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Well ladies and gentlemen, it's the Dona Box podcast and today both Chris and Micah are

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gonna just talk.

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Yeah, pre-flow baby.

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What you gotta say about that Chris?

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Yeah, it's one of those weeks.

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These are my favorite weeks where we get to just dive in, talk about what it is we have

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on the schedule.

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I like it man.

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It's always interesting.

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I love this structure but sometimes it's nice because you can just be talking and then

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segment or go through like man, I should have more time on.

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Yeah heck yeah.

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And you know, a few weeks ago we talked about my career beginnings and where I'm at now

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and you know what?

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We're gonna talk about Chris.

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We're gonna talk about Chris and where he was at, where he's been in his career and

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where he's at now with it and anything in between because as we learned from the first

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one who knows what's gonna come up, right?

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So you know what?

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Let's do the intro.

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Hi, I'm Micah.

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And I'm Chris.

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And this is the Donald Box podcast.

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Chris, without further ado on this very special free flow episode, let's just talk about you

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and your career path man.

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So you know, we've talked about it before.

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I don't know, we're probably not gonna go this far back but one of the jobs we actually

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did have together was at the boot crowd.

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So we actually worked over there together as you know from many of the stories.

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We actually helped get Chris the job over there.

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I don't know if he's grateful for that or if he's like, man, you know, maybe that wasn't

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the best job in the world to get.

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I don't like the time that was there but if I could go back, I wouldn't, like there were

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parts of it that I would do over but I don't regret it.

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You know what I mean?

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Like everything happens for a reason and so I learned a lot of lessons from that job.

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So I don't regret it.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Only reason I bring it up is because I'm gonna ask some questions later on about, you know,

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maybe how some things correlate back to that job.

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So what were some of the other jobs you had after that man?

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So you left boot corral and you could talk about how you left boot corral if you want.

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We've, well, we already talked about that a few episodes ago.

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So you don't have to divulge in that again but you know, we can talk about where would

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you go afterwards?

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So, so I, when I was working at boot corral towards the end of it, I was going to school

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full-time.

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I was actually working overnight at supermarket chain which I actually left and then came

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back and then I became a grocery manager in that organization.

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But I just worked overnight man for two years and to be honest man, like those from a work

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perspective, those were some of the best years that I enjoyed.

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But it was really about the people man.

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I like, there were about probably five or six guys that like I developed a good relationship

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with and it really was an opportunity for me to like grow and sharing my faith and stuff.

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And like, again, we didn't talk about my faith every night but like the guys knew what I

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was about.

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And working overnight, you attract, that job kind of attracts like course thugs, convicts,

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you know, pie heads, like just kind of the people that I wouldn't call them outcasts

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but they're just different types of people that come to work on the night crew.

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And so man, I actually have relationships still with those guys.

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I, you know, I talk with them and you know, one of the main guys, you know, I've stayed

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in contact with him for 10 years.

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And so like we talk all the time and you know, we don't always see each other all the time

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but it's one of those understandings like, Hey bro, like I'll see you when I see you

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and I'll talk to you when I talk to you kind of the type of deal.

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So it was really good man.

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Like overnight's kind of sucked and you know, the job itself actually sucked.

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But like, I really enjoyed getting to know those people and working overnight was hard

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because like during the day, like you would want to sleep but you'd also need to get errands

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done or people would want to hang out with you.

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And so you kind of had to choose like, do I go to sleep or do I hang out with people

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or get errands done?

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But I was at that job.

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Yeah, I'm telling you, I know about that too.

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Having worked an overnight job too.

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It's you're on the opposite schedule of a whole bunch of people, right?

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So it's like, if you want to maintain relationships, friendships, that sort of thing is like you

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got to make concessions on your sleep time.

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Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

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And how many hours did you work overnight?

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So my crew chief, who is the guy that I still keep in contact with, shout out to my boy

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Austin, but he was smart.

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Like he made it to where we would work instead of working five days, we would work four days.

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So we would just work 10 hour shifts.

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And the way he stacked it was all the full-time guys.

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I think there was four of us.

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One of the guys was just the weekend warrior, he just only worked weekends.

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So the A team would work eight days on while the B team had six days off.

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then B team would come and they would take over for eight days.

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So it was actually a pretty good schedule.

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So you could actually go out of town, go on vacation, you could get your sleep schedule

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adjusted.

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So towards the end there, it was eight days on, six days off.

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Either way, it's nice.

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Four 10s.

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Four 10s is typically nice if you're having to work a normal week and then yeah, eight

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on, six off is pretty nice.

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I think we should all go to four 10s.

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Oh yeah.

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So four productive in 10 hours a day worth of having that third day off is a true blessing,

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like I'm telling you.

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Because I almost work 10 hour days anyway.

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So it's like another two hours.

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Another two hours ain't no big deal.

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And you know, I don't know.

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All the jobs I've ever had four 10s have just been a great schedule.

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It's been fantastic.

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All right.

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So you were there.

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Where did you go next and what made you leave the grocery industry the first time?

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So I know this is going to sound really weird, but I was just like praying one day and the

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Lord was like, Hey, like it's time for you to just leave your job.

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And I was like, but I don't have anything lined up.

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And like me, I'm the type of person like if I'm going to leave a job, I'm going to have

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something lined up next.

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But I had no idea what was going to happen.

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And this was in November of 2016.

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I knew that the Lord wanted me to leave that job.

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So I left that job.

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And then in the middle of November, that's when I got the call that my dad found out

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that his cancer came back.

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cancer and that was going to be around Christmas time.

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So I actually worked three days and I got fired after the third day because it was on

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a trial basis for the news station, the TV station editing their, editing their commercials

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or whatever.

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And they liked my work, but I just wasn't fast enough for them.

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So like after the third day, I remember it was the week of Thanksgiving and they let

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me go.

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Yeah, they were like, Yeah, okay, no, I understand that it takes, I mean, they put up footage

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really, really fast and they put things together really, really fast.

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Yeah, I definitely.

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And for me, I'm like, I'm very like a perfectionist when it comes to editing.

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So I have to like make sure everything is good.

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And that takes me a little bit longer.

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And so they were like, you do great work, but you're just taking too long.

