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Hey guys, what is going on?

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You are listening to Escort Confessions

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I am your host, Lily Monroe, and I am here today with Mr. David Firooz.
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Hi.

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Hi, how are you?

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Great.

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Thank you so much for doing this interview and this podcast episode.

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I want to hear more about how the industry is for male escorts, male providers and whatnot.

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And yeah, I'd love to hear your thoughts, your opinions, everything, pretty much.

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But it's a very kind of like canned perspective because I mean, I don't know any other providers

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and the reason I got into it was kind of happenstance.

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Just like I was, I've known a lot of sex workers and just as far as actresses and movies are

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like dancers and it's just kind of this gradual thing.

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And I was in New Orleans living with a stripper and then like, and I met some people, but

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when I came back to LA, things were like good and then everything just like, you know, this

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is right before COVID too.

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Like everything just like, I was like, cause I was like managing a restaurant and then

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the owner just wasn't, just didn't want to do it anymore.

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And then my best friend just like kicked me out and my girlfriend broke up with me and

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I was just like down and out, you know?

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But I didn't start escorting then.

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Then I was just like on skid row, living in a tent and I was just bored a lot.

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So I started just going on dating sites just to like flirt.

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Cause I was like, I was like, oh, I'm never going to go out in the world at all.

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Cause I just like, you know, my confidence in all that was just completely shot.

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But it was funny cause I mean, it just started, you know, I started actually going on dates

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and stuff and then they, you know, it never really got to the point where, you know, I

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had to explain anything from my like actual life.

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So, so there's just like, you know, date wise, I was like, good.

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I was on, you know?

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And then, and then so, but then, then I needed money and that's when I, and that's when I

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was like, well, I'm already going on these dates.

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And, and my girlfriend at the time, she used to be an escort and because of COVID all that,

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like just financially she decided, well, I, you know, I make really good money doing that.

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So I'm going to go back to doing that.

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And I was just like, oh, okay.

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You know?

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And then I was weird because I know, I guess I'm like polyamorous or whatever, but she's

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not not at all, you know what I mean?

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But she's, she's, she's business, but you know, and I, and it works for her.

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Like I, I, I have no problem, but I know when she's doing it, that it is business for her.

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She knows that me, I'm a little, I get a little emotional about any sort of intimacy.

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Like I have some kind of tie in, I just, I can't separate myself from it, you know?

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Which actually I think, because when I started escorting, it was like, I think that's my,

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one of my main draws is cause I mean, I am very much like, I'm, I'm all about it on,

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you know, on the day.

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It's just like, it's, it's, it's real.

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It's, it's, you get, you get me, I real reactions to things and, you know, but, but then I,

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you know, I can just shut off and go to the next thing, which probably most people can.

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I mean, I know women can, but some guys, you know, after they get done being depressed,

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yeah.

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Like with me, like, yeah, I mean, I like, I like meeting people and if I'm like dumb

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with one client, you know, unless I'm, and as much as, as it is business, I still think

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of them as like friends.

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And sometimes I might have like, started to develop feelings toward one of them.

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And that's when I'm like, uh, I can't, this is, I have to cut it off.

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But yeah.

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Cause otherwise then they're like, well, you could have stopped doing that for work.

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And I, you know, it's like change your whole life.

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You know?

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Oh my God.

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I had the client the other day.

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And like, he's an older gentleman and it was our first time meeting.

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And he, he said he wants to like rescue me and travel the world with me.

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You're like, why, but you're stealing, you're stealing everybody else's opportunity to,

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you know, experience the wonder that is me, you know?

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But I mean, that's a, that's just like people in general, like, you know, I mean, that's

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how people date.

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I mean, they go and they like, you know, date somebody and then they're just like shackles

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on and they're just like, well, you're mine now.

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And I don't want you seeing anybody else.

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And I, you know, like, who are you talking to?

