of asking God, like, man, why is this not working?
And it just became very clear because it's not the right thing to do.
And you know, at the time, I did not see that at all.
But it was just like, let time play out and see what happens.
And you know, that's when I end up meeting my wife.
So it ended up working out, you know what I mean?
And I had to get past that.
But at the time, man, I thought, why, why in the heck is this happening?
You know, like this doesn't make any sense.
I thought this was the woman you brought me.
And but, you know, when you're in that kind of toxic relationship,
you miss a lot of those red flags, you know what I'm saying?
Everybody's got to go through that.
And you look back on it later.
You're like, thank you, Lord, that I dodged the bullet.
And so, yeah, for sure, man.
And I know that was a very rough time for you.
And, you know, we've talked similar about our similar stories.
But man, thankful for the failures that at the time seem like failures.
But you look back and you're like, thankful that happened for sure.
Yeah, heck, get out of that situation.
And, you know, I got to shout up my our good buddy, Adrian,
which we know he's listening.
But you know what?
We got to shout him out because this man gave me a nice conversation.
And he told me how it was.
And I'll never forget that about her.
And, you know, it's one of those things.
A lot of times when people in bad relationships, there are very few people
that will tell you actually what's going on and be straight up with you.
And those are your homies, right?
And I'm telling you, like Chris tried to tell me, Adrian tried to tell me.
And so I'll never forget that.
But Adrian's conversation.
I love the way he if I could approach more people like Adrian, it'd be great.
Anyways.
All right.
So my next question, switching back to a lighter subject here.
Would you rather have the ability to fly, but it's only for 10 minutes a day.
So like 10 minutes every 24 hours or be invisible, but that's only while you're eating.
Um, I would probably.
Go.
So can I like grab a bag of chips and walk and eat and then be invisible?
Yeah.
I think I would take the invisible thing.
I don't really know why I would want to be invisible because that was never like a,
hey, that's what I want as a superpower.
But if you're only going to fly 10 minutes a day, I don't think it's worth it.
You don't think it's worth it for 10 minutes?
No, not for 10 minutes.
Man, I'm just saying, if you want to stay invisible for a long period of time,
one, you got to pick a food that is not like you said chips.
Like, yeah, you'd be invisible if people still hear you crunching.
And then two, you got to like get something to where it'll last you a while.
Like, and I know we're going in on this, but my mind always delves in.
Is it only while you're chewing?
Like, could you do chewing gum and would you keep going like stuff like that?
I don't, I don't know.
But I don't know for myself, of course, I like to fly.
So I'm just like fly 10 minutes a day.
Be my best 10 minutes of every day.
This one is kind of a lighter one.
If you had money or connections or whatever, and you could get involved in any business
or maybe like cause or anything like that, what business or company would you want to be like involved in?
Like you, you're, you're like co-owner, you're invested, your, your hands are in.
Oh man, they're very easy choices.
So you're saying if I'm a billionaire or had connections and it's just like, hey, we're going to do something.
One, it's going to be a sports team of some kind.
Two, it's going to be an airline.
One of the two, those are the two businesses I'm interested in.
And my thing is it's like I could, airline is tough though.
I don't know if I'd want to do that sports, probably better.
Cause as an owner, you can sit in the box and enjoy every well, unless you're a loser team.
But I guess I'd probably want to do sports team more than airline.
Airline sounds good in theory.
I feel like if you don't feel like it's just a volatile business to run though.
So it's better in theory than in reality, but a sports team for sure.
I don't know, like NFL or NBA, you know me.
I'd get involved with the WWE, you know, you know, I would.
I'd be right there with triple H.
Here's my question though.
If you had enough money, would you make another, would you make another wrestling company
like that would rival WWE and AEW?
No, I don't think I would because WWE does so many things that work so well.
And like to start another wrestling promotion, like you can have the talent,
but you really need like the bookers, you need the road people.
Like there's so many behind the scenes stuff.
Like I just want to get on board with WWE and be like, all right, like I like what's
already built.
Let's try to change it and make it go forward.
I just want to be involved, to be honest with you.
So you just like you like listen Saudis or because it wasn't the company that bought
them the same one from the WWE that bought Zufa.
I think they're from Saudi Arabia.
It's like, listen, I'm going to buy it from you guys.
You need more money than the folks in Saudi, Chris, to do this.
Who else is involved?
Isn't now he's involved in the other one, the Jaguar owner son.
Oh, yeah, Nick, not Nick, Tony Khan.
Yeah, he's involved in AEW.
OK, yep, you are right.
Would you rather live in a world where it rained all the time or would you rather
live in a world where it never rained?
Like right now where I live at.
Is that what you're asking?
Would I rather live in Lubbock all the time or what?
Because it never rains here.
It rains like maybe three times, four times a year.
I guess the rain, but they say like when it rains all the time, it is depressing.
But I do like the rain.
But here's my question.
Like when we lived in Augusta, I feel like in the summertime,
it was like almost every day there'd be like storm or a shower or something like that.
Now, that is definitely different than having it all the stinking time.
But I did enjoy having a lot more rain than I mean, even down here, it doesn't rain a ton.
So it's like I do kind of miss that aspect.
So I think I would choose the rain as well.
My questions are going short.
I guess would you rather questions are short, but good thing I have a lot of.
Now, I know that probably whatever age you were, when you were a kid or maybe a teenager,
every kid has that dream of like being in the NFL and all that.
