1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,280 I called it on YouTube somehow escort confessions, I think. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:09,120 Because I changed it from confessions to escort confessions. I felt like it should be in the 3 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:16,160 capital words and people are like, oh, I'll click and listen. Some of my clients actually 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:21,680 listened and they said, I like it. It's good. I'm like, okay, good. That's good. We passed. 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:33,440 Yes. So today I think we should talk about the socially acceptable pyramid of sex workers 6 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:43,760 from like masseuse to sugar baby to stripper to cam girl slash content creator to escort. 7 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,880 Okay, we can talk about that. Is it one of those also a wife? 8 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,160 Wife, yes. And wife is the first one. 9 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:59,680 Yeah. Or husband. We can be non sexist about this. We can say spouse. 10 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:08,960 Non-binary spouse. I know what you mean. Yeah, I went up and looked up Rose Dalla 11 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,720 on Twitter. Holler, who had that post originally following her on Twitter now. 12 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:15,920 Yeah, cool. 13 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,360 Our podcast needs a Twitter account too, by the way. We need to do that. 14 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:27,840 Yeah, she had that the hierarchy. So yeah, we'll talk about this. So Alexa, 15 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,840 have you ever been married before? No, I've been engaged twice. 16 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:39,200 Okay. I have been married and I've been engaged a lot, but I've been married once. Currently not 17 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:47,200 married. But I am with a partner and we're very good. But yeah, I could definitely see putting 18 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:54,000 your spouse on there in some degree. Yeah. So why would there be some kind of hierarchy 19 00:01:54,640 --> 00:02:00,480 of socially acceptable sex work? Let's talk about that. Why is that a thing you think? 20 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:06,480 I think it's a thing because whatever society tells us, what is socially acceptable, 21 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:14,080 we just accept it. So people wouldn't judge you as much as, for example, if you were just a massage 22 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,240 therapist, they'll be like, oh, okay, cool, cool. And then you say you're a stripper and they'll 23 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:26,080 be like, oh, okay. So do you have to do this or that? And then when you say you're an escort, 24 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:34,560 they're just like, bye. In my case anyway. I feel like it's almost a business thing kind of way, 25 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:40,640 because for example, you can be a massage therapist and work for a certain business or like a spa 26 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:48,080 and not be your own boss. And when you move up the ladder, so to speak, you're starting to become 27 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:54,080 your own boss. Like, because there are so many cam girls out there who do it full time and they make 28 00:02:54,080 --> 00:03:00,720 bank and then of course escorts, but escorts, they are either, they either can work for an agency or 29 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:10,080 become independent. That is up to them. Then I know strippers, they obviously like, I know some 30 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:18,080 strippers, they choose their own hours and some they don't. Yeah, I don't know, sugar babies. 31 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:22,720 I don't really know much about sugar babies. Well, the ones I know, 32 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:30,640 I know, very much like that with the few I've talked to. Actually, I have a friend of mine who 33 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:34,720 I talked to about this podcast who loved it, that we're doing this and she wanted to know 34 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:42,320 if she could ever get involved somehow. Yes. She is a professional dom and atrix 35 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:50,800 and part-time sugar baby. She doesn't sugar as much as she used to, but she definitely doms a 36 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:59,360 lot more. I was actually, I was with her when she was trying to screen some potential sugar daddies 37 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:05,200 and we were just kind of talking about what she was looking for. Really it was more like, 38 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:11,600 in her situation, it was more like trying to find that right mix between people who wanted 39 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:20,960 a regular companion for when they had free time and had the ways and means to offer support. 40 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,600 What she was looking for was the regular support, but also someone to spend time with as well. 41 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:36,960 She was like, I need to meet him in public, where should we go? I suggested a place 42 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:42,480 near my hometown that I actually took a prom date to. It was a really nice upscale restaurant. 43 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,720 I'm not going to say they were the restaurant, but she went, and it's the kind of place that 44 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,600 when you go to that situation, you want to set the expectations. You don't want to be like, 45 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:59,200 hey, take me to TGI Fridays and that kind of gal. Which is nothing wrong with TGI Fridays. 46 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:06,480 I heard that a bit. Or be that kind of gal. But if you want to have a set the expectations, 47 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:12,800 set the expectations, air quotes, of what experience is like, you want to shoot for the stars 48 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,320 and aim amongst the moon. Or shoot for the moon and aim amongst the stars. 