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And I said, I, hey, I totally get it.

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Like, I understand no hard feelings.

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So then I was just kind of like, holy crap, what next?

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And so then I didn't have a job.

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And I actually went to Fort Stockton because the person I was dating at the time, they like

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we're going to possibly get a job in Fort Stockton.

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I looked in Fort Stockton, there was no jobs in Fort Stockton.

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It's a little bitty poad on that's a small place.

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Yeah, that's a small place.

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Yeah, it's an oil field town is what it is.

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And so like this was December and figuring it out.

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And I was like, man, like what's going to happen?

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So then my dad had his surgery and it was right before Christmas and they let him go

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home.

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And I think he got to spend Christmas at home.

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the 28th or so.

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I remember getting a phone call from my dad and he was just, we were just talking and

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something happened, I think they gave him like morphine or something and he accidentally

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hung up on me.

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And I was like, and because he was saying, hey, like the nurses are going to have to

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you know, do something, something.

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And he's like, so he's like, I might have to go in a little bit.

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Well, he accidentally hung up the phone and I was just like, okay, I'll call him back

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tomorrow.

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Well, famous last words, right?

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And that was the last time I talked.

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So coming back to Houston, which once you dandy, you were in Houston for a wedding,

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right?

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And then I was in for a wedding.

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So the wedding happened and I was on the way and this was New Year's Eve and my car was

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over heating, bro.

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So like what took an eight hour trip took me like 12 hours.

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It's cause my car kept over heating.

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I kept having to stop at like in the middle of the trip.

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That's when my mom called me and was like, Hey, bro, like what she didn't call me, bro.

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She was like, Hey, she was like, Hey, like your dad is not in like, we had to rush him

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back to the hospital and he's like in the ICU and I'm making phone calls.

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And so you probably need to like get down here.

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So I'll let you know, but just be prepared.

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And so I got, I finally got home and yeah, I, I remember stopping like on the middle

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of the loop and it was New Year's Eve because my car overheated and it was in the middle

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of the loop.

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And dude, I don't know if you believe, if you believe in angels or what people believe

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about an angel, but I'm friendly convinced that an angel came to stop, like stop and

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help me because this dude like pulled up and I didn't even see him dude.

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Like all of a sudden, like this truck just pulled in front of me.

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I don't, he came out of nowhere.

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And I just remember this guy came out and like, I was like, what the heck dude?

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Like, where'd you come from?

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And he was like, Hey man, he was like, Hey, like it's dangerous.

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It's New Year's Eve.

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Like drunk drivers out here, like use your car overheating or something.

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And I'm like, yeah.

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He was like, he was like, let me take a look at it.

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And dude, I don't know what he did.

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He like, he maybe messed around with it for like two minutes.

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And I remember asking him his name.

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He didn't tell me his name, but I just remember like kind of being like, not in a trance or

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a haze, but like, I just remember like when I asked him his name, like he just didn't answer

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me and like he got in and then he disappeared.

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Like the truck disappeared and my car didn't overheat at all.

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And I was able to make it home.

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So I got home at 2am in the morning and about seven later that morning, my mom called me

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and this is New Year's Day and she said, Hey, like, the doctor's telling me like, you probably

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need to get on a plane and come down here.

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And so in my mind, I'm like, okay, like he's just not doing good.

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Like maybe he'll, if he's going to pass, he'll pass in a couple of days.

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So we scrambled.

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I got on the first flight out of Lubbock.

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It was at noon.

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So I flew new flu from Lubbock to Charlotte and then from Charlotte to Augusta.

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And when I got to the airport in Augusta, my mom picked me up and she like, we were

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going to go get my luggage and my mom was like, do you want to sit down?

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And I was like, no, I'm good.

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And then I thought, I was like, Oh, like she don't ask me if I want to sit down.

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Like she probably needs to tell me something.

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And then as soon as like we sat down, I knew that she was going to tell me that.

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Anyways, I know that that was a side quest story.

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So do the funeral, all that stuff.

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I stayed about a month, a little over a month in Georgia, then came back and I was jobless

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and I was looking for a job.

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Then finally I found a job with a moving company.

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Man, working for a moving company.

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I bet you saw a lot of stuff.

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I bet you like not for the pun sake, but what I mean is like, I bet, I bet you've seen

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a lot with that job.

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So I know we've talked about this a little bit, but just for the view was at home, kind

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of how does it work?

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There are crews, right?

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And so when you start off, where would you start off?

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Like working there or like from day to day?

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Like working there, kind of the structure hierarchy and what would you maybe see day

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to day as that, you know, initial go into that role?

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So first you start off as, I don't know what they call you.

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I think they call you a rookie, but you're just temporary.

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Like you're kind of on a trial basis.

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And then you go from rookie to actual like mover.

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Okay.

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So mover means like you've got the job, you're not getting fired.

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Like, unless you do something bad.

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Then you go to crew leader and training.

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Now think about the acronym and they use the acronym.

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I'll let the viewers at home put the pieces together.

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Right?

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So that's what they called you.

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So crew leader and training, you're the one, when you're a crew leader and training, you're

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the one that's orchestrating the move.

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You're in charge of like going through the house and like you're leading the whole thing.

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You're in charge of packing the truck and you're telling the movers like what to bring

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you and how to pack it.

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And you're responsible for the, like the final bill because the way that this moving company

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worked is the people would call the office and the office would go through, okay, what

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items do you have in your house?

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And every item, depending on how large it was, got points.

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So if you had a small item, like a little nightstand, that's one point.

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If you have like a washer and dryer, that's seven points.

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If you got like big recliner sofas, that's 10 points.

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And so they charge you a base fee per point, right?

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So it depends on how many points you have and how many boxes you have, right?

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So you get charged a certain rate for the boxes and a certain amount.

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And that's pretty much kind of like an estimate at that point though, like for what the office

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is giving.

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Yep.

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That's right.

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So it's an estimate.

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So when you actually go to the house on the day of the move and here's the thing like

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they would post the schedule the night before.

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So you had no idea like if you were working that day or not, you have to go on Facebook.

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Yeah, it's rough.

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Luckily, I had a Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday schedule.

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So, and I made 40 hours a week just in those four days.

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That should tell you something and sometimes over time.

