So what is one movie or TV show that has got you through a tough time in your life?
This is gonna sound interesting, but the Sopranos.
I don't know.
Yeah, I know.
It's a mobster show, whatnot.
But like, I don't know.
Something about it was just like, it got me through a few breakups like a lot.
I don't know.
It's just, it reminds you like, you don't, you don't need them.
You can do it on your own.
I don't know.
Something about it.
What about you?
Was it that like, just mobster, like this is really the person that I want to be and
like, you know what, they don't care about the world or anybody else.
And so that's how I'm feeling right now.
Nah, not really.
It was more, I don't know.
I don't know how to describe it.
It was more like, there's aspects of it, but not like the Guido, like mobster feel to it.
I don't know how to exactly describe it.
I think it's more, you know, I'm gonna think of this 2am.
What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna wake up at 2am and be like, oh yeah, that's the perfect
explanation for this.
But you know, it's, it's aspects of it, but it's not, you know, it's not the mobster Guido
part of it.
Cool.
I think mine is the office.
I had seen a couple of episodes of the office and I know you always love the office growing
up and you would always be like, watch the office, watch the office.
And I was like, eh, I don't know.
But then when I went through my divorce, I was sleeping on my buddy Travis's couch with
shout out Travis, thank you for letting me sleep on your couch during that time.
And he was like, let's watch the office.
Like maybe it'll cheer you up.
And I remember the first episode was the, was the inappropriate one about corporate
having to come in about sexual harassment.
I was like, this isn't that funny.
And then I continued watching the other episodes and it like, it helped distract me from like
what was going on.
So I would say the office got me through a tough time.
You know, maybe that's, that's a good way to describe it.
I think the soprano is kind of distracted, you know, because there's a full storyline
of like a business and things like that.
And it's a good distraction because you can wrap yourself in the storyline and you know,
it's like, oh yeah, he's about to get whacked and stuff like that.
I don't know.
I think that's a very good description.
It's distracting, but it's also a tough guy attitude on top of it.
Well, I'm Chris and I'm Micah.
And this is the Donut Box podcast.
Well, welcome back to another week.
Man, you have been playing NCAA a lot.
This is, it just came out like recently.
So how has that been for you?
You keep saying I play it a lot.
It's only been, I think I've only played like five games total.
Okay.
So far, like, let me rephrase it.
Not that you've been playing a lot.
Like you are excited for this game.
Maybe I should.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I've seen a lot of it.
I was hyped for it.
Yeah.
So unfortunately, now you would have been right if I had time.
Like, right now, my time is really, really crunched.
But like, if I had the opportunity to, I'd be playing the mess out of it.
It's very fun.
Like, you know, sometimes EA games is really bad, especially like Madden and stuff like
that, especially the last, what, like 10 years for the most part.
But man, they really did well.
There's some areas of improvement, but I mean, this is the first game out in 11 years for
it.
And so it's really, really good.
I even bought a new console for it, man, which is unlike me.
Yeah.
So for our international listeners, American football, the call at the college level, EA
sports hasn't made a game for that in about 11 years.
And so now that they have made it, a lot of people are excited about it because you can
now play as your favorite universities.
And so a lot of people are excited for it.
I guess I should say I've never seen you like this excited for something in a long time.
And so it's like, cool to be like, bro, like you're excited, dude.
So I'm happy for you.
Yeah, absolutely.
Thanks, man.
Yeah.
Because incidentally 14, the one from 11 years ago, like I still played that.
I have a old console that I've been kind of, you know, limping along, so to say, to get
it to work and whatnot.
And so it was nice when this came out, be able to get the new system.
Something else I was able to get to was, you know, I had Red Dead Redemption 2, but then
I had, I installed the first Red Dead 2, or not like the second one, but the original Red
Dead Redemption as well.
So like, I'm going to start playing through that.
So it's cool, man.
I'm excited.
And I've already started a team, man.
So but anyways, we're going to get into it.
And we got some questions to ask.
And these aren't these AI generated ones, you know, as friends, we're going to ask each
other interview style questions and we're going to see different things.
Most of the stuff we know about each other.
And that's why we're able to develop these questions and really, you know, see what they
say.
But you know, who knows, maybe I'll learn something about my bud.
Maybe I'll learn something about me.
Maybe we'll come up with some really good questions that'll blow each other out of the
water.
I'm not sure.
But man, how long have we been friends now?
I'm trying to think it's been since 2003, right?
Yeah, so it's 21 about to be 22 years, dude.
Like when I think about that, that blows my mind that we've known each other for 22 years.
Yeah.
And you know, definitely, I mean, I'm going to use a little bit of, you know, we're definitely
lucky, blessed, whatever you want to call it, that had a friendship for that long just
because it's, you know, most people don't, man.
I mean, how many people, there's very few people out there.
I'll say that has a friend that's long term and you know, is going to be with you for
life.
So, you know, blessed in that facet, but we know each other pretty darn well.
And man, you want to crack out the question, the first question.
Mike is my brother from another mother.
So I'll kind of start off with a softball one, kind of going into your background.
Tell me about being an only child and how that like affected you growing up.
Like I know obviously you probably always wanted a brother or sister, but kind of tell
me about how being an only child affected, how you saw things or the way you were raised.
Well, you know, I think that it was, you just kind of had to go with what was around you.
It was also a little different for me because I was military child.
I didn't move around as much as some of the other military children that I knew, but moved
around a little bit.
And you know, that definitely helped me adjust on the fly and give, give me a little bit
more ability to be able to adjust to things rapidly as far as social situations and things
like that.
But I guess the biggest thing, man, is you don't have any siblings.
You can't blame anything else on the siblings or, you know, all eyes are on you.
You're the only report card coming home.
You know, I'm sure there were times, you know, you have siblings.
I'm sure there were times when you were at home that there were maybe things that you
did, but you know, your sibling did something else and that was the main distraction point.
And it's like, well, thank God they're taking the heat, right?
I don't know if that happened, but like, at least on my end, there is none of that.
There is no buffer.
And not like I could blame the dog even though I tried.
Let me, let me ask you kind of a couple of follow up questions now.
Like with people that have siblings, they're used to fighting and everything like that.
And so sometimes maybe with only kids, it's hard to like either live with another person
or get along with like a spouse or a partner.
Did you find being an only child affected your ability to do that or not really?
It's hard because, you know, my father was a narcissist and my mother just followed along
with them.
So it just depended on what the flavor of the month was and what was going on, which
was the appropriate thing to follow.
And so for me, it was like either stay in line or you got a fight.
And so a lot of times the fights just weren't worked it.
You had to pick your battles and a lot of things.
And I think, yeah, that did carry over a lot into the roommates that I had when I, you
know, started living out on my own.
And then of course my wife, I think it carries over because there was a lot of times where
even I guess up until here recently, I would stay, you know, I haven't had roommates for
a while, you know, besides my wife and not, she's not really a roommate, you know, you
can go anywhere that she can go in there, you know, with roommates, you don't really
want to go in the room and it's kind of awkward.
