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This evening we are continuing in this series

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of some things hard to understand. Peter said

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at the conclusion of his second epistle that

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Paul had written some things hard to understand.

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Now Peter himself was guilty of that, I think,

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because he wrote some things that are difficult

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for me to understand. And you have shared with

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me some of the verses in the New Testament that

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have been a difficulty for some of you to interpret

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and understand. As I examined those suggestions

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from you, it seems as though some of them fell

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into groupings. And tonight we're going to take

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a group of the verses that you have asked about.

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They are verses that deal with the matter of

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the charismatic movement. And the title of the

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message is Charismatics, the True and the False.

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I want to hasten to say before I begin that I

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have no desire to... with anyone on this subject,

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nor do I want to offend or to hurt anyone who

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may be of a different conviction about this than

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myself. But I do believe that it's important

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that we gain a biblical perspective on this phenomenon

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which is so prevalent in so very many churches.

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There are those who say, well, there's so much

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being done that it must be of God. Others say,

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I think we're heading for a new Pentecost. Some

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say, I don't think we should criticize what's

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going on because we may accidentally or unknowingly

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fight against what God is doing. It is true that

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there are many things going on. There are many

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claims that are being made. There is a mushrooming

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involvement within the charismatic movement.

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This is promoted to, I think, some degree. by

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the very many programs that are on television

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that are of a charismatic nature. The leaders

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of these programs are often very excited type

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personalities, dynamic people, and they are ones

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who easily persuade and easily draw people after

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them. I believe that the growth of the charismatic

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movement is due in part to... The fact that there

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are many Christians who are defeated or immature,

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and because of this, they long to find victory.

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They long to find some answer for growth in their

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lives. They perhaps belong to churches which

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are cold in their love, deficient in their spiritual

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power, or dead in their orthodoxy. And as a result

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of that, they long to find a fellowship of people

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where there is a genuine love and a hunger for

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God, where there is a warm fellowship and a desire

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for a meaningful relationship with the Lord.

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I think, too, that our whole society is predisposing

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people toward this kind of teaching because our

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society is more and more, it seems, feelings

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-oriented. Truth and right are measured by what

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feels good. This is the result of the philosophy

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of existentialism, which has pervaded our culture.

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It is vital for us who know and love the Lord

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Jesus Christ and who believe the Word of God

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to understand what the Bible says regarding this

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phenomenon called the charismatic movement. To

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be sure, in 30 minutes or so, we're not going

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to say everything that could be said regarding

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this movement and what the Bible has to say.

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My desire is to say enough at least that you'll

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understand where we as a church are, and perhaps

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it will prick your mind or stimulate you to do

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your own studying regarding it. It is easy for

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us to get lost in the fog of all that is being

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claimed and said these days. Therefore, we need

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the light of God's Word to give us an infallible

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direction as to what is of God and what may not

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be of God. The first thing I'd like for us to

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do is to get an understanding, a biblical understanding

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of the term charismatic. What does that mean?

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The English word comes from actually two Greek

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words, charisma and charismata. Both of these

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Greek words are rooted in another basic root

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word called charis or grace. The charisma or

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charismata in the Greek refer to grace gifts,

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that which is given by grace. Thus you can see

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where the name charismatic comes from. It is

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referring to those gifts, spiritual gifts, given

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by the grace of God. Now we see this term used

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a number of times in the New Testament. I would

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ask you to turn first to Romans chapter 12 and

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verse 6. You'll not see it in the English. You'll

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have to take my word for it if you don't have

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a Greek New Testament. That here is the word

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charisma. Romans chapter 12 and verse 6. He says,

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And since we have gifts, charisma, that differ

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according to the grace given to us, let us exercise

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them accordingly. And so very clearly the subject

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here is the spiritual gifts that God gives to

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us graciously. These are not gifts that we somehow

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work for or deserve. but they are special spirit

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-given abilities, seven of them listed here in

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this context, which God gives to His people for

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exercise and ministry within the local church,

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the body of Christ. We see the term used again,

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in fact, several times in the book of 1 Corinthians.

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1 Corinthians 1, verse 7. The apostle says to

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these believers in Corinth, You are not lacking

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in any charisma, awaiting eagerly the revelation

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of our Lord Jesus Christ. So he tells them that

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they are not lacking in any of the spiritual

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gifts, and to be sure that was true. They were

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being exercised in the church to the point of

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even abuse. And then in chapter 12 of this same

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book, the word is used several times. I'm not

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going to take the time now to look at those.

