Hey guys, thanks for joining us tonight on the Paranormal Minds of JST.
Tonight I'll be your host, Shane, and I'm joined as always by Joshua and Thomas.
Tonight we are going to talk about the Marfa Ghostlights.
These are the most popular Ghostlight sightings, currently recorded in Marfa, Texas.
First time these were viewed was by a dude named Ellison back in 1883.
He was a farmhand, I believe.
They're near Highway 67 and have been seen since then.
You can still see them to this day.
Now Ghostlights are seen around the world.
Just to reference a few famous spots here in America.
Some in Brown Mountain, South Carolina.
You got some in Joplin and St. Louis, Missouri.
There's some in Virginia.
They all kind of look the same all over the world.
The reason Marfa, Texas is a little more famous than the others is because of the media coverage.
Not too long ago, I'd say, not long ago.
25 years ago, Unsolved Mysteries covered them.
They were actually even in an episode of King of the Hill.
I do want to look that up.
I'm curious how they roll that into there.
That'd be interesting.
I would say that.
So yeah, they got a lot of attention.
It really started to get really big after these Ghost Hunter shows started getting big in the
early 2000s.
I think it's just because it was a guaranteed sighting.
It's not speculation if you're going to see these lights or not.
You roll up.
You pretty much know you're going to see them.
So drew people from all over the place.
There's been a lot of big, big studies on it.
And yeah, so here, here we are.
No one has a 100% definite answer on what causes these guys.
So what do you all think?
What do you think could be causing these?
Aliens.
Always.
I'm not saying it's aliens.
But it's aliens.
I mean, you just said it was aliens.
I don't know.
I mean, I've heard.
I don't know if there's any swamps by there, but like swamp lights.
Like, have you all heard about like methane being trapped like in the mud of swamp, like
under the water?
And as they just come up, bubble up, sometimes they'll come up with so much force that they'll
kind of like light up.
So I know that there's a theory about that.
I don't know if there's like swamps by there or not.
Yeah.
It's kind of a for the Marfa.
It's kind of a desert area, but you can still have your methane.
I know exactly what you're talking about because they've actually replicated in labs that spontaneous
combust and comes up.
So yeah, that's a very popular theory on it.
That is the only thing though.
Being a desert is really the opposite of a swamp, right?
Yeah.
I mean, I don't see where methane could be.
I mean, maybe, you know how like in mines, when they would dig, they had to look out
for methane, maybe it's seeping through the earth.
Yeah.
Other than that, mermaids.
It's one of those things like the gas thing sounds like it could be a legit thing.
I know for a fact that acetylene is very violent.
If it think it's anything over like 15 PSI, don't quote me.
I don't know if that's true.
It like night itself just out of nowhere.
Maybe the same thing.
This methane, maybe it's just something that's leaking bodies.
Such force, but to be contained and to be like a constant thing, like not to just ignite
and go out, you know what I mean?
It actually kind of hangs out for a minute.
Yeah, they like dancing all that stuff too.
Yeah.
I'm going to go with elaborate hoax on this one.
There is another theory that's probably one of the most popular on is atmospheric reflection.
So this could be caused by reflection of car lights or like car headlights or campfires
back in the day that get get up to the atmosphere and do their thing kind of related to what
are those lights called northern lights?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I know all the science behind it, but I know something about the electrons or the reflections
or something gets up to the atmosphere and hits other sorts of molecules, which causes
the dancing and the light effect.
So maybe it's just as simple as that.
There's a spot in the atmosphere there that is thinner, which that can also be caused
by methane, right?
Isn't that the problem with cows?
Yeah, they fart too much.
Yeah.
Because I know Native Americans have kind of talked about it and stuff.
I know some believe like it's souls kind of like making their way to and from the afterlife.
And to say like to not look at ghosts in a way of scientific explanation, I think is
I don't know how to put it.
Borderline irresponsible.
Exactly.
You know, how else do we know that salt kills them?
I mean, I looked up to see what some of their legends were.
And so far, all I'm getting is like people claim to see ghosts of Native Americans dancing
in lines.
I don't know what that is somewhere in Michigan.
But I mean, if theoretically a ghost or spirit is balls of like, it's energy, right?
Who's to say like the magnetic pool in that place isn't just strong enough to pull the
energy there?
If that makes sense.
Yeah.
You know, I'm just like a like a strong gravitational point just right there where they're at.
Yeah, something like that, you know, like maybe a heavy metal under the ground or something.
Yeah.
Makes it kind of.
Yeah, something like that.