Anyways, what I'm saying is apartment wise, I still sometimes forget like, yes, you can
go into the living room, like you can go hang out in the living room, you know, your TV's
out there, you know, it's totally okay to be in a common space.
Nobody else is out there, right?
There's been apartment spaces where I mean, the living room's totally set up, but I would
just never go out there at all.
And part of it is my bedroom was upstairs for a lot of my childhood.
And so it's just like, and everybody else was downstairs.
So you go upstairs, you shut yourself in, and it's kind of your little place of sanity,
I guess, you know, amongst all this stuff.
So I guess that's where it affects me the most is just kind of still having some of
those behaviors of if other people around that you don't want to necessarily interact
with.
Yeah, I totally get.
All right.
One last follow up question, because the closest that Micah really had to be having a brother,
I guess, was me, but I didn't like live with him, you know, I'd go on trips and everything
except for whenever we moved out of Texas.
And then I, I, we had to share a room.
So and we were 18, yeah, 18 years old, 17, 18 years old.
Now being an only child, how much did that affect you having to share a room with someone
else for that extended period of time?
Because it was what, six, eight months, something like that.
Yeah, it was six to eight months.
It wasn't bad.
There was definitely stuff that I, so I guess it's all about where your mind sits at, right?
So my mindset at the time was, okay, I'm going to go to college.
I'm going to live in the dorm room.
You're going to share a room with somebody, right?
So it's like, you might as well get used to this.
So I think with that mindset already, and I mean, you're, you're not too bad.
I mean, we both had a very good understanding of, okay, this is your side.
This is my side.
This is all of my stuff.
You know, I guess we were pretty respectful of our sides and our stuff, right?
So it wasn't, it wasn't too bad.
The parts that were bad was, if I remember correctly, the AC in that room didn't work
very well.
So we'd get like really hot and stuffy in there.
I remember that.
And then, you know, if there's two guys in there, you let a few go as far as like breaking
wind, farting, whatever you want to call it, bro.
It starts, it starts stinking in there and it's a little hot and they wouldn't let us
open the windows because they had these little alarms on the windows and stuff.
It's like, they wouldn't let us open the windows.
And so I don't know, bro.
It was, it had its moments, but I did like just being able to like, I mean, when it was
chill, we got to chill in there and play video games until they took the Xbox out.
Yeah, that kind of sucked.
I think the only thing that was like, that caused the tension, I think, maybe you, again,
when you have people having to share a room for six to eight months, which was kind of
unnecessary because they had another room, but they wanted to use it for the guest bedroom
but anyways, that's besides the point.
So nobody was in there.
Yeah, nobody was in there.
Ever.
But I think it was maybe just a like a schedule thing because I know you at that time, you
were a little bit more of a night owl and wanting to like stay up and then like all
that.
So that never really bothered me, but I think sometimes, you know, being in those quarters,
you just get on each other's nerves and you're just kind of, and you don't have nowhere to
go.
That's your room.
So, when you're upset, like, you can't really do much, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
And, you know, it was interesting too because at that time, yeah, I was a night owl to where,
you know, 11, 12, one o'clock in the morning was time to come in.
And I know there was a little bit of tension there because at one point you were working
at the King and I or whatever you want to call it.
And so you're working over there and it was a breakfast place.
So you had to be there at what five or you had to get up at five.
I don't remember.
It was like really early.
And so I know there was some tension.
And also to the woman, the girl I was dating at the time, she did not like Micah and she
was always in my ear about how awful Micah was.
And so, so that caught that was just like tension because it's like I wanted to hang out with
my buddy, but I also didn't want to make my girlfriend mad at the time too.
So there was there was a lot of tension.
But anyway, sorry, that was kind of a rabbit hole, but I just wanted to ask like how being
the only child affected you, affected like you being able to like, you know, with your
wife now sharing a space and all that stuff.
So I was just curious.
Yeah.
It's it's interesting how a lot of that stuff works.
A lot of people, I guess the common misconception that a lot of people have about only child
and I'll get off of that.
A lot of people I've always heard, oh, you're an only child.
You're so lucky.
I think that's a bad assumption.
I think I think everything in life is pretty even, right?
It's yeah, there are some things that again, siblings can be horrible.
Okay.
I've seen a lot of bad sibling situations and I do sit here as an only child going,
you know, thank God, I don't have any brothers or sisters that I have to deal with this kind
of stuff.
But at the same time, it's, you know, you're having to deal with a lot more things.
It's, it's hard to explain, especially, I mean, think about this, even if, you know,
I had parents that I spoke to and had a good relationship with, there's still that pressure
of getting a good job, having a career, maybe going to college, whatever the goals are,
right?
There's still all that pressure.
Think about this.
You don't have a brother or sister that has that pressure too.
It's all on you.
And if you have really overbearing parents that are like, oh yeah, you're going to be
a doctor or a lawyer.
Ooh, it could be very tough.
It can be really tough.
And it's, you know, I think the best example is Connie Super Moussa Vong from King of the
Hill.
You know how all con be pushing her like that?
It's, it's, you know, I mean, there's a lot of only children that are like that.
And it's like the spotlight's on you because you're the only one.
So it's, I guess, you know, it's a give and take.
There are some things you don't have to deal with, but then there are some other things
like those pressure filled things you have to deal with.
So it's definitely different balancing work and personal life is really, really challenging.
Right?
How do you manage to find this balance?
Or have you found that you've been able to find this balance?
I think I've, I've had to struggle to find that.
But honestly, I think again, like my face is a part of the way I live.
And so, you know, part of, you know, being a Christian is, is like resting on the Sabbath.
And that's not just like a religious principle.
That's just like a good life principle of taking one day to recharge because I found that I
can do more after resting for a day.
Then it's like when you have your phone battery on like 20%, right?
Like you're like, okay, like worrying that you're, you're, or your battery in a drill
is on like 20%.
Right?
And then it's kind of there, but it's kind of working and it's overworking.
But when you take some time to recharge it, then it comes back and it does the job quicker
than ever.
So I think doing that, I think also realizing, hey, like my work is going to be there tomorrow.
And so if it's not life or death, it's okay.
And then I think again, being married has really kind of helped me with that because
I'm like, okay, the more time I'm at work, the less time I have to spend with my wife.
And so it's important for me to make sure that we have our time together and like, yes,
like we have people that we have to hang out with and we have things that we have to do.
But I think wanting to make sure we have all the time together and just to rest, because
I know that when I get to a point of being stressed, like I am not a fun person to be
around.
And I've, I've realized that.
And so I think finding that work life balance has been a struggle, but I wouldn't say I've
mastered it, but I'm definitely more aware of it than I used to be.
Yeah, absolutely.
Follow-up question to that.
Is there, was there ever a point where you said, okay, I really need to start prioritizing
myself over work because I know for a long time, especially how we were raised, you
really put that job first.
I mean, whatever you're doing, that's for the most part, that's what you do.
So was, where was that pivotal moment, if you remember, of, you know what, man, maybe
I'm not all about the company like that.