So let's just say we live in a perfect world where Micah played football in high school and college, got drafted.
How do you think that world would play out?
Like what position do you think you'd play?
What team would you like think you'd be drafted to?
And how do you think your life would play out if you got drafted to the NFL?
If it was idealistic, well, I mean, idealistic is always like, OK, super talented.
Like you were all American in high school, like all American in college.
So I'm thinking like first round draft pick and heck, yes, I'm a quarterback.
Like who wouldn't choose that position, right?
And who would I get chosen by in the draft?
Man, it'd probably be somebody that sucked.
Like the first person that comes to mind is like the Jets, because that's what always happens with first rounders,
especially if you're really good. You go to Cleveland or the Jets or trying to think of some other really, really bad teams.
I can't say Detroit anymore, because they're actually fairly decent, but you get my drift.
You go, you go somewhere pretty bad.
So my guess would be the Jets or the Browns.
I get beat up for a few years and I get traded over to a team that's actually worth something and make a career out of it.
Like I don't know.
And then, of course, idealistic, you want to imagine that it's, you know, 15 to 20 years worth.
And you do the Tom Brady s things.
But if you're in a more realistic world, I mean, even quarterbacks, if you start,
you might be hot a few years and then you might tank it.
So I mean, realistic, it'd probably be like five years.
Do you think it'd be weird whenever you would play as yourself?
And that is, yeah, I've always thought about that, or even like college football now with name, image and likeness on the college football games.
It's the same names and they're, you know, some of them, the more popular players are modeled after you.
So if you play college football, you'll see your own name on the depth chart and plays yourself, which has to be very, very odd.
I think that's got to be weird.
I never got dreamed of being drafted in the NFL, but definitely drafted in the major leagues.
And for sure, not a pitcher.
You know, I would probably want to be like either center field or one of those places and left to right field.
You just want to, you want to be a hitter.
That's what you wanted.
I love the Braves.
So, you know, at the time I wanted to be a drafted to the Braves, but either the Braves or the Rangers, I like both those teams.
So yeah, I think that would be pretty good.
Yeah.
Back out.
If I had a choice of where I got drafted in the NFL, maybe not Miami, but give me like a Florida team.
Give me Tampa.
I'm still, I'm still like, yeah, give me Tampa.
Tampa would be a nice place to live and play, I think.
That's why Tom Brady went there because no, no state income tax on all that money and you get to be in Florida.
Speaking of, it's funny that you brought up an NFL question.
My next one is an NFL question as well.
Would you rather have a prime Tony Romo on the Cowboys like what he was absolutely at his best or a 40 year old Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback?
I think I'm picking 40 year old Aaron Rodgers.
That's what I'm taking.
You think so?
You're taking 40 year old Rodgers?
Yeah, because honestly, I think Tony Romo at his best, he wasn't a leader, man.
Tony Romo wasn't a leader.
I can at least say Aaron Rodgers is a leader and I think that's what you really need as a quarterback to help make your team better.
Because you can be like a great quarterback, but if you're not a leader, like y'all aren't winning nothing.
Yeah, it's just hard for me taking Rodgers with some of the stuff that he's been, you know, some of the on the field stuff and then off the field.
I think you'd be, it's hard because the management side of me knows that he'd be a hard to deal with and at 40, he doesn't have that much time left.
I would try to take my chances with Romo and get him aligned and see what happens.
My question is, next question, this is kind of a lighter question.
What is a like some, not big things, but maybe some little things that people do that annoy you, whether it's like crunching sounds, clicking the pan, a certain smells, like what are some little things that you're just like, oh, that annoys me.
Playing phone videos out loud.
That's one of the biggest things for me.
I can't stand that stuff.
Also, people like biting their nails. That gets me. I don't know. It really, it really gets me.
Yeah, I guess those are the biggest two things that come to my mind.
It's people, again, it's mainly people that's like, you could totally put in headphones, but they don't, especially on planes and in airports.
That seems to happen a lot, where people just play their videos out loud and don't really care.
And especially when you have like a bunch of them all playing together, that's what used to drive me nuts back on to the golden crown of Augusta.
You had all that rap music playing on top of each other.
And it's just like, I'm good with the good rap song, but not when there's 30 different ones playing out loud on your cell phone.
Like, it's just not good.
Mine is, is when you're in a public place and you take your shoes off and you're walking around with bare feet, like in the office.
Who the heck does that?
I can name one person, well, I can't name them on this podcast, but I'll tell you after the podcast.
I gotta walk around.
I gotta guess.
My place of employment on a Sunday morning with no shoes.
Man, I, you know, some people are cool with walking barefoot places. I am not one of those people.
Do you know how dirty some of these places are?
In your own home, it's fine, but in public places, no.
Like my thing is, and especially because at your own home, you know how often you clean and what you do.
Like it even bothers me getting to my socks in the airport.
Like I don't see how some of these people are like, oh yeah, I'll just wear flip flops and go barefoot.
It's like, do you know how many people walk through here with their dirty behind shoes?
Like, why would you want to do that?
It's like, that's just asking to get fungi and all sorts of crap all over yourself.
I don't, I don't play with none of that.
I can't, yeah, that bothers me.
Something else that bothers me is people who don't necessarily, how do I put this?
They don't know, they're not aware of their surroundings.
And so maybe they're talking to the person next to them and I don't know, call me old fashioned.
