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So what is one movie or TV show that has got you through a tough time in your life?

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This is gonna sound interesting, but the Sopranos.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, I know.

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It's a mobster show, whatnot.

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But like, I don't know.

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Something about it was just like, it got me through a few breakups like a lot.

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I don't know.

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It's just, it reminds you like, you don't, you don't need them.

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You can do it on your own.

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I don't know.

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Something about it.

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What about you?

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Was it that like, just mobster, like this is really the person that I want to be and

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like, you know what, they don't care about the world or anybody else.

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And so that's how I'm feeling right now.

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Nah, not really.

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It was more, I don't know.

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I don't know how to describe it.

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It was more like, there's aspects of it, but not like the Guido, like mobster feel to it.

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I don't know how to exactly describe it.

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I think it's more, you know, I'm gonna think of this 2am.

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What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna wake up at 2am and be like, oh yeah, that's the perfect

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explanation for this.

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But you know, it's, it's aspects of it, but it's not, you know, it's not the mobster Guido

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part of it.

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Cool.

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I think mine is the office.

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I had seen a couple of episodes of the office and I know you always love the office growing

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up and you would always be like, watch the office, watch the office.

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And I was like, eh, I don't know.

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But then when I went through my divorce, I was sleeping on my buddy Travis's couch with

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shout out Travis, thank you for letting me sleep on your couch during that time.

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And he was like, let's watch the office.

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Like maybe it'll cheer you up.

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And I remember the first episode was the, was the inappropriate one about corporate

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having to come in about sexual harassment.

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I was like, this isn't that funny.

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And then I continued watching the other episodes and it like, it helped distract me from like

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what was going on.

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So I would say the office got me through a tough time.

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You know, maybe that's, that's a good way to describe it.

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I think the soprano is kind of distracted, you know, because there's a full storyline

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of like a business and things like that.

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And it's a good distraction because you can wrap yourself in the storyline and you know,

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it's like, oh yeah, he's about to get whacked and stuff like that.

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I don't know.

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I think that's a very good description.

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It's distracting, but it's also a tough guy attitude on top of it.

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Well, I'm Chris and I'm Micah.

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And this is the Donut Box podcast.

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Well, welcome back to another week.

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Man, you have been playing NCAA a lot.

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This is, it just came out like recently.

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So how has that been for you?

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You keep saying I play it a lot.

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It's only been, I think I've only played like five games total.

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Okay.

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So far, like, let me rephrase it.

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Not that you've been playing a lot.

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Like you are excited for this game.

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Maybe I should.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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I've seen a lot of it.

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I was hyped for it.

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Yeah.

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So unfortunately, now you would have been right if I had time.

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Like, right now, my time is really, really crunched.

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But like, if I had the opportunity to, I'd be playing the mess out of it.

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It's very fun.

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Like, you know, sometimes EA games is really bad, especially like Madden and stuff like

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that, especially the last, what, like 10 years for the most part.

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But man, they really did well.

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There's some areas of improvement, but I mean, this is the first game out in 11 years for

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it.

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And so it's really, really good.

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I even bought a new console for it, man, which is unlike me.

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Yeah.

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So for our international listeners, American football, the call at the college level, EA

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sports hasn't made a game for that in about 11 years.

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And so now that they have made it, a lot of people are excited about it because you can

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now play as your favorite universities.

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And so a lot of people are excited for it.

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I guess I should say I've never seen you like this excited for something in a long time.

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And so it's like, cool to be like, bro, like you're excited, dude.

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So I'm happy for you.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Thanks, man.

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Yeah.

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Because incidentally 14, the one from 11 years ago, like I still played that.

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I have a old console that I've been kind of, you know, limping along, so to say, to get

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it to work and whatnot.

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And so it was nice when this came out, be able to get the new system.

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Something else I was able to get to was, you know, I had Red Dead Redemption 2, but then

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I had, I installed the first Red Dead 2, or not like the second one, but the original Red

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Dead Redemption as well.

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So like, I'm going to start playing through that.

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So it's cool, man.

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I'm excited.

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And I've already started a team, man.

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So but anyways, we're going to get into it.

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And we got some questions to ask.

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And these aren't these AI generated ones, you know, as friends, we're going to ask each

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other interview style questions and we're going to see different things.

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Most of the stuff we know about each other.

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And that's why we're able to develop these questions and really, you know, see what they

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say.

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But you know, who knows, maybe I'll learn something about my bud.

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Maybe I'll learn something about me.

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Maybe we'll come up with some really good questions that'll blow each other out of the

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water.

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I'm not sure.

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But man, how long have we been friends now?

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I'm trying to think it's been since 2003, right?

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Yeah, so it's 21 about to be 22 years, dude.

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Like when I think about that, that blows my mind that we've known each other for 22 years.

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And you know, definitely, I mean, I'm going to use a little bit of, you know, we're definitely

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lucky, blessed, whatever you want to call it, that had a friendship for that long just

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because it's, you know, most people don't, man.

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I mean, how many people, there's very few people out there.

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I'll say that has a friend that's long term and you know, is going to be with you for

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life.

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So, you know, blessed in that facet, but we know each other pretty darn well.

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And man, you want to crack out the question, the first question.

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Mike is my brother from another mother.

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So I'll kind of start off with a softball one, kind of going into your background.

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Tell me about being an only child and how that like affected you growing up.

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Like I know obviously you probably always wanted a brother or sister, but kind of tell

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me about how being an only child affected, how you saw things or the way you were raised.

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Well, you know, I think that it was, you just kind of had to go with what was around you.

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It was also a little different for me because I was military child.

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I didn't move around as much as some of the other military children that I knew, but moved

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around a little bit.

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And you know, that definitely helped me adjust on the fly and give, give me a little bit

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more ability to be able to adjust to things rapidly as far as social situations and things

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like that.

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But I guess the biggest thing, man, is you don't have any siblings.

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You can't blame anything else on the siblings or, you know, all eyes are on you.

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You're the only report card coming home.

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You know, I'm sure there were times, you know, you have siblings.

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I'm sure there were times when you were at home that there were maybe things that you

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did, but you know, your sibling did something else and that was the main distraction point.

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And it's like, well, thank God they're taking the heat, right?

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I don't know if that happened, but like, at least on my end, there is none of that.

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There is no buffer.

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And not like I could blame the dog even though I tried.

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Let me, let me ask you kind of a couple of follow up questions now.

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Like with people that have siblings, they're used to fighting and everything like that.

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And so sometimes maybe with only kids, it's hard to like either live with another person

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or get along with like a spouse or a partner.

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Did you find being an only child affected your ability to do that or not really?

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It's hard because, you know, my father was a narcissist and my mother just followed along

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with them.

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So it just depended on what the flavor of the month was and what was going on, which

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was the appropriate thing to follow.

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And so for me, it was like either stay in line or you got a fight.

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And so a lot of times the fights just weren't worked it.

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You had to pick your battles and a lot of things.

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And I think, yeah, that did carry over a lot into the roommates that I had when I, you

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know, started living out on my own.

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And then of course my wife, I think it carries over because there was a lot of times where

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even I guess up until here recently, I would stay, you know, I haven't had roommates for

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a while, you know, besides my wife and not, she's not really a roommate, you know, you

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can go anywhere that she can go in there, you know, with roommates, you don't really

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want to go in the room and it's kind of awkward.

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Anyways, what I'm saying is apartment wise, I still sometimes forget like, yes, you can

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go into the living room, like you can go hang out in the living room, you know, your TV's

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out there, you know, it's totally okay to be in a common space.

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Nobody else is out there, right?

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There's been apartment spaces where I mean, the living room's totally set up, but I would

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just never go out there at all.

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And part of it is my bedroom was upstairs for a lot of my childhood.

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And so it's just like, and everybody else was downstairs.

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So you go upstairs, you shut yourself in, and it's kind of your little place of sanity,

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I guess, you know, amongst all this stuff.

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So I guess that's where it affects me the most is just kind of still having some of

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those behaviors of if other people around that you don't want to necessarily interact

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with.

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Yeah, I totally get.

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All right.

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One last follow up question, because the closest that Micah really had to be having a brother,

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I guess, was me, but I didn't like live with him, you know, I'd go on trips and everything

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except for whenever we moved out of Texas.

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And then I, I, we had to share a room.

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So and we were 18, yeah, 18 years old, 17, 18 years old.

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Now being an only child, how much did that affect you having to share a room with someone

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else for that extended period of time?

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Because it was what, six, eight months, something like that.

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Yeah, it was six to eight months.

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It wasn't bad.

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There was definitely stuff that I, so I guess it's all about where your mind sits at, right?

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So my mindset at the time was, okay, I'm going to go to college.

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I'm going to live in the dorm room.

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You're going to share a room with somebody, right?

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So it's like, you might as well get used to this.

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So I think with that mindset already, and I mean, you're, you're not too bad.

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I mean, we both had a very good understanding of, okay, this is your side.

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This is my side.

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This is all of my stuff.

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You know, I guess we were pretty respectful of our sides and our stuff, right?