You know, I need to really take care of myself first and, you know, take care of the personal
relationships, take care of my job, but also take my time too.
Think as far as like from a rest aspect of like, hey, I need to take some time to rest.
I think it was probably around 2016.
I don't know, I just realized, hey, like it's important for me to rest.
I don't know what flipped and I just started having that mentality.
And then, you know, when my dad came to visit me for the last time, I really made sure,
like dad, like let's take some time for us to rest and like, you know, you're on here
on vacation, like relax because he would like want to, you know, do work and so I was like,
no, like you're on vacation, like let's relax.
As far as like taking time for me personally and like doing things that help refill my
tank, it was probably honestly after my divorce because before then, if I was off, I would
be doing things for my, well, she's my ex-wife now, but she was my girlfriend at the time
and I would always be spending all my time with her because she was very controlling
and I could only really do activities that she approved of.
And so I think after my divorce, I started going on this journey of like discovering
what do I really enjoy doing?
Do I enjoy video games?
Do I enjoy the arcade?
What do I really enjoy doing?
What fills my tank?
And so I think after then, then I realized, okay, I need to do things that refill my tank
because part of the Sabbath is yes, you're worshiping God, but you're also enjoying his
creation.
And so if enjoying his creation is going to the arcade and enjoying that, cool.
Enjoying his creation is doing yard work and that brings you joy and fulfillment.
Like, wow, I mean, do it.
Now, that's not my idea of a filling my tank, but yeah.
So I guess that answering your question.
Yeah.
No, for sure.
For sure.
All right.
I'm going to ask this question again.
Most of my questions I'm going to ask is kind of maybe around our friendship or just
kind of your background.
If we could switch lives for a day, what would you do as we?
Oh, man.
So do you want my real answer?
You want my joke answer?
You do want both?
I want both.
All right.
So I'm going to come into your apartment.
I'm going to sell every bit of those wrestling figures you have so I can get the cash, right?
No, I'm joking.
Everyone?
Listen, we got to, I'm not a wrestling fan.
So if I'm you, we got to clear it out, baby.
We got to get the money.
No, I'm joking.
I guess so.
I'm joking.
That's that's my joke answer.
But for real, I am curious what the day in life must be like.
Now can we cut out the frustrating parts like you not having volunteer show up and stuff?
You can cut that out.
But it's like, if I could, yeah, if I could see day to day stuff, understand how your
brain works a little more because there's some things, listen, we're really, really
close on.
There's some things that you do that I'm like, man, I don't understand, but I'm sure
that you're the same way with me.
So all right.
I think if I were you, don't take this the wrong way.
Yeah, I was going to ask that.
I'm going to take a day off.
I'm going to, I'm going to have a full day off.
Nobody's going to bother me about nothing.
I'm going to go to a hotel and watch TV.
I just watch TV.
That is my gift to you.
Here we go.
If I'm, if I'm here, I appreciate that.
If I'm, ain't nobody going to call me.
Well, I guess if I'm you and I'm married to your wife, then, you know, your wife can
call.
That's a weird paradox, whatever.
That'll be the only person that's allowed to call you if I'm you.
There you go.
Yeah.
And for, for the listeners, for some weird reason, going to a hotel and just like, you
could be watching the same old TV show you've seen a million times, but it's just great.
Just laying in bed and watching TV at the hotel.
I don't know what it is.
So that does sound like a good plan.
Are you telling me I'm overworked or I'm working too hard?
What are you saying?
Uh, yes, that's what I'm telling you.
All right.
Well, all right.
So my next question for you, sir, what was one of your favorite memories from our childhood
or early friendship?
So reaching back, is there one that you're like, yeah, I remember that.
And that was probably one of my favorites from back then.
I would probably, uh, I would, how early, like early on in our friendship, like how
early give me like a window, I guess pre Tony's cell group.
Okay.
So before 2006, um, I would probably have to say, maybe not like one specific memory,
but just going over to your house after church on Sundays, because we would always coordinate.
Like we would never ask our parents ahead of time.
It was always the day of be like, Hey, can I go over to his house?
Can I come hang out?
And uh, yeah, I think that was, I think also, um, when we stayed up till like 3am and we
watched the Chappelle show, um, together.
Uh, I, for some reason really remember, it was just probably really early on in our
friendship when we went to the, uh, Six Flags together, um, I, uh, because I think it was
like military day or something or your, your dad got a special deal on it or something.
And I pumped out the entire day.
I just remember like, like I spent the night and your maternal unit was trying to wake
you up and you were just like, let's just cancel the whole trip.
And I was like, bro, we're going to Six Flags.
Like I'm going to wake you up and we're going to get there.
So even now I say that to my wife, like what anytime we go to the trip, going to the trip,
I just wake up and I say, let's just cancel the whole trip.
And she'll just look at the whole thing.
Yep.
So those are probably some of my favorite, those are probably some of my favorite memories.
Oh, and then going to the, uh, car show.
Oh, no, B and Atlanta.
Yeah.
That was one of my favorites too.
That was definitely one of my favorites.
Um, we left right before the, uh, the crazy stuff happened.
I remember it was just like, I remember your dad's like, cover your eyes.
It was crazy.
Um, I'm trying to think of some of my, so Chuck E. Cheese sticks out for me.
Um, going to Chuck E. Cheese, like the very first time, I don't know why that sticks out.
And then we went to the mall, like you're, we went to the mall with your dad.
And I remember there was a bumper sticker with the B word on it.
And I just remember your dad like had a track on him.
Um, and yes, this was back in the day.
When people had, uh, should we explain what a track is?
I guess.
Yes.
You should explain cause a lot of people don't know what those are.
Okay.
So pretty much it was a pamphlet or like this piece of paper that explained, um, about Christ
or, you know, it talked about different things.
But in this situation, it was like, we care about you and it just talked about, you know,
Jesus loves you, things like that.
Um, I don't, I don't know if it was back to our church or what it was like most of the
time it had like, you know, church directions or, you know, come to our church or something
like that.
I don't remember that, but I remember him putting that on the car, but I just remember,
I don't know why I remember that, but that was one of the times I remember.
Um, and that was kind of a weird culture shock day for me.
I don't know if I've ever told you because coming from Germany, I just moved from Germany.
And I, that was the first time I had been to, well, that was the second time I'd ever
been to the mall and I had never been to Chuck E. Cheese.
Like that was the first time I'd ever been or even heard of it.
Yeah.
Cause like they didn't have it in, in Germany at all and things like that.
And so I had never been to Chuck E. Cheese.
So or even an arcade for that matter.
Um, well, I guess I had been to an arcade, but it was like kind of a small closet deal,
you know, like a really small thing, not Chuck E. Cheese with the whole, you know, I mean,
they had like, I call it the little hamster climbing tubes, but you know, I'm talking
about like the jungle gyms and stuff like that and then all the games and, uh, it was
definitely different.
Like I, I just different from what I've ever experienced.
So I still have a picture that we took at that time.
It's, I don't have it with me.
My mom has it at her house.