But when you're in front of children or things like that, I really don't think that you should be like,
extremely like just talking about certain things or cussing in front of their face.
Like kids already get enough crap from the internet and stuff like that.
And it's another thing where like, I was, where was I at the other day?
I was at a restaurant, I think or something.
And there was one table and it was, and it was just like, yeah, I told that F and B of my ex-wife that she needs to go to, you know,
and like she, he was just going on and on and on.
And there was this kid sitting across the table, like on a different table.
And you could just tell maybe this kid is just not used to cussing and stuff like that, but his eyes were like so big, like, holy crap.
He's like, holy crap, that guy is going off.
But it was just like, it was obvious that like everybody was just uncomfortable, you know what I mean?
And he was just being very obnoxious.
And it was just like, I don't care if you have those conversations, I really don't.
And I don't care if you use that kind of language, but maybe let's not have the whole restaurant hear about that.
You know what I mean?
And he said, I told my ex-wife to go to H-E-L-L double hockey sticks.
You know what they call it, Michael Scott.
H-E double hockey sticks, yeah.
Remember what you people used to say?
And he's like, H-E double hockey sticks.
H-E double hockey sticks.
For sure.
I'm telling you, dude, it was, it was wild.
Bro, we've been, we went out to a couple of restaurants here lately and like, typically if we get food, like we'll bring it in.
But like, we've went to a few restaurants, man, the people watching has been great.
I don't know.
Me and my wife have hardly had to say anything.
We just watch people and see, like, it's, it's wonderful.
Oh, do you like to make up stories about them?
I like to make up stories about those people, the people and be like, oh yeah.
Like, I mean, you do this sometimes and most of the time, like it's like, I don't want to say get the prophecy, but that gift of the service, like, oh yeah, you can tell they're all, they're on a date and they're both married to other people.
Or, oh yeah, this or that.
That happened today.
Me and my wife were at lunch over here and at this Mexican food place over here and we were sitting there in this, there was a guy named Gal and I told like, Megadine were, because you don't want to like talk about it out again, you know, making sure that you're not, you don't want to be obnoxious to be like, yeah, those people are talking about this.
So we were texting back and forth and I texted her, I was like, oh yeah, I could tell that they worked together, but they, you know, they were side pieces for each other because each one of them was talking about their sp...
And then all of a sudden they started talking about their spouses and then they had like other girlfriends and boyfriends and stuff.
They were talking about like other people and stuff and it was just like, yeah, my daughter doesn't really like my other girlfriend.
And it's like, yeah, because you're married and they were like talking about it just like, okay, well text me when you're off and I'll go over to your place.
And I was just like, yep, found it. It was, it was great.
Like that stuff, I don't know.
Sometimes they just tell you their whole life story too.
You don't have to make nothing up for them.
They'll just tell you, like you just listen to you hear all about it.
It's free entertainment.
Yeah, it is.
Hey, if you're going to put it out there in public, I might as well, might as well listen to dinner and to show or in this case, lunch and to show.
Next question, would you rather be 10 minutes late always or always be 45 minutes early?
45 minutes early. I hate being late. You know me. I hate being late.
Like that's just, I don't know what that is about me, but even if I'm 10 minutes late, I just can't do it.
And I'd rather be somewhere early. I can find something.
For me, the 45 minute part is what kills me.
I can't, I really don't like being somewhere that early, especially, you know, when you're in a relationship.
You know, when you get there and it's like they're still setting stuff up or whatever.
I don't like that either.
But I totally get, I totally get what you're saying.
Has there ever been an occasion where you did show up extremely early?
No, because usually I try to not ever be the first person there.
If it's like a social gathering, I know it's probably like social anxiety, but I kind of like scope it out.
Like so even if I'm early, like I'll drive around the block like a few times and then be like, oh, is there another car there?
Okay, cool deal. And so if I'm like, oh, there's no other cars here. I know I'm super early and no sir.
And it's just like, yeah, I'm not going in there. I totally get you.
I remember the earliest time I was ever somewhere was I got to school and this was the earliest I'd ever showed up to school.
For some reason, my male parental unit, it was icy and snowy outside and for Georgia, that is very, very, that doesn't happen very much, right?
But it wasn't bad enough to shut down the schools.
And so I remember he was like, yeah, I'm going to take you because the roads are like the, you know, everybody's going to be all messed up on the roads and everything.
So he brought me to school and it was six in the morning and school didn't start till 745.
And I remember getting there and like kind of like Chris said, I had to wait outside.
Like I remember waiting outside and they had to like open the school up. It was dark out and everything.
I remember being so early and like the teacher was like, what are you doing here so early?
I'm like, my day had dropped me off. I said that the roads were going to be too bad.
This is at a Mount elementary school?
No, this is at high school. This is high school.
Oh, high school. Okay. So there was a little bit of drive. I was like, if it was elementary school, you could have just walked there.
Yeah. Yeah. No elementary school. I could have walked there. Middle school. I definitely couldn't have walked there.
You know what I think is wild, man? And I know we're going on a weird tangent and maybe I've never said this on the podcast,
but it's it's weird that I'm going to be able to tell my kids like, yeah, I went to a middle school that was a former, like it was so old that it was a former segregated school.
Like there was a plaque about it and stuff. Like that's kind of weird to think about. I don't know.
I don't think about that too. And then the high school was kind of the same way. Like the main part was from the sixties.
So weird, weird place. But anyways. Okay. What is a guilty pleasure show that you like to watch?
