Hi everybody, thank you so much for tuning in today to Escort Confessions.
I am your host Alexa Max and I have a guest today Austin, hi!
Howdy!
So, we're going to talk about escorting, whether it's a choice, a personal choice or a constraint.
Austin, what do you think? What have you been researching?
I didn't do any, no offense, I never did my homework in school and I didn't do any research for this.
You just asked me to come on and give you some opinions. So, I'm just here with my real world knowledge and experience.
Cool, I'm like, yeah, let's do a podcast earlier and then I realized, fuck, I need to do my research too.
Yeah, your research is kind of overrated, let's just go from the gut, why don't we do that?
Sure, so let's see, in my opinion and in my experience, it's down to, it also, it varies, it honestly varies by where you are in your life,
what background do you have, what race even you are, because I feel like white people find jobs easily versus, you know, indigenous people, right?
Is that how you say indigenous? Like Native Americans and Black people and...
Indigenous, yeah.
Indigenous, there we go, indigenous. And those girls who are Black and Asian and other race than white, they get paid way less than white girls and there's more...
Do you mean in general or do you mean in sex?
Oh, I mean in general actually too.
Yeah, well it's probably, yeah, I mean that's definitely a problem that we've had forever as a planet.
Yeah, and that needs to change and they get more, let's say violated and not very respected and...
But I think that... I'm like, I have a thought in my head and I don't know how to say it in English.
So what's, I'm trying to understand the question. The question is, is escorting and sex work more of a choice or more out of necessity? Is that the question?
Yes, that is the question.
Well, I think that from my experience and everything is that because of the constrictions on everything, and then also, I mean, it just, it's really simple.
Would you rather work for $12 an hour at like any kind of job, whether, because I've worked all kinds of jobs.
Retail, sales, fast food, just, I mean, everything, construction, I've done all of it and hated all of it.
So it kind of gets to a point where why would I work for $12 an hour where the government takes 20% of that or whatever the math is.
Then I have all my bills and I have to deal with shitty circumstances and shitty people all the time and have no money to live a life after that.
And it's like, or I could do this. And obviously, there's challenges. I'm not a sex worker. I don't know what I imagine.
There's lots of challenges with that, just like any job. But you have a client, you get paid a good amount of money, and then you move on.
So the fact that there's so many constraints on it as far as – and obviously the internet and everything has opened it up more, but legal-wise, making it harder to do, that just makes it harder on people to have a choice and to be safer.
So I guess simply it's obviously up to the individual whether – I could just see how someone would be to the point where they're like – I mean, I've had that thought, like, God, could I just – is there just a bunch of old, lonely women and they'll just fly me around and I'll just have sex with them?
Can I do that? That would be amazing because going to work sucks. But I don't know if there's a market for my type, so I don't know.
Trust me, there's a market for everybody. I see some girls –
I need to do research on that.
There's this Twitter going on that tweet, I guess, this guy, Troy, he's like straight male and something, and girls just do not like him. I don't know why. I'm not in that field, but there's a market for everybody.
And I even see some girls just spreading out. They're not very pretty. They're not supermodels, but they get booked, too. I'm not saying you're ugly or fat or anything, but –
No, I think – well, if you can plug me into anybody who needs a five-foot-tall, hairy man –
You're not that hairy.
No, I'm pretty hairy. You haven't seen me with my shirt off. My chest, it's all connected. It's like the Mississippi. It's just all connected and all the surrounding areas are in poor condition and it's just a mess.
So, no, I would love to not have a day job and people fly me around. I would do that.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, in my opinion, and I've had this opinion since high school, it just doesn't make any sense to me how you can legislate that.
And by making things so hard on like prostitution and escorting and all that stuff, it actually makes it worse because people don't understand and women don't understand the sex drive of a lot of men and that a lot of men don't understand how to talk to women,
and they can't express their – they're sexually, I guess, frustrated. And if they could pay for that in a safe environment, in my opinion, it would fix a lot of issues that – if a guy has the money, but he doesn't know how to go on a date or get laid or however you want to phrase it –
I'm just going to use simple terms and if someone gets offended, I don't give a fuck. If you don't know how to get laid and that isn't part of it and you can just pay for that, and obviously, paying for it isn't the same as dating and a romantic connection and all that stuff.
But if you – sometimes you just need to have that release. If it was easier and safer for the workers, that is a lot better than having like pimps on the street.
