1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Hey everyone, Ashley here with RSS.com podcasting. 2 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,000 Today I'm so excited to bring you Saadi Simone. 3 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,420 Saadi Simone is a spiritual revolutionary and bestselling author pioneering a spiritually 4 00:00:26,420 --> 00:00:31,640 sassy heart-based healing movement in which joy and authenticity eliminate the path to 5 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:32,640 enlightenment. 6 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,640 Enjoy the show. 7 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,680 Saadi, welcome to the show. 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,680 I'm so excited you could be here because you tell us all a little bit about what it is 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:39,680 you do. 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,280 Well, thank you so much for having me. 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,640 It's such an honor and a joy to be here. 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:45,640 What do I do? 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,080 Oh my goodness. 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:53,840 So I, what I, what I, what I'm doing, let me, let me try to be as simple and as casual 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,880 about it as possible. 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,920 I am a seeker. 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,620 I am a teacher. 18 00:01:00,620 --> 00:01:03,200 I am a speaker. 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:09,640 And I, so I write and I teach and I guide people to rediscover their hearts, to do a 20 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,120 long journey from the mind into the heart. 21 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,920 And the way that looks like is through content on social media, through the podcast, the 22 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:23,000 spiritually sassy show, through my books and through, you know, talks and workshops all 23 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,000 around the world. 24 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:33,200 So my work is about teaching people to, to find poetry in their pain, to find a smile 25 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:40,760 in their trauma and to, once they actualize that smile and, and do live poetically, then 26 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,320 they start to share that joy and that poetry with everyone around them. 27 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:50,840 I call that living as a blessing factory or a miracle worker, because we all have those 28 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,680 people in our lives that when we are around them, we just feel so relaxed. 29 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,600 They have to do, they don't have to do anything or, or say anything. 30 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:05,080 And we just, all of a sudden, like, that is my goal with my work is to help people become 31 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,640 those people in their lives. 32 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,640 I love that. 33 00:02:08,640 --> 00:02:09,640 I absolutely love that. 34 00:02:09,640 --> 00:02:12,880 Now, so I, I, I read your book a little bit of it. 35 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,600 And so I know that you used to think that you had to like get quiet and, and, and find 36 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:23,600 your, your spirituality in the quiet, but then it totally transformed into what it is 37 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:24,600 today. 38 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,600 So can you talk a little bit about that and, and when the podcast became part of the journey? 39 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:29,880 Oh, yes. 40 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,120 Love this question. 41 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,840 You know, and it's, it is like part of the process is about getting quiet. 42 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,680 And then what we, what happens a lot of times, and I was, you know, I wrote about this in 43 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:48,200 a book too, and I speak about this often, I realized that it isn't about living as I 44 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:54,720 call the zombie Zen, you know, how we equate spiritual seekers and spiritual teachers as 45 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,920 the zombies then you have to talk like this, you have to, you know, look like that. 46 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:00,520 You have to wear these kinds of clothes. 47 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,960 You have to do these kinds of things. 48 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:08,440 And this kind of forced seriousness is so imposed on, on the spiritual seeker and, oh 49 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,200 my goodness, the spiritual guide could never do any of the things that I do, right? 50 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,520 According to, to some people. 51 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:21,360 But then I realized that, you know, my most transformative experiences with my spiritual 52 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:29,780 teachers in very traditional settings like India and Nepal and monasteries and ashrams 53 00:03:29,780 --> 00:03:37,840 in these parts of the world, the most transformative experiences happened with joy, with laughter, 54 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,040 with humor, with playfulness, with this light heartedness. 55 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,160 But I felt that I couldn't let my freak flag fly. 56 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:51,660 I couldn't let my sassy nature fly because I thought that that was not spiritual. 57 00:03:51,660 --> 00:03:57,260 And then I had this, this revelatory moment where I was like, no, you do need to get quiet. 58 00:03:57,260 --> 00:04:02,600 But then once you, once you experience that peace and the, and the, that, that, that arises 59 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:07,960 from, from, from being quiet and going inward, then it's really about you, you know, showing 60 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:14,220 the world what freedom looks like and freedom that the outward expression of freedom looks 61 00:04:14,220 --> 00:04:15,280 different for everybody. 62 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:21,600 For me, it's bold, loud, fierce, you know, being androgynous and, and, and really expressing 63 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,520 my queerness for other people looks different. 64 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,720 It may be a little bit more quiet, a little bit more, more subdued in a variety of different 65 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:29,720 ways. 66 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,000 But the inner experience of freedom is, is the same for everybody. 67 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:38,880 So it's, I am just a permissionary, a permission slip for people to recognize that once they 68 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:44,400 glimpse and experience this inner freedom, then the outward expression, if it's going 69 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:49,800 to look freaky and sassy and bold and loud and framboyant, that's okay too. 70 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,960 Doesn't matter what some people on a spiritual path have said to you that that does not equate 71 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:54,960 liberation. 72 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:00,960 It's hard to say that it does because I am a living, I'm living proof of, proof of it. 73 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,560 And of course, with the blessing from people from my lineage and my training too, that's 74 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,120 like joy is the way to liberation. 75 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,200 And you know, the, then to talk about the spiritually sassy show, the podcast, which 76 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,840 first of all, I'm so grateful for your platform. 