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So it wasn't, it wasn't too bad.

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The parts that were bad was, if I remember correctly, the AC in that room didn't work

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very well.

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So we'd get like really hot and stuffy in there.

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I remember that.

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And then, you know, if there's two guys in there, you let a few go as far as like breaking

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wind, farting, whatever you want to call it, bro.

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It starts, it starts stinking in there and it's a little hot and they wouldn't let us

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open the windows because they had these little alarms on the windows and stuff.

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It's like, they wouldn't let us open the windows.

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And so I don't know, bro.

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It was, it had its moments, but I did like just being able to like, I mean, when it was

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chill, we got to chill in there and play video games until they took the Xbox out.

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Yeah, that kind of sucked.

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I think the only thing that was like, that caused the tension, I think, maybe you, again,

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when you have people having to share a room for six to eight months, which was kind of

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unnecessary because they had another room, but they wanted to use it for the guest bedroom

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but anyways, that's besides the point.

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So nobody was in there.

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Yeah, nobody was in there.

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Ever.

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But I think it was maybe just a like a schedule thing because I know you at that time, you

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were a little bit more of a night owl and wanting to like stay up and then like all

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that.

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So that never really bothered me, but I think sometimes, you know, being in those quarters,

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you just get on each other's nerves and you're just kind of, and you don't have nowhere to

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That's your room.

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So, when you're upset, like, you can't really do much, you know what I mean?

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And, you know, it was interesting too because at that time, yeah, I was a night owl to where,

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you know, 11, 12, one o'clock in the morning was time to come in.

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And I know there was a little bit of tension there because at one point you were working

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at the King and I or whatever you want to call it.

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And so you're working over there and it was a breakfast place.

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So you had to be there at what five or you had to get up at five.

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I don't remember.

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It was like really early.

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And so I know there was some tension.

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And also to the woman, the girl I was dating at the time, she did not like Micah and she

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was always in my ear about how awful Micah was.

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And so, so that caught that was just like tension because it's like I wanted to hang out with

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my buddy, but I also didn't want to make my girlfriend mad at the time too.

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So there was there was a lot of tension.

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But anyway, sorry, that was kind of a rabbit hole, but I just wanted to ask like how being

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the only child affected you, affected like you being able to like, you know, with your

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wife now sharing a space and all that stuff.

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So I was just curious.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's it's interesting how a lot of that stuff works.

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A lot of people, I guess the common misconception that a lot of people have about only child

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and I'll get off of that.

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A lot of people I've always heard, oh, you're an only child.

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You're so lucky.

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I think that's a bad assumption.

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I think I think everything in life is pretty even, right?

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It's yeah, there are some things that again, siblings can be horrible.

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Okay.

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I've seen a lot of bad sibling situations and I do sit here as an only child going,

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you know, thank God, I don't have any brothers or sisters that I have to deal with this kind

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of stuff.

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But at the same time, it's, you know, you're having to deal with a lot more things.

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It's, it's hard to explain, especially, I mean, think about this, even if, you know,

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I had parents that I spoke to and had a good relationship with, there's still that pressure

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of getting a good job, having a career, maybe going to college, whatever the goals are,

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right?

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There's still all that pressure.

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Think about this.

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You don't have a brother or sister that has that pressure too.

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It's all on you.

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And if you have really overbearing parents that are like, oh yeah, you're going to be

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a doctor or a lawyer.

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Ooh, it could be very tough.

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It can be really tough.

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And it's, you know, I think the best example is Connie Super Moussa Vong from King of the

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Hill.

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You know how all con be pushing her like that?

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It's, it's, you know, I mean, there's a lot of only children that are like that.

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And it's like the spotlight's on you because you're the only one.

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So it's, I guess, you know, it's a give and take.

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There are some things you don't have to deal with, but then there are some other things

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like those pressure filled things you have to deal with.

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So it's definitely different balancing work and personal life is really, really challenging.

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Right?

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How do you manage to find this balance?

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Or have you found that you've been able to find this balance?

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I think I've, I've had to struggle to find that.

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But honestly, I think again, like my face is a part of the way I live.

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And so, you know, part of, you know, being a Christian is, is like resting on the Sabbath.

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And that's not just like a religious principle.

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That's just like a good life principle of taking one day to recharge because I found that I

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can do more after resting for a day.

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Then it's like when you have your phone battery on like 20%, right?

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Like you're like, okay, like worrying that you're, you're, or your battery in a drill

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is on like 20%.

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Right?

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And then it's kind of there, but it's kind of working and it's overworking.

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But when you take some time to recharge it, then it comes back and it does the job quicker

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than ever.

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So I think doing that, I think also realizing, hey, like my work is going to be there tomorrow.

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And so if it's not life or death, it's okay.

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And then I think again, being married has really kind of helped me with that because

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I'm like, okay, the more time I'm at work, the less time I have to spend with my wife.

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And so it's important for me to make sure that we have our time together and like, yes,

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like we have people that we have to hang out with and we have things that we have to do.

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But I think wanting to make sure we have all the time together and just to rest, because

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I know that when I get to a point of being stressed, like I am not a fun person to be

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around.

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And I've, I've realized that.

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And so I think finding that work life balance has been a struggle, but I wouldn't say I've

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mastered it, but I'm definitely more aware of it than I used to be.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Follow-up question to that.

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Is there, was there ever a point where you said, okay, I really need to start prioritizing

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myself over work because I know for a long time, especially how we were raised, you

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really put that job first.

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I mean, whatever you're doing, that's for the most part, that's what you do.

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So was, where was that pivotal moment, if you remember, of, you know what, man, maybe

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I'm not all about the company like that.

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You know, I need to really take care of myself first and, you know, take care of the personal

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relationships, take care of my job, but also take my time too.

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Think as far as like from a rest aspect of like, hey, I need to take some time to rest.

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I think it was probably around 2016.

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I don't know, I just realized, hey, like it's important for me to rest.

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I don't know what flipped and I just started having that mentality.

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And then, you know, when my dad came to visit me for the last time, I really made sure,

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like dad, like let's take some time for us to rest and like, you know, you're on here

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on vacation, like relax because he would like want to, you know, do work and so I was like,

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no, like you're on vacation, like let's relax.

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As far as like taking time for me personally and like doing things that help refill my

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tank, it was probably honestly after my divorce because before then, if I was off, I would

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be doing things for my, well, she's my ex-wife now, but she was my girlfriend at the time

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and I would always be spending all my time with her because she was very controlling

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and I could only really do activities that she approved of.

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And so I think after my divorce, I started going on this journey of like discovering

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what do I really enjoy doing?

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Do I enjoy video games?

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Do I enjoy the arcade?

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What do I really enjoy doing?

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What fills my tank?

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And so I think after then, then I realized, okay, I need to do things that refill my tank

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because part of the Sabbath is yes, you're worshiping God, but you're also enjoying his

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creation.

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And so if enjoying his creation is going to the arcade and enjoying that, cool.

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Enjoying his creation is doing yard work and that brings you joy and fulfillment.

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Like, wow, I mean, do it.

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Now, that's not my idea of a filling my tank, but yeah.

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So I guess that answering your question.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, for sure.

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For sure.

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All right.

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I'm going to ask this question again.

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Most of my questions I'm going to ask is kind of maybe around our friendship or just

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kind of your background.

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If we could switch lives for a day, what would you do as we?

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Oh, man.

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So do you want my real answer?

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You want my joke answer?

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You do want both?

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I want both.

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All right.

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So I'm going to come into your apartment.

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I'm going to sell every bit of those wrestling figures you have so I can get the cash, right?

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No, I'm joking.

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Everyone?

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Listen, we got to, I'm not a wrestling fan.

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So if I'm you, we got to clear it out, baby.

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We got to get the money.

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No, I'm joking.

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I guess so.

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I'm joking.

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That's that's my joke answer.

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But for real, I am curious what the day in life must be like.

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Now can we cut out the frustrating parts like you not having volunteer show up and stuff?

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You can cut that out.

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But it's like, if I could, yeah, if I could see day to day stuff, understand how your

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brain works a little more because there's some things, listen, we're really, really

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close on.

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There's some things that you do that I'm like, man, I don't understand, but I'm sure

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that you're the same way with me.

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So all right.

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I think if I were you, don't take this the wrong way.

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Yeah, I was going to ask that.

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I'm going to take a day off.

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I'm going to, I'm going to have a full day off.

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Nobody's going to bother me about nothing.

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I'm going to go to a hotel and watch TV.

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I just watch TV.

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That is my gift to you.

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Here we go.

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If I'm, if I'm here, I appreciate that.

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If I'm, ain't nobody going to call me.

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Well, I guess if I'm you and I'm married to your wife, then, you know, your wife can

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call.

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That's a weird paradox, whatever.

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That'll be the only person that's allowed to call you if I'm you.

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There you go.

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There you go.

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Yeah.

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And for, for the listeners, for some weird reason, going to a hotel and just like, you

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could be watching the same old TV show you've seen a million times, but it's just great.