And then – because all that becomes is just a tax on the workers that goes to a lot of times abusive individual. I don't know. There's a lot to that.
So I'm obviously painting with a broad brush. We'd have to get more specific, but that was me trying to answer your question.
Yeah, I know. I love it. Yeah, like for me, it was more of a constraint. But –
What do you mean by constraint? Like your life was constrained so you had to start doing this or –
Sorry. No, I guess I got –
The job because of laws and societal things, it's constraining.
Oh, that's – no, it was more like yes, I have to do this so I could have roof over my head and food in my belly. That was like my thing.
But then I just kind of started liking it and I'm like, yeah, why not? And yeah.
So you kind of – so like what I was saying earlier, you were kind of at the point of like, well, yeah, I mean, I could go get a job at Chick-fil-A or at a restaurant or whatever.
But it's like I don't – this is a much more fulfilling route for me.
Well, my friend got me into that. So I guess I didn't really have a choice. Well, I did. I did have a choice. I'm like, but –
It sounded a lot better than all the other things that were coming at you at that time.
Yes. Yes.
So you're like, I'm going to try that.
Yes, definitely.
And I don't – you can't blame somebody for that.
Yeah. But yeah, like a lot of goals that I know they choose this profession because it will pay for their kids' education.
It will pay for their college university. And it's way better than working for this nasty boss who will harass you at your work space.
And a fucking subway making meatball subs.
No offense to the folks that make that, but I can't function under that type of – and that's just what a lot of jobs out there are right now that are – I don't know.
Like, it's just that that kind of a job is soul-sucking. So I have gone homeless and destitute until I found something better because it was like I'm not going back to that type of a job.
Like, I'm fucking something different. But I don't – like, I guess we'll put, for the sake of conversation and ease, like I used to work at a strip club.
And there were different types of dancers. There were dancers that were alcoholics and loved the drama.
And their boyfriends would come up and they'd get in a fight and da-da-da. And some people feed on that.
There's a lot of people that are broken and that love that kind of drama in their life.
Then there were dancers who – it was like that was almost like a creative – like they just liked to dance and they got paid good money and they were cool and they weren't there.
Like, not every stripper or dancer is trying to – like they're not there to fuck or whatever. Guys at strip clubs are the worst. It's embarrassing as a man to see how these guys behave.
So that's another – so then you have this expression type of dancer. And then you have dancers that are there because the exact reason we just stated like why am I going to go work 40 hours a week at a job that I hate where they take all of my money?
When I can come work here three nights a week, make like $2,500 for 20 hours of work and I go home and like I have kids. They all have kids. They all have bills to pay.
Like why am I going to go do that just because society thinks that this is gross?
Yeah.
But yeah, no, I guess while we're on the subject, when I was in the DJ booth, I had this dancer come up. She was cool.
And this is more of a message to men of how you – because there's nothing wrong, in my opinion, with going to a strip club, having a good time with your friends or whatever every now and then.
Like I'm not a strip club person. I don't really like loud places in general. But there's dudes that like they get off of work and they come and hang out at the strip club.
And that's their thing. And they think by like paying all this money that that dancer is like – they have this weird like that's my girlfriend kind of thing.
And then at the end of the shift, the dancer leaves because their boyfriend picks them up. And then it's almost like everybody – it's almost like being a – like a standard.
Like you have like this persona and this character that when you go in, OK, I am raving while I'm here now.
And then people don't understand that like that's kind of like an act so that they can pay their bills. Like it's just that's kind of – guys need to understand that they're there to do a job, which is to get your money and they don't owe you a fucking thing.
But we had this guy come in and she was like, hey – she was like, keep me off the stage. And she handed me like 60 bucks. And she was like, you see that guy over there? And I was like, yeah.
And she was like, well, his dad died last week. And mine died a year ago. And we're bonding over that. So he's going to pay a lot of money.
So just keep me off the stage. And I'll just tell them it's like 20 bucks each time I have to stay off. And I'll just bring that to you.
And I was like, hell yeah, girl. Let's do it. Take him for all he's got. I mean, sorry his dad died. But it's all about money. Like no one cares about you there, man.
And guys, please understand that before you go in there. Because you're sad. And they all talk shit about you behind the curtain, how sad you are.
So working at a strip club here in Atlanta, I learned a lot about women and a lot about how that industry works. And I respect the industry a lot more after working there.
Yeah. Dancers have to go through a lot of things.
