1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 All thanks to that wacky ass storm we had in the middle of the night. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Oh, it stormed up there? 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Yeah, for like what? 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,000 An hour maybe at most? 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,000 Yeah, right around 3 or 4 am. 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Man, it was like loud. 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,000 Lightning like every five seconds. 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Like, Jesus. 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Yeah, it was crazy. 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,000 We have not seen rain in like two weeks. 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,000 There's a burn band down here. 12 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,000 My grass is dead in my front yard. 13 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Everybody else is like watering their grass. 14 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,000 I'm like, uh-uh. 15 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,000 That shit could be dead. 16 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,000 I don't care. 17 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,000 Right, right. 18 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,000 You act like I have money for that water bill. 19 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Exactly. 20 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 My fucking water bill is already $160 a fucking month. 21 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Time to cut back those showers for the kids. 22 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Man, fuck them. 23 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Right? 24 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,000 Yeah. 25 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Go down. 26 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Share bath water or something. 27 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Yeah. 28 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Go down. 29 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Hey, all you beautiful bitches and snitches. 30 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,000 This is Josh with Paranormal Minds. 31 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,000 No, I'm just kidding. 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 I'm not going to start it like that. 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,000 I mean, that was pretty good. 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,000 I wish you would. 35 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Let's do it. 36 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Well, I can leave it in there. 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Let's do it. 38 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Let's do it. 39 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,000 Let's do it. 40 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Anyways, I'm Josh. 41 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,000 I'm your host for this evening. 42 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,000 This is Paranormal Minds. 43 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,000 I think, are we going to decide to change the name, Shane, 44 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,000 is the way to say it, what we're going to do? 45 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,000 Change it to Paranormal. 46 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,000 Map, map, map, map. 47 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,000 You know? 48 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Oh, yeah. 49 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,000 We had that list to talk through, and we didn't talk through it, 50 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,000 did we? 51 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,000 We did. 52 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,000 All right. 53 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Well, that's enough of the boring stuff. 54 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,000 There's more. 55 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,000 We can talk about it another time, though. 56 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,000 10-4. 57 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Sorry. 58 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,000 Sorry, I'm Businessman Shane all the time. 59 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Businessman Shane. 60 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Sorry. 61 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 And you call us old. 62 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,000 We'll get you a shirt. 63 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,000 At least I don't talk about grass and Viagra. 64 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,000 It's just, you know, business planning. 65 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,000 And Viagra. 66 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:55,000 I have allergic reaction to grass, just so y'all know. 67 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,000 And Viagra. 68 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,000 And Viagra. 69 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Oh, man. 70 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Anyways, with all that boring talk out of the way, 71 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 I'm going to keep that other intro, 72 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:11,000 and we're going to talk about tonight's topic. 73 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Let me clear my throat, because I've been sick for what seems like 10 years now. 74 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,000 It's been two days. 75 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Anyways, you guys know that I really, 76 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:30,000 like, I have a fascination with Japanese culture as far as ghosts go, 77 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:38,000 because it's so weird to me that running and cussing out the ghosts is the way to go versus what we do, 78 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,000 and we're just like, hey, come here. 79 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,000 Where are you going? 80 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Like, you know, we chase them down. 81 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:49,000 And like, any video you ever see of anything coming out of Japan, 82 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:56,000 it's like way more of like full-body apparitions and everything, you know, showing up. 83 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 I've always been fascinated with it. 84 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:05,000 And this discussion isn't about a ghost, per se, I guess you could say. 85 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,000 But I want to talk about the Okiku doll. 86 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,000 And I don't know if you guys ever heard of this doll before. 87 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,000 Sounds familiar. 88 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,000 Okay. 89 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:26,000 So in 1918 in Hokkaido, Japan, this young boy is, this teenage boy is, 90 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:31,000 it's a story, I'm going to tell you the story about it first before we really get into the discussion, 91 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:39,000 but it's a teenage boy is looking for the perfect gift for his little sister's birthday. 92 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:50,000 As he's window shopping, a very small doll catches his eye. 93 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:59,000 It's a very childlike doll that's dressed in a kimono with like shoulder-length hair. 94 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:04,000 Being really excited about the doll, he runs back to the, runs back home. 95 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:17,000 And the second his little sister, which her name is Okiku, sees the doll, she instantly falls in love with it. 96 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:22,000 From the point that he handed her the doll till the very end, 97 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:28,000 she treated this doll like it was her own living, breathing sister. 98 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:35,000 She would feed it, she would brush its hair, change its clothes, sleep with it. 99 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,000 She would even bathe with the doll. 100 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 Okay. 101 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Which is nothing unusual in my opinion for a very young girl to do, you know. 102 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:55,000 And my understanding of the story, this girl's probably, I'm going to say she's probably five or six years old, 103 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:01,000 maybe seven years old, she's very young. 104 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:12,000 But one hot summer day she's outside playing, playing with her doll, and Okiku was bitten by a mosquito. 105 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:19,000 Well, she inherently was infected with malaria. 