77 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:20,880 And I'm so grateful for everyone who's listening to this show and making the show such a success 78 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,400 in such a short amount of time. 79 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:23,400 Thank you. 80 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:24,400 Thank you. 81 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,400 Thank you. 82 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:33,600 You know, what's happened is it's, I needed another outlet to, to express my creativity 83 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:41,320 and to also communicate with other people in this space and to have hard conversations 84 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:42,720 with people in this space. 85 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,080 You know, I talk a lot about, about, I have a set of questions that on the podcast that 86 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,640 I ask every guest. 87 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,960 And a lot of times when I realized I'm like, Oh my God, the conversation I have with my 88 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,000 friends when we're just hanging out at home, they should be recorded because this conversation 89 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,000 is so transformative. 90 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,840 They're like, it's so enlightening. 91 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:00,480 They need to be on the record. 92 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,480 People need to listen to these things. 93 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:07,000 And that's another thing that I realized like, okay, like let's use the platform of a podcast 94 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,920 for this long form content. 95 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:14,360 And then let's talk about specific questions that oftentimes, you know, sometimes when, 96 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,960 when you are, you know, engaging with people, you may talk about specific things or you 97 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,880 may, you know, kind of just have more casual conversations sometimes, but I wanted to utilize 98 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:31,160 the fact that I have access to so many amazing people to ask them really, really deep, powerful 99 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:32,160 questions. 100 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:37,560 And one question that I ask every guest on the show is a question on forgiveness. 101 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,800 How does forgiveness play a role in your life? 102 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:45,380 And the answers are like, Oh my God, they're just amazing, you know? 103 00:06:45,380 --> 00:06:48,880 So that's a little bit about it. 104 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:49,880 That's pretty wild. 105 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,040 And, and some of the episodes that you've had, I mean, you've had some pretty amazing 106 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:58,200 people, like you had, oh goodness, how do you, Sophia, the girl. 107 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 108 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,800 Yeah, you had her. 109 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,680 And I mean, it's just like, and the questions you ask are not your typical questions that 110 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,540 you would hear on a podcast because they go, like you said, so much deeper. 111 00:07:09,540 --> 00:07:12,640 So I'm curious, how do you find your guests? 112 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:18,520 I find my guests through, you know, people that I'm inspired by, people that like I look 113 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:23,240 around and I'm inspired by, and we're the podcast at a point now that we get people 114 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,220 every single day asking to be on a show. 115 00:07:26,220 --> 00:07:31,200 And some people I'm really inspired by, like the other day we had Sri Sri Gurudev, Sri 116 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:39,640 Sri, his sort of name in the space more publicly is Gurudev, but the sort of longer name is 117 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,760 Sri Sri Rav Shankar. 118 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:49,600 And he's a, you know, he's, he's has like 450 million disciples and he's done work in 119 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:55,880 the prisons and he's had over 800,000 people do these practices in the prison system. 120 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,440 The dude is established in such a massive way. 121 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,200 And I had, you know, someone from his team reach out to me asking if he could be on a 122 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,760 podcast and I was like, of course, hello, love it. 123 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,440 Let's talk about the real, real, real stuff. 124 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,300 So it varies, you know, sometimes I have people reaching out to me and I think that they're 125 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:13,600 really interesting. 126 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,800 Sometimes I have, most of the time I have my team reach out to people that I know personally 127 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,920 like Sophia, or people that I'm really inspired by. 128 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,920 Like we had Julia Cameron on the show who wrote The Artist's Way. 129 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:32,160 You know, her book has casually sold over 5 million copies and, you know, she really 130 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,160 is the queen of creativity as the New York Times calls her. 131 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,160 So I've had her on the show. 132 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,920 I mean, there's, I've, and I actually am a little bit wild. 133 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:45,040 I batched, recorded, so I recorded episodes for an entire year. 134 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:50,200 So this year I'm just doing a couple of people that I'm really, really inspired by. 135 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,840 So I have episodes launching all through this year. 136 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:53,840 Okay. 137 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:54,840 So you batched. 138 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:55,840 That is awesome. 139 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,600 What does that process look like for you? 140 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,040 Like, do you just like schedule everybody and then tell them, okay, we're going to just 141 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,760 go or how does, how does that work for you? 142 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,440 It is freaking wild to be honest. 143 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,680 But the good thing is that I love talking, I love getting to know people. 144 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:15,520 The beautiful thing about having a podcast is that it's in the, for anyone who has a 145 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,320 podcast, you're talking to people and you're listening to yourself talk. 146 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,900 So you're learning so much about yourself and you learn so much about your guests. 147 00:09:22,900 --> 00:09:28,680 So there's this enormous educational and inspirational component to it. 148 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:33,940 During the batch process was, was partly because I wanted to take a break. 149 00:09:33,940 --> 00:09:38,560 You know, I closed the spiritually Sassist school, which a lot of people are upset about, 150 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:43,040 but I needed to, you know, realign with my vows, realign with my purpose, realign with 151 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,440 my message. 152 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,880 So I decided to let's record episodes, enough episodes for an entire year so I can spend 153 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:55,660 more time in prayer, spend more time in meditation, spend more time dancing, spend more time doing 154 00:09:55,660 --> 00:09:58,480 service that I don't, that I don't get anything in return. 