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Just laying in bed and watching TV at the hotel.

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I don't know what it is.

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So that does sound like a good plan.

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Are you telling me I'm overworked or I'm working too hard?

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What are you saying?

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Uh, yes, that's what I'm telling you.

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All right.

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Well, all right.

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So my next question for you, sir, what was one of your favorite memories from our childhood

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or early friendship?

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So reaching back, is there one that you're like, yeah, I remember that.

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And that was probably one of my favorites from back then.

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I would probably, uh, I would, how early, like early on in our friendship, like how

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early give me like a window, I guess pre Tony's cell group.

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Okay.

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So before 2006, um, I would probably have to say, maybe not like one specific memory,

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but just going over to your house after church on Sundays, because we would always coordinate.

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Like we would never ask our parents ahead of time.

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It was always the day of be like, Hey, can I go over to his house?

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Can I come hang out?

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And uh, yeah, I think that was, I think also, um, when we stayed up till like 3am and we

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watched the Chappelle show, um, together.

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Uh, I, for some reason really remember, it was just probably really early on in our

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friendship when we went to the, uh, Six Flags together, um, I, uh, because I think it was

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like military day or something or your, your dad got a special deal on it or something.

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And I pumped out the entire day.

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I just remember like, like I spent the night and your maternal unit was trying to wake

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you up and you were just like, let's just cancel the whole trip.

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And I was like, bro, we're going to Six Flags.

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Like I'm going to wake you up and we're going to get there.

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So even now I say that to my wife, like what anytime we go to the trip, going to the trip,

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I just wake up and I say, let's just cancel the whole trip.

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And she'll just look at the whole thing.

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Yep.

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So those are probably some of my favorite, those are probably some of my favorite memories.

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Oh, and then going to the, uh, car show.

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Oh, no, B and Atlanta.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That was one of my favorites too.

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That was definitely one of my favorites.

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Um, we left right before the, uh, the crazy stuff happened.

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I remember it was just like, I remember your dad's like, cover your eyes.

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It was crazy.

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Um, I'm trying to think of some of my, so Chuck E. Cheese sticks out for me.

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Um, going to Chuck E. Cheese, like the very first time, I don't know why that sticks out.

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And then we went to the mall, like you're, we went to the mall with your dad.

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And I remember there was a bumper sticker with the B word on it.

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And I just remember your dad like had a track on him.

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Um, and yes, this was back in the day.

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When people had, uh, should we explain what a track is?

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I guess.

459
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Yes.

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You should explain cause a lot of people don't know what those are.

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Okay.

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So pretty much it was a pamphlet or like this piece of paper that explained, um, about Christ

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or, you know, it talked about different things.

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But in this situation, it was like, we care about you and it just talked about, you know,

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Jesus loves you, things like that.

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Um, I don't, I don't know if it was back to our church or what it was like most of the

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time it had like, you know, church directions or, you know, come to our church or something

468
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,680
like that.

469
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,800
I don't remember that, but I remember him putting that on the car, but I just remember,

470
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,120
I don't know why I remember that, but that was one of the times I remember.

471
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:54,840
Um, and that was kind of a weird culture shock day for me.

472
00:24:54,840 --> 00:25:00,360
I don't know if I've ever told you because coming from Germany, I just moved from Germany.

473
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:04,440
And I, that was the first time I had been to, well, that was the second time I'd ever

474
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,760
been to the mall and I had never been to Chuck E. Cheese.

475
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,000
Like that was the first time I'd ever been or even heard of it.

476
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,000
Yeah.

477
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,240
Cause like they didn't have it in, in Germany at all and things like that.

478
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,400
And so I had never been to Chuck E. Cheese.

479
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,280
So or even an arcade for that matter.

480
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:25,120
Um, well, I guess I had been to an arcade, but it was like kind of a small closet deal,

481
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:28,960
you know, like a really small thing, not Chuck E. Cheese with the whole, you know, I mean,

482
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,800
they had like, I call it the little hamster climbing tubes, but you know, I'm talking

483
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,920
about like the jungle gyms and stuff like that and then all the games and, uh, it was

484
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:39,920
definitely different.

485
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,040
Like I, I just different from what I've ever experienced.

486
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,760
So I still have a picture that we took at that time.

487
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,040
It's, I don't have it with me.

488
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,680
My mom has it at her house.

489
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,600
So I'll have to, uh, grab that picture so we can show the viewers.

490
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:54,600
Yeah.

491
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,440
The little, the little sketch picture.

492
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:01,560
Uh, this, this question says, can you recall a time when we got in a trouble together?

493
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,560
Yes.

494
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,560
Too many times.

495
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:11,160
What's a, what's a, is there a tradition, uh, that we have that's like, I don't know,

496
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,880
like meaningful to you.

497
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,680
I don't know if we really have any tradition.

498
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,680
I don't know if you can't really claim this.

499
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,200
I mean, maybe you can.

500
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,760
I don't know if you do this still.

501
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,960
I still take a picture of my Dr. Pepper or Coke can at every freaking flight that I take.

502
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,840
So yeah, I do.

503
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,640
I know you did for a while.

504
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,640
That was kind of a tradition.

505
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,240
No, I don't do that anymore.

506
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,240
Um, lately it's been, lately it's been spending Thanksgiving together.

507
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:46,400
We've spent pretty much like the last two, three, four Thanksgiving, or three or four

508
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,960
Thanksgiving together.

509
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:53,080
And, um, really this podcast is almost a Thanksgiving podcast cause this one, it started.

510
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,520
So that's what I always think about too.

511
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:57,520
That's true.

512
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:58,680
That's a tradition that we do.

513
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,640
Oh, I have a tradition.

514
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,160
I have a tradition.

515
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,680
I mean, most of the time, whenever we hang out, we have to go find an arcade and play

516
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:07,680
NFL lids.

517
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,360
That's a, I think that really started in Harlington.

518
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:15,560
I don't know if we really have any other traditions though, or anyone that we like stick stick

519
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,560
to.

520
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,720
I mean, there are some, I guess I would consider these loose traditions, right?

521
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,560
Like we kind of keep them up, kind of don't, but it's cool when we do.

522
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,560
I don't know.

523
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,560
I don't know.

524
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,560
But hey, you know, I'm down to make more traditions.

525
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:29,680
I don't, I don't care.

526
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,960
But then again, thinking about us as personalities, we've never been more for their traditions

527
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,960
and other facets.

528
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,400
So maybe that's why we don't have traditions.

529
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,400
I don't know.

530
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,320
There's a couple of traditions I have, but like, I don't really, I don't really have

531
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:49,160
like for me, and this is going into a small rabbit hole, but for me, like, I feel like

532
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:57,280
all of my traditions are football based, we think, because, um, there are games every

533
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,320
year that have like rivalry games between different people, whether it's pro or college

534
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,680
that it's like, yeah, I want to make sure I watch that whenever it comes on.

535
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:13,600
Um, mainly college, like one is Iowa, Iowa state, something about corn fed in the middle

536
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:19,560
of nowhere, like, you know, people from Iowa, they get serious about that stuff.

537
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,640
And when it's that like in state brawl, I don't know, it's always a good game.

538
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,600
So I guess that's the only really traditions I can think of stuff like that.

539
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:28,600
All right.

540
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:35,440
Well, let's see what role do you think resilience plays in your personal growth and overall

541
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,440
happiness?

542
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:42,200
Do you have a, do you think resilience or, you know, even perseverance, I'll throw perseverance

543
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,200
in there.

544
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,880
Do you think that helps your personal growth because you have to push through things or

545
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,040
not necessarily push through things, but figure some things out and, you know, have

546
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,760
to persist through them.

547
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,400
That's why I'm where I'm adding that in there.

548
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,000
Do you think that that helps in your personal growth and happiness?

549
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,440
Or do you think that the progress you make on, you know, through that process equates

550
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,680
to happiness later on?

551
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:17,000
Um, I would say, I think for me, it's kind of a two sided coin because I am a very resilient

552
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,000
person.

553
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,920
I mean, I can bounce back from a lot.

554
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,320
Um, but.

555
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,560
And so I'm pretty good about pushing forward and continuing to not give up.

556
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,080
That's kind of one of the values that like I was taught was just not to give up.

557
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,640
But on the flip side of that, I think that sometimes hurts me, um, because I'll stay

558
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,680
in a situation too long just because I want to stick it out and I want to persevere.

559
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,040
Um, hence why I was with my ex-wife for so long.

560
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:50,760
Um, what I really should have gotten out because for me, if I give up, sometimes I think that

561
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,120
that's a failure.

562
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:59,320
And so for me, sometimes I can persevere or stay in a situation too long to a fault when

563
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,360
I should have really gotten out before.

564
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:07,160
Um, but I do think persevering does pay off in the long run, right?

565
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:12,720
Cause if you stick it out and you wait and you can get weathered to the storm, um, then

566
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,320
I think on the other side, there's always something good.

567
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,720
Um, and so I would say I'm a pretty resilient person.