So I'll have to, uh, grab that picture so we can show the viewers.
Yeah.
The little, the little sketch picture.
Uh, this, this question says, can you recall a time when we got in a trouble together?
Yes.
Too many times.
What's a, what's a, is there a tradition, uh, that we have that's like, I don't know,
like meaningful to you.
I don't know if we really have any tradition.
I don't know if you can't really claim this.
I mean, maybe you can.
I don't know if you do this still.
I still take a picture of my Dr. Pepper or Coke can at every freaking flight that I take.
So yeah, I do.
I know you did for a while.
That was kind of a tradition.
No, I don't do that anymore.
Um, lately it's been, lately it's been spending Thanksgiving together.
We've spent pretty much like the last two, three, four Thanksgiving, or three or four
Thanksgiving together.
And, um, really this podcast is almost a Thanksgiving podcast cause this one, it started.
So that's what I always think about too.
That's true.
That's a tradition that we do.
Oh, I have a tradition.
I have a tradition.
I mean, most of the time, whenever we hang out, we have to go find an arcade and play
NFL lids.
That's a, I think that really started in Harlington.
I don't know if we really have any other traditions though, or anyone that we like stick stick
to.
I mean, there are some, I guess I would consider these loose traditions, right?
Like we kind of keep them up, kind of don't, but it's cool when we do.
I don't know.
But hey, you know, I'm down to make more traditions.
I don't, I don't care.
But then again, thinking about us as personalities, we've never been more for their traditions
and other facets.
So maybe that's why we don't have traditions.
I don't know.
There's a couple of traditions I have, but like, I don't really, I don't really have
like for me, and this is going into a small rabbit hole, but for me, like, I feel like
all of my traditions are football based, we think, because, um, there are games every
year that have like rivalry games between different people, whether it's pro or college
that it's like, yeah, I want to make sure I watch that whenever it comes on.
Um, mainly college, like one is Iowa, Iowa state, something about corn fed in the middle
of nowhere, like, you know, people from Iowa, they get serious about that stuff.
And when it's that like in state brawl, I don't know, it's always a good game.
So I guess that's the only really traditions I can think of stuff like that.
All right.
Well, let's see what role do you think resilience plays in your personal growth and overall
happiness?
Do you have a, do you think resilience or, you know, even perseverance, I'll throw perseverance
in there.
Do you think that helps your personal growth because you have to push through things or
not necessarily push through things, but figure some things out and, you know, have
to persist through them.
That's why I'm where I'm adding that in there.
Do you think that that helps in your personal growth and happiness?
Or do you think that the progress you make on, you know, through that process equates
to happiness later on?
Um, I would say, I think for me, it's kind of a two sided coin because I am a very resilient
person.
I mean, I can bounce back from a lot.
Um, but.
And so I'm pretty good about pushing forward and continuing to not give up.
That's kind of one of the values that like I was taught was just not to give up.
But on the flip side of that, I think that sometimes hurts me, um, because I'll stay
in a situation too long just because I want to stick it out and I want to persevere.
Um, hence why I was with my ex-wife for so long.
Um, what I really should have gotten out because for me, if I give up, sometimes I think that
that's a failure.
And so for me, sometimes I can persevere or stay in a situation too long to a fault when
I should have really gotten out before.
Um, but I do think persevering does pay off in the long run, right?
Cause if you stick it out and you wait and you can get weathered to the storm, um, then
I think on the other side, there's always something good.
Um, and so I would say I'm a pretty resilient person.
And I would say you're a pretty resilient person too, man, because I mean, if people
only knew half of the stuff that you went through, but you, you still keep giving your
best every day.
Cause I mean, that's just who you are.
So like you can never not care about people and you can never not give your best.
Now there are times where you're like, if you're done with this situation, you're like,
yeah, I'm done.
I'm 100% out.
But at the same time, that doesn't make you stop.
And something else to that too, and I've had to learn this lesson just because you bow
out of a situation or understand that it's a no win situation and that's not your fault.
That doesn't make you a quitter.
Like there's been so many times that I've been in those situations where it's like, man,
I don't want to quit this situation.
And it's like, why are you going down with the ship for these people who don't give
a crap about you?
Cause most of the situation, now if it's a situation where people do care.
They've done a lot for you, stuff like that.
I mean, it's different.
But what I'm talking about is I've been in so many situations where you're willing to
go down with the ship for these people and you realize now they wouldn't nearly go down
for the ship for you, you know, and it's crazy.
We can go into a whole deep dive with that, but for sure.
You have to have that moment where like, and again, I know not everyone plays Red Dead Redemption
2, but you have to have that moment in Red Dead Redemption 2 when you're Arthur Morgan
and you realize that everything Dutch has been telling you is a lie.
And it's like, he's just been that person the whole time.
And I think you hit the nail on the head when you said just because you bow out of a situation
doesn't make you a quitter.
I think that, I think that was, I can even, I don't know why I want to delve into this,
but going into a personal situation, I had a job at one point that I bowed out of and
man, it was, that was one of the hardest things.
Cause just like you, I was instilled, don't quit.
And to me, I was equated, okay, you know, especially cause when you leave a job, what
is that called that you're quitting, you're quitting the job, job abandonment.
Job abandonment, you know, whatever you want to call it.
The deal is you were, you know, I was sitting in this job and I was getting crapped on all
the time.
And I just come from a job right before that where I was valued, you know, things weren't
perfect, but at least I was valued, you know, I, my name had weight, everything else here
at this place.
I just got crapped on all the stinking time and it just kept continually getting worse
and worse and worse.
But you're looking at this whole picture and being the person that I am, I cared about
my position and basically the position that they put me in, it was impossible to succeed.
And it was such a hard thing to see because I tried and tried and tried and tried and
tried and you just keep trying.
And then finally you realize it is a no in scenario and you're killing yourself.
And I literally was, I mean, Chris will tell you at that time I was having bad health problems
and it was like, I was killing myself and these people were actively screwing me over
at the same time.
But it was one of those things to where it's like you have that belief that in yourself
that you can make it better and that I stepped into this, I put my name on it.
So I'm going to finish the job that I, that I was, you know, assigned to do.
But at the same time, when it's a no in situation and nobody is on your side, you got to think
about yourself.
There's that balance.
You got to think about yourself and you got to remove yourself from that situation.
And that was, that was probably one of the hardest things I ever had to do in my life
was separate myself.
But then I moved on to the job that I have now and again, it's not perfect, but I'm
valued right.
I'm not getting actively crapped on.
I can do my job every day.
So it's, it's, you know, a major difference.
Yep, for sure.
All right.
Now onto a lighter question.
If we were characters in a movie, who would we be and why?
Oh, for sure.
We would be the guys from bad boy, old Martin Lawrence and Will Smith, old.
Mike Lowry and Marcus.
Yep.
You already know.
Are you Mike Lowry or you Marcus?
Bro, you, you always, we always know who it is.
You got, you are.
I got to be Mike Lowry.
I'm Martin Lawrence.
I know.
I'm Martin Lawrence.