155 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:05,920 You know, oftentimes with the nature of my work, like anyone's work, we do need a monetary 156 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,900 support to keep going. 157 00:10:07,900 --> 00:10:13,220 But a huge part of my mission is to help people who are in rehabilitation centers in places 158 00:10:13,220 --> 00:10:20,720 like Nepal, in a rehab center in Kathmandu and now here in Bali where I'm currently living. 159 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:25,960 And I don't get paid to teach at the, at the rehab center in Nepal, Kathmandu and, and 160 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,660 working with the kids here at an orphan center in Bali, Indonesia too. 161 00:10:29,660 --> 00:10:33,160 It's like, I want to shift. 162 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:40,080 I want to, and I am, and I have already more and more of my work to be helping people who 163 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:45,400 are, who have nothing, you know, because I've been so, so karmically blessed to work with 164 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,920 these global celebrities and do things in a really large, beautiful scale and get very 165 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,920 well financially supported for that. 166 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:58,440 So all of that money and all of that is to really funnel the resources for the people 167 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,360 who have really nothing, you know? 168 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:02,360 Okay. 169 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,360 That was a lot. 170 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,560 So I got to unpack a little bit. 171 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:10,100 First of all, you said something that struck a chord with me because I've been watching 172 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:11,820 your TikToks. 173 00:11:11,820 --> 00:11:13,880 And so you said dancing. 174 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,960 When did the dancing evolve into this whole spiritually sassy moment? 175 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,240 Oh my goodness. 176 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:20,240 Thank you for this question. 177 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:21,240 Okay. 178 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,240 That's great. 179 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,240 So dancing. 180 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:30,040 So, you know, I was, I was on a panel and some women, powerful women, like from a big 181 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:36,320 museum in New York, she says, so if I'm gathering this correctly, you dancing on social media 182 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,000 is your way of seducing people to take care of themselves. 183 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,600 And I was like, you know what? 184 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,320 I think that's it. 185 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:51,040 Because when I'm dancing, I'm emanating so much joy and that joy activates your joy, 186 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:56,800 the viewer, the audience, who's watching the contest, it activates their joy. 187 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:03,880 And then when they read the caption, on TikTok, the captions are so, excuse me, so short. 188 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:09,160 But on Instagram, I'm able to actually write a really beautiful text. 189 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,640 It's inspiring and educational. 190 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,640 And the whole direction of that work is to get people to actually recognize that no one's 191 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,960 coming to save them, you know? 192 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,340 You got to save yourself. 193 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:23,320 No one can walk the path from the mind into the heart besides you. 194 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:29,400 Some people like myself and other guides and yogis and mystics on the path can help you 195 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,760 on that journey, but you got to walk the journey by yourself. 196 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:33,760 It's alone together, right? 197 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,020 I say this a lot, alone together. 198 00:12:36,020 --> 00:12:37,760 That's what the spiritual journey is like. 199 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:43,340 So dancing became, you know, what she said, I love what she reflected on, but the truth 200 00:12:43,340 --> 00:12:48,080 of it, I realized that I love to dance. 201 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:53,320 And then I would bring the intention of, I'm going to dance my anger out. 202 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,120 I'm going to dance my depression away. 203 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,520 I'm going to dance my anxiety away. 204 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:03,640 And I would bring this intention to the actual movement practice and it would work. 205 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,520 You know, I would meditate first, I would pray, and I would bring that kind of prayer 206 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,000 and intentionality of meditation into the dance. 207 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,280 And I would finish the dance and I'll be like, oh my God, this is a healing tool. 208 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:20,320 And then you look at all the research behind dance has been part of a part of humanity. 209 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,120 You know, we danced before we spoke, you know, we danced before we wrote. 210 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,760 So, and I realized how healing dance has been for me. 211 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:34,240 And then the Sa method or the spiritual workout or the spiritual dance or the spiritually 212 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:42,200 sassy dance practice, people call it a variety of different ways, was born out of me posting 213 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,600 this intentional spiritual dance on Instagram, but not having language for it. 214 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,960 I was just doing it, you know, and writing these really informative captions about suicide 215 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,840 rates, about mental health, about spirituality. 216 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:01,040 And then something wild happens with consistency and repetition. 217 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,920 Beautiful things happen for all of you who are thinking about starting a podcast, consistency 218 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:11,600 and repetition of, you know, like really that will support you to actually grow your show 219 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,160 and create something of impact. 220 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,240 But through repetition and consistency of me posting these dance videos on social media, 221 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:23,840 Deepak Chopra's team casually reached out to me and said, honey, we love what you're 222 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:24,840 doing on social media. 223 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:25,840 Can we meet? 224 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,760 And I arrived at their office in New York City and it was like wild dream come true 225 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,320 because it's Deepak Chopra. 226 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,720 I mean, hello, honey. 227 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:39,520 And they said, okay, we want you to teach that practice on a retreat with Deepak. 228 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:40,840 And I was like, oh, casual. 229 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,640 Now I have to like give a meaning, a name, and I have to like create a whole philosophy 230 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:50,800 in psychology behind this dance practice that I've just been doing for my own liberation. 