Well, Micah, I want to ask you a question.
Which episode of the office,
because I know that you've seen every one of them
multiple times, which episode of the office
do you dislike the least?
Now, when I have to clarify, seasons one through seven,
don't worry about Michael Scott leaving
because seasons eight and nine were horrible,
but which episodes of the office are you like,
ooh, this really makes me feel cringe
or I really don't like this episode.
That's really hard.
I think it's an OK one, but I'm a rocking Christmas,
where they try to check Meredith into what
was the Alcoholics Rehab Center or whatever.
And because then she catch her hair on fire,
that was the first part.
Yeah, Meredith is just a cringy character for me.
I don't know why the kind of alcoholic with the bad kid
who's just overly nasty at the office,
because you've all known somebody like that.
Like, I couldn't think of at least two, three people
who are just cringy like that, who I've worked with, right?
And they're cringy towards you, and they'll
make some awkward comments, and it's just kind of gross.
So I think that one, I'm trying to think
of another one.
As much as I like it, sometimes the diversity day one
depends on how much I read into it.
But I don't know.
So that episode evolved for me.
It's the second episode, right?
But for me, I've been in work environments.
I guess when I first watched it, I
hadn't been in office work environments where it has been.
It's not like that, but it's similar.
And then, again, now you get into a spot, and you're going,
we've all been through the corporate diversity training
because somebody screwed up and said something they weren't
supposed to.
And you just been in that situation,
so sometimes it could be cringy.
But it's still a good episode.
I think the one, again, I told you this the other day,
the dinner party one.
But the one that I feel really bad for Michael,
I feel really bad for him is the deposition episode.
I feel so bad for him because he's
kind of put between a rock and a hard place
where the company is treating him crappy
and his girlfriend is treating him crappy.
And they took his diary, bro.
Like, I felt really bad for him.
But I give him props because I was like, he didn't.
He wasn't typical Michael Scott.
I mean, he was at some points.
But overall, he was just trying to do the right thing.
So I felt bad for him.
Yeah, for sure.
A last note on it.
I think probably the most underrated episode
that nobody attends to talk about
is the one where he goes before the shareholders of Dunder
Mifflin.
And he always supposed to do a smile and wave.
And he gives him the 90-day plan or whatever.
I don't know why it makes you cringe because you're going,
oh, God, please stop talking.
But at the same time, I don't know about you.
Have you ever been in a space like that
where it's very stuffy or maybe it's tense?
And you're like, I wish that somebody would say something
really outlandish and off the wall or what would happen
if somebody would just say something.
And yeah.
Well, I'm Chris.
And I'm Michael.
And this is the DonutBox podcast.
Well, we are back to our regularly scheduled programming
with our regularly scheduled donuts, man.
It's another regular to schedule week.
You know, and if you're a first-time listener,
I can understand why the DonutBox podcast and then
us talking about the office might
sound like we're a strictly office podcast, but we're not.
We talk about all sorts of stuff.
And each donut out of the box is a different topic.
And the first one that we're going to get started with
is the old-fashioned donut, which is a story from our past.
Now, we've talked about this one before.
And we kind of alluded to it in the last episode
when Micah asked the question, what
is the most adventurous thing you've ever done?
And I think we both said when we, the time we went bull riding,
and that was pretty adventurous.
So we're going to take a little revisit of that story.
So I'm going to let you kick this donut off.
You know, old-fashioned donut rewind.
So we're going to talk about the rodeo in Ludewissy, Georgia.
Isn't that how you pronounce that little town's name?
I don't even remember anymore.
I think it was Ludewissy.
It was a little town outside of Savannah.
And there was this little ranch in rodeo set up over there.
And I had an uncle who was living over there at the time.
And he rodeoed.
And we were really big into, like we watched
PBR, not the beer, the professional bull riders
on TV all the time.
And a little side note, we even had fantasy,
like you know how you do fantasy football?
We did fantasy bull riding.
That was a thing.
I don't know if that's still a thing.
I don't know.
Yeah, it was like a league.
And you could pick the riders, and then you would pick the bulls.
So you would get points off of bulls.
I always picked Bushwacker.
I always picked Bushwacker as the bull.
Anyways, so we were really into that.
And like I said, my uncle was in that area.
And he had done a few other rodeo events down there.
And he said, well, why don't you come down to one of the events?
And I said, yeah, why not?
And so I remember we went down to Savannah for the day,
spent some time.
And then we went over to this little town and I
had deals where you show up and you could ride a bull.
I think it was like $15 and sign a certificate, a waiver.
It was $10.
$10.
There you go.
It was $10.
And you could ride the bull.
They'll load them in the chute and all that good jazz.
And so I don't think they made that public, though.