It is what it is, man.
I would say we are also, for me, I always think of Doc Holiday and Wyatt Earp from Tombstone.
I'm always like, yeah, that's me and Micah.
Also, wait, so which, which one is Wyatt Earp and who's Doc Holiday?
I don't know.
Which one do you think is Wyatt Earp and which one do you think is Doc Holiday?
I don't know.
Cause I could see myself in both and then I could see you as both.
So I'm like, I don't know.
I don't know.
That's why I was curious of who, who you thought was who.
I, you know what was, uh, you know, who also I, I see ourselves as, um, Will Ferrell and
John C. Riley from stepbrothers when we were 15 years old.
That movie always reminds me of, uh, you and me.
So yep.
I, that's what I would say.
Let's see here.
So next one I got here.
What would you say the most adventurous thing you've ever done is.
So like, if you can say out of, or, you know, do you have a series of events that you say
was the most adventurous or out there thing you've done?
Venturist.
I would probably say, um, when we went bull riding, when we rode the bull, that was pretty
adventurous of me.
Yeah, that's true.
Especially for you at that age.
Yeah.
For me, I was very cautious.
Very, I think getting my tattoos, um, that was kind of a, uh, adventurous thing for me
because a lot of people who knew me in high school when they found out I had two tattoos,
they were like, what?
Like even when, when me and Micah, you know, after we had that, you know, little time where
we weren't friends.
Um, and I told him, I got a tattoo.
He was like, you have a tattoo.
What the heck?
And I was like, yeah, man, got a tattoo.
Well, not just that, but like shortly thereafter, he's like, yeah, I'm thinking about getting
another one.
I think you got one like shortly thereafter.
We, when we started being friends again, I was just like, dang man, I was not expecting
that at all.
I think also to, uh, uh, I think, uh, as I've grown, I've gotten a little bit more adventurous.
I think, uh, recently I've done a few rock wall climbers and I've made it all the way
to the top, uh, both times.
And so that's pretty adventurous for me because I'm scared of heights.
Um, so I would say that, oh, um, there was this, uh, time, uh, we went on a staff retreat
this was like five or six years ago and we were staying in this, it wasn't like a mansion,
but it was this big house.
Like I'm talking about like eight, eight, nine bedrooms and had this big indoor pool
and it was two stories.
And so, um, I climbed up onto the second story and I stood on the banister and like, it was
a pretty far jump like into the pool, but I like stood on the banister and again, I'm
afraid of heights and it was pretty high up.
So I like stood and I got jumped into the pool.
That was pretty, that was pretty adventurous for me.
So yeah, what about you?
I jumped off.
So like most of them are jumping off of things because a, so like, even though I love planes,
I am afraid of heights.
So like you get me above a certain level, man, I'm not doing very good.
Um, we went to this old Boy Scout camp in Mississippi.
Don't, don't ask.
It was a, it was a swimming hole.
It was hot, right?
And you know what the rule is in the South, especially, you know, the Southern States.
If the water looks like sweet tea, there's probably gators in there and this water definitely
looked like sweet tea.
So it was, it was dark and it was murky and there was like this platform deal where you
can climb up and I mean, bro, it was rusty as all get out.
I mean, it was, I mean, it was really old and decrepit, right?
And you get up there and it was 40 feet tall and, uh, 40 feet doesn't sound like much,
but bro, get up to 40 feet on the, especially on a rickety thing that's floating out there,
bro, it was sketchy and we got out to the top and I'm not going to lie to you.
It took me a little bit of convincing to jump off, but there was no way I was going back
down that ladder, that rickety ladder.
So it was like jump into that and, um, where it was at, it was kind of in the middle of
this, uh, where this creek fed into a pond, right?
And it was quite a large pond and where the middle was, that was where this platform was.
And it was about 20 feet down, bro.
All I remember is I went down and it just, it was so murky that it just got dark.
Like the furthest you went down, it just got dark.
And I just, the first thing I did was just swim up to the top, bro.
I was like, uh, uh, I'm out of here.
It was, it was sketchy.
I don't like that stuff.
I like to be able to see what's going on around me.
It's that murky, I don't, I don't like it, but that was pretty adventurous.
Um, I also jumped off of a train bridge, like an old train bridge.
I think it was actually still used.
It's there in, um, San Marcos area and you can jump off of it.
I think it's like 20, 30 feet into the water.
Um, it's just stuff like that.
I'm just jumping off of different places.
Um, there was even one speaking of, you were talking about, uh, rock wall climbing.
There was kind of one like that, but it was, um, they had like shaved a tree.
I don't know if you've ever seen that before where they like shave a tree and then they
put the same things that they put like on rock climb.
So you can climb the tree, um, all the way to the top.
And this was like a big pine tree and they put a platform at the very top.
And the whole point was you climb it and then you can stand on top.
And then you jump off pretty much you had other people there and they were doing the,
what they call the Blair system, you know, the series of ropes where you're like attached
and they're like holding on to you.
But, um, so, so long as I don't let go and you don't let go, you're fine.
But it, it was pretty, pretty interesting.
Cause when you're, you never think about it, right?
Uh, especially cause this was in the middle of a forest in North Carolina and you're
standing at the top of this thing, you know, 50 feet up on this tree, it's kind of waving
back and forth a little bit.
You can definitely feel it moving, but you're looking at all these trees at tree top level.
That's just, it's, it's a weird vantage point.
Like it's weird to be, it's, it's, it's just kind of odd to think and you look at these
trees, they don't look that tall, but it's like, man, all these trees are that tall.
It's pretty nuts.
And I already know what you're going to say.
Maybe some of our listeners have heard this story, but what was your first impression
of me when you met?
Uh, I thought you were nerdy.
I thought you were geeky and I thought you were a little judgmental.
Cause all of that was true.
I can 100% confirm that I was nerdy, geeky, and I was judgmental.
Like, like the poor, the poor guy, like your glasses at the time and like the way that
you were dressed, like, I mean, it was like classic Urkel dress almost.
Like, I mean, he was like dressed up like Steve Urkel over here.
The glasses not quite the same, but at the same time it was like, man, and I would have
been totally cool with it, but I just remember like, and don't get me wrong, the jokes I
were telling them were very, very bad, but, um, he wasn't digging my jokes and that automatic,
you know, kids, it's like, Oh, he don't like my jokes.
Well, he judged mental.
I don't like him neither.
I was just like, this guy, this guy thinks he's trying to be funny.
Like he's, he's trying to be funny, but he's not.
And I was like, he's just, he's just trying to be, be funny, but I guess, you know, became
friends and yeah, yeah, it's pretty well.
All right.
You're ready for your next one.
What is your go to comfort food?
Probably a Chick-fil-A or mac and cheese, to be honest with you.
Uh, firehouse is kind of a comfort food for me.
The thing for me is I don't like, I don't really like my eating.
Is it really emotionally based?
It's more of like, and the sad part, and maybe this is why I'm so skinny, but the sad part
for me, I look at eating as like a chore, to be honest with you.
Um, like, yeah, like I get hungry.