231 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:57,240 But it was very easy to create language for it because I could actually feel the tangible 232 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,480 benefits of the practice, you know? 233 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:05,880 So the spiritually sassy dance practice has dance, of course, has meditation involved, 234 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,900 has mantra practice and has breath practice. 235 00:15:08,900 --> 00:15:14,560 So these four practices are there to activate the four qualities in our heart, according 236 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,560 to Buddhist psychology, which are love, compassion, joy, and wisdom. 237 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,780 And who doesn't want more love, joy, compassion, wisdom in their lives? 238 00:15:21,780 --> 00:15:25,880 So the practice is you activate these four practices, these four qualities in your heart, 239 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,760 and then again, you enter the world emanating these qualities. 240 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,560 So that's how dance came about. 241 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:40,400 And then I created a whole philosophy behind it, and I attached a lot of, I did a lot of 242 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:46,400 inner reflection and a lot of inner research to actually create a movement language that 243 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,040 helps people. 244 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,040 So that's that. 245 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:56,080 I don't know if you're familiar with Natalie McNeil of the She Takes on the World, but 246 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,960 before every webinar she does, she does a dance party. 247 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,160 And then there are times where she'll do a dance party before she's about to create something 248 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:04,480 for her business. 249 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,080 And so she'll be like, okay, she'll tell her assistants, I need just a little bit of time, 250 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,600 I got to go dance. 251 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,120 And then she'll come back and she'll be like, I can see it and it's beautiful. 252 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,640 Because it's so freeing, right? 253 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:19,480 It opens your mind, it opens your creativity, it gets all those juices flowing. 254 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,520 And so I'm curious with the TikTok and with the Instagram, with all the dancing, does 255 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,360 that bring people to your podcast? 256 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,200 Or is that just one of the many avenues that people find you from? 257 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,760 It does. 258 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:38,280 I think people love, it's so funny to say this out loud, but people love doing sort 259 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:43,880 of mundane chores and listening to me talk. 260 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,760 And I think podcasts are really good for that. 261 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:50,080 And at the same time, I invite people to try to listen to the podcast while you're laying 262 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:56,040 down on your bed and not doing anything else, or going for a walk and not checking social 263 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:02,320 media and just kind of trying to do, make it intentional. 264 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:08,320 So I think the podcast is like, it's honestly one of the best things that I've created 265 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:13,480 because I'm so happy with every episode. 266 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,640 And I'm so happy with the conversations and the feedback and all the things. 267 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,280 I'm just like, yes, yes, yes, yes. 268 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,280 Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. 269 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,000 Well, and like every episode, I mean, this is going to sound cheesy, I'm sure, but I 270 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,000 don't care. 271 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,560 So to me, it's like every episode you have is almost like a gift to yourself. 272 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:32,120 It's giving you time with yourself to not only listen to the words that you're saying, 273 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:37,120 but reflect on how they affect your body, how they affect your mind and your path. 274 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:38,960 And so that's why I love it just so, so much. 275 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,640 So I'm curious though, with like monetization, you had mentioned that it became very successful 276 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,160 very fast. 277 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,840 What avenues are you using to monetize the podcast? 278 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:55,800 So, I am coming from a different angle because I launched the podcast when I already had 279 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:01,880 a really large following and a large newsletter and I had a whole marketing team and a manager 280 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:02,880 and an agent. 281 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:09,280 And so I'm, you know, what I'm going to share perhaps isn't, you know, people's experience 282 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,400 if they're launching it from the ground up. 283 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,200 But here's a couple of things that are very helpful for anyone, wherever you are. 284 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:21,120 The way monetization happened for me is I was already doing a lot of content for other 285 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:23,560 brands and social media. 286 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,800 I was already speaking for other brands. 287 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,040 I was already going to other companies and doing, you know, different things for other 288 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,040 companies. 289 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,040 So it just became kind of an easier thing to just say, hey, I can come speak, I can 290 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,120 come do this talk. 291 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:37,260 And then what about you? 292 00:18:37,260 --> 00:18:42,000 You advertise on a podcast and what about you sponsor this dance practice that I'm going 293 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,000 to have. 294 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,240 So we just, we were able to do this kind of integrated marketing where I'll post on social 295 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,560 media, I'll mention in my newsletter, I will do something for your company and then you 296 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,680 sponsor the episode. 297 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,540 So it was this integrated marketing approach to it. 298 00:18:56,540 --> 00:19:00,920 So I just reached out, my team reached out to a lot of the brands that I had already 299 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:06,460 worked with in the past to then sponsor the podcast. 300 00:19:06,460 --> 00:19:10,320 So that was, if you already have a sort of a built in community and you already have 301 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,720 brands that you're working with, let's reach out to them and see if they want to sponsor 302 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,800 the episode, the show. 303 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:17,800 So that's one side. 304 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:25,560 On the other side, get affiliates, find brands that you love what they do, that are very 305 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,960 well established, they are already doing big things. 306 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,360 I think we often feel like we have to recreate the wheel. 307 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:34,600 Some people created the wheel and it's moving smoothly. 308 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,640 Don't think you need to recreate that thing. 