Hi everybody. Thank you so much for tuning in today. This is Escort Confessions with Alexa Maxx and Mr. Elaine.
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So, today we're going to talk about, let's see, Duos, orgies, and flexes.
Yes.
Flexes. Yes.
Flexes. Am I saying it right? Like, flex?
Yeah. Having, admitting that you had multiple partners at one time is a major flex anyway.
Okay, okay. Got you, got you. Cool. Okay, so, tell me about your experience with having multiple partners at the same time, that experience.
It's something from a basically Cishet male perspective. It's sort of a fantasy that all little boys, well, all young men dream about, and I've had friends of mine who've had it occur organically, and I've had friends of mine who have hired professionals.
And from the point of view of being a previous John, I have had a share, my share of Duos, myself and two other courtesans, and they were incredible.
And most of the ones I had early on, when I was first discovering the world of companionship, were with massage therapists, masseuses, and they were, you know, what they would do, what they would consider the forehand technique, and yeah, which part laid into actual intercourse.
And that experience, and the first time was electrifying, it was like, wow, I can't believe we're actually doing this, and women were gorgeous and flirty and fun and they were into each other and it was a lot of those a great experience.
And then, after that, probably the most memorable one was working with the provider. Back in the days of Craigslist, not Craigslist, Backpages, Backpages was brand new, and you could find companionship there, you know, you could you could find models or courtesans or escorts, whatever you wanted to call them, that specialized in having two girl parties.
And I was in Wilmington, North Carolina, and I hired somebody, we'll call her Ariel, and she was great. She was cute, bubbly, she and I are about the same age, so I think late 20s.
And, you know, we were chatting as you do when you're qualifying each other, because you want to make sure she's legit as well as her making sure that you're vetted. In that process we were talking about you know fantasies and things we wanted and I had not had a full three-some experience or two girl party yet.
And so I asked, she was asking me about fantasies and I had mentioned that. And so she says, well, I have a friend, we'll call her Crystal. And Crystal and Ariel, you know, we met at this Green Palm location, and, you know, Ariel was a redhead and Crystal was blonde.
And we had a great time and then they asked, you know, we sort of talked about what we wanted to do and boundaries and everything and I said honestly I would love to watch the two of you play together and do a two girl show and they call, no one ever wants that, you know, and I said, yeah, I'd love that.
So we did that and they worked together and it was incredible. And then I joined in just a little bit after that and we had a great time. And the last time I did it was a couple years after that, so maybe about eight or nine years after that experience.
I was in Charlotte, North Carolina, and, you know, similar situation, I was thinking, hey, I feel like, you know, having some companionship, I stumbled across a provider who said we specialize in two girl parties.
And she had a friend of hers who was Asian, I think she may have been Korean, I don't know exactly.
And she was herself blonde. And we'll call the blonde Jolene and the brunette, we'll call her Melissa, for lack of a better term.
Because, honestly, I don't remember their names to be truthful, but it was not a great experience. In fact, I actually feel like they were trying to roll me.
And, you know, we agreed upon a set amount for the hour, and I put the money on the counter and they counted it and said this is short. I said, no, it's not short. I got out of the ATM, they come in, you know, the exact amount.
And so they kind of put pressure on me to pay more money, and I didn't have the greatest experience. I mean, it was basically one person at a time. Nobody wanted to play with each other.
It was actually really, really late at night, too. So everyone was just kind of tired. And so I was with one and then I was with the second one, and it was honestly a letdown.
And that was the last time I was with a paid provider. And I guess it just sort of soured my experiences totally with that.
But then I realized that, you know, if you work on yourself and you become a better person, and you figure out how to be more confident in your personal life, you can have the kind of experiences that you want to with just normal relationships, not normal relationships, but with non compensated relationships.
And so, since then, you know, my partners and people I've dated, you know, have been able to match desires that I've wanted to, you know, experience.
I think I just really took a chance of saying, hey, you know what's around me, it's in the pool of people that I'm dating, and the people that I interact with, that can match experiences that I would find with the provider.
And I'm not going to say there's anything wrong with the provider, because that obviously is not the sole point of the podcast. But I just haven't, you know, worked with anybody since then.