Oh really?
I, I really do get hungry, but I'm just kind of like, Oh, like I have to eat.
Like I have to physically stop myself because if I'm working, I have to tell myself to stop
because I'll just work through lunch and just not even think about it.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's not like a, it's not like, I mean, I like food, but there's some people that
like, they enjoy food.
They just love food and I'm not knocking those people at all.
Please hear me.
But for me, I'm just kind of like, I have to eat, but there are some people that they
are like, man, I love food.
This food makes me happy and I get joy and emotion.
Like for me, I don't get joy or emotion when I, not even when you go to Fogo.
Uh, I do go to, I do enjoy that at Fogo.
I get excited about that because I'm like, Oh, I know this is going to be some good food.
Brazilian steakhouse.
So yes, probably.
I'm not looking forward to the bill afterwards, but I'm looking forward to eating during the
time.
I always like pre-pl... that's one of those places that you have to like pre-budget.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'd be like, Oh yeah, like we, I know it's probably going to cost this much.
So I'm set aside this and a little bit extra just in case.
You know what I mean?
I'm, I normally set aside $250 for that meal by itself, $250.
So, um, but the follow-up question I have to that too is, um, so like for myself, food
is kind of a switch.
If that makes sense.
I have trouble eating because it's sometimes it is a chore.
Yes.
Um, a lot of what it is, is I know that if I eat, I'm not going to want to do anything
afterwards.
Is there any of that that is in effect?
Like, you know, if I eat this for lunch, I know I'm not going to want to do anything
after this.
Um, probably for lunch.
Yes.
Cause I'm like, Oh, it's just that case of like, Oh, I want to take a nap.
I'm definitely not as productive after I eat, but I know for you, you have to be physically
like mentally at rest for you to eat.
Like I know you have to have everything cross off your list because that's like eating is
like a peaceful time for you and that's like a mark of, Hey, my day is done.
I get to relax.
I get to eat.
I don't have to do anything.
Like I don't have to do anything else for the, for the rest of whatever.
And that, I mean, that is truly very detrimental.
That's where I have a lot of problems.
Um, a lot of people are kind of floored when I tell them it's like, when do you eat dinner?
It's like, man, sometimes it's at 6 PM.
Sometimes it's at 9, 10, 11 PM and that's not good for you.
But at the same time, it all depends on when my day is done.
And when I cook the dinner and eat it, you know, I mean, it's like, it just kind of depends.
And, um, but that's where it's detrimental is it's like, even when I cook something,
right?
I'm going to want to do the dishes before I eat or I'm going to want to at least set
it up to where it's taken care of, to where I'm not having to worry about that stuff.
And, you know, most of what I take my time with is preparing for things for the future,
which does help future me, but at the same time, it could be detrimental to me in the
moment, which is kind of interesting how that works.
Cool.
Bill, I have a couple, I have a couple more.
Uh, let's see.
Uh, I'll ask, all right, I'll ask a more serious one.
How do you think our friendship has changed over the years?
It's, I mean, just like us, we've become more mature.
The relationships become more mature.
Um, man, I think we talk now more than we ever have.
Like, I mean, it's at least once a day for sure at this point.
And so in, I mean, there was even periods of our friendship, even a year, two years
ago, um, where it was like, I wouldn't say that it wasn't that close, but it was like,
we were so busy that we couldn't, we didn't maybe going back to what we were talking about
with the balance, right?
Like, I remember I didn't make time at one point and, and I was guilty of that.
It's not a big deal cause I fixed it, but it's one of those things to where even a few
years ago I didn't feel like I'm going to even go really deep.
So Chris is my support network, right?
He's been there through thick and thin through so much crap with me, right?
There was even points where I was going through things, trust issues, things like that, where
I wasn't even talking to my wife, who was my fiance or my wife at the time.
There was even times where I would even just shut down and wasn't talking to Chris.
And it was even like on a personal level, like, yeah, we would talk about the podcast,
we would talk about things, but then there would be times where, you know, there would
be periods and he, you know, and that wasn't cool.
But at the same time, it's interesting how between that time and now we've not only
figured out how to do that, but how to find the balance to where, you know, I can use
you to support network on the daily basis because, you know, that's also what friends
are for, like really good friends, right?
You want to have their help on daily basis, whether that's advice or just, I mean, this
dude, he texts me sometimes or he'll leave me voice notes or something and it'll make
me laugh and it'll be like the only thing that made me laugh that day, right?
And those, it might be small, but it really helps.
Like it really helps out.
And so I think evolving, at least for myself, is understanding, utilizing you is not a burden
to you.
In fact, it's even better.
But there was a time that I felt that even in the recent past of like, oh, I don't want
to talk to him so much about this stuff because I was going through so much, it's a burden.
And realizing like, no, it's not, it's not a burden.
He likes talking to you.
He's your friend because he wants to be your friend and he's, and it's always been that
way.
And so I know that was kind of a long explanation, but for me, that's at least in the past few
years, how far it's come.
Yeah, for sure.
And kind of adding on to like what you said, I think, again, you know, I claim Micah as
my brother and everything.
And so like we have that brotherhood and brothers are supposed to be with you in adversity,
because they're also supposed to be there to make memories and laugh.
And so I think being younger and again, when you're like 15, right, you're not going to
talk about all your problems or all the world's problems.
But I think, and I can be, admit that I was guilty of that like at 15 in our teenage years,
I would be more like, instead of actually helping you with your problem, I would be more enabling
or kind of leading you in a path of making a like an immature decision just because I
would be like, yeah, dude, like that guy made you mad.
Well, you should go take a dump on his car.
And it's like, no, like, no, no, it's like a, hey, dude, like process with me.
Like, let's talk about this.
Let's figure this out together.
Like, okay, you're going through this.
And I think learning how to make it not so me centered, because I think, again, if, and
that's just comes with maturity, right?
Like you, you are like, oh, well, Micah did this that I didn't like.
And so that made me really mad.
And so I'm annoyed at him and not, I guess maybe more communicating, I guess, because
before I would just be passive aggressive about it and stuff.
And so I feel like that's kind of where our friendship has like become more vocal, right?
Like, you know, I can now say to, I can, I know that if I have a conversation with Micah,
I can tell him the truth.
And you know, I'm never going to do it like in a mean way, but like, I know that I can
tell him the truth.
Whereas before I would be so worried.
Well, if I tell him the truth, maybe he's not going to be my friend anymore.
Does that make sense?
No.
And at this point, you know, there's nothing that I'm worried about you asking me or me
asking you that's going to make this friendship go like, yeah, it might hurt or something
might happen, but it'll be fine.
I mean, we'll talk about it.
It'll be all right.
I did have a follow up question to that.
I'm going to match the question with the question.
How much, because we did talk about when we weren't friends for a little bit.
And a lot of that was over the person that you were dating slash then got married to,
how much of it do you think was the communication breakdown because we were talking about how
it was living in the room, things like that.
Do you think that because a lot of the communication did break down at the time.
Do you think that a lot of that contributed to us going apart for a little bit?