309 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,140 Work with them and create your own wheel. 310 00:19:39,140 --> 00:19:40,720 Create your own thing after. 311 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,120 So the affiliate stuff is very important. 312 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:50,040 Reach out to brands, companies that have amazing affiliate programs and incorporate different 313 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,840 affiliate links throughout the show. 314 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:58,040 At the beginning, in the middle, and the end perhaps too, but work with the affiliate and 315 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,200 reach out to them and say, hey, I'm doing something unique on my show. 316 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,760 I think your brand could really use this. 317 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:10,520 And if your affiliate is this amount for regularly, why don't we up to this for my company? 318 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,560 So I've done affiliate for a variety of different people. 319 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:20,880 And it's amazing because you are always going to have someone clicking on that link and 320 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:21,960 being interested in it. 321 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:28,120 But most important, with any brand partnership, this is like, I was like moving on without 322 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:33,560 saying this, with every brand partnership and with every sponsorship, with every affiliate, 323 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:39,080 you must see if they have integrity about their brand and their business the same way 324 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,260 that you do. 325 00:20:40,260 --> 00:20:42,120 They must have integrity. 326 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:46,480 They must be doing something of benefit into the world. 327 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:51,760 That will help me have a full body yes when I'm working with a brand. 328 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,120 Instead of like, maybe it's really well paid, but maybe. 329 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:58,920 And then if it's a maybe, it's a hell no for me. 330 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,360 When there is like full integrity, it's a hell yeah. 331 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:03,680 Okay, that makes complete sense. 332 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,640 And I'm so glad you said that because so many people, whenever they start podcasting, they 333 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,200 think, oh, okay, I got to create merch or I got to create digital products. 334 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,600 And it's like, no, you don't. 335 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,720 You can start with affiliate products and be a partner. 336 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,320 And I also like what you said about making sure that it's someone who has integrity because 337 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,760 far too many people are only looking at the paycheck. 338 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,520 They're not looking at whether or not it aligns with their values. 339 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,800 And so I'm just so glad you said all of that. 340 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,280 That's fantastic. 341 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,560 So what are you doing right now to promote your podcast, if anything? 342 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,040 Oh, we're doing so much. 343 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,960 I love it. 344 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:45,880 We are doing a newsletter and we promote on Instagram every Sunday. 345 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:53,400 I, you know, most regularly I post an audiogram on my grid. 346 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,200 I post multiple stories. 347 00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:00,440 We send all the promotional material to every guest who's on the show to for them to promote 348 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:01,440 to. 349 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,480 And I think that's kind of it. 350 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:11,880 And I just regularly promote the episodes because I'm just so proud of the work. 351 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,920 I'm just so proud of what we're putting out there. 352 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:24,160 It's really amazing, juicy, delicious conversations that move me deeply. 353 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,200 And you know, it's just like, I'm just proud of the work. 354 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,120 And when you're proud of the work, you feel excited to share. 355 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:31,120 I love that. 356 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:34,560 So now do your guests, like, do you find that they often are willing to promote or do you 357 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,800 ever have trouble getting the guests to promote the episodes too? 358 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,520 No, that's a good question. 359 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,480 And to be honest, I don't really care. 360 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,440 I feel like if the guest promotes, great. 361 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:45,440 If they don't, great. 362 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:50,080 I feel like my community is like really loving what I'm doing. 363 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:55,000 They're coming to me for a very unique experience of spirituality. 364 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,440 So therefore, I feel like if the guest promotes, great. 365 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,760 But it's really like, you know, and to be honest, yeah, I have these big superstars 366 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,280 in the podcast with a lot more followers than I do. 367 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:14,360 But oftentimes, it's just people who are living with enormous integrity, who are actually 368 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:18,440 devoted to healing, who are actually devoted to making the world a better place. 369 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,800 So I don't care how much followers. 370 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,240 I don't care the size of the newsletter. 371 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,800 I don't care about any of that stuff. 372 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,200 I just scare about the guests having something of value to offer the audience. 373 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,640 So if they share, great. 374 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,800 If they don't, great. 375 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:35,200 We're doing our part, you know, and I also have to say that, like, again, consistency 376 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:42,520 will get you to be ranked on the platforms. 377 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:49,160 And you have to ask the audience to subscribe, to review, to, you know, to do all the things 378 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,400 and to share with their friends, you know. 379 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,840 So give a create a little outro that says if you love the show, please subscribe, review, 380 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:04,480 send it to your friends, your family, you know, like, you know, like, don't be afraid 381 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,680 of, of, of, you know, letting people know that you're excited about what you created. 382 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:16,760 I think we're living in a society of like, you know, of being like, so critical of other 383 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,080 people and so much judgment and so much envy and jealousy. 384 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,120 So you just got to remember that people who are spilling out, who are being judgmental 385 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:30,280 or critical were, or just, you know, like plainly mean about what you're creating. 