1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,360 Well, I don't know it just simply baffles me. I was watching the channels in the hotel 2 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:14,740 right you're flipping past the channels and all of a sudden the real housewives of whatever 3 00:00:14,740 --> 00:00:20,640 the heck comes on and you're sitting here going like why the heck did these grown people 4 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,360 put themselves in these situations where it's gonna end badly like they just keep putting 5 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:30,160 themselves in these situations and I'm like man I know it makes for good TV and they get 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,280 paid off of that but I'm just like why as a grown person would you want to have to deal 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:39,920 with all that drama man you sell your dignity my man it's all for that money it's like it's 8 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,960 like why not I'll do something stupid on TV for money well they get together and they 9 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:50,000 always go on these trips and quote unquote half of these people they have businesses 10 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,800 but really they just sit around and then they go on these trips together and of course then 11 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,560 they're mad about the last big event that they were all at together and I'm like why don't 12 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,440 you just not be friends with these people because they're always like yeah so and so said this 13 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:08,520 to me at the art gallery and now I'm mad and then they want to play a game where it's like 14 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,600 oh yeah we're gonna play this game called who's on your wagon and we're gonna say who you 15 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,400 would throw off your wagon so let's go around and say that and they're just saying mean things 16 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,040 about each other I'm like why why did these grown people like act like middle schoolers 17 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:27,080 I don't get it I don't know I'll tell you what man why is Jersey Shore coming back I was 18 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:33,520 just like why why are we coming back with this wasn't that like 15 20 years ago now yeah 19 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:41,640 it was well anyways I'm Chris and I'm like a and this is the Donut Box podcast well man 20 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,520 it's a it's a great week it's going great we actually got to see each other for a little 21 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:52,320 bit man got to hang out down in the good old south Texas well not south Texas I guess it's 22 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:57,880 central I don't know is it central Texas or south Texas central Texas it's deep in the 23 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,880 heart of Texas if you ask people around here I'll tell you that much that's what they like 24 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:09,320 to say and I'm just like okay but yeah man it's it was nice the weather was actually 25 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:17,600 nice which is rare around here this time of year so you know counter blessings there yeah 26 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:22,520 it's crazy man well welcome to the Donut Box podcast we're so happy that all of you guys 27 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:29,040 are here welcome welcome I hope you guys have had a great start to your April man it's already 28 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,080 April and this year is like already flying by next thing you know it's going to be July 29 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,760 in like three months and I'm like man 2024 has got somewhere to go I'll tell you that 30 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:42,840 yeah and it's been going it's been going by way too fast man but you know excited for 31 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:48,600 some things happening in 2024 and you know what else is happening in 2024 a lot of things 32 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:54,240 are being talked about in 2024 and you know Chris and I we've been kind of playing around 33 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:59,960 with this free flow idea where basically we don't have the normal structure that we have 34 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:05,800 for the Donut Box podcast and this week we decided to do the same thing except we decided 35 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:11,960 to talk about where we're at in our careers and how we got there you know because each 36 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:18,240 person has a story you ask anybody about their career and how they got there and man is some 37 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:24,000 is some twists and turns but you know what as millennials it's a little different like 38 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,680 even I talked to the generations before me and their struggles were not the same as our 39 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:36,440 struggles and so I don't know figured be kind of fun to talk about kind of the crazy journey 40 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:42,360 it takes in the world of jobs because everybody's pretty much got to have one right and I know 41 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,680 we both had some crazy experiences. 42 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:50,000 It's true well Micah has always wanted to be one thing ever since ever since I've known 43 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:55,200 them so I'm going to let you just open up about your story I'm going to let you go ahead 44 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:00,360 and blaze that trail tell what you want to tell I mean I'll ask you some questions but 45 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,840 the spotlight is yours my friend. 46 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:08,400 Yeah man alright so we'll start like Chris said when I was very very young actually 47 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:16,560 at the age of four just about to turn five my parents my father was in the military and 48 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:23,160 so we went over to Germany we got stationed over there and one of the biggest things 49 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:28,440 that I remember about Germany is we would go to Frankfurt Airport and now this was pre 50 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:33,360 9-11 and I'm I don't know if you could do it now of course I haven't been back to Germany 51 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:38,640 since but there used to be this observation deck where you would be able to you know see 52 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:43,320 I knew it was outdoors so think about it you can walk through the terminal next to all 53 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,720 the gates with all the planes then you walk out there and there was a little playground 54 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:52,920 for kids but it was pretty much as glass paneled and you can just see everything that's going 55 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:59,840 on and the big thing at the time was the double decker 747s right like that was the big icons 56 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:05,120 I mean they were double-decker planes it's pretty that's pretty crazy and so in fact 57 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,520 I've got a tattoo of that same plane on my arm because that was one of the first planes 58 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,520 I remember seeing and made me fall in love with it because this observation deck was 59 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:19,040 so close you could see in the cockpit you could see what the guys were doing right and 60 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,880 what a what a big mighty machine and it's like these guys get to go and fly it every 61 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:29,440 day and that's their job you know they get paid to do that what that sounds fun fun 62 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:35,080 as ever right and so that's what I wanted to do that's what I wanted to do ever since 63 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:41,480 a really young age you know and Chris and I even talked about it you know fast forward 64 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:47,880 a few years and we moved to Augusta where I've met Chris and everything like that and one 65 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:55,000 of my first birthday parties was at Daniel Field there in town and it was flying planes 66 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:00,040 actually I used to take flight lessons out there and and I was a really different time 67 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:05,880 back then flight lessons actually weren't very expensive back then I remember it being 68 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:11,200 about seventy five dollars a lesson which I don't I don't know would you consider Chris 69 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:17,920 two thousand and four two thousand and five seventy five dollars every two weeks incredibly 70 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:23,720 expensive I don't think I think it's comparable to what it would be now I think I