1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,400 Hi, I'm Micah. And I'm Chris. And this is a very special 90th episode of the Donut Box 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,000 podcast. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:26,440 Chris, it's number 90, the 90th episode. And I think it's time for us to change up the 4 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,440 model just a little bit. What do you think? 5 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:34,320 Oh yeah, I think so. I think we have a significant mark that we've hit. And it's exciting to 6 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:40,280 me that we're 10 away from 100. And you know, it's just like you just keep doing it consistently. 7 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:45,000 And then those numbers keep sneaking up on you. And you're like, holy crap, we've been 8 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,000 doing this for two years. 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,280 Yeah, it's almost there, man. Almost two whole years. But yeah, we want to appreciate 10 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,360 everybody for joining us today. Wherever you are in the United States around the world, 11 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:00,360 we really appreciate you. This week, we're going to be talking about something really, 12 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,520 really interesting. And it's a lot from our childhood. But since it's the 90th episode, 13 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:11,840 we figured we do the late 90s, early 2000s, best things that were about that time frame. 14 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,200 And what we'd like better about nowadays, I guess is the best way we can call it. Or 15 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,160 is there more concise way to say that? 16 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:23,880 No, I think that's pretty much it. I mean, if you're a listener millennial and you grew 17 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,400 up, this might bring it back some nostalgia for you. If you're a younger listener, this 18 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,280 might put some perspective for you. And if you're an older listener, this also might 19 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:38,320 put some perspective on it for you. Because I think old, not saying elderly people, but 20 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:46,080 people that are like upper millennials and or Gen Xers, they have a different remembering 21 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:52,920 of the 90s slash early 2000s because, and I'll say it like this, we're kind of in like 22 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:59,240 that bridge gap, like right on the tail end of millennials, not definitely Gen Z at all. 23 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,640 I don't claim Gen Z by no means, but we're kind of in that bridge years, right? 24 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:08,440 I'm going to digress on that for two seconds. I think reason being was we were both brought 25 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:14,200 up on kind of old, older school values. So I think we got more of the millennial upbringing 26 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,240 than we did the Gen Zers. That's that's what I think happened there, even though we were 27 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:19,240 on the cusp. 28 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,760 Yeah, maybe even a little bit of Gen X bleeding into it a little bit. 29 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:32,880 Yeah, right. Yeah, we've had to see therapists anyways. So just just joking. But you know, 30 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:38,520 it was it was a very interesting time period. There was a lot of cool things happening. 31 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:44,080 You know, biggest thing for me and where I thought we could start with was church and 32 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:49,200 what we saw in church. So this was something and I'm going to go even beyond this is a 33 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:56,040 early 90s late 80s and I got to start here. But my wife did not know what Carmen was and 34 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:02,200 I had to show her what Carmen was because and you know what I showed her Chris and maybe 35 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,160 this will bring some nostalgia to the was it the boxing movie. Did you show her that? 36 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,080 No, I did not show her the boxing movie, but I showed her the music video of devil bite 37 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:16,280 the dust. Oh, yeah, the Western one, you know, the one with the Western one with the yeah, 38 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,960 it was so for those of you who don't know who Carmen is, Carmen was really, really big. 39 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:26,920 He had the curly hair. He was like a Christian pop singer and I think like Rick Astley, but 40 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:30,280 Christian. Yeah, I think the thing about like church 41 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:35,400 during that time they were trying to, I guess, copy a lot of like what the secular music 42 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:41,320 was doing. But like, it just wasn't as good. So I don't know, man, like they would still 43 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:46,760 have tried to do like these cool rap beats and like pop music, but it was it was very 44 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:52,720 cheesy, just very cheesy. It was it was incredibly, incredibly cheesy. But you know, I don't 45 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:58,120 I don't know why but typically all the churches that I went to as a child, I don't know, they 46 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:03,960 tended to have kind of those older school things going on. Like Carmen was still really 47 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,920 big even though he was like 10 years removed from popularity, if that makes sense. So that 48 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:14,960 was still like weirdly popular and I don't know. Was he popular with with your family, 49 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,000 Chris? Oh, very much so. We had like the Carmen tapes 50 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:25,800 and everything, but it wasn't like super, super. That was like early 90s. I think kind 51 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:32,320 of the late 90s, early 2000s that kind of like. Now, I wasn't a big fan of that sort 52 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,960 of stuff, but I tell you what I was a big fan of now that was veggie tales. Like and now 53 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:42,200 we're going into the early 2000s. I guess that was late 90s, right? Early 2000s. But 54 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:47,440 veggie tales, I really liked veggie tales. What did you think of veggie tales? I know 55 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,680 we got it shoved down our throat a lot, but hey, it was tolerable. 56 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:57,520 For those of y'all that do not know, veggie tales is a Christian Bible animated show where 57 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:04,520 the veggies, even though Bob the tomato is technically a fruit, there's Bob and Larry, 58 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:10,200 they're the hosts of the show and these vegetables act out Bible stories. Now, you may be this 59 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:16,360 is really, really weird, but they actually did it in a way that was like fun and entertaining. 60 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,560 And I think even people that didn't really grow up in church, I think they know about 61 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:27,920 veggie tales to some degree. If you grew up around that time, but it was it was good. 62 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,920 Once it started getting in the late years, though, the episode just kind of started falling 63 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,600 off, but it was a good way to teach kids Bible stories. And it wasn't really that cheesy. 64 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:42,800 I don't think that wasn't cheesy. Like, I think it was a good animated show that wasn't 65 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,960 too in your face about it. And it was entertaining for kids because it was one of those things 66 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:52,480 to where the veggies always had, you know, characters from the story. So, you know, one 67 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,040 of them would be the, they always had the bad characters and the good characters and 68 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:01,520 all that good jazz. So we always liked that. But I actually show my kids veggie tales the 69 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,840 other day and a lot of them know what it is, but a lot of them that hadn't seen it really 70 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:09,480 liked it. So I mean, it's still relevant, I guess, for kids. 71 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:16,080 It stands the test of time. That's good. That's good. What are some other things from, we'll 72 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,920 move on from the church aspect of it, but it's just because we spent a lot of time there. 73 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,000 What are some of the other things from that time period that were that were really, really 74 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,520 big and stood out? 75 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:34,320 I think this was the age where technology was really like on the cusp of revitalizing. 76 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:40,920 So the first iPhone didn't really come out until 2007, right? Is that, is that right? 