I just really haven't had the desire or the means or really circumstances warranted where I needed to do that.
So, for anybody who had, for now, one duo, I could say like from providers perspective that you should, if you're going to have a duo, I would suggest for, you know, potential clients to book with, like, separate one.
First, like you see this provider, and then you see that provider. And for providers who are looking to book another provider for duos to start doing duos, I would suggest to meet each other first, and then book the duo another day because the first duo that I had was, it was good, but she didn't, she was not up for playing with me while I was up for it.
So that was disappointing for me. So, yeah, but I actually am heading to Richmond, Virginia, I think, in a couple of weeks and I booked a provider for myself. She's so bubbly. I'll just call her M.
And she's like so bubbly, loves to read and she's like my type and like we just communicated with her, it's clear communication, she's really friendly and she actually like promotes our duo, unlike the other provider.
And I think it's amazing. Like, yeah, I'm excited.
That's great. No, I'm glad you should be excited about that. I would be too. That sounds like a great ideal situation.
Remember the first couple I worked with one in Wilmington, like, she said, hey, I had this friend and she and I worked together a lot and, you know, we really enjoy each other's company.
And she said, here's a link and you know in texting she sent me a link to her page, and it was their couples page or like the duo's page. And I think that's really important like you're talking about. I hope it works out. I think maybe you could work together in the future.
If there's chemistry. Yeah, exactly. And she already like got me fully booked, because she keeps promoting and she has more followers.
And yeah, like I could see like, yeah, she actually wants to make money because unlike another provider. I keep, I keep like asking the first provider like hey here's my photos like I already posted this, and she never like promoted me but then again I think I think
she's like a jealousy kind of thing because she was a big girl and maybe, I don't know. I don't know but it didn't work out with that provider so with this provider works out so I'm like, yeah, I want to see again.
Yeah, I guess honestly in a lot of ways to.
It's like the relationships that you make with people.
When you say this was a different kind of work, and you need a partner for a project. You know there's obviously not chemistry between you and that person, it's going to be hard to work with them.
Yeah. So I think that's probably the most important aspect is, if you're going to have, you know, such a threesome, then everyone needs to be on the same page about it, at the very least.
And everybody is just like wow it's instant chemistry. Yeah, I really like this person, you know, I mean, a good time.
I think the one time I've actually had really any kind of repeat with a provider, you know, was because of that, like I've had two providers in the past, who have had multiple sessions with that we hit it off with and, and not only did we hit it off with
but the time when I was doing from for work and my income stream and, you know, my budgeting for that kind of, you know, entertainment.
It was like, they fit in that category of hey this is somebody that is affordable and is value to the experience you know I don't mind the tipping extra I don't mind.
You know the higher price point, because it's worth it. And not that we need to commodify you know humanity or anything like that but when you are a service provider, and there's money exchange you want to make sure that it's a great value for everyone.
That's when when as much as possible. Yeah. Yeah. And tell me about when you went to like orgy parties mentioned and.
Well, I mean, yeah, just in my personal life. My partner and I have had experience with another couple. That's fine I mean it wasn't really an orgy party so much as it was just for some.
Yeah, yeah, it was it was just like it's experienced where we were somewhere we felt comfortable and somewhere where we felt empowered, you know like confident, that's the word there, and feeling sexy because you know it's easy to be like oh I you know, I might be
too much right now or I may feel bloated or I mean, sexy. Yeah, or even guys who are like oh I can't get it up right now because I had to have to drink or I'm too tired or whatever, you know.
I remember the very first foursome was a full swap couple that my partner at a time it was actually my girlfriend's at the time's birthday. And yeah, it was her birthday and her best friend was like why don't you come over we'll have some fun, my, you know, my husband, like, okay.
In fact, in fact she'd even my girlfriend kind of means that hey this is my, this is my girlfriend. And she will call her be, and she and her husband see want to hang out with us.
Like we need to hang out she's like, we want to, you know, do a full swap for some. And I'm like, Are you okay with that she's like yeah I am. But then after it was over she was like you know what I don't, I don't.
