Good evening everyone and welcome to the Paranormal Minds of JSC.
I'm your host Joshua and I'm here with my two co-hosts Shane and Tommy.
And tonight we will be discussing remote viewing.
Seeing remote or hidden objects clairvoyantly with the mind's eye or astral projection.
The studies of this really didn't start until the mid 19th century.
There were a few researchers, Michael Faraday, Alfred Wallace, Rufus Mason, William Crooks.
Their work was very focused, experimental on specific individuals.
They were just thought to be gifted.
There was nothing proven to be there, you know.
It was kind of dark until the 1930s, J.B. Reim kind of made it a more broad study.
And to more less focused groups I guess.
And was still like, I don't know if I should publicize this because he didn't want to be
criticized just like the last researchers didn't.
The 60s and the 1960s, it was more of a new age way of thinking.
Human potential movement peaked.
This interest in conscious studies was more prevalent and it tended to help fund more
research into concepts like remote viewing.
And the 1970s is really when it started up for the United States.
Soviet Union was believed to have been spending 60 million rupals a year in psychotronic research.
You know the United States is like, no that's not gonna work.
We need our own kind of thing.
We need a physicist from Stanford Research Institute, really what got it started.
It's Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff.
And the government's like, they spent 20 million dollars in the span of these, what, 20 years.
It's only active between the 70s and to the 90s, like mid 90s.
So they spent over 20 million dollars, I guess, in the first few years of this.
But it's pretty cool in the fact that they pulled in a guy supposedly off the streets.
I don't know how true that is.
He was a New York artist.
They had a destination and a sealed envelope where the researchers were like, all right,
we're gonna go to this place.
We need you to describe where we're at.
They went to Palo Alto City Hall is where they went in California.
The guy's name was Ingo Swan.
The way what he described was this, what he thought was a fountain, but there was no
sound of running water and that the sidewalks converged with circles around.
And there was a fountain in the middle of the courtyard and it was not turned on.
And the courtyard was paved in an X pattern, but in the center of the, where the crosswalks
would meet, it would be more of a roundabout instead of a, you know, four-way intersection.
So I thought that was kind of cool.
But says one of the biggest successes was a Soviet spy spy plane had gone down in Africa.
And there was one lady, Rosemary Smith that they used to kind of, to use the remote viewing
to find this plane because they had been surveying couldn't find it that flown over numerous
times.
Well, she gave them specific latitude and longitude coordinates and they found a plane.
It had switched a lot of hands by the nineties called all kinds of different things.
The problem with it was is like in the earlier stages of all this, there was the, the routines
or the guidelines set down were so kind of, they weren't really to the T.
They weren't studied close enough.
And there was just a lot of room for error.
So nobody ever believed that any of this was working.
So eventually in the bottom mid nineties there, they just canceled it.
And they, as soon as they canceled it, de-declassified all 70,000 documents that had been, you know,
shown up.
But it was just a crazy thing to me that, and it's talked about a lot more to that this
isn't just a clairvoyant thing, like any person's supposed to be able to do this.
And it's like, just takes practice and study.
But I, you know, there's books written on it.
I don't know, what do you guys think about it?
You think it's a possible thing for, you know, anybody to do it or would you need special
abilities?
And I think everybody has the potential for all sorts of psychic, you know, capabilities.
I'm sure you guys, have you ever seen those little intuition tests?
They were popular on the internet a few years ago.
I'm sure they're still floating around, but it's like, hey, guess what animal is in this
envelope?
And people would, you know, guess the animal and you read the comments back on whatever
whatever was posted on.
And I would attend to believe them that a lot of people got them right.
So I know that's not a wondrous ability, but that's the start of it.
Like you just said, Josh, you know, if you train it, practice it.
Yeah, I'm sure everybody could develop this lucid dreaming in a way.
Yeah.
There was a lot of talk of that, like an out of body experience experience.
And I know people have dabbled in that.
So I mean, I think it could be something, honestly.
Pretty cool thing to be able to do personally.
Like I've always wanted to be like, to be able to astral project and just kind of walk
around.
Yeah, that'd be pretty cool.
You know, kind of like what they say happens to people, like when they die and are able
to see like what the doctor is exactly doing to them.
And this, this was all part of a project Stargate, you said?
Yeah, they called, well, like I said, it had many names, but it was finally christened
Stargate project and then in like 1991, I think.
Okay.
I really liked that show Stargate.
You remember that?
That was a good show.
Stargate SG-1.
Yeah.
That was a good show.
It was.
I didn't like when they went to like Stargate, was that universe where they had like a college
on board or some crap?
It was weird.
Oh, yeah.
I don't think I made it that far.
They always tend to mess that kind of stuff up.
