1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Hello, I'm Caitlin and this is my January surprise. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Oh, oh no. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,000 January surprise has a different ring than the October surprise. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,000 And I'm Zach. 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,000 Spoiler alert. 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:24,000 And I'm back ready to attack, ready to lack in my content delivered to you in your ears. 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Oh, self deprecating. 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,000 Welcome. 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Kick it off. 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,000 That's how we gotta go. 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Welcome to Manipulating the Masses Season 3. 12 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Alright, we're back. 13 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Season 3. 14 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 It's been a minute. 15 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Zach and I had to take care of the company for a little bit. 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,000 As you know, we do run a marketing agency on the side. 17 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 It's our side hobby. 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Podcasting is our number one. 19 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:28,000 So we're back with season 3 and I asked Zach why he decided to call this season 3. 20 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,000 And he told me that every 10 episodes is a season. 21 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:38,000 So I needed to relay that to my audience because not even I knew that. 22 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,000 So season 3. 23 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Zach, what are we going to be talking about on season 3? 24 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,000 Oh, Caitlin. 25 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Yeah. 26 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,000 And I went Game of Thrones style. 27 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Game of Thrones had 10 episodes every season. 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,000 So I'm following the Game of Thrones model just to clarify. 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:56,000 But also, so we've been talking a lot about what we want to do this new season. 30 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:08,000 And you know, post midterm elections, ramping up many, well, one candidate has already declared for the 2024 election. 31 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:24,000 And so we thought it'd be a great opportunity for us to take our marketing know-how and our marketing ideas and translate that to the audience to give you guys the tools to understand when candidates on both sides. 32 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:34,000 This is a very centralized approach to it, but candidates on both sides are going to try to manipulate you ramping up to the 2024 election. 33 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:48,000 If you can see it, if you can see the tactics they're using, maybe we can make just an informed decision rather than one that's pulling on our emotional strings to get us to act in ways against our own interest. 34 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:57,000 And we're going to be diplomatic throughout this season and represent both the Republican side and the Democratic side equally. 35 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,000 We're going to try to be real journalists without an opinion. 36 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,000 But do our best. 37 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:11,000 So now, let me get into the podcast that I researched through Wikipedia. 38 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:19,000 I love it. 39 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Okay, well, great. I think that's all we need to say about season three, right? 40 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,000 Yeah, let's get into it. 41 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Let's get into it. 42 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:37,000 So this episode, we're going to, oh, also I want to mention I have a new microphone, so I feel extra sultry this season. 43 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000 I feel like a real podcaster. 44 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Yeah, yeah, even like noticed it in my presence here. I'm like wearing headphones. I'm like very close to the mic. 45 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,000 I'm feeling like a real podcaster. 46 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Zach, you got like a subtle whisper to your voice to you with the mic. 47 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 I know, I can't help it. 48 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,000 It's like, it's like, it's like you're just telling me a bedtime story about that. 49 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,000 And I love it. 50 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,000 Like, I want more of it. 51 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,000 Yeah. 52 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Yeah. 53 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:13,000 I realize like my husband says this about me, I have an inflection in my voice. So I get overly excited about things and I tend to just yell at people. 54 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,000 And I realized that I do that a lot in the podcast. 55 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:23,000 But and some of our fired up some of our IG Instagram reels. 56 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,000 I have to preface. I'm not yelling at you. We are yelling together. So. 57 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Yeah, we're yelling as one as one. 58 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Cool. So today we're going to be talking about the October surprise. 59 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:47,000 In short, the October surprise is a political news story that comes onto the scene shortly before election day and its primary purpose is to sway votes. 60 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:57,000 Whether this is by accident, or whether this is purposely planted is something that we will get into. 61 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:06,000 And Zach has been doing a lot of research on kind of the psychological effects of campaigning. 