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So then the crew leader would go through the house on movie day and verify everything on

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the list.

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Now, if there was something that they were like, no, we're going to take that off or

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hey, we need to add this, then the crew leader at the end of the move after they loaded everything,

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then they would adjust the price, all that good stuff.

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Now there's also an additional charge if you have stairs, right?

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So there's also a stair fee, all that great stuff, right?

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Or if you were like a college kid that you didn't have that much stuff and you were like

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in the dorms, they would charge you like by the hour.

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So it was an hourly rate because you didn't have that much stuff.

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So it just depended, right?

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So you would go in and then after you verified all the stuff, then you would go in and then

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you would start packing the truck and the crew leader is the one that's responsible for packing

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the truck.

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So they have to, it's basically one big game of Tetris.

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So they got to look at all the stuff and be like, okay, how am I going to fit this?

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You know, you always start with your base pieces and then you stack to the ceiling like

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boxes and all that stuff.

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And so that's how it would work.

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If it was a large house, they would sometimes bring two moving trucks or three, just depending

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the office kind of estimated like who needed how many trucks and whatnot.

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And then you would have to make sure at the end of your shift, like you would have to

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make sure all the moving blankets were folded.

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You have to check all the inventory on the truck.

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Like it was just all this.

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Would you have to sweep out the truck too?

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Stuff like that.

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Yes, sweep out the truck.

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You'd have to not wash the truck, but wash the windows.

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You'd have to gas up the truck.

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You would have to make sure all the lights are working.

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Make sure that had.

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All checklists were to be.

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Yeah.

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Make sure it was gassed up.

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Make sure there was enough diesel exhaust fluid, all that stuff, right?

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So I mean, some other questions I have.

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So how often, I imagine it's more often that people add things than say, you know what,

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actually, that's not going.

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Am I right on that?

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Yeah.

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That's, I mean, sometimes it would be 50-50, but yeah, it was more like, oh yeah, we forgot

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to put this.

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And they're like, oh, okay, but, and then sometimes they would do that like mid-move.

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They were like, oh yeah, this is going to go.

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Oh, I got you.

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And it's like, don't forget, Aunt Janice is China cabinet that weighs five times.

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Or it would be like, oh yeah, oh yeah, it looks like y'all got room in the truck.

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So we're going to add this, right?

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Like I hate that.

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Now the other question that I had, weird things.

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The first thing that comes to mind is piano.

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Like how many pianos did you have to move?

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Like regular upright pianos or baby grand?

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Like baby grand, like large ones.

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I think I moved probably three or four.

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And there's a whole process.

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Like it matters how you take the legs off.

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You have to, there is like a certain, and they would only put like the most, the more

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experienced people on moves like that.

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So like they wouldn't put a rookie crew leader on a baby grand piano.

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Like they would make sure they had an experienced person or someone that had done it.

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Yeah, I could imagine so.

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I can imagine there's a, because you can't even tilt those things certain directions

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and things like, I mean it's.

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Yeah.

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Like you, you tilt it and there's a special like, they call it a piano dolly that you

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have to do and you have to wrap.

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It's a whole process.

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And how challenging is it getting it through most common door frames?

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I'm sure it's pretty nightmarish.

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The, the, the baby grand's not so much because once you take all the legs off, like you kind

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of flip it back, back up on one side.

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And so it's pretty easy to go through normal door frames.

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The upright pianos, those ones were a little bit harder to move just because they're made

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of solid wood and they're like, dude, they are heavy, man, especially like the, what's

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it called, the cell playing pianos.

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Oh my goodness.

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I moved a couple of those.

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Oh, those were.

364
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What is this, 1800s?

365
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Hey, people have antique pieces, man.

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Yeah, they do.

367
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Yeah, they do.

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Yeah, that's pretty cool.

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Some of the other things we've talked about with this job is, didn't you have to do some

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long distance moves a few times?

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Yeah.

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So people would move across states, they would move, you know, across Texas.

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Like it just depended it, like what your availability was.

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So like if you wanted to go out of town, there were some cool jobs.

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Like I think there was one to the Grand Canyon or near it.

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And then there was like one in Vegas where you went through Vegas.

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And so guys would put like bids on the job, right?

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Like if it was a hot like job, the guys would put in bids for it.

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But I mean, they move all across the country.

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So if you wanted to do that, like that's, that's you.

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I went on a couple out of towners, but those were only like in Texas.

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Did you ever have a truck breakdown?

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Yes, I did have a truck breakdown one time, but it was in town and it was after the move.

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So we had just got done unloading and it was just not like, like, I don't know, it was

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an accelerating or like, oh crap, what's going on with this?

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And so then our like guy from the office, he came out and he was like, okay, just leave

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it here, park it.

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We'll lock it up and then we got to take it to Penske or whatever.

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So very interesting.

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Anything else you want to add about that job?

391
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Yeah, I almost died on that job.

392
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Dang, what happened?

393
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:21,840
I didn't hear this one.

394
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,000
I don't think I've told you the story.

395
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So we were doing a water delivery altitude.

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You might have.

397
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Did I tell you the story?

398
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Yes.

399
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Okay.

400
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Yeah, you did tell me the story.

401
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Yeah.

402
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So we picked up a pallet of water from Costco and the thing was the lift gate on the truck

403
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we had, we had like the worst truck, like the oldest truck, it was almost broken down

404
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and the lift gate was barely big enough to get the pallet on there.

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And so like, so we got it on the truck and then when we got to altitude, like we were,

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the guy was pushing the pallet like to get it on the lift gate and he was like, okay,

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like, and I was down on the ground, like kind of directing him.

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And he was like, he was like, all right, let me know when, when I go to like, before I

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go too far.

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And I was like, stop, like stop.

411
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And he did not hear me say stop.

412
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And literally he went too far and the whole thing came crashing down on me, bro.

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Like the whole thing, like it hit me in the head and like, dude, I thought I died.

414
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Like I thought, I thought something was broken.

415
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I do think I kind of got a concussion.

416
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My hip was pretty sore, but nothing was broken.

417
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No scrapes, like nothing.

418
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They give you the day off the next day or something?

419
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,840
No, they didn't give me the day off.