77 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,800 2007, 2008, when the first iPhone came out? 78 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,800 It's hard to remember because I'll be honest with you. The iPhone, to me, my family wasn't 79 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,480 really an Apple family. We really couldn't afford it. So for us, it was like, I just 80 00:06:53,480 --> 00:07:00,160 remember it was iPods and those are really big like 2005. So I guess 2005, 2007, in between 81 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,160 that time period. 82 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:07,640 So let me tell you this, folks. Before the iPod, there was these things called MP3 players. 83 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:13,920 And what you would have to do is you would have to either buy or illegally steal the 84 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,760 songs and you would have to put them in your library and you would have to download the 85 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,720 song, like connect your MP3 to the computer and there was no Bluetooth. So you had to 86 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,840 like have a wire, connect it with the wire to the computer. 87 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,480 You had to have the right wire because sometimes it would be different kinds of USB wires and 88 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,680 so you wouldn't have like the compatible one. It would be a mess. Something else too, I 89 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,720 would like to say those websites where you're stealing the music, they were sketchy where 90 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,840 you got the free music. Oh, they were sketchy and that's how you get viruses on your family's 91 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:44,840 computer. 92 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,360 Or what you would have to do is you would have to put a CD in the computer and then you 93 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:53,520 would have to make it was what was called a rip list, RIP, rip list. And so you would 94 00:07:53,520 --> 00:08:01,000 put the song into this list and drag it over there. And if you wanted like multiple songs 95 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,640 that were from different CDs, you had to do it one CD at a time and then you had to put 96 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,240 it the rip file and then you had to download. 97 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:15,760 So and then it would it would download onto your MP3 player and sync it up. And then also 98 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:21,080 the same thing with burning CDs. That was like a big burning CDs, making mix tapes for 99 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,640 people. I remember was a thing like for your friends, you would like make a mix tape and 100 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,520 you would like do because once you made it once you can like duplicate it if you had the 101 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,360 right software, which was cool. But it was a lot of the same process. You had the CD and 102 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,520 you'd have to click and drag the files or you'd have to download it first and click 103 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:42,000 the drag the files manually to burn it on there and you'd have to have the right software. 104 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,600 Somebody was talking to me about this earlier and they were like, yeah, you remember when 105 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,960 you had to make your friends and mix and you had to really make sure that their handwriting 106 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:56,120 was really good or otherwise you can tell what they had written on the CD and you wouldn't 107 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:02,680 know which songs were what. And so that was like just a different time period. We've talked 108 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:09,880 about YouTube a lot. YouTube didn't come out until 2005, but that was almost like, I wouldn't 109 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:15,640 want to say like a dark web website, but it was just for people to go find random cult 110 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,720 videos. It's not the business that it was or is now. 111 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:25,720 No, people, people weren't making money like that. It wasn't a business back then. Oh, 112 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,520 something else we can get back on YouTube in a second, but something else while I'm 113 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:37,080 thinking about it was we saw the transition from VHS to DVD. I remember that was big transition 114 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:42,120 whenever I was a kid. I just remember thinking, wow, it went from this big and for those of 115 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,720 you who don't know, maybe we have the younger audience listening. That's okay. VHS tapes 116 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:55,440 were kind of clunky, black sets, squares, cassettes, basically large cassettes. And 117 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:00,040 the biggest thing about it was it wasn't like a DVD. You had to put it in the slot and yes, 118 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,840 it would run, but you'd have to rewind it afterwards. Or if you press play again, it 119 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,280 would just be at the end of the movie still. And unless you rewound it and it was a manual 120 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,800 thing like you'd have to press rewind and it would go backwards and then you'd have 121 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:19,600 to wait till it gets all the way to the very end. Then you watch it again. It was that 122 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:25,120 and I just remember compared to it that little bitty disc, you know, seeing that little DVD 123 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,720 CD size disc, you're going, holy cow, that is getting so small. And then I remember when 124 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,560 they went like floppies to thumb drives. I thought that was pretty crazy. 125 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:39,040 I'll tell you that this is how you know you made it as a family during that time when 126 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:47,400 you had some money. When you had the VHS slash DVD combo player because people had to have 127 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,560 machines to play their movies. It's not like streaming now. And so there would be like, 128 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:59,480 not everybody had switched over to DVDs yet. And so places did still sell VHS tapes, but 129 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:04,400 it was like one of those deals where you could still watch your old VHS tapes, but you could 130 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:09,480 watch the new movies that were coming out on DVDs. And then finally they started re-releasing 131 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:16,360 all those older movies that were on VHS onto DVDs. But that makes me think of there used 132 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:22,560 to be video rental stores. Do you remember that? So and most of those were VHS tapes. 133 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:28,520 So like now we have the benefit of just streaming, paying for a service, but people would actually 134 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,880 go to the store on a Friday night and you would be looking for a movie and you'd be 135 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,840 like, Oh, what movie do I want to watch? If you didn't know it, you'd be like, Oh, what 136 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,960 movie do I want to watch? And so you would rent it and then you would take it home, pay 137 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,120 the fee and whatever and then bring it back. But you always had to bring it back reroute. 138 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:50,560 Rewound. If you didn't bring back reroute, they would charge you a fee. That's like a 139 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:54,520 that's like a what people would do on Friday nights. People would go to the video store, 140 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,960 pick a couple of movies for the weekend and then they would. That was the original Netflix 141 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:05,080 and chill. It was blockbuster and chill, I guess, or whatever. But even even Netflix 142 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:10,720 was like, Oh yeah, you it was a subscription service still, but you would pick like five 143 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,600 movies and they would send it to you. Then you had to send it back or something. Yeah. 144 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,800 And you know, I don't know. I didn't know too much about it, but I had friends that 145 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:22,360 because like my family didn't do that. But I had friends family do that. But apparently 146 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:27,280 it was like you picked movies in a queue at first and it's like they would send them 147 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,640 to you based on availability. And that's basically how it worked. So if you wanted to see the 148 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,440 brand new movie, well, you might not be seeing it for a little bit because there's only so 149 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:40,440 many in circulation and you're, you know, you have that on your list and they'll get 150 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,640 it to you when they get it to you and they'll move it around based on availability. So it's 151 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:49,880 definitely a lot different. But you know, back to the video store stuff, I remember 152 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:55,520 there was local places, there was big chains. I miss Hastings, by the way, even though that 153 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:02,800 wasn't one that we found until later before they closed. But it also makes me think about 154 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:08,120 a lot of these computer stores, you know, Best Buy, they kind of made it through everything. 