386 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,120 They're in pain because someone is at peace with themselves. 387 00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:38,920 They would never speak pain into the world or cause pain to another human ever. 388 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,120 It's just like a natural law. 389 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:46,160 You recognize that, you know, we are each other and we are, we are really like interdependent 390 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,680 and interconnected across every mystical tradition. 391 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:49,680 You know this. 392 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:55,160 So if you're at peace, you recognize our interdependence, therefore harming them, it's harming yourself. 393 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,760 So that goes with the podcast too. 394 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,720 If you're, you know, boldly and loudly and excited about sharing your podcast and people 395 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,640 start being sort of mean and vicious about it and you start to feel down, just recognize 396 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:07,960 that they're in pain. 397 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,580 So when we're hurt, we hurt others and we're at peace, we bring peace into the world. 398 00:25:12,580 --> 00:25:14,280 So don't, don't get attached to it. 399 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,640 Let it come and let it pass. 400 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,240 You know, just keep, just keep going, keep being bold about it and fierce about it. 401 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,280 It's interesting you say that because you had a video you did recently where you were basically 402 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:31,080 responding to one of your haters and it was fascinating that your community is so positive 403 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,640 that they were like, yeah, we want what you've got. 404 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,920 So it's kind of interesting to me how like, even though you do have people that are giving 405 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:45,240 you the, you know, the hate, you come out of it with such positivity and it's just beautiful. 406 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,640 Ears in the making though, ears in the making. 407 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,720 That's not to say that at the beginning of me, you know, coming out as queer and really 408 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,480 embracing that I'm brown and I'm queer. 409 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,480 Oh my God. 410 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:01,800 Like I'm statistically not meant to succeed in a society that's, you know, very, that's 411 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,400 saying that that isn't normal. 412 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,200 That isn't, that isn't the highest vision. 413 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:11,440 That isn't the, the, the, the, you know, the vision of, of beauty and success. 414 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,720 So at the beginning I was, you know, responding to pain with more pain. 415 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,200 So it's ears in the making to get to a point where I'm actually able to see someone being 416 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,600 hateful and recognize that they just need to be loved and cared for. 417 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,460 And perhaps I don't have the love and care that I don't have the tools and resources 418 00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:33,000 to offer them the love and care that they need, but perhaps I know someone who does, 419 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,500 perhaps I can recommend them to somebody. 420 00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:38,920 Perhaps I can just point that person to someone, you know? 421 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:46,200 So oftentimes with compassion and, and it's really about, you know, not entering into 422 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,600 a mindset of hate back, but truly recognize that that person needs to be alleviated from 423 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,440 their suffering the same way that we do. 424 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,720 And sometimes we don't have the resources. 425 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,640 So get out of the way and find a way to offer resources, someone else's resource so that 426 00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,640 person's causing pain. 427 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,640 Does that make sense? 428 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,640 Yes, it does. 429 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,640 Absolutely. 430 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:03,640 And it reminds me of Denise Duffield Thomas. 431 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,120 I don't know if you're familiar with her. 432 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:08,880 I'll have to cut this part out, but she's known as Lucky Bitch online. 433 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,760 But she often says, if you can't forgive someone, then talk to them as if you're talking to 434 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,560 the child version of them. 435 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,120 You know, that way you're not looking at them as the mean adult that they are. 436 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:22,000 You're looking at them as the helpless child who was hurt. 437 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,000 That's right. 438 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,000 That's right. 439 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,000 And I love that. 440 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,000 Yeah. 441 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,400 So, yeah, you've done a lot. 442 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,800 I mean, you have a lot of episodes. 443 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,800 You keep showing up in our community pages. 444 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,400 I mean, you're on fire, but I have to ask you, do you think it's because of the niche 445 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,480 that you chose? 446 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,840 Not that you didn't go seeking that niche. 447 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,480 It sounds like it found you, but do you think it's your niche that is making you so successful? 448 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,840 Yes, absolutely. 449 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,360 I think so. 450 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:52,920 And I think it's, I say this often to people, and I was just talking to my partner earlier 451 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:53,920 today. 452 00:27:53,920 --> 00:28:00,800 It's like, for people who are wanting to express themselves creatively, yes, look around, be 453 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,360 inspired by other people, and then pause, and then go inside. 454 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:07,480 Close your eyes, journal about it. 455 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:14,320 Let your own muse, orient your life, orient your words, orient your creativity. 456 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,960 Do a practice that will awaken the inner muse, the inner creative muse for yourself, and 457 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:26,720 then allow her to orient your next step, your next thoughts, your next words. 458 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,560 So I think for anyone who's starting your podcast now and wanting to create something 459 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:36,080 of value, something that's impactful, look around at people, what other people are doing, 460 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,360 get inspired by them, and then say, okay, I have taken this week to do research. 461 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,680 Now I'm going to take the next three weeks to cultivate and tickle and flirt with the 462 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,000 muse that lives in my heart. 