I didn't like that I didn't feel comfortable. Like why she's like I just, I don't know she had some things about, you know, how she felt physically felt about it like I don't think she.
I mean she definitely came but I think she was just had a lot of things going on in her mind that she had built up to and was like, well, it's going to be this way and there's a lot of pressure she put on herself.
And she and I aren't together anymore. There was a lot of problems in the relationship to begin with even before that, but that was, that was my first experience like that and it was, it was fun, but it was also kind of high pressure because, you know, when
you're somebody and things don't go right it's like okay you know whatever we'll just get off and then try again a second, but there's two other people there it's like okay now there's an audience.
And unless you're good at, you know, having sex in front of an audience, and then it takes practice, but overall it was great because she was hot.
And I and I one of my, one of my kinks is I enjoy seeing my partner with other people.
And that was one of the situations where I learned that I was like wow it's really hot watching you. And, you know, the two women play with each other, you know, be and my girlfriend at the time.
We'll call her a.
They played and that was hot, and then we, you know, she went with see and I went with be.
And we kind of in the same room together and it was it was also very high, and then, but there have been a lot of alcohol so I didn't enjoy myself fully like I normally would have, but I still had a good time, and unfortunately she didn't know it's the first
and last time she and I did that together and I've done that since.
But I don't have the permission to discuss that with anybody else so I've not mentioned I'm not going to mention it for the podcast. Yeah, presently, but yeah, they're good I mean, what it's what's your experience with them what if what's what has been, have you had multiple like
that yet.
Not yet, but I will.
You will. I hope I will.
Because I mean of course, after doing divorce with a new girl. I feel like going to be more comfortable and obviously like I want, I want to book myself to mail providers because I always been, you know wanted to mails, and I can, I don't think I can really.
I don't have enough time to try to find savings to do that with me because not everybody will be out for it but then if I booked two providers, then you know they get paid, they get laid.
Yeah, it's funny you talk about cities I mean I've noticed that like the friends of mine who are not quite civilians, either they're like cam models, or they're people in the industry, or whatever, tend to be easier to experiment with, like the times I've done stuff
with seven people who either were, you know, full on air quotes freaks. Yeah, or there are people like I mean the last time I was somebody like that she was a cam model.
And she and I got together, and it was we had an amazing time and then circumstances decade, we had to not see each other for a long time, and then she reached out and said hey I have a boyfriend.
I'm interested, he and I are interested in having another another male with us, is that I want to be DP.
We can do that. But we just haven't had a chance to, you know, the scheduling keeps us from, you know, organizing that because it is.
I mean you have to get everyone's schedules together, three people. And it's just like, yeah, it can be hard exactly.
It can be kind of hard.
What it was something that you want to do. Why is that, is that a fantasy you had in your real life. Yeah, my whole life pretty much because I'm, you know, straight, I, I like to watch some DP stuff some like, what is it called.
Game Bank sometimes but I don't, I don't want like too many guys I just want like to, to start with, but I don't know it's just like males are like, you know, fit males are like pretty males.
And, yeah,
I think.
I know, I think it's just kind of hot.
It's very hot of course it's hot it's incredibly hot it's.
Yeah, it's they're sort of a primal.
There's a primal aspect of it too because if you think about sex is just procreation.
Your chances of procreating are better when you're able to have multiple partners and there are just one single partner.
So as a woman who is carrying, you know, her eggs, and once them fertilized chances them for a lot being fertilized are twice as likely now.
Or you can carry on your tribe's DNA as a male, you know, a sperm provider, your chance of fertilizing two eggs is better than trying to fertilize one egg. So, for the biological imperative.
If we're going to go from that point of view. Yes, something definitely naturalistic to you want to have multiple partners at a simultaneous event or multiple partners throughout the course of an population.
It is interesting sounds kind of weird to put it that way though.
It sounds very, very normative, but at the same time not because it's not a normative thing.
I will tell you this though, I when I was a kid, and you should always protect children from pornography.
That's that's my disclaimer. But I remember really sneaking in and seeing like, you know, movies my dad would have like we're like sticking like sneaking in and seeing stuff on cable.
