1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,040 Good evening everyone and welcome to the Paranormal Minds of JSC. 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:20,120 I'm your host Joshua and I'm here with my two co-hosts Shane and Tommy. 3 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,880 And tonight we will be discussing remote viewing. 4 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:29,400 Seeing remote or hidden objects clairvoyantly with the mind's eye or astral projection. 5 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:35,760 The studies of this really didn't start until the mid 19th century. 6 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:42,760 There were a few researchers, Michael Faraday, Alfred Wallace, Rufus Mason, William Crooks. 7 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:48,720 Their work was very focused, experimental on specific individuals. 8 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,840 They were just thought to be gifted. 9 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,720 There was nothing proven to be there, you know. 10 00:00:53,720 --> 00:01:00,320 It was kind of dark until the 1930s, J.B. Reim kind of made it a more broad study. 11 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,640 And to more less focused groups I guess. 12 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,520 And was still like, I don't know if I should publicize this because he didn't want to be 13 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,800 criticized just like the last researchers didn't. 14 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:18,000 The 60s and the 1960s, it was more of a new age way of thinking. 15 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,200 Human potential movement peaked. 16 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:25,440 This interest in conscious studies was more prevalent and it tended to help fund more 17 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,640 research into concepts like remote viewing. 18 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:34,840 And the 1970s is really when it started up for the United States. 19 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:42,400 Soviet Union was believed to have been spending 60 million rupals a year in psychotronic research. 20 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,400 You know the United States is like, no that's not gonna work. 21 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,320 We need our own kind of thing. 22 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:50,240 We need a physicist from Stanford Research Institute, really what got it started. 23 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,840 It's Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff. 24 00:01:53,840 --> 00:02:00,120 And the government's like, they spent 20 million dollars in the span of these, what, 20 years. 25 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,600 It's only active between the 70s and to the 90s, like mid 90s. 26 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,000 So they spent over 20 million dollars, I guess, in the first few years of this. 27 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,480 But it's pretty cool in the fact that they pulled in a guy supposedly off the streets. 28 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:14,880 I don't know how true that is. 29 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,000 He was a New York artist. 30 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,200 They had a destination and a sealed envelope where the researchers were like, all right, 31 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,480 we're gonna go to this place. 32 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,320 We need you to describe where we're at. 33 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,600 They went to Palo Alto City Hall is where they went in California. 34 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,880 The guy's name was Ingo Swan. 35 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:36,320 The way what he described was this, what he thought was a fountain, but there was no 36 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:41,800 sound of running water and that the sidewalks converged with circles around. 37 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,160 And there was a fountain in the middle of the courtyard and it was not turned on. 38 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:51,560 And the courtyard was paved in an X pattern, but in the center of the, where the crosswalks 39 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:56,960 would meet, it would be more of a roundabout instead of a, you know, four-way intersection. 40 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,880 So I thought that was kind of cool. 41 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:05,600 But says one of the biggest successes was a Soviet spy spy plane had gone down in Africa. 42 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:12,880 And there was one lady, Rosemary Smith that they used to kind of, to use the remote viewing 43 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,760 to find this plane because they had been surveying couldn't find it that flown over numerous 44 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:18,760 times. 45 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,960 Well, she gave them specific latitude and longitude coordinates and they found a plane. 46 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,240 It had switched a lot of hands by the nineties called all kinds of different things. 47 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:33,480 The problem with it was is like in the earlier stages of all this, there was the, the routines 48 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:39,600 or the guidelines set down were so kind of, they weren't really to the T. 49 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,080 They weren't studied close enough. 50 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,880 And there was just a lot of room for error. 51 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,440 So nobody ever believed that any of this was working. 52 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:51,200 So eventually in the bottom mid nineties there, they just canceled it. 53 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:59,240 And they, as soon as they canceled it, de-declassified all 70,000 documents that had been, you know, 54 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,880 shown up. 55 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:09,760 But it was just a crazy thing to me that, and it's talked about a lot more to that this 56 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:15,080 isn't just a clairvoyant thing, like any person's supposed to be able to do this. 57 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,280 And it's like, just takes practice and study. 