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but the references are verses 4, 9, 28, and 31

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of chapter 12. In 1 Timothy 4 .14, 2 Timothy

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1 .6, again, the same Greek word is used from

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where we get the word charismatic. It is used

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a final time, I believe, in 1 Peter chapter 4,

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and I will ask you to turn there. 1 Peter chapter

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4 and verse 10. He says, as each one has received

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a special gift, a charisma, employ it in serving

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one another as good stewards of the manifold

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grace of God. It is clear from what is said in

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verse 10 that every person who is a believer

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in Jesus Christ has some of these gifts. There

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is absolutely no exception to that. He says,

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each one has received a special gift. Therefore,

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it is proper for us to say that all believers

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are charismatic. We're not charismatic in the

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narrow sense of the way that term is used today

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in some circles. But we are all charismatic because

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all of us who are believers in Jesus Christ possess

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charismata, spiritual gifts that the Holy Spirit,

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by grace, has invested in us. It is also important

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for us to note that nowhere are we told to seek

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any of the gifts as individuals. Indeed, when

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they are spoken of, they are always spoken of.

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as having been given to us. Not something that

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we get as believers after we're saved, but something

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that has been given. For example, this verse

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we're looking at. Each one has received. Not

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each one should receive or should seek a special

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gift, but it's something that has taken place

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already in our past. And any time you find spiritual

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gifts spoken of, They're always spoken of in

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that sense as something that we already possess,

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not something that we are to seek. Ah, yes, somebody

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says. But doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible

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that we are to seek the best gifts or the greater

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gifts, something like that? Well, let's turn

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to that passage, 1 Corinthians chapter 12. After

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talking about the gifts, and he's certainly not

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finished, but he's given an overview in chapter

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12. He says in verse 31, earnestly desire the

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greater gifts. In other words, the ones listed

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first in the list he has just given in the previous

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verses. Ones like prophecy. which he is going

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to talk about in chapter 14, prophecy which is

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an equivalent to preaching the Word of God, expounding

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the Word of God. He says, earnestly desire the

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greater gifts. So there aren't we told to earnestly

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seek and to desire the greater gifts. Well, if

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you look at the context here, the Apostle Paul

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is not telling individuals as individuals to

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seek the greater gifts. but he is talking to

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that church that already possesses all the gifts,

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and he is saying to them as a church, rather

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than emphasizing and seeking out the lesser of

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the gifts, tongues in particular in their case,

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he says, you as a church seek out and earnestly

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desire the greater of the gifts. He is saying

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to them as a church, not as individual people

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within the church, that they are to emphasize.

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I would call your attention to a verse earlier

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in this same chapter, verse 11, where it says

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regarding the Holy Spirit that He distributes

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to each... believer individually just as he wills.

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In other words, it is not my prerogative as a

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Christian to say, I want this gift and that gift.

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The gifts that I possess are given to me sovereignly

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by the Holy Spirit. I am nowhere commanded to

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seek gifts of the Spirit. The Spirit of God gives

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me those gifts at the moment that I'm saved.

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He does it sovereignly by His choice. He knows

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my personality. He knows my background. He knows

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my natural talents. And He gives me spiritual

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gifts that mesh together and fit together with

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the kind of person that He has made me. And so

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don't be pressured into thinking that there are

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certain spiritual gifts that you should seek.

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Nowhere are we commanded to seek spiritual gifts.

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The Holy Spirit gives them sovereignly by His

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own choice. Now there may be an experience such

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as I've heard some describe. in which later on

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in their Christian life, they begin to develop

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an ability, a spirit -given ability that they've

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not seen before. That does not necessarily mean

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that they have suddenly received a new gift.

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But what has happened is that suddenly that gift

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that has been dormant in them since the time

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of their new birth has suddenly now begun to

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be developed. and exercised in ministry, but

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its presence has been there all along. Now there

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are some statements that are frequently heard

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from certain charismatic leaders, and I think

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that we must be fair to say that it is difficult

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to generalize regarding what the charismatics

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teach because there are a variety of teachings

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under that large umbrella. Some of them would

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be closer to what we believe than others of them.

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But I'm going to select four commonly heard teachings

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among the charismatics, and I'd like for us to

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examine these in the light of the Word of God

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to find out if they are true or false. Now, it

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really makes no difference what I may think about

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them or what I have experienced. I must look

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at what is claimed or what is taught through

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the lens of God's infallible Word. I must trust

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Him to give me the right perspective and focus

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upon this teaching so that I can see it clearly.

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One teaching is this. that there is a baptism

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in or of the Holy Spirit subsequent to salvation.

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And we are told that we should seek that baptism

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in the Holy Spirit. One of those who teaches

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this is a television evangelist by the name of

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Jimmy Swaggart. I have here an article which

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is in some... spots an amazing article. And Mr.

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Swaggart says this, for example. It's titled,

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The Baptism in the Holy Ghost. There is controversy

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today as to whether one receives the Holy Spirit

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at the moment of conversion. Actually, the only

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proper answer to this question is yes and no.