And I would have a playboy channel. Yeah. And what was the was the movie I don't remember exactly which movie it was there is Richard mall at a orgy.
And it was yeah it was it was one of the 70s orgies where everybody was on the floor together and they're all just writing together, laying together and everyone was on top of each other and he was trying to figure out where to fit into there and he
couldn't find a space on the floor for him to lay down he was just kind of stuck standing on the floor.
Everywhere he would lay down there'd be somebody there already. And so he was kind of stuck wearing his towel.
And it was. Yeah, it was hilarious but it was like probably at 11 or 10 or 11 is my introduction to what that would be air quotes and orgy, and I was thinking, wow, what is this.
But, yeah, they're, they're amazing when you can organize them correctly.
I, yeah, my first experience with poor no was, I think, yeah, around the same age, 1112. I remember my, I was at my friend's house and my two best friends were there.
And one of my one of them found a tape that her parents hid in their closet, and she got it out and they were sort of watching it and I'm like, what is that like long, thick thing. Oh my god it's a penis and we all close their eyes actually
you know now that I remember was me who closed my eyes while they were like, giggling and stuff like that but it was it was interesting. I was not traumatized or anything.
Cool. Moving on.
Moving on.
Let's go play outside guys.
I think it was also finding magazines. And this is, this is this weird thing that happens in the south, and I'm not the first person to have experienced this friends of mine told me the same thing.
But during the if you were a child, who was born in the 70s and sort of grew up in the 80s.
There is a pretty good chance that you could have gone into the neighborhood where I grew up in neighborhood there's woods all around our neighborhood. You could have gone out into your woods on really any given summer and found a suitcase or briefcase full of
magazines, and it would have been a stash. And this just happened, like, I'm not the only person this is like a weird urban legend thing where somebody who either like, what more likely happened was it was teenage boys who are you know older than you,
who had found other dirty magazines or had somebody buy them for him. Yeah, and then brought him out to the woods and left him there. I remember my friends and I finding a stash like that out in the woods.
And I'm like I said I'm not the first person that's had that experience happened to them. I don't really know why that's, I mean I guess it's because, you know, magazines back in that time period where like you know there was no internet, there was no, you know, porn hub
there was really no Playboy channel, it was just dirty magazine, or VHS tape.
I heard this thing about magazines that like guys jerk off in it and pages stick, or something like that, like is that true?
Yeah, that's a true thing.
I've never done that.
But the magazines I've had I've always been like, you know, I'm holding, I'm not, I'm not using them that way.
It's something for me to shoot on too.
Yeah.
My hands are somewhere else from my, like, yeah, whatever. Yeah.
That's how you know you're old school that's how you know you're probably like over 50 if that's really all you use for your smut was his magazines or VHS tapes and not the internet and not your cell phone.
Yeah.
That's one of my step that he was to collect the Playboy magazines. And I'm sorry about that.
It's okay. I, they got me excited when my parents went home I kind of read through them.
I cracked my knuckles.
Oh, you. Oh my god you cut your knuckles are you okay. Are you bleeding? No I cracked them over the microphone. Oh, that's fine. I didn't hear anything.
Now that I mentioned it and then we've all talked about it and everyone knows I did it they're going to be listening to the podcast and be like, where do you do that at.
Oh, there. Okay.
Sorry, you guys to playboy. Go ahead.
Okay, and I, yeah, when my parents weren't home I would just, you know, go to the room and take out the magazine and start going to the to the comic book section and yeah, and that's when you know I started exploring my body because these magazines
got me very excited for some odd reason.
Just, just like an American pie.
Yeah, like Nadia the exchange student and just reading the magazines.
So, play. I'm glad you mentioned playboy that's I think a decent spot to segue to, because I used to collect playboys I had a subscription for a couple years.
And I have a bunch of back issues somewhere.
Before, you know, the concept of Hugh Hefner becoming problematic.
You know, for decades he was the man, you know, he was sort of the icon of male virility and sexual freedom and independent thought.
I really like I like to style like I appreciated the playboy style and I remember in college especially in my early 20s late teens. I emulated a lot of sort of the playboy aesthetics for, you know, my definition of what I thought masculinity
and manhood should be.