106 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:25,000 And you know, in those days malaria was a death sentence pretty much. It's just, it's just how it was. 107 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:32,000 The family did everything they could possible to make sure that Okiku was as comfortable as she possibly could be. 108 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:40,000 But unfortunately, Okiku died scared and gasping for breath because that's just what malaria did to you. 109 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,000 But she never let go of that doll to the very end. 110 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:55,000 So the parents knowing her love for the doll, they wanted to try to bury the doll with her. 111 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:04,000 But unfortunately due to, I don't know if it was laws at the time or a religious thing, it didn't happen. 112 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,000 They didn't bury the doll with her. 113 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:18,000 They instead decided, well, we'll build a shrine in the house and leave the doll in the house as a memento to our lost daughter. 114 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:28,000 After some time strange things started happening around the house, but not to the point where it was odd. 115 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,000 They were like explainable things in a way for the most part. 116 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Like they thought they could just explain them away. 117 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,000 What does that fucking say? 118 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Oh, it just says that the family didn't acknowledge what was happening. 119 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Just not in the words that I said it the first time. 120 00:07:48,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Anyways, that is until one day the brother that actually bought the doll for Okiku walked past it and realized the hair had grown on the doll. 121 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,000 It was no longer shoulder length, but almost as long as the doll was tall. 122 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:10,000 And... 123 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:19,000 Oh, on top of the hair growing like it was, it was no longer a coarse black thick hair like you would see on a doll. 124 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:26,000 But it was more of a mix of that coarse black hair and a very soft brown type colored hair. 125 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Over time though the happenings became significantly worse to the point that all of the family members were having distressing nightmares about Okiku. 126 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:49,000 And in these nightmares it would be, oh, she was lost or she was uncontrollably crying and they couldn't help her. 127 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,000 It was just terrible nightmares like that. 128 00:08:52,000 --> 00:09:05,000 At this point the doll would randomly appear standing at the end of their bed or next to their bed when they woke up from the nightmare. 129 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:15,000 This went on for a while until one day the parents got the idea, which this is another thing that trips me out because I don't think Americans would have ever thought of this. 130 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:29,000 I know that's weird to say, but one day the parents were like, let's cut the doll's hair to back like it was, you know, shoulder length. 131 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000 All of the crazy stuff died almost completely down. 132 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,000 The nightmares went away. 133 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:39,000 She stopped leaving the shrine. 134 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:45,000 But any time her hair would get long again, things would start acting up again. 135 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:52,000 Well, finally the parents decided that they no longer wanted to deal with it. 136 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:59,000 They had tried to have it blessed, whatever they did, you know, how people get. 137 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:13,000 They decide that they're going to take the doll to the Meninji Temple in Iwami-zima, Iwami-zima, Iwami-zima, Japan. 138 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:18,000 Anyways, the Meninji Temple. 139 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:31,000 Of course, being a Buddhist temple, they would attempt to bless the doll and to try to help appease whatever entity is in this doll. 140 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:45,000 But every time one of them would try to do anything with this doll, especially alone, they would get just terrifying nightmares for weeks at a time. 141 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,000 Now they just upkeep the doll. 142 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,000 They trim its hair. 143 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,000 They don't try to bless it anymore for some reason. 144 00:10:53,000 --> 00:11:01,000 But apparently now the Meninji Temple is chock full of paranormal activity because of this doll. 145 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,000 The doll still resides in the Meninji Temple. 146 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:13,000 There are stories, kind of random stories here or there about people going in, seeing the doll, some of people touching the doll, 147 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:28,000 and then returning very quickly within a week, I would say, begging for forgiveness from the doll, telling them sorry for touching her or whatever this, that, and the other. 148 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:34,000 But that is the Okiku doll. 149 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,000 And I want to get you guys' opinion on this doll. 150 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Well, I mean, we know this is not the only reported haunted doll. 151 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,000 So you have, of course, the famous Annabelle. 152 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,000 You have Robert the doll. 153 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,000 You have several other different kinds. 154 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,000 I mean, there's a whole island. 155 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Yeah. 156 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,000 Which I don't think we've talked about Doll Island, have we? 157 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,000 No, not yet. 158 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:21,000 But to play devil's advocate towards haunted dolls, do you think it's just a creep factor of the dolls that create the story and the manifestations in the mind? 159 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Could be. 160 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:39,000 I'm just saying that where we see, especially in movies and in entertainment, where the doll is just standing there, and then of course the head snaps and it's like, wow, I see you. 161 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Yeah. 162 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:55,000 I understand, like, we as humans have developed a type of evolutionary standard of understanding threats and things that look human but not quite. 163 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:00,000 It's the same way of we can look at a car and see a face, right? 164 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Yeah. 165 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,000 It's a way for us to understand threats, threat analysis. 166 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:16,000 And dolls being not real humans and having those lifelike features but never really moving. 167 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:23,000 I think that triggers evolutionary survival impulse of it. 168 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Yeah. 169 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,000 I've heard that before. 170 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Yeah. 171 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:38,000 So, I mean, that's my actual question. Do you think it could be that and maybe, you know, it's just stories based off of that? 172 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:43,000 I mean, that's not out of the realm of possibilities, you know. 173 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Humans are inherently kind of odd like that. 174 00:13:50,000 --> 00:14:04,000 But to counteract that, I guess, mine would be there are a lot of videos out there, a lot of videos of dolls out there moving on their own. 175 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,000 On their own? 176 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,000 On their own. 177 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,000 On their own. 178 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Yeah. 179 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,000 On their own. 180 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,000 On their own. 181 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:29,000 And with no outside force whatsoever. Like the clown motel. I was just watching something on Tonopah, that clown, I think that's Tonopah, clown euporium or whatever. 182 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,000 It's a bunch of clowns in there. 183 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,000 Yeah, it's like Arizona or something, isn't it? 184 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:43,000 Yeah. But I was watching something like that and the big clown doll was like his arm moved off of his lap. Well, it had been sitting in the same spot all day long. 185 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:50,000 Why did it all of a sudden just shift off of his lap? It didn't make sense, you know. 186 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:57,000 So I think this particular story, I'm thinking we might be on the, I don't know. I don't know. We'll get further into discussion. 