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And it's like, and if that doesn't, I don't see any of that change when they're, you know,

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purchasing a service, they're still just like, you know, it's like, you know, like, well,

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I bought you.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I, I, I very sparingly like will actually, I am just like very selective.

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I don't just like answer any call.

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I like to do like a major, like, just kind of like review of a person and the reasoning

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for like wanting me to go and do something.

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It's just like, you know, like I, you know, what my girlfriend does, she's like a professional,

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you know, and she can just whatever, like, you know, block it or something, you know,

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take it out on me later and it's fine.

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But it's just like, but me, I'm just like, I would never put, I could never put up with

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any of that.

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So it's not like, oh, order me.

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And then like, you know, I'm coming back and I've got like bruises on my ass and stuff.

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It's just not going to happen.

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You know, like, yeah.

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And it's, it's just like, I'm pretty much, I don't know.

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It's just, it's kind of like how I am in the real world.

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It's like, you know, if somebody invites me to someplace, am I going to go?

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I don't know.

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You know, but it's like, but if I am going to go to these things and you have to pay

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for my time and transportation and stuff.

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And uh, and, and it's funny cause I just never thought that I was, I, in the beginning, I

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was like, I was like, it'll never actually get to sex.

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You know what I mean?

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Like I was just like, you know, I just, just what I knew of women at that time.

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I mean, I, cause besides like, you know, I mean, you, I put my picture up in an escort

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service and then it's just like, Oh, my phone's off the hook and it's all guys.

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Like obviously, you know, and I worked in West Hollywood for like nine years.

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So I mean, I was used, I, you know, I know what it's like to be a piece of meat and just,

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you know, it was just so, but, but I, you know, I, but I loved it.

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It was a great experience.

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But um, I remember, I remember at one point I was just like, I was like, man, I could,

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I could make a lot of money if I could like, you know, just, you know, cause guys were

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constantly like asking me, Oh, you go home with me and stuff like that and all this.

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And I was just like, no, I mean, I was at work.

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First of all, I'm like, I gotta like finish my job.

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And then, um, but I w I just remember like, um, cause I had a lot of gay friends and then,

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uh, and they, and they would like go home with guys, like no problem, you know, and

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they're like driving, they're like, Hey dude, he bought me this car, you know?

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And I'm just like taking the bus.

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I'm like, God, you know?

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And I was just like, but, um, but that was like, when I, I was a little more like, I

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guess by curious back then, then it's like, then I, there was a point where I like realized

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that like, I'm just not bisexual even like, I'm definitely, I, I just, I enjoy, um, what

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is it like the, like people paying attention to me, you know, it's like, I like that, you

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know, it's like, if anybody's doing anything to me, I'm just like, Oh, okay.

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That's fine.

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I, this doesn't really matter.

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But then it's like, but me like reciprocating, it's just not, you know, it's like, I, I very

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much like just, I have things that I think are beautiful and I find attractive and things

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that turn me on.

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And when those things are happening, that's when I like to do that stuff.

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I don't, I don't like to, I don't even like to like pretend anything, you know, cause

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it's like, I mean, I just, I'm sure I would be awful at.

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If I, and I was always, I was always never had any confidence, but I just knew that it

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was like, if it was something that I wanted to do, that I was going to do it good.

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Yeah.

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And I haven't had any complaints, but that, I mean, I do run into a problem where it's

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like, yeah, they kind of just want to like take out your whole schedule after, you know,

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they're just like, they're like, Oh, and like, they're like setting up like a whole thing

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and I just have to like block the number.

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I mean, it would be nice to have like repeat clients, I guess, cause I would know like

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what the job would entail, but now it's just like, yeah, what I've noticed with people

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is it's like, they, they get real like attached and emotional and it's never, it's never easy,

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you know?

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So, so I just said, it's not that I'm cold, but I don't know.

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I just, sometimes I sometimes I'll even make it like, you know, where I'm just kind of

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a bad date at the end, you know, where you just kind of just like, you know, where just

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make it so they're ready to be like, Oh, okay.