That could cause that, you know, and it's just able to, you know, form the energy, you
know, so it could be ghosts or it could be just, you know, a way of energy just forming
itself, you know, I think man, your theory there is closely related to another one I
read about about the Tetonic plates underground.
They that at that area, they shift against each other causing sort of static electricity
that rises up out of the ground.
So that there's your scientific explanation, but you know, you don't see static electricity.
So maybe that's what it is.
It's giving these spirits something to feed on to where they can manifest just a little
bit.
Maybe.
I mean, if you look at it according to how, you know, because they are energy, that's how
come batteries drain and cell phones and electronic devices can go haywire flickering of lights
and stuff like that.
So it could be possible.
I mean, if they're shifting and it's causing this huge static surge in a way, you know,
maybe they're going there and they're feeding off of it.
But I mean, and I know there's been some speculations that they're angels or like demons.
I don't know too much about the demon aspect because they don't seem to be malicious in
nature, you know, maybe angel aspect or even aliens.
Like I said, you know, beginning aliens, some people believe that it's just crafts that
are kind of like hovering, you know, just kind of like watching that area for some reason.
It's very interesting.
So, you know, I mentioned earlier that these are seen all over the world, but for Marfa,
Texas to specifically have all these different theories, all these different studies, because
that's the only one I saw any UFO or alien explanations.
You know, they this community has ignored all the other lights.
So why what what makes Marfa different?
Roswell.
Is it close?
I mean, Roswell, New Mexico, I don't know how far away Marfa is to Roswell.
I guess being close to New Mexico.
Yeah, just pull up to Marfa, it's four hours away and actually it's, oh, it's interesting.
If you pull up a map, they're almost in a straight line.
Like you you head straight north from Marfa and you're going to hit Roswell in four hours.
And you think so, you know, Roswell is renowned as what the crash site or the UFO back in
the day.
Yeah.
You know how we're more we're smaller minded humans with a lot less technology than that,
right?
Yeah.
But we still have straight runways to land our planes with lights so the pilots can find
it.
Maybe that's all this is is a big runway.
And Marfa is the start of it to where they were supposed to land in Roswell and something
went wrong.
Maybe.
Because if you have a spacecraft capable of intergalactic travel, I could imagine it
would take you a minute to slow down when you come to land, right?
I mean, yeah, the Eric, as far as our tiny brains can determine.
They got like super breaks.
They just stopped.
I don't know.
I mean, I feel like maybe the whole alien things could be reminiscent.
I mean, with it being that close to Roswell, but I don't think there's like a military
base or anything there or was when the crash happened.
You know what I mean?
Right.
It was it was all desert.
So it would make sense.
You know, if you were coming to visit another planet, because Marfa is also desert.
So they're thinking we're going to go out here.
We're going to be left alone, but something went wrong.
Dude crashed and you know, the rest is history.
Yeah.
I kind of just like land there where nobody's going to be there to see.
Right.
Yeah.
Because rights Mac Dev, if you look at a geographical map, I mean, it's the
dead in the center of just the desert over there.
Really good spot to land down and yeah, it makes makes sense.
I mean, and in 1947, when the alien craft crashed, I mean, you can only imagine just
how unpopulated that area would have been.
And who knows how long they've been visiting.
So we only know the one that crashed in Roswell.
This could have been their their landing strip for hundreds of years.
You know, they were first documented in what 1883.
They could have been just pulling up and parking there for a while.
Apparently in Texas, as I'll bring up in Texas in the 1800s, some guy saw a flying
object like a ship.
It was in Kansas City, hundreds of residents of Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Missouri, California
and Arizona have reported similar apparitions.
Texas said the huge machine hovered over farms, ranches and small towns, often sweeping
a brilliant spotlight along the ground as it traveled.
It was the height of the great American airship scare, which actually began in California
some 20 years before in the fall of 1876, according to modern day writer Jerome Clark.
I mean, that's that's crazy because you would think this is on April Fool's Day, as many
as 10,000 people.
So was this an April Fool's joke or it's awfully suspicious to be on that day and it
might be one.
Oh, it was a hoax.
Well, probably that later on it's like the 1976 sightings resulted in numerous excitement
and speculation.
Some theorists claim that an airship had been secretly developed in nearby Oak Park or flown
in from the East Coast, the San Francisco Chronicle called the airship probably one
of the greatest hoax ever sprung on any community, but noted it is hard to account for the evidence
sincere sincerity of those who claim they saw the machine and heard the voices.
Of course, a lot of people said, you know, it's pure fake.