I think it was kind of one of those cut and those side deals.
Because I remember we were watching them.
We'd be like, oh, man, I think it would be so cool for us
to go ride a bull.
And then I think your parental unit at the time was like, oh,
OK, well, let me talk to the owner
and see if we can get this arranged.
And I think he was just like, was it that?
Or I think somebody said, because I
think it was like that main dude, whatever his name was.
I don't remember his name, Bubba J or whatever.
I feel like he was like, y'all want to ride a bull.
Like, we can do this right now.
Like, we can go ask whatever is the owner of the place.
He was an Italian guy.
That's all I remember.
And there was this little cafe.
And we went and asked that we have my parental unit there.
And they were like, yeah, all you have
to do is sign this paperwork.
They signed the paperwork.
I don't know how I got away with.
They didn't ask any questions about you.
You don't even have the same last name.
And it was just like, my parental unit signed off for you
too, good enough.
Yeah, I remember calling my mom, though,
because I had to call my mom.
And she was like, well, I know she didn't really like it.
She was like, well, if you want to try it.
I was 16 at the time.
So there weren't really much she could tell me.
She was like, well, I don't think it's a good idea.
But if you want to do it, go ahead.
I think she tried to apply that mom guilt.
But I was just like, oh, she said yes.
Let's go.
Right, exactly.
And so Chris was up first.
Of course, they gave us all the gear.
A lot of people, you have the choice of if you want to ride
with the gear without the gear.
We were taking the gear.
And I think my parental units, and probably.
And so I remember you were first.
And they put you on a bull called Chihuahua.
And you want to talk about this, Christopher?
Yeah, it was a little bull.
They gave me the smallest one.
And I was just like, oh, OK.
Because they were like, we'll give them
ones that don't buck too bad.
And so they were like, we'll put them on this one.
They said, the only one with this one is he comes out the gate
and he spins backwards.
So be ready for that.
And I remember I was sitting there on the pool
and had to watch them on TV.
And you know how they get the rope all,
leathered up and greased and everything.
So they were tying off the rope.
And I was sitting on there.
I just remember my heart was in my throat.
And I was like, holy crap, I'm going to do this.
And I just remember they were like, all right,
you just tell us when.
And I said, all right.
And I remember just being like, OK,
I'm going to do it like I was on TV.
So then I shook my hand.
Yes, they opened that gate.
And that bull came out.
And I thought I was on there for like a good four or five
seconds.
It like time stood still.
And I remember finally getting thrown off to the ground.
And I just remember remembering like in the movies,
like the bull is going to come back and like, you know,
turn around and try to get you.
So you better get out of there as quick as possible.
So as soon as I fell off, I took and I ran off going.
And I remember they had like two dogs on the ranch.
And like the dogs came and they like came in the ring
and kind of like help chase the bull to keep it away from me.
And I was like, oh, thank God.
So I remember running.
And I was like, that was so cool.
That was so fun.
But in the picture, somehow my legs like went over my head
and I fell off.
But I was only on for maybe, I don't know, maybe a second.
Maybe two seconds.
No, it was probably two and a half.
You you had some time because it was you probably
got through two, three, four spins in there for sure.
And yeah, your legs did get over your head.
It was kind of funny to watch because that's how you flew off.
It's because all your body weight was going backwards.
And the only thing that was keeping you there
was your hand until you let go.
It was it was pretty it was kind of a it was a sight to see.
So they were going to put me on the same bull, right?
They said, OK, we're going to put you on Chihuahua
because that's kind of the starter.
And so I was already tall at 16 to the point
where I remember getting on that bull's back
and like my legs drug the ground.
And they're like, yeah, that's not going to work.
You remember that?
Yeah, I remember.
They're like, they're like, yeah, that's not going to work.
And it was a really weird feeling sitting in the chute.
Like I'd never been in a chute before like that.
And it's like sitting in a chute on a bull
and your feet are dragging the ground.
And so I was like, yeah, I can't do that.
So they're like, we're going to have
to get you another one.
And the other one was a larger bull.
And it was called the Joker.
And it was not as much of a beginner bull, I don't think.
I don't know what level bull that this was.
But I just know when they put him in the chute,
he was quite a lot more angry than Chihuahua was.
Yeah, he was white.
I remember he was a white bull.
And yeah, like pretty big horns.
Like they were shaved down.
Don't give me like Chihuahua.
I don't remember.
Chihuahua had smaller horns, if I remember correctly.
But Joker had some pretty, I mean,
there were some to look at.
Of course, they're shaved down, but you
don't want to get hit by those things.
And so of course, I'm having to tie this thing on there.
And they show you how to do it ahead of time.
But I mean, it's always different.
You're on the back of this animal, right?