62 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:17,000 So I want to ask you to just kind of jump in where you see fit when I go through the history of all the October surprises that we've seen in the past. 63 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Oh, you got it. 64 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:23,000 Not that you needed permission to do that. You were going to do that anyways, but now I'm like granting it to you. 65 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:31,000 I love it. And I'm excited because I know I mean there was a big October surprise in 2016 right and then but I don't know the other ones. 66 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:36,000 So I'm excited from what you got on all of these October surprises. 67 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Okay, cool. 68 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:51,000 So the October surprise was coined by William Casey when he served as campaign manager of Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential campaign. 69 00:05:51,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Fun fact Casey did go on to become the director of the CIA under Reagan that has nothing to do with what I previously said but just fun fact. 70 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:07,000 Well, he went from campaign manager to director of the CIA. 71 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Talk about networking. 72 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Networking that's what you get when you meet powerful people. 73 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:22,000 Even though he was the first to coin it there are plenty of examples of this October surprise dating back to 1840. 74 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Whoa. 75 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:28,000 I know. I know. Can you even imagine the scandals in the 1800s? 76 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:39,000 Like what what do you think they would be about because now they're so insane in the 1840s it would be like he stole a jug of milk from the local farmer. 77 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Yeah, or I mean I do know like Jefferson and what was the guy that hated him Madison like back in the day. 78 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:57,000 I think it was Madison don't quote me but they they would like write about each other in the papers and just claim that they had mistresses all over and children out of wedlock. 79 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,000 So I mean it's come a long way but it really hasn't come out. 80 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 No, it's always about the mistress. 81 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,000 And the children remember save the children. 82 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Save the children. 83 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 So let's get into it. 84 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:17,000 I'm going to take you down every single October surprise in existence. 85 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,000 I'm so excited. 86 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000 I know I love the scandal and usually it's a celebrity scandal. 87 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:28,000 So now this is why I'm into politics because there is just as many scandals. 88 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:38,000 So shortly before the 1840 presidential election, federal prosecutors announced plans to charge the top wig party officials. 89 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Pause there. 90 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 Do we know what the way party is? 91 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,000 You probably with an H. Yeah, yeah. 92 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,000 The wig. 93 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Quick. 94 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:59,000 I had for I've heard the wig party but I obviously have forgotten about them they were dissolved. 95 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,000 But they kind of eventually kind of became the Republican Party. 96 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,000 So that's that I figured people should know that. 97 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:19,000 So they charged federal prosecutors charge the top wig party officials with the most stupendous and atrocious fraud because they claimed that they were paying Pennsylvania. 98 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Sorry, paying Pennsylvanians to cross state lines and vote for wig candidates in New York during the 38 elections. 99 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Isn't that funny? 100 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,000 How are Republicans always at the center of voter fraud? 101 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Yeah, I was I'm like flabbergasted. 102 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Like I didn't know that but how how it just history repeats itself. 103 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,000 History repeats itself. 104 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,000 Well, there's a great. 105 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:52,000 Mark Twain quote that I love that says history doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes. 106 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,000 And I think that's so clever. 107 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,000 And this is an example of that right like they're like literally they were saying they paid people to cross the border. 108 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:14,000 Now they're saying that they bust people like in this different cities to vote and across state lines like it doesn't or the mail in ballots people are dropping multiple mail in ballots, which okay. 109 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,000 Interesting. 110 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,000 So, moving on. 111 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:31,000 In the year 1836, a new story came out that the James K. Polk who was the 11th president had his slaves branded. 112 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,000 A lot of these stories are going to kind of be like a one liner very much like this. 113 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,000 No, I yeah. 114 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:45,000 There's not a lot of grounds to these these are just known as the years October surprise. 115 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:52,000 But I will pause you there because like that's the tactic right we'll get into that but there isn't a lot of meat to these allegations. 116 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,000 It's just the timing of these allegations that are important. 117 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:17,000 Moving into 1880 shortly before those 1880 presidential elections, a forged letter was published purportedly written by James a Garfield voicing support for Chinese immigration to the United States at the time most white Americans opposed Chinese immigration. 