don't think 71 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:29,280 it's super expensive for every two weeks definitely a lot to drop on some lessons but I mean you 72 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:34,040 got to think I don't know how much my parents paid for piano lessons but to put your kid 73 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,600 in anything you know it's going to cost you some money you know nowadays just to give you 74 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:45,480 a ballpark figured nowadays it's about two hundred dollars an hour to take a flight lesson 75 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,320 so it's it's quite a bit more but I mean of course there was inflation and all that good 76 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:54,400 jazz but back in the day it was seventy five dollars a lesson and I would take lessons 77 00:06:54,400 --> 00:07:02,520 once every two weeks and then at certain times of my life it became and actually I only took 78 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:10,760 lessons for about eight months total so it wasn't incredibly long but it kind of scaled 79 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,840 back to like once a month at some times then once every two weeks it kind of just depended 80 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:22,080 on where the or my parents finances were I guess well let me ask you this question when 81 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,280 did they ever tell you okay this is going to be the last flight lesson or did it just 82 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:31,800 stop or did they ever have a conversation with you about why no more flight lessons just 83 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:38,800 kind of unpack all that yeah so why we stopped was actually it was actually told because 84 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:44,920 it wasn't doing very well in school so I had really bad grades and pretty much I was told 85 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:50,400 that you know because you had bad grades you're going to stop realistically that's not what 86 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,200 was going on in my family just was having financial issues at the time and they just 87 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,320 use that as a bargaining chip to try to get me to get better grades but they always use 88 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,560 that though they always use hey you're not doing good in school so we're going to take 89 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:08,160 this away it was always that sort of thing it was the cable TV right in what's funny 90 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:13,160 is now that I'm an adult I see that that coincided with the football season right so when football 91 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,520 season was over every February right after the Super Bowl it's like okay cable's getting 92 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,840 taken away and it's because you have bad grades right but you know what ended up happening 93 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:29,520 fast forward a few years later I get into middle school and well let's go back one more 94 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:36,160 thing before we fast forward all the way to that point so I stopped flying lessons and 95 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,400 I never resumed them as a child so it was a very it was a stint of about six to eight 96 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:45,760 months but in that six to eight months I did have that birthday party where a few kids 97 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,320 came and Chris got to fly the plane while he was there too which was a pretty crazy 98 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:56,040 experience for kids I'm you know I can only imagine that was pretty nuts yeah it was like 99 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:02,720 a little Cessna plane I wasn't no it wasn't huge yeah it was a little like yeah little 100 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,560 prop plane and I think I mean we took like 20 minute rides around town and the only thing 101 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:12,120 I really remember about those lessons man is I wasn't old enough to do anything right 102 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:19,160 like that was the main problem was okay I knew how to fly got the basics down everything 103 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:26,480 like that but in order to take any sort of exam in order to pass your private pilot certification 104 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:33,320 you have to be 16 or older so I was eight or nine so it was like okay that's a great 105 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:38,080 start but we really can't do anything for another eight nine years right you know seven 106 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:45,360 eight years and so what ended up happening there for a while was my flight and started 107 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,640 to be like all right what do you want to do today and there was a little airport that 108 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,360 was over in South Carolina because where we were at was really close to South Carolina 109 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:58,040 it was just right over the river and so I would say it was really cool to me because 110 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:03,040 it was a neighborhood that was surrounded or that surrounded a runway right it's an 111 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:08,320 airport community so basically the whole neighborhood is centered around a little airport and so 112 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,320 but they would allow you to come and fly in there as long as you would you know make your 113 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:19,240 normal radio calls to them and so it's like man let's go over to I don't remember what 114 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,360 it was like it was like twin oaks or something like that it's like let's go over there for 115 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,880 the day and so pretty much that's what we would do is we would go over there do touch 116 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,680 and goes over there I would be like wow these houses are big and then we would go we would 117 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:36,600 go back an hour flight lesson an hour is nothing when you're when you're flying by the way 118 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,200 like because of everything that you have to do just landing and taking off an hour is 119 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,200 only like two or three landing and take off even if you're in the pattern right even if 120 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:50,360 you're just going around in circles and just landing and taking off so you practice landing 121 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:55,240 like did you get it all to where you could land and take off all by yourself or was where 122 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:00,840 they still helping no I got to where I was doing it by myself it was to the point where 123 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:07,400 like my instructor would bring a newspaper and be like do whatever you want pretty much 124 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:13,360 like I mean it was it was down pat like he would tell me all the time you know I wish 125 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,520 you were of age because you could totally take the test right now the oral exam and 126 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,640 because I had been through the ground school and everything and so it was I don't know 127 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:28,840 man I'll tell you this much kids at that age I remember him telling my folks really distinctly 128 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:35,000 to he was like I love teaching kids this age eight nine years old because he's like they're 129 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:40,200 fearless he's like you tell him to crank it 40 degrees they're gonna crank it 40 degrees 130 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:47,160 you know adults they're so timid with everything kids are not timid and he he would just pump 131 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,560 me up all the time in fact that was one of the main problems I had right towards the 132 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:57,160 end I had like two lessons at the end that first instructor got a job somewhere else 133 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,520 I had a couple of lessons towards the end where it was a new instructor and he was not 134 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,920 like that like he was very rigid he was very by the book he wouldn't let me do whatever 135 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,880 I wanted to do pretty much like it wasn't get there and okay what do you want to do 136 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:15,280 today it's like okay we need to practice our steep turns and you remember Chris how you 137 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,240 were talking about in the elementary school you would get kind of bored with the lessons 138 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:25,880 that happens same thing it's like bro we did steep turns and figure eight snow is crap last 139 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:31,560 week like I don't want to do this again and it's like did I not do a good enough job and 