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The activities of the Holy Spirit are many. He

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is a comforter, He is a leader, He is a teacher,

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He is a communicator, He is a guide, He is director

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of all God's activities on earth today. So, when

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the sinner comes to the moment of salvation,

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certainly he has received the Holy Spirit within

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the context of having been influenced by Him.

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So, in that sense, he's received the Holy Spirit,

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says Mr. Swigert. He's been influenced by the

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Holy Spirit. However, to assume that contact

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with the Holy Spirit is the same as immersion

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in or partaking of can lead to erroneous doctrine.

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This can handicap a Christian in his efforts

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to walk fully in harmony with the wishes of God.

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Unfortunately, not every believer has the baptism

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in the Holy Spirit, even though every believer

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can have it if he desires it. Salvation and the

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baptism in the Holy Spirit are two separate and

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distinct experiences. In the article, he goes

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on to argue from his perspective as to why there

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is a subsequent experience after salvation called

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the baptism in the Holy Spirit, and that we are

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to seek that. Now, the interesting thing about

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this whole matter of the baptism in the Holy

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Spirit is this. that never once do you find a

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single word of command in the New Testament to

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seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Not once.

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When there is a word regarding it, it is a word

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of instruction to the disciples to wait for it

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in Jerusalem until it came. Now we find this

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in Acts chapter 1. I'd like you to turn there

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and look with me. Acts chapter 1. We have here

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the record of the Lord Jesus' last comments to

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the disciples before he ascended back to heaven.

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In verse 4, And gathering them together, he commanded

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them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for

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what the Father had promised, which he said,

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You heard from me. For John baptized with water,

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but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit

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not many days from now. And so there we do have

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a command relating to the baptism of the Spirit,

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and it was that they were to wait in Jerusalem

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until they would experience it. And of course,

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that is exactly what they did. They waited those

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ten days from His ascension until the day of

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Pentecost, and the Holy Spirit came. The Holy

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Spirit came on the day of Pentecost to begin

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His New Testament ministry and to indwell believers

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and to baptize believers spiritually. You see,

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the baptism of the Holy Spirit in a biblical

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context is the work of the Holy Spirit placing

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us into the body of Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians

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12. And I'd like you to turn over there and look

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at that a moment. Keep your finger here and ask

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because we're coming back. But 1 Corinthians

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12, 13 is such a key passage relating to this.

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The Apostle Paul could well have said to us here,

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you must seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

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After all, he's talking about spiritual gifts.

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He's talking about the work of the Holy Spirit.

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Certainly if we were to seek it, he would have

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said something at this point, but he says nothing

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regarding our seeking it. He says rather in verse

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13, 1 Corinthians 12, For by one Spirit we were

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all baptized into one body. That, my friend,

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is the baptism in the Holy Spirit. It is the

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Holy Spirit baptizing us, immersing us, placing

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us into the body. The church, universal, uniting

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us to Jesus Christ, identifying us with Him.

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And notice it says, we were. That is the aorist

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tense in the Greek. It's hard to relate that

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to English, but what it means is it happened

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once and for all, never to be repeated. And it

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says we were all baptized. Not some, not those

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who sought it, not a few who were spiritual,

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but we were all baptized by the Holy Spirit.

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He says, since Pentecost, this baptism of the

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Holy Spirit has been spoken of as an accomplished

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fact. Not something that we're to wait for, not

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something we're to plead for, but something that

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happened to us. Well, you say, I wasn't there

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at Pentecost. No, we weren't literally there,

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but spiritually we were there. The moment that

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you and I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, at

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that instant, we are placed into the body of

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Jesus Christ. It is not something that we experience.

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We don't feel it happening to us. We may even

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be ignorant of it. But it nonetheless happens

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at that very moment that we are saved. We are

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at that moment united with what the Holy Spirit

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began, gave birth to on the day of Pentecost.

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It is a work of the Holy Spirit which is simultaneous

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with saving faith in Jesus Christ. It gives us

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a new association. And so this teaching that

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there is a baptism of the Holy Spirit, that we

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are to seek subsequent to salvation, is a false

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teaching in the light of the Word of God. A second

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teaching that is heard is that the sign of the

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baptism of the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues.

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All should, therefore, seek to speak in tongues.

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And again, Mr. Swaggart emphasizes this in this

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article. He says, received the Holy Ghost. It

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is certainly not the only evidence, but we believe

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it is the initial evidence. In other words, unless

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you've had that experience, he says, you have

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not been baptized in the Holy Ghost. We believe

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and teach that any preacher, teacher, or church

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which does not acknowledge and proclaim the mighty

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baptism in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of

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speaking in other tongues is remiss in their

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teaching. and will spiritually weaken those who

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depend on them for guidance. Sending a Christian

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into the world without the Holy Spirit is tantamount

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to sending a soldier into battle without a weapon.