118 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:39,000 All right, in the week leading up to the 1884 presidential election, Republican nominee, James Blaine attended a meeting in which Presbyterian preacher claims that the Democrats were the party of the rum Romanism and rebellion and Romanism I guess is just a slang for 119 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:54,000 Catholic Romans, which oh okay. Yeah, exactly. Am I feeling so um rum Romanism and rebellion. Yeah, sounds like a party to me. 120 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,000 Yeah, I was like that. That's a great tagline. 121 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:12,000 Um, then we're getting into the 1888 US presidential election the Republicans published a letter by Lionel Sackville West who was the British ambassador. 122 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:33,000 The ambassador suggested that Democratic presidential candidate Grover Cleveland was preferred as president from the British point of view. So that actually caused all the Irish American voters to vote against him and and pushed them into the Republican fold and actually Cleveland lost the presidency this year, or that year. 123 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Yes. Okay, so now we're getting in the 1920s finally we can recognize some people. So 1920 presidential election rumors circulated that Warren G. Harding was of African American descent and Harding campaign. 124 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000 What. 125 00:11:50,000 --> 00:12:13,000 And then Harding's campaign feared that the rumor would affect his popularity amongst white Southerners. So his campaign made it a point to prove Harding's whiteness. And I found this one so funny that I tried to look up what this campaign entailed and there's like nowhere on the internet at least nowhere that I found that actually had this 126 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:36,000 They scrubbed it. They scrubbed it. Well, is that or like, were they really proving Harding whiteness I don't I don't know it's like pretty ludicrous. But while I was doing this research, another headline came up that tagged Warren G. Harding as America's horniest president. 127 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:53,000 I've heard that one. Have you. So I think that is coming up on my radar. The next podcast is, I need to know a list of America's horniest presidents and who came up with this. 128 00:12:53,000 --> 00:13:06,000 So I need to get into that. Well, sexiest magazine. Yeah, we'll drop some some content around our ranking of the horniest presidents. Bill Clinton's got to be up there. Oh, it's gotta be up there. 129 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:18,000 I mean, can we just say it. Can we just actually, I really want to backtrack from this because I just paused and thought about like the horniest presidents and like this is not a road I want to go down. 130 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Like, let's not do that. Right. Like, I was trying to name the horniest president in my in my list and I was like, no, I'm not going to do this. So maybe. 131 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:51,000 I think it would be an interesting road to go down presidential taglines or presidential campaign ideas. Because I would love to know, I would love to dig into Harding's whiteness campaign. 132 00:13:51,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Harding is very white by the way. Like there's no ethnic disparities in the way he looks. He's like, he's like, yeah, he's like Salty and Cracker white and I don't understand how people this is the thing with the October surprises. 133 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:31,000 They're just like, yeah, he's of African descent. Right. There's like nothing to it. No, it's just like it gets out in this public atmosphere and there's not enough time between when this allegation comes out to win the vote is for people to really dissect it and think about it, which is great marketing tactic. 134 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:47,000 Well, and it's funny that he felt that there were enough grounds to actually build a counter campaign that proved that no, I'm white. I am full blown white people. 135 00:14:47,000 --> 00:15:07,000 That's the insanity of politics. So less than a month. Okay, so moving on, we talked about 1920. Now we're going to talk about 1940 less than a month before the 1940 presidential election. President Roosevelt's press secretary need a black officer in the groin outside of Madison score garden. 136 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:22,000 That was that October surprise. The Suez crisis and Hungarian Revolution have both been described as October surprises during the 1956 presidential election. 137 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:45,000 October 7 1964, just under a month before the presidential elections. One of President Johnson's top aids, Walter Jenkins was arrested for disorderly contact with another man at the Washington DC, why am I a place described as a gathering place of homosexuals. 138 00:15:45,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Oh my God, how dare you know now the village people song starts to make a lot of sense to me if it was a YMCA is just Americans version of a Turkish Turkish bathhouse maybe is how in the sixties they saw it is a bathhouse. 139 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:09,000 YMCA equals bathhouse. 140 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:18,000 With a recreational area. 141 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:40,000 On October 26 1972 12 days before the election on November 7, the United States chief negotiator and presidential national security advisor Henry Kissinger, which we have brought him up before in our podcast. Do you remember. 142 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:47,000 We were talking about it wasn't the Vietnam War, was it? No. 143 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,000 Elizabeth Holmes, when she created their nose. 144 00:16:52,000 --> 00:17:04,000 She got all of these people on her board of advisors and one of them was Kissinger, and she got all of these, like political advisors on her. 145 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:18,000 There are no board of advisors. So yeah. Sorry, I got to 1972 12 days before the election. 146 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Henry Kissinger appeared at a press conference held at the White House and announced that we believe that piece is at hand. 147 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:35,000 That was in reference to. 148 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:44,000 Oh, thus officially ending the US involvement in the Vietnam War in the Vietnam War. That's right. That's right. That's right. 149 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,000 I knew I had researched out a little bit more but I just didn't put it in my notes. 150 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:58,000 So obviously that was meant to sway votes. All right, so now is 1980. 151 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:06,000 And this is when the term was officially coined by William Casey, who was under Ronald Reagan. 152 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:15,000 Ronald Reagan and this was actually coined the October surprise conspiracy. 153 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:28,000 And then Reagan feared that a last minute deal to release American hostages held in Iran might earn current President Jimmy Carter enough votes to win reelection. 