187 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,000 What gets me is the hair. 188 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,000 Yeah. 189 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:11,000 You know, because if you have multiple people and you see people cut hair and then you come back and it's the same length, I mean that would mean they'd have to replace the hair, right? 190 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Right. 191 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Essentially, if they're trying to fake it, so. 192 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,000 Yeah, that's a lot of work. 193 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Focus, look at him. He's like, I'm gonna find out this doll. 194 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Well, first, I just pulled up the temple and pulled up maps and I'm more so shocked that all this is completely legit. 195 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Just to be honest, you're telling him like, man, that's a really good story, essentially. 196 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:51,000 But it's like this is a real ass temple with a real ass doll in it. 197 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:56,000 And that blows me away. So you know, Tommy, you mentioned all these other haunted dolls. 198 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Well, these are housed by people with haunted museums or whatever the case is. 199 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:07,000 This is a religious temple, a real religious temple. 200 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:16,000 And if they're housing a haunted doll, then they must, they have to really believe it is absolutely legitimate. 201 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:21,000 Yeah, it's not like the Warrens that housed Annabelle. 202 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,000 Right. 203 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,000 You know. 204 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,000 So this is just kind of blowing me away. 205 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:39,000 Like, that's not something that organized religion or belief systems that have temples and they don't participate in this type of stuff unless it is legit. 206 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:45,000 And even then, I feel like a lot of times they'll deny it, right? 207 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,000 Yeah, that it's not a real thing. Yeah. 208 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,000 But now here's my other question. 209 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:56,000 Where did the doll get the power? Did the doll actually kill the little girl, maybe? 210 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:01,000 For soul? A pure soul, maybe? 211 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:10,000 Or is the little girl angry and possessed the doll? 212 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:18,000 You know, I don't know. I guess both of those things could be a plausible thing. 213 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:30,000 I know there is a, one of the stories claims about the doll that you can see that it's starting to grow teeth through its porcelain gums. 214 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:37,000 Like normal teeth, not like spiky teeth. 215 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:44,000 But that may just be that nobody noticed the little tiny teeth. I don't, I didn't, I didn't write that part down. That's just something that I read. 216 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,000 Oh, yeah. I see those tiny creepy teeth in these pictures. 217 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Yeah. 218 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:57,000 But people seem to think that they are actually growing there. They weren't always there. 219 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:13,000 And but my personal thought when I first read this was like this, this little girl loved this doll so much that she just instilled her essence in it the day that she died. 220 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Now, she may be angry that she died at an early age or angry with her parents because they couldn't help her or whatever. 221 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:36,000 But I think that might be what happened. And with that being said, this is actually one of the questions I wrote down because I like to write questions down to like help sometimes because I'm not good at being a conversationalist anymore. 222 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:48,000 So, one of the things that I wrote down here was like, what do you guys think about? Can somebody put enough of their own energy into something to bring it to life? 223 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:56,000 Do you think that's possible? That that's one of the stories for Robert the doll not to bring in another doll, but I guess we have no choice in the matter. 224 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:05,000 Where supposedly Robert the doll is haunted by the boy who the doll was given to. 225 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,000 Okay. 226 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:14,000 That's one story for that. Well, well, then that's not bringing it to life. Like what you're saying, Josh, is more like like Geppetto and Pinocchio. 227 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,000 Well, I guess there was a fairy involved in that, but that and the cricket. 228 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Well, the cricket didn't bring him to life. 229 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:30,000 Look, that was his conscience. Okay. Let your conscience be your God, Shane. Let it be your God. 230 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:36,000 But anyway, no shame. Don't let your conscience be your God. 231 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,000 As a matter of fact, I need sword in hand battling this mofo. Okay. 232 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,000 I'm like that cricket died a long time ago. 233 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:57,000 A picture Shane's like his consciousness is in a dungeon in his brain like shackled to the wall. 234 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:05,000 But I think so. I don't think alive in the sense that we are alive. 235 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:11,000 But I think I think it's possible. I think it would take a lot of energy transfer. 236 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:23,000 But I mean, you kind of see that with like Bigsby's chair, you know, essentially is him transferring his energy. 237 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,000 Yeah. Into the chair. 238 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:34,000 But you also have other haunted objects and stuff that, you know, become objects or haunted after somebody passes. 239 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:41,000 Bigsby's chair, in my opinion, is more of a curse than I'm going to, you know, drive my essence into you. 240 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:55,000 Now, this little girl, I think kids in general possess significantly more of that ability to, you know, transcend the veil kind of thing. 241 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Like they have the ability to see the other side where we really don't. 242 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Because you've seen it in a bunch of videos. I keep bringing up videos because these today is just I mean, these these times are just times of cameras and video. 243 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Everybody records everything. So you see it a lot more often. 244 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:20,000 A lot of kids be doing weird shit like that one little boy was like talking to his grandpa or something while it ended up in the bedroom. 245 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,000 You know, you had one kid that did like a balance beam on his crib. 246 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,000 You see that video? Oh, yeah. Yeah. 247 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,000 But I think kids have the ability to kind of push more of that. 248 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:37,000 They have more energy to give, first of all, than we do as adults. 249 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:44,000 In my opinion. Well, you know, what is that old saying like, you know, magic is real until you get older. 250 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,000 Right. You know, when you're a steel reel. 251 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:56,000 Well, when you're a kid, you have that innocence, you know, and therefore everything is just magical and you can see things. 252 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,000 And then people start telling you that's not real. That's not real. 253 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:04,000 That's not real. And then you slowly stop to stop believing it. 254 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:12,000 And then the magic does. And even beyond that, I mean, just the weight of growing up to, you know, 255 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:18,000 even if everyone still tells you everything's real, you see it less. Yeah. 256 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:23,000 You know, I always think about how we don't even see colors the same way. 257 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:28,000 You know, do you guys remember ever seeing a color young be like, this is my favorite color. 258 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,000 I love the way green looks. It's so great. 259 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:38,000 And now we can look at like just a room and we're not we see the colors, but they don't stick out to us. 260 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,000 Right. Yeah. It's just there. All right. 