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And so he is clearly saying in this article that

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we do not have the Holy Spirit, we do not possess

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the Holy Spirit, until we come to that subsequent

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work that he calls the baptism. And when we get

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that baptism, we will. Now, the supposed basis

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for this teaching, again, is in the book of Acts.

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And you will remember that several weeks ago,

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I said that we must be careful of basing a doctrine

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solely upon what the book of Acts teaches. The

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book of Acts is a transitional book. It is a

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book that spans the gap between the old and the

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new, between Israel as a nation and the church

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as God's new people. in this age because of it

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is a transitional book before we base a doctrine

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on a verse from the book of acts we must be sure

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that it's consistent with the rest of what the

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new testament teaches for the new testament is

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a progressive revelation well here in acts chapter

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2 it says when the day of pentecost had come

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they were all together in one place and suddenly

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there came from heaven a noise like a violent

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rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where

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they were sitting. There appeared to them tongues

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as of fire, distributing themselves, and they

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rested on each one of them. And they were all

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filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak

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with other tongues as the Spirit was giving them

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utterance. Now we really should note that it's

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at least interesting that the term baptism in

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the Holy Spirit has not been used in Acts chapter

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2. The word is filling here. But we must quick

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also point out that this is the fulfillment of

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the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which Jesus had

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prophesied. On this occasion, there was some

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phenomena that took place. There was the sound

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of this mighty rushing wind, the tornadic type

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sound. There was the appearance of tongues of

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fire that was above the heads of each of the

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disciples. And they were given then the ability

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to speak in what are called glossolalia, these

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other tongues. Now, what are these? Well, the

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context here, and I pointed this out just recently,

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so I'm not going to take time to look at the

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verses in detail, but the context here clearly

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says that these were foreign languages which

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they had not learned. They were not speaking

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in some kind of an angelic or heavenly language

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here, but they were speaking in dialects. which

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were understood by the people gathered there

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in Jerusalem for the Feast of Pentecost from

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all over the world. They marveled that they heard

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these disciples speaking in their languages.

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The disciples had never studied those languages.

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They were common and ordinary, and we could say

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in the right sense, even ignorant, unlearned

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men. And yet they were speaking in these many

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multiplied languages, a miracle produced by the

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Holy Spirit, a miracle of known languages. And

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so we are told, now that's what happened on Pentecost

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and what we need today is a new Pentecost. What

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we need today is a new Pentecost to take place.

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May I say to you that we can no more repeat Pentecost

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than we can repeat the cross of Calvary. The

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work of Pentecost is as much a once for all work

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of God as the work of Jesus Christ on the cross

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and at the empty tomb. What happened on that

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day was a very special thing. And there were

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parts of this that were repeated again. Now remember

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that it's totally Jews at this point who are

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believing in Christ as a result of the preaching

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of these apostles in tongues. It is a totally

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Jewish church at this point. But God's purpose

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was for it to broaden out to the Gentiles. And

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that begins to happen as we move over in Acts

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to chapter 8. It first goes to those who were

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half -breeds, half -Jew, half -Gentile, the Samaritans.

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Now the gospel went to them. Many of them were

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believing, being saved. And it says in verse

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14 of Acts 8, Now when the apostles in Jerusalem

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heard, that Samaria had received the word of

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God, they sent Peter and John who came down and

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prayed for them that they might receive the Holy

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Spirit. You say, well, they believed and yet

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they had not received the Holy Spirit yet. That

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is true. That is true in this particular case.

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Now, why was it that God did not give them the

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Holy Spirit the moment that they believed? Why

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were these apostles from Jerusalem necessary?

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having to be present for them to receive the

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Holy Spirit. You see, it was absolutely vital

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to provide for the unity of that infant church,

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else there likely would have been a Jewish church

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and a Samaritan church. But God wanted to emphasize

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to these Samaritans that what they had received

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was actually from the Jews. As Jesus told that

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woman of Samaria in John chapter 4, salvation

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is of the Jews. And so it was essential that

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someone from Jerusalem come down and that those

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Samaritans understand that what they were going

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to experience was actually the same thing that

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had happened in Jerusalem. And it was important

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for the Jews in Jerusalem to know that too. And

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so what happened? Well, it says he had not yet

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fallen upon any of them. They had simply been

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baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. But it

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says then they began laying their hands on them

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and they were receiving the Holy Spirit. Notice

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it does not say that there were any tongues involved

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in this. To say that there were tongues here

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is to argue from silence, and that's a weak thing

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to do forever. We should never argue from silence.