420
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They told me to go to the office and chill out and then go back to work.

421
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That's what they told me to do.

422
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And looking back on it, I should have went to the doctor.

423
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I should have sued.

424
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Yeah.

425
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It's like, that was your open window, buddy.

426
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Now, yeah, that's, that's pretty crazy.

427
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But a lot of times, you know, you just having a job and you're trying to make that money.

428
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So it's understandable.

429
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One last thing before we get off on the odd jobs, I think the scariest job or the scariest

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thing we did, we had to move an 800 pound gun safe downstairs to a basement.

431
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Oh boy.

432
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And like when you were like dollying the thing down the stairs, right?

433
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Like you can go slow, right?

434
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You can go step by step.

435
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Like with that 100 or 800 pound gun safe, like gravity will catch it, you know what

436
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I mean?

437
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So it's like, yeah, there's no way you're going.

438
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You're going at whatever speed gravity wants to take that gun safe.

439
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Yep.

440
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So there were, I promise you, there were six guys that helped us get that gun safe down

441
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there and there was three on the bottom.

442
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Thankfully, I was on the top, but bro, like all of a sudden the top are so scared that

443
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that thing was just going to go because it wasn't like it was the basement.

444
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And then if it rolled, it would just roll into like the open area.

445
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Dude, there was like a wall.

446
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Like there was a wall and then you'd have to turn it to go down.

447
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So it's kind of like kind of pivoting.

448
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And I was like, bro, like if this thing goes, it's crushing somebody.

449
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I promise you.

450
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And so I'd never been so scared of my life.

451
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Yeah.

452
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And 800 pounds.

453
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,880
Yeah.

454
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,880
I would have killed somebody for sure.

455
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:10,880
Yeah.

456
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I was like, I was praying the whole time.

457
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I was like, Lord Jesus.

458
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,880
It's like the damage would be the least of your concerns.

459
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That's pretty nuts.

460
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,320
All right.

461
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So from there, why'd you leave and where'd you go to?

462
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I left because I got a job in full-time ministry.

463
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So I became a kid's pastor.

464
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That was like, holy crap.

465
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I kind of just stumbled into it.

466
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Right.

467
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It was kind of one of those things.

468
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So were you going to the church?

469
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Yeah.

470
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I was actually going to the church.

471
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Yeah.

472
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:54,480
I was going to the church and I was going to the church and I had just, again, I was

473
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serving actually youth in prison ministry and I was like, yeah, I'm not going to do

474
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kid's ministry.

475
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,160
But it came one of those things like, hey, can you just help us out on a Sunday?

476
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,480
I was like, yeah, I can help you out.

477
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,440
I'll do crowd control.

478
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,560
And then it became one of those things of, hey, can you lead a small group?

479
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,760
Okay.

480
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:14,760
Then it became one of those things.

481
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,120
Hey, can you teach on Sunday mornings?

482
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:18,120
Okay.

483
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,120
Hey, the kid's pastor is leaving.

484
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:21,120
Can you be our kid's pastor?

485
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:30,440
And I was just like, I don't know what this all happened within a year and a half.

486
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,920
So it was slowly over time.

487
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:33,920
But yeah.

488
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:39,080
And I was just like, yeah, because I'd been feeling like the call to full-time ministry

489
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,080
and everything.

490
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,480
And I was like, I don't know what this is going to be.

491
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,360
And then I just, when I started teaching on Sunday mornings, I was like, oh, I didn't

492
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:51,520
know I was good at this because I used to have a big fear of public speaking.

493
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,320
And I had done public speaking in the prisons and stuff.

494
00:25:54,320 --> 00:26:01,120
That was the first time I had ever got up and done public speaking regularly.

495
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,880
And then I was like, hey, I'm kind of good at this.

496
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,800
And so yeah, I didn't have no manual.

497
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,080
Nobody told me anything about kid's ministry.

498
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,880
I just had to make it up as I went.

499
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,080
Go with what you knew.

500
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,880
Go with the old Ricky Cool special and try to figure it out, I guess.

501
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:17,880
Now let me ask you this.

502
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,840
This is something we haven't talked about the entire time.

503
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,520
What was the pay like when you first got into this position here?

504
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:32,040
I was making 28 grand a year.

505
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,000
And this isn't 2017.

506
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,120
But at that time, that was the most I'd ever made in my life.

507
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:44,640
So for me, I was like, hey, this is actually pretty good.

508
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,800
And you got to think at that time, 2017, I know that doesn't sound like too long, but

509
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:57,080
inflation has been pretty real to the point where it's even back then, you could survive

510
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,440
a lot better on 28,000 for sure.

511
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,360
For sure.

512
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:09,400
So yeah, with kind of, I think I just got a health savings allowance.

513
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:19,280
I had to go on Obamacare from the federal government because the church I worked for

514
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:25,840
didn't provide insurance, but they just provided like a stipend, I think.

515
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,880
So yeah, so I mean, it was decent pay.

516
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,880
It wasn't bad.

517
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,880
It wasn't horrible.

518
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:30,880
It wasn't bad.

519
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,560
But then again, bro, like children's ministry is some of the lowest paid workers or like

520
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,060
staff members.

521
00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:45,360
So like compared to the other people on staff, I think I was one of the lowest paid, but

522
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:48,600
like I can't complain because I mean, it was decent.

523
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,640
Yeah, especially at the time, especially like you were saying compared to some of the other

524
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,640
jobs that you had prior to.

525
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,880
And that was my first desk job.

526
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,520
It was hard for me to be at a desk.

527
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,800
Yeah, you feel like you're lazy.

528
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,640
I'm telling you, you feel like you're not doing nearly as much and it's like, nope,

529
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,200
you're working at a different way.

530
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,600
How long were you there?

531
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,640
On staff a year and a half.

532
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,200
How long did you go to the church total?

533
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:22,880
From 2017 to middle of 2019, almost the end of 2019.

534
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,640
So like a couple of years.

535
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,640
Sorry.

536
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,120
I should, sorry.

537
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:35,160
Backtrack, the end of 2016 to the end of or almost the end of 2019.

538
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,400
So about two and a half years, three years.

539
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,400
Gotcha.

540
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,400
Two and a half, three years.