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Well, you know, I've been, thank you so much.

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It's, it's a lot easier than, you know, just like, Oh God, just the phone just blowing

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up and you're just like, what?

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Well, what type of screening do you do usually?

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I just, I have them, it depends on the person.

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I mean, like the ones that I've done, I've pretty much just made the call like myself,

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but I'll, but I'll look at, you know, their social media or something, or like, you know,

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some are like business owners or something like that.

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And I just, I just want to get like, just as like an idea of, you know, the kind of

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things that you could learn about somebody at a bar, you know, I don't, I don't make

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it really go any further than that, but maybe because I'm a guy, so I just like have this

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like false sense of security that I'm just like, I can walk into anything and I'll be

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fine.

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You know?

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So it's like, if it's like, if there's something that I can see that puts them in like the

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real world, you know, and accountable, I guess that's enough for me.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And most of the time it's like, they're taking me to like, I mean, events and stuff or like

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things that, you know, they just need like arm candy or, or just a plus one.

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So there's a lot of like, there's a lot of like exposure beforehand.

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So you know, if I ever needed to pull any of those people into quarters, you know, it's

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like, I just feel safe and stuff.

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And plus, yeah.

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And I do just like, I honestly, like I'll sit there and I'll just be like, well, is

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this like somebody that I would, you know, like try to be with, you know, and it's, it's

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like, yeah, you know, they're not bad.

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You know, it's just like, well, I'm just going to go for it then, you know?

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And then I just try to be like, you know, best guy ever.

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Which is, which is like, you know, anytime you like, are going to go on a date or you're

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going to, you have to meet somebody's friends or whatever.

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You always put on that, like, you know, like this is the best me.

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So I just like do that, you know, and then it's just, but then it's funny because I guess

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the best me is really good, but it's like, if they just knew like the rest of me, they'd

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be like, man, that, that would just, the fantasy would implode real fast.

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What are the, like the majority of women, like what is the age?

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Like I, I guess I don't know if it's because like I, I seem like most of it's been around

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my age, like right now I'm 41, but it's always been, it's been about like five years older

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than I am at all times.

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Like if I was like 35, 40 year olds were like hitting me up and now that I'm 40, I've noticed

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more like 45 year olds are hitting me.

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I don't know.

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I don't know if they, I don't know, but I, I, I, a lot of the times I look a lot younger.

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I'm just like, I don't know if I'm half Puerto Rican or something.

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I have some kind of like thing about me that just makes me young.

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Yeah.

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So I think that they, it seems that they're looking for somebody at least 10 years younger

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than them and they think that I am.

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So but usually it's about five and that's cool because I remember, you know, I remember

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growing up, you know, you like an adolescent boy and all the girls that all the women that

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are like five years older than you are all the ones you want to sleep with anyways, you

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know, you're just like, wow, like they're all the attractive ones, the ones that have

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like already developed and you're just like, wow, you know, like when you're a freshman

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and they're seniors, you're just like, yeah, I want that, you know?

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So I get to have sex with them now.

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So that's cool.

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It's just way after the fact.

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What do you do besides sex work?

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I make music.

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I DJ.

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I, I'm just like a Jack of all trades kind of guy.

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It's awesome.

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So I'm just going to play some of David's music.

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I think you guys will like it.

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I love it.

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It's a, it's like disco.

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It's funk.

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So I don't, I don't know how to describe it, but anyways, here you go.

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It kind of reminds me of princess goes to the butterfly museum, like some elements,

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but yeah, no, I like it.

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I'm going to listen to it more after we're done.

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Tell me more about yourself.

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Tell me what you did before becoming a sex worker.

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I was a bartender mostly and then, and I'm just kind of a drunk when I'm a bartender.