155 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:14,200 But do you remember like it was called CompUS and then there was like Circuit City. Do you 156 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,640 remember those? Yeah, I remember those. Like whatever happened with them? Like, I mean, 157 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:23,280 they kind of died, which is kind of weird to think about because we're in a day and 158 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,680 age where computers are big, you know, everybody's got a computer. We're using one right now. 159 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:32,800 You and I both and we have miniature ones as well as phones. So it's interesting that 160 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,360 that business didn't take off more. But you know, Best Buy has been alive and kicking 161 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:42,080 for a long time. Well, most of what people would do is they would buy one computer and 162 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:47,840 like when I say computer, this computer was like clunky big, you had the big monitor and 163 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:52,160 most people would put it in one room and the whole family would use it, right? It's the 164 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,280 family computer. It's a family computer. People would use it, you know, most people had it 165 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:02,600 in their living room. So yeah, I remember that was a big thing. I think my mom actually 166 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,760 finally got rid of her big computer. But I remember like if you had to do a school assignment, 167 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:13,720 whatever, like you either went to the library or you had the family computer. And that brings 168 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:19,080 me to the next point, internet at the time. We saw a lot of things change internet age 169 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:24,920 wise. I remember the very first internet services that we ever received were the dial up the 170 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:30,560 dial up internet. And I always hated it, man, that noise always freaked me out here. You 171 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:35,960 know, I was connecting. I hated that. Yeah, for sure. And then they had the, you know, 172 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:43,360 the wires and everything that is what it was called. It was DSL. And then it became wireless. 173 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:50,480 And it's just it's changed a lot over time. I'll tell you that much. But do you did you 174 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:55,440 have the family members that had the dial up service for forever in a day? And the problem 175 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,760 for those of you who don't know what dial up service was and what it is, it's incredibly 176 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:05,640 slow, like it's really, really slow. And it takes a while to connect up and, you know, 177 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:11,040 we're used to good internet speeds. And even sometimes, like I'm talking slower than mobile 178 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:16,320 hotspot kind of thing. It's really slow. Yeah. And if you use the phone, if you're downloading 179 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:22,720 something, you're done skis. So kind of transitioning a little bit. Let's talk about the style. 180 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:29,960 So the it was starting to transition a little bit into a different style in the early 2000s. 181 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:38,880 And there are basically, I would say maybe three main styles or categories that people 182 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,000 fit into. Of course, you have the people that just wore the everyday clothes, but you had 183 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:49,680 the people that were wearing the urban streetwear. So like the big baggy pants, sagging pants 184 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:58,080 became a thing wearing just oversized urban clothes, chains, grills, fitted hats. Like 185 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:04,080 that was a big deal, right? Wearing 5950. Yeah. That was a big deal. So there are people 186 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:10,320 that did that. And then there was like the punk rock scene kind of came on to the phase. 187 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:15,200 The packs, the original like pack sun kind of kind of style. And what I'm talking about 188 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:20,400 is it's like you kind of had like the skater crowd, but then you almost had the hipster 189 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,480 crowd that had other, what were some of the other stores in the mall? I know Hollister 190 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,640 came in at one point, but then Hollister is like its own like different. I'm talking about 191 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:34,600 like the, it's maybe they're like between the Hollister people and the emo people because 192 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:40,720 they had like the spike hair, Mohawk's were a big thing and like doing like the blonde 193 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,400 tips. Was it the hot topic? Well, hot topic was 194 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:48,400 Yeah. So it was more like this, I guess it was the skater vibes, right? They were wearing 195 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:57,120 the vans, had like the long, swooshy hair, the independent brand stuff. Yeah. And then 196 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,960 you had like the preppy Hollister, like those kind of American Eagle was like a thing. And 197 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:08,600 then you had the emo crowd and bro, the hot topic. I literally just talked about this with 198 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,760 someone that I worked with because she was talking about like growing up and stuff. I 199 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:17,480 was like, you went to hot topic and shot, didn't you? Hot topic is chilled out, but hot topic 200 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,360 used to be the emo store. And I used to think, man, if I go into hot topic, the devil is 201 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:26,520 going to possess my soul. I really thought that. Yeah. Well, it didn't help. They kind 202 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:32,080 of scared us away from that in certain venues. But yeah, no, hot topic has definitely chilled 203 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,600 out. It was it was definitely a different place. Now it's kind of just graphic tease, 204 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:43,520 right? I mean, it's like kind of more maybe more like a Spencer's GIFs turn, but without 205 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:48,080 all the rest of the stuff, like just the clothes, maybe a little bit, but it's kind of like 206 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:56,080 that weird niche graphic tease, but like definitely anime. If you're really big in the anime, 207 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,600 that hot topic is kind of turned into that. So it's kind of from, I don't know what their 208 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:06,200 crowd is. I really couldn't tell you. They're unique. They're unique crowd. They've definitely 209 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:12,080 evolved over the time. So what like late nineties and early 2000s, what were some of like the 210 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:20,200 big moments, whether it was in celebrity pop culture, history, whatever, or were some like 211 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:26,200 the big moments that stick out to you to me personally. So living in Augusta, and this 212 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:32,840 happened really early on when Tiger won the Masters. Like I never seen a town erupt like 213 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:38,320 that. And you know, I don't even remember what year that was. But for those of you who 214 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,440 don't know what the Masters is, it's a big golf tournament. It happens in Augusta, Georgia, 215 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:47,400 and the whole world watches it or at least they say that. I'm not sure. A lot of people 216 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,440 at Augusta try to get out of town for the Masters because it's kind of a pain to be around 217 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:56,640 because everybody's there. But anyways, Tiger Woods was playing and he ended up winning 218 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:02,960 and making this miraculous comeback. But one of the shots, it was just amazing and kind 219 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:09,520 of rolled in and kind of teetered on the end and went in. It was big sports moment in history. 220 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,000 But something I'd never seen before. I guess I'd never been in a town where like a big 221 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:19,240 sporting event happened, but it was just the feeling was different. Like it was weird after 222 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,560 that happened. It was like there was a weird excitement in the air and a lot of people 223 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:27,000 I talked about it for a long time. Like it was something that stayed around for a little 224 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,120 bit, at least from what I remember. I'm going to tell you about four and I'm going to make 225 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:37,680 them really quick. 