58 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:19,280 But I, you know, there's books written on it. 59 00:04:19,280 --> 00:04:20,880 I don't know, what do you guys think about it? 60 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:27,840 You think it's a possible thing for, you know, anybody to do it or would you need special 61 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:28,840 abilities? 62 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:36,520 And I think everybody has the potential for all sorts of psychic, you know, capabilities. 63 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,040 I'm sure you guys, have you ever seen those little intuition tests? 64 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,960 They were popular on the internet a few years ago. 65 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,160 I'm sure they're still floating around, but it's like, hey, guess what animal is in this 66 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,160 envelope? 67 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:53,880 And people would, you know, guess the animal and you read the comments back on whatever 68 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,800 whatever was posted on. 69 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,880 And I would attend to believe them that a lot of people got them right. 70 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,720 So I know that's not a wondrous ability, but that's the start of it. 71 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,800 Like you just said, Josh, you know, if you train it, practice it. 72 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:14,000 Yeah, I'm sure everybody could develop this lucid dreaming in a way. 73 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000 Yeah. 74 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Yeah. 75 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,800 There was a lot of talk of that, like an out of body experience experience. 76 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,760 And I know people have dabbled in that. 77 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,760 So I mean, I think it could be something, honestly. 78 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,360 Pretty cool thing to be able to do personally. 79 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,560 Like I've always wanted to be like, to be able to astral project and just kind of walk 80 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:32,560 around. 81 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:33,560 Yeah, that'd be pretty cool. 82 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,640 You know, kind of like what they say happens to people, like when they die and are able 83 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,600 to see like what the doctor is exactly doing to them. 84 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,120 And this, this was all part of a project Stargate, you said? 85 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:50,920 Yeah, they called, well, like I said, it had many names, but it was finally christened 86 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,000 Stargate project and then in like 1991, I think. 87 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,000 Okay. 88 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,240 I really liked that show Stargate. 89 00:05:58,240 --> 00:05:59,240 You remember that? 90 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,240 That was a good show. 91 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,240 Stargate SG-1. 92 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,240 Yeah. 93 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,240 That was a good show. 94 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,240 It was. 95 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:13,160 I didn't like when they went to like Stargate, was that universe where they had like a college 96 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,640 on board or some crap? 97 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:15,640 It was weird. 98 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:16,640 Oh, yeah. 99 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,640 I don't think I made it that far. 100 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,760 They always tend to mess that kind of stuff up. 101 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:27,560 Isn't this also based off of like the men who stare at goats in a way? 102 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:28,560 Yeah. 103 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,840 I think there was movies written about it or a book in a movie, I think. 104 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:33,840 Early 2000. 105 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:34,840 Yeah. 106 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:35,840 Yeah. 107 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:38,640 After they declassified, they wrote the book Men Who Stare at Goats and then the movie 108 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,840 with a, wasn't it George Clooney? 109 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:41,840 Yeah. 110 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:42,840 Yeah. 111 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:43,840 Yeah. 112 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:44,840 That was actually a pretty funny movie. 113 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:45,840 I don't guess I've ever seen it. 114 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:48,840 I'm gonna have to watch it now. 115 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:50,240 Oh, right? 116 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,960 I think the guy that's titled was one of the psychic abilities they were trying to teach 117 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,640 was that these guys could stare at you and kill you with the psychic ability. 118 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,040 So they would practice on goats. 119 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,040 I'm not gonna lie. 120 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,560 After seeing that, I stare. 121 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,200 I'm not gonna say goats, but I stared at, you know, some squirrels in the yard to just 122 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,200 try. 123 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,040 But you're gonna die today. 124 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,600 What gets me is like, I know I got something pulled up. 125 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:24,160 Of course, you see things like pseudo science and stuff, but for different, I'm seeing like 126 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:29,080 UK studied it, Soviet Union and like all these. 127 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:35,360 So my personal opinion is there has to be something of some type of merit behind it. 128 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:36,360 Right? 129 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,480 Yeah, you would think. 