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Hey everyone, Ashley here with RSS.com.

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In today's episode, we're chatting with Jenny Seneson, who's host of the podcast manager

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Power Hour.

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We're going to be talking all about using Pinterest for promoting a podcast.

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Enjoy the show.

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Well, Jenny, welcome to the show.

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I'm so excited you could be here today.

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Could you do us a favor and tell us what it is you do?

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Yeah, I am Jenny and I have a podcast management and marketing agency.

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We help podcasters launch and grow their podcasts through podcast launch services and monthly

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management services, and we do marketing as well.

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Kind of all-inclusive for podcasters out there.

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That sounds awesome.

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Now, how did you get into podcasting?

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Okay, so I'll keep this brief because it can be quite long.

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Before I started my podcast, I was a virtual assistant slash social media manager, and

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that's how I got into business in general.

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I was looking for some more connection.

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I was looking for a community.

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What else can I do in this business?

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I got really into listening to podcasts.

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My first podcast, as most people's first, or a lot of people's first, were serial.

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Then from there, I just really fell in love with podcasting.

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I listened to A Town of True Crime.

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Then I discovered some businessy podcasts and really liked that.

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I was like, wow, maybe I can start a business podcast.

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I did just that, and I really fell in love with the platform.

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I am an introvert to my core, and it was a really, really scary thing for me to do

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because I was like, I don't always feel comfortable talking to people.

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I surely did not feel comfortable in solo episodes because I just felt scary like I

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was talking to myself, and I didn't know what to expect.

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But yeah, that was back in 2018.

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I've been podcasting since 2018, and the industry has evolved so much since then.

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Obviously, I loved it so much that I pivoted from being a VA social media manager to actually

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helping people with their podcasts.

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Clearly, I am in it for the long haul.

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That's awesome.

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I like to hear the journey of how people got into the industry.

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So basically, you came onto my radar because I can't remember if it was a blogging concentrated

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or an ultimate bundles course or something like that, but something led me to you.

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I joined your email list, and I thought that some of the stuff that you were sharing was

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really cool.

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One of the things that caught my attention was Pinterest.

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You were talking about podcasting for Pinterest.

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I'm curious as to when Pinterest became your strategy for promoting a podcast.

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Yeah.

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It actually goes back to my VA social media management days.

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That was one of my focuses as a social media manager was Pinterest because before even

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diving into business as a whole, I had a blog.

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My blog was a lifestyle blog, so I did fashion, beauty, home style stuff, home living, and

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all that stuff.

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I used it for that blog, and then I saw really good results with it.

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I was getting 30 opt-ins a day to my email list for this one freebie based on this one

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pen.

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Obviously it's evolved a lot since then.

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That was back in 2015, 2016.

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I decided if it works so well with blogging, why not try it for podcasting?

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When you are a podcaster, you typically do some sort of blog post on your website, but

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you call it show notes instead of a blog post typically.

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I started experimenting with that, and I just found it to work really well.

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It is a little different because people are accustomed to landing on your website and

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just reading a blog post, but they get that benefit of having the audio there too.

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They can either listen or read.

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It gives people the best of both worlds.

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You may convert someone into a listener because of that pen, but even so, if you don't, they

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can at least read it and become a fan of yours and follow you along elsewhere as well.

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I know that one of the big things that's happened recently is Pinterest has been making a lot

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of changes to its algorithm and the background coding and things like that.

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A lot of people in 2021 were starting to refer to it as the dumpster fire known as Pinterest.

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I'm curious, since that transition began, have you noticed an uptick or how is it going

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in terms of podcasting with Pinterest?

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It's been pretty much the same.

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I haven't seen anything down.

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I haven't seen anything super up, but that's social media across the board.

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Really, Instagram is like that.

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Every single social platform seems to have some crappy algorithm that either works or

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doesn't.

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It's all based on luck a lot of the time.

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I feel like it's been pretty consistent.

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It's been pretty much the same.

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It hasn't grown exponentially, but it's been nice to get in front of more eyes and more

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ears I guess.

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I would have never probably had those people find me without Pinterest.

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I think it's still a really good tool.

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You just have to be strategic about it.

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You can't be doing what worked in 2016 and 2017 and even 2020 because things have changed

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since then.

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Now, not to be difficult, but you said you can't be doing the same things.

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What exactly does that mean?

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Does that mean you need to change how you're doing your descriptions, your titles?