568
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,560
And I would say you're a pretty resilient person too, man, because I mean, if people

569
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,040
only knew half of the stuff that you went through, but you, you still keep giving your

570
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,040
best every day.

571
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,680
Cause I mean, that's just who you are.

572
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:35,760
So like you can never not care about people and you can never not give your best.

573
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,800
Now there are times where you're like, if you're done with this situation, you're like,

574
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,800
yeah, I'm done.

575
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,440
I'm 100% out.

576
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,640
But at the same time, that doesn't make you stop.

577
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,120
And something else to that too, and I've had to learn this lesson just because you bow

578
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:55,760
out of a situation or understand that it's a no win situation and that's not your fault.

579
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,400
That doesn't make you a quitter.

580
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,360
Like there's been so many times that I've been in those situations where it's like, man,

581
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,960
I don't want to quit this situation.

582
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:09,240
And it's like, why are you going down with the ship for these people who don't give

583
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,600
a crap about you?

584
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,600
Cause most of the situation, now if it's a situation where people do care.

585
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,880
They've done a lot for you, stuff like that.

586
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,080
I mean, it's different.

587
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,680
But what I'm talking about is I've been in so many situations where you're willing to

588
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:28,760
go down with the ship for these people and you realize now they wouldn't nearly go down

589
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,720
for the ship for you, you know, and it's crazy.

590
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,040
We can go into a whole deep dive with that, but for sure.

591
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:40,040
You have to have that moment where like, and again, I know not everyone plays Red Dead Redemption

592
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,360
2, but you have to have that moment in Red Dead Redemption 2 when you're Arthur Morgan

593
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,120
and you realize that everything Dutch has been telling you is a lie.

594
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,640
And it's like, he's just been that person the whole time.

595
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,800
And I think you hit the nail on the head when you said just because you bow out of a situation

596
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,880
doesn't make you a quitter.

597
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,280
I think that, I think that was, I can even, I don't know why I want to delve into this,

598
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:09,960
but going into a personal situation, I had a job at one point that I bowed out of and

599
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,320
man, it was, that was one of the hardest things.

600
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,280
Cause just like you, I was instilled, don't quit.

601
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,160
And to me, I was equated, okay, you know, especially cause when you leave a job, what

602
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,880
is that called that you're quitting, you're quitting the job, job abandonment.

603
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,800
Job abandonment, you know, whatever you want to call it.

604
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:34,120
The deal is you were, you know, I was sitting in this job and I was getting crapped on all

605
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,120
the time.

606
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,880
And I just come from a job right before that where I was valued, you know, things weren't

607
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:48,440
perfect, but at least I was valued, you know, I, my name had weight, everything else here

608
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,440
at this place.

609
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,720
I just got crapped on all the stinking time and it just kept continually getting worse

610
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,120
and worse and worse.

611
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,040
But you're looking at this whole picture and being the person that I am, I cared about

612
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:08,480
my position and basically the position that they put me in, it was impossible to succeed.

613
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,360
And it was such a hard thing to see because I tried and tried and tried and tried and

614
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,400
tried and you just keep trying.

615
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,440
And then finally you realize it is a no in scenario and you're killing yourself.

616
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,360
And I literally was, I mean, Chris will tell you at that time I was having bad health problems

617
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,880
and it was like, I was killing myself and these people were actively screwing me over

618
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,380
at the same time.

619
00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:36,640
But it was one of those things to where it's like you have that belief that in yourself

620
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,040
that you can make it better and that I stepped into this, I put my name on it.

621
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,920
So I'm going to finish the job that I, that I was, you know, assigned to do.

622
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:52,080
But at the same time, when it's a no in situation and nobody is on your side, you got to think

623
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,480
about yourself.

624
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,480
There's that balance.

625
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,200
You got to think about yourself and you got to remove yourself from that situation.

626
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,080
And that was, that was probably one of the hardest things I ever had to do in my life

627
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,880
was separate myself.

628
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,400
But then I moved on to the job that I have now and again, it's not perfect, but I'm

629
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,720
valued right.

630
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:10,320
I'm not getting actively crapped on.

631
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,520
I can do my job every day.

632
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,160
So it's, it's, you know, a major difference.

633
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,160
Yep, for sure.

634
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,160
All right.

635
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,840
Now onto a lighter question.

636
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,120
If we were characters in a movie, who would we be and why?

637
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,120
Oh, for sure.

638
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,960
We would be the guys from bad boy, old Martin Lawrence and Will Smith, old.

639
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,760
Mike Lowry and Marcus.

640
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,760
Yep.

641
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:33,760
You already know.

642
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,760
Are you Mike Lowry or you Marcus?

643
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,760
Bro, you, you always, we always know who it is.

644
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,760
You got, you are.

645
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,760
I got to be Mike Lowry.

646
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,760
I'm Martin Lawrence.

647
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:45,760
I know.

648
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:46,760
I'm Martin Lawrence.

649
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:47,760
It is what it is, man.

650
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:56,760
I would say we are also, for me, I always think of Doc Holiday and Wyatt Earp from Tombstone.

651
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,760
I'm always like, yeah, that's me and Micah.

652
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,760
Also, wait, so which, which one is Wyatt Earp and who's Doc Holiday?

653
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:05,760
I don't know.

654
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,760
Which one do you think is Wyatt Earp and which one do you think is Doc Holiday?

655
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,760
I don't know.

656
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,760
Cause I could see myself in both and then I could see you as both.

657
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,760
So I'm like, I don't know.

658
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,760
I don't know.

659
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,760
That's why I was curious of who, who you thought was who.

660
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:27,760
I, you know what was, uh, you know, who also I, I see ourselves as, um, Will Ferrell and

661
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,760
John C. Riley from stepbrothers when we were 15 years old.

662
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,760
That movie always reminds me of, uh, you and me.

663
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,760
So yep.

664
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,760
I, that's what I would say.

665
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:39,760
Let's see here.

666
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,760
So next one I got here.

667
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,760
What would you say the most adventurous thing you've ever done is.

668
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,760
So like, if you can say out of, or, you know, do you have a series of events that you say

669
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,760
was the most adventurous or out there thing you've done?

670
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,760
Venturist.

671
00:35:53,760 --> 00:36:00,760
I would probably say, um, when we went bull riding, when we rode the bull, that was pretty

672
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:01,760
adventurous of me.

673
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:02,760
Yeah, that's true.

674
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,760
Especially for you at that age.

675
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:04,760
Yeah.

676
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,760
For me, I was very cautious.

677
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:12,760
Very, I think getting my tattoos, um, that was kind of a, uh, adventurous thing for me

678
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,760
because a lot of people who knew me in high school when they found out I had two tattoos,

679
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:17,760
they were like, what?

680
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:23,260
Like even when, when me and Micah, you know, after we had that, you know, little time where

681
00:36:23,260 --> 00:36:24,260
we weren't friends.

682
00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:26,260
Um, and I told him, I got a tattoo.

683
00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:27,760
He was like, you have a tattoo.

684
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,760
What the heck?

685
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,260
And I was like, yeah, man, got a tattoo.

686
00:36:31,260 --> 00:36:34,520
Well, not just that, but like shortly thereafter, he's like, yeah, I'm thinking about getting

687
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,520
another one.

688
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,160
I think you got one like shortly thereafter.

689
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:42,260
We, when we started being friends again, I was just like, dang man, I was not expecting

690
00:36:42,260 --> 00:36:43,260
that at all.

691
00:36:43,260 --> 00:36:49,920
I think also to, uh, uh, I think, uh, as I've grown, I've gotten a little bit more adventurous.

692
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,800
I think, uh, recently I've done a few rock wall climbers and I've made it all the way

693
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,160
to the top, uh, both times.

694
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,520
And so that's pretty adventurous for me because I'm scared of heights.

695
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:10,240
Um, so I would say that, oh, um, there was this, uh, time, uh, we went on a staff retreat

696
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:14,280
this was like five or six years ago and we were staying in this, it wasn't like a mansion,

697
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,560
but it was this big house.

698
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:21,600
Like I'm talking about like eight, eight, nine bedrooms and had this big indoor pool

699
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,800
and it was two stories.

700
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:30,840
And so, um, I climbed up onto the second story and I stood on the banister and like, it was

701
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:36,080
a pretty far jump like into the pool, but I like stood on the banister and again, I'm

702
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,800
afraid of heights and it was pretty high up.

703
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,240
So I like stood and I got jumped into the pool.

704
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,880
That was pretty, that was pretty adventurous for me.

705
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:43,880
So yeah, what about you?

706
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,960
I jumped off.

707
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,840
So like most of them are jumping off of things because a, so like, even though I love planes,

708
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,080
I am afraid of heights.

709
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,040
So like you get me above a certain level, man, I'm not doing very good.

710
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,080
Um, we went to this old Boy Scout camp in Mississippi.

711
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,080
Don't, don't ask.

712
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,760
It was a, it was a swimming hole.

713
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,640
It was hot, right?

714
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,600
And you know what the rule is in the South, especially, you know, the Southern States.