130 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,520 You know, especially going back, what'd you say, like the 30s? 131 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,960 Well, it went all the way back to the mid 19th century. 132 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,680 It's documented as far as I know, I mean, even further than that, because it's always 133 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:57,680 been you hear stories of people back in the day of psychic abilities being able to see 134 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:58,680 in the future. 135 00:07:58,680 --> 00:07:59,680 And that's that. 136 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:00,680 The other what's to say. 137 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:01,680 It's not the same thing. 138 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:02,680 Right? 139 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:03,680 Yeah, I feel it would be. 140 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,960 I mean, you like you said, you had these stories of people that able to see into the 141 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:14,320 future and I there's so much that we can do with our minds that scientists just don't 142 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,200 even understand, you know. 143 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,440 So I mean, I'm in conjugal. 144 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:23,560 There could be something behind it, maybe not killing goats by staring at them. 145 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,440 But I mean, why not? 146 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,160 I'm also saying that couldn't happen. 147 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,800 Are you guys down to try a little little experiment with us? 148 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:40,120 I found a little guide on just simple remote viewing or clairvoyance. 149 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,120 Yeah. 150 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,120 All right. 151 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,960 So I have a dry raceboard in front of me. 152 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,880 I'm going to draw. 153 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:46,880 Let's keep it simple. 154 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,280 Let me just do a sheet. 155 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,240 Are you drawing a circle? 156 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,080 That's all that they haven't talked you through it yet. 157 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,880 And I'm going to like develop your your remote viewing abilities. 158 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,800 All right. 159 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,240 So first release, release your fears. 160 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,840 Like I don't know how you do that, but like get rid of it. 161 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:07,840 Maybe like chanting. 162 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,520 I'm willing to release all of my fear of something. 163 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,040 So just kind of recite that in your head. 164 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,240 Shane, we're millennials. 165 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,960 We're terrified of everything. 166 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,520 That's going to be a difficult task. 167 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:19,520 All right. 168 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:20,520 We'll start chanting. 169 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,520 All right. 170 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:24,800 Increase your visual. 171 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,480 Step two is increase your visual imagination. 172 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,040 So just kind of start imagining yourself holding seven balloons. 173 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,280 Each balloon should be a different color. 174 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,760 Let go of the balloons one by one and watch each one float away. 175 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,080 Step three, form a specific question. 176 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,920 Like ask yourself, will I enjoy my work tomorrow? 177 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:46,920 Okay. 178 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,680 So have just that specific question in your head. 179 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:50,680 Open your third eye. 180 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:51,680 Okay. 181 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:53,720 I don't know how to explain how to do that. 182 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:54,720 All right. 183 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:55,720 But those are the simple steps. 184 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,280 So I can get how you can develop that. 185 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,080 So you work on doing those more and more. 186 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,600 You increase your imagination. 187 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:09,000 You're being able to focus on specific questions and then really your third eye, you're just 188 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,280 opening yourself up for the experience. 189 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,280 Right? 190 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,280 What shape did I draw? 191 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,680 Like you just let it come to you. 192 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:16,920 Don't think about it. 193 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,400 Just first thing that comes in your head. 194 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:20,900 What shape did I draw? 195 00:10:20,900 --> 00:10:21,900 Trapezoid. 196 00:10:21,900 --> 00:10:22,900 Square. 197 00:10:22,900 --> 00:10:23,900 It is a square. 198 00:10:23,900 --> 00:10:24,900 Is it a square? 199 00:10:24,900 --> 00:10:25,900 It is. 200 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:26,900 Oh, so it's simple. 201 00:10:26,900 --> 00:10:29,400 See, I'm over here thinking all kinds of shit. 202 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:30,400 Oh, right. 203 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,600 I'm like this full because he's over here with us. 204 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,000 I know that's what he's doing. 205 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:41,000 No, I legit drew a square. 