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Can you give us a little bit about what it is you do to use it?

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Back in the day, you used to be able to have 30 different pins leading back to the same

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posts and that all was counted as different types of pins.

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But now they're like, don't do that.

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Try not to do that.

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They want to see that fresh new content, which is hard because no one is sitting there creating

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daily episodes unless you're a news outlet.

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That wouldn't obviously be the best use case for Pinterest because it expires so quickly.

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Pinterest is great for evergreen content still.

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This podcast, as long as it's evergreen, can be a really good fit for Pinterest.

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If you're creating weekly episodes, that's what most of our clients do.

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You have what?

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52 weeks of content, maybe 50 if you take a couple of weeks off for the holidays.

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That's 50 pins you can do.

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Sure, you can do multiple pins that lead back to the same thing, but you can even test it,

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have it lead back to the blog post, maybe have it lead back to an Instagram post or

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have it lead back to a freebie or something that's kind of relevant to that episode.

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Kind of use it that way so you can still see what's working.

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Maybe the one that's leading back to a freebie that's similar to the episode, maybe that

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converts better.

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Obviously, that's going to be good for you because those people are going to get in your

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email list.

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All these different marketing channels like Pinterest or social media or anything like

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that, the main thing is you want to get people to your website.

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If you're a business owner, ultimately you're wanting to get them on your email list so

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that you can talk to them more because if they're just hanging out on your website,

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you don't really have any other way to contact them.

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Same with social media.

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If you drive them to social media, sure, they can DM you, but unless you reach out to them,

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most people aren't going to just DM you out of the blue.

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It's just not people's nature because they don't feel safe doing that.

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They don't feel comfortable.

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It's not their natural pattern.

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To me, Pinterest is all driving it back to your podcast essentially, but then really

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getting them deeper into your funnel with your email list.

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I'm really glad you said all of that because we hone in a lot.

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We've done a couple blog posts on it about how you do not own any of the different platforms.

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You don't own Pinterest.

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You don't own Instagram.

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You don't own Facebook.

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If for some reason you were to lose those accounts, you then lose that audience.

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I'm so glad you said the things about the funnels and the getting people onto your email

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list and we'll definitely leave a link to our article in the show notes, basically talking

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about why as a podcaster, if you don't have an email list, you're missing out.

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You've got to get them on your email list.

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You had said something about audio and Pinterest.

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Can you actually load audio to a pin?

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I'm not 100% sure if you can do that.

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I feel like they're rolling out new things every day.

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I'm not in the weeds like I used to be as much with Pinterest because I don't do that

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for clients anymore.

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However, I do use it for my podcast and some of our clients do it too.

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I know you can do those idea pins.

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I think you can hear that sound.

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I don't know, but it has to be like you have to have some kind of pin design.

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I would say what I was more so referring to is linking it back to the audio itself or

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the audio.

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You know how Libsyn and those other platforms have the little mini website thing situation.

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I never use that because it's kind of ugly.

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I'd rather use my website, but even trying that and seeing if that converts better too.

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And then it's really like anything.

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You have to just kind of see what works best because what works for someone down the road

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is probably not going to work for you.

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It's going to depend.

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I mean, it might work for you, but it's all about testing and trying new things and seeing

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what converts because all these social media platforms are just changing on a daily basis,

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it feels like.

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It's hard to keep up.

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That's a fact.

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And one of the things that I've started seeing, the reason I mentioned the audio is I've seen

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some people start using…

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Oh, goodness, what are they called?

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I'm going to totally space out now.

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Oh, audiograms.

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I've seen some people using audiograms because that way they at least can put the audio and

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this thing onto the Pinterest pin.

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So with the Pinterest pins, do you spend a lot of time in design or do you just create

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a template?

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How do you do that?

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Yeah, I mean, I always have been a template person just because it's easier.

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So I usually have a couple of different templates that I rotate out and stuff just to make it

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easy because if you're like sitting there doing everything from scratch every single

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time, it gets to be time consuming.

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And if you're spending all this time designing this pin and it doesn't convert, it's like,

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well, you just wasted your time.

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So I am a huge proponent of templates and every part of my life for Pinterest, for email,

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for everything, honestly, I am all about saving time.

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So templates, I think they still work pretty well.

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The thing that I've noticed about just graphics for Pinterest in general is the ones that

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have people's faces on them, for example, if I had my face and your face of who are

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doing guest episode together on my show, those don't convert as well because people, they're

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not interested in that, especially because people who are on Pinterest, they're usually

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used to going to a blog post.