154 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:42,000 So William Casey started going to the press and started warning of this quote October surprise, and Carter using this news to his advantage and then the voters would look at the event as a bullet. Oh, sorry. 155 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:51,000 And then he started giving this news to his advantage and saying, Hey, look what I did. I released the American hostages in Iran. 156 00:18:51,000 --> 00:19:06,000 And so William Casey's point by going to the news was to tell voters or was to point this out to voters so they would then look at the event as a political poi poi by the Carter campaign to win the election. 157 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:12,000 So just kind of giving the information back to the voters and letting them decide. 158 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:24,000 Um, yeah, that's some 3d chess marketing right there being like, I know this good news is coming. I'm going to shift the narrative prior to it and taking the like that some totally 3d chess marketing. 159 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:48,000 And then it gets even more involved. David Rockefeller was the chairman of Chase Bank and quote collaborated closely with the Reagan campaign to spread rumors about a possible payoff to win the release of the Iranian American hostages. 160 00:19:48,000 --> 00:20:09,000 And then I ran to release the hostages right before the election. So then David Rockefeller, along with the Reagan campaign, a party started talking about this possible payoff and a propaganda effort that the Carter administration officially have said 161 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:19,000 talks to free the kids. Sorry, I did not review my notes. 162 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Okay, okay, okay, let me just let me just parse together some of my notes and create a story out of it. Okay. 163 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:39,000 Rockefeller was the chairman of Chase Bank, who collaborated closely with the Reagan campaign and spread rumors about a possible payoff to win the release of the hostages. 164 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:50,000 This was a propaganda effort that the Carter administration officials have actually said impeded talks to free the captives so they said it backwards. 165 00:20:50,000 --> 00:21:06,000 An article in the Washington Post in the fall of 1980 about a possible October surprise alleged alleged that the Carter administration was preparing a major military operation and I ran for rescuing us hostages in order to help him get reelected. 166 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:22,000 So that was an article that got pushed out in Washington Post. And then following that subsequent allegations surfaced against Reagan alleging that his team had actively impeded the hostage release. 167 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:49,000 A declassified CIA CIA memo from 1980 included that I can't pronounce this name. A tola Comini and other Iranian hardliners. I told I a tola Comini were determined to exploit the hostage issue to bring about President Carter's defeat in the 168 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:59,000 November election. I just said a lot and I said it very sporadically. Do you want to repeat what I just said? Do you understand what I said? 169 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Essentially. Yeah. So essentially the Iran crisis is going on where there's American hostages based on you know the revolution going on there. It's close. It's happening in October close to Carter's reelection efforts. 170 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Reagan came in and they started to lay the groundwork that this was a political move then partnered with corporations i.e. JD Rockefeller from Chase to give some grounds to that they are going to give money to Iran in order to release these hostages in order to do it before the 171 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:51,000 election. So Jimmy Carter would have some kind of good news to relay right before the election. So it's almost like a battle of the October surprises. Yes. Right. Carter's like trying to push this right before the election to have something to run on and 172 00:22:51,000 --> 00:23:05,000 Reagan's like countering by sending all these allegations. Right. Which ultimately to your point he defeated Carter in the November elections and Carter lost. Yeah. So I mean but it goes to your point where a lot of 173 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:22,000 these are very convoluted issues. It goes to your point like it's even hard to describe this stuff. But they put it right at the end because it tugs on your psychological feelings. You feel a certain way about it. But even though you don't fully understand it and that will sway your vote. 174 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:33,000 Right. I love that you pointed that out because we're going to be talking about fast and slow thinking and how campaigns like pull at that psychologically. 175 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:48,000 And this is a great example because they'll release this news that people don't fully understand. But you're the but the opponent will just say yeah the email fraud of 2016 release the emails and everyone's like yeah release the 176 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:57,000 emails and you're like what fucking emails. Why are we so upset about these emails. But all of a sudden there. Yeah. 177 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:15,000 And then they just play off that. Yes. Okay. Let me let me collect my thoughts read my notes before I say the next action. Good God. You're getting excited about politics. Caitlin I'm excited for you. I'm excited for you. 178 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:33,000 So after the release of the hostages on January 20 1981 minutes after Reagan's inauguration some charge that the Reagan campaign had made a secret deal with the Iranian government whereby the Iranians would hold the hostages until after Reagan was elected 179 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:43,000 and inaugurated. So at which might have some likes because they were released literally minutes after he was inaugurated. 180 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:58,000 And that's the big conspiracy. Yeah. All right. That feels like a good conspiracy. That that shit happens a lot. Nixon did that with the Vietnam War. Like as Lyndon B Johnson was like trying to get rid of it. Nixon like came into the team and was like 181 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:09,000 no keep it going like just basically through that aside so then Lyndon wouldn't have that to run. Yeah his own stuff like that is. 182 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:19,000 Yeah. That just makes me sick. So in 1998 days before that we're moving on to a different scandal by the way. Keep up. 183 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:44,000 In 1998 days before the November 7th election. Thomas Connolly of Scarborough Maine a prominent defense attorney confirmed to reporters that Republican presidential candidate George W Bush had been arrested for drunk driving in the state in 1976 184 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:51,000 and confirmed the report in a press conference moment at moments after it was revealed. 