140 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:36,240 he's like oh no you did great I think we just you know need to keep practicing and I'm just 141 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:41,000 like bro this is so boring like I want to do more I want to do spins and stuff right 142 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:48,560 like I want to do some I want to do some crazy fun stuff and but you know then it stopped 143 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:56,000 anyways fast forward middle school wise you know I still I still wanted to really really 144 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:02,360 big like crossed over from elementary to middle school and you know a lot of things change 145 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,880 but I think middle school was the time that I started a lot of people wanted me to go 146 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:12,040 to college and I was talking about college in theory and I really liked the idea mainly 147 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,960 for athletics but I think middle school was the time where it's like man I don't know 148 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,600 if I want to go to college like I started seeing that there was a pathway that I didn't 149 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:27,160 potentially have to go to college to be a pilot what was it about college that made 150 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:33,840 you not want to go I don't know man it just it just didn't peak my interest like it just 151 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:38,960 school has never been something that I thoroughly enjoy some people absolutely enjoy it and 152 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:45,880 that's fantastic I think for me a lot of the idea of school and a lot of the idea of tests 153 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:51,040 and the way that they conduct it's not really indicative you can be very book smart and do 154 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,520 great in school you can be smart in other ways and do terrible in school and the only 155 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:02,520 benchmark that they have is are you book smart or not and the thing is it's sure you can 156 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:08,040 know that knowledge but I feel like for me I'm way more of a hands-on learner and so 157 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:13,480 school is just not a very good thing like science class was okay but it's because there's more 158 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,200 hands-on things but what did I not like about that you have to write reports and all this 159 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:22,440 other crap with it I mean that's just life you have to do some of those things but I 160 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:27,840 just didn't like the format and I didn't like I got way too many bad grades that I'm sitting 161 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:35,280 here going but I understand the material just because you made a test and you made you know 162 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:40,880 math in particular and you made it to the point where you were trying to trick kids 163 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,400 and it's and it's like well if you knew the material you'd be able to see the trick in 164 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,720 the trick question and things like that but that's not the point if it wasn't a trick 165 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:54,320 did I get the entire thing right well yeah okay so you're telling me I don't know what 166 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,920 I'm talking about even though you're the one that tried to trip me up with this I kind 167 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:03,640 of stand what they're trying to do that stuff irks me do I understand the material or not 168 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,760 not do I understand your tricks on top of the material but you have to also think to 169 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,360 at middle school you don't know what college is like and so you probably were thinking 170 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:17,720 hey college is just like high school when in reality it's not so college is a lot different 171 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,440 than high school so you're probably going into it like man I hate high school so I'm 172 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,920 going to hate college too which I'm not I'm not judging you I'm not saying right or wrong 173 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:30,600 I'm just trying to kind of give our listeners perspective right no absolutely but I did 174 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:36,000 know this I did know in middle school and especially high school that my grades were 175 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,440 going to start to matter so middle school not so much right but high school once you 176 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,920 cross over into high school that's when everything matters that's where your grade point average 177 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:50,560 is kept and you know you have four years to make colleges want you if that's the case 178 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:55,160 but not just that you know I'm sitting here thinking if I don't go to college I need to 179 00:15:55,160 --> 00:16:02,560 make sure my GPA is fantastic because you know with somebody hire a even a flight instructor 180 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:09,280 who has a very low high school GPA who graduated high school but then there's a college grad 181 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:14,520 out there who has better grade you know especially as an initial job that's the way you have 182 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,200 to think about it but you know careers and things changed so much that's how we were 183 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,880 conditioned to think but then when we got to the job and you know in the real world 184 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:29,480 it's actually not like that but we'll talk about that in a bit but that was when I kind 185 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:34,320 of felt it shifting and then high school wise it was the same thing they try to push me 186 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:39,920 into going to a Georgia high school or Georgia college I was like nah man I really don't want 187 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:46,000 to do that and I saw the pathway of you know what I can just do a flight school get the 188 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,800 hours that I need and I can go fly it's about the experience not about the college. 189 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:57,440 Oh high school guidance counselors hate that boy they hate that because their whole job 190 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,560 is to get you to go to college like that is their whole job they hate that. 191 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:06,240 That's the whole thing and understandably so again this is where our education system 192 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:11,760 is flawed in the United States why is that it's because the curriculum is focused on 193 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:16,000 trying to get you to college because that's the numbers that they look at they look at 194 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,160 test scores and they look at how many kids are going to college from your school and 195 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:25,440 that's how funding is allocated and so they want more kids to go to college because that 196 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,880 means my high school is going to get more and I can pump it up in the community because 197 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,200 obviously you can charge people more taxes if your schools are great right so it's a 198 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:42,120 whole it's a that's a whole another podcast right there but what I will say is that's 199 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:47,880 where a lot of contention came from between me and my parents they wanted me to go to 200 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:56,120 college really bad and I did not want to I did not want to and so fast forward to graduating 201 00:17:56,120 --> 00:18:02,400 from high school we moved out to Texas my senior year so I spent my last senior year 202 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:13,920 and so at this point I we had just moved to to love it and I had found a flight school 203 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:21,080 I graduated from high school the only flight school in town I go there and I take a lesson 204 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,880 on my own dime because at this point I was working boot corral right and so I was making 205 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:33,360 money as a salesman and so I took a lesson on my own my father got pissed he got so mad 206 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:37,920 he's like you know what this is essentially your college you need to be you know I need 207 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:43,880 to pay for this I need to pay for this I waited for him to pay for it it never came and then 208 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:50,440 it never happened at that point he never he never wanted he never went to pay for it fast 209 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,840 