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There's just like no escaping it because I mean, I, I, I got to the point where I was

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bar manager and, and, and I, you know, and I didn't drink and stuff like that, but it's

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like when things go bad and I'm surrounded by alcohol, I'm going to get drunk.

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That's just like, it's, it's like, I'm just like, thank God I'm surrounded by booze, you

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know?

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So I just, it's like, you know, if I want to do something professional, I, I, the best

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thing to do is to just like not be surrounded by, you know, things that I can destroy myself

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with.

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So, so then I had to move away from that and I, and when I was topless, you know, I didn't

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have to like answer to anybody.

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I didn't have any bills.

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I didn't have, I didn't have anything and, and I started to like it.

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And then one thing that like you do when you're on the street is like anything that you get

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is you're pretty much just bartering for it.

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You know, it's like, it's like, what do I, what do I have that I can like give that it'll

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get me like the things that I don't have that I want.

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And, and that's like, you start doing that and everything that you do is for you, it's

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for yourself.

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So it's like, you know, and that, that makes it almost impossible to want to ever work

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for somebody again, because it's like going, I used to just go and bust my ass and, and

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to put money in somebody else's pocket.

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It made, it makes no sense.

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And it's like, you know, letting people treat me like dirt so I can like make this person

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rich and it's not getting me anywhere.

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I was just like, you know, you go to a job and you're like, they give you a packet and

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you're like, Oh, you know, servant leadership, like servant leadership, give me a break.

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Yeah.

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It's just like, I was just like, you know, I, I, there was this one job I had and I put

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my like everything into it.

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And then like eventually the owner was just like not into it anymore.

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So he just closed it and I was just like, I was like, well, yeah, I guess, you know,

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and it was like it that like, like I just was skating on thin ice my whole life and

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didn't know it.

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And then everything just dropped out from under me.

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I was just like, so, but it's like, I like to like, I like to really, if I'm going to

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like, when things get bad, I like them to get really bad.

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You know?

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So I was just like, why?

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I was just like everything now, everything has to end.

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And then I was going, you know, and I ended up like, I don't know, I'm not even going

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to get into that story.

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Let's stick with one.

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I could trail off forever.

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We'll just say like, I ended up in like a full on like mouse costume, just high on PCP,

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like dancing in skid row.

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Like, and it was just, I just remember thinking like, nobody knows where I am and they're

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never ever going to know, you know, like I was just like, I'm just lost into obscurity.

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You know?

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And then, but no, I came to eventually.

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It was, it was just like, it's nice.

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What, I just know how often do you travel for work?

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Do you stay?

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I won't.

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Yeah.

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Like I, I won't, I used to travel for myself and if I travel anywhere for myself, then

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I'll like, you know, posts or something.

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And then, but I won't go anywhere for anybody.

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I mean, it's like, because I'm very neurotic and I, and it's like, if I'm not thinking

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about anything, I can, I just get everything done.

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But the second somebody is just like, Hey, remember you have to do this.

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It's the last thing I'll do.

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And it's just, or if I'm sitting here trying to get out of the house, I'll never get out

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of the house, you know?

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And just like everything goes, I'm like, you know, I'm all of my clothes that I put so

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nicely, they all end up on the floor because I have tried everything on and I'm just like,

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no God, I hate this thing.

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This is terrible looking.

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And I was just like, I'm like, why do I buy these clothes?

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They all look awful.

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And it's just like, you know, so, but then I'm, but then also like, I'll have an outfit

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that I think I look good in it.

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I'm like, Oh, right.

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So I'll just go and I'll buy that outfit, like a week's worth of it.

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So it's just, when I have to change my clothes, I get the change into the same thing.

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And this is why I know I have a problem is because I put on the next thing and I go,

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no, no, this, this, it looks bad.

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It looks terrible.

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And I could put on the thing I had on before and I go this whole time, I looked stupid,

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you know, it's just like, yeah, it's, it's probably, it's definitely a mental illness.

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But I don't know.