49 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:24,720 She went there and she had a great time. It didn't work out because they really just could 50 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:30,720 not get their schedule synced because he traveled a lot. She had other obligations and they just 51 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:36,800 never had. They hit it off great. I think they did a little bit of transactional business. 52 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:43,520 It's her business, so I don't know. But they just never have made a full-time thing out of it 53 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,480 because schedules. Gotcha. 54 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:57,360 So I guess this guy is slightly off topic, but it's like about this sugar thing. 55 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:16,800 So I have this one friend and him and I went out to dinner and we started talking about, you know, 56 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:23,360 all this sugar babies, sugar daddies. And he's like, can you be my sugar mama? And I'm like, dude, 57 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:29,600 dude, you make more than me. Like, why? It would not work. And he's an older guy. And I'm like, 58 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:36,720 this would just be not, it'd be weird. And then here I am offering a trip to Hawaii to my 59 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:46,720 good friend who should not be named. And me and him were talking, you know, video chat and whatnot. 60 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:54,720 And he says that, well, I would love to go to Hawaii with you, but I just don't want to 61 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:01,120 feel like I'm your sugar baby because that'd be wrong. It's fun chat. 62 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:13,520 Yeah, I am totally not any kind of transactional situation at all, but definitely a power dynamic. 63 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:22,000 I have a friend of mine and she is older than me and she's an acting friend. And we had done 64 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:29,200 one of our plays together and we traveled and we were driving back together and we were passing 65 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:34,320 through her town where I had left my car. And we were going to like, you know, I was going to go 66 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,080 back and we were going back to her town where my car was. And I was going to go back home. 67 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,480 And she's like, oh, we got to stop at this thrift store. I'm like, okay. 68 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:48,320 Okay. And so she's like, oh, look at this, look at this. And she buys me an outfit, 69 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:57,280 like a matching suit, a matching suit, tie and shirt. And I'm like, I'm going to buy this. 70 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:04,960 She's like, no, I got it for you. And I'm like, no, why? I feel weird now because it's a power 71 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:13,760 dynamic, a power shift. And if I don't buy my own clothes, what do I owe you? I mean, I don't owe 72 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,880 her anything because, and then I asked some other friends and they're like, oh, she's just, she's 73 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,880 just like that. She doesn't have that idea. I'm like, well, it's weird, but that's okay. But we 74 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:26,400 can be weird. Being weird is fine. But yeah, there's definitely a power exchange. And maybe 75 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:34,080 your other friend, the one who was asking to be your sugar baby, maybe that's why he's wealthy, 76 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:39,120 why he has more money. He's asked other people to pay for things and you can save his money. 77 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:45,680 Yeah. But like everybody asks him to be like, Hey, can you be my sugar daddy? 78 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:48,480 He just says no. 79 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:59,440 I know. I do that. I mean, I'm not anyone's sugar daddy by a long shot. But I, you know, 80 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,720 I mean, and that's the thing about being married or having, you know, having that kind of relationship 81 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,680 with somebody. I mean, that's like being married because that's a whole other thing. But if you 82 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:17,040 are the person who's the provider in a relationship and you provide the money or you provide shelter, 83 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:23,200 you provide food and you're the provider and you have that dynamic with your partner, 84 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:30,320 how different is that than being someone's sugar parent? Which is a term I've never really heard 85 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:40,560 before by where your sugar parents. I like that. Yeah. So is that something that is, is it more 86 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:51,360 like a, you know, patriarchal construct that, you know, you're a provider for someone else 87 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:56,480 and maybe that's the kind of the same thing as, as, as trying to claim the only fan models that 88 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:03,760 you support on your taxes as dependents. I don't think you can do, but you should, you can try. 89 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:13,440 That's a good thing to think about too. So where are the other hierarchy? So sugar baby, sugar 90 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:26,960 parental units, stripper cam girls, as well as content providers. So we can put content providers, 91 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:38,320 creators, cam models, and phone sex operators, people who write erotic text messages, like 92 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:45,520 Brits chat, shout out to first chat who's not sponsoring this podcast, but should be. And, 93 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:50,640 you know, um, yeah, anyone who makes like many vids or anything that makes her content, see that 94 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:59,360 that's much like being a stripper or exotic dancer is entertainment and maybe kind of free speech. 