261 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:51,000 That's that's what I like to take at least maybe five minutes a day and just stare off into the horizon or stare at some type of scenery. 262 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:58,000 You know, like if I'm outside smoking a cigarette or whatever, you know, that's where I just stare off. 263 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,000 And, you know, I thought you were going to say stare at a color. 264 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:06,000 Right. So I remember that I really like blue. I'm going to look at something. 265 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,000 But no, I mean, it's it's very peaceful. 266 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:18,000 And, you know, it does really certain like dopamines and serotonin and stuff, whatever other chemicals make you feel good. 267 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:26,000 Just by staring into the natural beauty instead of the artificial beauty. 268 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:32,000 So with that being said, I love that you mentioned the chair and the curse with the energy getting put into it. 269 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:38,000 And so we're talking about this childlike energy. So what is the opposite of a curse? 270 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:45,000 So we have the yin and yang to everything. You know, we recently talked about like demons and angels are essentially the same, but different. 271 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,000 Right. So there has to be a yang to what a curse is. 272 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:55,000 And maybe that's what's going on. I think normally it would be considered a blessing, wouldn't it? 273 00:23:55,000 --> 00:24:01,000 Like you're blessed with like crops or blessed with fortune. 274 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:07,000 So but are there like I know like a priest can bless an object. 275 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,000 But is there an object like we have cursed objects that bring you bad luck? 276 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:18,000 Are there actually, as I'm saying, that there are there's objects that you have that people believe bring you good luck. 277 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,000 Rabbit's foot. Not so lucky for the rabbit, but that's such a weird thing. 278 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,000 I never understood. You're supposed to rub it to a lot of people don't know that they just hold on to it. 279 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Like, no, you're supposed to rub it for good luck. Yeah. 280 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:41,000 But like, let's say your great grandfather's pocket watch and your family has always said everyone who it gets passed down to 281 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:46,000 all of a sudden gains fortune and fertility and, you know, there's things like that. 282 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:51,000 Now, I do believe we have certain things like your grandfather's pocket watch, 283 00:24:51,000 --> 00:25:00,000 something that means so much sentimentally that we project like we have to have this on us because it means so much to us. 284 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,000 It was my grandfather's. It was my grandmother's. It was my mother's. My father's. My my brother. 285 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:16,000 Somebody like that that we put so much energy into that that without it there, it essentially takes part of our energy with it. 286 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:24,000 If we leave it at home, part of our energy still at the house, therefore, it could cause us to have an unlucky day or something bad could happen. 287 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,000 Yeah. So it's almost use it as a crutch. 288 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:37,000 So let's say that everyone that's passed down to did actually put their energy like these curses or maybe this doll if this was that transfer energy. 289 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:44,000 And so this blessed object, if you will, continues to build that up so much so to the point that you have it. 290 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,000 And not having it doesn't bring you bad luck. 291 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:53,000 But because you have had everyone else's energy with you, you just don't know how to operate without it. 292 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:59,000 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. It's like the concept of like going back to grandfather's watch. 293 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:06,000 You've had his watch. You have his watch passed down to your father and then it's passed down to you. 294 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:12,000 Now it feels like they're with you in a way and they're helping you throughout the day. 295 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,000 And when you don't have it, you don't know how to, you know, deal with the day. 296 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,000 All right. Yeah. I think we're saying the same thing just in different ways. 297 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:26,000 Yeah. Yeah, you are. That's normally how it goes. 298 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:32,000 Yeah. And that too is it does go in with what we're talking about, though. 299 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:41,000 I think that's what that little girl did. Now she didn't have generational essence put into the doll. 300 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:47,000 Or maybe it was. It may not have been her essence or her bloodlines essence. 301 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:55,000 But, you know, some other little girl may have had that doll, you know, and then a generation before that, that little girl had. 302 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:09,000 Who knows? I read somewhere that dolls used to be and this may not be true and don't I'm not I don't know how true it is. 303 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:19,000 Actually, let me say it like that. The dolls used to be vessels for the dead that they would build dolls kind of almost voodoo like thing. 304 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,000 Maybe not. That's how I interpreted it. That's not what it said. 305 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:36,000 But but that dolls were vessels for the dead to help crossover or something to cling to or whatever it was. 306 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:44,000 But that little girl, I think she just pumped so much of her energy into this doll that possibly it absorbed her essence. 307 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Because why would the parents have dreams of the little girl? I could see I could see having nightmares. 308 00:27:53,000 --> 00:28:01,000 But of the little girl, why the little girl? Without without it, if it wasn't her essence, you know what I mean? 309 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,000 She was, you said, like five or six when she died. Yeah. 310 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,000 So I think I think that would further prove it. We've all been around five and six year olds, right? 311 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,000 And when they're scared and confused, they they act out. They throw tantrums. 312 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:21,000 So imagine let's say it's not just the girl's energy. What you know, it's more of her. 313 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,000 You know, I'm not saying it's her whole soul, but maybe it almost thinks it is. Yeah. 314 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,000 And she's like, well, aren't you cutting my hair? Why aren't you taking care of me? 315 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:38,000 You know what's going on? And that's that that spirit essentially throwing a tantrum. Yeah. 316 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:50,000 Dude, we talked about when you die, the last the way you feel and when you died was the way you would live your afterlife. 317 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:58,000 Yeah. We talked about leaving the cabinets open till you spend all of eternity just trying to. Yeah. 318 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,000 So that makes a lot of fucking sense. That makes a lot of sense. 319 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:08,000 And that would make sense because you said when it was put at the temple, they started experience a lot of stuff. Yeah. 320 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:14,000 And that makes sense. Like, shit, you take your five year old kid and just drop them with a bunch of monks. 321 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,000 They're not going to be happy. Right. 322 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:23,000 They did manage to calm her down by, you know, pampering the doll, essentially just taking care of it and keeping it up. 323 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:31,000 I do have to say one thing that doll is not as creepy as a Victorian morning doll. 324 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:38,000 That is creepy. I think dolls are creepy in general, especially old porcelain dolls. 325 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:49,000 This is a nice doll, but all the artist renditions making her creepier. Those those are pretty wild. 326 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,000 They make it out to be like this horrible looking creature. And it's like, it's really not. 327 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:59,000 No, she's in a nice altar with like pretty vases and cabinets around. 