9-11 really quick. Of course, you can't forget about 9-11, right? I was 226 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:43,600 like in first grade. So like I was in school and I don't really remember much about 9-11, 227 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,480 right? The next one that I'm going to talk about and I don't know why this sticks inside 228 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:56,760 my head. But when Kobe Bryant got accused of messing with that white, white girl and 229 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:03,960 he allegedly assaulted her. And yeah, I remember that was a big trial. And I remember being 230 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,960 like, bro, like what? See, a lot of people forget about that about Kobe Bryant. It was 231 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:15,160 in that trial. I don't know why that sticks out to me, but it does just for some odd 232 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:21,200 reason. And then another one that really sticks out to me is of course, Barack Obama getting 233 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:26,960 elected as president. I mean, we got to see the first black president elected in the office, 234 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,800 whether you love him, hate him, disagree, whatever. Like that's still a moment in history. 235 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,000 Yeah, we watched history, which is pretty incredible. I mean, it's a part of history 236 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,320 books that we can tell our kids and grandkids like, yep, I remember when that happened. 237 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:45,960 Yes. Definitely something else. And this is like really, really dumb. But I'm sure you 238 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:53,000 remember this with the whole little Disney feud with Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez and Demi 239 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,720 Lovato and they were all fighting over Nick Jonas. I don't remember what happened, but 240 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,240 I just remember there was like real life beef between them. And then like they literally 241 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,560 hated each other's guts, but then they all did a commercial for the, you remember the 242 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:12,800 world change? No, it wasn't abstinence. It was like recycle and save the earth, like 243 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,560 turn off all my phone and they're all like smiling, but you can tell that like they want 244 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:27,240 to stab each other. I definitely remember that for sure. I remember Michael Jackson and of 245 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,040 course his trial. That's what I was going to say too. I was going to say the Michael 246 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,480 Jackson trial when you, when you brought up the whole Kobe thing, it's like, man, you 247 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,520 can't forget old Michael Jackson and McCulloch Hulkin. 248 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:45,240 Yeah. Definitely for sure. In sports, that was like during from probably from 2000 to 249 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:50,320 2010, it was like in football, it was always like the giants and the Patriots, like every 250 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:55,980 Super Bowl that was a big domineering thing. And then the Lakers and the Boston Celtics, 251 00:21:55,980 --> 00:22:01,320 that was like a big domineering Celtics or it was like every year. I just remember every 252 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:06,520 year. What are some like TV shows that like stand out to you like, Oh, this is like, man. 253 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:12,680 Of course, of course, family guy was iconic. That came out in 2000. And I think, you know, 254 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:19,280 the later seasons are goofy, but the probably up until like, what season eight, nine, something 255 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:25,760 like that. It's pretty, it's, it's pretty good. I'm trying to think Chris doesn't like 256 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:31,360 it as much. I like Futurama, which is kind of in that same realm. Of course, King of 257 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:36,440 the Hill, King of the Hill is great. I think that's a great show from that time period. 258 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,000 I'll tell you this much, man, some of those kids cartoons that we watch, though, I've 259 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:45,080 gone back and watch them now and I'm going, Oh man, I'm not really sure why my parents 260 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:51,000 let me watch that actually. So one that I really liked as a kid was Courage the Cowardly 261 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:56,760 Dog. Like I like Courage the Cowardly Dog, but you know, I watched it again. And there 262 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:02,240 was this one episode about they had ordered this mattress and you know, it was like free 263 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,360 delivery, but there was like a demon living in the mattress and was like inhabiting them 264 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:10,240 and all this. It was like, what? You know, the dog had to help them and things like that. 265 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:16,680 And it was just incredible because how much we were also censored and what else we couldn't 266 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:23,120 watch. But that was okay. That was kind of interesting to me. My favorite cartoon of 267 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:28,600 the time was Ed Ed Nettie, though. I really don't know why it's a really dumb show. Like 268 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,440 even now that I watch it, I'm just like, man, this is a really dumb show. I mean, it's really 269 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:39,320 just about getting money and getting your job breakers and staying away from the women. 270 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,840 I mean, maybe that was the motto as a kid. I don't know. 271 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,800 I mean, your parents were not the greatest, giving you free internet access and let you 272 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:55,320 watch whatever you want. I will tell you, if you want to find some shows that like, man, 273 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:04,120 this just defines that era of the late nineties, 2000 to 2010, the George Lopez show. That's 274 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:11,880 a big one. Everybody loves Raymond. Boom. The office. That like, if you watch that, 275 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,520 like that show literally follows all the trends all the way through the through the whole 276 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:22,280 decade, even though, even though it was, it started, I think it started like 2004, 2005, 277 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:27,280 but it still was, it still mimicked that timeframe for sure. And drinking Josh. That's like, 278 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,080 oh yeah, that is definitely like, you watch that. You're like, yeah, this is definitely 279 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:36,040 from the 2000s, but I feel like George Lopez, you watch it. You're like, or my wife and 280 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,080 kids, you watch it. You're like, yep, this is definitely from the 2000s. Like that's 281 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,240 that a lot of, a lot of the sitcoms, they just, they just look a lot of, a lot of the 282 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:52,160 same. I don't know why, but I liked a lot of African American sitcoms like Monique. 283 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:57,360 I don't know why I like Monique. That was a fun show. And then there was like, there 284 00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:03,000 was a, what was the, what was that other one that we watched where she's always trying to 285 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,720 go after the professor? Oh, the parkers. The parkers. Yeah, that was a funny one. Yeah. 286 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:14,880 I think too, I don't know, like around that time, it was definitely like the family was 287 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:20,600 still like a big thing. Of course you see that in TV shows, like the mom, having the 288 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:27,400 mom and the dad and like, you know, the kids and stuff like that. But like the theme was 289 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:35,480 kind of weird. It wasn't, it was more like dad works and like mom is starting to work 290 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:41,720 kind of a type deal. Yeah. And not just that, but dad's always goofy. Dad's always kind 291 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,360 of not really all there at home, if that makes sense. And so he really doesn't know what's 292 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:51,760 going on. And they kind of make him out to be kind of a goofball. Yeah. It was, it was 293 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,680 always like, Oh, dad's here, but dad has no idea what's going on. And that's kind of 294 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:03,200 another one is that really shows the era is Malcolm in the middle. I guess like that 295 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:11,240 shows kind of the that or that era. I don't know. Kind of has that feel to part is true. 296 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:18,000 What do you feel like is like, Oh, we did this really well in the 2000s. Like, I think 297 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:25,360 we did this really good. And I missed this. Weirdly enough to say customer service. And 298 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:29,640 maybe it's just because I was a kid and didn't directly interact with people and maybe it 299 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,480 was different. But I just don't remember as many rude interactions when