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Welcome to today's podcast, Escort Confessions.

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I am your host, Alexa Maxx, with my co-host, Mr. Lane.

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Thank you so much for listening and tuning in today.

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We're gonna talk about sex activism today,

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a really important subject.

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It is an important subject.

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What do you define activism as?

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I define activism as basically a call for help,

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a call for change, for something that's better and bigger than ourselves.

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And I know it sounds cheesy, but...

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I mean, sex workers, they're people too, and they have their own rights.

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Like, just like there are animal and human rights, there are sex workers' rights.

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You're absolutely right.

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And I don't mean to say that, you know, to make it sound like we're using the word right too many times.

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There's obviously the decriminalization factor involved with this.

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But not just the decriminalization, but also the fact that people in that industry,

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especially people who work as a provider to services in person,

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there's a higher rate of assault and being ripped off or, you know, having crimes committed against them.

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I guess they're personage.

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And, you know, it's a travesty because, you know, they don't...

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No one wants to be treated as anything less than human.

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And it's a dehumanization of people.

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And then you have the activism, you know, a fake activism that sort of says,

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hey, you know, we want to rescue these women and men out of this situation.

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And that's also destructive too, because, you know, you have the one side where you have,

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you know, people who are predators and the other side,

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you have people who are trying to white knight a situation that doesn't need to be white knighted.

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I mean, they don't need to come to anyone's rescue because they're autonomous adults who have made their own choices.

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And unfortunately, a lot of people are trying to lump in sex trafficking with consensual sex acts between adults.

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And that's not the case at all.

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And that's where you get a lot of people who are trying to legislate things online and attacking the industry online

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through the guise of trying to liberate people from trafficking.

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And trafficking does exist.

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I'm not saying it doesn't, but not to the same degree that you would find it in a consensual situation amongst adults.

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Yes, I mean, criminalizing sex work can increase incidents of human trafficking, just like you were saying.

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I mean, guys, since it's still illegal, you know, a lot of guys, they rape young women, they kill young women,

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and nobody knows about it.

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Like, nobody finds out about it until it's too late.

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And, you know, a lot of girls are being ripped off, like I was one of these girls.

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And there's nothing I can do about it pretty much, because it's...

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Well, I don't think the police is going to help me, because I don't like the police, and they don't like us.

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Not yet, anyway.

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And I just think that, you know, decriminalizing this work will make life so much easier.

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I mean, sex workers, they say, we're willing to pay taxes on this.

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Just, you know, everybody's going to be happy.

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Sex is one of the basic human necessities.

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If you don't have sex, all of these, you know, feelings are going to be boiled inside of you.

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And then, you know, you never know, you're going to, like, go to a sex worker and, like, end up hurting her in not a consensual way.

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So...

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It does. I understand what you're saying.

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The other aspect of it, too, is that, you know, sex is like eating, it's like drinking, it's like air.

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Without it, you know, humanity cannot continue, you can't procreate.

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And there's that sort of weird Puritan ethic that kind of comes into it, that sort of that religious patriarchy that says that, you know,

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certain things between consenting adults are morally wrong.

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And I don't like to ascribe moral issues to topics, because I'm not an expert and my moral compass is different than a lot of other people's moral compasses.

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Right? You know, I know that when you're an adult and you can make your own choices, then I don't have any...

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I shouldn't have any ability to say whether those choices are right or wrong.

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And I would never want to legislate anyone's reproductive rights, you know, whether it be abortion or whether it be contraception or whether it be the choice, you know, to how to use your body.

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And, you know, it's one thing to talk about minors in this arena that, you know, anything done with a minor is morally wrong because they're too young to make decisions on their own and they don't have that kind of autonomy.

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So, you know, you need to protect them.

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But, you know, there should be a differentiation between acts conducted, you know, with consenting adults and those who are not consenting adults.

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And you look at places, too, like in Nevada or in Europe or even Australia, where, you know, brothels are legal and where, you know, it's been not only decriminalized, but it's been legalized.

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And there is a big difference between using those two terms.

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Legalization means that, you know, you can go into a situation and you can do anything without any repercussions as long as you aren't breaking the law.