328 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,000 It's a nice setup right next to what looks like a Buddha. Yeah. 329 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:11,000 It really does. She does look like a doll. Like if you went and visit Japan, that's the souvenir type doll you'd bring back. 330 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:20,000 Yeah. All right. Let's go to this temple and ask if we can take this specific doll as a souvenir. 331 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:26,000 I doubt they'll let that happen. So we steal it. No, I'm kidding. We would not steal that. 332 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:34,000 I don't want us to get in trouble. If you steal a doll that has a little girl spirit in it, is that kidnapping? 333 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,000 Oh, Lord, why don't you have to go there? That's a good question. 334 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:44,000 I think there's only been one time in history where a ghost got somebody put in prison. 335 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:52,000 So yeah, I did a whole thing on it on YouTube channel. Did you? You should check that out. Yeah. 336 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:58,000 Were you just plugging a video, Josh? I swear I wasn't. I just I heard that somewhere. 337 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:04,000 It just made me think about it. I'm assuming it's from that video, I guess. 338 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,000 It was the first time in American history that a ghost, it might be all history. 339 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:13,000 I have to go back and check. But yeah, that a ghost helped somebody put somebody in prison. 340 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,000 He says, let me go back and check all of world's history. Like it's just a file next to him. 341 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:24,000 Yeah, it probably is in his head. He's just. We should start a history podcast and go through all that. That'd be fun. 342 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:31,000 Yeah, that sounds horrible. For all of those that are new to the podcast, Tommy is like a, what do you call those? 343 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,000 Almost an almanac, but that's not right. I'm a person who likes history. 344 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:41,000 I do not get history right 100 percent of the time and nor will I ever. 345 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:47,000 But I do have little little fact toys from time to time to the people that wrote the books didn't even get it right. 346 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:52,000 So I'm really not too concerned about you getting it right all the time. 347 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,000 Do you know there's a funny thing when it comes to history books, there's two different versions floating around America. 348 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:06,000 You have one from California, which is the standard through most of America, but the South uses Texas. Nice. 349 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:12,000 Hmm. Well, what amazes me on history. 350 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:19,000 So now with the Internet, right, and we're connected to all these different countries, how things that we remember 351 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:30,000 and we're taught like like the founding of our country and the Battle of the Alamo and things like this are so different in other countries. 352 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:36,000 Oh, yeah. We're all taught like, oh, people came here to escape religious persecution. 353 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:45,000 And across the sea, they're like, yeah, it was a bunch of religious whack jobs that we told the leaf. 354 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:51,000 Well, not to get off subject. 355 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:56,000 But I think the issue, too, with history is a lot of people don't realize the nuance behind it. 356 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:05,000 They pick one simple bad time and they use that as an example of classifying a bunch of people or events. 357 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,000 So not understanding the actual history and stuff behind it. 358 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,000 Yeah, that's why I can't write the book about people fucking suck in the end. 359 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,000 Yeah, I mean, it is true. It is true. 360 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,000 But, you know, it's biggest thing. 361 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:27,000 Don't use present ism or modernism, whatever you want to call it. 362 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,000 Don't use the thought process of today to analyze history. 363 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,000 No, yeah. Different thought process back then. 364 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:46,000 Now, someone someone says, it's gross. They used to fuck their brothers back in the day. You're like, don't judge them for fucking their brothers because they. 365 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:54,000 I mean, essentially, yeah. I mean, Carthage back around the first Punic Wars used to sacrifice their kids so they can grow plants. 366 00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:00,000 I mean, that was the whole thing. If their harvest was not doing bad, it's like, all right, Timmy, you know what we got to do? 367 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,000 Yeah, you go up to your wife, you're like, all right, pick one. 368 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:17,000 Yeah, I mean, and then when they captured cities, they would raise the cities to the ground and then they would literally cut the dogs in half like, damn. 369 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,000 Yeah, just cut them in half. 370 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:26,000 So for those just tuning in, Tommy is justifying incest, child murder and chopping dogs in half. 371 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Yeah, yeah. It's been an interesting episode, ladies and gentlemen. 372 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,000 It was over a thousand years ago. This happened two days ago. 373 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Whoa. 374 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:46,000 Anyways, back on the daggum hunted dog. 375 00:34:46,000 --> 00:35:05,000 We were talking about the transfer energy and then, you know, if it's an actual spirit and how do we think at all it could be like the full girl spirit is trapped in the doll somehow, not just energy transfer, but like her and her entirety is trapped in there. 376 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000 That's that's kind of how I took it. 377 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:17,000 I know that they say that demons or certain spirits can like mimic little kids. 378 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:27,000 It's I took it as her whole essence like our whole spirit or whatever is sucked into this doll. Hence why the hair grows or or why it's growing teeth now or whatever. 379 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:34,000 But I think that's I think that's what it is. 380 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000 And growing teeth now, do you? 381 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,000 And it's been you said this was early 1900s, right? Yeah. 382 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000 It's slowly becoming human. 383 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:48,000 Yeah, that's the thought that they think it's slowly becoming human. 384 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:54,000 Do you think if we throw it in a like nuclear reactor, it would like speed up the process? 385 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000 Maybe. 386 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,000 Just wondering. 387 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,000 You're gonna have a super mutant doll ghost? 388 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,000 That's we should make a movie about that. 389 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:12,000 I'm picturing the super mutants from fallout, but like with the porcelain doll face, that's kind of wild. 390 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,000 Ducky, Ducky. 391 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:22,000 I was playing Fallout three the other day. 392 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,000 Oh, man, that would be some scary shit. 393 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:37,000 I just pictured big green mutants with just a porcelain doll's mask on his face. 394 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,000 So if it started with hair and then teeth, what do you think's next? 395 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,000 Fingernails. 396 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,000 Fingernails. 397 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000 I'd say fingernails. 398 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000 Skin starts turning to flesh. 399 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,000 That's when you really got to worry. 400 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,000 Right. 401 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:56,000 I'm actually surprised no one tried to burn the doll or anything. 402 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:04,000 But I mean, if the family believes like the little girl's essence is in there and burning it might, you know, destroy the essence. 403 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000 I guess that makes sense. 404 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:14,000 Yeah, I'm not sure how Buddhism is thought of when it comes to the body in that aspect. 