you went out 300 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:40,160 in public and did business. But maybe that's, that's me. I think COVID changed that, bro. 301 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:46,760 I think that that's a product. And that's probably true. I mean, there's definitely 302 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,960 and here I'm going to go into something kind of bigger. I really feel like versus back 303 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:56,280 then people are a lot more divided than they were back then. Like I feel like there's a 304 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:01,240 there's a massive rift between people. I feel like in, you know, this is going away from 305 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,040 a lot of the other stuff that we're talking about. We were talking about a lot of material 306 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,520 stuff and what we liked about shows and stuff like that. But you know, I really think that 307 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:16,760 people from from that era, and it sounds kind of old foggy, but it's like they did look 308 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,200 out for each other a little more. It feels like now you got to be a little bit more weary 309 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:26,400 of people. And that's that's a shame in a way. But a lot of it has to do with hurting 310 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,400 people's feelings, being politically correct, and having to tow a line and be worried about 311 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,480 where that person's line is at all times. And it's good to be healthy and respect people's 312 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:42,880 boundaries. I guess what's hard is back in the day, you could state your opinion, and 313 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,600 there's ways to state your opinion and not be an ass, right? But what I'm saying is, 314 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,360 I don't feel like nowadays you can validly state your opinion without there being some 315 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:58,960 sort of division. It's either somebody's for you and like, Yeah, I feel that way with you. 316 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:04,160 Or it's no, I don't feel that way and you're absolutely wrong and I don't like you for it. 317 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,480 You're sitting here going there's no middle ground. I feel like there was a lot more 318 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,360 room back then of like, Okay, you feel how you feel. That's fine. I don't really feel 319 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,640 that way. But I understand how you got to there. 320 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:21,320 I could be totally wrong. But I feel like that period that we grew up in 2000 to 2010, 321 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:26,440 like there was not like anything that was like, Oh, this is like absolutely freaking 322 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:32,240 horrible. But people would just say what they wanted to say. And like, there was no hate 323 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,560 behind it. Like people would just say their opinions without there being hate behind it. 324 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,760 And people were just like, Oh, yeah, or like, people could laugh at more stuff or, you know, 325 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:46,000 and I felt like it was more, you could laugh at yourself and it's like, Oh, yeah, that's 326 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:54,720 funny for sure. As far as our country, I think it was like, the most. And I know it's like 327 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,480 saying healthy is kind of like, opening the can of worms. But I feel like it was pretty 328 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,560 healthy because it's like, there wasn't like a ton of racism. There wasn't like a ton 329 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,960 of trampling on people's rights. Now I know people will probably be like, Oh, yeah, what 330 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:14,080 about this and what about that? But like, I feel like 2010, that's not even 2010, like 331 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:20,520 2000, maybe 16 is when we started swinging the pendulum way the other way. Does that 332 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,680 make sense? No, absolutely. And honestly, what I think 333 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:31,520 it's because we had a lot of events in the early especially 9 11. 9 11 was a, you know, 334 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,360 that really brought everybody together. It was, it was like, I don't care where you're 335 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:41,360 from. I just remember after 9 11, everybody had an American flag on their front porch. 336 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:46,760 You know, whenever they went to war, or when we went to war, Afghanistan first, and then 337 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,480 we went to Iraq, there was the yellow ribbons on a lot of people's trees. There was a lot 338 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,080 of support. And it was one of those things of and I'm not saying that there's not support 339 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,040 now. But what I'm saying is there's still a massive divide. What you'll see in place 340 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:06,360 of American flags, especially when we're coming into this next time of year in America, it's 341 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:14,640 really sad. You'll see blue and red, you know, signs in people's yards instead. You know, 342 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,880 and it's it's like it was like that before, but at least we all stood together going, 343 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,480 we're going to make this place a better place instead of you're wrong, no, you're wrong. 344 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,680 Yeah. Well, even then too, like on the shows, like I think of Extreme Makeover Home Edition, 345 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,880 it's like, oh yeah, we're going to help this vet out or we're going to help this cancer 346 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,680 patient out or whatever. Like people rallied around. They were like, people would tune 347 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:41,320 in to see, see these people getting help. Like they would tune in to see somebody that 348 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,680 it was a heartwarming thing. Yeah. Like that. I mean, it wasn't, you know, reality shows 349 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,080 have even changed like that now, right? It's more geared to there's a lot more shows to 350 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,680 humiliate people than there is to give them something nice, right? I don't know. Maybe 351 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,640 that's that's something that's changed. And don't get me wrong, it is entertaining as 352 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,800 well to watch some people's reactions in that fashion. And there were shows back in the 353 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:10,520 day like that, like punked is one of them, right? But I'm just saying you're right. 354 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,280 Like we all tuned in. There's something that I can say about every person that I've really 355 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:20,080 talked to. My wife, you Chris, a lot of other friends, it's like, what were you doing on 356 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:25,280 a Sunday night between seven and eight PM? I was watching Extreme Makeover Home Edition 357 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,360 with my family. And when eight o'clock happened, it's time to start getting ready for bed. 358 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:34,880 It was almost like an American thing. It's like you, I don't know. It was like, I can't 359 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:40,640 explain it or even like America's Got Talent or like even shows like that. A lot of people 360 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,800 watched American Idol. I know a ton of people watched American Idol. I think that was like 361 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:50,400 the first time where American families tuned in to watch. I wouldn't say a reality show, 362 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,440 but before people would tune in to like watch a show like, I don't know, like Parker, Texas, 363 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,000 Ranger, for example, like, Oh yeah, we're going to watch this show. But like people would 364 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,480 literally tune in to watch these real people competing for something like Hell's Kitchen 365 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,800 or America's Got Talent or Extreme Makeover Home Edition. And I think that's like, that 366 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,040 was like a family. I know that was at least the thing in my house. It's like, Oh yeah, 367 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:13,560 like, 368 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,840 Are even fear factor, like people loved fear factor, right? 369 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,160 It was something to look forward to. You'd be like, Oh yeah, we're going to watch this 370 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,000 tonight before school happens. 