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It simply says that they did receive the Holy

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Spirit at this point, but it says nothing about

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the supernatural phenomena that took place at

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Pentecost. Now turn over to chapter 10. And here

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we see the first full -blooded Gentile. being

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saved and brought into the body of Christ. His

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name was Cornelius. In chapter 10, verse 44,

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Peter has preached to this man, and by the way,

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he is acquainted with the Jews' religion. He's

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a God -fearing Gentile, but he's not saved. He's

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a full -blooded Gentile. So Peter comes in to

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preach the gospel to him. He does it. And right

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in the middle of his sermon, imagine this, he

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didn't even get to the invitation. An amazing

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thing happened. While he was still speaking these

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words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who

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were listening to the message. What was happening?

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As Peter was preaching, they were responding

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in faith. They didn't need just as I am with

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four verses at the end of a sermon. They were

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responding immediately as he was preaching the

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gospel to them. And as they responded in faith,

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immediately they were saved and the Holy Spirit

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fell upon them. Notice there is not subsequence

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here. There is not a second work. But immediately

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the Holy Spirit came upon them. And it says all

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the circumcised believers, that is the Jews who

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had come with Peter, were amazed because the

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gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out upon

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the Gentiles also. They were hearing them speaking

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with tongues and exalting God. And so on this

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occasion there was that phenomenon of tongues.

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Now why did God cause it to happen here? Well,

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I think the answer is clear, that he wanted again

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the Jews in Jerusalem who hated Gentiles to understand

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that what was happening among the Gentiles was

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fully 100 % of God, that they were just as much

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a part of the church, that they belonged to Jesus

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Christ as much as the Jews, and that without

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becoming Jews first, but being circumcised. And

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so he demonstrated this by giving them the Holy

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Spirit and the speaking in tongues. Not the fire,

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not the sound of the wind, but that evidence

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of the speaking in other tongues. Now, there's

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only one other time in the book of Acts when

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tongues are mentioned. In all the people who

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are saved in Paul's missionary journeys, only

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one time do we find tongues ever mentioned. And

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again, it has a Jewish connection. Chapter 19

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of Acts. I'm hurrying, folks. Believe me. Verse

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1, And it came about that while Apollos was at

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Corinth, Paul, having passed through the upper

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country, came to Ephesus and found some disciples.

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It does not say believers. It does not say Christians,

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but they were disciples. And we'll find out in

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a moment whose disciples. He said to them, Did

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you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?

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Now why did he ask them that question? Because

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he knew that when a person believed, they should

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receive the Holy Spirit at that moment. Not something

00:32:55.470 --> 00:32:59.930
they wait for, seek, pray for. He says, when

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you believed, did you receive the Holy Spirit?

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And they said, no, we've not even heard whether

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there is a Holy Spirit. And he said to them,

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into what then were you baptized? And here they

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tell who their leader was. They said, into John's

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baptism. So who were these Jews? They were men

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who had heard about John's proclamation, John

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the Baptist's proclamation about the coming Messiah,

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but they had not to this point ever heard about

00:33:29.019 --> 00:33:33.940
Jesus Christ. Their hearts were prepared. They

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had heard about the baptism unto repentance,

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which John taught, but they had never been saved.

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These were not saved men at all. wonderfully

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prepared, but they had never heard the gospel

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yet. And so Paul said to them, John's baptized

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with the baptism of repentance, telling the people

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to believe in him who was coming after him, and

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that is Jesus. Now Luke undoubtedly condenses

00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.359
what Paul said. So he began to tell them about

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Jesus. And when they heard this, they were baptized

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in the name of the Lord Jesus. Water baptism.

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Why were they water baptized? Because they had

00:34:15.139 --> 00:34:17.659
believed in him. And it says, when Paul had laid

00:34:17.659 --> 00:34:20.500
his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on

00:34:20.500 --> 00:34:23.219
them and they began speaking with tongues and

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prophesying. So Paul prayed for them. He laid

00:34:26.940 --> 00:34:29.139
hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit.

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Now why? The answer is that here were Jews who

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once again needed to understand that what was

00:34:36.380 --> 00:34:38.739
taking place to them was related right back to

00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:43.710
Jerusalem to the day of Pentecost. They were

00:34:43.710 --> 00:34:47.530
not to start a new movement that was called the

00:34:47.530 --> 00:34:49.710
disciples of John the Baptist who loved Jesus.