715
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,560
If the water looks like sweet tea, there's probably gators in there and this water definitely

716
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,560
looked like sweet tea.

717
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:23,160
So it was, it was dark and it was murky and there was like this platform deal where you

718
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,960
can climb up and I mean, bro, it was rusty as all get out.

719
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,200
I mean, it was, I mean, it was really old and decrepit, right?

720
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:37,840
And you get up there and it was 40 feet tall and, uh, 40 feet doesn't sound like much,

721
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:44,120
but bro, get up to 40 feet on the, especially on a rickety thing that's floating out there,

722
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,440
bro, it was sketchy and we got out to the top and I'm not going to lie to you.

723
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,560
It took me a little bit of convincing to jump off, but there was no way I was going back

724
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,180
down that ladder, that rickety ladder.

725
00:38:55,180 --> 00:39:00,720
So it was like jump into that and, um, where it was at, it was kind of in the middle of

726
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:04,840
this, uh, where this creek fed into a pond, right?

727
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:12,080
And it was quite a large pond and where the middle was, that was where this platform was.

728
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,040
And it was about 20 feet down, bro.

729
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:20,280
All I remember is I went down and it just, it was so murky that it just got dark.

730
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,200
Like the furthest you went down, it just got dark.

731
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,080
And I just, the first thing I did was just swim up to the top, bro.

732
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,560
I was like, uh, uh, I'm out of here.

733
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:29,560
It was, it was sketchy.

734
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:30,800
I don't like that stuff.

735
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,320
I like to be able to see what's going on around me.

736
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,200
It's that murky, I don't, I don't like it, but that was pretty adventurous.

737
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:45,400
Um, I also jumped off of a train bridge, like an old train bridge.

738
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,000
I think it was actually still used.

739
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,320
It's there in, um, San Marcos area and you can jump off of it.

740
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,880
I think it's like 20, 30 feet into the water.

741
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,480
Um, it's just stuff like that.

742
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,200
I'm just jumping off of different places.

743
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:07,120
Um, there was even one speaking of, you were talking about, uh, rock wall climbing.

744
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,320
There was kind of one like that, but it was, um, they had like shaved a tree.

745
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,200
I don't know if you've ever seen that before where they like shave a tree and then they

746
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,800
put the same things that they put like on rock climb.

747
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,240
So you can climb the tree, um, all the way to the top.

748
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:24,960
And this was like a big pine tree and they put a platform at the very top.

749
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,000
And the whole point was you climb it and then you can stand on top.

750
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,680
And then you jump off pretty much you had other people there and they were doing the,

751
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,240
what they call the Blair system, you know, the series of ropes where you're like attached

752
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:41,160
and they're like holding on to you.

753
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:47,440
But, um, so, so long as I don't let go and you don't let go, you're fine.

754
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,040
But it, it was pretty, pretty interesting.

755
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,000
Cause when you're, you never think about it, right?

756
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,080
Uh, especially cause this was in the middle of a forest in North Carolina and you're

757
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:02,240
standing at the top of this thing, you know, 50 feet up on this tree, it's kind of waving

758
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,560
back and forth a little bit.

759
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:08,280
You can definitely feel it moving, but you're looking at all these trees at tree top level.

760
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,840
That's just, it's, it's a weird vantage point.

761
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:17,200
Like it's weird to be, it's, it's, it's just kind of odd to think and you look at these

762
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,520
trees, they don't look that tall, but it's like, man, all these trees are that tall.

763
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,520
It's pretty nuts.

764
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,120
And I already know what you're going to say.

765
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,920
Maybe some of our listeners have heard this story, but what was your first impression

766
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,640
of me when you met?

767
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,480
Uh, I thought you were nerdy.

768
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,760
I thought you were geeky and I thought you were a little judgmental.

769
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,360
Cause all of that was true.

770
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,520
I can 100% confirm that I was nerdy, geeky, and I was judgmental.

771
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,760
Like, like the poor, the poor guy, like your glasses at the time and like the way that

772
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,840
you were dressed, like, I mean, it was like classic Urkel dress almost.

773
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,240
Like, I mean, he was like dressed up like Steve Urkel over here.

774
00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:00,760
The glasses not quite the same, but at the same time it was like, man, and I would have

775
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,320
been totally cool with it, but I just remember like, and don't get me wrong, the jokes I

776
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:09,240
were telling them were very, very bad, but, um, he wasn't digging my jokes and that automatic,

777
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:11,280
you know, kids, it's like, Oh, he don't like my jokes.

778
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,480
Well, he judged mental.

779
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,640
I don't like him neither.

780
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,240
I was just like, this guy, this guy thinks he's trying to be funny.

781
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:19,720
Like he's, he's trying to be funny, but he's not.

782
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:27,280
And I was like, he's just, he's just trying to be, be funny, but I guess, you know, became

783
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,240
friends and yeah, yeah, it's pretty well.

784
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:31,240
All right.

785
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:32,240
You're ready for your next one.

786
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:33,800
What is your go to comfort food?

787
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,440
Probably a Chick-fil-A or mac and cheese, to be honest with you.

788
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,080
Uh, firehouse is kind of a comfort food for me.

789
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:47,000
The thing for me is I don't like, I don't really like my eating.

790
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,000
Is it really emotionally based?

791
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,080
It's more of like, and the sad part, and maybe this is why I'm so skinny, but the sad part

792
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,760
for me, I look at eating as like a chore, to be honest with you.

793
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,480
Um, like, yeah, like I get hungry.

794
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:00,480
Oh really?

795
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,960
I, I really do get hungry, but I'm just kind of like, Oh, like I have to eat.

796
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:09,400
Like I have to physically stop myself because if I'm working, I have to tell myself to stop

797
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,200
because I'll just work through lunch and just not even think about it.

798
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,200
Yeah.

799
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,200
Yeah.

800
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,200
Okay.

801
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,200
Yeah.

802
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,960
It's not like a, it's not like, I mean, I like food, but there's some people that

803
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,920
like, they enjoy food.

804
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,720
They just love food and I'm not knocking those people at all.

805
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:25,720
Please hear me.

806
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:30,160
But for me, I'm just kind of like, I have to eat, but there are some people that they

807
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,760
are like, man, I love food.

808
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,480
This food makes me happy and I get joy and emotion.

809
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,240
Like for me, I don't get joy or emotion when I, not even when you go to Fogo.

810
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:42,520
Uh, I do go to, I do enjoy that at Fogo.

811
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,760
I get excited about that because I'm like, Oh, I know this is going to be some good food.

812
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,760
Brazilian steakhouse.

813
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,040
So yes, probably.

814
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,000
I'm not looking forward to the bill afterwards, but I'm looking forward to eating during the

815
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,000
time.

816
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,200
I always like pre-pl... that's one of those places that you have to like pre-budget.

817
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,200
You know what I mean?

818
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,240
Like, I'd be like, Oh yeah, like we, I know it's probably going to cost this much.

819
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:05,480
So I'm set aside this and a little bit extra just in case.

820
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:06,480
You know what I mean?

821
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:12,280
I'm, I normally set aside $250 for that meal by itself, $250.

822
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:21,040
So, um, but the follow-up question I have to that too is, um, so like for myself, food

823
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,160
is kind of a switch.

824
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,520
If that makes sense.

825
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,720
I have trouble eating because it's sometimes it is a chore.

826
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:29,720
Yes.

827
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:34,440
Um, a lot of what it is, is I know that if I eat, I'm not going to want to do anything

828
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,880
afterwards.

829
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,440
Is there any of that that is in effect?

830
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,560
Like, you know, if I eat this for lunch, I know I'm not going to want to do anything

831
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:43,560
after this.

832
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,720
Um, probably for lunch.

833
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:45,720
Yes.

834
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:49,080
Cause I'm like, Oh, it's just that case of like, Oh, I want to take a nap.

835
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:55,960
I'm definitely not as productive after I eat, but I know for you, you have to be physically

836
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,840
like mentally at rest for you to eat.

837
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:04,240
Like I know you have to have everything cross off your list because that's like eating is

838
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:10,440
like a peaceful time for you and that's like a mark of, Hey, my day is done.

839
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,520
I get to relax.

840
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,520
I get to eat.

841
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,520
I don't have to do anything.

842
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,520
I don't have to do anything.

843
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,000
Like I don't have to do anything else for the, for the rest of whatever.

844
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,440
And that, I mean, that is truly very detrimental.

845
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,440
That's where I have a lot of problems.

846
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,920
Um, a lot of people are kind of floored when I tell them it's like, when do you eat dinner?

847
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,800
It's like, man, sometimes it's at 6 PM.

848
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,080
Sometimes it's at 9, 10, 11 PM and that's not good for you.

849
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,600
But at the same time, it all depends on when my day is done.

850
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,800
And when I cook the dinner and eat it, you know, I mean, it's like, it just kind of depends.

851
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:50,440
And, um, but that's where it's detrimental is it's like, even when I cook something,

852
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:51,440
right?

853
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,280
I'm going to want to do the dishes before I eat or I'm going to want to at least set

854
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,920
it up to where it's taken care of, to where I'm not having to worry about that stuff.