95 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:07,840 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause like you can do whatever. I mean, especially if you're in your own home. 96 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:14,880 Oh, did I tell you this one time, sorry, it's a little off topic again, but did I tell you this 97 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:21,440 one time when I still lived with Michael and Matt and like I had a, I had to do somebody's 98 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:28,080 photo shoot while the guy was naked and Michael started complaining, tell me why are you doing 99 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:37,440 a nude photo shoot? And I was like, yes, because I pay for this place too. And anyway, so yeah, 100 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:43,920 because frankly you can, you can do whatever you want in your home. And yeah, I feel like 101 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:52,080 strippers don't get much love that they deserve because those girls are on such high heels 102 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:58,400 all day and they do all these crazy, crazy dances and tricks and 103 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,560 they don't get paid enough. I think, I mean, it depends on the location, but 104 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:13,440 yeah. And then, you know, they, and they're probably the most popular pop culture reference to one. 105 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,920 Yeah. I mean, um, and you know, 106 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:27,440 the ones I'm friends with, I need to let them know about this podcast. They, you know, they 107 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:37,360 hustle much like any other independent contractor, you know, 1099 self-employed person. And, you know, 108 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:43,840 they spend a lot of their money on themselves. Like, I don't mean that in any other way than 109 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:49,440 they have to treat themselves as a business. And I know a lot of entertainers who have had to have, 110 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:57,600 you know, augmentations and, you know, breast implants or lip injections or just any kind of 111 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:03,680 like, you know, blood injections and stuff, which, which like being any kind of an actor or any kind 112 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:08,720 of like, you know, performer or singer, you know, despite being in public, that costs money. You 113 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,680 need to do those kinds of things for self-improvement and, you know, you as a business work on that. So 114 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:20,880 it's definitely even, even harder as regards to, is this something you've ever thought about doing? 115 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:30,000 I actually had lip fillers for three months or so, and I did not like it. It just felt weird. Like I, 116 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:38,160 I couldn't like feel my own lips and I had to put lipstick on and then I didn't like it went all over. 117 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:47,840 I don't know. I can't, I know some, some girls can pull it off. Like this, there's this actress, 118 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:54,960 Dove Cameron, she played one, yeah, one of the least in descendants. And I did not know they were, 119 00:13:54,960 --> 00:14:01,040 I mean, I mean, I felt like they were, but they didn't look like they were. But she pulls it off. 120 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:07,840 I mean, I think so anyway, but some people, they just, they don't look good in them. But I just 121 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:16,880 think it's your own body. But at the same time, I've been told that to not get fake titties, 122 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:24,160 to not change anything. So I'm like, okay. But I know some girls, they, they have flat chest, 123 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:32,080 they want to get breasts and that's fine. But yes, it's body autonomy. You do what you want to do 124 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:40,560 with your body and all breasts matter. And you know, there are no body shaming in any capacity 125 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:48,960 at all because everyone, everyone is, is, is valid. All body types are valid. Yeah. Right on. 126 00:14:51,680 --> 00:15:01,600 Right. Let's see. What is next? Oh, massage therapists. Yes. So I have, I have another escort 127 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:08,880 friend who was, who was, who was technically fully professional, fully employed as a massage 128 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,920 therapist. And she works through a company. I'm not going to say the name of the company because 129 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:23,840 I don't want to dox her. But she's also an escort outside of that too. And she has to keep this 130 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:30,240 use out of her. She doesn't, she can't entertain clients in that capacity where she works. If she 131 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:36,800 has to do that, she has to be on her own time. Oh, okay. And I, and I, and I know, I mean, 132 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:43,440 I haven't talked to her about this in any kind of detail, but I do know that both of those professions 133 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,920 are physically taxing. Like you have to be in, in, in, in, you know, good shape and have the energy 134 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:56,560 to do one and then do the other or divide that time of your day between, you know, this kind of 135 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:03,600 energy for this kind of life and this kind of work. And then your personal time. I can imagine 136 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,920 doing anything like that with, you know, the job I have now where I'm like physically working like, 137 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,520 you know, not like, but physically working eight hours of my day and then having to go and do 138 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:22,400 something like that in my downtime or off time or, you know, non work time. Yeah. So that's gotta be 139 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:32,160 taxing. Yeah. I, I cannot even imagine. Yeah. What can I just, you know, like your friend does like 140 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:39,120 as possible because she probably has one hand stronger than the other. That's what happens. 