185 00:25:51,000 --> 00:26:08,000 On October 2nd 2003 we're getting into the ops. The Los Angeles Times released a story about Arnold Schwarzenegger and subsequent allegations that he was a womanizer guilty of multiple acts of sexual misconduct in past decades, 186 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:16,000 which as we know just American the American public is just not phased by. Don't give a fuck I guess. 187 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:26,000 At this point. I mean if it's been going on since 1884 that these allegations like we gotta be numb to it as a society by now right. 188 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:43,000 It wasn't the only embarrassing story about Schwarzenegger to surface just days before the campaign. The next day ABC News and New York Times reported that in 1975 Schwarzenegger had praised Adolf Hitler during interviews for his film pumping iron. 189 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:57,000 The twin controversies is what they deemed it later led to LA Times column LA Times columnist Steve Lopez to coin the term Gropin for her. 190 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Gropin for her. 191 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:20,000 I know it was pretty good. So just to break that down obviously to grope so and then he played off a grouping for her for can you say it you said a better than I did for her grouping for her. 192 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:36,000 Sure. So he called Arnold Schwarzenegger Gropin for her instead of and that was just a play off a grouping for her which is was an early paramilitary rank of the Nazi Party so we love a good pun. 193 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:51,000 They used to call Hitler the fear right so it's like Gropin fear right like it's okay very well played very well played. I did not know he praised Adolf Hitler. 194 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Allegedly. 195 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Yeah that's exactly right like it even got me that one. 196 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000 I was like. 197 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,000 Yep don't like that. 198 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,000 All right. On October 29. 199 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:21,000 The Arabic news agency Al Jazeera aired a video of Osama bin Laden sorry we are moving into 2000. Yeah 2003 still. 200 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000 Yeah. 201 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:33,000 The Arabic news agency Al Jazeera aired a video of Osama bin Laden in a speech that justified and took responsibility for the actions of September 11. 202 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:39,000 Bin Laden called out the Bush administration and the American position in the Israeli Palestinian conflict. 203 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:49,000 Quote your security does not lie in the hands of Kerry Bush or Al Qaeda bin Laden claimed quote your security is in your own hands. 204 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:58,000 And it is believed to have helped President Bush's campaign as it thrust the war on terror back into the public eye. 205 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:07,000 And people don't know if that was bin Laden's intention or not. 206 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,000 But that was the effect of it. 207 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,000 Yeah. 208 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:19,000 And it's been claimed that Saudi Prince cut. 209 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:27,000 I'm not going to print. OK I will pronounce his name Prince Bandar bin Sultan al-Saud. 210 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000 Cut the price of. 211 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,000 Thank you. 212 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:40,000 Cut the price of oil to help ensure a Bush victory according to a 60 minute broadcast Prince Bendar enjoys easy access to the Oval Office. 213 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:53,000 And the British family are close and Woodward told us that Bandar has promised the president that Saudi Arabia Arabia will lower oil prices in the months before the election to ensure the U.S. economy is strong on election day. 214 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,000 I.E. to make sure we're strong to go into war. 215 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,000 Yeah. 216 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:08,000 Isn't that interesting because obviously the oil prices are definitely a topic of conversation right now with the Biden administration. 217 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:14,000 I mean guesses as to like what's going to happen in 2024 with oil. 218 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,000 Are we going to see a decrease. 219 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000 Based off of what we just saw. 220 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000 Great question. 221 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000 Yeah. 222 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:32,000 It's probably not one that either you or I can speculate or even answer without giving totally false information because we are not. 223 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,000 Yeah. 224 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000 We are marketers. 225 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000 Yeah. 226 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:46,000 But all I would say to that is I think the landscape is a little different now because you know with Obama we're now utilizing our own oil production a lot more. 227 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:52,000 So like we're able to tap into our reserves to keep the price semi reasonable. 228 00:30:52,000 --> 00:31:02,000 You know I think that was the big issue now is like the gas prices at the pumps kept going up because Shell and BP were recording record profits. 229 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,000 Even though we were still producing a lot of our own oil. 230 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,000 Yeah. 231 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,000 It's called Gauge. 232 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,000 There's a little collaboration. 233 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,000 Yeah. 234 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:15,000 If there's a little collaboration between the gas companies there's not much we can do about that. 235 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:22,000 So but it does like the price at the pump seems to be an indicator for a lot of people decision making in their election. 236 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,000 Right. 