855
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:04,760
And, you know, most of what I take my time with is preparing for things for the future,

856
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,440
which does help future me, but at the same time, it could be detrimental to me in the

857
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,800
moment, which is kind of interesting how that works.

858
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:11,800
Cool.

859
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,480
Bill, I have a couple, I have a couple more.

860
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,080
Uh, let's see.

861
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,520
Uh, I'll ask, all right, I'll ask a more serious one.

862
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,280
How do you think our friendship has changed over the years?

863
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,360
It's, I mean, just like us, we've become more mature.

864
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,080
The relationships become more mature.

865
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,160
Um, man, I think we talk now more than we ever have.

866
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,320
Like, I mean, it's at least once a day for sure at this point.

867
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,720
And so in, I mean, there was even periods of our friendship, even a year, two years

868
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:48,280
ago, um, where it was like, I wouldn't say that it wasn't that close, but it was like,

869
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,240
we were so busy that we couldn't, we didn't maybe going back to what we were talking about

870
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:54,680
with the balance, right?

871
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,960
Like, I remember I didn't make time at one point and, and I was guilty of that.

872
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:03,760
It's not a big deal cause I fixed it, but it's one of those things to where even a few

873
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,320
years ago I didn't feel like I'm going to even go really deep.

874
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,360
So Chris is my support network, right?

875
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,480
He's been there through thick and thin through so much crap with me, right?

876
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,800
There was even points where I was going through things, trust issues, things like that, where

877
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,640
I wasn't even talking to my wife, who was my fiance or my wife at the time.

878
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,800
There was even times where I would even just shut down and wasn't talking to Chris.

879
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,400
And it was even like on a personal level, like, yeah, we would talk about the podcast,

880
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,800
we would talk about things, but then there would be times where, you know, there would

881
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,440
be periods and he, you know, and that wasn't cool.

882
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:46,080
But at the same time, it's interesting how between that time and now we've not only

883
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:52,520
figured out how to do that, but how to find the balance to where, you know, I can use

884
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,920
you to support network on the daily basis because, you know, that's also what friends

885
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,160
are for, like really good friends, right?

886
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:05,080
You want to have their help on daily basis, whether that's advice or just, I mean, this

887
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,840
dude, he texts me sometimes or he'll leave me voice notes or something and it'll make

888
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,160
me laugh and it'll be like the only thing that made me laugh that day, right?

889
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,680
And those, it might be small, but it really helps.

890
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,120
Like it really helps out.

891
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:28,720
And so I think evolving, at least for myself, is understanding, utilizing you is not a burden

892
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:29,720
to you.

893
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:32,920
In fact, it's even better.

894
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,680
But there was a time that I felt that even in the recent past of like, oh, I don't want

895
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,760
to talk to him so much about this stuff because I was going through so much, it's a burden.

896
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,640
And realizing like, no, it's not, it's not a burden.

897
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,360
He likes talking to you.

898
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,720
He's your friend because he wants to be your friend and he's, and it's always been that

899
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:52,720
way.

900
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:58,640
And so I know that was kind of a long explanation, but for me, that's at least in the past few

901
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,040
years, how far it's come.

902
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,240
Yeah, for sure.

903
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:07,880
And kind of adding on to like what you said, I think, again, you know, I claim Micah as

904
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,640
my brother and everything.

905
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:14,800
And so like we have that brotherhood and brothers are supposed to be with you in adversity,

906
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,680
because they're also supposed to be there to make memories and laugh.

907
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,680
And so I think being younger and again, when you're like 15, right, you're not going to

908
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,440
talk about all your problems or all the world's problems.

909
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:33,080
But I think, and I can be, admit that I was guilty of that like at 15 in our teenage years,

910
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:39,720
I would be more like, instead of actually helping you with your problem, I would be more enabling

911
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:46,600
or kind of leading you in a path of making a like an immature decision just because I

912
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,960
would be like, yeah, dude, like that guy made you mad.

913
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,240
Well, you should go take a dump on his car.

914
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:57,560
And it's like, no, like, no, no, it's like a, hey, dude, like process with me.

915
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:58,960
Like, let's talk about this.

916
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,360
Let's figure this out together.

917
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,880
Like, okay, you're going through this.

918
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:11,680
And I think learning how to make it not so me centered, because I think, again, if, and

919
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,520
that's just comes with maturity, right?

920
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:18,720
Like you, you are like, oh, well, Micah did this that I didn't like.

921
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,960
And so that made me really mad.

922
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,360
And so I'm annoyed at him and not, I guess maybe more communicating, I guess, because

923
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,520
before I would just be passive aggressive about it and stuff.

924
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:35,480
And so I feel like that's kind of where our friendship has like become more vocal, right?

925
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:41,600
Like, you know, I can now say to, I can, I know that if I have a conversation with Micah,

926
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,840
I can tell him the truth.

927
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:49,360
And you know, I'm never going to do it like in a mean way, but like, I know that I can

928
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,360
tell him the truth.

929
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,280
Whereas before I would be so worried.

930
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,480
Well, if I tell him the truth, maybe he's not going to be my friend anymore.

931
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:56,480
Does that make sense?

932
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,480
No.

933
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,720
And at this point, you know, there's nothing that I'm worried about you asking me or me

934
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:06,600
asking you that's going to make this friendship go like, yeah, it might hurt or something

935
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,600
might happen, but it'll be fine.

936
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:09,800
I mean, we'll talk about it.

937
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,200
It'll be all right.

938
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,920
I did have a follow up question to that.

939
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,120
I'm going to match the question with the question.

940
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,680
How much, because we did talk about when we weren't friends for a little bit.

941
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,080
And a lot of that was over the person that you were dating slash then got married to,

942
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,400
how much of it do you think was the communication breakdown because we were talking about how

943
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,920
it was living in the room, things like that.

944
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,960
Do you think that because a lot of the communication did break down at the time.

945
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:40,000
Do you think that a lot of that contributed to us going apart for a little bit?

946
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,000
Yes.

947
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:47,040
I, and I'll take ownership definitely of my part because there were things that I just

948
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:52,360
assume was like, oh, well, I just assumed that Michael was selling all my business.

949
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:58,200
And instead of going to him personally and being like, Hey dude, like this came back

950
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,200
to me.

951
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,120
Were you going around spreading all my business?

952
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,720
I just assumed he was doing it because that's what other people had told me.

953
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:09,000
And I didn't go and investigate it for myself.

954
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,400
And at that time I was pretty gullible.

955
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,280
And so anything that people told me, I would just believe it.

956
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,320
And then again, we talked about how Fat Cat would kind of pit us against each other.

957
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,080
And I was like, well, if he's saying this about me.

958
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,320
And I'm just going to get back to him by saying this.

959
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,240
And so I never really like would talk to you about it face to face.

960
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:31,560
I would just kind of avoid.

961
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:36,640
And I also think number one, the person I was dating with, she planted those seeds, but

962
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:42,240
also to like, we were both so busy with our own lives that like, I think it was like,

963
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:46,440
Hey man, like we don't even hang out anymore.

964
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:52,000
And I, I remember like, and I never talked to you about it, but I was upset because

965
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,080
we were supposed to like hang out.

966
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,640
It was right around Christmas time.

967
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:56,640
Do you remember this?

968
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,640
We were supposed to hang out and do something.

969
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,000
And then you were like, yeah, let's go hang out.

970
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:06,760
And then like you, you had like messaged me and this was like one of the only times that

971
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,240
we were going to be able to hang out or, and we hadn't really hung out in months.

972
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:12,240
And then you messaged me.

973
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:17,120
It was like, yeah, I had to go buy Christmas presents for my girlfriend and all of her

974
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,120
family.

975
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,120
So I can't hang out with you.

976
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,120
And I was just like, bro.

977
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,960
Like we were supposed to hang out.

978
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:30,480
And so instead of talking to you about it, then I just got mad and I just internalized

979
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,920
and I didn't face the conversation.

980
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:39,280
And so I do think to answer your question, yes, I do think there was a lot of like breakdown

981
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:45,440
of communication and I can admit owning, not talking to you about it like directly.

982
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,040
Well, and I, you know, I was guilty of that too.

983
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,240
I was listening to it, a lot of other people were saying too.

984
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:52,560
And I don't know.

985
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:57,240
There was, you know, we could go into that a different episode because I think that's

986
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:01,000
a whole other, we've talked about it before, but I think there's a whole other bit to

987
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,000
it there.

988
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,480
But I don't know.

989
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,560
There was, there was quite a bit.

990
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:10,960
And then it was, it was really hard because the reason you thought that I was talking

991
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,840
to other people and why that was believable is because that's also something that I would

992
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,040
have done at the time.

993
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:21,080
I wasn't exactly discreet about things in our friendship sometimes like I should have

994
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,080
been.

995
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:26,000
And so there was, there was some things that weren't good there.

996
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:31,080
And so all in all, you know, I'm glad that we matured and I'm glad that, you know, the

997
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,320
friendship is definitely matured over time.