forward a little bit I get a lot of pressure because I'm still living in their house at 210 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,800 this time I keep taking lessons on the side and you're paying for all of it right when 211 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,160 I and I was paying for it I was also going to ground school all over again because you 212 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,760 got to think I did all this stuff when I was eight nine years old that doesn't count anymore 213 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:10,480 like there's a certain there's a certain amount of time if you haven't flown in between the 214 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,320 FAA don't count that time like they'll count it as just like basic hours but the complex 215 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:20,480 different things that I did like I did a you know I did a solo at one point they they 216 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:27,120 wouldn't let any of that happen so it's like okay essentially I had to start from scratch 217 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:34,880 for the most part and so I'm going through this and I remember the biggest fight that 218 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:41,680 we had is I paid for ground school again and ground school was $400 but it's an eight week 219 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,200 course which is actually pretty cheap if you think about it's an eight week course and 220 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:51,600 it's very in depth like it's very in depth it's it is very cheap you know I pay I pay 221 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:58,880 the $400 and I remember he was just like you know if you just want to piss your life away 222 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,880 you can and whatever and I'm just like what are you talking about like I'm going for what 223 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,840 I'm what I want to do like I thought this is what we've always talked about because he 224 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,840 was always pretty supportive about you know me flying and things like that and but he 225 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:18,440 was upset that I wasn't going to college at the same time and so to play Kate because 226 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:24,880 of course I'm living with him I start going to South Plains I remember that and you hated 227 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:30,680 it you hated it I could not stand South Plains College I couldn't stand it you just were 228 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,720 like I don't know I'd be like how's classes and you you just seem like you were in a bad 229 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:41,720 mood and you were pissed about it but I didn't know that background so it makes sense now 230 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:47,880 like hearing you talk about it why you were upset because the fact that your parental 231 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,200 paternal unit was on your case about it and saying that you were you know peeing your 232 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:57,400 life away and all that good stuff when in reality you just weren't doing it his way and that's 233 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:03,080 what he was mad about exactly well and the other part about it too was was was he paying 234 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:08,840 for South Plains no I paid that with bootcrow money I had to pay for that now granted South 235 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,640 Plains was not that much that's why it wasn't a big deal at the time it was like $1,100 236 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:18,560 for the semester it really wasn't that much money for college so and I was getting all 237 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:24,120 my basics right and so I was like well I'll just get this degree and whatever in fact 238 00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:30,400 it's like what he wanted me to do he wanted me to go through South Plains get my get my 239 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,680 community college what is that called associates degree there you go he wanted me to get my 240 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:40,680 associates then he wanted me to go over to tech for a year and then potentially apply 241 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,960 for the Air Force Academy because he heard that that's an easier way to get into it 242 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,640 than going through high school wise because he always wanted me to go to the Air Force 243 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,480 Academy to go to the fight program through there and I didn't want to go to the Air Force 244 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:58,440 that was a whole thing too I did not want to go to the Air Force the only reason that 245 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:04,280 that was ever an entertainment is you know of course if you go through the Air Force 246 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:09,560 yeah you're set up for forever as a pilot like you never not have a job I mean you're 247 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:15,200 set up but the thing is I don't want to get shot at I don't want to be in war zones I 248 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:20,280 don't want any of that like I like I like leisure flying that's what I like to do I didn't 249 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,880 want to be any apart of that and you know I even had to take the as fab or whatever the 250 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:34,800 Air Force one was like I was pushed into doing that and it was I would probably have to take 251 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,680 it again because I only scored high enough to be a navigator so I wouldn't even have 252 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:44,000 scored high enough to be a pilot that was the other part about it and so it was just 253 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:49,120 it was a whole big thing anyways I start going to South Plains College you know I'm sitting 254 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:54,800 here like what am I doing with my life you know all this money I could be I could be 255 00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:00,440 out there with you know having hours because I was working and going to college so I didn't 256 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:05,000 really have time to go fly like at that point I didn't know by the way I had a really toxic 257 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,400 girlfriend too at the time yeah there was a lot of factors at that time that we're just 258 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:15,280 making everything bad you know you had a toxic girlfriend your paternal unit was forcing you 259 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:20,760 to do this your bet your best friend was kind of on the outs I mean it it was all just a 260 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:25,160 bad it was just a bad time of life so I can I can kind of see why you were a little frustrated 261 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:31,600 yeah it was it was a whole it was a whole thing anyways fast forward so we keep going 262 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:42,520 and I break up with that toxic ex Chris and I were no longer friends for a little bit 263 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:49,120 and I meet my now wife and at this point I was just working bootcrow I was just working 264 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:53,760 bootcrow was not taking flight lessons the first time or bootcrow the second bootcrow 265 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:59,280 the second time this is bootcrow the second time so I quit bootcrow once and then I came 266 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,800 back they begged me to come back like they were like we can sign paperwork right now 267 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,520 and I was working this other job I needed to work in two jobs for a while and then bootcrow 268 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:13,920 was more money so I just went back over there but I met my wife at bootcrow and so I meet 269 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:19,560 her and she was only going to be there for a few months so she goes back down to where 270 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:28,640 I'm living right now and you know at that time what made me stop flying wasn't just 271 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:34,400 that but when I was dating that gal beforehand I couldn't really fly then because all my 272 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:41,560 money was tied up with her so then what happens after we broke up that flight school closed 273 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,080 then there was no flight school in Lubbock so there was nowhere to go fly so the whole 274 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:54,600 reason that I was too like when when my wife came back here I said you know what I'm going 275 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,840 to go back with her because it's a major area there's plenty of flight schools down there 276 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,160 that was part of the reason I came down here too was like you know what I'm going to I'm 277 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:10,920 going to go to flight school I even so fast forward my parental units come down to see 278 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:17,440 these flight schools and I'm skipping a whole part of my life but this is because of time 279 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,840 or do you think I should just make this whole podcast about this freaking story just make 280 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,560 it all about the story man we can do we can do my part we'll do my part part two we'll 281 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,120 do that another episode but but just tell a full story I meet my wife and all that good 282 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:39,440 jazz when I met my wife the plan was and this was another conjured up plan there was a school 283 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:46,560 that was nearby my grandparents my my father's parents it was in Longview Texas in Longview 284 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,200 Texas or out on the freaking border of Louisiana it might as well be Louisiana. 