405 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,000 Well, that's what's kind of because I think they're big in reincarnation. 406 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,000 Yeah. 407 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000 And then eventually reaching Nirvana. 408 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,000 So you would. 409 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:33,000 But then that will not whoever does burn the doll that probably knocks them down in their on their path to enlightenment. 410 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,000 So no one can destroy it. 411 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000 But she can't move forward because she's trapped. 412 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,000 That kind of sucks. 413 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:46,000 The parents seem to think that she had she was just a restless spirit like she could never fully rest for some reason. 414 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:52,000 And I think it was because she couldn't be buried with the doll. 415 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:59,000 But do you think we found her grave, which is probably going to be near to impossible now. 416 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,000 Buried the doll there, it would stop everything. 417 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,000 I mean, it would make sense, right? 418 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,000 This feels like a supernatural episode now. 419 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,000 Maybe it is. 420 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,000 Maybe it is. 421 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,000 Sam, we've got to find the girl's grave and bury the doll with her. 422 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,000 Hey, there's a supermarket. 423 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,000 There's a supermarket on top of the grave. 424 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:30,000 Oh, that is an obstacle they would hit the whole fucking supermarket. 425 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:37,000 Open 24 hours a day and super busy. 426 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000 What's your next question, Josh? 427 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,000 Oh, man, I don't know. 428 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,000 I put it up. 429 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000 Like I'm done with this. 430 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,000 I'm done talking. 431 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,000 I only wrote just a couple of questions down. 432 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,000 It wasn't much. 433 00:38:52,000 --> 00:39:02,000 Oh, do you think the parents had anything to do with the girl's essence going into the doll? 434 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:14,000 Like maybe it was one of those things where father or mother was secretly going in there and like some kind of way. 435 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,000 Like, I don't know. 436 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:22,000 Well, I mean, I don't know about, you know, Japanese. 437 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:28,000 I don't want to say witch doctors because I feel like that's like a stereotypical thing. 438 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,000 But I don't know if they had any. 439 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:37,000 I mean, I'm sure they had some type of shaman or something like that outside of Buddhism. 440 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:43,000 And maybe they were trying to their daughter was dying. 441 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,000 So, yeah, to save her essence, maybe they did something in her spirit. 442 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,000 She chuckied. They chuckied their daughter is what I'm getting at. 443 00:39:51,000 --> 00:40:01,000 You know, and upon the spirit leaving, entering the doll, maybe it like corrupted the spirit. 444 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:07,000 And that's why the spirit is evil when it has long hair. 445 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,000 It's kind of on the same sense. 446 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000 Somebody hits their head. 447 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:22,000 They become, you know, they hit their frontal lobe is possibility that they become a sociopath, psychopath, you know, no emotions, no feelings, no empathy. 448 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:28,000 Lobotomites. 449 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000 I want to talk. 450 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000 What? 451 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,000 What was that? 452 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,000 I want to talk about. 453 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,000 Oh, yeah. 454 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000 Penis fingers or whatever it was. 455 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,000 Penis on his hands. 456 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000 What kind of porn are y'all watching? 457 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,000 What's going on? 458 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,000 Actually from fall out. 459 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,000 New Vegas. 460 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,000 Yeah. 461 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000 The DLCs you go to the lobotomites. 462 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000 Yeah. 463 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,000 Oh, and they're they're just brains. 464 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,000 Need to go back and get that DLC. 465 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,000 Yeah. 466 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:09,000 But back to, you know, if the parents had a part in this, maybe maybe just unintentionally. 467 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,000 So they didn't bring anyone they didn't do. 468 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,000 But the process of setting the doll up on a shrine, right? 469 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,000 Didn't you say they set up shrine? 470 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,000 Yeah. 471 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,000 Kind of in more memoriam of their their daughter. 472 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000 Maybe that did some sort of spiritual connection. 473 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,000 So the daughter was going to be at rest. 474 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,000 And actually that ties back into what you said. 475 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:34,000 You know, because the doll wasn't buried with her. 476 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,000 Maybe if the doll was just left in a box, it wouldn't have happened. 477 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,000 But they essentially charged it. 478 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,000 They emotionally charged it more by putting it on a shrine. 479 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,000 It's feeding off of their emotions. 480 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,000 Yeah. 481 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:52,000 Fed off enough to pull the daughter's spirit to make her restless. 482 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,000 Yeah. 483 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,000 She could have very well been stuck in the house, you know, never left the house. 484 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,000 I think the story, she died in the house. 485 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:09,000 So, which this story, there are several different versions of it, 486 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:19,000 but they're all essentially little girl dies, doll possessed, you know, nightmares kind of thing. 487 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,000 Just the details are a little different. 488 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:29,000 Why do you think that is? Do you think it's because it's been in that temple so long, 489 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:36,000 the monks don't talk about the tragedy behind the little girl out of respect, right, for the family little girl. 490 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,000 So we just made up our own versions of it. 491 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,000 They just know all that was a little girl's doll and then created their own stories behind it. 492 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,000 Yeah. 493 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:51,000 I mean, that could go into, you know, the game you played as a kid where you like lined up 494 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:56,000 and then somebody told somebody a secret and they told the secret over and over and over. 495 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,000 What was that, the telephone game or whatever? 496 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:04,000 Yeah. And then by the time I got to the front, the story was completely different. 497 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,000 I think it's that kind of idea. 498 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,000 People knew the basics and they just kind of built their own story. 499 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,000 Maybe that was it. 500 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,000 Yeah. 501 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,000 I mean, that's essentially what we do in general with other urban legends, you know. 502 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,000 Right. 