Maybe it's with your wife, but you don't necessarily, when people ask your favorite show, you don't mention that one because you're like, oh, this is kind of a guilty pleasure show.
Or I know I'm going to get judged if I say I like the show.
I'm like, stay space, stay space, by the way. And then you're going to make me say it on the podcast here. Now,
People don't know you like that. Some of my, I think only murders in the building, but that's not one that I'm like ashamed to say anything about.
That's not a guilty pleasure show. There's a lot of people like that. I don't know if I necessarily have one because all of my shows that I'd be liking to watch.
I'm just like, now the only one that I do be getting some weird looks at, and this is kind of different than what you're asking though,
is people will be like, what football games are you watching? And typically I will be, it'll be like, I'm watching Idaho versus Idaho State this weekend.
And people will be like, do what? Why, why those two? And it's like, well, it's an in-state rivalry. I don't care if they're good, bad, or indifferent.
If it's like they're an in-state rivalry, there are certain ones that I watch every single year. And it's kind of like, even if both teams haven't won a game to this point, I'll watch it.
It's kind of different.
So I'm going to tell you mine, and no judgment. I already went on record saying I like Billie eyelash, so I guess it's okay. All bets are off.
My secret guilty pleasure show, I'm going to say it on the podcast, is married at first sight.
Oh, okay.
Yeah. I get invested in the couples, man. And I'm like, oh yeah, I hope Jasmine and John work out. They seem like they're so great.
And I was like, are they going to get divorced? And I'm like, man, I don't know. He's really treating her pretty bad. I was like, I hope they stay together though and work it out.
Man, it's not as bad as like The Bachelor or Bachelorette. It's not that bad.
And I will admit, I have seen some Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, but I don't like that show.
What was the one that my wife wanted me to watch? I love you, honey.
She was, well, we were watching it one time. What is it called? Oh, Love and Hip Hop.
Like that was one that we watched. And I was just like, I found out so much stuff about the rappers that from my childhood that I was just like, this dude is soft.
Like that's what I found out about that. Because I found out about Lil Scrappy. I was like, that dude, that dude was nothing like I thought it was going to be.
That dude's soft. That dude's a mama's boy, is what he is.
Anyways, here we are over here in Salt Lake. Oh, Lil Scrappy.
This one, this next one's kind of a weird question, dog. So sometimes my brain works in a weird way. So just forgive me.
Would you rather have to fight one horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses?
100 duck-sized horses. A horse-sized duck? Ducks are mean.
Ducks are mean. And could you imagine how, you know, if it's a horse-sized with horse strength? Oh, yeah. You got problems. I think you got problems.
I'm not fighting that duck.
Like, I mean, don't get me wrong. It probably hurt for hundreds of them thing to attack you and like kick your legs or something.
But you could always, you know, with one sweep of the foot, I feel like you could take a bunch out.
So again, I don't know why my mind thinks of these questions sometimes, but go ahead. What's the next one?
Is it always like one book or play that you read in high school that really like it impacted you or it really challenged you to think about things in a different way?
Believe it or not, I still don't understand why I really like Julius Caesar. Like, I really like Julius Caesar. I don't know why.
But I like the whole storyline and the betrayal and just, it was, I guess what I found very interesting is before that, yeah, I learned about the Romans and things like that.
But I didn't understand how much of a government structure, how similar it was to ours. And so it made it very relatable, I feel like, at least in my opinion.
And so, yeah, I think that, oh, and not to mention, I got to be Mark Anthony in the play. So I might have had something to do with it.
I think mine was one that I was fascinated by and it really kind of challenged me to think outside the box was death of a salesman.
Just because it's like, how much of this is like made up in his mind and you're kind of like, it's really sad to read the whole thing because you're like, this guy is part of a dying business and like he's kind of going crazy.
And his family's fallen apart. And so it was kind of hard to but also fences. Did you read fences?
I didn't read fences now.
So fences is an African American play and it's about this guy Troy Maxon and he's like, he's this really rough dad that like didn't get a shot in baseball and he's like horrible to some of his kids.
And like, it's really interesting because he's a very complex character. And so it's kind of interesting like, I don't know, way to think about things because you feel bad for him, but he's doing some pretty messed up stuff.
So you're kind of like, yeah, like, I don't agree with that. But I understand like why he's acting that way.
I totally get you.
Now let me ask you this. You went to a fine arts magnet school. Was there one play or production that your magnet school put on that you say, you know what, that was probably the best one that I went to and I remember that one the most.
Probably the best one, I would say really beauty and the beast. That was probably one of the better ones they put on. So what they would do is they would do like plays, but they would do major productions like every two years. And so I only got to see.
I remember it was it was Susie called the musical.
Yeah, there was one of the musical there was beauty and the beast.
And then there was I don't remember what it was my senior year, but the first the first year it was Wiley and the hairy man or something like that.
Oh, yeah, something like that. I don't remember what the what the other one was. But yeah, it was it was pretty pretty good. And then do you remember that one zinc the zebra was about this girl with cancer?
Yeah, I do remember that one. I do remember that one. I it was pretty bad, but I think we roasted part of that play.
I was just there trying to holla, bro. That's what I was trying to do. I showed up and I pulled up. I'm trying to holla at one of them girls in the play.
And I got her to sign my program and everything. I was trying to be like, oh, yeah, this was the best production I ever done. See, it was great. Oh, dude.