371 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,320 Yeah. And you normally had these TV schedules memorized, right? Okay, this is when this new 372 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,880 episode's going to come out. Here's so here's where I'm going to go into of what I don't 373 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:38,240 like about today versus then and what I would love to change. But I kind of don't. And here, 374 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:46,600 let me explain. I really don't like what you're talking about there was was really nice. You 375 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:52,400 only had what I like to call one layer, you're only looking at one thing, right? You do that 376 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,520 now, you go pile up on your couch with your family, right? You watch a TV show, everybody's 377 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,720 going to be on their phone. That's two layers, right? You're doing two things. Most of the 378 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,600 time, people nowadays are multitasking. Now you throw talking into the mix, say you talk 379 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,960 to somebody else. Now you have three things that people are trying to focus on at one 380 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:18,440 time. And what I don't like about it is, we become so attached to our phones that, you 381 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,840 know, it's it's nice to have it. It's a comfort when you're relaxing, you want to use it. 382 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,720 And I completely understand because I'm the same exact way, but it takes away from a lot 383 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,360 of those personal moments. There's not as many attainable memories of me sitting on 384 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:38,240 the couch going, I remember watching this with my family, right? Full on through. And 385 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,520 you know, there used to even be things, okay, just for an example, right? I remember watching 386 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,240 my cousin Vinnie with my family, right? Very funny movie. And I remember my grandfather 387 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,560 being like, I like this movie, just too much cousin. I wouldn't have gotten that if I was 388 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,960 in my phone, right? Like I would have missed that. And it might not mean much, but at the 389 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,240 same time, when those people are gone, those that's the stuff you'll think about, right? 390 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:10,000 Those memories that you had. So I don't know. I know that was kind of a full circle deal. 391 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:16,280 But I just to for my job, I have two computers, right? I've got two computer screens in front 392 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,560 of me, I've got my phone that I'm watching for. So I'm working on all this stuff all 393 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,720 the time. I think life nowadays is just too digital, too layered, we have too much going 394 00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:31,880 on. And I don't really think that it's healthy for us how much we've kind of taken on so 395 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,440 much technology. Yeah, I think that's what I was going to 396 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:40,280 say I miss about the 2000s is like, is social media because social media used to just be 397 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:46,480 this thing you would hop on and you would just go to just talk to your friends, see 398 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,800 what they were doing, you know, post some crazy stuff, play for like you would get on 399 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,440 for like an hour or two and then hop off, you know? And so I think it was it was just 400 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:02,520 like that fun thing. Whereas now it's like people are literally on it like all the time. 401 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,960 And because it's evolving, like it's constantly putting stuff across your face. And so you 402 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:13,640 constantly have new stuff to consume. And we just consume way too much. 403 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,280 And you know, I really feel bad for whenever I was a kid, I really wanted to be a celebrity, 404 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:23,000 right? Or I wanted to be a sports star, everybody has dreams after sports star be up there. 405 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:29,800 Now, I feel bad for celebrities a lot of fronts because they have to not only keep up with 406 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,120 back in the day, like take I'm going to go sports, you know me, I'm going to go sports, 407 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:40,600 but take a sports star from back in the day, take Michael Jordan. He got to do his television 408 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:46,080 interviews. He got to play basketball. That was it. Nowadays, that's not we have 24 hour 409 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:51,200 sports news networks. We have interviews, interviews, interviews, not just that, but 410 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:57,680 he has to keep on social media. Like you have to be a social media person, or you start losing people. 411 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,640 Like as weird as bad as that is say, you'll start losing people, you'll start losing your status 412 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,280 if you don't have an active presence on social media. So it's become an imperative thing. 413 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:13,120 I mean, you think about it, all your influential people have to they have staff for it, right? 414 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,280 But they know that they have to stay up on social media, like everybody has a social 415 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:24,720 media account. It's insane. And it's, it's used so much. I don't know. It used to be just such a 416 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:30,240 like Chris was saying, it used to be just such a fun, goofy little thing you do, right with your 417 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:36,320 friends, maybe even link YouTube over to it, like share a YouTube link of, you know, here's the 418 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,480 stupid video. Like I remember the one that we used to watch was the Lord of the Rings one, where it 419 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:46,640 was the potato song Boil a Mash, I'm Stickin' This Do. I don't know. It was goofy stuff like that, 420 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:52,240 right? And I don't know, all that's changed. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. 421 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:57,840 Well, going back to what you said, it is where everybody's so much on their phones. And like, 422 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:05,200 I think I saw, they're so focused on recording their experience that it's like, you're missing out 423 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,080 on the experience. Like I saw that at medieval times, like dad was recording the whole time. 424 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,400 And I'm like, bro, you're totally missing out. Like on the experience, you're missing out from 425 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,680 enjoying it. And people do that way too much because they want to put it on Insta or they want 426 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,560 to put it on Facebook. And I have the other problem where I'm like, I don't take enough pictures, 427 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:30,720 like when I'm out. No, that's my problem too. That's exactly how I feel. That's exactly how I 428 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:36,000 feel. I don't take enough pictures. I'm so in the moment that I forget to pull out my phone and go, 429 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,480 hey, this would be a good moment for a picture. I think I miss people just being able to say 430 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,720 what they have to say without people getting offended. And I know back then, 431 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:51,600 you know, movies and TV shows did have some agendas, but it's like every TV show and every 432 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,400 movie now has an agenda. And I'm like, bro, can we just watch entertainment like without 433 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,640 the political BS? You know, maybe there was an agenda back then, but at least it was hidden. 434 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,760 Like I'm okay if it's, I don't know, maybe if you're gonna, if you're gonna do something like that, 435 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:14,480 hide it. I am just like, bro, that's why I watch professional wrestling because it's like, 436 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,040 sometimes they do bring like political stuff into it, but really not. Most of the time, 437 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:24,560 it's just about the story. And I'm just like, Oh yeah, see, I enjoy this story. Like it's just a 438 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:30,000 good story. I don't care if the wrestler is gay, straight, whatever, Democrat, I don't care. Like 439 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,400 just give me a good story. And I'm sick of just, it's almost now I'm like expecting it. I'm like, 440 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,120 Oh, where's the, where's the, where's the preachy message? And I'll be like, Oh, there it is. 441 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:45,120 That's why I'm pleasantly surprised when a movie like for example, the Super Mario Brothers movie, 442 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,520 it was the first movie I'd seen in a very long time that didn't have a preachy mess message in it. 443 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:57,200 And so it's nice. No heck yeah, I totally agree. And hopefully, you know, we had talked about the 444 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:03,680 pendulum swinging a little bit and things like that. Hopefully the pendulum swings again, 445 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,480 a little bit of a different direction, right? Yeah. What do you think is like, Oh yeah, this is 446 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,000 definitely way better now that it was in the early 2000. What do you think is like, Oh yeah, 447 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:20,560 this is better now. You know, on the other front, a lot of technology is really cool. We can hail 448 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:26,880 taxis, ride services from anywhere, anytime we can get food delivered to your house from anywhere. 