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So I'm curious, how has your business changed or improved because of your podcast?

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You know, I would say the podcast hasn't really had any bearing on my copywriting business

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because everyone who's listening to it, they're not copywriting clients.

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If anything, I think it just draws them deeper into my different funnels, right?

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So they join my Facebook group, they might buy my ebook, they might buy my courses,

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they might purchase whatever is floating around.

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So I don't know like the monetary amount, but I definitely think it makes people more

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loyal, I guess, to like the freelance fairy tales brand.

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Okay.

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So would you say that it is a good way to monetize your business by teaching people

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who you are and kind of growing your authority base?

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Yeah, I think it has a lot of benefits that are, you know, in a way like intangible.

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But I mean, as far as monetary benefits, I'm actually working on getting sponsors right

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now.

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There are some obvious ways you just make money from the podcast, of course.

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But yeah, I would say the intangible way is yeah, it creates brand loyalty, which I think

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then further, you know, gets people to trust me after they listen to it.

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And then they may go buy one of my online courses when they might not have in the first

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place.

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I'm curious, when did you start the courses?

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Like when did that come into the to the game?

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Because I know you've been freelancing a long time.

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Yeah, yeah, it's funny.

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The courses are actually only a little over a year old.

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The guy who I made them with Josh, he found me on TikTok June 2020.

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We actually talked to him today.

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He's like one of my best friends now.

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I've recorded five courses with him all in Salt Lake City.

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And we have, you know, we're going to record more we have, we together the two of us could

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probably make 30 courses over the next 20 years.

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We have all these ideas.

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So we've been starting, you know, recording them since June 2020.

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And they went up for sale October 2020.

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So they're they're really kind of new.

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But I think they're incredible.

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I love online courses.

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I take them all the time.

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I'm taking one right now in real estate.

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They get a lot of hate, but I think I think they're the future of education.

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I love them.

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I agree completely.

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I mean, they say it's going to be like a multiple billion dollar industry by 2025.

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So yeah, and it's a great way to like learn so much that you used to like it used to have

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what do you call it?

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There were gatekeepers and now everything online you can find anything that you want

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to know.

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Yeah.

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And I know people come at me for them really hard, but I just am like, listen, no one's

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making you buy them.

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I don't know why you're so you know, you're hating.

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It's like thirty five dollars.

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I mean, I get it.

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I know there's people out there who have hijacked it, unfortunately, and charge like five thousand

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dollars or something crazy and people get scammed.

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But I'm always like, guys, use your best judgment.

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If someone's charging you thirty five dollars and has like a free podcast, I'm probably

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not trying to rip you off.

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Right.

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Right.

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Except to them if they want to go and spend too much money.

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Yeah, like I'm just I come in peace.