206 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:46,920 I'll take a picture and text it to you. 207 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,120 So right there, I mean, 50% success rate. 208 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,000 I mean, that's pretty good. 209 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,320 Yeah, but I did what essentially basic. 210 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,040 You're either going to draw a square or a circle because that's a basic easy shape to 211 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,640 draw real quick. 212 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:02,720 And I already said circle. 213 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,880 So I went with the 50% chance of. 214 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,000 It could have been a triangle for all on you, honestly. 215 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,400 Yeah, I should have been like Josh to trap. 216 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,480 I don't even know what a trapezoid is. 217 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,960 Yeah, I don't know. 218 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,920 It runs around in underwear. 219 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:18,920 It's all you need to know. 220 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,400 Freak is always. 221 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:29,760 But the 50% thing like their standards were, in my opinion, really low. 222 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,240 Like you needed 65% accuracy rate. 223 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,640 Yeah, and I'm like, dude, you know how vague you can really be. 224 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:43,640 And that's what the biggest problem was, is they were so vague with the descriptions. 225 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,800 Yeah, so kind of like John, no, it wasn't John. 226 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,080 I can't think of his name. 227 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,200 You know, the guy who did like the, he had like the talk show where he talked to dead 228 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,200 people. 229 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,000 Tell us of the crypt. 230 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,760 No, it was dead talk. 231 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:58,760 Wouldn't it? 232 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,880 No, that's not what it's called. 233 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,440 But yeah, like he would be vague. 234 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:08,680 John Edward, I know what he did was like, I don't want to say like a mentalist thing, 235 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:10,640 but like he was vague. 236 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:17,440 So like he would go in and be like, somebody's trying to talk to me their, their name has 237 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:25,120 a J, a J until someone raises their hand like, oh, you know, oh, yeah, that guy. 238 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:30,160 Yeah, I'm not saying like it was, what you're saying, like the how vague it was. 239 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,600 Yeah, not being that vague. 240 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,560 It probably was to be honest with you, but it was a cool concept to me. 241 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:40,880 And there's, there's different, I mean, I could, somebody could hand you something 242 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,960 and be like, okay, there is a replica of this somewhere else in the world. 243 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,720 Tell me where it's at the ability to be able to see that because, you know, there are people 244 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:55,680 that can, you can handle them stuff and they can feel the energies from it and, and the 245 00:12:55,680 --> 00:13:00,120 history of that item and tell you something about it that they don't know anything about 246 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,120 now. 247 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,200 And I feel like that's kind of more of what this is. 248 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:09,160 I, like I said, I know there's so much like our minds are capable of, like, because for 249 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:15,040 the longest time, you know, hypnosis was thought to be a type of pseudo science in a way, right? 250 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:20,080 But you know, they found that it actually in some cases works on like certain things 251 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:26,800 like stopping people from quit smoking or, you know, to even help with PTSD suffers. 252 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:32,920 I'm not talking about like turning somebody into a chicken type deal, but they've used 253 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:39,120 it for people who experience like a traumatic event and blocked it out, you know, like certain 254 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,920 parts they've used that for that. 255 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,520 So I mean, I'm not saying that it's not impossible at all. 256 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,000 I just, that made me, I wasn't going to say it. 257 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:53,360 I didn't want to sound like a nerd, but it's kind of like what Professor Xavier would do 258 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,760 to Jean Grey to lock away the Phoenix from coming out. 259 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:58,760 Yeah. 260 00:13:58,760 --> 00:13:59,760 That's where my mind went. 261 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,760 I was like, I'll just be quiet. 262 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,560 And there's nothing wrong with that. 263 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:08,960 So what else was notable from this project Stargate? 264 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,280 I love the fact that I'm sorry. 265 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:18,240 Well, one reading on it, like one of their methodologies was they would use tarot cards 266 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,840 according to Joseph Monagle. 267 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:28,680 The army never had a truly open aptitude towards physical psychic functioning. 268 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,640 Hence the use of the term giggle factor. 269 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:32,640 I just love that. 270 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,720 And they didn't care for it, but they funded it for a while, which I don't understand 271 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,240 why I guess because they wanted to be like, oh, we can make super soldiers. 