00:34:51.449 --> 00:34:54.329
They were to lay aside their old discipleship

00:34:54.329 --> 00:34:56.829
and their old leader, and they were now to be

00:34:56.829 --> 00:34:59.309
a part of what the Holy Spirit had begun on the

00:34:59.309 --> 00:35:02.130
day of Pentecost, and what they experienced on

00:35:02.130 --> 00:35:08.780
this occasion was the evidence of that. And so

00:35:08.780 --> 00:35:12.019
we see here the only four occasions after Acts

00:35:12.019 --> 00:35:15.579
2 when tongues are mentioned, or three occasions

00:35:15.579 --> 00:35:20.119
rather. Now the teaching is the sign of the baptism

00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.099
of the Spirit is speaking in tongues and all

00:35:22.099 --> 00:35:25.860
should speak in tongues. Would you turn over

00:35:25.860 --> 00:35:27.739
to 1 Corinthians chapter 12 a minute and look

00:35:27.739 --> 00:35:33.440
at verse 30? Paul is talking about two people

00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:39.860
here who were all baptized by the Spirit. Verse

00:35:39.860 --> 00:35:46.519
13. Down in verse 30, he says, All do not have

00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:51.300
gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak

00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:55.840
with tongues, do they? Do you see the point there?

00:35:57.800 --> 00:35:59.900
Here are people who have been baptized with the

00:35:59.900 --> 00:36:02.760
Holy Spirit, but Paul writes to them and he says,

00:36:02.820 --> 00:36:04.920
You're not all speaking with tongues, are you?

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And the rhetorical answer is no. That is the

00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.539
accepted answer. As he writes that, they were

00:36:10.539 --> 00:36:13.480
not all speaking in tongues. Some of them were,

00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:16.619
legitimately, though they were abusing the gift.

00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.820
But tongues was a legitimate gift for that church.

00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:23.099
But not all of them were. And therefore, in the

00:36:23.099 --> 00:36:26.000
basis of what the Word of God says, this teaching

00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:28.500
that all should speak with tongues as a sign

00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:32.860
of the baptism of the Holy Spirit is false. Remember

00:36:32.860 --> 00:36:38.030
that tongues was a sign gift. And it was a sign

00:36:38.030 --> 00:36:41.610
not to believers, but according to chapter 14,

00:36:41.869 --> 00:36:45.889
verses 21 and 22, it was a sign primarily to

00:36:45.889 --> 00:36:49.530
the Jews, unbelieving Jews, national Israel,

00:36:49.829 --> 00:36:53.809
that judgment was coming. Judgment was coming

00:36:53.809 --> 00:36:56.909
upon them as a nation. And they would not hear

00:36:56.909 --> 00:36:59.530
the clearly spoken word of God and accept their

00:36:59.530 --> 00:37:02.760
Messiah. Therefore God was giving them this phenomenon

00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.860
in which they were hearing people speak in languages

00:37:05.860 --> 00:37:09.400
they did not understand. And that was a sign

00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:11.659
to them of judgment, just as happened back in

00:37:11.659 --> 00:37:18.159
the day of Isaiah. There's a third teaching of

00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:20.760
some charismatics, and that is that direct revelation

00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:24.840
is still given by God to believers. And this

00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:28.710
revelation is given through tongues. through

00:37:28.710 --> 00:37:30.829
interpretation of tongues, which really go together,

00:37:30.889 --> 00:37:33.989
the two of them, by words of knowledge and wisdom,

00:37:34.190 --> 00:37:38.289
by prophecies, and by what are called rhemas.

00:37:41.210 --> 00:37:44.130
I occasionally tune in to a television broadcast

00:37:44.130 --> 00:37:46.769
in which some people pray for the sick and get

00:37:46.769 --> 00:37:49.550
words of knowledge as to who is being healed.

00:37:49.650 --> 00:37:53.090
Maybe you have seen that as well. At least they

00:37:53.090 --> 00:37:56.630
call that words of knowledge. As best as we understand

00:37:56.630 --> 00:37:59.170
what the words of knowledge and wisdom were in

00:37:59.170 --> 00:38:01.670
the Old Testament, it is not related to what

00:38:01.670 --> 00:38:04.510
is called today by some people the words of knowledge.

00:38:05.210 --> 00:38:07.429
As a matter of fact, what takes place there on

00:38:07.429 --> 00:38:10.269
television could be done by somebody who doesn't

00:38:10.269 --> 00:38:13.190
even claim to have the words of knowledge. But

00:38:13.190 --> 00:38:15.309
when you are telecasting to multiplied millions

00:38:15.309 --> 00:38:17.269
of people and you are saying, now there's somebody

00:38:17.269 --> 00:38:19.210
out there who's being healed of this and that,

00:38:19.789 --> 00:38:21.449
Somewhere out there, you're going to find somebody

00:38:21.449 --> 00:38:23.250
who suddenly had some kind of an experience,

00:38:23.389 --> 00:38:24.570
and he's going to call in and say, hey, that

00:38:24.570 --> 00:38:28.250
was me. And God gave you that information about

00:38:28.250 --> 00:38:31.369
me, didn't he? When in fact, that may not have

00:38:31.369 --> 00:38:34.650
been the case at all. But simply the mathematical

00:38:34.650 --> 00:38:38.690
likelihood of that happening has taken place.