And I remember like several things I remember mostly that I would flex by paying for like Don Diego babies that were like playboy cigars. Yeah, I smoke cigars I would get the Don Diego babies that were from the playboy brand.
And then I remember, you know, I had a pretty steady girlfriend for a long time and her father was also a fan of the magazine he had a playboy ceramic beer mug he'd gotten from one of the playboy clubs in the 60s.
So it was it was pretty much vintage, and I had that in my collection yeah for a long time.
And just like I remember, remember going remember when I was in college I went to the mall on one of my Christmas breaks. And I remember buying like, so I would always buy the Christmas issues, I have a bunch of them somewhere, still, you know, by the Christmas
issue.
I was coming back and I ran into a girl I was going to college with who I liked, and she was cute and she looked like a playboy bunny.
And she was walking there and she said what do you got in your magazine bag us up and she played which like really, and she had this sort of weird value judgment after I'd be telling her that she was like, Oh, okay.
I was like yeah, she's like all right, whatever. And so I didn't see her again after that until about the school, and then we had had a date, and it went okay I mean, there wasn't really much chemistry.
And I, or after she and I went out, I heard her two friends that she had to leave college because she'd gotten pregnant. And she got one yes not yet.
I shouldn't left.
She got pregnant left.
And I never seen her since but she was very cute.
And she looked kind of like which play my model that she looked like the one that was married to David Borean as Brianna's.
She was on Son of a Beach.
She's Jamie something matching you press priestly, Jamie.
I was gonna bother me later, but to look it up.
I think these flexes were about playboy like style wise and money and like that kind of attitude, being a playboy of being sort of this big swing and dig big man on campus, you know, having money and having you know, a lot of girlfriends and dating
a lot being a player. And, you know, I've had a lot of money in my lifetime and I've been you know, broke living in my car, and I've been on both sides of it.
I had an Audi A4 for a couple years and there's a beautiful car and it handles well. But my guy it's expensive to take care of.
I mean, it's very expensive luxury cars. I mean you have to have the income form. It's one thing to buy them cheaply.
The other thing to be able to keep the upkeep form because they can be you know like oil changes that are normally 80 bucks can be like 120 to 140.
Depending what you have to have done, and it's just can be crazy. So yeah flexes I mean, how do you feel about guys who drop a lot of money.
I feel bad for them.
Really, because I mean,
let's just say that millionaires are millionaires for a reason, and I've been told, and it does show that like only poor people who actually care about somebody else's opinion, they buy all the designer bags like men where tons of jewelry, like you could
get robbed just wearing that jewelry wearing that Rolex like it just shows that, oh yeah, I could rob them like just like that because they're wearing really expensive stuff.
I honestly don't think that you know, having, let's just say Louis Vuitton bag, or, you know, red soul shoes is going to change anything like women show off those things to women like men don't care.
I've been told they don't care I mean I would be surprised if they did care for like a very expensive accessory.
That's a good way of looking at it. I mean, yeah if you were if you go back and you read like the millionaire next door, which is a great book I recommend, shout out to that book.
It talks about how, you know, there's a difference between being a prodigious accumulator of wealth, wealth, and an unprodigious accumulator of wealth, a UAW and a PAW, and the PAWs, you know they live modestly, they,
you know, instead of buying an Audi, they take that money and deposit it into like a real estate investment portfolio. Yeah, and get a huge return, they can in turn, you know, become cash positive with have a cash flow, instead of just having all their money
going out to an expense, which is would be the Audi.
Right though I think the downside though is that I've noticed in my life. The more I paid for things like their high ticket dollar items.
They were quality, and they lasted longer, and they were worth the money. So that's one side of it I mean you can, you know you can have like I'm not a big jewelry guy, I've worn jewelry before but right now I don't have any jewelry, and I just don't have
a need for it. Like I have a watch I never wear it. If I have to go somewhere that a watch would look good with that outfit, I will wear it and I'll clean it up and everything. Yeah. Or if I decided to get a black wedding ring, and I'll wear it, you know, the same, well that would signify that I'm a swinger.