463 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,160 What can I do to bring the muse to life? 464 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,520 You know, dance, meditate, pray, go be of service, go laugh, you know, garden. 465 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,320 There's a variety of different things you can do to activate the muse. 466 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,360 And then during those moments of activation and dancing with the muse, you're going to 467 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,280 hear the whispers from the heart. 468 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:10,520 The muse will speak to you and say, this is what the podcast should be about. 469 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,840 And these are the questions you should ask. 470 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,040 I love asking specific questions on the show. 471 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:22,480 And then I of course also love, you know, having tailoring questions because my team 472 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,640 does the research on the guests, and then they send me all the questions that the guest 473 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,560 wants me to ask them, and then they send me questions that they researched the guest, 474 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,960 the questions based on what they researched the guest. 475 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,240 And then I also have my own intuitive hits and intuitive downloads of what I need to 476 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,240 ask the guest. 477 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,280 So it's, it's a, it's a, there is, there's quite a bit of moving parts that happen behind 478 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,560 every episode, you know. 479 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,200 So you get those goddess winks while you're talking to them. 480 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,200 That's right. 481 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,200 Yes, I love it. 482 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,200 I love it. 483 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,200 Okay. 484 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,120 Well, so what do you see for the future of your podcast? 485 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,240 What do I see for the future of the podcast? 486 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,600 One thing that we're launching soon is more of my life updates. 487 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,880 You know, I think that's people are, since I've left Los Angeles and I went nomadic, 488 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,080 me and my partner have gone nomadic. 489 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:19,720 We put our house in storage and we got rid of the car and we just decided to live nomadically 490 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,920 in these pilgrimage places around the world. 491 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,640 So what we did, we recorded an episode last week, so I'm going to go back to recording 492 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,960 now. 493 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,280 Mostly life updates. 494 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,880 And it's really like, it's not just me telling, hi, I hike the volcano. 495 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,760 Hey, I went to this water temple. 496 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,280 Oh my God, I met an oracle. 497 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,280 Oh my God, there was a snake in my, in my kitchen. 498 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:48,200 It's not that, you know, only it's that, but like, what did I learn from hiking a volcano 499 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,280 at four o'clock in the morning on New Year's Eve? 500 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,120 Like what did I learn from, from meeting an oracle and going to a water temple? 501 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,120 What was it like to wake up and have a huge snake in the kitchen? 502 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,340 You know, cause I live in a jungle and it's an open kitchen. 503 00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:08,200 So things like that happen, you know, monkeys come, snakes come, all kinds of, of, of lizards, 504 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,200 all kinds of size. 505 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,200 They just show up. 506 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,200 So it's life updates. 507 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,720 It's something that I think the community is wanting. 508 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,120 And I also, you know, was reflecting on it through a psychological sort of evidence-based 509 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,400 and spiritual perspective too. 510 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:31,080 When we retell the things that we like about our day, it restructured the architecture 511 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,080 of our brain. 512 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:38,560 It watered the seeds of positivity and relaxation and gratitude in our mind and it opens our 513 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:39,560 heart. 514 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,800 So this is why journaling, gratitude journaling, you know, things you're grateful for in a 515 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,600 day or the things that happen in your day that you're happy about, you know, the good 516 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,440 things that you've done. 517 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:54,440 Thinking about them regularly reinforces at a, at a, at a, at a physiological level in 518 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,000 your brain, of course, psychologically in the mind and spiritually in the heart. 519 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,400 So those life updates are both an offering to the community and also an offering for 520 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:12,040 me to, to, you know, remember and really feel energized and, and, and to, you know, carry 521 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:17,240 those memories with a little, you know, a little tighter, closer to me, you know, because 522 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,720 we have the negativity bias, you know, wired into our brain, wired into our mind. 523 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,720 So therefore we are constantly just looking out for the negatives and only remember the 524 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,080 negative parts of our life and not really focusing so much on the, on the good things 525 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,080 that happen. 526 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,760 So life updates are coming to you. 527 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:33,760 Yeah. 528 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,760 What is it? 529 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,240 They say the lizard brain, it's such a hater. 530 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,240 That's right. 531 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,240 Lizard brain. 532 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,240 Yeah. 533 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,240 Such a hater. 534 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,080 Now I have at least, I have at least five people that I know that are going to be very 535 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,120 upset with me if I don't ask you this. 536 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,440 How did the Cardi B thing happen? 537 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,640 Oh, yes. 538 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,040 So the Cardi B happened the same way that the Kanye West thing happened. 