272 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,440 That's probably what it was turning into. 273 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,760 I'm assuming that's going to be the basis of that movie too. 274 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,000 Every country say what they want. 275 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,400 They all try to develop super soldiers, right? 276 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:56,280 Russia at one point was trying to was it Russian where they were trying to use apes and DNA 277 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,760 to create like Planet of the Apes beans. 278 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,080 So apparently in goes one and Pat Price. 279 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,800 They were involved in Scientology. 280 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:06,800 Yeah. 281 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:07,800 Pat Price was killed. 282 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:08,800 It was uninvited. 283 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:14,000 They found him in a hotel room and they did not investigate it whatsoever. 284 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,800 And he was one of the more. 285 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:17,800 He was ESP. 286 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:23,840 He was trying to draw his viewings and he was more precise than most people were. 287 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,920 That's why they believe he got killed. 288 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,000 But what I don't understand is why they didn't investigate it. 289 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,480 It's like, oh, he died. 290 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,120 It's not a big deal. 291 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,680 The CIA killed him. 292 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:33,680 Right. 293 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,520 Because from what I'm really like, he was working with maps and photographs provided 294 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:44,200 to him by the CIA, which you information from facilities behind Soviet line. 295 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,160 Actually, you know what? 296 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:51,480 You think about it if they develop these skills and could use it against other countries, 297 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:57,560 other governments, our government would realize pretty quickly that they were a liability 298 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,160 or they were a threat against their selves. 299 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:06,800 Like oh man, this person can see beyond walls what's stopping them from looking beyond our 300 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:07,800 walls. 301 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:08,800 Right. 302 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:09,800 Yeah. 303 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,680 That could be, you know, hey, why it was shut down. 304 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:16,640 And then you said Pat Price ended up dead, did any of the other ones, are they still 305 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,400 alive or Russell Targ is still alive. 306 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:25,520 He was a researcher, though he wasn't one of the, I think, I think Ingo, I think he 307 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,020 lived. 308 00:16:27,020 --> 00:16:32,560 I just like the fact that he that may work as the principal investigator judge and the 309 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,520 star gatekeeper. 310 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,160 I want to be a part of this project. 311 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,480 I want to be able to put star gatekeeper on the resume. 312 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,080 Be nice. 313 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,600 I wonder if it was ever actually shut down or if they were just like, look, let's take 314 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,800 this out of the public's eye, claim to be shut down. 315 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,440 They shut this part down because this one is like, we're going to shut this down and 316 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:55,440 release it. 317 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,920 And people don't think this is so wild and crazy, but keep the other part that actually 318 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:00,920 works going. 319 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,440 And maybe people make fun of this, but we transcended this. 320 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,760 Now we can kill people from, you know, like remote viewing. 321 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:09,760 I shouldn't say that. 322 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:10,760 I could kill them. 323 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:11,760 It could even be. 324 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,960 I know you said, you know, they kept other parts of it going. 325 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:20,400 Maybe all of it was successful, except for the few people they brought to light. 326 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,880 You know, this is right at the age of technology, right? 327 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,040 He said the men 90s is when it shut down. 328 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:30,960 So that's a good time to up security, move them places, you know, because before then 329 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,960 everything, there was record everything now since technology. 330 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,800 No one's, no one's going to know how to Google where this new base is, right? 331 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,760 But before that rumors would have been around and everybody knew of it. 332 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:43,760 Yeah. 333 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,120 Oh, they just threw a couple of these people out there. 334 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:49,240 So Pat Price did something to end up dead. 335 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:55,280 I see that they stopped using Swan because he informed somebody in the CIA about the 336 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,400 remote viewing and aliens. 337 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,120 These guys were some somehow connected with aliens. 