Let me tell you, there's one that was like scary, like creepily eerie. They did.
I think it wasn't the Black History Show. It was Fine Arts Festival and they did an interpretive dance to the theme of Jonestown.
Like, oh, dude, like you want to talk about scary and creepy and they started like at the end they played Jim Jones's voice.
Oh, talk about like chills. It was it was bad.
That's crazy. On a wider note, I remember probably my favorite one and this was a side play was Noises Off. I thought that was really funny.
It was a British comedy play. That one was really like, I thought that was really funny. Like, that's the one that stands out to me the most because I didn't, I guess all the other.
So I wasn't really like a musical play guy, but the thing is, it's like Chris's school was like really good at it. You know, they were pretty well known in the area for.
So it's like, if you can get tickets to that, like, yeah, you go. And plus, I was trying to holler at the girls there too.
You try to go to another school to holler at the girls.
I know why you like Noises Off. So Noises Off is a play within a play, but Noises Off is also a British play.
So that makes sense why you probably like that because it was probably structured like with British humor.
So it makes sense why you probably like that.
And I'm pretty sure the main character modeled himself after John Cleese because he acted just like him. So I'm pretty sure that's probably why I liked it too.
But yeah, that was, no, that was pretty good. Your school was really good at that stuff. So watching that was pretty good.
But yeah, I was trying to holler at the ladies in the other school too, which was, you know, what it is, what it is.
All right, man, I think I know the answer to this one already. Would you rather live without internet or without air conditioning or heating?
No internet. I'll take, I'll take the like no internet. This summer was brutal.
Yeah, I knew that was the answer. My agency wasn't working a lot and it was brutal. Yeah. I'm okay without living with internet.
I actually did live without internet for, let's see, I didn't get internet and being out on my own until 2020. I know that's weird.
I didn't have internet for five years.
Yeah, no, I remember that because really the only reason I think you got internet was to play PlayStation Online with me.
That's the only reason you got it.
Let me tell you why I couldn't have internet. Let me tell you why.
Two words, actually three words. My ex-wife, my ex-wife did not want me to have internet.
So I couldn't stream shows that she deemed inappropriate.
I inappropriate and that's the only reason why I never had internet. And that's a BS.
Aren't we glad that we're on the other side?
Because I don't know what I'd do if I could play my PlayStation.
My thing is internet, it would be hard to live without internet, but man, living in Texas, maybe if you didn't live in Texas,
maybe like a steady climate to where it's, you know, 70, 80 degrees all the time, maybe you don't need internet,
like maybe you don't need air conditioning and heating, but man, in Texas, even in the wintertime, you're going to need the heat.
You know what I mean? It's not just air conditioning. You're going to need the heat too. So yeah, definitely taking air conditioning, heating myself.
Maybe it was when you were a kid or maybe recently, but what is a dream that you kind of had to let die or just let go?
We've kind of talked about this before. I would say, and this is kind of a dumb one, is I wouldn't necessarily, well, it was football.
And I kind of let that one die. I wouldn't say like I had like NFL dreams because you knew me all through then.
Was there ever a time that I was like, here, I'm going to the NFL. I don't ever remember that.
I don't think you even wanted to play in college.
No, but there was a point in high school where I was like, you know what, like I'm not going to play in college.
Like I'm just going to do this in high school. There's my side activity.
But like there for a little bit I thought about doing college, like probably freshman and sophomore year,
but by the time I got, it was really when I got on to varsity and you're going to think this is really funny.
I don't know if you know this story. So we go to this town. It's called Warner Robins and they're really, they're really big in football now.
Like they're actually nationally ranked and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
We went to their school and I'll never forget their mascot was the demons.
And it was a whole big thing of controversy down there because it means Georgia, right? And the local teams called the demons.
They did not like that. But anyways, when they scored a touchdown, they had this big demon statue that shots fire out of its mouth and fireworks from its pitchfork.
It was actually pretty cool. But we show up and I would say that it was equivalent to a Texas-sized field.
Like in Georgia, we didn't have like huge stadiums. Like we were a 5A school, which was a big, big school,
but our stadium only held probably 3000 people, which is like a very small Texas-sized stadium.
Like it's very small. Itty bitty towns have 3000 people stadium kind of thing.
And so we go to this stadium and it was 8000 people and it had, you know, a jumbotron and things like that.
And we'd never seen that before. That was one. But I remember stretching, bro.
And there was this dude, a very large African-American fellow, and he stepped up and like he was leading the call for their team.
And he said, this is demon country. Not quite like that. It was more like, this is demon country.
And he was this big dude, man. And I just remember thinking to myself, I pity whoever has to go against that guy.
I was that guy. I found out very soon. I get out on the field and I was the guy that was lined up across from this dude.
He was committed to play at Clemson. And yeah, I got demolished all night. Like all night.
I remember my coach before the game said, if you need any help or need anything, you let me know.
Like we'll talk about it. And we thought he was going to line up on the other side. No, he picked on me.
And I'll never forget, I asked Ronnie Graham, I was like, or just say Ronnie, I asked Ronnie, I run it back.
I said, hey, we're going to need to help chip this guy. He went through the both of us.
That was the moment that I was like, hey, I ain't playing further after this.
Like if I'm getting demolished like this in high school, like, hey, no way I'm going to college.
I was looking back and I found some old pictures of you like in a high school and like for some reason, like, I thought you were like the size like you are now.
But like you were like you were tall back then you were big. Don't get me wrong.