539 00:32:53,040 --> 00:33:01,240 It's like, they find me, you know, and it's, and then it's many talks, many talks, many 540 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:10,320 contracts, many things I can't say anything about, you know, and it's, someone reaches 541 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:16,360 out to you on email or someone introduces you because they like your work to them. 542 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:23,080 And then it was months in the making for me to come and film with Cardi B that day. 543 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:28,520 We're trying to figure out like, what would be the best healing practice for her and for 544 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,400 the show? 545 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,680 What's something that would look beautiful, that would feel energizing and healing for 546 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,680 her? 547 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,640 And then we changed the practice a few times because, you know, Cardi was pregnant when 548 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,560 we were filming the episode. 549 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,440 But if there's one thing that I always, you know, speak to people, and it was the first 550 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:55,720 thing that kind of set me off to go, you know, live in Indian Nepal years ago in the spring 551 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,740 of 2014 was forgiveness. 552 00:33:58,740 --> 00:34:02,520 I didn't know how to forgive myself and I didn't know how to forgive other people and 553 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,480 I didn't know how to ask for forgiveness. 554 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:10,560 You know, I had been trained and I think, you know, people could relate to this, to 555 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,040 act in a polar opposite of letting go and making peace with the past and recognizing 556 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:20,160 my mistakes and not make, are not who I am and people's, the way people have caused me 557 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:25,960 pain that behavior isn't who they are, although we see as behavior as who someone is at the 558 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,160 base of their being. 559 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:32,080 So it was through the practice of forgiveness that I realized that like, you know, we're 560 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:38,320 not our mistakes and we actually have the choice to stop the cycle of pain going forward 561 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,040 and forgiveness a gift to yourself and I mean, yada yada, I can talk about forgiveness for 562 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,240 hours and hours and hours. 563 00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:48,200 But when I thought about what is one thing that I would like to offer Cardi B and that 564 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:56,200 huge audience was forgiveness and how do we make forgiveness cool and appealing, it was 565 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:02,960 during an art ritual where we're painting using... 566 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,360 Which was my favorite part of that episode, by the way. 567 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,120 I don't mean to interrupt, but that was my favorite, like watching y'all paint, that 568 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,600 was my favorite part of the episode. 569 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,200 For anybody who's listening to this who has no idea what we're talking about, SA got this 570 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:19,120 amazing opportunity to actually do a healing practice with Cardi B and it's on Facebook 571 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,200 right now and we'll definitely leave a link down below because it's an epic video. 572 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,680 Oh, thank you, honey. 573 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,840 Yeah, so it was an amazing opportunity to share forgiveness. 574 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:34,880 I said, you know, if whatever, however, it goes down in a day, at least I am happy that 575 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:41,840 I was able to share a forgiveness practice with such a legendary iconic star and you 576 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:47,760 watch her having resistance through the first part of the forgiveness ritual and then she 577 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,840 comes in full circle and says, you know, she says those words, forgiving them is a gift 578 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,840 to myself. 579 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:59,120 You know, I feel more at peace and so, you know, give yourself the laugh and go watch 580 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,120 the episode. 581 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,800 Oh, it's a fantastic episode. 582 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,940 Well, I'm going to ask you the one thing that I ask everyone. 583 00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:08,360 What is one thing that I didn't ask you, you really wish I had? 584 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,000 Oh my God, honey. 585 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,000 I know. 586 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,640 Put you on the spot there. 587 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,360 I know. 588 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,960 One thing you didn't ask me that I wish you did. 589 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,640 How about my painting practice, my personal painting practice that I'm looking at my painting 590 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,640 right now. 591 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:32,880 I haven't painted in 20 years, but I started since moving to Bali and I'm painting, you 592 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:38,160 know, I'm really using creativity as I use with Cardi to express my heart, to, you know, 593 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:43,600 really heal my relationship to my past, to anchor myself more in the present moment. 594 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,240 And I'm not a painter and I don't have traditional training. 595 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,520 I'm just looking at it and like, oh my goodness, honey, that's a mess. 596 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:57,960 But I'm just happy with the, my choice to create with my pain, to use it as inspiration 597 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,080 for liberation, you know. 598 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,680 What's the one message that, the one message that keeps coming through is forgiveness. 599 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:10,640 But is there any other message you really want to leave with the listeners of this episode? 600 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,440 One other message that I wish to leave with the listeners of the episode. 601 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,360 I'm putting you on the spot left and right. 602 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,360 I know. 603 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,360 Yeah. 604 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,360 And I don't do well with that either. 605 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,560 I mean, people have like those fire rapid fire questions. 606 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:25,560 I'm like, honey, I can't do it. 607 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,120 I asked my team to like, make sure to cut that out of every episode. 608 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,120 Cause I'm like, I don't know. 609 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,120 But if you want, we can cut it. 610 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,120 No, no, no. 611 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,280 What's one message I can leave with people. 612 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:42,880 It's I think we should just, you know, emphasize the importance of learning to forgive yourself, 613 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:49,400 forgive others and ask for forgiveness and recognize that forgiveness is the nectar of 614 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,080 presence and it's the gateway to unconditional love. 615 00:37:54,080 --> 00:38:00,560 So if you want to experience genuine self care, learn to forgive yourself. 616 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,360 Well my fellow podcasters, I hope you enjoyed all the amazing insights that Saadi Simone 617 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