237 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,000 Like who's the politician. 238 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:29,000 I'm taking the price at the pump as a like key component to that. 239 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,000 You said it. 240 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000 Isn't that fascinating. 241 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,000 You. 242 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,000 Yes. 243 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,000 I think that's exactly right. 244 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,000 Why are gas prices. 245 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:47,000 The one thing that just the general American population gets so up in arms about and both Democrats and Republicans can come together and fight gas prices. 246 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:54,000 Like why is that the one thing that we choose to hang all of our opinions on. 247 00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:09,000 It's got to be something like it's easily like everybody theoretically like I don't own a car so I don't go I don't keep track of the gas prices but like like everybody kind of utilizes it and it's not something that you want. 248 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:17,000 It's something that you like have to have to drive to work to go like it's it's like something that so everybody can wrap their minds around that price. 249 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:23,000 And the other thing is like a gallon of milk right like everybody's like what's the price of a gallon of milk because it's so expensive. 250 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:29,000 It's like a gallon of milk because it's so common people can wrap their minds around it and they feel like it affects them personally. 251 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,000 Yeah. 252 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,000 I buy milk. 253 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,000 I buy gas. 254 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,000 Totally. 255 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,000 It's going to be more expensive. 256 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,000 You know like. 257 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,000 It is the one thing that we. 258 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:52,000 I think it's a luxury having a car that we don't want to give up and everyone from poverty to billionaires shared this common household thing. 259 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000 Is owning a car. 260 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,000 Yeah. 261 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,000 Yeah. 262 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:02,000 And it's a luxury that we don't are not willing to give up but we need gas. 263 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,000 In order to literally fuel it. 264 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,000 So maybe that's why. 265 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,000 Yeah. 266 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,000 I don't know. 267 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:17,000 I my thoughts trailed off but I just echo what you were saying. 268 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,000 Yeah it's like a common rallying cry. 269 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,000 Yeah. 270 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:30,000 I think about it when the gas prices were up and there was all these memes of like Joe Biden pointing at the like the stickers you know that they'd slap on there where he's like I did that. 271 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,000 You know and it's pointing at the price of gas like it's just so weird that it's tied to our political. 272 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:45,000 When in actuality it's like it's OPEC and these shell and BP and all these gas companies that determine the price like there's. 273 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,000 Limited capacity what the leadership and politicians can do. 274 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,000 I don't know. 275 00:33:51,000 --> 00:34:01,000 Normally I would agree with you but we just witnessed that the Saudi prince lowered gas prices to support Bush. 276 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:09,000 So there could be more of a political sway on gas prices than we think. 277 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,000 Yeah. 278 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,000 Good point. 279 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Good point. 280 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:19,000 Righty oh where are we in my in my historical trip down. 281 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,000 You brought us from 1828 all the way to 2003. 282 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,000 I hope you all have enjoyed the ride. 283 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,000 Yeah it's been great. 284 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Okay. 285 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:43,000 So now we're in 2008 this is where I really become invested because this was I think it was the first year that I could vote actually in a presidential election. 286 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,000 Was it 2008 or was it 2004. 287 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,000 I think it was 2004. 288 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,000 No it would be 2008 for you. 289 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,000 I think it would be. 290 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000 Oh yeah yeah yeah you're right you're right that was like literally. 291 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,000 Yeah yeah yeah. 292 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,000 It was like one year after I graduated high school yeah. 293 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,000 Yeah yep. 294 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,000 So in 2008 four days before the 2008 presidential election. 295 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,000 The AP press reported that a half aunt. 296 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:18,000 And then a Democratic candidate Barack Obama was living as an illegal immigrant in Boston. She had been denied asylum and ordered to leave the United States in 2004. 297 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,000 Great. 298 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000 Then we move on to 2012 Obama versus Romney. 299 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,000 Jesus. 300 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,000 Hurricane Sandy was labeled as that October surprise by some. 301 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,000 And then the Ebola virus epidemic was considered as an October surprise by some. 302 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,000 And then October surprise was labeled as an October surprise. 