But you weren't really like that big like stocky. Like you were you were still kind of skinny.
Like you were tall. You weren't like a bean pull or anything, but you were you were tall, but you were still kind of skinny.
So you weren't like super stock. You're super like, I would say I'm probably bulkier now than I ever been.
Like I'm pretty bulky right now. Like I, I know, I know, I look at that too.
But you know, I also I also attribute it to not having very good eating habits.
I had a very fast metabolism, right? And I didn't, I mean, you can't you can't play football and eat microwave burritos and expect it to go.
Right. You know what I mean? Like it just are Totino's pizza rolls or whatever.
Or like Rotella rice. I remember that was another one.
And like you can't eat that stuff and then not have consistent meals like you you have consistent meals, but not consistent calories,
I guess is what I'm trying to say. Run and play football and like that.
I remember starting off at the beginning of the season and I'd be 210 and by the end of it, I'd be 175.
Like that's not healthy. So I'm not trying to throw shade, but you're right.
Like you didn't have those consistent meals. Like you, I don't really ever remember you guys being like, hey, we're going to have a set time for dinner every night.
Or even really now it was different times. Yeah.
Or like even really in your pantry, dude, like you had maybe one or two things and we've talked about this before.
It was just like burritos and like maybe some ramen, but like there there wasn't that much to eat and you kind of had to figure out your own meals.
So I get that. Or like Campbell's Chunky Soup, which yeah, they had the football players on the commercial, but really and truly there's not a lot of calories in there.
Not for as much as you're burning, you know what I mean? Like out in the Georgia sun running around and hitting people.
Like you burn a ton of calories. And so it's one of those things to where I do think about that.
And I'm like, if I was eating, because by the time I got to my senior year, if you remember senior year, I did eat whatever I wanted.
And that was because we actually had money because we had jobs and went to the grocery store and bought what we wanted to eat.
And so it was like, I remember having stuff on hand and I even remember there for a while making like rice and ground beef like every night.
And I thought that was going to be great for some reason.
But I don't know if you remember that. I was like, yeah, I want the rice and ground beef diet.
And I just remember being like, okay.
I just remember having jobs and being able to go to the grocery store and get our own snacks and they got really upset.
They were like, you don't like the food that's here. And I'm like, there's not really any food here.
So like, we're going to get our own snacks. That's why we were always going to Burger King late at night.
Like, because there was nothing like they didn't have anything in the pantry or they didn't have anything like to eat.
And so you're just like, all right, well, we're going to solve this problem.
We're not going to ask you to buy more stuff. We're going to spend our own money and we're going to get our own snack.
Well, not just that, but even if we did take some of the stuff, like say there was honey buns or something like that,
it'd be like, oh, now there's only two left. It's like, yeah, there was six in the package.
We had two yesterday and then Chris and I had one today. So there you go.
Only two left in the package. And then they would get mad. They'd get real mad.
Just like, bro, you can't tell us that it's it's free game and then not.
So there was all sorts of stuff there. But no, I totally get you.
But I guess that's for me. That was that moment that that big dude with the demon country thing.
Man, he, uh, after after that game, I remember that was a long bus ride home.
And I thought about my entire life and I was just like, they know way I'm going to college.
I was like, no way I'm going to play college football.
Would you rather be able to only eat sweet foods the rest of your life or savory foods the rest of your life?
So like it's either sweet or savory. You know, I have a sweet tooth.
So I guess I would say sweet probably.
Now, if there's a sweets product that you're like, man, send me boxes of that and I'll be good with that.
What are we doing?
I don't know. I like Mike and Ike's. I like, uh, I don't know, like baked goods.
Um, I don't know. I just like difference.
Do you still like those? What was that thing? I remember. So shout out, shout out to your mom.
But I remember when we first moved to Texas, I remember she used to send like these care packages as full of these snacks.
And, um, what were those things like the little rolls? They were blue with like the pink center.
You remember that? Like the, they weren't Laffy Taffy.
Oh, like the sweet. I remember we used to eat the mess out of those.
Yeah. Them sweet tart ropes. I remember eating the mess out of them.
Oh yeah. That was also two. My mom helps, uh, feed us secretly.
Yeah. That, that is true. Secretly. Jesus.
It was like prison. We would get, we would get caught.
Bro. And when it was, bro, you remember we used to hide the snacks under the bed too.
Like we, it's like he had his bed out. Have by like, we tucked that box under the bed too.
Make sure nobody does know about the snacks.
It was like, it really was. I'm, of course, it's not like prison for sure.
But yeah, we get waking up early, go do work.
There wasn't hardly nothing to eat. We were having to eat ramen and then we get those care packages.
So we were hiring contraband.
Yeah. Man. Listen. Yeah. It's funny cause all the stuff in the pantry was basically,
it was basically like commissary. It was commissary items that people get in prison.
It's like, it's like, oh, you want a Totino's pizza? It's like, that's what you got.
There's ramen, all that other stuff. That, that's, that's great.
Next question. What is the most meaningful risk you've taken that like has paid off for you?
It's hard because I feel like there's, there's a lot of risks that have paid off, but there's not,
like there's a few big ones in the works that's like, I just need a few more things.
And I could say that massive thing worked out. You know what I mean?
I would say the risk in getting into the IT career worked out, man.
That's, that was a big risk. You know, talking about something that was like failure and have to give up on.