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Decriminalization just means that you will not be arrested for doing it. It's not the same thing.

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Decriminalization means that there are still, you know, like you just like if you decriminalize marijuana usage, that means you can't be arrested for having it.

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But it means you can't take it and have it in certain places, you know.

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So there's a big difference.

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So that's, you know, in my experiences of being in Nevada, like in some of the brothels there, you know,

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the women who work there are tested, I think, twice a week, you know, and they have certain regulations they have to uphold for hygiene and for health reasons that they have to sustain.

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And, you know, it's just like a business, you know, they have taxes, you have to pay sales tax on transactions.

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Tipping is different. But then again, when they do their taxes at the end of the year, I think they're 1099 contractors.

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Of course, if any of you are listening out there and you're wrong about this, let us know, because we definitely want as much input as we can for people in the profession.

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That's where we're striving to strive here with this. Right, right, Alexa?

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Right. Yeah, like with the, you know, with the workers right now.

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I mean, I think it's ridiculous that the oldest profession is still illegal and the government tries to...

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No one screws more prostitutes than the government.

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I read about it. I don't know who said it, but it's... I'm just quoting it. Recruiting it? I guess, yeah.

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And, you know, and government doesn't like us because we've banned the system.

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I mean, right now we're not paying taxes, but we still have to work on holidays on the weekends instead of, you know, we make our own schedule instead of doing it 9 to 5, punching in and out.

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And, you know, we have to pay for our own health and we don't...

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Like with our job, health insurance and dental, it doesn't come with it. We just have to find a way to, you know, make it work.

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Right, because you are an independent contractor. You're not part of any kind of like system or corporation.

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I mean, maybe you are incorporated, but you're not any part of like some mega corporation that's going to take care of you as an employee.

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But it's funny because people talk about activism as sort of being, at least some of the people I've talked to or I've seen commenting on the sex work industry as being anti-capitalist and being, you know, either communist or more like a collectivism.

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But I think it's just because labor in itself and capitalism is inherently exploitive. And, you know, if you have a transactional nature to what you do, you have a good and service you're providing and they have capital that they're going to trade for you with that.

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And all work in itself is exploitive. If you work for someone else, then you are being exploited because there's an owner and there's an employee.

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And if you're doing things on your own, you sort of are a little bit of both your own company's owner, you're owning your own means of production and, you know, making money.

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You own your own bodies. If you have a manager or a pimp, then you are technically an employee. Is that correct?

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I don't know. That's just one way of looking at it. But, you know, if you have a John or somebody who is, you know, your client or somebody that you are working with who's paying you, then you're providing that service to them.

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And so it's not even like we have to like work on a barter system where, you know, you're trading chickens for a roll in the hay, like in the old West, like in the, you know, that's Little Whorehouse of Texas.

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Yeah, or I believe it came from Chicken Ranch. Excuse me. I have a little bit of a cold. Sorry too. Yeah, we're not. We're not doing bumps of coke off each other's asses. We just had allergies.

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We're going to get the award for the sloppiest podcast.

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What is wrong with these fools? Why are they online? It's the worst. We're going to make them. If we had people that would complain, they would complain about that.

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Yeah, not any of our theoretical talking, but just the crap we're saying in between.

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So, yeah, man, I don't know if we're not way off base here because I would say we were, but I know my thoughts are pretty well formed in this area.

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And I've thought about this for a while. Yeah, about sniffing coke off somebody's butt.

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Yes. Cool.

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Oh, no, I'm not that the topic we're talking about.

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You went away for a second there. So I basically saw a study today on Yahoo News or an article, it's a study article that people in general are tired of COVID and they don't care anymore.

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They don't care about Delta. They don't care about Omicron. They didn't learn the Greek alphabet in college.

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They are just done with everything. And I did an event last night because I do some public performances and none of us were wearing masks and we were all each other's faces.

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And it reminded me of what life was like pre pandemic. Yeah. And I thought, well, I guess this is it.

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I guess we're back to this. And if we get sick, we get sick and people are just living together.

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I mean, I say that and that's reckless to say that, but I am, you know, 100 percent vaccinated and I'm about to get my booster shot.