Isn't this also based off of like the men who stare at goats in a way?
Yeah.
I think there was movies written about it or a book in a movie, I think.
Early 2000.
Yeah.
After they declassified, they wrote the book Men Who Stare at Goats and then the movie
with a, wasn't it George Clooney?
Yeah.
That was actually a pretty funny movie.
I don't guess I've ever seen it.
I'm gonna have to watch it now.
Oh, right?
I think the guy that's titled was one of the psychic abilities they were trying to teach
was that these guys could stare at you and kill you with the psychic ability.
So they would practice on goats.
I'm not gonna lie.
After seeing that, I stare.
I'm not gonna say goats, but I stared at, you know, some squirrels in the yard to just
try.
But you're gonna die today.
What gets me is like, I know I got something pulled up.
Of course, you see things like pseudo science and stuff, but for different, I'm seeing like
UK studied it, Soviet Union and like all these.
So my personal opinion is there has to be something of some type of merit behind it.
Right?
Yeah, you would think.
You know, especially going back, what'd you say, like the 30s?
Well, it went all the way back to the mid 19th century.
It's documented as far as I know, I mean, even further than that, because it's always
been you hear stories of people back in the day of psychic abilities being able to see
in the future.
And that's that.
The other what's to say.
It's not the same thing.
Right?
Yeah, I feel it would be.
I mean, you like you said, you had these stories of people that able to see into the
future and I there's so much that we can do with our minds that scientists just don't
even understand, you know.
So I mean, I'm in conjugal.
There could be something behind it, maybe not killing goats by staring at them.
But I mean, why not?
I'm also saying that couldn't happen.
Are you guys down to try a little little experiment with us?
I found a little guide on just simple remote viewing or clairvoyance.
Yeah.
All right.
So I have a dry raceboard in front of me.
I'm going to draw.
Let's keep it simple.
Let me just do a sheet.
Are you drawing a circle?
That's all that they haven't talked you through it yet.
And I'm going to like develop your your remote viewing abilities.
All right.
So first release, release your fears.
Like I don't know how you do that, but like get rid of it.
Maybe like chanting.
I'm willing to release all of my fear of something.
So just kind of recite that in your head.
Shane, we're millennials.
We're terrified of everything.
That's going to be a difficult task.
All right.
We'll start chanting.
All right.
Increase your visual.
Step two is increase your visual imagination.
So just kind of start imagining yourself holding seven balloons.
Each balloon should be a different color.
Let go of the balloons one by one and watch each one float away.
Step three, form a specific question.
Like ask yourself, will I enjoy my work tomorrow?
Okay.
So have just that specific question in your head.
Open your third eye.
Okay.
I don't know how to explain how to do that.
All right.
But those are the simple steps.
So I can get how you can develop that.
So you work on doing those more and more.
You increase your imagination.
You're being able to focus on specific questions and then really your third eye, you're just
opening yourself up for the experience.
Right?
What shape did I draw?
Like you just let it come to you.
Don't think about it.
Just first thing that comes in your head.
What shape did I draw?
Trapezoid.
Square.
It is a square.
Is it a square?
It is.
Oh, so it's simple.
See, I'm over here thinking all kinds of shit.
Oh, right.
I'm like this full because he's over here with us.
I know that's what he's doing.
No, I legit drew a square.
I'll take a picture and text it to you.
So right there, I mean, 50% success rate.
I mean, that's pretty good.
Yeah, but I did what essentially basic.
You're either going to draw a square or a circle because that's a basic easy shape to
draw real quick.
And I already said circle.
So I went with the 50% chance of.
It could have been a triangle for all on you, honestly.
Yeah, I should have been like Josh to trap.
I don't even know what a trapezoid is.
Yeah, I don't know.
It runs around in underwear.
It's all you need to know.
Freak is always.
But the 50% thing like their standards were, in my opinion, really low.
Like you needed 65% accuracy rate.
Yeah, and I'm like, dude, you know how vague you can really be.
And that's what the biggest problem was, is they were so vague with the descriptions.
Yeah, so kind of like John, no, it wasn't John.
I can't think of his name.
You know, the guy who did like the, he had like the talk show where he talked to dead
people.
Tell us of the crypt.
No, it was dead talk.
Wouldn't it?
No, that's not what it's called.
But yeah, like he would be vague.
John Edward, I know what he did was like, I don't want to say like a mentalist thing,
but like he was vague.
So like he would go in and be like, somebody's trying to talk to me their, their name has
a J, a J until someone raises their hand like, oh, you know, oh, yeah, that guy.
Yeah, I'm not saying like it was, what you're saying, like the how vague it was.
Yeah, not being that vague.