449 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:34,560 Now, you know, you can make your travel plans online without having to go to a travel agent. 450 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:40,160 You can, I mean, there's, there's so many things like that to where it's like you have the modern 451 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:45,360 day conveniences that if I were to go back, I'd be saying, man, this is quite annoying. I have to 452 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,680 book my flights through a travel agent. Like why would I want to talk to share? I think, 453 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:56,640 I think it created like the technology created a lot of jobs that like, we didn't even think 454 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,120 where possible. Like it created whole new career paths. Like if you would have said, 455 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:08,080 you know, 10, even 10 years ago, Oh yeah, I'm going to be a social media manager or a social 456 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:13,840 media marketer or I'm going to be a YouTuber or influencer. I would have been like, Yeah, 457 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,840 I don't think so, buddy. Like you're going to make money off of that. Yeah, I really don't think so. 458 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,400 Something else too, working from home. Like I never thought that working from home would be a 459 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,640 readily available thing that you could get a job with that being the expectation of like, Yeah, 460 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:31,440 you'll work from home. Yeah, I know you enjoy it, man, but I'm like one of those like, I just couldn't 461 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:37,440 do it. Like I could work from home if I had to. Like I could do it if I, if I had to, but I'm like, 462 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:43,120 Yeah, I don't know. But it is a viable choice because I think it does help people with small 463 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,760 children, you know, it does help them be able to take care of their family and do work, you know, 464 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,600 know, yeah, no, absolutely. And I think my biggest thing that it helps me with, 465 00:40:52,880 --> 00:41:00,160 it helps because I don't know talking, talking to people at work, I'm a big talker, right? 466 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,320 So I'm in plenty of meetings and things like that. People are going to come around to me and 467 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,200 talk and I never get any work done. Like every time I'm in the office, I never get any work done. 468 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,640 So it's, it's one of those things, it just works better for me. Because I'm not talking to anybody, 469 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,720 I can remain focused the entire time. Yeah, I'm trying to think what do you, what else do you 470 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:24,720 think is, is maybe a little bit better? The Miami Dolphins are better than they were. 471 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,360 Yeah, the Buffalo Bills are definitely better than they were. 472 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:37,440 Golden State Warriors are too. Oh man, video game graphics, way better. It's all, it's, 473 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,920 it's kind of scary how, how good they actually are. Like, but then on the other front, I'm going to 474 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,880 say this, some of the video game quality has gone down. Like the graphics have gone up, but stuff 475 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:53,200 like Madden or really anything that EA Games has made the last little bit has been just garbage. 476 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,960 Like it looks graphically great, but you can tell that's what they put on their F. 477 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:02,640 Um, definitely cars have gotten a lot better. There's so much technology. I mean, there's a 478 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,920 plus and a negative side. The negative side is they make them so computerized now that it's even 479 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:14,000 hard for you to even work on the new ones, but it is, uh, it does have stuff like Bluetooth and it 480 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,440 does have stuff like, you know, if you're in an accident, it recognizes that it does have backup 481 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:26,320 cameras and if you need a backup camera to backup, you probably shouldn't be driving. But, um, I mean, 482 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:32,480 cars have come a long way. I also think, um, music has definitely not come a long way. It's 483 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,560 actually kind of gone. I think it's a request. I was going to say it's kind of gone the other way. 484 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:44,480 Yeah. It, a lot of it, here's, here's my biggest problem. And I think when we grew up, music had 485 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:51,840 its own different flavors. I think a lot of it, and I'm glad it in a way that it kind of took 486 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:57,840 this turn, but a lot of it has kind of that hip hop twist now, right? Which is fine because I loved 487 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:03,760 hip hop and rap from the early 2000s and things like that. But I don't know. You listen to a 488 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:09,280 country song now. It's got that basic like beat to it. You know what I mean? And they kind of go 489 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:15,520 along with it and you listen to a lot of pop music and it's the same way and it's fine. But it's just, 490 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:22,240 I don't know, used to the flavors were very different, right? I felt like you, you had, 491 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:26,880 fill me in Chris, what am I trying to say? I mean, like rock music, there was a lot of different 492 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:33,120 kinds of rock music, even like now I feel like there's a couple kinds that are mainstream, 493 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:38,000 but not anything that's great. Like if you listen to your local rock station, it's not going to be 494 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,600 that mix that it used to be. That's not true. That's not true. If you listen to your local rock 495 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:49,200 station, rock is one of the only genres where it is different. If you listen to your local rock 496 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,880 station, they have a pretty good mix. Maybe my local rock station just isn't very good because 497 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,840 they didn't, they're not mixing it up very well. And you know, like I said, maybe mine's not very 498 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:05,360 good. But it's, to me, the radio stations that I listen to, I don't listen to like top 100s because 499 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:12,560 I'm going, this is popular. Why? Question mark or what the main question I always ask is, 500 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:18,240 and what genre is this supposed to be? Yeah. I think streaming services, I think that's been like 501 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,520 a game changer sometimes for the bad, but I think it's been a game changer because now 502 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:30,640 you don't have to wait until, you know, Sunday at 9 to watch your new episode, which I'm kind of like, 503 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:36,640 man, I do feel like that is part of like our problem in America. But at the same time, 504 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,240 we have nothing to look forward to. We used to have the little things to look forward to. 505 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:45,280 Well, yeah, that's true. But I mean, that's why I like, like I said, I like professional wrestling 506 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,480 because I know every Monday and Wednesday and Friday, there's going to be a new show. But also 507 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:56,160 on the flip side of that, a lot of services are starting to do this where if there's a new show, 508 00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,720 they'll release the first two episodes and then they'll release them every weekend. So I think 509 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:07,840 that's where they're getting people to kind of not binge watch stuff, which is, you know, which 510 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:17,120 is good. I think that, I think that traveling is like a lot more, maybe it's more, I wouldn't say 511 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,600 a more affordable, but more accessible than it used to be. I feel like a lot more people are 512 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,760 traveling, like a lot more people fly, like people fly all the time. We're back in the day, it was 513 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,720 like, that was a big deal, you know, to fly. It's like, that's a really big deal. I also think it 514 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:35,200 was the region of the country that we live in as well. There was a lot of people that tell me if 515 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:42,880 I'm wrong, that and shout out to Augusta if you're listening, they discussed the, but I feel like a 516 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,560 lot of those people, they're like, I've never left the county before or I've seen people, it's like, 517 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,520 I've been over to South Carolina once. It's like, they're not going to go fly. You know, at least 518 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,400 there was a lot of folks that I came in contact with that were kind of like that versus Texas. 