00:38:40.389 --> 00:38:44.570
I think that perhaps this third teaching that

00:38:44.570 --> 00:38:48.170
I've mentioned is the most dangerous aspect of

00:38:48.170 --> 00:38:50.719
the charismatic movement. That is that God is

00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:54.000
still giving revelation today. I remember seeing

00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:57.820
a magazine produced by an organization headed

00:38:57.820 --> 00:39:01.320
by one Kenneth Copeland, in the front of which,

00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:07.079
Thus saith the Lord. And then he gave the prophecy

00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.139
that God gave to him to give. And he was claiming

00:39:10.139 --> 00:39:13.039
that what was said there was just as fully inspired

00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:19.900
as Isaiah and Matthew and 2 Timothy. That he

00:39:19.900 --> 00:39:22.739
was receiving the word of God and delivering

00:39:22.739 --> 00:39:25.920
it to people today. That is an exceptionally

00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:29.380
dangerous thing. And it totally undermines the

00:39:29.380 --> 00:39:33.920
authority of God's infallible word. Is the gate

00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.880
still open to doctrine? We believe not, but cults

00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.599
believe it's still open. That's why the Mormons

00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:44.679
have their Book of Mormon. That's why other cults

00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.519
have their additional writings from their founders.

00:39:48.349 --> 00:39:50.750
For these, you see, are additional revelations

00:39:50.750 --> 00:39:54.469
given by God. Once we open the door to say that

00:39:54.469 --> 00:39:56.769
there are additional revelations from God today,

00:39:56.849 --> 00:40:00.650
there is no stopping it. It is the releasing

00:40:00.650 --> 00:40:04.630
of a flood that then cannot be contained. At

00:40:04.630 --> 00:40:06.909
the conclusion of the book of Revelation, chapter

00:40:06.909 --> 00:40:12.210
22, verses 18 and 19, God says through John that

00:40:12.210 --> 00:40:15.269
we are not to add to or to take from the writings

00:40:15.269 --> 00:40:18.599
of this book. And because of its unique location

00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:20.699
in the Bible and the fact that it's the last

00:40:20.699 --> 00:40:23.920
of the inspired writings coming about in 90 A

00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:26.900
.D., we believe and are convinced that what is

00:40:26.900 --> 00:40:29.139
said there refers not only to the revelation

00:40:29.139 --> 00:40:32.239
of Jesus Christ that John wrote, but to the whole

00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:38.780
of the 66 books. I remember getting a letter

00:40:38.780 --> 00:40:43.260
from a friend of mine who was in a church that

00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:49.119
I pastored. And this was after I came here to

00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:54.679
Roseville. And he said, the Spirit has revealed

00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:59.500
to me why you really left the church in Kentucky.

00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:04.920
Well, I was quite interested in that. And he

00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:08.159
went on to say, the Spirit has told me that the

00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:11.400
real reason that you left the church in Kentucky

00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:17.329
is because of fear. You were afraid of cancer

00:41:17.329 --> 00:41:22.010
of the throat, and that caused you to leave that

00:41:22.010 --> 00:41:26.809
church. Now, God is my witness. Not once had

00:41:26.809 --> 00:41:30.050
the fear of cancer of the throat entered my mind

00:41:30.050 --> 00:41:32.530
in making the decision to leave that church.

00:41:34.369 --> 00:41:36.269
It might have been in my mind since his letter.

00:41:40.269 --> 00:41:42.510
And I wrote back and I said, dear Rick, you know,

00:41:42.510 --> 00:41:44.869
I appreciate your concern for me, but I said,

00:41:44.869 --> 00:41:47.190
some spirit may have told you that, but it wasn't

00:41:47.190 --> 00:41:55.550
the spirit of God. You see, when we open the

00:41:55.550 --> 00:41:57.630
door to say, well, God is communicating directly

00:41:57.630 --> 00:42:01.829
to me, giving me new revelation, new rhemas,

00:42:01.909 --> 00:42:04.630
and that is one of the key words, new rhemas,

00:42:04.630 --> 00:42:08.409
R -H -E -M -A -S, a transliteration of a Greek

00:42:08.409 --> 00:42:11.530
word. When we say that God is doing that, then

00:42:11.530 --> 00:42:15.010
there is no stopping to what God may say. And

00:42:15.010 --> 00:42:18.170
how are we to know who to believe? There's an

00:42:18.170 --> 00:42:19.730
acquaintance of mine here in the Twin Cities

00:42:19.730 --> 00:42:22.030
who is a charismatic, and we got into a discussion

00:42:22.030 --> 00:42:24.909
on a certain occasion regarding this matter of

00:42:24.909 --> 00:42:28.929
God giving Ramos. And I said, well, what about

00:42:28.929 --> 00:42:30.750
the final authority of the Bible? And he says,

00:42:30.849 --> 00:42:32.869
well, we believe the Bible is the final authority.