541
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,400
Gotcha.

542
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,400
All right.

543
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,480
So the famous question of the rest of this here, what made you leave?

544
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,480
Well, divorce, bro.

545
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,400
I'm being honest.

546
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,920
So that was during the time where I got, where I got divorced and my wife didn't want to be

547
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,040
married anymore and all that good stuff.

548
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:05,000
We're trying to work out and the pastors were just like, hey, like, you know, I think you

549
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,560
kind of need to step down and you got a lot going on.

550
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,120
You need to kind of figure it out and all that good stuff.

551
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,040
And so there were some other things that were going on, but I don't really want to get into

552
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,800
that in the public.

553
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,920
Like you, like, you know, but you know what I mean?

554
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,920
Like it's nothing bad.

555
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,200
Like nothing like, Hey, listen, I just had to give you the opportunity just in case you

556
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,200
do want to hear it out.

557
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,200
Yeah.

558
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,200
Yeah.

559
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,200
I mean, it was nothing bad.

560
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,200
It was just kind of like, man, that was just a lot.

561
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,600
Like I'm not, I'm not going to sit here and like put people on blast.

562
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:39,000
Like I'm not, like I'm not going to drag anybody's name through the mud or anything like that.

563
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,320
That's not, that's not what I want to.

564
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,640
I'll, I'll say church politicking.

565
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,720
That's the best way you can describe it.

566
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:50,200
The hard, the hard part with that, and I will share this, I think the hardest part of that

567
00:29:50,200 --> 00:30:00,640
for me was when the divorce happened or not the divorce, but like it was announced that

568
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,760
like we were probably going to get divorced.

569
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,760
It was funny how everyone in the church wanted to like all of a sudden talk to me and be

570
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:16,440
my friend, but I knew it was just cause they wanted the information.

571
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,080
And so like, but like people followed off the face of the earth, bro, like a couple months

572
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,200
after and I remember I was going to another church.

573
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,400
I started going to another church at the time because again, like it would have been awkward

574
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,760
for me to stay there.

575
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:36,000
I remember the senior pastor called me up and he said, he said, well, he's like, you

576
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,200
know, I hear you're going to another church and that's great.

577
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,920
And he was like, well, since you're going to another church, you're part of another

578
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,240
flock and I'm not your pastor anymore.

579
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,840
That's, that's, that's what he said, man.

580
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,280
To be honest, like that kind of hurt.

581
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,480
Cause I'm like, it shouldn't matter if I go to another church or not.

582
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,280
Like if you genuinely care about me as a person, like you're going to, you're going to reach

583
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,000
out and so yeah.

584
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:08,080
And I mean, never, I wouldn't say everybody cause my boy Travis, shout out to my boy Travis.

585
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,440
Like he came through for me and like, even though I wasn't going there, you know, I

586
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,200
mean, he let me sleep on his couch for a week.

587
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:19,000
So I can't, I can't say nobody, but like even after then, like he still reached out and

588
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,120
I think there was maybe one or two people that maybe reached out from there.

589
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,040
But everybody else that said they were my friend or said they cared about me.

590
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,280
They showed, they showed it, uh, showed how it actually was, I guess.

591
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,880
But yeah, shout out to Travis.

592
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,880
He's a real cool dude.

593
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,760
Um, appreciate all the help over the years.

594
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,560
He gave my boy.

595
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:47,640
So funny enough, like while I was still on staff, um, at the church, I had, because my

596
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,280
ex-wife, she had quit her job.

597
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,920
So I had to come up with extra income.

598
00:31:53,920 --> 00:32:00,480
So I was, I went back to the grocery store that I worked overnight at and I started working

599
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,480
part time.

600
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,600
Um, so I could put food on the table.

601
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,440
And of course, while I was putting food on the table, other things were happening at

602
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,520
home that weren't cool.

603
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,120
Uh, and that's all I'll say about that.

604
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,280
But so I was already kind of like, I was already working there.

605
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,640
I don't mean to laugh.

606
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,280
There's just, there's just so many things that went through my head that I couldn't

607
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,280
say on this.

608
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,280
Yeah.

609
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,280
So I was already working there part time.

610
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,640
So when the, when the church was like, Hey, like you need to figure it out.

611
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,120
Like I went to the grocery store and told them, Hey, like I can, you know, I can work

612
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,960
more and they were like, Oh yeah, bro.

613
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,960
Cause they love me.

614
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:37,960
They were like, Oh yeah.

615
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,160
Like we, you know, we want you.

616
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,600
All that good stuff.

617
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,080
Um, and we'll give you as many hours as possible.

618
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,200
And then they finally gave me full time.

619
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:51,000
And then of course, um, the lady, cause she was, she was the lady that hired me and then

620
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,520
she was the one that hired me back.

621
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,200
Um, she was a store manager and she was like, Hey, have you thought about what you're going

622
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,840
to do longterm?

623
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,040
And at this point I was like, no, like I don't know what I'm going to do longterm because

624
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,920
to me ministry was like out of the question, you know?

625
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:09,120
Um, and so then she was like, Hey, like what if you go through our rotation program?

626
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,560
Our store leadership program.

627
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,680
Now I do have a question that I'm going to stop you right here.

628
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,680
Why was it out of the question for you at that point?

629
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:23,040
Um, I think because again, while I was going, like I was in the middle of a divorce.

630
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,680
I don't want to say messy divorce, but like I, I was kind of in a rough place.

631
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:35,240
Um, I was like, man, because of my divorce and because of how I left, I, I just assumed

632
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,080
like, you know what, like no one's going to want to hurt me because I've been divorced.

633
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,920
Basically, basically you thought, cause there is that stigma within the church and it, and

634
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:50,480
it still is a big thing about, um, you know, holding some sort of position, a pastoral

635
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,040
position and not being married or being divorced and being single now.

636
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,560
I mean, there is a stigma about that.

637
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,560
I think it would have been one thing if like I, I was getting remar- I had already gotten

638
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:07,520
remarried and you know, like if, and I was like, maybe one day down the line, it'll happen

639
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:13,640
for me, but I have to get remarried and have kids and all that good stuff because.

640
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,840
So it was just kind of like a not right now in this season, but like maybe later kind

641
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,840
of feeling.