338 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:04,520 I know our government these days has released that knowledge to all of us, but back back 339 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,360 then that was a big no no. 340 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:08,120 Yeah, definitely. 341 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:13,240 Do you think they've released anything to like sidetrack us because of what's going 342 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,360 on with like COVID and stuff like that? 343 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:17,680 It was oddly it was oddly timed. 344 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,960 I'm just saying for years it's been not to get off topic, but like it's just been like, 345 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,920 you know, hey, no, they don't exist. 346 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,400 No, we can't say anything. 347 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,520 Nobody will tell me anything. 348 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,600 And then all of a sudden it's like, oh yeah, they exist. 349 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,240 Or at least we have evidence of UFOs. 350 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,120 Did they actually release documents that you can see? 351 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:42,880 Like they were they were just like, hey, yeah, we know about this. 352 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,880 I know they released video evidence with like statements saying, yeah, we have no idea what 353 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:48,880 this is. 354 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,040 I think that's the furthest it went. 355 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,040 And just one CGI got really good. 356 00:18:55,040 --> 00:19:00,880 I mean, I when it comes to stuff like back to this, like dealing with the mind and all 357 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:05,840 that, I just don't, you know, there's so much we don't know about our mom. 358 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:12,640 Like I know there are people that say we have an ability through meditation and stuff like 359 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,960 Buddhist monks and stuff like that, right? 360 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:21,400 Like able to heal ourselves faster, maybe not like, you know, you break your leg and 361 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,080 you just go, you know, my leg and it's back to normal. 362 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:31,160 But like a faster healing process, you know, if you get an infection or the flu or something, 363 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,680 you're able to heal faster by just like meditating or something like that. 364 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,320 You get what I'm saying. 365 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,320 Yeah. 366 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:42,760 I used to be a huge believer in all honesty that when, especially when I was in high school, 367 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:47,480 that I wanted to be able to like control every little aspect of what my body did. 368 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:52,120 And it's like the pain, my pain index, that's why it was so high when I was younger because 369 00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:54,400 I taught myself that it's only temporary. 370 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,520 Let it go and it stops and it does. 371 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:01,000 Now I don't know about losing a leg and it would definitely somebody run up and, you 372 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,400 know, smack me in the chest with a skateboard was nothing. 373 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:04,960 Yeah, yeah, I get it. 374 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,520 Like like training, essentially like training your pain receptors to be like, no, this isn't 375 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:10,520 that bad. 376 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:11,520 Right. 377 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,080 And I believe that you could tell, like you said, tell your body to heal yourself. 378 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,680 But I mean, it wouldn't be instant. 379 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,880 It would be maybe faster than it would a normal person. 380 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:26,160 You know, it's like, I was like, you couldn't tell it's like, heal your broken leg and just 381 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,520 snap back in place. 382 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:33,360 But like, instead of like six weeks, maybe four weeks or five weeks, you know, but I 383 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:36,080 know, I know, I know that's the thing. 384 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,680 Like at least that healing process. 385 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:44,480 So I mean, I think it could be possible to train the mind to go beyond what we believe 386 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:45,480 it's capable. 387 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:46,480 Oh yeah. 388 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,040 That's why you think it. 389 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,200 I guess, I guess we're kind of all on the same page. 390 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,200 We know. 391 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,440 Yeah, I think too. 392 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,440 It's easy. 393 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:54,440 Yeah. 394 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:59,520 Since we're all believers in the paranormal, you know, let's just take ghosts, for instance. 395 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,560 You know, there's a reason why people don't see ghosts and some people do. 396 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,880 It's that elevated perception. 397 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,120 It's that different ability of their individual minds. 398 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:14,640 So that's what I think, you know, you're more open for it. 399 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,360 There's there's something there that allows us to. 400 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:19,720 So we know all three of us are. 401 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,240 So yeah, this is this is one of those things we'll definitely agree on. 402 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,240 Yeah. 403 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,240 All right. 