This one the following day the Chronicle quoted Professor George Davidson, who believed the
incident was the outcome of a sort of free masonry of liars.
He added half a dozen fellows have gotten together, set up a balloon with some sort
of electric light attachment and imagination had done the rest is pure fake.
So maybe it's not a hoax.
But I mean, if if if let's say it's not, I mean, it could go back to maybe you're right,
maybe the lights are signals.
All right.
Yeah.
I like I like maps, so I'm looking at a map again.
I don't I don't know why.
But do do we think that there was any sort of association with aliens and the Mayans?
Some people believe there is an Aztec or Mayan.
I think it's the Mayans.
But they they were talking about how straight cut a lot of the Mayans things like it was
too perfect for a human to have done anything.
I know there is a.
A place where there's this huge like a thing of like little like a huge Mayan pyramid and
a little Mayan like smaller ones.
I don't think you can go in and but you can go on top of them and they're pretty flat,
like four or five of them in a row on either side left and right.
And then there's this huge pyramid.
And I cannot remember the name of that place.
But some people believe that that was a type of like airport for aliens.
Oh, yeah, I've heard that before.
That's what I was talking about.
They're like their cuts were so perfect on their bricks that they're like it was impossible
for any average human to get it as perfectly straight as it is.
All right.
Well, there there could be.
So I know, too, they had that advanced calendar.
We all felt the world was going to end, you know, 10 years ago or whenever it was.
But so again, looking at this map, the desert area where the vegetation is thinner pretty
much starts right at the top of where the Mayan civilization would have lived.
Also in a straight line with this Marfa and Roswell could could be a connection.
You know, because yeah, right after you exit where the Mayans were, that's when the desert
starts and yeah, straight line up through could be just kind of like their flight path.
Maybe they were supposed to come in from the Roswell to Mexico.
Oh, and that's why I crashed because coordinates were wrong.
Yeah, that would make sense.
Instead of Roswell being where they land, it was actually like somewhere in Mexico.
Maybe they were coming back to visit in 47.
Yeah.
And they're like, oh, we haven't been there in like several thousand years, you know,
see how they're doing.
They must be prospering with us that cut all those stones for.
Yeah.
We gave them a nice calendar, you know.
Yeah.
And they don't come past this day.
Well, see, I think that was probably when they were going to come back and be like, oh,
we're going to take y'all all to other parts of the universe and it's going to be magical.
Y'all are.
It's going to we're giving y'all time to grow and learn and all that advance.
It's going to be awesome.
And then they were going to come back and then they crashed in 47.
And all that we just blew up a bunch of stuff with nuclear bombs and all that.
And they're like, you know what?
No, no, we're not taking these guys out into space.
They're going to kill everything.
Right.
And just destroy themselves and everything else around them.
What does this button do?
So, you know, fun.
So back to like earthly explanations.
You know, we're talking about these lights that maybe they were guiding aliens to land.
Right.
And one of one of the ancient explanations for ghost lights were, you know, almost like
tortured spirits that wanted to lead people astray.
So you've heard of like Willow the Wisp.
Yeah, I got it pulled up right here, actually.
So they would, you know, be seen in these swamps and bugs and people would try to get
to them and of course never could and they end up lost in these swamps and stuff.
So I've seen Willow the Wisp, you know, in certain aspects of mythology and stories before
it.
I've never actually looked into it.
It's pretty crazy.
Like Willow the Wisp and Jack-o-lantern both came from the same stories.
Yeah.
And both were like a dude who did bad deeds.
So it was cursed to walk the earth with, you know, a light.
And that's why the like the English called him, you know, Jack Jack-o-lantern, you know,
his name was Jack and he carried a lantern.
And like the Scottish would call it, call him Willow the Wisp.
So his name was Will and of the Wisp just meant like he was a shadowy, smoky figure.
So pretty interesting that both of them are like, no, this is the same guy.
So that might even be based on something and seen in numerous places all over, you know,
maybe it's something like that.
But he did some sort of weird bad deed and they were forced to sit out there in the desert.
Because same thing, maybe that's all it is.
It's a place you don't want to be.
I don't want to spend my time in a swamp or a desert.
Maybe that's these dudes over in Marfa.
I mean, I know the Irish legend of like Jack-o-lantern, Stringy Jack.
Bargain was Satan and cheated him.
And that's why he has to walk around with a lantern.
I don't know about like, because there's a lot of them in here from what I'm looking
at like so many Niagara, Naga, Naga.
Almost like MAGA, but Naga with the fireballs on the, I don't know, in Thailand.