503 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,000 Like the green guy, the green man, they made him out to be like this horrible guy who would electrocute you. 504 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,000 And all it was was just people being complete assholes to this dude. 505 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,000 Oh, yeah. 506 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,000 I remember that. 507 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,000 And could you, I mean, people like us could be at fault. 508 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,000 You know, we researched different sites and, you know, literature for our subjects 509 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:50,000 and we might pull from, you know, eight to ten different sources and two of them were completely made up 510 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000 and we didn't realize. 511 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,000 So some made up facts sneak in there. 512 00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:02,000 That has happened to at least all of us because that whole damn Wikipedia for Supernatural. 513 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,000 It got me good one time. 514 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,000 Or twice. 515 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,000 It got me a couple times. 516 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:18,000 You know, it's weird, though, all the joking we did about that the last I mean, for a long time now, 517 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:23,000 I haven't fucking seen the Supernatural fan page and Wiki or whatever. 518 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:29,000 I think it's because we moved away from like what they were actually dealing with. 519 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,000 We're we're finding these stories. 520 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,000 No one really talks about. 521 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:39,000 Oh, yeah, probably. 522 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,000 And we got better at research. 523 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,000 I will put that out there, too. 524 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,000 No. 525 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,000 Oh, man. 526 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:56,000 My nose is hurting guys on the inside and my in my esophagus. 527 00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:01,000 It's from all the sniffling. 528 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,000 Did I take some night quit? 529 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,000 Listen, go sleep. 530 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:11,000 I have been sick more this year than I ever have in my whole fucking life. 531 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:17,000 I'm tired of this. 532 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,000 God damn it, Shane. 533 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,000 Damn it. 534 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,000 I mean, might be my fault. 535 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,000 I told you I'm like, keep keep saying you never get sick. 536 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,000 It's going to come for you one day. 537 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,000 Yeah, it finally came for you. 538 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,000 Bam show did. 539 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,000 But I'll do the same things I always do and I'll let my body fucking take care of that shit naturally. 540 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,000 And then I won't have that problem again. 541 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,000 Maybe once or twice more. 542 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,000 Who knows? 543 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,000 I am getting old. 544 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,000 So they're not talk too much shit. 545 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000 What do you say about old? 546 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,000 We're so young. 547 00:45:53,000 --> 00:46:01,000 I took a picture of you one time where you look like you were in your fucking sixties. 548 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:09,000 We are old, Tommy. 549 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,000 Speak for yourselves. 550 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,000 That's because I had that beard. 551 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,000 OK. 552 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,000 Bad angles, bad angles. 553 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,000 I get it. 554 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,000 I get it. 555 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:28,000 Look, I have to play a game with myself when I look in the mirror because, you know, I got two dogs and they're both black and white. 556 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,000 And Penny sheds all her white hair. 557 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:37,000 So somehow it gets in my beard from time to time because we share, you know, they sleep in the bed. 558 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,000 And I'll sit in the mirror. 559 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,000 I'm like, oh, Penny for white hair make me think I got gray. 560 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,000 And I pull on it and actually pluck out gray hairs. 561 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,000 And I'm like, so I got to play a game. 562 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,000 Is it Penny's or is it mine? 563 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:56,000 Actually, me personally, I can't wait to fucking get gray, man. 564 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,000 I kind of dig it. 565 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,000 I think that's what I want. 566 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,000 My beard's got my beard's got all kinds of gray hair in it. 567 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,000 I could deal with like gray spotches, you know. 568 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,000 Yeah. 569 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,000 It's kind of like dignified, but not like full on gray. 570 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,000 I don't know if I can deal with that. 571 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,000 Yeah. 572 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,000 I want like dark brown eyebrows, you know. 573 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,000 I can't wait. 574 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,000 Great Scott. 575 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:30,000 Anyways. 576 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:36,000 Well, anyways, boys, I think we about discussed that one out. 577 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:43,000 Do you guys have any final thoughts on the Okiku doll? 578 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,000 That looked like he was going to plug his butt. 579 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,000 Did you just discover emojis? 580 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,000 I didn't even know it had emojis. 581 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,000 Oh, it does have emojis on there. 582 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,000 Anyways, final thoughts, not emojis. 583 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,000 Both of you. 584 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,000 What's these here yellow faces? 585 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,000 I never realized that it even had a face down there. 586 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,000 I never pay attention to that shit down there. 587 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,000 I knew the present button and the rave hand button. 588 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,000 Shane, do you want to go through final thoughts? 589 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,000 Sure. 590 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,000 Tommy and Josh are old. 591 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,000 That's all my thoughts. 592 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,000 Nice. 593 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,000 Tommy? 594 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:27,000 Just so everyone knows, I am legitimately a lot younger than them. 595 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,000 Yeah, he is. 596 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,000 One year. 597 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,000 Maybe one and a half. 598 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,000 Actually, I don't even think it's a whole year. 599 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,000 I don't think it is either. 600 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,000 And we're not as old as we say we are. 601 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,000 Not a day over 46. 602 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,000 Yeah. 603 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:51,000 But I do, so obviously, this is real without a doubt. 604 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,000 Yeah. 605 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,000 In my mind. 606 00:48:54,000 --> 00:49:00,000 Obviously, it's a doll and for Buddhist monks to be involved, there's something going on with it. 607 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:06,000 I think the bigger question is how and why. 608 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:16,000 I think definitely the energy getting fed into it while the girl was alive. 