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So if they see these people's faces, they're like, what is that?

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And you know what I mean?

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And just generally from Pinterest, just research in the past, people don't want to see faces.

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They like to see, stock images are great or if you can take your own kind of stock images

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too, but people's faces just don't perform that well as they would on Instagram or something

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because Pinterest people are looking for information.

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They're looking, obviously with podcasting, they're looking to learn, right?

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So they're looking to learn from blog posts and things like that.

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So if they see your face, they're kind of like, okay, is this going to be an article

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about this person?

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How is that going to help me?

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So I've found that if you just put the title of the episode and a nice background image

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and your URL at the bottom or whatever, that does a lot better than if you have the headshots

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And I've tested both ways and I find the headshots, it just doesn't convert as well, no matter

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what the pin is about.

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I'm sure a lot of people just breathe a sigh of relief hearing you say that.

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So what advice would you give a new podcaster who's trying to use Pinterest?

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What advice would you give them to use it to promote it?

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I would say start small because if you go all in with it immediately and you don't see

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all these results, you're going to be annoyed and feel like you wasted your time.

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Pinterest is a long game.

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It always has been.

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I've said that since 2016 when I started working in it.

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It's always been a long game.

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It's not something you can just pin and all of a sudden people are flocking to it.

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It's just like it lasts a lot longer than a lot of the other social platforms.

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Like I know like an Instagram feed post is like super short shelf life.

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I want to say it's like a day maybe, maybe two days max.

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It's really short.

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So Pinterest is like months, months and months and months.

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Like that is really important.

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So like if you're pinning like images, you know, we're recording this in January.

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So if you're pinning images in January, like I wouldn't expect to see them start taking

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off until February at the earliest because it just takes a while for the algorithm to

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pick it up.

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So start small.

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Don't have like super crazy expectations.

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It's not going to go viral as easy as it used to back in the day just because the platform

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has evolved.

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Just like it's not as easy to go viral on Instagram or even TikTok anymore.

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So you just have to set your expectations and you know, just be in it for the long haul.

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And you know, if after six months you haven't seen any traction, then obviously I would

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you know, reevaluate if you want to continue spending time there.

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But don't just give up after like two weeks because that's not going to do anyone any

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good.

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I say that about podcasting too.

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Don't give up if you don't get a bunch of downloads after two weeks.

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Podcasting is also a long game.

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I think some of the best tools are long games, so we just all need to be patient.

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bingeable episodes that we get a whole season dropped in a day.

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But like you just need to be patient.

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What do you mean I can't get rich overnight?

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Well, so one of the questions I have for you regarding like, you know, if I just get started

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now with Pinterest back in the day, you know, because I used to use Pinterest myself for

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blogging and so back in the day you had to engage with other printers.

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Do you feel like you still have to do that these days or is it more about putting the

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content out there?

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had to share other people's stuff and to get kind of that and there was group boards and

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all that fun stuff, which is like kind of not even I think they have group boards.

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It's still a feature, but like it doesn't do what it used to do.

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worth it.

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So I think it's just, you know, just kind of going and going in there with that, you

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know, mindset.

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I want this to work for me and you know, you don't really need to worry about doing pinning

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other people's stuff.

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Sure, it's helpful and nice.

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Like if you want to save that post for the future, it looks good.

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Do that.

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But like you don't have to do it anymore just to for your stuff to start kind of populating

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It's not as crucial as it used to be.

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You're an active pinner so that everything is going to work in your favor.

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But now that doesn't really matter.

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That's actually good to hear because I know one of the big things that used to annoy me

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is if I had to pin a bunch of people's stuff, then it was no longer my brand.

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It was no longer my page.

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It belonged to, you know, the masses.

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I mean, and it was, you know, and sometimes like when you, especially with those tail end

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tribe things at the time is what they were called.

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I don't know what they're called now.

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I think they're groups or something.

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They changed the name a couple of years ago.

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But you had to like pin like two per every one you did or three per every one, whatever.

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They had different rules and stuff.

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looked good because like I obviously the content was important to me, but like if the pin was

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ugly, I wasn't going to pin it either.

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So it's actually like I said, it's kind of good to hear that they've almost streamlined.

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So maybe the problem isn't so much that it's a dumpster fire.