Now you're trying to tie this.
And the knot that they were trying to give us was,
because you don't want to get your hand stuck.
That's something else too.
You watch in bull riding, so many people get their hands stuck.
And that's because they tie it on there so tight.
But especially for beginners, they were like, yeah,
we're not going to have you tie it on there real tight.
So I'm trying to tie this thing down.
And I mean, this bull is going all over the place.
Like at one point, leaned over to the right-hand side.
I pinned my leg up against the chute.
I remember they had to put a 2 by 4 in there.
I pushed it or whatever piece of wood.
And then I pushed the bull off of the side.
And my leg was all pinned.
And so I'm trying to tie this thing.
And I feel kind of like I was trying to get it done.
But they were trying to hurry.
They were like, bro, you got to hurry.
And at one point, it even lunged up
and hit the top of the gate.
Bro, it was ready to go.
I'm telling you, it took a lot to get everything
good with that.
And so I did the same thing.
It was like, man, I saw it on TV, nod the head.
I just remember the gate going open.
And that bull's head going to the left.
And I remember buck buck and I was off.
I probably wasn't on there two seconds.
And I stood up just like Chris.
I was like, man, I'm going to run, get to the fence.
And I took two steps.
And I just face planted.
I remember I tripped and fell and just face planted
right into the dirt.
And then took off running again.
Yeah, that was quite the deal.
And I just remember for the rest of the night,
because of course we were hanging out
in the back of the chutes with the rest of the riders
and whatnot.
And I just remember the rest of the night,
like Joker kept trying to hit that pin towards me the rest
that night.
I remember that.
And I was just like, dang, he's angry, man.
Good grief.
It was fun.
And it was great.
But then I just remember the next day, waking up.
But all my back so sore because all the gentlemen kicks out.
But I also remember too, that being a time in our lives,
we had always grown up in church and everything.
And it was always like, oh, yeah, the people that aren't saved.
They're the worst people.
But those people were so kind and so welcoming.
We didn't know them from anybody.
But they just welcomed us with open arms.
And they were like, hey, they didn't make fun of us
for not being able to ride or anything.
I just remember they were like, hey, come and hang out with us.
And we went down there several other times after that.
And every time we did, it was always
like, hey, how's it going?
When are you ready to ride?
When are you going to come down here and ride more?
And it was just very welcoming.
I do remember though, they had taken a couple of pictures.
They took pictures of you and they took pictures of me.
But that was my profile picture for the longest time.
It was me on the back of the pool.
Yeah, that was my profile picture for a while
was me when I was about to get on.
When I was putting the helmet on, I think
was mine for the longest bit.
Yep, the time we rode bulls there, that was pretty fun.
Would you do it again?
Oh, now?
Yeah, I would.
I would as a one-off thing as a career or as a full-on deal.
Heck, no.
But if it's one of those things, it's
like you hanging out on a Saturday night and it's like,
yeah, $10 to hop on this thing.
Why not, right?
I would give it a shot again, especially
being a little older because I don't know.
And this is a weird side story.
But being 16, I could even tell you football-wise,
I really wasn't as good like hand-eye coordination.
I really like, I guess my mind didn't fit my body
if that makes sense.
And so now, I feel like I'm a lot more in tune
with how all the mechanics work a little better.
So I'm curious if that makes anything different.
Also, another side note, we rode mechanical bulls.
I don't know how many times we had the mechanical bull
to come to the church one time and different things.
And it's not the same at all.
There's nowhere near the same.
Because I remember them putting it on there.
I was like, yep, I'm going to stay on here for a while
because I rode the real thing.
And I was like, it ain't just like this.
It ain't just.
It's totally different.
Totally different.
All right.
Well, we are going to move into the next segment,
which is tie your shoes because you tripping.
We haven't done that one in a minute.
And these are stories about either people getting caught
cheating or worse first date.
So we're going to go the worst first date avenue.
Are you ready?
Okay. Yeah, let's see.
What's up?
All right.
This lady met a guy, of course,
on an internet dating website.
She met him on OKCupid.
I've kind of heard of that one,
but I don't really know of that one, do you?
Isn't it like, I hate to say this,
isn't that kind of the bottom of the barrel one?
Yeah, that one is like plenty of fish, I feel like.
Yeah, yeah.
All right.
No, I'm pretty sure.
Sorry.
So she said he brought his mom to the date.
She dropped him off and then she sat with us for lunch.
It was so awkward.
She was nice and everything,
but the date would text her things during the date.
Like, she's my best friend.
Please don't be mad.
She said it was so awkward.
The first thing I did when I got Alma's laugh so hard,
I could barely stand.
Yep, you can't bring mom on the date.
Ty, yo, she was because you tripped it.