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I mean, you know, it's cool when people are like, Hey man, you look really good.

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It's like, I don't, I don't ask for that.

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So I know that when they're saying it, they mean it.

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And it's like, cause I will, I will never think that I look good or that I like if there's,

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I just like, I don't find myself attractive, you know, because I don't have the qualities

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that I would find attractive in somebody.

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So I just don't think I'm good looking.

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And so I'm never going to think that I look cool, but I think the effort that I put into

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it trying to get to something where I'm comfortable, other people seem to be like, wow, yeah, you

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look really good.

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I'm just like, Oh cool.

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Cause I'm just like, I don't know, maybe if something about my view down, I'm just like,

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my feet look too big.

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And my, I was like, why are my legs tapered so much, you know, and it's,

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No, some guys don't even make an effort.

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So I'm just saying, you look good.

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You look good.

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Like there, I'm sure you look way better in person.

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So yeah.

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And I'm not just saying that.

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What is the most fun experience you had with the client?

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You can think of.

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The most fun I had, cause this is, and this is because I have issues, but it's something

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like the most fun I had with the client was like, because it was like the worst like experience

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ever.

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That's the most fun for me.

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Cause it's like anything else is just, I don't know if there really doesn't feel like any

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separation between just me like living my life and doing what I do.

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And then like me at like escorting or something.

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It's just like, it's just the differences that, you know, instead of me having to pay

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for everything, I get paid for everything.

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And sometimes I'm like, man, I really need to go out on a date because I got like a date

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tomorrow and I need some like money.

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So it's like, so I have to like do like a whole experience just so I can go have like

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the whole experience and it's really just weird.

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But no, there was just this one, there was this one woman and she, she was, you know,

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she had just gotten out of a marriage.

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And I mean, like she was married to the guy for like ever and never, they never had sex

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and stuff like he was like just totally in the closet, but like just like her.

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Yeah.

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Like, and just trapped her in this like sexless marriage, you know?

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So she like lost like all of her like, you know, best years, like, you know, but, and

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then so she was afraid to like go back out and like, and you know, she was like, I'm

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not going to be any good.

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And, and, you know, and I was just like, I was like, all right, I gotta, I gotta see

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this woman, you know?

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And then, and it was like, and it was, it was great because it just, it just had that

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everything went naturally, you know, and it's just, and, and, and, and I felt very like

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confident and kind of, you know, just like masculine and it was great.

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And she like loved it.

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And I, and I really like, I really like gave like a good date, you know?

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But then, but then after that, it was just like, you know, she was just like obsessed

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with me and it was just like, and I was just like, and I was like, no, we've developed

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your skills.

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Now it's time for you to go out and like use them, you know?

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And she's just like, she's like, no, I don't.

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She's like, just all about me.

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And I was just like, and that sucks.

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And there was a while that I was like, I was like, I can't, I'm not doing this anymore

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because I just, that like, that kind of stuff just like kills me inside.

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But then I have to remember that it's just like, you know, I'm sure, I'm sure that once

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I like walk out the door, like they're kind of like, no, like, whatever, screw him, you

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know?

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Cause you know, but it's like the drama that people just will brew.

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It's, I don't know.

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It's, it's, it's definitely entertaining to say the least and just, I don't know, but

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I can hold my own in a thing.

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There's just times, there's been some crazy times and, and then when, like when anything

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is, when anything goes terribly wrong, that's like when I shine, you know?

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And that's why my life is so ridiculous.

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Cause when things are going good, I'm miserable.

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I'm just like, I'm like bored and you know, I know, you know, but it's like, but when

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things are going really bad, all of a sudden I'm just like, I'm on it.

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You know, I'm just like clockwork, you know?

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If I could just, if I could just switch, like change that somehow, I could, I think I could

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be very successful, but it's like an, until, until it's like this dire need or like, you

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know, dude, you're going to die.

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And then it's like, all right, well, if that's the case, then psh.