285 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:58,240 Latterno Christian something something a really small private Christian school and I mean to 286 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:05,720 the point where I took a tour all this stuff and my mother was saying oh yeah this is where 287 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,360 you're going to meet your future wife and blah blah blah blah blah like God told me 288 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:15,280 and I'm like yeah okay we'll see about all that and I didn't end up going there because 289 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,280 we get all the way into it like I'm talking we would did parents weekend everything and 290 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:24,200 we get there I get my D card printed and we get into the financial aid office and they 291 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:29,480 slap that piece of paper down and you know how much it said on there for a semester for 292 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:37,800 the first semester 40 grand now 64,500 dollars and I you know my father just about choked 293 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:43,040 I don't know why I guess none of us looked at the tuition I thought that we had an understanding 294 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:50,440 but you know what ended up happening so I had like bought a kayak with my buddy like 295 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,880 beforehand and like all this other stuff my father told me you have to sell everything 296 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,360 like if if you're going to go here you have to put skin in the game so you have to sell 297 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:02,360 everything and that included my bed. 298 00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:11,440 Let's just pause for a right second now what Micah is leaving out is the fact that he was 299 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,040 under the impression or had the thought that he had a college fund right his parental units 300 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:21,920 told him that he had a college fund and they have been setting money aside for him well 301 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,480 they blew that college fund. 302 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,320 Yeah apparently that's my that's my little insert that's why you had to sell everything 303 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:28,560 because they didn't have any money. 304 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,440 Yeah I didn't have didn't have that and so it was like in order for us to make this happen 305 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,680 like we're you're gonna have to sell everything and so that included my bed like I remember 306 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:44,240 we had a whole yard sale and you remember those adjustable beds that we had Chris yeah 307 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,920 both the medical bed medical beds yeah they sold the pair of those for a thousand bucks 308 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,360 and I remember the yard sale it was like it was not nearly enough right I mean you're 309 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:59,640 talking about sixty some odd thousand dollars right there's no way that you can raise that 310 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:07,720 off of a freaking yard sale and so we kind of stalled and stalled and so the the university 311 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,440 called and was like yeah we need that payment and it was like yeah we're gonna have to defer 312 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:16,840 to the next semester and I mean they knew what that meant bro they knew what that meant 313 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:22,200 I remember they they didn't even call us the next semester they just withdrew me like they 314 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:29,320 didn't even they didn't even freaking call and so that ended up happening and so fast 315 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:35,440 forward meet my wife right and then it's like okay we're gonna go down to at the time it 316 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,480 was San Marcos Texas and there's a few flight schools in the area I toured them and what 317 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:46,200 else is in San Marcos Texas Texas State University right and that's where my wife was going so 318 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,240 I was like heck yeah I'll just go to Texas State and I'll fly on the side there was even 319 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,680 a extension service Texas State Aviation to where you can go to Texas State and get your 320 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,920 and it was pretty affordable actually since I was in state every and it was on public 321 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:06,120 university right the only thing was they didn't have any degrees that were tailored specifically 322 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:11,560 for aviation and that was the whole point of contention between me and my me and my father 323 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:16,400 with that deal was I'm not gonna pay for this because it's stupid because you would have 324 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,160 to get a business degree or something else because that was the whole thing it was like 325 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:25,240 I'll get a business degree or they have a great business school or a marketing degree 326 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:32,200 or something universal and here was my here was my defense to that the aviation industry 327 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,920 and I've been studying this since I was five years old because I've generally had a lot 328 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:42,680 of access to the internet it has its ebbs and flows it always has and when the getting's 329 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,480 good the getting's good and when it's not it's not and the thing is I've worked for 330 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:53,600 airports I've worked for airlines I've worked as a fueler I've done these things and at 331 00:29:53,600 --> 00:30:02,880 that point in my life I'm going bro I need a backup plan in life if if the economy tanks 332 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,280 and all the airlines you know every pilot's gonna be out on their keyster and it doesn't 333 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,320 matter how good of a pilot you are there's not enough to go around and it's kind of what 334 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,360 I was talking about before you know who gets the cream of the crop is the Air Force guys 335 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,200 is the guys with a lot of experience things like that right those are the guys that get 336 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:27,320 picked up the rest of them I mean the the big recession that happened 2008 there was 337 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,720 guys that went from flying and had been flying for 20 years to working at McDonald's because 338 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:37,520 they had no backup plan so it's like I studied that and was like I'm not going to be one 339 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,640 of those guys like I'm not going to be naive because my father's whole perspective was 340 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,600 well if you're a good enough pilot like you'll always have a job and it's like yeah I don't 341 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,160 buy that for a second you're at the industry's mercy it's it's not anything that you can 342 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:57,320 do and so my that was and I mean I remember sitting there and we had a whole heated discussion 343 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,240 my future wife was sitting there at the table too and I had printed out all the different 344 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:08,160 degree programs that I can do and do the aviation program I can't buy flying on the side and 345 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,680 it's all one lump sum of money and by the end of it he told me the same thing I'm not 346 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,960 going to pay for you to piss your life away it was the same thing he told me like not 347 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,720 going to do it so just so I'm so I'm clear you were in favor of you still wanted to go 348 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:27,440 to Texas State get your degree in something else besides aviation while still doing aviation 349 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,960 on the side and you were like hey I might get my degree in let's just use finance for example 350 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,120 you're like hey I'm going to get a finance degree but still do aviation but I still want 351 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,360 to go to school and stuff pretty much yeah I was still going to play Kate that whole 352 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,720 side because at this point I'm still under the impression that they're going to pay for 353 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:50,360 it so it's like sure if that's the stipulation sure I'll go to college I even found a better 354 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:56,520 solution think about that I found that solution I found the solution where it's college and 355 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:03,520 flying all in one for a cheap price in state and the answer was still no because it's not 356 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,800 aviation specific as a degree. 