Mommy.
Yeah, that's not cool.
I couldn't believe that.
Hey, she's a trooper, but we're sticking it out.
Yeah, but I don't think that guy got a second date, though.
Oh, heck no.
Heck no.
Yeah, you can't bring your mom to the date, dude.
No way.
Yeah, it's one thing if you want her to meet your mom,
but that's probably like two months.
But after a few dates and after a few dates
and after it's very clear, OK, yeah, you're going to meet my mom
on this day.
We're going to go to lunch.
We're going to go to Red Robin.
You're going to meet my mom.
All right, you're going to like this one.
This lady says she went out to dinner with a guy.
She had only met quickly once before.
She said, we go to dinner, which is OK.
Nothing special.
It was a little awkward.
At the end of the dinner, he asked me if I like dance,
dance, revolution.
I was like, uh, sure, why not?
He then proceeds to tell me he is really good at it
and wants to show me.
So after dinner, he takes me to an arcade
where he spends the next 30 minutes playing dance, dance,
revolution while I watch.
He never asked if I want to play.
He just wants me to watch him.
After that, I was ready to go home.
I never went out with him again.
Boy, you know he was one of those dudes
that was doing all the fast moves
and playing on the both sides of the dance, dance, revolution.
Yeah, he was hopping on both sides.
He was had the sweat ring around on his shirt and everything.
Like he was sweaty by the end of 30 minutes.
You know he was.
Hold on.
I feel like I have to explain what dance, dance,
revolution is.
So kids, back in the day, there was this game called
dance, dance, revolution.
And what you would do is you would have a mat
or be like on this dance board floor.
And there would be arrows like front, back, left, right.
And you would have to like match the arrow
or stomp on the arrow to match it during the song.
It was a lot like guitar hero before guitar hero,
except you were using your feet.
Your feet.
And there were some people that took that serious.
They could play like the hardest level on both sides,
bro.
I remember that.
Yeah.
You would show up to the arcades.
I remember showing up.
This was a show by.
But I remember showing up the fuzz, Phil.
And there was this dude doing that.
And you would see him there every time.
He had this long hair ponytail, but he would always
just be drenched in sweat.
And you'd just be like, man, how long have you been going
at this?
It's been like hours.
But I feel like that's not the worst first date someone
could have.
The guy just played dance, dance, revolution.
I feel like that's not.
No.
Kyo's shoes because you trip them more.
I do feel like it's like, man, you probably
should have invited her to dance with you at one point.
I know he was probably doing the both sides deal.
But it's like, maybe it would have been a little bit more
cardious if you would have asked and been like, hey,
you want to dance with me?
But yeah.
I don't know.
It's not the worst thing in the world.
Yep.
All right.
This next one.
Of course, they met online.
She says they met for coffee and walked to the beach.
She said it immediately started to not go well.
We disagreed about almost everything,
and he even mocked my religious beliefs.
After walking away, he, yep, after walking away,
he asked if I wanted to sit on the beach.
I couldn't believe he wanted this nightmare to last longer.
I obliged.
He said his coffee cup down, and it blew away, but not far.
I said, oh no, your cup blew away.
He looked and shrugged and ignored it.
He said, I litter all the time.
Yeah, like if I have a bag of McDonald's trash,
I'll just throw it off the window.
That's what prisoners are for.
Ty, yo, shoot, could you trip in home, boy?
This guy was crazy, man.
I don't know.
There are people out there like that, man.
There are people out there like that.
I know this person.
It's part of my wife's family, bro.
And these are the kind of people that
be watching Netflix while driving and wondering
why he gets pulled over for doing 100
and weaving in and out of traffic while watching Netflix.
I'm telling you.
Oh my gosh, dude.
This is a side note, and we'll get back to this.
But I'm amazed at the people who watch Netflix at their job.
You know what I mean?
I could never do that.
Netflix at their job, or.
Yeah, there's so many people that will watch shows
or binge watch shows while at work.
It's one thing if you're working an overnight job,
like manning a phone, and you're waiting for calls to come in.
I get that.
But just regular at your job, you're watching Netflix.
No.
Yeah.
The only other time it's like, if you in the break room
or on a break, but that's about it.
Mama raised me different.
Yep.
This lady went out for coffee with a former classmate.
He showed up half an hour late wearing baggy sweatpants
with suspicious stains all over them.
She said that she had been amusing herself
by doing the crossword while waiting on this guy.
And when he arrived, he sat down and pulled my crossword
over to him.
He looked at it for a moment and then said,
women who read are fine and all, but it
isn't very attractive to show off.
We did not have a second date.
Hi, yo, shoes, because you trippin', bro.
You can't be saying stuff like that.
And what were the stains?
What did he show?