642
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:19,840
So I worked there.

643
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,240
I worked in literally every department, bro.

644
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:27,000
Like I've every department except for the pharmacy.

645
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:34,360
Um, and so I worked there and then kept applying for management positions, kept applying, kept

646
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:40,360
applying, kept applying, and then finally the week before Thanksgiving got moved to a store

647
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,480
on the North side of the hood, worked there for six months.

648
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,440
Um, good old part.

649
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,440
Yup.

650
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:54,160
And then got transferred to the store right by my apartment and which is actually where

651
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:59,320
I met my wife and then I worked there for a good few months and then I was the filling

652
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:07,320
grocery manager for a month and then I got promoted to post Texas and then it was in

653
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,960
January of 2022.

654
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,720
Dude, I don't know what it was.

655
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:22,120
Well, so let me backtrack like in the middle of me, um, in the middle of me working for

656
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,640
the grocery store.

657
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:30,120
Um, I'd actually applied an interview to be like the kids pastor at the church I was

658
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,840
going to and they were like, Hey, we really need someone that's more administrative.

659
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,600
Like we love you, but you're just like, it's not that you're not what we're looking for,

660
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:44,480
but we're just looking for a job description that like we know you wouldn't be interested

661
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,480
in.

662
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,480
I was like, okay, cool.

663
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,480
Like I still went, still kept serving, like still had good relationship with those people.

664
00:35:49,480 --> 00:36:01,640
And so in January, actually probably in November of 2021, something was just like, no, let

665
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,400
me take that back in June of 2021.

666
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:11,800
Um, sorry, I know the timeline is like changing, but I'm trying to remember back of 2021, man,

667
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,000
like after kids camp, I went to kids camp.

668
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,000
Something just stirred in me.

669
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,880
Like I was like, man, like I really want to go back in the full time ministry, all that

670
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,200
stuff was looking for jobs and hearing anything.

671
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,960
And then in January of 2022, I was like, man, like I'm going to make this happen.

672
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,160
Like I'm going to find, even if I have to move out of love egg, like whether it's Dallas

673
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,680
or whatever, I was like, man, like Lord, if you want me to do this, I'm going to do this.

674
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,720
I just felt something in me to like stir up.

675
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:41,720
Right.

676
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:42,720
So I was applying.

677
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:48,440
I had interviews and Waco and of course I was dating my wife at the time.

678
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,120
So we were like trying to figure out like, Oh man, we might have to do long distance

679
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,120
if I move.

680
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:58,680
Um, cause I had a couple of places interviewed me in the Dallas area.

681
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:05,000
And I think the fact that like I had a girlfriend here, they were kind of like, Oh like, we

682
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,200
know that's going to be hard.

683
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,840
So they passed on me, which is, I'm thankful for, right?

684
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:16,400
But then I remember just being like, okay, I just see this job for love it.

685
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,960
Like it wasn't even kids pastor.

686
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:23,480
It was like an assistant to the kids pastor or kids director here in love it.

687
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,480
I was just applied for it.

688
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,160
And I was like, I'll apply for it, but I know what's going to, cause I had been rejected

689
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,080
so many times that I was just like, yeah, I know what's going to come of this.

690
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,280
Like I'll probably get one round of interviews, but I was like, after that, anything that

691
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,280
happened.

692
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:43,120
Um, so then I'm also trying to move up in my company too and trying to get out of post

693
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,520
Texas.

694
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:50,720
And so I applied to be for the opening at a bigger store and I was interviewing with

695
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:51,720
that.

696
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:55,200
And then I finally got the call from this job and love it.

697
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,680
And was like, Hey, like we want to interview you.

698
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,520
So I went through the interview process, all that good stuff.

699
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,720
So I was going through the interview process for both jobs at the same time.

700
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:05,800
So it was kind of like a fork in the road.

701
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,920
So I was kind of like, I'm either going to go this way or I'm going to go this way.

702
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,920
I don't know.

703
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:11,920
Yeah, absolutely.

704
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,960
Now a part that, you know, I'm going to go back to a little bit.

705
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,040
You know, when he was talking about being at the grocery biz and bouncing around from

706
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,720
a lot of stores, reason being is, man, it was kind of that pursuit, which you were talking

707
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:28,440
about trying to move up as much as you could.

708
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,200
And what happened, it was a good old boys network for the most part, right?

709
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:39,520
And, you know, love Chris, but everything he was describing, it's like he was always

710
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,680
kind of on the outside of looking in.

711
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:47,120
And so what I mean by that is it was like, there was this position and he would interview

712
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,200
for it and he would always get a backfill.

713
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,560
And I think that even became the expectation after a while.

714
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,120
It was like, well, eventually I get there through backfills kind of thing, you know.

715
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,120
Yeah.

716
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,920
I was, I was never anybody's first choice to say.

717
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,560
I mean, there was a lot of frustrating times like calling you like, Hey, how'd the interview

718
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,560
go?

719
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,280
Like, I think it went well and then getting the calls like, nah, but you got this like

720
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,280
backfill position.

721
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,120
Like, I know there was a lot of frustration there for a bit.

722
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,760
Yeah, there was man, because again, I didn't play golf with the right people.

723
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,400
I didn't kiss up to the right people.

724
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,400
And I'm just not that guy.

725
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,400
Like, I'm just not.

726
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,240
I'm like, man, he's just going to do his job and do it well.

727
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:26,640
Like that's the kind of guy Chris is.

728
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,640
Yep.

729
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,120
I'm going to let my work speak for itself.

730
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:37,760
And so when I got the position in post, that was the first ever job or position where someone

731
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,200
chose, I was their first choice where someone chose me.

732
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,000
You know, this is a 45 minute drive one way to get, to get to where at the time, you know,

733
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,800
like that's, that was his commute.

734
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,040
It was 45 minutes one way.

735
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,040
And here's the thing, bro.

736
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:56,400
I wasn't, because this guy, this store director had passed, like I had interviewed for this

737
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:02,440
store a couple of times and this guy passed on me and it was always between me and someone

738
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,720
else.

739
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:06,480
And then the person he always picked never worked out.

740
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,200
And so like, I was like, man, if they offer me post, I was like, I'm going to turn it

741
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,200
down.