303 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,000 And then October surprise was labeled as October surprise. 304 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,000 So I think that's what we're going to do. 305 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:50,000 I feel like this might have been like a slow month in the press. 306 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,000 Because these were both kind of natural disasters. 307 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000 To some degree. 308 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000 But yet those were labeled as the October surprise. 309 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000 But they're being leveraged exactly. 310 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,000 Exactly. 311 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,000 Yeah yeah. 312 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:07,000 And then you can spin architect but you can spin right like and that's pure marketing. 313 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,000 Right there. 314 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000 Um. 315 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,000 All right on October 7. 316 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,000 And now we're getting into the 2016 elections right the best. 317 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000 October surprises. 318 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:31,000 On October 7 the recording from 2005 was released in which Republican Party nominee Donald Trump using explicit language. 319 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,000 And then he was named. 320 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,000 I'm not even going to say all of this we know we know what this tape was about right. 321 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,000 It's like when you're a star they let you do it. 322 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,000 You can do anything you want to women yada yada yada. 323 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:49,000 And then so several politicians from both major parties expressed their disapproval over these remarks. 324 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:59,000 Trump who had been accused of sexism on several occasions before later apologized for these remarks which I do not remember him ever apologizing. 325 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:07,000 I don't know if I'm going to reflect who I am which I feel like those words were not said by Trump. 326 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,000 Yeah. 327 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000 Do you have a call. 328 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:28,000 Yeah he went on Fox News to do it so my it was it was the classic gambit at the beginning of Trump's like rain where like there was two trumps right one where he was going off the cuff and just like talking naturally and the other one where he would just sit and read what somebody else had written for him and just like do it with no 329 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:44,000 like clearly not meaning it just like saying the words out loud and that was one of those times where it was like clearly somebody had written this apology for him and he just sat there with no energy and just read it because he was supposed to do it. 330 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,000 Gotcha. 331 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:51,000 We're supposed to be centrist on this but it's hard for me to feel centrist about that moment in our political history. 332 00:37:51,000 --> 00:38:02,000 I just thought of another Obama October surprise I don't know if this was October so maybe this is why I didn't find it in my research but do you remember the Obama scandal. 333 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,000 Do you know which one I'm thinking of that was not previously mentioned. 334 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000 The one with his pastor. 335 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,000 Yeah. 336 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,000 Oh no I thought you were going to say passport is birth certificate but the birth certificate. 337 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,000 Yeah that was the other one. 338 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:25,000 I thought of that when you mentioned Warren G. Harding having African descent I was like it was just kind of like shifted a little bit for Obama and being like yeah he's he wears his birth certificate. 339 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,000 Where's the law for birth certificate. 340 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,000 Yeah like it's not much different right. 341 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:37,000 Yeah maybe they didn't include that because it wasn't in October it was just you know maybe a June surprise. 342 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,000 Yeah just a relentless surprise. 343 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,000 Crazy. 344 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000 So back to Trump. 345 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:55,000 The remarks led to many Republicans withdrawing their endorsement from Trump many others who had not previously endorsed him asked him to step aside as the Republican nominee. 346 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,000 The same day Zach the same day. 347 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:14,000 This is when we get into the email scandal wiki leaks began a two month campaign of releasing emails and excerpts from the account of John Podesta which who was the chief of staff under Clinton. 348 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000 And they would later become known as the Podesta leaks. 349 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:30,000 They shed a negative light on Democratic Party nominee Hillary Clinton and included recordings of excerpts of speeches given by Clinton to a variety of banks. 350 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,000 A debate question being leaked. 351 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,000 Sorry sorry sorry sorry I put the inflection in the right wrong place. 352 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,000 A debate question. 353 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,000 Being leaked to Clinton prior to the debate. 354 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,000 The first one was recorded. 355 00:39:47,000 --> 00:40:03,000 A stance on trade deals different from those purported by Clinton during her campaign, along with her beliefs that it is beneficial to hold both public and private beliefs so these were kind of the initial purge of emails that were released to the public. 