141 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:46,240 That's what is happening to me. And I don't know, like when I started, when I first started sex work, 142 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:55,520 I became more tired and just hungry and it's, yeah, I did not know sex could take so much energy 143 00:16:55,520 --> 00:17:02,960 because I probably haven't had it as much as now, but yeah, it's definitely, I mean, well, 144 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,520 if it's crunched numbers between the next, this podcast and the next about how many exact calories 145 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:15,200 burn, well making like that, but it's, it's gotta be, it's up, it's up there. I mean, it's not 146 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:24,080 as intense as, you know, being a professional athlete, but it might as well be. So it's also 147 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:30,160 like the ones like the entertainers who are professional dancers and strippers who, who's, 148 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:35,840 you know, burn all those calories like that as well. I actually got hired to be a male stripper 149 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:44,320 years ago and I didn't do it. I don't, I just, this program has worked out where I couldn't get, 150 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:50,720 I couldn't get into, like I couldn't fulfill my shift. So I was about to move and I had to move 151 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:56,240 quicker than I was like going to. I went to the club and it's funny because the club owner, 152 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:03,280 and I quote, we're looking for more masculine men, not little, not, not twinks, 153 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:14,080 work all day, but mainly men with dad bods. And it's funny because the club manager was like, 154 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:20,240 dude, you bro, bro, you are not ripped. You don't have muscles everywhere, man. You don't have, 155 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:25,600 you don't have abs. What's up with that? No abs. So you're not in shape. I'm like, yeah, man, but 156 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:31,760 I'm confident I'm a good salesman. And then it was like, yeah, we need that. We need a daily man. 157 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,080 And then it's funny because I went with a girl that I was friends with and she's like, he's so 158 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:41,920 hot. Hire him. He's hot. Yeah, he's hot, but you know, can you do this and this? And I'm like, 159 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:47,920 well, yeah, it's funny. It's actually a predominantly gay club because, you know, men are 160 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:54,800 the biggest consumers of that kind of entertainment anyway. But it was, I said, I just, I couldn't get 161 00:18:54,800 --> 00:19:01,280 my schedule right before I had the moves to do it. So it's not even a great story really. But yeah, 162 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:09,040 I mean, you know, I worked that whole, at least for my audition. Yeah. That's cool. Thanks. Yeah. 163 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:16,560 I always wanted to go to gay club. I think they're such, they're very, very fun. Attractions 164 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:24,720 especially. Yeah. Where'd you go? I'm sorry. I got a text message with a question mark from an unknown 165 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:32,880 number. So I get that a lot. I don't know. I don't know who is that. People have so many questions. 166 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:40,960 People have so many questions. And sometimes those guys, they don't read ads and they're like, 167 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:52,560 are you available in this area? Or hi. That's it. Hello. Hello. What's next? Anyways. 168 00:19:52,560 --> 00:20:05,520 Anyways. We could talk about getting, not getting personal with clients. We can talk about separating 169 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:16,000 the boundaries between, between getting too personal with clients. Yeah. Yes. Here's a blanket 170 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:23,280 statement I'll make for work. If you are employed and you have somebody that pays you for your time, 171 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:31,280 energy, talent, and work, you should have boundaries. I have a struggle with where I work now 172 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:39,280 or the boundaries between me and my contractual obligations for what they expect of me are getting 173 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:46,160 clouded. And I don't like that. And I have to reestablish these boundaries. And even if you're 174 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:51,600 a sex worker, you have the right to boundaries between you and whatever other person you work 175 00:20:51,600 --> 00:21:03,760 with. Right? Right. How do you set boundaries? Basically, if the client decides to text me, 176 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:10,640 I'm like, okay, let's tell me what date, what time you want to see me. I'll be there. Let's set it up 177 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:16,160 instead of just, and some of them, they don't realize they don't pay attention to my ads 178 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:24,000 because I don't text for free. Like texting takes time and, and sexting takes time. Like if, if they 179 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:31,040 want to sex me, they're not going to come without, without paying me first. C-U-M. Right. 