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But I got tested for COVID the other day and I was negative.

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So that's cool. But, you know, it's just this weird time we're living in.

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And I wish I mentioned all of that because it sort of brings me back to the realms of public health, people's attitudes.

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And, you know, when you are an SWU, when you are a sex worker and you work with people, then you're not just online or virtual.

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You know, you have to worry about those kinds of things and, you know, responsible workers should definitely be tested for, you know, a list of STDs.

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And it's like that would be in the industry, like the porn industry or, you know, if you were working at a brothel that was legalized.

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And even more so during COVID, I mean, the people that I've spoken with and stuff, you know,

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have taken temperatures before they've met with their clients, you know, masks to a point limiting contact, you know,

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to within certain areas of the body that, you know, are not going to have either like mucus or, you know, breath or whatever,

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where you could transmit COVID, but just skin on skin contact.

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And that's interesting because before, you know, it was just, you know, people who would just worry about using condoms or other kind of contraception to protect against disease.

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And so, you know, people should be aware.

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Definitely you should be aware and pay attention to really good sources of information, not just what your uncle says is on Fox News or American News Network or whatever.

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Not to say that, you know, we're calling those places out, but, you know, there is fake news out there and you've got to have, you know, reputable sources,

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you know, university sources, government sources, places that, you know, there is strong science to back up what they're saying.

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And I mean, that's just my opinion.

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I guess the whole point of this is really to be opinionated about, you know, the industry and trying to make sure that we're informed and not giving out bad information.

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Yeah, definitely.

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You mentioned the STD test.

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Like, yeah, I tried to, you know, apparently there's those packets that you get.

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You can order STD test online and Amazon will ship it to you. And I didn't know about it.

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So I ordered one because, you know, never know.

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I mean, I still use condoms and whatnot, but just in case.

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So and I ordered, you know, female one week later, I open it and it's for males.

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I'm like, hold on. How do I do this?

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Do I still send it in? Will they detect something?

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I mean, yeah, it was kind of funny, but.

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Yeah. And I know, like a lot of girls, they.

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So my cat is trying to get in.

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OK. And I know a lot of girls, they put on their Twitter or accounts, you know, websites that vaccinated will not.

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Will not see unvaccinated clients because they care about my health and whatnot.

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And, you know, I think it's important.

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I mean, even if you have a slight cold, please do not see a provider because we will get sick.

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And that that compromises like our money, our time.

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Like, what if I mean, if I get sick, I'm going to be, you know, still doing stuff, but it's going to be for three days.

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But what if somebody will get sick and then she will have to not work for like two weeks?

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And that's will not be fun, but. Exactly.

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And it's something that, you know, it's a risky business in the first place because of the legality around it and,

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you know, meeting with people who are brand new that you don't know and make sure they say that.

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And so any kind of successful business is going to have inherent risk to begin with any kind of venture capitalism or any kind of startup.

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And so success is really all about mitigating your risk and limiting your risk exposure.

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And I think that's the most important thing to think about, like for anybody out there who may

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stumble upon this podcast and decide that you want to be involved in this industry and it's a great industry to be involved.

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And it really is rewarding and you can do so much good.

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And, you know, it can be something that is really positive for everyone involved.

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It can be and it has been in our experiences.

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I recommend it. It's not for everybody, but it is something that if you want to do this,

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getting into it with clear eyes and full understanding what the risks are, you know, that's how you should do it.

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But obviously, don't let anyone coerce you into doing this, whether it be a partner or somebody that, you know, is an authority figure in your life.

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That's important, too. But, yeah, minimize your risks, you know, your exposure, just be safe, safe in general anyway,

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whether it's safety and your well-being and your environment and your partners or safety and just your general health and well-being and mental health, too,

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because, you know, I touted the benefits of saying you should do that.

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But at the same time, though, it can also be somewhat isolating and it can be something that's hard to explain to family and loved ones.

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I think that's our next podcast topic is going to be about the relationships and around being a sex worker.

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But I said that's for another podcast down the road.

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And that concludes our today's podcast. Thank you so much for listening, you guys.

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We really appreciate your support and I will talk to you next time.