The spook light of Southwestern, Missouri.
Like, yeah, there's a lot of them.
Oh my God.
There's a lot in America.
What do we do?
We just have, you know, destroy a bunch of indigenous people.
Say, have you, have you met any other Americans, man?
Hi.
What are you talking about?
We are the kindest, we are the kindest people on earth.
Okay.
I mean, we're so kind.
We, you know, totally unrelated.
You talk about friendly Americans.
Just some information I just gained yesterday that there was some clause back with the Native
Americans that if there was some abandoned government land that they could take it over,
right?
I never knew that they had taken over Alcatraz after it closed down.
And a group of Native Americans, like 500 of them took over Alcatraz until President
Nixon, they'd lived there for years, like four or five years.
And Nixon was like, nah, I don't like this and kicked them off the island just for it
to stay abandoned.
Oh my God.
He's one of these ghost lights.
He's doomed to just float around.
Maybe the Native Americans are why they're there.
It's going to be most of our presidents are going to be these ghost lights.
Let's just be honest about that, shall we?
What about, was there any major wars that happened around?
Marfa?
Maybe Native American style war.
I pulled up history of Marfa, Texas.
Pretty Marfa lights is at their top.
So that's what they're known for, for sure.
Filming of the movie giant and the minimalistic art installations of Donald Judd.
Who is Donald Judd?
No idea.
But it was established in 1883 as a water stop and freight headquarters.
Oh, 1883.
That's when Ellison first documented the lights.
So that's as much as their website.
Now this is the actual Marfa city website.
So I don't guess they would outline any kind of deadly history.
Probably not.
You might have to go to, I don't know if they are like history.
You know how some towns have like that museum or whatever of their town.
I didn't know DeSoto County had a museum, but we do.
This might be promising.
A battle for the soul of Marfa found an article.
I was looking at the title, but I was trying to figure out if that was a news article or
not.
Oh, it is.
They're being dramatic.
I had to tell them out, rich people moving there and they don't want them.
Well, that's dumb.
It really is kind of dumb.
We don't want your money.
I'm inclined to say it's either spirits, like with the energy and, you know, static
form or a runway for aliens.
There was a Ford DA Russell.
It's a military installation near Marfa, Texas from 1911 to 1946.
The Civil War general was and was killed September 19th, 1864.
I don't know.
Maybe there was a, yeah, it's kind of close according to this little map.
Maybe that's just, maybe it was built later on.
I'm assuming that's what that was.
I thought it was just active from those times.
I don't know.
I think it's, it is just kind of funny how close Marfa is to Roswell.
Now that we actually looked it up because I was thinking like just because it was close
to New Mexico.
I didn't realize it was that close four hours from Roswell.
For sure.
Maybe it's a combination of both of these theories.
Like if you are an evil person on earth, you're down to be a light beacon to help aliens
base craft land.
See, that's better.
I was going to go with their just data aliens.
Oh, well, maybe the aliens made us right.
So if we mess up here, then I mean they own our soul and damn us to stay here.
But if, yeah, I don't know, this is going to go to a whole other subject.
So I'm going to stop there.
I don't know.
I think a little bit of rambling is okay.
I mean, another mystery solved.
Ghost alien light things.
How much would that suck?
You die.
And then like you greeted by some like aliens like, Hey, you're stuck as a spirit to help
our space crafts land for eternity because you sucked.
So like not only you're dead, I guess that's better than than the, you know, the standard
eternity of torture and fire or whatever that whole story is.
Right.
I have to say so.
A lot more boring.
Right.
But now I'm saying, you know, we could talk about like a cryptid.
Who now?
A cryptid?
Yeah.
What are you talking about?
I don't know.
Oh, I think how long were you off Tommy?
I have no idea.
I decided to come back and just see where we were.
Right.
What were y'all talking about?
Last thing I think is how funny Mexico was, but I don't know.
It's one of those things if it's a constant, if it's constantly can be seen.
I mean, I don't know.
I know that one of the things is people try to go to him, you know, and I know ball lightning
is a thing.
Yeah.
Like, was that same almost fire is one thing?
I don't think it's ball lightning, but it's a it's a weather phenomenon in which luminous
plasma is created by a corona discharge from a rod like object such as a mast, spire, chimney,
or animal horn.
Are there pictures of San Amos fire?
Well, you talk about studies to I know there were two huge studies of the Marfa lights
04 and 08, I believe.
And both of them came to the same conclusion that they were headlights from Highway 67.