180 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:40,960 Yeah. So, they don't have to arrive. You can come, but you can also arrive. I don't know. 181 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,720 I like that. Yeah. You can arrive, arrive all over me. 182 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:57,120 Okay. Yeah. So there's that, there's a texting, sexting, then some of them, they, 183 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:03,680 some of them are more regulars, which I love more regulars, but one of them, his schedule is so 184 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:11,600 messy and very complicated. And today he, he was like, Hey Alexa, you're available at noon. 185 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:18,960 And it was like 10, 30 in the morning. And I'm like, well, I'm kind of out of town. I'm doing 186 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:25,280 stuff, but I mean, did you like pay the deposit? Did you do this? He's like, no, well, then you're 187 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:32,960 not on the schedule. Like, I'm sorry. Like you, my schedule is hectic now. And even with the regulars 188 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,760 now, they have to like pay deposits. So I have to be strict with them and I have to be kind of a 189 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:49,840 bitch. And so there's, there's another boundary. And then I had this one client and Cole, I'll, 190 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:58,240 I'll name him Cole because that's how I named him in my book. And he, him and I started, you know, 191 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:05,680 after we spent some time together, we started making only fans content because that's, I wanted 192 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:11,920 to do like boy, girl content for a while. And he was like, first one I kind of vibed with, it was 193 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:18,560 good chemistry. And we started making only fans content and we started having sex, 194 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:25,360 kind of without him paying me. So, and that's when I'm like, okay, this is not okay. And I've, 195 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:31,440 apparently he had a girlfriend and I got involved in that a little bit of drama. So I'm like, 196 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:39,200 this is not okay. I have to just, just block him, you know, ghost him. Well, I explained myself 197 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:49,680 first. So, and then I guess a week ago he contacted me. He's like, hey, I just, I just want to meet up 198 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,640 with you. I'm like, okay, you can pay me if you want to meet up with me. He's like, well, I thought 199 00:23:54,640 --> 00:24:03,120 just maybe like lunch. And I'm like, no, no Cole, I can't. So yeah, that's another boundary I had to 200 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:12,960 set. And like, I started liking this guy and that was, yeah. So I had to just cut him off 201 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,760 from my life. And, and it became so much easier and I've learned my lesson. 202 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:25,440 Yeah. And I understand that it is difficult too, because 203 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:33,280 I've always found that like attracts like, and I, you know, my relationships, my personal 204 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:39,840 relationships have always been, since, since I got divorced, I've said at the beginning of the top of 205 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:46,800 the podcast that I used to be married. But since I've got, I've been single and I've been not married. 206 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:55,840 And I've been not married. All of my relationships have been people who are similar in my proclivities, 207 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,800 in our proclivities together. And so it's never really been anything where a few times that I've 208 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:09,680 talked about my past and what I've done, you know, like the brief time I spent doing cam work as a cam 209 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:18,160 model, you know, a hundred years ago, a million years ago, you're not that old. Yeah. We're like, 210 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,760 wow, it's really something, you know, for us to more like, yeah, that's cool. And there was 211 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:31,520 never anything that was brought up again. And so it's not like it's, you know, really an issue, but 212 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:38,720 yeah, I mean, yeah, we'll, we'll talk about this, I'm sure for another podcast. Yeah. We talk about, 213 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:45,920 you know, people who you want to be intimate with in your real life versus your professional life 214 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,360 and how they feel about that. You know, I mean, one of the, I think it was talking about Rose 215 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:54,000 Dollar again, or Dollar. Yeah. I did that name wrong. Sorry. I will mention her. Everyone will 216 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,080 say it wrong, but she's talking about how boyfriends that support their SWs. Yeah. 217 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,480 Yeah. That's true. I do believe that they do have that big, big energy. 218 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:11,920 Yeah. I'm taking notes for the next podcast. Sorry. I take notes. Otherwise I forget. 219 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,600 Well, having a list of shout outs that will, when we do our Twitter, we'll start plugging 220 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:23,360 to other people across the board. They won't even get a sponsor at some point. That'd be great. 