609 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:25,000 And I do think, well, we touched right at the end, that the parents putting it on the altar and feeding their energy kind of trapped the daughter. 610 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,000 I don't think the daughter ever meant to be attached to the doll. 611 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:36,000 I think there was just enough emotional fragrance, that's such the wrong word, but I'm going to stick with it. 612 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,000 It flowed so well. 613 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,000 Had been soaked into the doll that it just happened. 614 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,000 And I do think that that's why the hair is growing. 615 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,000 And I do think the girl throws tantrums when it's not up kept. 616 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,000 She's like, if I'm going to be here, then you've got to upkeep this doll. 617 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,000 Yeah. 618 00:49:55,000 --> 00:50:00,000 As far as it turning human, I would love, unfortunately, will not be able to. 619 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:07,000 I would love to check in in another hundred years and see if fingernails were growing or something like that. 620 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,000 That would be wild. 621 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,000 Especially with the teeth. 622 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,000 And you guys have seen porcelain dolls. 623 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,000 They don't typically have teeth. 624 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:22,000 So I kind of think that maybe it is growing some teeth. 625 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,000 Because that overcomplicates the making of those glass faces. 626 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,000 Right? 627 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,000 Mm hmm. 628 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,000 So yeah, that's what I think is going on. 629 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,000 And I think it is. 630 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:44,000 I don't think it will turn fully human, but I think it's going to take some steps one day. 631 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,000 Yeah. 632 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:53,000 I don't know. It's an interesting story and I love the story. 633 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,000 And it just, I don't know. 634 00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:02,000 I can't even get my thoughts together for some reason right now. 635 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:08,000 Because I mean, there's so much to it that it could be. 636 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,000 It could be the little girl. 637 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:16,000 It could be the doll could be possessed. 638 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,000 An evil spirit took over the doll. 639 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,000 Because it felt the embrace of the little girl or something. 640 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:29,000 So I like to believe it's real. 641 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,000 As far as the hair growing and stuff. 642 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,000 Because like Shane said, it's in a Buddhist temple. 643 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,000 They're not really making money off this doll. 644 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,000 Right. 645 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,000 In fact, they're not advertising it to my knowledge to hey come see the crazy scary doll. 646 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:48,000 Where we see with like the Warren's museum where you paid like 30 bucks to go walk through it. 647 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:59,000 Or you know, Zach Baggins museum that he just bought all that crap because he wants to own a monopoly on ghost hunting. 648 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,000 Right. 649 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,000 So it's not money driven. 650 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:13,000 I'm going to say it's real and I'm going to say that the means of it is just going to be a mystery. 651 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:19,000 Because like I said, I just a lot stands out and a lot just doesn't make sense. 652 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,000 But at the same time makes sense if that makes sense. 653 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,000 Yeah, yeah, makes sense. 654 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,000 You know, yeah. 655 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,000 Well, like the doll being mean. 656 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,000 Yeah. 657 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,000 And causing the nightmares. 658 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:36,000 But it came from a little girl who from I'm guessing all the other stories was not like a mean hateful little girl. 659 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,000 Right. 660 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,000 You know, that begs why that. 661 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:45,000 But then it's like, OK, well, her soul got manipulated or whatever getting transferred into the body or maybe half of her soul. 662 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:51,000 And if you believe in the yin yang where you have a good and bad, you know, part of you. 663 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,000 So I guess that's just going to be the mystery of it. 664 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,000 So that's just my take. 665 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:11,000 Yeah, I think for me, I think this little girl loved that doll so much that her full essence went into the doll, her full spirit went into the doll. 666 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:20,000 Not because of the parents, not because of of any kind of outside and for, you know, force or whatever. 667 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:37,000 I do think since we discussed it, the one time, you know, how you were on your last in your last breath is how you will live eternity for that could be a huge possibility as to why the nightmares were happening, why the evil or the the. 668 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,000 I don't want to say evil because no one was killed. 669 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:46,000 But the nightmares and like the taunting with the doll being next to the bed. 670 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,000 And I think that's why, you know, she was scared. 671 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:54,000 She was angry with the world, you know, right before she died. 672 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,000 And I think she lived her soul just stuck in that. 673 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:04,000 I think she is growing into the doll. 674 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,000 I think the doll is becoming human. 675 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:13,000 But I think spawn the movie that the best way I could really explain it. 676 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:20,000 Time doesn't flow the same outside of our realm outside of our reality. 677 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,000 It's significantly slower. 678 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:30,000 You know, he was only in hell for five minutes, but for five years it had passed on Earth or whatever it was that happened. 679 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:40,000 And I think that's why only now we're seeing the teeth grow on the doll. 680 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:47,000 And the hair is always just kind of been that the hair is probably the easiest thing because it was already there, you know. 681 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:57,000 But, yeah, it is crazy thoughts to see this doll or to know that this is a real doll in a real Buddhist temple. 682 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,000 And you can go see it. You can go see the doll. 683 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,000 Of course, we'd have to go to Japan. 684 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:09,000 But what are you crying about? Why are you crying? You sad? 685 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:18,000 He might have looked up like I did. Plane tickets are $1,286. 686 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,000 Ew. Yeah, that'd be sad too. Good job crying. Good job. 687 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,000 That was the perfect, the right emotion. Right one. 688 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,000 I'm going to do an episode where I just talk in emojis. 689 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:41,000 And by the way, I think I'm going to have to add emotional fragrance to my vocabulary. 690 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:47,000 Anyways, if you like what you've heard here tonight, ladies and gentlemen, 691 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,000 make sure to give us a like and follow on wherever you find us. 692 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,000 Check us out everywhere. 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