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So I have to ask you though, and you may not even want to speak to this, but I'm just

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curious, what do you see as the future of podcasting?

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Well, I mean, let's just be realistic.

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I think you're going to see more of the bigger fish get involved, bigger

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organizations, bigger celebrities.

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Um, there's, that's, I think it'll be a trend.

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I don't see it as a bad thing.

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Um, those people are going to probably get more attention just cause they already

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have attention because they already have massive platforms and things like that.

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Um, but for the people who are creative, for the people who are niche and the

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people who are willing to, to take this seriously and run with it, I still think

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those people have as good a chance as anyone.

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Uh, so podcasting will continue to see new opportunities and technology.

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We'll see new innovations, new opportunities to engage with audience live, live

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streaming will be even more relevant than it is now.

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I see a number of ways that podcasting can continue to develop.

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And I think that it will, uh, the haves will continue to have and the have

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nots, uh, may continue to kind of linger a little bit, but, but for those that

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are niche and those that are focused and really creative, I think the sky's the

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limit, the opportunities absolutely there.

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It can happen.

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It's not too late to start a podcast.

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Um, you know, the wagon hasn't left.

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So the train hasn't left.

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You can still start a podcast and still have success.

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It takes work and it takes creativity.

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And I do think, uh, being in a very specific ditch is a good thing, uh,

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that will likely help you.

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So I think that's the future.

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I think we'll, we'll, we'll just see more opportunities for these big fish.

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And then we'll see, uh, people continue to step up and be creative and have fun

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ways to do shows and new ideas and innovative ways of presenting themselves.

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And then, uh, they'll get on the radar too.

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So I think it's, it's open, wide open.

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Anybody could do it.

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So why not?

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And you don't need a massive audience, depending on what your goals are.

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Uh, if you're just trying to help key people, you know, you just start

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sharing what's on your mind and what's on your heart.

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And, uh, you'd be surprised.

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I've gotten emails from my podcast.

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My podcast is not a professional podcast.

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Just want to do for fun that I've been doing for several years.

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And I gotten emails from people in other countries.

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Like a guy was telling me I was on a, you know, they were on an eight hour

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road trip, listening to my podcast.

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And I kind of chuckled at that.

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I was like, sometimes my wife won't even listen to me for eight minutes.

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So I was like, how did you listen to my podcast for eight hours?

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Uh, but you know, those things happen.

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So I encourage people that are on the fence or thinking about it, you know,

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there's, it's really not that brutal to start a podcast and there's plenty of

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tutorials that are free out there and you don't even need to spend a lot of money

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on equipment and you can almost do everything from a mobile device, if

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that's what you want.

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And, um, if, if you've got something on your mind or something on your heart,

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so you want to talk about something that you love, you're passionate about,

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give it a try, you know, you don't have anything to lose.

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Go ahead and test it out.

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I'd say if you are going to test it out, maybe consider the Netflix seasonal

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approach, maybe just say, Hey, I'm going to do eight episodes.

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I'm going to do 10 episodes.

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And then I'm just going to kind of evaluate and we'll see what people say,

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see what kind of feedback feedback I get and then test it that way.

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Hence the saying, Hey, I'm going to just do this ongoing show for forever.

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Cause that can burn you out.

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So I'd say maybe just start with a few episodes and then try to get some feedback.

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And then if you decide to do some more episodes, you'll have an idea of what you

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need to change and what you need to adjust and, um, or you may realize, Hey,

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okay, that topic is not the one I want to keep doing.

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And so you can, uh, change it up.

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You can say April fools, right?

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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And then that's exactly how I started is by I committed to 10th.

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I committed to 10th.