221 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:38,800 Yeah. Oh, off topic again. Jamal is almost ready with the demo reel. So yeah, he sent me 222 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:46,320 raw cut today. I can, I'm going to share it with you. Okay, cool. Thank you. 223 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:55,120 You're welcome. It looks very raw. It just needs like color grading and other stuff. So 224 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:07,840 there's that. That's awesome. I am looking through Twitter to find that reference again. Yeah. So 225 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:14,800 okay, as we're back to the hierarchy, we'll stay on track here. So we went through content creators, 226 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:21,440 and even having, and so I noticed something too that, and this is not something you can 227 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:27,360 probably quantify, but it's interesting to see a lot of people who are content creators, 228 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:35,360 who have partners that are supporting of them creating content. Yeah. Only to come out 229 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,120 a year or two later or a little while later and say, yes, my partner has been abusive, or yes, 230 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:46,480 you know, I'm in a situation where I had no control over what I was doing and I was doing 231 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:54,400 it because they were making me do this, they're agreeing me to do that. And that's something that 232 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:02,800 obviously should never happen, but hopefully those kind of people in situations like that can find 233 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,840 the freedom to be away from that kind of toxic relationship like that. But yeah, I mean, 234 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,040 sometimes occasionally you do find those partners who create content together and that's kind of 235 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:16,960 cool. It's a whole, it's like having somebody with you that's right on the same page with you 236 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:22,720 all the time that you can do this while you're, you know, can support you in personal life, 237 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:31,920 but also in your professional creative life. Yeah. Yeah. And so let's think of the kind of 238 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:41,440 things you can do. There's a gaming, creating only fan content slash content like fans, Lee or many 239 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:51,920 vids or a Sex Panther, Sexting, Night Flirt, there's all kinds of things in the industry. I don't 240 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:57,840 want to get too many shots out without getting any kind of sponsorship, but you know, I'm writing 241 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:03,360 this down because I'm not on these. Well, no, actually I did this for another friend of mine, 242 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:11,440 actually one of my ex-girlfriends started OnlyFans and I made this gigantic list of all the sites 243 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:18,320 that she can monetize her content through. It was like this huge thing, which I can send to you later. 244 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,240 I have to find it, I have to find where I have it in my, either my phone or on Facebook or 245 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,920 somewhere, say, is it PDF maybe, but yeah, it's like, it's like a hundred different sites that 246 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:35,840 she could have access to monetize her content with. We can get into, well, we should do a business of 247 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:41,760 the business kind of content and we definitely need guests. Yeah. Maybe we should ask my mistress 248 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,080 friend who was talking about being on here to be interviewed one day. We'll do a Zoom call and add 249 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:55,120 her to it. Yeah, I would love that. Future podcast ideas. Okay. Yeah. So anyway, so we get to the 250 00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:02,080 content creation and then what's after that? That's what are we getting into? Straight up escorting or 251 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:10,960 next one, a hierarchy? See wife masseuse, sugar baby stripper, camming escort. Yeah. 252 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:16,480 Escort is up there. All right. So yeah, she makes the other professional level. It's funny because 253 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:28,560 I actually, I dated briefly a cam model and she found out that I had utilized an escort before. 254 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:35,040 I had worked with an escort, you know, at some point she got really upset about that. 255 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,800 Well, yeah, she never considered what she was doing as escorting. She always had a very strong 256 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:46,560 distinction between the two, you know, and it wasn't like she was slut shaming. I just think 257 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:52,640 she was surprised. Maybe she was making assumptions about where I was coming at. I mean, I just, I 258 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,760 clicked with her. I liked her. The fact that she was a cam model was sort of after the fact, 259 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:03,280 but like I said, like creates like, you know, like attracts like when you measure people who 260 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,920 are similar to you, then you know, you tend to, if you put that energy out, then I think you tend 261 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:16,720 to get it back. But it eventually turned into a toxic situation. We just didn't work out in general. 262 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,880 But yeah, she was a little bit niffed about that. I wasn't really sure why. I mean, I knew 263 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,440 obviously there are differences and we're not intentionally trying to lump them all into the 264 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:35,600 same category. Um, vis a vis one is better than the other. I mean, I'm not saying that. I don't 265 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,360 think you're saying that either, but I'm sure that people will hear this podcast and think, 266 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:45,200 wait a minute, there's a huge distinction here. Um, yeah, we can definitely look into other places 267 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:50,240 too that would, you know, know more about the issue. But I think that's a good point. 