One of the groups stayed out there for 20 days straight and used all these different
methods and they're like, no, it's high.
It's headlights from Highway 67, but there weren't headlights and there was not a Highway
67 in 1883.
So that doesn't make much sense.
Sometimes I feel like some people and this is my personal opinion.
I feel like people take something like a phenomenon that we can't really grasp the concept of.
They're like, oh, no, it's this.
This is what it is.
You know what I mean?
You know, like they have to say it's it can't be something paranormal because paranormal
does not exist.
And I feel like there are some people, you know, like they go to these like ghost lights,
which could be a non paranormal thing.
I'm not saying it's strictly paranormal.
What I'm saying is like we can't really study it or whatever.
And maybe they go there and spend the 20 days, they they do their thing, but then they just
automatically chalk it up without looking to the history into it.
You know what I mean?
They go out there with the intentions of being like, we're not going to find we're going
to specifically not find anything.
We're going to prove that it's these headlights.
Yeah.
And of course, I'm not saying that they didn't go out there with equipment either and be
like, oh, we took, you know, EF readings and FLIR readings and stuff like that.
And you said when was it like 2008?
Yeah.
Well, the two big ones.
Yeah, 04 and again, in a way.
Yeah.
I wonder how they studied them.
That's my question.
Because from my understanding, like you can't get close to them to get like an EMF reading
or anything like that.
Because as you get close to them and that's in every ghost light around the world, as
you get close to them, they just keep moving further away, you know, until they just disappear.
Maybe they're hallucinations.
Maybe it's just a moisture reflection.
You know, if you've ever noticed that water at a specific angle will reflect whatever's
around it.
Yeah, like a mirage.
Yeah.
And it being you're going to see them at night, it gets as cold as it does in the desert.
If there's anything around it, you know, at a certain point, the humidity would be high
enough.
I think it would be able to cause those reflections.
And if there is car lights anywhere within, you know, because just because we can't see
it doesn't mean that it's not still traveling.
You know what I mean?
Of course, it loses its heat.
But I'm just looking at this little this one little small map that's actually on the Wikipedia.
It's like, I'm assuming this darker circle is where the lights are being seen.
And it's brown.
It is around Highway 67.
But I mean, what are the chances?
And this is me.
Of we they built Highway 67 right where the ghost lights are.
So now it's an easy way of saying like, no, they're headlights.
And you know, I'm not saying it's a government conspiracy, but it's a government conspiracy.
Yeah, that is a government kind of thing to do.
There's a lot of these lights that I don't know.
They're just like mysterious.
Like I would love for us to take a road trip and kind of go see them.
I think that'd be fun.
See other side of Texas.
I mean, how far is that from here?
You know, this is 13 hours from here.
Yeah, right at 14 hours.
A 14 hour drive.
We could camp and stuff along the way.
Pass right through Dallas.
I don't know if there's anything in Dallas for us, but I've been to Dallas before to
take my ABO class.
We could just fly straight into Marfa.
Do they have an airport?
$183.
Wow.
That's that's pretty cheap.
We need a rental car, though, wouldn't we?
Yeah, we would.
Is that $183 per person?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Round trip, though.
Yeah.
Oh, that's a round trip, too.
That's pretty good.
I mean, it's still an expensive trip to just see some headlights.
It would be cheaper to drive.
Yeah.
Definitely be cheaper to drive, especially if we were going in like something that was
actually fuel efficient.
All right.
Not my truck.
Definitely not my truck.
I get nine miles to the gallon and it doesn't leave the driveway.
Yeah.
If we drove to, we could do like a whole multiple destination thing, you know, like, hey, let's
go ahead and hit a lot of these weird haunted or paranormal spots.
Right.
Now down right above Shreveport.
Oh, what's the name of that muddy bog beast or something like that?
I sent you essentially like a Sasquatch type deal.
And apparently like they made a movie about it in the 70s.
I can't remember what it's what it's called.
It was like muddy bog beast or something like that.
We could like check that out.
Texarkana, they have where a serial killer once stopped the area.
That sounds like a fun thing to do.
Let's get these conclusions in.
So what's our conclusions?
What have we figured out here?
It's a possibility that it could be energy connected to static charge from the tectonic
plates underneath it.
So I'm going to stick with the alien landing runway that is manned by damn spirit.
Like it.
I like it.
I like the light reflection idea, the moisture reflection.
I can see that.
Not necessarily has to be car lights.
It could be any kind of lights, but you know, all right, great.
Well, thank you all for joining us tonight.
These are just our thoughts.
And we hope you join us next time.