742
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,200
That's what I literally told.

743
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,200
I was like, if they offer me post, I'm turning it down.

744
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:23,280
But then when he said, we going to pay you $36,000 a year, I said, bet say less, say less.

745
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,520
I know that doesn't sound like much now, but at that time.

746
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,520
Oh yeah.

747
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:27,520
No, for sure.

748
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,120
Well, I mean, from where you were at.

749
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,440
Yeah, absolutely.

750
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:38,840
And then so I just bring, bring that up to say, you know, it was, it was a lot of back

751
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,840
and forth.

752
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:46,800
And so once you got to that fork in the road, as you called it, you know, it was, I remember

753
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,960
there was a lot of discussion, like you never really had a question of like, okay, if the

754
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,120
church says yes, this is the direction I need to be going.

755
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:02,760
But there was that question of like, you know, I'm interviewing for this other position.

756
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:10,080
It's what I wanted, like, you know, because it was like three months before that, I guess

757
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:16,440
my question that I'm kind of round about getting to here is how much of that rejection from

758
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:23,600
this, the supermarket made you like put that fire under you like that change.

759
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,640
I know you say you went to kids camp and whatnot, but like, I know before that it was kind of

760
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:37,360
brewing up, but I wasn't, it wasn't the, it wasn't the rejection from the supermarket.

761
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,240
It was just kind of like, man, like this isn't what I really want to do with my life.

762
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:45,640
Like, yes, I can move up and be successful and all that good stuff.

763
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,480
But I'm like, man, I just, I don't enjoy coming to work every day.

764
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,480
Like this isn't what fulfills me.

765
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,200
And so I was like, yeah, I know I can move up and I will eventually move up.

766
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,000
But I was just like, nah, man, like I just felt like it was just time.

767
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Yeah, for sure.

768
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,080
I totally understand that.

769
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,080
But yeah.

770
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:10,160
And so going back to the fork in the road and what happened, obviously we could tell

771
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,720
you got the job and you want to kind of talk about where you're at now.

772
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:14,720
Oh, sorry.

773
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:19,160
Well, I got the job and again, I didn't think they were going to pick me because I was like,

774
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,160
yep.

775
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,160
I was like, oh man.

776
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:27,720
And what was crazy was, so I went through like that third round of interviews and I

777
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:32,160
remember them being like, okay, we'll call you this week with a decision.

778
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,440
And I was like, oh yeah.

779
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,760
Or I think they pretty much said like, hey, we really, we're going to offer you this job

780
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:39,760
probably.

781
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,280
And like they said it without saying it.

782
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,400
And so I remember the next day I had to go to work was inventory, bro.

783
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,880
And I was like waiting on them to call me and all this stuff.

784
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,320
And we had just gotten a new store director and this guy was a pain in the butt to do.

785
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,560
And I was like, bro, I can't deal with much more of this.

786
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:01,280
Like, I was like, if they're not going to, I was like, if they're not going to call like,

787
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,360
and so money happened and they didn't call.

788
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,920
I was like, oh my gosh.

789
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:11,160
And then Tuesday I finally got the email and was like, hey, we'd like to offer you this

790
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,160
position.

791
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,280
This is how much it's going to pay.

792
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,280
Like we'll match your pay.

793
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,600
And I was like, yep, say less, boy.

794
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,440
Like say, I was excited.

795
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,440
Say less.

796
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:27,440
And so I took the job and then I worked a few more weeks and then just always happens

797
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,440
to me, bro.

798
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,000
I always started job like right before crunch time.

799
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:38,360
I started, I still was working for the grocery store, but I would still go on Sunday mornings

800
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,960
to just kind of see like what I was getting adjusted to the new job.

801
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:49,800
But my first official Sunday was, or sorry, my first official week was the week before

802
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,880
Easter.

803
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,240
And bro, it was nuts.

804
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:57,240
It was nuts.

805
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:02,440
That Saturday service, we got 110 kids all in one little room.

806
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,960
Oh, bro.

807
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,240
And only four leaders.

808
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:08,680
I was like, well, welcome to my first week.

809
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,160
It'd be like that, bro.

810
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:16,680
So I got hired on to be the associate kids director.

811
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:22,240
And basically my, my title was just to be over first through fifth grade and do the teaching

812
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,240
and all that good stuff.

813
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:32,280
And then my job title changed to elementary kids director, which was kind of the same thing.

814
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,200
And so I kind of had more people under me and was responsible for doing more things.

815
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:43,360
And then this year, my, my boss, Rachel, she, she was like, Hey, like it's time for me to

816
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:51,320
leave, which I mean, was a, like, it was, it was just man sad because like me and Rachel,

817
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,320
we did ministry together for two years and that's your friend and, you know, that's your

818
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,560
trusted like person.

819
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,800
And so now I'm the kids pastor.

820
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,000
So I'm, I run the whole ship.

821
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,800
I run nursery through fifth grade.

822
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,720
Congratulations on the promotion.

823
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:06,720
Thanks man.

824
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:10,160
I mean, it's, it's great, but I mean, it's definitely a big ship to run.

825
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:21,040
We've grown in the two years from 230 kids to all about 300, 320.

826
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,200
And we're on track to start averaging 350.

827
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,880
So that's a lot of growth, man.

828
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:31,360
And so, I mean, it's good thing, but it's like, bro, oh my gosh, it's a big ship.

829
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,280
It's good, but it's a lot to manage.

830
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,960
But if anybody can, I know you can.

831
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:41,600
But yeah, if there's anything that's good is you persevere through a lot, man.

832
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,520
You came through a lot to get to where your dreams are here.

833
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,840
And I wouldn't say you're in your dream role per se, but you know, it sure beats the heck

834
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,160
out of the supermarket industry, the grocery biz.

835
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,880
I love going to work every day, man.

836
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:03,160
To be honest, as much work it is and as much like responsibility as dude, I'm having a

837
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,160
lot of fun.

838
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,840
Easter, I mean, and we like, we haven't even shared with our listeners about Easter.

839
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,840
Nope.

840
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,000
But dude, Easter this year for me, that, that was a blast.

841
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,600
Like that was probably the most fun.