268 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:59,760 This is a smart point to view, you know, we're not really experts in an academic sense. We 269 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,080 just have our own personal experiences to work with for our podcast. Hopefully you are entertaining. 270 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,880 But you know, how would, how do you feel? I mean, could you do all of those other things we mentioned 271 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:19,760 before? I mean, you personally, I was, yeah. Um, well, I could always be a wife. Um, I haven't 272 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:26,480 really looked into that. So I was, I was, um, at my chiropractor a few days ago and he's like, 273 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,920 so what do you do for work? I'm like, well, I'm an actor model and a massage therapist. So he's like, 274 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:38,880 okay, cool. Um, so I don't know, cause I just bought a mattress and I'm going to like do Neuru 275 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:47,920 and stuff. And, uh, so, you know, more money, more people, but, um, I don't know. I feel like 276 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:56,080 they would ask for history, like work history if I applied at the massage parlor like that. 277 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:02,160 And then over here in my area, we don't have a whole bunch and they're probably in the very ghetto. 278 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:08,560 So I don't know. I have to do research about that. Um, sugar baby, I don't know because I do not 279 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:15,120 like to be dependent on somebody because that's exactly what happened when I was engaged, when I 280 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:22,480 was in some kind of relationship and shit like that. Um, stripping, I thought about stripping. 281 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:30,160 I just have to have someone come with me to a strip club because I was feeling like, I don't know, 282 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,920 I'm going to be so shy and you know, asking for a manager who I talked to, how do I audition to be a 283 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:43,680 stripper and whatnot. Um, and Kamen I already do that. So yeah, I like Kamen because it's like in 284 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:50,400 my own environment. I can, I can do whenever I feel like doing it. So yeah. What size are you using? 285 00:33:51,120 --> 00:34:03,680 What size? Sight. What? What size are you using? No, sight. Oh, I have, I use all sizes. Um, 286 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:13,120 sights I have OnlyFans and that is it. Okay. What's the, what's the cut that OnlyFans takes 287 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:21,200 from any kind of live Kamen that you do? Uh, live Kamen, I don't know, but I take 288 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:37,520 like, I would say 90% after taxes. Maybe it's, maybe it's a little bit like, stream mates is 289 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:43,760 probably one of the bigger ones next to the live Jasmine. I think I worked with them. Okay. Stream 290 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:51,120 mates. It was like 70, 30, they took 70% and we had 30%. I mean, that was, it's been a while ago. I 291 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:58,880 don't know if it's 100% like that now. Um, but that's because they have really high overhead. Um, 292 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:05,040 for me, cause you know, when you go to Pornhub and you see like the live video feed, that's, 293 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:10,720 that's stream mates. And what they do is if you're on Pornhub or if you're on like xxn.com or like 294 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:17,200 xvideos live or whatever, whatever aggregate site you're on and it has their live version, they 295 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,760 usually farm that out to stream mates. They put up their banner around the outside of it to match 296 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,840 whatever the site you're at. So it's like Pornhub live or xvideos live, what have you. Um, so you're 297 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:34,080 paying for that kind of marketing. And so if you're one of the top performers, they'll put you live 298 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:42,480 on that banner. And so like, you know, you being bilingual and you know, Russian cam models are 299 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:51,440 very much high demand. Oh, okay. The ones I've seen on there always remind me of like Eastern 300 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:58,160 promises, the film where he goes and there's like a brothel, they're wearing like the brothel in the 301 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:07,840 back. And I can just imagine like a big warehouse with like little cubicles of like into a bedroom 302 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,400 and like little cam models and there's like a web server and they've all got their, you know, they've 303 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:18,640 got their, you know, servers behind there. They've got like, you know, these big, you know, Russian 304 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:27,920 outside. Yeah, but the independent Russian doll would do well, I think on those 305 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:35,680 campsites. Oh yeah, I mean I was, when I was still living with a friend of ours, I was 306 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:45,840 I was talking with a friend of mine who I, what is it, who I met on Mr. Mercedes, the TV show, 307 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:53,840 and he was making, you know, good money on Pornhub, but he was ugly. So it was just a video of 308 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:59,040 him masturbating and I'm like, okay Perry, I think I'm gonna register on it too, so. 309 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,880 Was he the guy with glasses? Was he really tall with glasses? 310 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:12,720 No, no, he did not wear glasses. He was very skinny. Oh wait, no, our friend of ours, yeah, yeah, 311 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,680 but no, he's not on Pornhub. That's like, my friend is on Pornhub. 