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And I just like, you know, they're like, wow, you could have done that this whole time.

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I'm like, yeah, it's ridiculous me.

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Fun.

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Do you see yourself like vagabond from escorting and just starting a family and whatnot?

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, I, I guess I've, I've always, even in my real life or my, in my, you know,

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at home life, that's always been the goal that, and to just never have children as by

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mistake or something.

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I've always just been, I've always been very responsible about everything and it sucks

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because you know, all of your friends have kids and you know, and they all have exes,

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ex wives, you know, and it's just like, and, and it's just like, uh, and you know, they,

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cause they're all like, you know, I broke up with her and then a week later, like she's

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pregnant and it's just like, I'm like, nah, she's probably choking, you know, she's, you

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know, but it's just like, no, I mean, I don't know where I grew up.

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It was definitely like, I guess women were just all like, you know, oh, you're going

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to leave me.

392
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Well, I don't think so.

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You know, and they just, whatever they were doing to make it like not get pregnant, they

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just stopped doing that.

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But see that never happened to me because I was, I was in charge of like me not getting

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somebody pregnant, you know?

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So I guess my friends just like weren't doing anything to like kind of prevent that.

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So the minute that the women weren't doing it, then there were, there were, you know,

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they got them.

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Give me, I was just like, nah, sorry.

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You know, it's just like, I was like, I'm taking care of, you know, but then it was

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kind of sucked because it's like, I, you know, I don't, I don't have this like little mistake

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that I got to raise.

404
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So it's, but it's, but, you know, I don't know people my age.

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I mean, we're like, we're like perpetually in our twenties anyway.

406
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So I don't feel like I, I'm just about, I mean, cause like my friends were still living

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in their mother's basement and I'm just all like, and it's like, and it doesn't seem weird,

408
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you know?

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But then I like, my mother passed away when I was like 20 or something and she was only

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like 40 something.

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And then, so when I turned 40, I was just like, I was like, God, my mother wasn't old

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at all.

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I was like, I thought she was like an old, you know, I was just like, when she, when

414
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she died, I was just like, well, it makes sense.

415
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You know?

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Cause I mean, it's just like, she's old, you know, old people die.

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That's what happened.

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And then I'm like turning 40.

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I'm just like, I'm like, you gotta be kidding me.

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I was like, I haven't even, I haven't even started my life.

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You know, my mom's life was over when she had kids, like, you know, did you just, you

422
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become an old person because, you know, cause your kids are like what you care about and

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stuff and, and I've just never had that.

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Since I haven't had that, I've been able to be just like irresponsible and just, you know,

425
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I've screwed my whole life up, but I'm only screwing my life up.

426
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So that's all it's like, that's fine.

427
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You know, as long as I'm not negatively affecting anybody else, you know, and then I get to

428
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just do something else, you know, more like just change roles.

429
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Do you think that sex work will be legalized in the United States sometime soon?

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I mean, like it's, I mean, it's like legal somewhere in Nevada.

431
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Yeah.

432
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And they have like the bunny ranch or something, but I mean, America is, I mean, like, I don't

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think it should be because it's like this whole country is based on, I mean, there's,

434
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there were like people in Europe that were so terrible that they all put themselves on

435
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a ship without maybe not even the chance of survival.

436
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,120
And they needed to get, they were told to get the hell out of that country.

437
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:37,040
And they were just like shipped off to like America that might exist.

438
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,560
That's who's founded this country.

439
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:44,320
It was the, like the major like rejects that were just all so religious or something that,

440
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,080
that they like people couldn't stand them.

441
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,080
All right.

442
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,480
And it's like, the pilgrims are like, that's us.

443
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,480
Yeah.

444
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,680
You know, it's just like, no, I don't think that they, I know, I don't, you know, I'm

445
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,760
surprised that people are allowed to drink or do anything.

446
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,840
It's like anything fun.

447
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,480
It's like, you know, they have to just own it and tax it.