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It's that people don't understand that things have changed and you have to evolve with the

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Like anything, you really just need to see what's working now and evolved and, you know,

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test and try different things and don't be afraid to be innovative with it.

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If it works, great.

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If it doesn't, then, you know, that's just how it is.

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I mean, you just can't, you can't sit there and get frustrated that you're trying strategies

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that worked in 2016 and 2022.

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It's just life.

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Things are going to change.

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Like platforms are going to change, especially since we don't pay for any of these social

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media platforms.

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None of them are.

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You can pay for advertising, but like the platform as a whole is like free.

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So like you got to, you got to be, you know, you got to expect them to change because they

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need to make money too.

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So well, speaking of advertising, have you ever used Pinterest ads?

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Like have you ever done that?

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I did a long time ago, like with my blog, but I haven't tried it with the podcast just

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because it's just like, I've just, I've never been like a paid ads person.

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I feel like it's, you know, it's, it's useful, but like I didn't, I was always scared to

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put money behind something.

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And then like, you know, I know it can set limits and stuff, but I was like, what if

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it like all of a sudden like malfunctions and they spend me, send like, you know, a

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thousand dollars on this one thing.

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I'm like, I know that's not going to happen, but like, it's just like something that pops

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in my mind.

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So I've done it in the past and you know, it worked pretty well then, but that was a

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long time ago, so I can't really speak to you like if paid ads are the thing now, but

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I know there's a lot of people that still teach Pinterest paid ads.

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So I imagine that they're not a bad strategy if people are still talking about it.

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So well, I think that everything that you've been sharing is kind of insightful and helpful

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because you know, one of the big things that, that people always fear is that, okay, I'm

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going to have to do all these things just to promote my podcast.

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But it sounds to me like what you have said is it's just kind of a cog in a wheel.

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It's not a whole, you know, it's not something that you put all your eggs in this Pinterest

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basket.

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No, and you never should.

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You never should.

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I mean, when it comes to social media, even though Pinterest isn't like a traditional

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social media, it's, you know, it's a search engine more so, but you shouldn't put all

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your eggs in SEO's basket.

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You shouldn't put all your eggs in Instagram's basket.

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Like you shouldn't put all your eggs in your podcast basket.

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You need to like diversify.

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And I'm not saying you need to be on every single platform ever because that's just exhausting,

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but like at least do like, you know, if you're doing the long form content with your podcast,

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do two social media channels because then you have like, you know, say you picked Pinterest

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and Instagram, you get two different kinds of like audiences you get.

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It's not impossible to keep up with because you're not trying to do TikTok or Twitter

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or any of the other ones out there, but it gives you kind of, it lets you diversify where

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that traffic's coming from.

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So if like Pinterest isn't working, maybe Instagram's doing better for you.

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And you're not just like relying on that one platform to drive all the traffic to your

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podcast.

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I mean, even with podcasting, I always recommend like guesting on their podcast too.

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That's a really great way to get, you know, grow your downloads and stuff like that too.

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So don't put all your eggs in one basket because you're, you know, in life generally, because

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that's just, you're going to get burned.

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We're going to repeat that again.

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Do not put all your eggs in one basket.

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Yeah, a hundred percent.

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That's really important to hear.

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So because you're a subject matter expert in this whole thing, I just have to ask your

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advice.

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Would you say that it is okay to kind of repurpose those pins as Instagram content or TikTok

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content or should you just strictly focus on if you create a pin, you use it for Pinterest?

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I think you can repurpose it, but like obviously the image sizings are going to be different.

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Like the Pinterest pins are like longer and Instagram posts are like, you know, square

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and things like that.

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So you can repurpose it.

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I think you can take it, it's more, you know, if you have like Canva, I know Canva has like,

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if you have the paid version, you can like resize it super easily.

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So you could do that if you wanted to.

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Um, and you know, also like kind of tweaking, like the description and stuff and making

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it into a caption so you can repurpose it, but it does need tweaking as anything would

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just like you wouldn't want to post the exact same thing on Instagram and Facebook.

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You'd want to tweak it for that particular platform, but it can definitely be repurposed

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and you know, I think it should be, I am a huge proponent of repurposing because so are

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we.

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No one has time to be doing all different kinds of strategies on different kinds of

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platforms.

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There's too much.

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Well, this has been fantastic.

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Well, um, where can people find you online?

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Yeah.

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So the best place to find me would be Instagram.