519 00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,840 Texas is so massive, you know, you have to go eight counties just to get to the next major city. 520 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,800 So it's one of those things to where it's like, traveling is not a big deal. And a lot of the 521 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:12,800 times, like I'll speak for Lubbock and most people from other states and other countries are going 522 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,240 to be mind blown to get to Dallas. It's five and a half hours to get to San Antonio, which is south, 523 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:24,320 is about six and a half. You know, you want to go anywhere. Flying has to be a viable option 524 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,920 unless you want to drive that long. And for that's a day trip for Texans, it's like whatever. But 525 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:37,280 it's just like, it's like, if you ate, if you think six hours is a long trip, you're weaning, 526 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:42,240 you're weaning. I'm just saying, but people, people, I've heard people like, yeah, I'm not going 527 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:48,960 to make that drive. So I'm going to fly it. It's like, okay. I think, I think one thing that is 528 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:56,160 more beneficial now is like, we have access to so much information. Okay, maybe a bad thing. But 529 00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:01,360 like to learn something is very like, it's very accessible. You can just YouTube it, you can 530 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:07,120 Google it. Like it's very easy to learn new things. And so I think that's a, that's a tool. Oh, 531 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:13,040 it's a definite tool. I think the problem has become there's been a, and I don't know why this 532 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,400 is going to sound preachy, but a spirit of complacency. Now, there's just been kind of, 533 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:24,720 and tell me if I'm wrong, but I've just noticed kind of people expect answers to be given to them 534 00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:30,320 because they are so readily available versus before. I mean, I remember when I was a kid, 535 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,960 and then Cyclopedias where you go to find information and sometimes it ain't in there. 536 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,840 Sometimes you got to go look and look in books and things like that to figure out what's what. 537 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:48,080 And so I don't know. I think now it's, it's so easy and so readily available. People are so used 538 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:54,240 to being like, Hey, Google, what's going on with this? And it's gives you the answer. So they're, 539 00:47:54,240 --> 00:48:00,160 you know, whether it's work, whether it's whatever, they're going to want to ask somebody else when 540 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,080 it's like, Hey, man, you can totally figure that information out on yourself. Yeah, they're not 541 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:10,880 used to mining or discovering the answer on their own. I think it makes an impact of that critical 542 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:17,920 thinking. Yeah. And you got to use that, man. Like you have to use that. It is definitely a big tool 543 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:24,320 for sure, man. Anything else you want to say that's like, Oh, this is definitely better now than it was 544 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,960 20 years ago. Man, I'll probably think of five, six things after we get off of here. Yeah, not 545 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:38,320 right now. I can't believe we're almost to 50 minutes of talking about the era in which we grew up. 546 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,200 Yeah. So what is like your, if you could just say your one big takeaway or like, 547 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,920 man, this is just, I'm going to tie this up and put a bow on it. What, what would you say? 548 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:55,360 The late 90s, early 2000s were a fantastic time. They have a lot of nostalgia in our hearts, 549 00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:01,360 whether it's TV shows, whether it's games, whether it's, I don't know, going over to your friend's 550 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:06,560 house and going and having a good time with hungry, hungry hippos, whatever you happen to do during 551 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:14,400 that time. The deal is it was a, it was a fun time, but we've moved on. And I'm glad that we've moved 552 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:21,280 on to bigger and better things because the world is a very exciting place where we can do things 553 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,840 that we could not have done during that time or even conceived to have done during that time. 554 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,480 And I'm excited for the future of where we are going because it's only going to get better. 555 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,520 And the things that are negative and bad, there will always be stuff that's negative and bad. But, 556 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:41,440 you know, I think we can enjoy the good times. And although there are some things and some values 557 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:52,400 I would like to bring over to this era, I think that this era is okay. And like I said, it's 558 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:58,160 pretty darn innovative. I'm happy that I'm happy that life is cool like that, I guess. 559 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:05,360 Yeah, we have definitely changed a lot over the past 20 years. The early 2000s were a lot of that, 560 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:12,800 a lot of figuring stuff out. It was a good time. I'm not, I would say I'm not like 561 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:17,600 jazzed about where we're at right now. I'm not going to be one of those man or country going 562 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:23,920 to hell in a hand basket. But I'm also like, man, there's a lot of opportunities and a lot of 563 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:32,560 things for this younger generation to do. I do hope and pray that the pendulum kind of swings 564 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:39,200 back towards the middle and people would stop being so but hurt all the time and so sensitive 565 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:45,280 and grow some tough skin. But all in all, man, like you got to move forward. You can't be too busy 566 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:50,080 looking at the past because if you do that, you're just never going to grow. But you can also look 567 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,760 in the there's there's a healthy balance, right? You can look in the past and say, oh, I remember 568 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:59,040 those times or hear a song and be like, oh, that reminds me of the 90s and kind of have that. Oh, 569 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,200 that's nice. But, you know, you don't want to you don't want to go back there. You don't want to 570 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:08,080 live there. Now is a cool time. You get to do all sorts of stuff. Hey, like I said, you get to 571 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:15,360 Uber eat stuff to your house and have eight big Macs with no judgment. Yeah. And you'll pay $5,000 572 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,600 for them with the delivery fees and the 10. You will. So you need some money. That's the only 573 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:25,200 thing I don't like about nowadays is backed in. You could have gotten a lot more for a lot less. 574 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:30,320 Sorry. I know we just capped it, bro. But one thing that does suck right now is that like it 575 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:37,280 is not affordable. People cannot buy houses. Like it's bad. Like people are all like, yeah, 576 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,720 we parents ages, they bought a house and all this. And it's like, bro, like we can barely 577 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:46,320 pay the light bill. Like we're making more money than our parents did. 578 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:53,840 Buy a lot. But things are just so much more expensive. So yeah, man. But tell them where to go. 579 00:51:53,840 --> 00:52:00,160 So TV trash can dot com TV trash can dot com. We can't make inflation go down, but we can 580 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,800 have a nice website and make you laugh. Hopefully we can make your depression go down. 581 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:10,560 Yeah. That way you don't have to see a therapist as often and save you money that way. Look at us. 582 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:16,720 We're saving you money in these tough economic times. That's what we're here for TV trash can 583 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:26,240 dot com. Yeah, man. Cool 90th episode. I enjoy the free form. I enjoy just talking and yeah, 584 00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:32,400 just it's always fun. It's great. We got to plan out what we're going to do for a hundredth episode. 585 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:38,160 But yeah, join us next time because it's going to be a great time. We're on our trek to hit a 586 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:47,840 hundredth episode. So keep chugging along. But you got anything else you want to say? All right. 587 00:52:47,840 --> 00:53:09,680 Well, I'm Chris and I'm Michael and this is the Dona Box podcast.