448
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,720
And it's just like that.

449
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,640
So it's like being able to work for yourself and do so even if it's illegal or whatnot,

450
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,280
it's like, even, you know, if I have friends that are dealers and stuff, you know, you're

451
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,720
just all just like, nah, shame, shame, you know, but it's just like, but I mean, some

452
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,720
of them are savvy business people, but because they, because they were like, you know, just

453
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:26,000
made out to be criminals at a young age and just kind of forced into that.

454
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,800
I mean, of course they would have been, they would have been great, like, you know, CEOs

455
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,080
of companies, but since they've got to, you know, they were just like put in the jail

456
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,120
for no reason and now they can't get a good job.

457
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,720
It's just like, and now they've, you know, but they're still businessmen.

458
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,240
It's like, they always would have been, you know?

459
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,000
So it's just like, it's kind of this thing that any, it happened with marijuana.

460
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:52,040
It's just when they, when the things get legal, then they can, that's when they get to control

461
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:59,280
it and then, and just, and I mean, I mean, yeah, like, I mean, like I, I get to provide

462
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:06,120
a service and I get, I own every aspect of, of providing me, you know, and just like,

463
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,680
I just can't imagine.

464
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,240
I mean, it's like, if, if they legalize it, it'd be like, you go to a cubicle or something

465
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,520
or, or somebody's just doing their thing and they're just like, oh, right.

466
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,360
You know, the dates walking in and be like, here's your little room.

467
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,920
And you just like, you know, you get your time.

468
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:22,920
Yeah.

469
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,360
And they, or they'd be like, you know, like, I'd be like, well, I got to go to the welfare

470
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,320
one, you know, I got to go to, got to see the welfare escort.

471
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,000
It's just like, I mean, it would just be terrible.

472
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,080
You know, I mean, it'd be like the new DMV, you know, and you'd just be like, you'd have

473
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,120
to go get your like license for it.

474
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,200
And it would just be, you know, and they'd just be like, you know, just denying you.

475
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,120
And it'd be like, anytime you get a new license, they'd be like, oh, just a big chunk of money.

476
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:51,120
And it'd be like, you know, and you just, they'd own, they would own your, your sex.

477
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,120
Yeah.

478
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,160
I mean, I just, I don't think that's necessary.

479
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,600
I don't think that, yeah, I don't think it has to be legalized.

480
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,120
I just think that it shouldn't be punished.

481
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,120
Right.

482
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:09,040
And it's just, but yeah, but it's just like, but legalized means controlled.

483
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,160
And that's just like, you know, I mean, it's like in America.

484
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,160
Yeah.

485
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,720
Like, you know, there's all these illegal drugs and they're, they're controlled substances.

486
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:24,520
They are, they're controlled by our government and like just divvied out to, you know, make

487
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,880
sure that these people stayed that way.

488
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,080
And it's just, and this person gets money.

489
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,240
I don't understand that, but it's just like, so when, even when they were like, oh, we're

490
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,240
going to legalize marijuana.

491
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,800
I was like, I'm not going to be able to afford it then, you know, pretty much perspective.

492
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,800
Yeah.

493
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,760
I like it.

494
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:56,760
So we are not out of time, but I seriously appreciate your perspective and talking about

495
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,200
you, yourself and your story and how you got into it.

496
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,720
And yeah, so thank you.

497
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,720
Thank you.

498
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,720
Yeah.

499
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,280
I mean, if you ever meet another, another escort, male escort that deals with like women,

500
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,160
like I'd like to meet them because I don't know one.

501
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,920
So it's just like, you know, me and Richard gear, that's about it.

502
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:16,920
Cool.

503
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,920
Cool.

504
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,760
Thank you so much for having me.

505
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:20,760
Thank you.

506
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,520
You have been listening to Esco Confessions.

507
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I'm your host, Lily Monroe, and I will talk to you guys next time.