Reason I didn't say flying is cause I haven't given up on that. I know I'm coming back to it.
Right. Like I know it's just on hold. But jumping from that into IT, that was a big risk.
It's like, what if this doesn't work out? And a measure of success for me as part of the reason that I went into that career field
is because you've all heard the term. It's not what you know is who you know sometimes.
And I knew more people in that industry at the time. Now all these people, I have nothing to do with them and no more.
And I've made my own name in the industry and doing my own thing. Now, in no way am I saying like, oh, I'm this high up thing,
but it's going well. Like, I mean, it's going very well, especially for somebody my age, it's going well.
And so it, and you know, I even try to remind myself a lot. There was a time where Michael was struggling.
I was an Uber driver, right? I was studying for this test just to get my foot in the door into IT.
I failed that test twice and it was $500 a pop. And I failed it twice. And that was, I mean, you want to talk about some gut wrenching times.
Because when you're barely making your bills, scraping up $500 and failing is, that's hard.
That's really, especially when you have to look like she's my wife now, but when you have to look at your girlfriend in the face
and be like, man, we're going to have to hustle to figure this out, you know.
And so it's like there was that. But then I think about that and end up finally passing that test,
end up moving my way up and end up, you know, at least in my company, making a good name for myself and things like that is, that's big, you know,
that's the biggest thing. It's like, take that risk and fail that a few times and could have given up, but didn't happen.
I would say it paid off. How about yourself?
Probably one of them for sure was moving to Texas. That was definitely a big risk moving across the country.
After all I've ever known is Augusta, Georgia, right? Like I have my buddy, Micah, that's there with me, but really essentially like I'm out here on my own.
Like I'm leaving my mom, my dad, my brother, like my friends. I'm leaving a whole life behind and that was a big risk, but I knew it was the right risk
and I was excited for the adventure. And I'm so thankful that I ended up here in Lubbock and just, you know, that I got to be able to just experience
Texas, man, because after I got here, dude, it was home for me. Like it really was. And so it was a hard transition, like being away from my family.
But I think that was a big risk and then not to be like a Debbie Delner, but I think at the moment where like I finally was like, you know what, I'm done with my ex-wife because my ex-wife and I, even after the divorce,
like there were a little bit of times where like, okay, maybe this will work. And I remember being in the spot of, hey, I'm going to have to choose between my best friend and I'm going to have to choose between her because it was basically kind of that ultimatum for her.
And I remember being like, yeah, no, like I'm going to choose my best friend. I'm going to choose to walk away from this because it was a really hard situation to get out of.
Like it really was when people like that have control over you. It's hard to walk away. It really is. But and I was like, man, like I hope I'm not screwing my life up.
But in that, like, you know, my life is so much better having walked away from that. Like I'm in a job that's great. And I have my best friend and I have my wonderful wife.
And you get to play PlayStation now.
And I get to play PlayStation and I don't have to worry about, I don't have to worry about what I'm playing. I don't have to worry about getting chewed out because I went to McDonald's that day.
Like it's wild. We can go into that another day because that's the whole podcast.
That's a whole, yeah, that's a whole thing. All right, man. So next question. This one's kind of a thinker. Would you rather travel back in time to meet your ancestors or travel forward to meet your descendants?
Oh, that's kind of a hard one. Because at first off the bat, I was like, I want to travel to meet my descendants because I want to see like, okay, like, you know, how did I do like with the legacy that I left?
I think I'm a little scared to travel back to meet my ancestors because I'm like, I don't know what kind of crazy stuff y'all done.
Yeah. And my thing is, it's like, on my end, I'll tell you this much. I'm like, I'm questioning what I even like y'all.
Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, I just, but I am curious kind of like the bloodline and the story. Like I kind of know a little bit of the bloodline, but I'm just curious or where that could, but I guess I would say to meet my descendants just to see how it all turned out.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think for me, it's really hard and I hate to be like, I'm mixture of both. If I were to go meet my descendants, I think it would be probably the ones that I have not heard about like, who is my descendant from 500 years ago, right?
And see what this person was like potentially. Somebody that, you know, would be so far back that you probably couldn't track down. You know what I mean? And then if it's somebody who's descendant, I'm thinking like grandkids, great grandkids, see how my kids did, you know, like how did I do parenting and how did it trickle down?
You know what I mean? Like, that's kind of where I'd be curious.
I only have two more. I maybe have asked you this before. So if I have, please forgive me. Anybody dead or alive, who is your starting five?
For basketball?
Basketball.
Oh man. Okay. I'm going to say for center, okay, I'm going to skip to Power Ford, Tim Duncan for Power Ford. You know what? For small Ford, I'm going to shock everybody. I'm going to do Josh Smith, the old Atlanta Hawks player.
Bro, if he was on like a massive team, watch him work. That thing would, he would have been great. So Josh Smith and then shooting guard, I would say probably Kobe.
And then point guard, I would probably say, man, you can't go wrong with Steph. As much as you love, hate him. It's just like, dude's a video game, right? Like the dude's crazy.
And then so back to center.
I guess Shaq, man, put Shaq on there.
Awesome. I think I'm keeping Shaq. I'm keeping Steph Curry. I'm keeping Kobe. I don't know what position Michael Jordan played, but I'm putting Michael Jordan on my team.
He was a small Ford. He was a small Ford.
Yeah.
Who's my fifth man? My fifth man.
It was your Power Ford, right?
And this may not be his position, but my fifth man is going to be cream Abdul Jabbar.