998
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:39,120
And I think now we're just really stepping into that, you know, I don't know, we're about

999
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,040
to be in our thirties, right?

1000
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:46,560
And, you know, it's, it's interesting how it's become like two teenagers hanging out

1001
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:52,960
and kind of being stupid to now we're talking about insurance and deductibles and family

1002
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,040
and, you know,

1003
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,480
Yeah, I'm about to have a family.

1004
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,160
Buying houses and all this other stuff, right?

1005
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,240
I mean, it's, it's just wild how much that's changed.

1006
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:04,240
You can ask, you can ask as many as you want.

1007
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:08,080
I only got two more questions for you.

1008
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,320
If you're comfortable sharing and if not, that's totally okay.

1009
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,960
What's a fear or insecurity you have that you'd like to share?

1010
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,560
I have a fear of rejection.

1011
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:18,960
Like I've always had that.

1012
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,520
That's one of the things that I've struggled with quite a bit.

1013
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:29,440
And I'm coming to realize now that, you know, because delving into childhood and delving

1014
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:34,920
into my parents' wear and things like that, it's because failure wasn't an option.

1015
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,760
And the hard part is it was all based on other people's expectations.

1016
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,920
And so the thing that I really struggle with is having those people, I still struggle with

1017
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:45,920
this.

1018
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:46,920
It doesn't matter who it is.

1019
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:47,920
It could be a boss.

1020
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:48,920
It could be a whatever.

1021
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:54,160
If just regular people who I feel are older than me or maybe you're an authority figure,

1022
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,200
even if it's not directly, and they say, Hey, you should do this with your life.

1023
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,240
I feel obligated to go in that direction.

1024
00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:05,840
And that's like the natural way that I want to do it, and it's like, Oh yeah, I should.

1025
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:06,840
You're right.

1026
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:07,960
You're I should.

1027
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:14,240
And it's, I always have to fight that natural instinct of what I've been in grain to do

1028
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:19,720
and be like, no, no, let's take it from the lens of what is best for Micah and family

1029
00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:21,220
here.

1030
00:56:21,220 --> 00:56:26,080
And it takes a lot, but that's it's taken a long time to get there, but that's definitely

1031
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:27,080
something there.

1032
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:35,680
For sure, 100% I identify with that too, because again, the rejection is like a big thing.

1033
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:42,440
Just the things from my past and like, again, like I'm not as insensitive or missing on

1034
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:49,000
social cues as Michael Scott, but I do can relate to him because when he's like, I, he's

1035
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,080
like, I just want people to like me.

1036
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,920
He's like, you're in the, you're the boss and you have to make these hard decisions,

1037
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,200
but you want people to be your friend, right?

1038
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,200
Like you want people to like you and that's hard for me.

1039
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,440
And I've learned that I'm like, man, not everyone's going to like you.

1040
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:12,040
And so I've had to like not take that personally, but on a silly level, I am afraid of ledges.

1041
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:17,200
Like I can do heights, but if I look over a ledge, I can't do that.

1042
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,120
And then like being burned.

1043
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,240
I don't like that.

1044
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:29,080
And then maybe it's again, we talked about how I possibly might be on the spectrum,

1045
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,880
but like loud noises, like loud, I do not like loud noises.

1046
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,360
Oh, loud noises.

1047
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:35,360
Yeah.

1048
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,360
Yeah.

1049
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,760
I feel the same way on that front, especially like the biggest thing that just drives me

1050
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,640
nuts is balloons freak me out.

1051
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,680
Like I don't have global phobia, which is, I don't know why that's the phobia for balloons

1052
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:48,680
and why I know that.

1053
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:49,760
I don't know.

1054
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,960
But I don't have global phobia.

1055
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,040
Like I could hold a balloon.

1056
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,160
I could play a balloon, whatever.

1057
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,480
It's the popping of balloons or the random popping or anything.

1058
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,400
I hate that crap.

1059
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,400
Even thunderstorms.

1060
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,600
I used to think like, oh, I was afraid of thunderstorms.

1061
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,400
Not really what scares me the most about them.

1062
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,680
It's not the lightning flash or anything.

1063
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,600
It's the thunder and not knowing when it's coming.

1064
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,840
Like something about that freaks me out.

1065
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:15,960
I don't know.

1066
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,760
So I totally get you on that.

1067
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:18,760
Yeah.

1068
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:24,080
And I can do outdoor gun ranges, but I hate indoor gun ranges because you have the loud

1069
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,240
sound and then you have like the impact, right?

1070
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,160
Like you feel the, and it's hard for me to concentrate.

1071
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,520
So I'd rather go to an outdoor gun.

1072
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,160
This is a nitty gritty question.

1073
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,520
Is it also the variations of sounds?

1074
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:42,600
Because that bothers me to where it's not all one uniform sound of gun, if that makes

1075
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:43,600
sense.

1076
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,840
Um, yeah, I think so.

1077
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:52,080
Something else that weirdly bothers me since we're on the subject.

1078
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:58,560
I don't understand this one at all, but so it, you've seen planes and everybody knows

1079
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,720
they have nice, blinky lights on them, correct?

1080
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:08,000
So there are all the different ones or different lights and they all have names.

1081
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,800
Pretty much the main ones, the main flashy white ones are strobe lights, just like you

1082
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,840
would think, like strobes.

1083
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,760
And then there's a red light underneath called the beacon, which says like, okay, the engine's

1084
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,160
on and whatnot.

1085
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:26,600
My biggest pet peeve at night, especially if you're looking at planes, there's a way

1086
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:31,240
that that bottom red beacon light, it'll flash twice, boom, boom.

1087
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,840
And then the, on the wings, the strobes will go, right?

1088
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:41,080
There's a way that it's all synchronous to where it all, you know, blinks in a good,

1089
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,760
you know, synchronous way.

1090
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,840
I hate it when it's all off rhythm, if that makes sense.

1091
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,600
Like blink, blink, blink, blink, blink, and it's all off rhythm.

1092
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,160
I can't stand that.

1093
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:53,160
That drives me nuts.

1094
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,160
I have no clue why.

1095
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,720
You and the five other people in this world.

1096
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:57,720
Yes, sir.

1097
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:58,720
I know, man.

1098
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,960
Hey, it's the three other people.

1099
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,280
I don't think it's even five.

1100
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:03,280
Okay.

1101
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,280
You got another question.

1102
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,080
I only have one more, but do you have any other questions?

1103
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,080
Yeah.

1104
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:09,440
This one's a little interesting.

1105
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:15,640
Have you ever had a funny or embarrassing tech mishap, like with a piece of technology?

1106
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,120
Well, a couple of ones.

1107
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,120
One, what happens?

1108
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,040
Of course, you have that text messaging thing, right?

1109
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:26,160
Like you accidentally sent a text to someone that's not supposed to.

1110
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:35,720
Like I sent one to, it was my store manager at the time, and his name was next to somebody

1111
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,200
else's name in my phone and the chat thread.

1112
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,760
And I said, I could cuddle with you all night.

1113
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,840
And I accidentally sent it to him.

1114
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,040
Oh my gosh, dude.

1115
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,720
He laughed so hard.

1116
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:55,400
And for the longest time, for the longest time, he would always tease me about that.

1117
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,680
He was like, yeah, I'll cuddle with Christopher.

1118
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,200
This happened yesterday.

1119
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,120
I sent a meme and I sent it.

1120
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,400
You know how you can send it to different people on Instagram?

1121
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,320
You can send it to different people and send separately.

1122
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,600
So I hit the person I was going to send it to.

1123
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:17,080
And then my finger slipped and it hit another person.

1124
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,160
I didn't know who it was.

1125
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:24,440
And so I looked to see it was the church's Instagram account, bro.

1126
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,320
So I had to delete it real quick.

1127
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,560
I had to delete it real quick because I was like, oh no, the church Instagram is going

1128
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:31,960
to get this beam.

1129
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,520
And it's not necessary.

1130
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,560
It's not inappropriate.

1131
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,400
But I was like, it's not great.

1132
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,920
So I was like, oh, out of all the ones I could say it was the church's Instagram.

1133
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,280
Oh, dude, I was.

1134
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,920
But it's not exactly what you want them to see.

1135
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,760
So mine, I was working.

1136
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,080
I was working at the hospital, right?

1137
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:59,560
And they had this new hire orientation once a month and I worked on the security team,

1138
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,720
like the IT security team over there.

1139
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:07,680
And so by law, you have to do a little IT security presentation.

1140
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,720
Well, since I was the new guy, of course, nobody else wanted to do it.

1141
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,920
And so they were like, yeah, you go ahead and do it.

1142
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:20,240
And at the time, you got to think, I was 25 years old.

1143
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,720
This was my first big professional job, everything like that.

1144
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,680
And I'd been working there for a little bit.

1145
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,840
And I'm fairly comfortable speaking in front of people.

1146
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,880
Don't get me wrong.

1147
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,800
It was in this conference room thing.

1148
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:38,880
And it's the typical thing, you walk in the door and it's down the aisle into the front

1149
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,040
right there.