Like, oh, black wedding ring. Yeah, that's one of those. It's one of the swinger clues. Like that upside down pineapple, or the star on your house. This can all signify, you know that you and your partner or swingers.
I did not know that now I know. Yeah. Okay, I mean it's, I mean also can just be stylistic I mean I actually have a black. I have a black wedding ring on my key chain that if I have to do as an actor if I have to do a role where I need to have a wedding band
and I'm supposed to turn on real quick, just to say here's, here's the wedding band that I'm supposed to have my character supposed to have. I remember that from like years ago when I was doing background work, you know professionally I saw I would do I was like booking work,
all the time I was making good money to because, oh yeah, you know, yeah you get that that overtime and it's like what I'm just a bank.
And then the guy that I was doing a strip club scene with I was working I was I was on a show called Banshee which I know you would love. Yeah, I was on that show and whenever they would show the strip club.
It always bring me in like several guys back because we were always the same patrons of the strip club.
And they had real dancers there and it was like a fake stage but real dancers so I miss people who I'm still friends with today that you know we're tapas dancers on that show.
And this one guy was like you know I've got this, he brought this little plastic ziploc bag. Like what's that it's like this is my jewelry that I wear when I'm shooting stuff, and it was like a selection of wedding bands.
I was like where'd you get that he said well this was an actual real wedding day I had before I was divorced. These are I bought at a pawn shop and I wear these if I need to have a character that's married, and so I thought that was kind of cool.
I have this black one somewhere, probably on my key chain I hope, because it's impossible to sell if you ever get like a one of those like fitted wedding bands that's like whatever that metal is is black, not on X, but it's like, yeah, tungsten or something.
Yeah, they're impossible to pawn no one wants to buy them. So you stuck with it pretty much for your life. So now I just have it for that reason.
That's, that's from the that's from the woman who I had the forcing with that didn't enjoy it was her engagement ring that she gave me and I was like okay this is different.
This is weird like what would you give back your engagement ring.
I was like fine, because I had to order it for everybody. But it was a pretty, it was like 10 bucks. But it was like pretty because it was like had fixed stone, and, and I think it had like a little TARDIS on it and whatnot and really,
yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, cool.
All right.
Do you have more, more questions for you. Oh yeah sure. Okay. So, as a provider.
And I noticed that when I have some friends of mine who are sex workers and they love being spoiled and they love tips, they love when their clients will buy them find things, you know, wish to you prefer do you prefer somebody buying you.
But no blocks, or, you know, like Cartier or, you know, Victoria's Secret, or would you prefer like practical gifts that was the last one again, a practical gift, like a book or movie or wine or something meaningful gift, or if they tip me because I can't really, you know, pay rent with
a bag. Like, it's either money, or a meaningful gift can go a long way because I had few people who actually listen to my podcast, and they, they remembered that I like books, I like candles.
And, you know, two of them, few of them, not just to gave me candles and gave me some books and I'm like, thank you like this is like, I don't have this book and I could.
It's, I don't know it's really meaningful. It's, because I mean, a bag is just a bag like I don't really go out much, but, you know, like I take this bag somewhere.
I don't know what it is, but, but book, I don't, I don't know I'm just, I guess I'm like meaningful gifts that actually will make me happy.
And money because I could save this money I could invest this money. And I could afford my rent with this money and groceries something that actually the basic need. Yeah, right.
And I think that's how, like her, some of her clients would be like stockbrokers. Yeah, or maybe money managers, and they would give her these tips like investment tips and ideas and stuff.
And not only would they, you know, pay for, you know, dances or companionship or whatever, but they would also say hey you know I'm gonna give you. Here's a grand and this is what I think you should do with it.
And then she'd take up on their offers. It was something that she understood, or something she'd be like, that's not really my thing I'll just take the money and whatever.
But she, she was definitely a hustler and she and she knew how to make the most of situations that she was in.
So more power to her. Yeah, more power to you girl. Yeah, exactly.
Do you have any more questions. I have. I have a client coming in at 10. That's okay.
Okay, she's finding to get ready no I have no more questions other than I hope you have fun with your client. I will he's a regular, I like him. Super nice.
Okay.
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