404 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,560 I feel like there's probably not going to be a whole lot that we don't agree on. 405 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:35,120 Tommy, you got to find some way to blame this on aliens like the aliens came and created 406 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:39,320 this whole project and gave us remote viewing powers and then took them away. 407 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,400 You know, you don't want to go with that theory. 408 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,680 Mermaid aliens, mermaid aliens. 409 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:49,880 I'm trying to figure out a way to bring aliens somehow. 410 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:55,120 Maybe they started the project when they crashed or no, the lights we were talking about in 411 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:56,120 the last episode. 412 00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:57,120 I don't know. 413 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:58,120 My mouth. 414 00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:02,320 They're actually projecting lights out into the field. 415 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,320 Yeah. 416 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,320 Yeah. 417 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,720 Those are actually aliens from other planets. 418 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:13,480 Now, see, this brings a whole new light into that concept because now they're just astro 419 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:21,920 projecting themselves for some reason, just in that really one spot for a good long time. 420 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:22,920 You got to get good. 421 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:23,920 You can't. 422 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,480 You can't run before you walk, man. 423 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,520 You got to stand in one place and astro project your soul right there. 424 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:29,520 Don't move. 425 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,520 That's a scary place. 426 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,520 I don't know. 427 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:38,480 I just thought it was kind of a cool thing that people could actually see. 428 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:39,480 Then it was working. 429 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,360 Then they could see these to an extent, I suppose. 430 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:49,080 I mean, like I said, when it comes to things like that, I believe the mind is more powerful. 431 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:57,880 I just believe like what we can comprehend about this world or this universe is so insignificant 432 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,160 to the actual picture of the universe. 433 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:05,080 You know, like, you know, everybody, we all want to feel like we got it figured out and 434 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:10,560 we have no idea in all honesty how it really works. 435 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,160 That's where I'm at on it. 436 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:17,120 Well, any any closing statements? 437 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:22,520 I think we should buy a couple of these books and practice it and be a fun thing to just 438 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,520 just try out. 439 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,440 Josh, you said you wanted to learn astral projection, then you could pop over have a 440 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,800 beer with me or something. 441 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,400 Yeah, that sounds like an awesome idea. 442 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,800 As a matter of fact, I love it. 443 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,400 What do you do when your soul gets drunk? 444 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,800 The look ain't no cars being driven. 445 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:40,800 This is true. 446 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,880 I may not make it back to this body, but we're going somewhere. 447 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,560 You start the zombie populace. 448 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,520 Oh, you might might land and want a little younger, a little less body. 449 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,800 Hey, a little less fat. 450 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,040 This 350 is killing me. 451 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,640 Man, you know, wind up at a like funeral home. 452 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,520 Like, oh, this body looks good. 453 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,760 Wake up in the middle of. 454 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,960 Knowing my luck, I'll come back to this body and then like all the ghosts that have been 455 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,560 around my house for so long. 456 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,120 They're like, oh, he's finally gone. 457 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:18,720 Let's get in there and then I won't have a body to go back to. 458 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,920 You all just have to deal with a different Josh. 459 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,560 Hopefully he's better than this one. 460 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:30,520 We need to set a code word now so we know if if you switch bodies like knock on the door 461 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,400 and you say beef stroganoff. 462 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,400 I know it's you. 463 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,880 Yeah, I'm all right with that. 464 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,120 I'm going to remember beef stroganoff. 465 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:38,640 He'll mess up and say banana. 466 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,800 I'm over here whispering in your ears. 467 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:52,040 The ghost is really gone left. 468 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:57,120 We've come to a pretty good conclusion on this. 469 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,720 Once again, ladies and gentlemen, these are just our thoughts. 470 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,720 Let us know what you think. 471 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:22,800 And that that was going to turn you into a nine volt laboratory.