842
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:22,520
Like the work leading up to Easter was stressful, but like doing Easter this year was a blast

843
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,520
for me.

844
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,880
Like I had so much fun doing it.

845
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,360
It's definitely a highlight in my career.

846
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,360
It's crazy.

847
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:39,520
Like I've been doing kids ministry going on eight years now, like as staff and volunteer

848
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,000
just being around it.

849
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,760
Like, I'm like, dang, I've kind of got, you know, some years like under my belt.

850
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:47,760
Yeah, man.

851
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:48,760
You got some pips.

852
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:49,760
What can I say?

853
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:50,760
Yeah, man, but it's been fun.

854
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:51,760
It's been a ride, man.

855
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:57,840
Like, you know, ministry, what's crazy is, you know, when we talked about Micah's episode,

856
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,560
Micah always knew like what he wanted to be when he grew up.

857
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,320
And for me, I didn't, I thought I knew, but I didn't really know.

858
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,320
You know what I mean?

859
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,320
I had ideas.

860
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,320
Well, it kind of changed.

861
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,600
It kind of changed over time.

862
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:11,600
Yeah.

863
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,120
Like I think, I think it does for a lot of people as well.

864
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:19,320
Um, I mean, we, we kind of didn't talk about that this episode, but you know, the very

865
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,760
first thing was president of the United States.

866
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:27,920
I mean, you were like that for at least a few years there at the beginning of our friendship.

867
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:33,360
And then, um, it was really heavy on police officer there for a bit.

868
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,680
There was a little stint where it's like Marine than police officer.

869
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:37,680
Yeah.

870
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,560
But police officer and being a Texas Ranger was like my dream.

871
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,800
Um, and I, I mean, I thought it was my dream.

872
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,280
I just was like, Oh, this is cool.

873
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,080
Like I've always loved cop stuff and everything like that.

874
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:57,560
But like, I don't know, dude, like I'm thankful that I would make a horrible cop.

875
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,560
So I'm thankful.

876
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:04,360
Like once I started getting into, and then after like, I realized like, Hey, that's not

877
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,360
my dream.

878
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,760
And then there was this thing of like, well, what is like, what am I supposed to do?

879
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,320
Like, I don't even know what I'm supposed to do.

880
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,480
We're trying to figure it out.

881
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:13,640
All this stuff.

882
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:19,920
And, uh, I knew, you know, from a young age, a lot of people told me like, Hey, like,

883
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,840
you know, God's called you to be in full time ministry.

884
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,080
We see God's hand on your life.

885
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,920
I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.

886
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:32,400
But what's crazy is like that guy Austin on night crew, like he was the one that told

887
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,280
me he was like, Hey man, like you would make a really good youth pastor.

888
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,760
Like you need, it's like, I don't know what you're doing here.

889
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,120
And he's like, but you need to go be a pastor somewhere.

890
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,520
Cause like, he's like, you pastor us.

891
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,520
Like he was kind of the one that gave me that push.

892
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,760
Um, really.

893
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:57,080
And, um, what's, what's, I'm going to try to like, I guess keep my composure, but like

894
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:04,080
what's really cool is like, I'm, I'm getting to walk out a dream that was like my dad's,

895
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:09,520
um, cause my dad wanted to be in ministry and my dad like wanted to be a pastor.

896
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,840
Um, but for some reason I don't know what happened.

897
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,080
I don't know if it was live or what it was.

898
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,720
Like he just, you know, he went to Bible school and did a lot.

899
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:25,120
And like he, you know, he really wanted to be a pastor and, um, and so for like me to

900
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:31,080
kind of do that and you know, I don't know.

901
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,880
It's, I don't know how to describe it.

902
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:33,880
Yeah.

903
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:34,880
It's cool, man.

904
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,280
It's, uh, it's not just walking out, living your dream.

905
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,000
It's, uh, walking his out too.

906
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,120
I'm the Cody Rhodes of my family.

907
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,120
Just kidding.

908
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,120
There you go, man.

909
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,120
Just kidding.

910
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,120
Yeah.

911
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,480
I think, I think that really sums it up, man.

912
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,560
I think that's a, it's been a good episode.

913
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,920
It's been a good episode of the donut box podcast.

914
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,520
And what's funny is, and then I'll end with this, what's funny is Mike, I didn't know

915
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:04,080
this, but he didn't know that when his best friend was going to go into ministry that

916
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,720
he was going to get roped in kids ministry too.

917
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:09,200
Yeah, I didn't know that.

918
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,200
I didn't know that.

919
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:15,080
Listen, I thought my, uh, my volunteering at kids ministry days were over, but hey,

920
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,240
sometimes, sometimes there's a friend in need.

921
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:20,720
You gotta, gotta do what you gotta do.

922
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:25,160
And I don't know, man, but like to me that like, I know for him, he's like, I've just

923
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,160
helped my friend out.

924
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,160
But that like meant a lot to me.

925
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:32,000
Like that, I think that's what the most fun, there were elements of it that was fun, but

926
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,520
I think that was what was most fun was getting to do what I love, like with my best friend

927
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:38,520
there.

928
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,600
Like I think that's what like, I really enjoyed about that.

929
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,640
So yeah, I just had to throw that out.

930
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:49,120
I know we're going long, but I'll, I'll, I'll tell you, we, one of these episodes, we'll

931
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,920
talk about the whole Easter experience.

932
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,600
Um, cause it was, it was a good time.

933
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:55,800
It was a really good time.

934
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,600
But yeah, uh, trash can network at trash can network.

935
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,840
Go find us on all the socials and everything.

936
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:02,840
Come check us out on YouTube.

937
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,120
We got some great stuff coming out, man.

938
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,640
Dude, it's been a great episode by, I don't know.

939
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:09,960
I love the free flowing ones.

940
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,000
I love our regular ones, but I really love the free flowing ones.

941
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,560
Um, see, there were some things I didn't even know about, you know, your experience and

942
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:18,560
things like that.

943
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,600
That's why I always love, uh, these sort of formats.

944
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,880
But Jim, man, I'm ready to take this donut box out to the trash if you want.

945
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:26,880
It's doing all right, man.

946
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:55,360
Well, I'm Michael and I'm crazy and this is the donut box podcast.