It probably was to be honest with you, but it was a cool concept to me.
And there's, there's different, I mean, I could, somebody could hand you something
and be like, okay, there is a replica of this somewhere else in the world.
Tell me where it's at the ability to be able to see that because, you know, there are people
that can, you can handle them stuff and they can feel the energies from it and, and the
history of that item and tell you something about it that they don't know anything about
now.
And I feel like that's kind of more of what this is.
I, like I said, I know there's so much like our minds are capable of, like, because for
the longest time, you know, hypnosis was thought to be a type of pseudo science in a way, right?
But you know, they found that it actually in some cases works on like certain things
like stopping people from quit smoking or, you know, to even help with PTSD suffers.
I'm not talking about like turning somebody into a chicken type deal, but they've used
it for people who experience like a traumatic event and blocked it out, you know, like certain
parts they've used that for that.
So I mean, I'm not saying that it's not impossible at all.
I just, that made me, I wasn't going to say it.
I didn't want to sound like a nerd, but it's kind of like what Professor Xavier would do
to Jean Grey to lock away the Phoenix from coming out.
Yeah.
That's where my mind went.
I was like, I'll just be quiet.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
So what else was notable from this project Stargate?
I love the fact that I'm sorry.
Well, one reading on it, like one of their methodologies was they would use tarot cards
according to Joseph Monagle.
The army never had a truly open aptitude towards physical psychic functioning.
Hence the use of the term giggle factor.
I just love that.
And they didn't care for it, but they funded it for a while, which I don't understand
why I guess because they wanted to be like, oh, we can make super soldiers.
That's probably what it was turning into.
I'm assuming that's going to be the basis of that movie too.
Every country say what they want.
They all try to develop super soldiers, right?
Russia at one point was trying to was it Russian where they were trying to use apes and DNA
to create like Planet of the Apes beans.
So apparently in goes one and Pat Price.
They were involved in Scientology.
Yeah.
Pat Price was killed.
It was uninvited.
They found him in a hotel room and they did not investigate it whatsoever.
And he was one of the more.
He was ESP.
He was trying to draw his viewings and he was more precise than most people were.
That's why they believe he got killed.
But what I don't understand is why they didn't investigate it.
It's like, oh, he died.
It's not a big deal.
The CIA killed him.
Right.
Because from what I'm really like, he was working with maps and photographs provided
to him by the CIA, which you information from facilities behind Soviet line.
Actually, you know what?
You think about it if they develop these skills and could use it against other countries,
other governments, our government would realize pretty quickly that they were a liability
or they were a threat against their selves.
Like oh man, this person can see beyond walls what's stopping them from looking beyond our
walls.
Right.
Yeah.
That could be, you know, hey, why it was shut down.
And then you said Pat Price ended up dead, did any of the other ones, are they still
alive or Russell Targ is still alive.
He was a researcher, though he wasn't one of the, I think, I think Ingo, I think he
lived.
I just like the fact that he that may work as the principal investigator judge and the
star gatekeeper.
I want to be a part of this project.
I want to be able to put star gatekeeper on the resume.
Be nice.
I wonder if it was ever actually shut down or if they were just like, look, let's take
this out of the public's eye, claim to be shut down.
They shut this part down because this one is like, we're going to shut this down and
release it.
And people don't think this is so wild and crazy, but keep the other part that actually
works going.
And maybe people make fun of this, but we transcended this.
Now we can kill people from, you know, like remote viewing.
I shouldn't say that.
I could kill them.
It could even be.
I know you said, you know, they kept other parts of it going.
Maybe all of it was successful, except for the few people they brought to light.
You know, this is right at the age of technology, right?
He said the men 90s is when it shut down.
So that's a good time to up security, move them places, you know, because before then
everything, there was record everything now since technology.
No one's, no one's going to know how to Google where this new base is, right?
But before that rumors would have been around and everybody knew of it.
Yeah.
Oh, they just threw a couple of these people out there.
So Pat Price did something to end up dead.
I see that they stopped using Swan because he informed somebody in the CIA about the
remote viewing and aliens.
These guys were some somehow connected with aliens.
I know our government these days has released that knowledge to all of us, but back back
then that was a big no no.
Yeah, definitely.
Do you think they've released anything to like sidetrack us because of what's going
on with like COVID and stuff like that?
It was oddly it was oddly timed.
I'm just saying for years it's been not to get off topic, but like it's just been like,
you know, hey, no, they don't exist.
No, we can't say anything.
Nobody will tell me anything.
And then all of a sudden it's like, oh yeah, they exist.
Or at least we have evidence of UFOs.
Did they actually release documents that you can see?
Like they were they were just like, hey, yeah, we know about this.
