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So, um, now what do you wish you had known whenever you were first planning your very

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first podcasts?

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Cause I know you've been working with John for a while, but on your very first one that

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you were kind of taking the reins of with Kate's take and ditch busy, what do you wish

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you had known that you didn't before?

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Yeah.

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I mean, we've already touched on it a little bit here, but it's, um, about not, not everything

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has to be perfect.

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Not everything is going to be perfect.

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Um, I remember when I launched Kate's take, I was like so focused on the fact that it

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was a topic based show and I was being a little bit like over the top about, no, my topics

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have to flow.

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Like it has to make sense and it has to be a progression.

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And like by episode 400, I was like, I'm going to talk about whatever like my audience is

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asking me, what questions I see on Facebook, like what conversations I'm having with people

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at events.

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And those were always my best episodes.

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Very rarely, unless it's an actual serialized podcast, are your listeners going and thinking

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like this is awkward, Kate's talking about systems.

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And last week she talked about marketing.

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Like nobody's doing that.

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Right?

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So are you sure?

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I'm just kidding.

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So there's things like that where I, I was putting so much bandwidth into that, that

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I was missing the whole idea of like just starting, getting better, recording more episodes,

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engaging with my audience, making my content better, becoming a better host, becoming a

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better speaker.

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Like all of those things are the things that are important.

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That's how you're going to get better.

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That's how you're going to figure out how to grow your audience is when you start learning

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to be better on the microphone, create better content that your audience wants and engage

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with your audience so that you actually have a connection and can form community.

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Those are like the pillars of what's going to make this work, not whether or not your

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episodes match up well together.

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I love that.

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I love that.

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So now is there anything that you think can't be systematized?

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I already know the answer, but I just want to hear it anyway.

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In my mind, no.

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Good, good.

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I love that.

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I love that so much.

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Is there anything that you see podcasters doing that drives you bananas when it comes

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to systems and processes?

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Not using them.

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No, yes.

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Okay.

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That makes perfect sense.

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That makes perfect sense.

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But I mean, there is like, I do think that maybe you have an hour or so one day and you're

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like, okay, I'm going to do this.

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And you actually spend the time to put something in place.

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But then the next, like when you go to do your recording or whatever, you don't have

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anything scheduled and your prep isn't ready.

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And like, sometimes I see people put the steps in place, but then not leverage them.

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I know that creating systems and like getting on that, it takes time and it is a huge investment

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to get it started.

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But I've never spoken with someone who has adopted a system and actually implemented

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it and been mad about the fact that they did that or thought like, what a waste of time

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that was like, I've never experienced that.

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So it's all about like following through with it, actually implementing it, like hold yourself

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accountable.

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And if you don't feel like you can hold yourself accountable, get into a community, a group,

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get an accountability partner, join a mastermind, like tell your friend that you're really working

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hard on this and ask them to follow up with you next week to see how everything's going.

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Like start putting stops in place so that it, because otherwise it's way too easy to

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push it to the back burner.