What was he doing beforehand?
I don't want to know.
Denver Mustard Stains.
Yep.
Tio shoes because you trippin'.
That's crazy.
All right, last one.
She said it was her first date with this guy,
simple dinner in a movie.
On the way home, driving down the highway,
he decides to start driving 110 in a 65 mile an hour zone.
He got pulled over and subsequently arrested.
The guy's mom had to come pick her up,
be this to say, I never went out with him again.
That's horrible.
Man, he went Dom Toretto on the honum, huh?
He was just like, you know what?
It's all about family.
And this is what family is about.
And he started driving 110 or what?
Yeah, I guess so.
I guess he was trying to show off or something.
I don't know.
Well, he showed himself right to a jail sale.
That's what he did.
So that's good.
It was her first date and she got to see the red flags.
I'm sure she never wanted to go out with him again.
Got to see the red flags and got to meet his mom.
So, you know, got all the birds in one stone.
That's awkward.
Well, that's it for Tio shoes because you trippin'.
Man.
That's very interesting.
Got to love Tio shoes because you trippin'.
That's always one of my favorite segments.
You know, one of my other favorite segments is,
and guess what?
It's every single week for the most part
while we do our regular schedule program.
And it's not a freeform episode.
It's Donut Hole.
And Chris, what is your Donut Hole today?
Are we doing a quiz?
You know it's a quiz.
Oh, man.
We are doing Disney trivia either part two or part three.
I don't remember what part it is.
Well, I know Disney trivia.
Will I be bad at it?
Yes.
I didn't ask any questions about movies
that I wasn't sure if you had seen or not.
I tried to stick within movies that I thought
you probably would have seen.
So I tried not to trick you up too much.
All right.
Sounds good.
Let's see how I do.
All right.
Number one, what is the rat's name in the movie Ratatouille?
A, Ratatouille, B, Remi, C, Doug, or D, Chuck?
Isn't it Ratatouille?
No.
It is Remi.
That's kind of a misconception.
Everybody thinks that the rat's name is Ratatouille.
Ratatouille is the dish that they help serve at the end.
But his name is Remi.
Yeah.
I've actually only seen that movie once,
and it was on a cruise ship, believe it or not.
That's actually one of my wife's favorite movies,
really?
Surprisingly.
She really likes that movie.
And I'm like, eh, I can take it or leave it.
I'm not crazy about it.
All right.
How many ghosts live in the Haunted Mansion?
Have you seen the Haunted Mansion?
Yes, I have.
It's been a long time, but I've seen the Haunted Mansion.
How many ghosts live in the Haunted Mansion?
A, 666, B, 900, C, 999, or D, 1,000?
Wasn't it 666?
It is 999, sir.
Oh, OK.
It's been a long time.
666 makes me sick.
You know they recently just remade that movie?
Did they?
Yeah, it wasn't too bad.
It was way different from the original one,
so it wasn't like a reboot.
But it was, and there were no callbacks to the original one.
It was kind of like its own side piece.
I guess it was a reboot, but it had a whole different storyline.
It was very interesting.
The original one is kind of goofy.
Yes, it is.
So I guess we'll have to see the new one.
All right, this one might trip you up.
How many sisters does Ariel have from the Little Mermaid?
A, 3, B, 4, C, 5, or D, 6?
6, right?
Yeah, that is correct.
It was 6.
Yeah, that's a lot.
Who's their mom?
That's what I want to know, or is it different moms?
Yeah, they didn't talk about that.
Daisy didn't elaborate.
Maybe Ursula is their mom.
Just secretly.
Oh, no.
Ooh.
All right, which of the following Disney princess movies
was considered a box office flop?
Like, it didn't do that good at the box office.
Yeah.
A, Snow White, B, Sleeping Beauty, C, Cinderella, or D, Aladdin?
I feel like it was Snow White.
Wasn't it Snow White?
No, it was Sleeping Beauty.
Snow White was actually the first one
that Walt Disney ever came out with,
and it was quite successful.
That's what I was thinking.
Or I was thinking that it was Snow White, Sleeping Beauty,
close enough, Tom jokes.
All right, on this one, do your best guess,
because I didn't even know this one.
This is kind of a fun fact.
Which Disney movie got recalled because there
was a topless woman in the background?
A, The Jungle Book, B, The Great Mouse Detective,
C, The Rescuers, or D, Aladdin?
Wasn't it Jungle Book?
It was The Rescuers.
Actually, in The Jungle Book, the only human that's
in there is Mowgli.
I guess that's true.
I was just like, in case there was something I didn't notice.
But I've always heard of hidden Disney animations.
So down, you could see stuff at this part.
I've heard that stuff, too.
I don't know.
Yeah.