00:42:33.710 --> 00:42:36.289
You see, when we get our prophecies and we get

00:42:36.289 --> 00:42:39.219
our Ramos from God, he said, then we go to the

00:42:39.219 --> 00:42:43.340
Bible to find out which of our rhemas are infallible.

00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:46.739
And I said, well, that's very interesting that

00:42:46.739 --> 00:42:48.800
that means that God is giving you rhemas that

00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:51.440
are not infallible. In other words, God is giving

00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:55.079
revelation that is fallible. Is that right? Well,

00:42:55.179 --> 00:43:00.239
we got on to a different subject then. I believe

00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:06.300
that we must reject as... being true, this teaching

00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:09.059
that God is still giving revelation today. God

00:43:09.059 --> 00:43:12.139
has given His revelation. It is completed. It

00:43:12.139 --> 00:43:14.739
is the truth, the faith, the body of doctrine

00:43:14.739 --> 00:43:17.960
once for all delivered to the saints here. And

00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:19.559
then the final teaching I'm going to point out

00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.760
tonight is that the gifts of healings are still

00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:26.480
being given to individuals today. That it's never

00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.960
God's will for a believer to be sick. For a believer

00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:33.059
to be sick shows lack of faith. I got a real

00:43:33.059 --> 00:43:35.139
chuckle out of a certain television personality

00:43:35.139 --> 00:43:38.039
in one of these shows a few weeks ago. She had

00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:40.880
been sick for about a whole week with the same

00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:43.159
kind of affliction I've had here the last week

00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:47.219
and a half or so with the flu. And she was just

00:43:47.219 --> 00:43:50.619
getting back to the telecast, and then she began

00:43:50.619 --> 00:43:52.659
to talk to people out there in television land

00:43:52.659 --> 00:43:55.619
who had this, and she was reprimanding them if

00:43:55.619 --> 00:43:57.699
they were sick because they should have more

00:43:57.699 --> 00:44:00.019
faith than that. And I thought, well, dear lady,

00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:01.760
what have you been doing for the last week and

00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.280
a half, taking your medicine? Where's your faith?

00:44:07.300 --> 00:44:10.780
Is it true that sickness only comes because we

00:44:10.780 --> 00:44:12.980
have lack of faith, that it's never God's will

00:44:12.980 --> 00:44:17.780
for us to be sick? Absolutely not. In fact, I

00:44:17.780 --> 00:44:19.940
think that is a cruel and insidious teaching

00:44:19.940 --> 00:44:23.840
that preys upon people who in some cases are

00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:28.320
terminally ill. and who are looking for something,

00:44:28.420 --> 00:44:30.420
and then someone comes along with this teaching,

00:44:30.500 --> 00:44:32.159
and so they say, well, I've got to get faith

00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:36.400
together, and then they don't get healed, and

00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:42.079
they are distraught. It leads to not only disillusionment,

00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:48.559
but to, I think, a dangerous introspection of

00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:51.179
oneself. Is it ever God's will for a person to

00:44:51.179 --> 00:44:54.519
be sick? Yes, it is. Job was sick by the will

00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:58.059
of God. Paul, whatever the thorn in the flesh

00:44:58.059 --> 00:45:01.159
was, was sick by the will of God. He never got

00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:04.659
rid of that. Paul, if he had the gift of healings,

00:45:04.659 --> 00:45:07.659
did not heal Timothy, but rather commanded him

00:45:07.659 --> 00:45:11.980
to take certain medicinal steps for his healing.

00:45:13.380 --> 00:45:15.719
Furthermore, if we look at the gifts of healings

00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:18.820
in the New Testament, we realize that when a

00:45:18.820 --> 00:45:21.440
person exercised that gift in the New Testament,

00:45:21.579 --> 00:45:27.679
there was always a healing. And it did not necessarily

00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.360
depend upon the faith of the one who was being

00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.920
healed. There were not healing lines in which

00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:35.860
people came up and some were healed and some

00:45:35.860 --> 00:45:39.039
weren't. But when a person was healed, he was

00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:41.400
healed and that permanently, not just until the

00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:43.340
person got off the stage and got off the emotional

00:45:43.340 --> 00:45:48.860
kick. The healings were definite. They were permanent.

00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:54.150
They were verifiable. Now for all the claims

00:45:54.150 --> 00:45:56.550
of healings that we hear about today and all

00:45:56.550 --> 00:45:59.610
the television interviews that we see and all

00:45:59.610 --> 00:46:03.489
the books that are written, it would be interesting

00:46:03.489 --> 00:46:09.150
to know the real stories a little bit later after

00:46:09.150 --> 00:46:11.710
those interviews and after those testimonies.