357 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:11,840 Yeah well what's crazy is really reality you didn't really know this until later on down 358 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,560 the road but they weren't going to pay for any of it so I mean they weren't going to 359 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:22,640 pay for any of it so here's what ended up happening so fast forward some more time and 360 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:29,640 at this point my my parents we had been you know up and down for a while and I was I was 361 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:37,640 already kind of considering this was like 2016 and I was 23-24 I think at the time right 362 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:45,320 no no 2021-22 something like that and I was already starting to think about it like man 363 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,640 I don't know if I want to associate with them anymore because of some of the things that 364 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,800 have been happening and you know some of these lies that have been happening and what ended 365 00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:03,880 up happening from there I get a call and mind you this is this was from their end my father 366 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:10,400 calls me and he says I want to pay for your flight school like I've got some extra money 367 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,200 I got some you know some means that we can do it I want you to find the flight school 368 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,000 like we'll talk about it and we'll go with it and he was just talking about the flight 369 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,520 school not college too and I'm sitting here going okay well you know I'm still open to 370 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:32,320 the college option right and it's like no no no just the flight school and so I found 371 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:38,800 a flight school and he was like and again the whole answer was like no not going to 372 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,720 do it I hear from my family he's telling everybody else no I'm not going to pay for 373 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,240 your school he needs to go through the school of hard knocks and he needs to know what it's 374 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,680 like to go through it rough but on the other end he's telling me like I'm going to pay 375 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,280 for it find the school and what would end up happening is he's just like no no this 376 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,080 school is sketchy that's the whole thing that would happen it's like no no this school is 377 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,160 just this is not reputable like it's not a reputable school I can tell like it's just 378 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,960 not reputable and it's it's like what's not reputable about it and it's like well and 379 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,560 then it became there's no college associated to it the ones you were showing me before 380 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,760 the college was associated with it and it's like I thought that's not what we wanted though 381 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,040 I thought that's what you were saying we don't want so I found this other flight school because 382 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:26,680 he'd listen don't you know him don't show him something twice I couldn't take him back 383 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,920 to Texas State that wouldn't have worked so the deal is I had to find somewhere else 384 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:40,640 so I found another place and I made up my mind though I made up my mind I said I this time 385 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,960 whether he pays for it or not I need to do something with my life I got to jump I like 386 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:50,200 this flight school I'm gonna start regardless like I'll find the money I'll find the money 387 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:57,120 and same thing he's like oh no this is jank this is stupid and so I said all right fine 388 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:02,800 so I started to flight school I scraped up the cash the only problem was this school 389 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:08,440 was geared towards getting you to be a commercial pilot like that's the whole premise and they 390 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,680 required you to take at least three hours of flying a week which was seven hundred dollars 391 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,480 a week that's how much it was so and that's to do the bare minimum if you fall below that 392 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,960 like you like they kick you out of school pretty much so I was having to pay seven hundred 393 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:29,360 dollars a week well at the time I had to take a night job because obviously I'm flying during 394 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:37,680 the day and when you're not flying you're in a classroom so I took a night job at Amazon 395 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:44,160 stalking shelves and doing things like that for 12 hours overnight and I think we've talked 396 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,400 about that before it was a terrible job and I was doing that while I was flying but I 397 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,880 was spending it seven hundred dollars a week plus rent everything else bro it did not last 398 00:35:53,880 --> 00:36:00,640 long I racked up a lot of debt about ten thousand dollars actually worth of debt in a very short 399 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:07,780 amount of time and so it was it was really and I had to I had to stop because something 400 00:36:07,780 --> 00:36:13,080 else that was bad to the flight school the instructor that I had he was a former Marine 401 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:19,000 and he was a dick like he was not a nice guy at all and so he was very much like what are 402 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,680 you some kind of little girl like all this other stuff like he would he would talk to 403 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,280 you like that while you're flying and that is not the environment you want to be in especially 404 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:34,400 when you're flying a flying machine and you're learning how to do it and also they they just 405 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,440 assume that I knew what I was doing because I used to do it when I was like eight or nine 406 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,120 bombing in my twenties now you know like it's different you need to show me again it was 407 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:50,680 a whole it was a bad situation I was paying seven hundred dollars a week for it and so 408 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:58,320 it didn't last long and I ended up getting out of it well at my at my final hour right 409 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:05,360 it's like I I you know talk to my folks and this time they were serious and this time 410 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:11,440 they were real serious about about paying for flight school and everything and so I was 411 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,520 like okay and this time my father said you know what I found I even found a flight school 412 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,800 for you like check this place out and guess what flight school it was it was the flight 413 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:27,480 school I was already going to and he was like he was like yeah I think this one's legit 414 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,320 everything and I said great I've been going to that one for about four months now but 415 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,520 you had showed him that one before right I did and he said that it was jankin stupid 416 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:44,760 and like and wasn't reputable and all that other good jazz and so ended up I we ended 417 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,280 up talking