What 80s heartthrob was the inspiration
for the animation of the character Aladdin?
A, Johnny Depp, B, Emilio Estevez, C, Brad Pitt,
or D, Tom Cruise?
Think about who Aladdin looks like the most.
I wouldn't say Tom.
See, I was thinking Tom Cruise because he
had the hair at the time, like that 80s long hair.
Is that your final answer?
No.
Emilio Estevez.
Oh, you should have stuck with Tom Cruise.
Yeah.
It was Tom Cruise?
Yeah, but it was Tom Cruise.
Yeah.
I was thinking about the hair is the similar part to me.
All right, next one.
What is the most expensive Disney movie ever made?
So which Disney movie out of these cost the most?
A, The Little Mermaid, B, Cars, C, Tangled, or D, Up?
D, Up.
Wasn't it Cars?
It was Tangled.
I don't know why it cost the most, but apparently it was Tangled.
There was something about Cars that broke the record for something.
I feel like it cost a lot.
No, no, I remember what it was.
Cars was like the initial thing.
It was supposed to be something that was supposed to be in the 50s or 60s
and then come out until 05.
OK.
What is Boo's real name for Monster Z?
A, Mary, B, Kate, C, Ashley, or D, Megan?
Isn't it Kate?
It is Mary.
Dang, man, I've done all of these wrong.
I'm just bad.
You got one right.
All right.
Which Disney song won two Academy Awards?
A, a whole new world from Aladdin.
B, Beauty and the Beast from Beauty and the Beast.
C, Colors of the Wind from Pocahontas.
Or D, Part of Your World from Little Mermaid?
I'm going to go with A.
It is Colors of the Wind from Pocahontas.
OK.
The option that I thought it was going to be didn't end up coming up,
I thought it was going to be one of Phil Collins songs from Tarzan.
Oh, yeah.
You'll be my heart.
That's a shout out for Zach Brodie of Cheats,
because he always started on that song whenever he had a heartbreak.
OK.
Number 10.
How old is Snow White in the movie?
Like, how old is she supposed to be?
A, 13, B, 14, C, 15, or D, 16?
Ooh.
Were they at 14?
Yes, sir.
It is 14.
Yeah, she's pretty young.
I'm like, two young people following her.
Yeah, and wasn't the prince supposed to be like in his 20s or something?
I don't know, bro.
I don't know how old he's supposed to be.
But she's 14.
It's just like somebody need to keep an eye on that situation.
So I'm saying.
Well, that was our donut hole.
And speaking of our next segment,
it is what fries my donuts.
And Micah, I know something's got you really fried up this week.
What is it?
Man.
OK, so you're really good at this.
I've got kind of, I wouldn't say it's a loose point,
but I have a point that maybe you can clarify,
because you know me well, and maybe I'll spit it out.
Maybe it'll come out great.
But I can't stand hopelessly optimistic people.
And when they are just in their farcical behind world
and don't look at the facts of what's going on around them.
For instance, there are so many people that, you know,
I'm OK with there being forgiveness and things like that.
But there's a balance.
Sometimes people ain't going to change.
Sometimes your work's not going to change.
Sometimes your boss ain't going to change.
Sometimes the situation you're in is not going to change.
Sometimes there's things.
And you can look around and you can see all this stuff.
But people will think that, oh, man, it's going to change.
And it will run them into the ground.
And what's interesting is it's frustrating watching
these people be so optimistic towards a situation.
And you go, it's very clear how the outcome is going to be.
I don't know.
Did that make sense?
So what you're trying to say is basically kind of,
like you said, hopelessly optimistic,
but maybe just naive and delusional, optimistic.
Yeah, there you go.
When are you going to wake up?
Now, do you think that these people are choosing to be that way
because they really don't want to face the reality?
Is that what you think?
I think that's part of it.
And then I think that part of it is,
I think there are some people that are out there that truly just
get swept away by things.
And what I mean by that is they get, they're easily taken.
They're easily, I guess, gullible.
They're easily, I don't think that it's one of those things
to where they don't want to face the reality.
But then I feel like there are some people that just,
it's not built into them to look at the facts of what's going on.
And they just automatically think optimistic,
but at the same time, I guess what aggravates me the most
on that front is it's more of a lack of effort.
Even though maybe that's not your first initial instinct
to look at these things, you got to look at these things,
especially with how life goes.
You know, I don't know.
It's kind of like that saying, fool me once, shame on you,
but fool me twice, shame on me, right?
Like, it's like, oh, I got fooled again.
At some point, it's like, hold on.
It's like, where are you going to draw the line?
Yeah, you're not being wise and you're not smart.
No, I totally get that.
And I honestly can say, I think I used to be that way,
to be honest with you, because I was pretty gullible
and hopelessly optimistic.