Hey, it's close enough, man. Hold me with the sky hook. Yeah, I love cream of Jill Jabbar. He's cool guy.
Michael Jordan is nowhere on your team though.
Like, don't, are you saying like, who would be the best or who I'd have on my team? But don't get me wrong. Michael Jordan's the best, but I wouldn't want somebody like that on my team. He's a diva.
I'd be honest with you. I don't know. A lot of these other guys, they seem like they wouldn't be divas as much. Like Kobe for sure, but I think him and Shaq together would balance each other out again.
I'm going to stack two in a row here and they're going to be kind of varying questions, okay? Would you rather have a pet snake or a pet ferret? So like, you have to have one.
I guess a pet ferret, I don't do snakes. You know I don't do snakes.
Like even if it's like non-venomous, super small snake. Yeah, don't do snakes.
Alright, so the next question would be, would you rather lose the ability to speak or lose the ability to hear? Like you got to lose one. Which one you're losing?
Oh, I already can't hear that well anyway.
What'd you say? No, I'm joking.
I guess probably the ability to speak because I can still write. So, yeah, I don't, it'd be alright if I didn't speak.
Then I could get out of like having to be social. That would be great actually.
Then I could call you Helen Keller and get away with it.
Last question for me on my end. If there is a specific memory like from our past that you could go back and relive, is there a certain one that you would want?
There's a few like Six Flags trips. Like Six Flags over Georgia trips. I wouldn't say Six Flags over Texas the first time, but probably the second time for sure.
The first time, just a lot of stuff went wrong. So I wouldn't want to have that.
And then I go on a rodeo again. I think that would be pretty fun. I gotta do that again.
Fine is the Six Flags trip where we went just on a whim and we could drive. It's probably one of the last, not the last time, but one of the last times because that one was a good trip.
I can't believe that Buick made it all the way to Atlanta by the way.
And back and back. That was the same trip I broke my phone, right?
That was the same trip. And then probably another one I would say is I don't remember how old we were, but just those few days where I would spend the night for a couple days and we would watch TV and prank call people or watch the Dave Chappelle show.
Like we don't have any cares in the world. I had no cares in the world. So that was a simpler time.
Or call the pizza guy to the dude next door.
Yeah, stuff like that. Yeah. That was good times. Good time. I would definitely do that stuff again. I definitely feel that.
Or the camping trip where we pranked those people.
Pissed everybody off.
Alright. So I got two questions, but I'll finish it up here.
Would you rather have the power to enter your dreams or bring your dreams into the real world?
I think enter my dreams because I don't want to bring my dreams into the real world.
Yeah, some of my dreams are wacky and insane and I don't want to bring those out there.
But hey, if I could step into it and kind of control some things and punch some people in the face, that'd be great.
Anybody in particular, Micah?
Oh, I think you know who.
Let's see here. And then the last question that I have, would you rather spend a year living at sea, like on a boat, or a year living in a remote cabin in the mountains?
A remote cabin in the mountains, bro.
Living at sea, that's going to make you crazy.
But in the mountains, if you're a recluse, like you'd be okay. I'd be okay with that.
Yeah, you'd think so. I think mountains be giving you...
Like, why do you think all the cults are in the mountains too?
Or like start up in the mountains because there'd be some crazy stuff happening in the mountains too.
I don't know. For me, maybe mountains would probably be better, but sea sounds more appealing.
I have no idea why. It's like a year out at sea. Alright.
It's going back to that inner thug that's in me. You know I don't like the water, dude. You know I don't like the water.
He don't even like pools if they don't eat it.
If they eat it, if they eat the hot tub, I dip my toe and I'm like, yeah, nah, I'll be alright.
Remember that one time, remember that one time you told Fat Cat, you were like, hey man, he probably ain't gonna get in the pool, maybe like two, three minutes.
He don't swim like that. And Fat Cat was like, really why? It was like, nah, like just watch him. Like he'll be in the pool with two, three minutes.
And I dip my toe and I say, yeah, I'll be in here about two, three minutes.
Yeah. And then he was sitting on the side next to the fire. Like he had this little fireplace deal next to the pool.
He was next to the fire two, three minutes. He was out of there.
And but to be fair, bro, Fat Cat kept that pool. They never turned the heater on. So that thing was cold as in, cold as in like it was, I think the thermometer was like 68 degrees, 70 degrees.
And that don't sound cold, but for water, that's pretty cold. That's pretty cold.
So, so alright, man, well, it's been a great podcast. We got through all of our questions there.
It was kind of like you said, a good cop, bad cop, yin, yang thing. So that was pretty cool.
Man, I learned a few things about you per usual with these episodes.
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So there's even going to be like, I'm keeping the content fresh, but I'm really, I'll be real with you.
I'm having to dig into my archives to keep some playing content.
So I'm excited to take some of these flights so that I have some fresh content to work with some full flight content.
Hint any hint, hint, hint.
I'm excited that you're taking flight. And so speaking of taking flight, I think it's time that we take the Starship and fly on out of here.
Let's get out of here. I'm Michael.
And I'm Chris.
And this has been the Dona Box Package.
And then here beside you, won't so much to give you this love in my heart that I'm feeling for you.
Let them see we're crazy. I don't care about that. Put your hands in my hand, baby. Don't ever look back.
Let the world around us just fall apart. Baby, we can make it if we're hard to hard.
And we can do this together.