312 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,360 I'm talking about your friend. 313 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:28,400 Oh no, no, no glasses. Because there was a guy on Southlake Hill who was very skinny and very tall 314 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,800 with glasses. He was very obnoxious and he was doing the same thing. He was telling me about it. 315 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:41,680 I'm like, yeah, I know. Okay, I know. Okay, cool. He kept telling me all about it. I'm like, yeah, 316 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,360 I get it. I understand. Okay, cool. If you buddy. 317 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,800 What was he saying exactly? 318 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:55,440 He was just talking about how much money he made doing it. He was a cam model and all this stuff 319 00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:02,160 and was bragging about it, but he was also very loud and he kept wandering away from set. 320 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,280 And the PA was like, what are you doing? Come back here. Where are you going? He's like, 321 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,320 go over there. Don't go over there. Come back. I don't know if you've never seen South of Hell, 322 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:17,040 because no one's seen South of Hell. But we were in this scene where we were all wearing these big 323 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:26,080 robes and we had to be this gigantic horde of demons in robes, like monk robes. And it was 324 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:31,280 really terrifying. It came out on Halloween and Mina Savare was in it and she was super amazing. 325 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,720 But this dude was very tall. He had all of these tall guys together. He was just like a ball of 326 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:42,400 energy and he wouldn't shut up about it. And you're talking to everybody about it. And everyone was 327 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:48,640 like, look, first of all, you're talking too much. Second of all, we don't care about what you do in 328 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,600 your personal life that involves around sex. A lot of us are uncomfortable talking about it. 329 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,840 And third, I know exactly what you're talking about. So you have to try to impress me with it. 330 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:08,480 But anyway, apparently it's not the same what you're talking about. No, but my friend, he was 331 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:17,040 very skinny, blonde hair. I think he had blue eyes, but he talked with a very southern accent 332 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,840 and he was very loud. But you would definitely remember him. Yeah. If you met him, of course. 333 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:31,280 So yeah, but no, no, not the same guy. Oh, I know you're talking about now. You do? Yes. How did you 334 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,960 meet him? Where did you work? I didn't meet him at your house. Okay. We'll go back to this after the 335 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:43,920 podcast. We're definitely not doxed, meeting by today. Nobody gets doxed on this show. Oh, yes. 336 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:52,880 Right. Right. Now. Are you sure you met him? Based on that description. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Cool. Yeah. 337 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,440 Yeah. Well, no one gets that's the other goal of the show is we're not going to dox anybody. 338 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,480 We're talking about you. We're using a name. It's a name you've given us or name you publicly have to 339 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:15,600 talk about. No one personally gets doxed. We're using fake names. No. Okay. But you can call me. 340 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:22,320 I'm still Mr. Lane. Okay. I don't care who does that. Mr. Lane is in the house, yo. 341 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:33,920 Okay. Okay. This has been fun. Yes. Thank you. So, I mean, I cannot. I mean, my ex-wife 342 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,720 talking about being married again for a second. It's funny. People always talk about like 343 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:48,160 transactional power exchanges. And if you are, you know, traditionally Southern or in the Bible belt 344 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:58,000 or some kind of Baptist type of Protestant and you subscribe to the, you know, 345 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:05,600 wife should be submissive to the man kind of paradigm, then yeah, that's definitely the 346 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:10,800 ultimate power exchange. And not that we're going to see those kind of people, you know, 347 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:19,920 or their own kind of prostitute or sex worker, but it's still pretty, all of that description 348 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:30,640 sounds awful, but also sounds like a lot of fun. It was consensual. Because consensual is caring. 349 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,920 So men, husbands who are listening to this podcast, if you want to have some extra spicy 350 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:46,800 relationship, next time you and your, your wife, husbands and wives, or any kind of other marriage, 351 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,360 wives and wives, husbands and husbands, next time you have sex with your partner and you're done, 352 00:41:52,080 --> 00:42:05,120 cash out them $200. Yeah. You'll absolutely love it. And then maybe when you're done and they come 353 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,440 to you and say, look, all the money you gave me for sex, I waited, I invested in the stock market 354 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,320 and I bought this brand new Mercedes Benz for you for Christmas. You can look at them and say, 355 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:42,320 I should have given you all my business. Anyway. All right.