And like, oh, no, I see the best in this person,
and they'll change.
And then some people will be like, well, why would they do that?
Like, why would they just take advantage of people like that?
Like, it's hard for me to see that.
Why would they do that?
And it's like, if it's a repeated behavior, right?
It's like, because that person is not a good person.
So I can, I'm not trying to judge,
because I can say easily, like, I have followed
into that trap before.
Right.
And it's really hard on that front,
because you want to give those people the grace
to be in that space.
And especially because if you are,
if that is something that you're not aware of, right?
I think what's also hard is, sometimes these people,
you'll make them aware of these situations.
And again, it is that responsive.
Really?
Is that what it, like, why would it be like that?
And you're going, put all the facts together.
Now that I've told you, it should instantly click.
Like, to me, it's like, a lot of it
should instantly click in your mind and go,
wait, that makes a lot of sense, actually.
You know, all this has been going on.
But a lot of it has, like, really?
And it's a lot of disbelief still.
And you're going, listen now.
I mean, it's right there.
It's not.
At some point, those people have to take accountability,
because if it's like, oh, you got hustled.
OK, the first time, again, it's like, oh, like,
I feel bad for you, I hustle.
But when you're continually getting, like,
taken advantage of, you have to be like, OK, now,
like, you're enabling this problem.
Like, you, like, did you not learn your lesson
from the first five times?
Like, come on now.
But I think maybe probably what the part that frustrates you,
and not everybody has this, but you have that gut check
with people.
You had that gift of discernment.
So you always, when you come into a situation,
usually before people can know that it's
a bad situation, you already know.
And you're like, hey, this person is bad,
or this situation is bad.
People aren't listening to you.
And so I think the whole hopelessly, like, oh, like,
you're choosing not to believe it.
I think that's maybe what bothers you or rubs you
the wrong way.
Is that fair to say?
Yeah, there's that on that front.
And then if you talk about even more on a professional front,
for myself, it's, you know, I've got a bunch of stuff
that's going on at work.
One thing that's coming, I've got a project
that's coming to an end.
But I have a lot of people who are very optimistic that, no,
no, we can keep this going.
No, no, we can keep this.
And they want to live out this.
I hate to sound so rude, but it's
like this farcical dream world of, OK, here's what's going on.
And it's like, the facts are the facts.
We've already been told, like, hey,
the project is coming to an end.
Let's take our time to wrapping that up
and moving on to the next thing versus sitting here
and continuing to do what we were doing before and, in fact,
helping them further or whatever, right?
That's not an effective use of our time.
And I think that's what a lot of it is,
is you could see a lot of these people, individuals,
or even professionally, situations professionally.
You could see a lot of this stuff, the potential for it
to get better.
And it's right in front of them the most of the time.
And it's not hard to grasp.
But it's either, one, they don't want to see it.
They don't want to do the work.
And that's the majority of the time.
And that's what's frustrating.
Or two, they just don't see it.
And you might be able to put it and show it six ways to Sunday,
but they're not going to see it just because they're not
going to see it.
And so it's just hard.
It's hard being on the outside, looking in and going,
hey, I can see what's coming from this.
Yeah.
And I really think that those people in that situation,
I think it really is maybe a defense mechanism.
Because it's easier for me to believe this farcical dream
well then for me to accept the truth that this project is over.
And now I have to get out of a place that was comfortable for me.
You know, like when people are, you know,
they get arrested for inappropriate things or scandals.
And there are people like, there's hard, cold evidence.
Like, yes, this person did it.
It's not just speculation at this point.
But then people are like, no, there's no way.
And it's like, I think your brain is
like trying to protect you from accepting the pain
and the reality of having to process all that stuff.
So instead of accepting it, then you become
into this delusional state.
But it is frustrating nonetheless.
I don't mean to go way in depth with this,
but the problem with that is, you know,
giving the analogy of like sowing seeds, right?
Sitting out there putting seed out manually by hand.
You put a seed out like that.
And the only thing that is going to grow,
if anything grows, is going to be something that's negative.
There is nothing positive that can come out of that.
Because you're lying to yourself.
Like that's the whole part about it,
is you're lying to yourself.
And once you start on that, then you start lying to yourself
about a whole bunch of other stuff.
And it gets bad quick.
Anyways, and what's hard about that is,
I'm speaking from personal experience there too.
Like that's, I've gone through that too.
So man, we're getting in depth on the Donut Box podcast.
But now that's what fries my donuts.
And yeah, it's like, I hope for these people and situations
and things like that.
But at the same time, a lot of times it's best
just to see it for what it is and be able to, you know,
go from the situation where you're at and go forward
from the situation instead of spinning your wheels.