I know they released video evidence with like statements saying, yeah, we have no idea what
this is.
I think that's the furthest it went.
And just one CGI got really good.
I mean, I when it comes to stuff like back to this, like dealing with the mind and all
that, I just don't, you know, there's so much we don't know about our mom.
Like I know there are people that say we have an ability through meditation and stuff like
Buddhist monks and stuff like that, right?
Like able to heal ourselves faster, maybe not like, you know, you break your leg and
you just go, you know, my leg and it's back to normal.
But like a faster healing process, you know, if you get an infection or the flu or something,
you're able to heal faster by just like meditating or something like that.
You get what I'm saying.
Yeah.
I used to be a huge believer in all honesty that when, especially when I was in high school,
that I wanted to be able to like control every little aspect of what my body did.
And it's like the pain, my pain index, that's why it was so high when I was younger because
I taught myself that it's only temporary.
Let it go and it stops and it does.
Now I don't know about losing a leg and it would definitely somebody run up and, you
know, smack me in the chest with a skateboard was nothing.
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Like like training, essentially like training your pain receptors to be like, no, this isn't
that bad.
Right.
And I believe that you could tell, like you said, tell your body to heal yourself.
But I mean, it wouldn't be instant.
It would be maybe faster than it would a normal person.
You know, it's like, I was like, you couldn't tell it's like, heal your broken leg and just
snap back in place.
But like, instead of like six weeks, maybe four weeks or five weeks, you know, but I
know, I know, I know that's the thing.
Like at least that healing process.
So I mean, I think it could be possible to train the mind to go beyond what we believe
it's capable.
Oh yeah.
That's why you think it.
I guess, I guess we're kind of all on the same page.
We know.
Yeah, I think too.
It's easy.
Yeah.
Since we're all believers in the paranormal, you know, let's just take ghosts, for instance.
You know, there's a reason why people don't see ghosts and some people do.
It's that elevated perception.
It's that different ability of their individual minds.
So that's what I think, you know, you're more open for it.
There's there's something there that allows us to.
So we know all three of us are.
So yeah, this is this is one of those things we'll definitely agree on.
Yeah.
All right.
I feel like there's probably not going to be a whole lot that we don't agree on.
Tommy, you got to find some way to blame this on aliens like the aliens came and created
this whole project and gave us remote viewing powers and then took them away.
You know, you don't want to go with that theory.
Mermaid aliens, mermaid aliens.
I'm trying to figure out a way to bring aliens somehow.
Maybe they started the project when they crashed or no, the lights we were talking about in
the last episode.
I don't know.
My mouth.
They're actually projecting lights out into the field.
Yeah.
Those are actually aliens from other planets.
Now, see, this brings a whole new light into that concept because now they're just astro
projecting themselves for some reason, just in that really one spot for a good long time.
You got to get good.
You can't.
You can't run before you walk, man.
You got to stand in one place and astro project your soul right there.
Don't move.
That's a scary place.
I don't know.
I just thought it was kind of a cool thing that people could actually see.
Then it was working.
Then they could see these to an extent, I suppose.
I mean, like I said, when it comes to things like that, I believe the mind is more powerful.
I just believe like what we can comprehend about this world or this universe is so insignificant
to the actual picture of the universe.
You know, like, you know, everybody, we all want to feel like we got it figured out and
we have no idea in all honesty how it really works.
That's where I'm at on it.
Well, any any closing statements?
I think we should buy a couple of these books and practice it and be a fun thing to just
just try out.
Josh, you said you wanted to learn astral projection, then you could pop over have a
beer with me or something.
Yeah, that sounds like an awesome idea.
As a matter of fact, I love it.
What do you do when your soul gets drunk?
The look ain't no cars being driven.
This is true.
I may not make it back to this body, but we're going somewhere.
You start the zombie populace.
Oh, you might might land and want a little younger, a little less body.
Hey, a little less fat.
This 350 is killing me.
Man, you know, wind up at a like funeral home.
Like, oh, this body looks good.
Wake up in the middle of.
Knowing my luck, I'll come back to this body and then like all the ghosts that have been
around my house for so long.
They're like, oh, he's finally gone.
Let's get in there and then I won't have a body to go back to.
You all just have to deal with a different Josh.
Hopefully he's better than this one.
We need to set a code word now so we know if if you switch bodies like knock on the door
and you say beef stroganoff.
I know it's you.
Yeah, I'm all right with that.
I'm going to remember beef stroganoff.
He'll mess up and say banana.
I'm over here whispering in your ears.
The ghost is really gone left.
We've come to a pretty good conclusion on this.
Once again, ladies and gentlemen, these are just our thoughts.
Let us know what you think.
And that that was going to turn you into a nine volt laboratory.