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My handle is at jenny.sunnison.

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So that's j-e-n-n-y dot s-u-n-e-s-o-n.

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That's where I hang out the most.

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Um, and then my website is just Savvy Podcast Agency.

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So if you're looking to launch your podcast or even take it to the next level with someone

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who helps you with not only like the back end editing and stuff and show notes, but

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also like the strategy and marketing piece of it, um, we offer those services as well.

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So that's, those are two places that we hang out or I hang out the most.

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Now is there anywhere that we can direct someone if they want more information on using Pinterest

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for podcasting?

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I don't have a resource on that yet.

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Um, I think, I think I should create one because it has been something that a lot of people

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have been asking about recently.

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Like I know I did an email a couple of weeks ago and that's the one I think you responded

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to and a lot of people responded to that one.

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So I was like, hmm, maybe this is something I should do this year, but I don't actually

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have like a physical freebie or anything right now, but I'm considering it.

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Cause like that was my bread and butter back in the day and I love Pinterest.

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I still do.

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So I think, I think that might be something I'll work on this year.

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Like I said, it's kind of refreshing to hear that Pinterest is not basically dead in the

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water because you know, you read all these, these, uh, these reports of, of how it's like

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a dying platform, but it's good to hear someone have a refreshing perspective.

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Yeah.

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I mean, like, like anything, like I, I'm sure people have said Facebook is dead and I think

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people said Instagram is dead too.

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And then like, here we are, they're still rocking and rolling.

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Um, it's just, I think it's not that it's dead.

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It's just, you need to adapt.

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And a lot of people don't adapt.

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They just try what they tried five years ago and expect it to still work.

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So

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well, before I let you go, I do actually have one more question with the, with the whole

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Pinterest thing.

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Do you think that you need a separate Pinterest account just for your podcast or is it okay

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to have a Pinterest account that's for your entire brand?

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I think it's fine to just have one honestly, like because I'm all about making it easier.

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And if you have two Pinterest accounts, are you going to long into the other one?

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Probably not.

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You're, you're never going to, you're never going to do it.

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You're just going to be like, you're going to find a reason why you shouldn't do it or

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you're just not going to do it.

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So like having everything in one thing, it like just gets the barrier, it makes the lower

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barrier to entry because you have that everything on that one account.

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So especially if your brand is related to your podcast, like for me, my podcast is about

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podcasting.

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So like, it would be weird to have a non separate account, but even like if you're a business

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owner listening to this and your podcast is, you know, you say you are like a brand designer,

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but your podcast is for business owners, like that's still relevant in some way.

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And last year, like a hobby podcaster and you're, you don't have a business attached.

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Obviously you probably wouldn't want that on your personal account or like your business

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account.

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But for the mass, for the most people, it'll, it'll work to be on one account.

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So I think that makes a lot of sense, especially if it's an extension of your brand.

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I say, why not just keep it all under the same umbrella?

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Yep, exactly, because it's confusing.

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Like I mean, I know for me, I have like separate Instagram accounts and stuff because like

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it didn't make sense to put some things under one, but with Pinterest, it's, it's different.

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It's not, it's not like you're having conversations with people about one thing, but your accounts

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about another thing.

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I think that's the difference because it is, it is more like a search engine and it's

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not, you're not like having these conversations and you know, confusing people that way.

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So good stuff.

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Absolutely good stuff.

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Well, all right.

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So last question that I ask everyone before I let them off my show, and that is what is

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one question I didn't ask that you really wish I had.

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This is so fun.

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I think, I think honestly, you really did cover it all, but I just want to give like

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one last thing and it's just like, if you are listening to this and you've thought about

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Pinterest, but never like went in, did it for whatever reason, we're all busy and you

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know, like some, I know for me I have like probably 40 things on my list of that I want

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to do, but I haven't yet for whatever reason, just, just give it a try.

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You don't need to like, like I said earlier, you don't need to put your like your heart

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and soul into it and like dedicate 30 hours a week to it because that's ridiculous and

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it's not going to give you any better results, but just give it a try and see if it works

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for you.

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And if it doesn't, then you know it, you did it.

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So that's, that's kind of my last little caveat that I'll give you guys.

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Well, Jenny, I think everything that you shared today has been pretty awesome and we're going

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to leave all of your links in the show notes and I just want to thank you one more time

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for being here with me today.

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Yeah.

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Thanks for having me.

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I had so much fun.

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