A lot of shit. It's a lot. Yeah. So yeah, that was the experience at the strip club.
It's an interesting story. I like it. I love stories.
I remember this one time when I was still engaged. My boyfriend had this friend, Ron. Let's just call him Ron. And Ron liked to go to Atlanta to strip clubs.
And Avery was like, Alexa, you should like go to a strip club. You should audition for them. You'll make a lot of money. You'll make like a grand in a day.
And I'm like, that has to be a really good strip club if I can make a grand in a day. And that was way before I started doing sex work.
So I don't know. If times get hard, maybe I'll go work in a strip club. But I just I don't like drama. I don't know what to expect there.
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of drama in all the dancers. I mean, they were fucking each other. They were fucking people that worked in a bar.
You know, then they had a boyfriend. Like there was just a it's a ton of drama.
Now I'm I'm curious though. Like, so as a as a sex worker, how do you separate that part of it?
And like, do you do you still date? Like, are you able to separate? Because I know for me, if I was getting paid to do stuff like that, it would be hard for me to go on a date.
Yeah, because I would be like, right. I mean, I'm not making no money, right? Like, I could be like, I don't know if that's like the capitalism in me.
But it's like I know that that I don't does it skew your view of like, if you're attracted to someone that you meet, or like, is there even do you have less romantic interactions?
Or do you still date? Or do you just kind of end up just dating your customers? Like, how does that work?
Yeah, so that's a good question. So when I started sex work and started thinking about I'm like, well, where the fuck would I like date even if I'm not getting paid?
And that's the capitalism in me now. And like, I used to date a lot. And I'm still single. So it's like, what's the fucking point? Unless unless I really like somebody.
And yeah, and then we both have feelings. And then I would eventually tell them like what I do. But yeah, like, you don't tell you don't tell people off the rip. What do you do?
I don't. Well, I did tell like few hookups, which was like, stupid. And they did not like it. I'm like, well, wait a minute. Anyways, they were stupid, stupid assholes. I very judgmental.
So you so you still so any I mean, you don't have to answer this. I'm just and I like to I like to learn. Well, so that's what I'm saying. Like, do you so you still hook up you still date?
No. Or so you don't see you don't do any of that. That was in the beginning. No, I do not date anymore. And yeah, I'm doing other things right now. I'm traveling and you know, there's personal life and yeah, like, like, yeah, I just just don't date.
I don't I don't like it. It's like you have to answer the same question like, where are you from? Tell me about you. What do you like to do for fun? And it's just so boring. But but you know, like, it's kind of ironic because it's a sex worker. I do create intimacy.
And yeah, but but yeah, and sometimes I like to hang out with my clients like I invited one of my regulars to go see what do we see the Batman? Yeah, we saw that. And yeah. But you know, I don't I don't hook up unless I'm gonna pay for it.
Yeah, I can't. I mean, that makes sense.
I mean, I mean, if I if I feel horny, I'll just get my vibrator and that's it.
Yeah, and I think can do a lot of stuff that we can't.
Does I mean, they're coming up with new ones now. Yeah, it's we can't keep up with technology.
But sometimes it's just nice to feel a body like that's not a client or you know, whatever. But yeah, that was my question. I was just curious.
Right. So verdict is that is the choice? Is it is it more of a necessity? Is that why?
I think it's, it's going to be I think that's like an individual thing like your circumstance was like you had a friend that was like, Hey, do you want to do this? And you were like, well, would I rather do x? Or would I rather try this new thing?
And then you tried the new thing. We're like, okay, this works for me and my life. So I mean, I think it's a case by case. But I would say, yeah, it was it would probably be more because it's so inaccessible because of the walls that I think it probably ends up being, especially when you weigh the risk versus reward.
It's things are increasingly more expensive. It's like, it becomes it just makes it makes more sense. So I would say I would lean more towards obviously, you know, you have a choice unless it's one of those really shady deals where you're like forced into it, which is, I feel like that's a whole nother.
It's not even like that's a whole nother category than what we're talking about. I guess I'm keeping it kind of general about people that aren't like, you know, forced into things. So yeah, I would say it was it's probably more of a more of weighing the risk versus reward and seeing that the reward outweighs the risk.
Well, I appreciate you having me on here, and I hope I answered the question. Yes, it's always it's always good to get second opinion. And third and fourth. Yes. Yes. Cool. Well, thank you so much for being here, Austin. I really appreciate you.
Thank you for having me. I appreciate you.