with two people because there was a college that was attached to it I was just 418 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,880 doing the flight program I wasn't doing the because I couldn't afford the college part 419 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:59,160 I can only afford the flying part and so we were going to do both so I had the college 420 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,240 person on the line and I also had the the head of the school on the line very nice guy like 421 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:11,200 very nice guy very helpful my father was an ass like he embarrassed a crap out of me like 422 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,360 I don't think I've ever been more embarrassed in my entire life he went through there and 423 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,640 he he basically told them that they weren't reputable and that they were con men and tell 424 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,960 me how you're not con men like tell me how you're not and like went through this whole 425 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:31,520 freaking thing man and I had to go back I had to go back and fly there and guess who guess 426 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,440 who didn't pay guess who didn't pay yeah they didn't they didn't end up paying man and so 427 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,440 again because it wasn't reputable and all this other crap but meanwhile again they're 428 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,520 telling everybody so did you get stuck with the bill oh I got stuck with the bill it took 429 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,120 me a while I had to pay that $10,000 worth of debt off tell you that much pretty much 430 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:54,800 what ended up happening after that is there was one other time and the last time really 431 00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:00,760 really hurt I had kind of smoothed out you know I had gotten out of fight school I had 432 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:06,440 a couple jobs at the time and I was managing my debt and I was you know just just working 433 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,000 you know sometimes you get into a point in life man and I know you've been there before 434 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,960 where you're just like man this is my time to grind I guess this is the time to work 435 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,960 this is the time to I don't know what that was supposed to be teaching me but we'll figure 436 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,280 it out and we'll get out of this debt and so that was the main focus was just work work 437 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:30,640 work and get out of this debt and so I got a call and at this point I had a friend who 438 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:38,240 was working for my dad and that'll come into the equation here in a minute but my father 439 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:45,160 calls again he says hey so we want to try this fight school thing again he said he came 440 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:52,360 into into some money and you know it's like and this time it was like $50,000 $60,000 441 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,480 and like we can we can like pay for the whole thing right and I was like okay well maybe 442 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:03,000 this is maybe this is it right like you know they've never talked like this before and 443 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,760 then what ends up happening is and that was the whole conversation and it was to the previous 444 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,800 flight school they're like you know what maybe we can talk to the previous flight school 445 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:17,720 I really liked them whatever and then I get a call from this friend of mine who was working 446 00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:22,480 for for the guy at the time and what does he tell me he goes dude your dad just bought 447 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,000 a Porsche isn't that so awesome and I was like what are you talking about and he's like dude 448 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:33,400 he bought a Porsche like he bought a Porsche isn't that like he didn't tell you and I was 449 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,160 like no he didn't tell me and this was the the day after he told me about the fight school 450 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:42,600 deal and so I'm going I knew bro I already knew I was like there there went my flight 451 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:48,960 school that Porsche was my flight school and sure enough man he was like yeah well we just 452 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,640 we just can't do that anymore like we can't really afford to do that anymore from how 453 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,720 quick that phone call where he said hey I'm gonna play pay for your sorry pay for your 454 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:04,960 flight school to you find out that he has a he has a Porsche cuz I mean just just just 455 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:10,400 playing devil's advocate maybe you're like oh maybe they can afford both they got some 456 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,760 money and I don't know walk us through that less than 24 hours the fact that he didn't 457 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:22,440 call me first I know that guy that guy would have been so excited and especially you know 458 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:28,080 I'm a son I'm his only son by the way and a lot of times what would happen if he if 459 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,760 he's excited about anything heck when he kicked my mom out he was excited about his new girlfriend 460 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:39,760 called me up too so I tell you this much he calls you when he's excited about stuff the 461 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:45,320 fact that that man didn't call me about that Porsche but everybody else knew that was my 462 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,480 fight school I already knew I was like I he didn't even have to tell me I already knew 463 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:57,360 you can feel it you can feel it in the moment I called him to how awkward he was I knew 464 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,960 it's like he wasn't excited on the phone he was he was awkward he knew what he knew I 465 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:07,400 knew so have we gotten to the part where you went to the shady flight school or is that 466 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,240 coming up with shady flight school well is it there one that you were like you you went 467 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:16,880 to the flight school and then you just showed up one day and they weren't that was basically 468 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,840 like a ditch town thing or am I making that up no so that did happen that didn't happen 469 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:27,400 to me though that happened to a bunch of other people oh okay well never mind so what it does 470 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,760 it does play into that and I'll just break it down for those of you who don't know about 471 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,360 taking flying lessons and things like that it's not like even if it's attached to a college 472 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:42,600 financing is very very weird when it comes to doing that you have to basically pay for 473 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:49,400 it out of pocket or private loans because used to the feds and fast food and all those folks 474 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:56,240 where you can get student loans from they used to fund flight schools to until one day they 475 00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:01,280 had a school that basically did what Chris was talking about they enrolled about 60 476 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:06,440 people and all of them had prepaid with student loans and things like that or even grants and 477 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:12,880 things the school was fake so they skip town with millions of dollars of federal money and after 478 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:18,640 that they're like okay well it's too easy for those for flight schools to be a con school for us 479 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,600 to send our money over there so we're not going to fund them anymore so now basically the only 480 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:29,520 thing that you can do to fund flight school which is expensive is to get a private loan or a GI 481 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,880 bill and so it's like if you're if you're in the military and you have the GI bill that's great 482 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:40,440 it'll pay for it same thing if you know but other than that you basically have to get a private 483 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,640 loan or have lots of money to be able to do it. So then after after all that right there was no 484 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:50,560 more talk about paying for school no more talk about any of that right? No that didn't that 485 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:55,320 didn't happen after that there was no more talk after