Yes.
I, and I'll take ownership definitely of my part because there were things that I just
assume was like, oh, well, I just assumed that Michael was selling all my business.
And instead of going to him personally and being like, Hey dude, like this came back
to me.
Were you going around spreading all my business?
I just assumed he was doing it because that's what other people had told me.
And I didn't go and investigate it for myself.
And at that time I was pretty gullible.
And so anything that people told me, I would just believe it.
And then again, we talked about how Fat Cat would kind of pit us against each other.
And I was like, well, if he's saying this about me.
And I'm just going to get back to him by saying this.
And so I never really like would talk to you about it face to face.
I would just kind of avoid.
And I also think number one, the person I was dating with, she planted those seeds, but
also to like, we were both so busy with our own lives that like, I think it was like,
Hey man, like we don't even hang out anymore.
And I, I remember like, and I never talked to you about it, but I was upset because
we were supposed to like hang out.
It was right around Christmas time.
Do you remember this?
We were supposed to hang out and do something.
And then you were like, yeah, let's go hang out.
And then like you, you had like messaged me and this was like one of the only times that
we were going to be able to hang out or, and we hadn't really hung out in months.
And then you messaged me.
It was like, yeah, I had to go buy Christmas presents for my girlfriend and all of her
family.
So I can't hang out with you.
And I was just like, bro.
Like we were supposed to hang out.
And so instead of talking to you about it, then I just got mad and I just internalized
and I didn't face the conversation.
And so I do think to answer your question, yes, I do think there was a lot of like breakdown
of communication and I can admit owning, not talking to you about it like directly.
Well, and I, you know, I was guilty of that too.
I was listening to it, a lot of other people were saying too.
And I don't know.
There was, you know, we could go into that a different episode because I think that's
a whole other, we've talked about it before, but I think there's a whole other bit to
it there.
But I don't know.
There was, there was quite a bit.
And then it was, it was really hard because the reason you thought that I was talking
to other people and why that was believable is because that's also something that I would
have done at the time.
I wasn't exactly discreet about things in our friendship sometimes like I should have
been.
And so there was, there was some things that weren't good there.
And so all in all, you know, I'm glad that we matured and I'm glad that, you know, the
friendship is definitely matured over time.
And I think now we're just really stepping into that, you know, I don't know, we're about
to be in our thirties, right?
And, you know, it's, it's interesting how it's become like two teenagers hanging out
and kind of being stupid to now we're talking about insurance and deductibles and family
and, you know,
Yeah, I'm about to have a family.
Buying houses and all this other stuff, right?
I mean, it's, it's just wild how much that's changed.
You can ask, you can ask as many as you want.
I only got two more questions for you.
If you're comfortable sharing and if not, that's totally okay.
What's a fear or insecurity you have that you'd like to share?
I have a fear of rejection.
Like I've always had that.
That's one of the things that I've struggled with quite a bit.
And I'm coming to realize now that, you know, because delving into childhood and delving
into my parents' wear and things like that, it's because failure wasn't an option.
And the hard part is it was all based on other people's expectations.
And so the thing that I really struggle with is having those people, I still struggle with
this.
It doesn't matter who it is.
It could be a boss.
It could be a whatever.
If just regular people who I feel are older than me or maybe you're an authority figure,
even if it's not directly, and they say, Hey, you should do this with your life.
I feel obligated to go in that direction.
And that's like the natural way that I want to do it, and it's like, Oh yeah, I should.
You're right.
You're I should.
And it's, I always have to fight that natural instinct of what I've been in grain to do
and be like, no, no, let's take it from the lens of what is best for Micah and family
here.
And it takes a lot, but that's it's taken a long time to get there, but that's definitely
something there.
For sure, 100% I identify with that too, because again, the rejection is like a big thing.
Just the things from my past and like, again, like I'm not as insensitive or missing on
social cues as Michael Scott, but I do can relate to him because when he's like, I, he's
like, I just want people to like me.
He's like, you're in the, you're the boss and you have to make these hard decisions,
but you want people to be your friend, right?
Like you want people to like you and that's hard for me.
And I've learned that I'm like, man, not everyone's going to like you.
And so I've had to like not take that personally, but on a silly level, I am afraid of ledges.
Like I can do heights, but if I look over a ledge, I can't do that.
And then like being burned.
I don't like that.
And then maybe it's again, we talked about how I possibly might be on the spectrum,
but like loud noises, like loud, I do not like loud noises.
Oh, loud noises.
Yeah.
I feel the same way on that front, especially like the biggest thing that just drives me
nuts is balloons freak me out.
Like I don't have global phobia, which is, I don't know why that's the phobia for balloons
and why I know that.
I don't know.
But I don't have global phobia.
Like I could hold a balloon.
I could play a balloon, whatever.
It's the popping of balloons or the random popping or anything.
I hate that crap.
Even thunderstorms.
I used to think like, oh, I was afraid of thunderstorms.
Not really what scares me the most about them.
It's not the lightning flash or anything.
It's the thunder and not knowing when it's coming.
Like something about that freaks me out.
I don't know.
So I totally get you on that.
Yeah.
And I can do outdoor gun ranges, but I hate indoor gun ranges because you have the loud
sound and then you have like the impact, right?
Like you feel the, and it's hard for me to concentrate.
So I'd rather go to an outdoor gun.
This is a nitty gritty question.
Is it also the variations of sounds?
Because that bothers me to where it's not all one uniform sound of gun, if that makes
sense.
Um, yeah, I think so.
Something else that weirdly bothers me since we're on the subject.
I don't understand this one at all, but so it, you've seen planes and everybody knows
they have nice, blinky lights on them, correct?
So there are all the different ones or different lights and they all have names.
Pretty much the main ones, the main flashy white ones are strobe lights, just like you
would think, like strobes.
And then there's a red light underneath called the beacon, which says like, okay, the engine's
on and whatnot.
My biggest pet peeve at night, especially if you're looking at planes, there's a way
that that bottom red beacon light, it'll flash twice, boom, boom.
And then the, on the wings, the strobes will go, right?
There's a way that it's all synchronous to where it all, you know, blinks in a good,
you know, synchronous way.
I hate it when it's all off rhythm, if that makes sense.
Like blink, blink, blink, blink, blink, and it's all off rhythm.
I can't stand that.
That drives me nuts.
I have no clue why.
You and the five other people in this world.
Yes, sir.
I know, man.
Hey, it's the three other people.
I don't think it's even five.
Okay.
You got another question.
I only have one more, but do you have any other questions?
Yeah.
This one's a little interesting.
Have you ever had a funny or embarrassing tech mishap, like with a piece of technology?
Well, a couple of ones.
One, what happens?
Of course, you have that text messaging thing, right?
Like you accidentally sent a text to someone that's not supposed to.
Like I sent one to, it was my store manager at the time, and his name was next to somebody
else's name in my phone and the chat thread.
And I said, I could cuddle with you all night.
And I accidentally sent it to him.
Oh my gosh, dude.
He laughed so hard.