Great.
Well, we're not going to end this podcast with crap.
We're going to end this podcast with our positive advice.
And that's our E-Clair.
So Micah, I'm going to let you do the honors of going first.
All right.
So my positive advice for this week,
we expect things to build and grow so fast, right?
We expect all this progress.
And a lot of times when we get into something like,
you know, starting a YouTube page or starting something,
you know, maybe it's a business.
Maybe it's a side business.
Maybe it's a new job.
Maybe it's, you know, you can fill in the blank a hobby even.
You might think, oh, man, I'm just going to get right into it.
And some things you can.
But most things, it takes time.
You know, one of the things that I absolutely hate hearing
is, well, Rome wasn't built in a day.
But it's absolutely true.
And so, you know, greatness is built over time.
There are very few people that are overnights in the stations,
right?
And so the thing is, it's going to take time.
But in that process, you're going
to learn the things that you need to know for when
greatness is achieved.
And that's what the most important bit is about.
So, you know, it may get discouraging after a while
because it's like, man, I thought this was going to kick off.
And that's why so many people quit
is because they think, man, I'm just going to get into this.
And, you know, I'm going to be a great musician.
And I'm going to go tour with Bruce Springsteen next summer
because I picked up a guitar on Saturday.
You know, these are great dreams.
But a lot of the time, that doesn't happen.
But that doesn't mean we quit, right?
It just means that we just take it one step at a time
and keep that goal in mind.
And there are very few overnight sensations.
So don't worry about it.
Yeah, I hope this isn't too edgy.
But not everyone is going to be like the hot tour girl.
Get to the 15 minutes of fame, bro.
Yeah.
Do you see, like, now she's like, that's kind of drying up
for her?
Like, she's sang at a country concert
and then everybody was like, uh, no.
All right.
Yeah.
That was a little rebel.
But so mine is kind of going back to what
Michael was talking about on the,
what fries my donuts, right?
And it's, and it's to keep your eyes alert, right?
Be a vigilant and people really will show you who they are
eventually.
And so when you see little signs of people's true colors
coming out, you have to assess like, hey, is this a mistake?
Or is this really who this person is?
Is this a pattern of behavior?
And you allow, you're the one who, who allows things in your
life.
And so if a person or a work situation or any kind of
situation is toxic or it's not good for you, you have to be
the one to assess like, hey, should I stay or should I get
out?
And ultimately, if people show you their true colors and
they're not good colors, like it's not going to get any better.
I do believe that people can change and will change.
But if it continues to be a repeated pattern, then you
should probably assess like, hey, do I really need this in my
life?
Is this healthy for me?
I'm not saying you have to totally ghost them or cut them
off, but you can draw boundaries.
You can draw that line.
And so no, when it's, when it's okay to leave, right?
Like, and if you have to leave, that's more than okay.
And don't feel like your failure for leaving.
So like Micah said, don't live in a farcical world.
When people show you their true colors, take them at face value
because, because it's true.
Yeah.
And the thing is I used to think that there was no such thing
as a no win situation, that there was going to be
some way that you figured out and you'll win the situation.
Not to sound bad, but it's like, that's not necessarily true.
And I had to learn that lesson over time.
And just because you, you know, if you identify a situation
and maybe you've been in it too long or something's going on
and you're like, man, I do need to get out, that's not
quitting.
If you feel like the situation is a no win situation.
Because again, I sat in situations before because I
thought, oh no, I'm not going to quit on this situation.
There's got to be a way that this could get better.
And sometimes it's not your battle to fight.
So.
Exactly.
Well, we are wrapping up and dude, we're creeping into August,
man.
We are creeping into August.
Already, which means just two months away for the most part,
or I guess three months away at this point,
from it being another season here and 150 episodes as well.
We're coming up on that.
So, you know, things are pretty wild over at Trashcan Network,
over at the Trashcan Network.
And then we also got the Aviator Society over on Instagram,
if you want to go see the flying stuff.
Of course, Trashcan Network's got some of that.
And it's got a variety of other things as well.
Like man, I've talked about it before,
but did you know that constipation killed more people
last year than sharks?
Do you know that?
Yeah, well, guess what?
You're going to keep on hearing it so that people
go and check out the video.
Take a look for yourself, see what you think,
and maybe you'll find something quite interesting.
But that's all I have.
You know what I don't want to see?
Stephen?
My cousin Stephen, you tell you, pay my mom back.
Well, with that, I think it's time
to take the Tona Pocs out to the Trashcan.
I'm Chris.
And I'm Micah.
And this is the Tona Pocs podcast.
Stephen, if we see you around here again,
if I see you on that ring camera one more time,
we're going to make sure that you got no fingers left
on both hands.
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