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So with with the Pinterest pins, do you spend a lot of time in design or do you just like

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create a template?

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How do you do that?

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Yeah, I mean, I always have been a template person just because it's easier.

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So I usually have a couple different templates that I rotate out and stuff just to make it

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easy because if you're like sitting there doing everything from scratch every single

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time, it gets to be time consuming.

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And you know, if you're spending all this time signing this pin and it doesn't convert,

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it's like, well, you just wasted your time.

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So I'm a huge proponent of templates and every part of my life for Pinterest, for email,

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for everything, honestly, I am all about saving time.

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So templates, I think they still work pretty well.

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The thing I've noticed about just graphics for Pinterest in general is like the ones

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that have like people's faces on them, like for example, like if I had like my face and

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your face if we were doing guest episode together on my show, those don't convert as well because

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people like they're not interested in that, especially because people who are on Pinterest,

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they're like usually used to going to a blog post.

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Right.

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So if they see these people's faces, they're like, what is that?

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You know what I mean?

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And just generally from Pinterest, just research in the past, like people don't want to see

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faces.

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They like to see like, you know, stock images are great.

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Or if you can take your own kind of stock images too, but like people's faces just don't

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perform that well, like as they would on like Instagram or something, because they're, you

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know, Pinterest people are looking for information.

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They're looking, you know, obviously with podcasting, they're looking to learn.

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Right.

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So they're looking to learn from blog posts and things like that.

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So if they see your face, they're kind of like, okay, like, is this going to be like

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an article about this person?

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Like how is that going to help me?

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So like, I've found that if you, if you just put like the title of the episode and like

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a nice background image and like your URL at the bottom or whatever, that does a lot

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better than like, if you have like the headshots and stuff.

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And I've tested both ways and I find the headshots, like it just doesn't convert as well, no matter

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what the pen is about.