the porch happened there was no more talk 486 00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:01,160 about that in fact they bought a really really big house it was like a six bedroom there was 487 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:08,000 three stories it was freaking massive they went on a freaking spending spree after that I am and 488 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:19,280 so what ended up happening though is shortly thereafter give it a few years I I'd stop talking 489 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:26,720 to them I wish it was a little different but at the same time when people do that kind of stuff 490 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:31,720 to you I don't care who they are I learned some things in life these people can call you their 491 00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:37,880 parents you know say they're parents and you know I love and respect them and what not as far as 492 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:43,040 for who they were and for the things that they've done for me but for the people they choose to be 493 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:50,120 I have zero respect for that and the bottom line is if you can't trust the person if you have no 494 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:56,700 trust for the person you don't have a relationship and how can you trust somebody like that's what 495 00:44:56,700 --> 00:45:02,760 I just told you this little tale is a small snippet of everything that's happened like that's 496 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:08,400 that's that's tip of the iceberg that's not even that's not even in-depth at all there's so much 497 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:14,280 more to it but you know a lot of people would say you should stop talking to them for that you 498 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,520 know for the fact that they pulled the rug out for me that many times and I just want to reiterate 499 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,640 one more thing about this story too what I'm mad about with that whole situation and what I'm mad 500 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,440 with them about what that whole situation is it's not about the fact that they didn't pay for my 501 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,440 flight school if they wanted me to go through hard knocks that's fine but that's not what they were 502 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,360 telling me that's not what they were telling me if you tell me you're gonna do something I expect 503 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:43,000 that because I'm one that's very much on promises and I will come through on mine but I expect you 504 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,520 to come through on yours again it's like you said it's a whole tip of the iceberg type deal and 505 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:53,920 there's more stuff to get into but I think the bottom line was you promised me these things and 506 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:59,040 you didn't fall through but yet if I would have fall through all my promises you would have you 507 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:04,400 would have punished me you would have you would have just given me the riot act you would have 508 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,280 been horrible to me because he was very big about you need to make sure you fulfill your 509 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,960 commitments like he preached out a lot and a lot of what he preached was the opposite of what he 510 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:19,640 did and he would he would harp on you about certain things but I think that's kind of maybe what 511 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:24,080 you're trying to hit the nail on the head is like hey you preached all this of following through 512 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:29,160 on your commitments and you you you drilled that into my head and then you failed on your 513 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,960 commitments and you I mean it's not just that one incident but there's a whole bunch of incidents 514 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:42,960 and you know a lot of what I'm talking about it's I'm in a weird place because have I forgiven 515 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,320 them for all that stuff yes but you know what you can't forget a lot of this stuff that's what a 516 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:55,880 lot of people don't understand a lot of people don't understand that if you just allow I would it 517 00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,960 would be easier to forget if they're trying to change themselves or if they're trying to better 518 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,520 themselves but none of that's happening none of that's happened at all in fact I never received 519 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,040 an apology for any of this well there's a lot of things that they did that you haven't received 520 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:17,800 an apology for but it what it comes down to they're not sorry so that's that's that's what it comes 521 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:26,640 down to and it's unfortunate but at the same time to finish this out what mainly where what's 522 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:34,400 going on now so where I'm at my career now I went into the IT field because you know sometimes in 523 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,720 life it's not what you know it's who you know and I knew more people in the IT field when I first 524 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:46,280 got into at the time now my work ethic has has made a name for myself in the industry a little bit 525 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:51,160 not like made a name for yourself like people know who you are anything but at least within my 526 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:57,920 company with the at least within my department things like that I could go a few different places 527 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:03,040 and my options are open if that makes sense I was about to say and to end it on a happy note you 528 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:09,120 were doing last week in aviation where you have a whole show about the news and the current events 529 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:14,640 and all that good stuff so what's what's all happening I believe that that show is going to 530 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:21,680 get us to the point where where we can fly all the time and you know make my dream come through 531 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:27,520 that way or it makes us so much money I buy my own plane there you have it ladies and gentlemen see 532 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:33,280 I wanted to put a happy end in on it there's there's again there's a whole no for sure just one layer 533 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:40,560 of the onion that we we pull back there's there's a lot of layers to this onion but I wanted to 534 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:46,480 end it on a happy note for sure yeah no for sure one other happy note is the whole reason for IT is 535 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,760 so I can make the money to go back into aviation my dreams not dead I'm just taking a little detour 536 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,800 sometimes you have to work sometimes you have to work and do things and toil that you you know 537 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,680 and things you don't necessarily want to do in order to get to your dreams and that's going to make 538 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:08,800 that all the more sweeter when I'm when I'm flying so it's coming it's just you know sometimes you 539 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,920 take a little bit of a detour to get there and so stay tuned to the Donut Box podcast give it a few 540 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:20,640 years and man you'll hear me flying I'll be I'll be hitting my dream well for sure and we we want 541 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,520 you guys to go check check that out on YouTube last week in aviation that's the title of it last 542 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:32,400 week in aviation so you guys check those videos out find us at trash can network on all the socials 543 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,600 we're not on tiktok and we're not on twitter or x because that just starts a whole bunch of fights 544 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:45,040 and we're trying to spread positive no elon and no china no elon and no china um for for those of 545 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:50,320 you don't know your data is being sold by everybody but especially by tiktok so you don't want to do 546 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:56,320 that well uh I think it's been a great episode uh thanks for thanks for opening up and sharing that 547 00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:01,200 part of your life and sharing all the details and all that good stuff yeah apparently we need two 548 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,840 hours for it because I'm like man there's so much I just thought about that was a very brief synopsis 549 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,480 of that whole story yeah for sure man well uh I think it's time to pick this doughnut box out 550 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:26,400 of the train all right man why am I good and this has been the doughnut box podcast