And for the longest time, for the longest time, he would always tease me about that.
He was like, yeah, I'll cuddle with Christopher.
This happened yesterday.
I sent a meme and I sent it.
You know how you can send it to different people on Instagram?
You can send it to different people and send separately.
So I hit the person I was going to send it to.
And then my finger slipped and it hit another person.
I didn't know who it was.
And so I looked to see it was the church's Instagram account, bro.
So I had to delete it real quick.
I had to delete it real quick because I was like, oh no, the church Instagram is going
to get this beam.
And it's not necessary.
It's not inappropriate.
But I was like, it's not great.
So I was like, oh, out of all the ones I could say it was the church's Instagram.
Oh, dude, I was.
But it's not exactly what you want them to see.
So mine, I was working.
I was working at the hospital, right?
And they had this new hire orientation once a month and I worked on the security team,
like the IT security team over there.
And so by law, you have to do a little IT security presentation.
Well, since I was the new guy, of course, nobody else wanted to do it.
And so they were like, yeah, you go ahead and do it.
And at the time, you got to think, I was 25 years old.
This was my first big professional job, everything like that.
And I'd been working there for a little bit.
And I'm fairly comfortable speaking in front of people.
Don't get me wrong.
It was in this conference room thing.
And it's the typical thing, you walk in the door and it's down the aisle into the front
right there.
And so I was having a problem with my lapel mic.
Like it was one of the lapel mics on your shirt.
I was futzing with it.
And I don't remember why, but I was messing with it, messing with it.
And I said, oh, s, like the s word.
Like I said, oh, s.
And the mic was on and everybody heard me.
It was so bad for me.
Did they just kind of ignore it?
Kind of.
Some people said that too.
Some people said stuff to me.
They were like, did you realize your mic was on?
That's all they said.
But it was very obvious.
I heard it in there and I knew everybody else heard it too.
It made the rest of it very awkward.
It was very awkward after that.
This is my last question to ask you.
What are some of your biggest dreams or goals that you haven't shared with many people?
Or you haven't really shared them with the podcast listeners.
So what's like some of your biggest dreams or goals?
I would say my biggest dreams goals, get the rest of my pods licenses.
And of course, I think that's more of an obvious one.
You want to make a lot of money so that I can do a lot of things.
But my goals when I have a lot of money include, I really want to go into space.
Like I really want to take one of those space rides.
Another stupid expensive.
But if I had the money, I would definitely spend it.
I think that would be really cool to see the earth from that vantage point.
That's one of my goals for my lifetime.
Like I want to see, I want to go into space.
I want to come back, you know, make it a short trip.
It's not like one of those things like, oh yeah, orbit for four days on the international.
I don't want none of that.
I just want, you know, just a brief experience to where I could take some pictures, see what
it's like on the outside, that sort of thing.
Nice.
And of course, I have, you know, how about you see a typical, like, you know, have kids,
have the family, all that good stuff.
A goal of mine and I don't know if I'm still going to get to make this one happen in 2024,
but it's to meet Sting.
There was an opportunity that's going to happen in October, but that may fall through to meet
him.
I think to get to again, go backstage at a WWE event.
That would be really cool.
My dream, be a WWE chaplain.
Like I don't know if that's even a thing, but like, if I could just be like help with
pastoral care, like pray for them before they go wrestle, like that would be really cool.
See, I could just see that.
I could just see that like you having that, but then then playing that into the storyline,
like somebody messes with the past, like one of the bad characters messes with the pastor.
It's like, you don't mess with Pastor Chris.
I don't know.
I can see that.
I think also too, I want to, of course, I want to go to Israel.
I want to travel maybe, I don't know, maybe to Europe, maybe.
I definitely want to go skydiving.
We've talked about that.
I want to ride the biggest roller coaster in the world, which is in New Jersey.
I don't know.
I have some goals and dreams again, like with career wise, like being a pastor, like, I
don't know, dude, like just sharing Jesus with as many people as I can, like before
I die.
I mean, that's really it.
Like as a pastor, I feel like, yeah, like you have those goals, but like, I don't know.
That's a whole nother sub thing that we can get into.
Yeah.
Well, it's hard to make some of those goals tangible, right?
Because that's a very broad statement.
It's like, save as many people as you can, and there's a million ways you can try to
do that.
So I definitely understand.
But yeah, man, that's been a great episode.
I'm telling you, you can keep on going and going and going.
I liked a lot of the questions that we came up with.
Yeah.
Do you have any final question or are you like, nah, let's send it right here?
Not any off the top of my head.
Oh, let me ask you this.
So I kind of know the answer.
You used to like Texas Tech football.
Are you saying that you're not necessarily a fan anymore?
I mean, I'm not really a fan of like football and CAA or like professional.
Yeah.
I can watch a few games, but I'm definitely not as into it as I used to be.
And maybe that's just because I work on Sundays and so I don't have time to keep up with it.
Maybe the Texas Tech fans have just made me jaded.
I don't know, man.
I guess I'm not really that big of a football fan.
So I don't hate it.
I mean, I understand what's going on and I'll watch a game.
But for me, I'm just kind of like, eh, like I don't have a team that I'm like, oh, yeah,
I'll root for.
I feel like back in the day, it was easier for me to get behind a team.
But now not really.
Yeah, I totally get you.
Now one one other follow up question about that.
And I know we're delving off into football.
Is there ever a football game that you like remember sitting down and watching?
Like, yeah, I remember that one totally.
Yes.
The Super Bowl at your house that we've talked about with David Tyree.
David Tyree, the Giants.
There were of course, I kind of watching Falcons games on Sundays with my dad.
That was kind of like a memory and tradition.
I don't know if there's not like one specific one that I remember really watching.
Oh, I remember the I used to be a Florida Gators fan.
So I remember the Georgia, Florida, Tim Tebow era.
But other than that, man, like I don't really remember too many.
Yeah, I get you.
I get you.
I would say probably the one that I remember the most.
I don't.
Of course, there's always the Texas Tech against UT one and 08 or Michael Crabtree made the
catch.
I watched that one live.
So definitely remember that one.
But the game after that was also really good.
It was Oklahoma State.
They played Oklahoma State and they were like number nine or something and they played them
again in Lubbock at night.
And it was a, you know, it was a really good game.
I think it was just nice because they were actually good and they had, we had hope that,
you know, because they had moved up to number two and it's like, oh, if they stay, then
they may get to the national championship, but they end up losing.
So it don't matter.
I hope you guys enjoyed.
You guys listening to us.
Thank you so much for joining us on this ride.
We've enjoyed getting to interview each other and I hope you all got to know us a little
bit more.
And so yeah, tell them where they can go for all the stuff.
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Come and follow us.
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We got stuff that's aviation related.
We got stuff that's not aviation related.
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So come check it out.
I'm telling you, it's, it's pretty wild.
What's going on in our world today, especially aviation wise.
So we hope you guys have an amazing week and we will see you guys next time.
I'm Chris and I like it.
I'm Chris from the DC's, the Dona Barks podcast.