1150
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,800
And so I was having a problem with my lapel mic.

1151
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,320
Like it was one of the lapel mics on your shirt.

1152
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:46,800
I was futzing with it.

1153
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:51,280
And I don't remember why, but I was messing with it, messing with it.

1154
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,920
And I said, oh, s, like the s word.

1155
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,600
Like I said, oh, s.

1156
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:01,160
And the mic was on and everybody heard me.

1157
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:02,160
It was so bad for me.

1158
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,440
Did they just kind of ignore it?

1159
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:05,440
Kind of.

1160
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:06,920
Some people said that too.

1161
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,680
Some people said stuff to me.

1162
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,840
They were like, did you realize your mic was on?

1163
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,240
That's all they said.

1164
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:13,880
But it was very obvious.

1165
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,120
I heard it in there and I knew everybody else heard it too.

1166
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,840
It made the rest of it very awkward.

1167
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,840
It was very awkward after that.

1168
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,040
This is my last question to ask you.

1169
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:31,680
What are some of your biggest dreams or goals that you haven't shared with many people?

1170
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:36,280
Or you haven't really shared them with the podcast listeners.

1171
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,520
So what's like some of your biggest dreams or goals?

1172
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:45,960
I would say my biggest dreams goals, get the rest of my pods licenses.

1173
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,160
And of course, I think that's more of an obvious one.

1174
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,200
You want to make a lot of money so that I can do a lot of things.

1175
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:58,600
But my goals when I have a lot of money include, I really want to go into space.

1176
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,000
Like I really want to take one of those space rides.

1177
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,400
Another stupid expensive.

1178
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,280
But if I had the money, I would definitely spend it.

1179
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,680
I think that would be really cool to see the earth from that vantage point.

1180
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,440
That's one of my goals for my lifetime.

1181
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,320
Like I want to see, I want to go into space.

1182
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,000
I want to come back, you know, make it a short trip.

1183
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,440
It's not like one of those things like, oh yeah, orbit for four days on the international.

1184
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:21,760
I don't want none of that.

1185
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,960
I just want, you know, just a brief experience to where I could take some pictures, see what

1186
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,680
it's like on the outside, that sort of thing.

1187
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:30,680
Nice.

1188
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:35,960
And of course, I have, you know, how about you see a typical, like, you know, have kids,

1189
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,680
have the family, all that good stuff.

1190
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:45,480
A goal of mine and I don't know if I'm still going to get to make this one happen in 2024,

1191
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,160
but it's to meet Sting.

1192
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:55,400
There was an opportunity that's going to happen in October, but that may fall through to meet

1193
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:56,400
him.

1194
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:03,920
I think to get to again, go backstage at a WWE event.

1195
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,640
That would be really cool.

1196
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:10,520
My dream, be a WWE chaplain.

1197
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:16,120
Like I don't know if that's even a thing, but like, if I could just be like help with

1198
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:20,680
pastoral care, like pray for them before they go wrestle, like that would be really cool.

1199
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:21,840
See, I could just see that.

1200
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:26,280
I could just see that like you having that, but then then playing that into the storyline,

1201
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:30,600
like somebody messes with the past, like one of the bad characters messes with the pastor.

1202
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,160
It's like, you don't mess with Pastor Chris.

1203
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:33,160
I don't know.

1204
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:34,160
I can see that.

1205
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:41,440
I think also too, I want to, of course, I want to go to Israel.

1206
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:47,760
I want to travel maybe, I don't know, maybe to Europe, maybe.

1207
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,280
I definitely want to go skydiving.

1208
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:51,840
We've talked about that.

1209
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:58,960
I want to ride the biggest roller coaster in the world, which is in New Jersey.

1210
01:05:58,960 --> 01:05:59,960
I don't know.

1211
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:05,680
I have some goals and dreams again, like with career wise, like being a pastor, like, I

1212
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:11,360
don't know, dude, like just sharing Jesus with as many people as I can, like before

1213
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:12,360
I die.

1214
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:13,920
I mean, that's really it.

1215
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:19,600
Like as a pastor, I feel like, yeah, like you have those goals, but like, I don't know.

1216
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,480
That's a whole nother sub thing that we can get into.

1217
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:23,480
Yeah.

1218
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,000
Well, it's hard to make some of those goals tangible, right?

1219
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,560
Because that's a very broad statement.

1220
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,920
It's like, save as many people as you can, and there's a million ways you can try to

1221
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:31,920
do that.

1222
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:32,920
So I definitely understand.

1223
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,400
But yeah, man, that's been a great episode.

1224
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,200
I'm telling you, you can keep on going and going and going.

1225
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,240
I liked a lot of the questions that we came up with.

1226
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:40,240
Yeah.

1227
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:44,320
Do you have any final question or are you like, nah, let's send it right here?

1228
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:45,760
Not any off the top of my head.

1229
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,040
Oh, let me ask you this.

1230
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,280
So I kind of know the answer.

1231
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,160
You used to like Texas Tech football.

1232
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,160
Are you saying that you're not necessarily a fan anymore?

1233
01:06:55,160 --> 01:07:01,880
I mean, I'm not really a fan of like football and CAA or like professional.

1234
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:02,880
Yeah.

1235
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:07,800
I can watch a few games, but I'm definitely not as into it as I used to be.

1236
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:12,760
And maybe that's just because I work on Sundays and so I don't have time to keep up with it.

1237
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:18,560
Maybe the Texas Tech fans have just made me jaded.

1238
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:19,640
I don't know, man.

1239
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:25,400
I guess I'm not really that big of a football fan.

1240
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,000
So I don't hate it.

1241
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,720
I mean, I understand what's going on and I'll watch a game.

1242
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:36,040
But for me, I'm just kind of like, eh, like I don't have a team that I'm like, oh, yeah,

1243
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:37,040
I'll root for.

1244
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:41,880
I feel like back in the day, it was easier for me to get behind a team.

1245
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,240
But now not really.

1246
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:44,680
Yeah, I totally get you.

1247
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,920
Now one one other follow up question about that.

1248
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:48,440
And I know we're delving off into football.

1249
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,800
Is there ever a football game that you like remember sitting down and watching?

1250
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:53,640
Like, yeah, I remember that one totally.

1251
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:54,640
Yes.

1252
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,640
The Super Bowl at your house that we've talked about with David Tyree.

1253
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,040
David Tyree, the Giants.

1254
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:05,920
There were of course, I kind of watching Falcons games on Sundays with my dad.

1255
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,680
That was kind of like a memory and tradition.

1256
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:17,040
I don't know if there's not like one specific one that I remember really watching.

1257
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:21,880
Oh, I remember the I used to be a Florida Gators fan.

1258
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:27,360
So I remember the Georgia, Florida, Tim Tebow era.

1259
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,880
But other than that, man, like I don't really remember too many.

1260
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:30,880
Yeah, I get you.

1261
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:31,880
I get you.

1262
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,080
I would say probably the one that I remember the most.

1263
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,080
I don't.

1264
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:40,080
Of course, there's always the Texas Tech against UT one and 08 or Michael Crabtree made the

1265
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,080
catch.

1266
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:42,080
I watched that one live.

1267
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,800
So definitely remember that one.

1268
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,920
But the game after that was also really good.

1269
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:47,200
It was Oklahoma State.

1270
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:51,240
They played Oklahoma State and they were like number nine or something and they played them

1271
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,040
again in Lubbock at night.

1272
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,600
And it was a, you know, it was a really good game.

1273
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:00,560
I think it was just nice because they were actually good and they had, we had hope that,

1274
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:05,000
you know, because they had moved up to number two and it's like, oh, if they stay, then

1275
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,240
they may get to the national championship, but they end up losing.

1276
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:09,240
So it don't matter.

1277
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,320
I hope you guys enjoyed.

1278
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:12,800
You guys listening to us.

1279
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,720
Thank you so much for joining us on this ride.

1280
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:20,480
We've enjoyed getting to interview each other and I hope you all got to know us a little

1281
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:21,480
bit more.

1282
01:09:21,480 --> 01:09:24,040
And so yeah, tell them where they can go for all the stuff.

1283
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:30,960
It is at the trash can network at the trash can network over on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube

1284
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,360
and you got the aviator society also on Instagram.

1285
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:35,360
Come and follow us.

1286
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:36,360
Come and like us.

1287
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:37,360
Come and talk to us.

1288
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:38,360
We enjoy it.

1289
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,160
And we got all sorts of stuff on there.

1290
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,200
We got stuff that's aviation related.

1291
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:43,960
We got stuff that's not aviation related.

1292
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:48,000
All aviation related stuff is definitely on the aviator society though.

1293
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,520
So come check it out.

1294
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,080
I'm telling you, it's, it's pretty wild.

1295
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:56,720
What's going on in our world today, especially aviation wise.

1296
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:02,320
So we hope you guys have an amazing week and we will see you guys next time.

1297
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,080
I'm Chris and I like it.

1298
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:11,080
I'm Chris from the DC's, the Dona Barks podcast.