356 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,000 Do you have anything to say about the email scandal I mean I go on to talk a little bit more about it. 357 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,000 Yeah I was going to say I'll let you finish because like I yeah it's. 358 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:29,000 I was going to say it's funny because this is one of those scenarios where this was truly an October surprise right before the election and I was like, actually what is the big deal about these emails like cool she had a private email address 359 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:40,000 what the fuck like what is like had no clue what it was about and everyone was like release the emails and nobody actually knew what you were asking to release. 360 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:47,000 So I actually spent a couple, couple minutes, couple minutes of research. 361 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,000 Figuring out what these emails were about. 362 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,000 But what were you going to say. 363 00:40:52,000 --> 00:41:02,000 Well I was going to say I think it the point that you've made so far we're going to get into the emails a little bit but the point that is that wiki leaks started this on the same day. 364 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:31,000 So now it's evolved to this October surprise has proven very powerful in elections moving forward and we'll talk about why in the next episode but it's now a battle of the October surprises it's evolved to where like Democrats had that tape they had that that bus tape for months right like they didn't get it and release it they held on to that thing until it was the right time to release it. 365 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:47,000 To release it to the press right right before the election and then Trump's campaign I mean in coordination with Russian wiki leaks blah blah blah we all know that but can I just pause and say that was also the same day. 366 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,000 Yeah. 367 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:58,000 So now it's like it's like the sex scandal like they both email scandal and Trump is colluding with the Russians to sway our vote on social media. 368 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,000 It's same day like what are we supposed to do with all that information it's too much. 369 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:18,000 So obviously we pick one that we really want to latch on to mine was personally like Trump is a predator and that's the one I hung on to yours was probably Russian collusion. 370 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:28,000 The Russia. Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. I was I was like this is fucking nuts that Russia is is successfully influencing. 371 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:44,000 That's the thing that's why I never fully bought into that because I was like is this actually true like we can't just come out and say yes we're colluding there he's colluding with Russia and then call it a day I was like this is all speculation to a degree. 372 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,000 At the time it was. 373 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,000 At the time. 374 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:52,000 At the time it was I think a lot has come out since then that kind of verifies that. 375 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,000 You said his campaign. 376 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:06,000 It does verify it like the Mueller report as much as it wasn't like an indictment of Trump definitely said I mean Paul Manafort his campaign manager went to jail. 377 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:15,000 He's currently still in jail for selling information to the Russians through like sharing polling data with the Russians like it was definitely it definitely happened. 378 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:33,000 Maybe not to the degree that the Democrats were saying it happened right and at the end of the day I would argue as well like we made our own decisions in the votes like Russia wasn't there like changing ballot boxes right like it was an influence campaign not a campaign to switch votes right but. 379 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,000 I mean it wasn't literally fraud. 380 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:50,000 Yeah, no but the influence that social media has over people is is fraud in itself. 381 00:43:50,000 --> 00:44:06,000 Yeah, I think if you utilize it claiming it to be somebody else or you know if you claim to be a heart of Texas Facebook page believing in Texas succession but you're actually some Russian dude in Moscow posting this stuff. 382 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,000 Yeah, that's that's pretty close to fraud I would say in the modern age. 383 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:26,000 Yes, it wasn't 1840 when the Whig parties were paying Pennsylvanians to crossover state lines to New York and actually submit votes, but Facebook is the equivalent there we made our stand. 384 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,000 Yes, yes, I agree. 385 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:40,000 Man, rehashing this is like old wounds. So, I'm being centrist Caitlin I'm being centrist. Are you. Okay, we'll give it to you back to the center. 386 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:55,000 So I did say wiki leaks release the emails also on the same day US intelligence agency publicly accused the Russian government of using computer hacking to interfere with the election process act just made mention of that. 387 00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:12,000 Three weeks later on October 28 getting dangerously close to elections. The FBI director James commie, commie announced in the letter to Congress that he would take appropriate investigative steps to review additional emails related to Hillary Clinton's use of a private 388 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:28,000 email server. This was announced after newly discovered emails were found on a computer that was seized by the FBI during an investigation of former congressman Anthony Weiner, who had been accused of sending explicit pictures to a minor. 389 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:45,000 I've heard that name Anthony Weiner before but I actually didn't dig too much into this at the time. I dug into it now. Do you know about Anthony Weiner. Did you. Oh yeah. Did you find his username. Did you did you know I didn't send that much time. 390 00:45:45,000 --> 00:46:01,000 What is part of this whole weeners for weeners. Carlos danger. No Carlos danger was Carlos danger. Carlos danger. Carlos danger. 391 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:16,000 Send it send it dick pics to a cross Facebook and email like my god. Did he think he was hiding from something or was he like very aware that everybody knew this was him. 392 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:33,000 Like was this a disguise was Carlos danger of disguise. It was. It was an alias but like people that he was interacting with knew it was him like he would he would oftentimes make these relationships with women off of them like reaching out to his 393 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:42,000 Facebook page being like I love you for Congress I love like what you're doing and then he would like make that interaction initially. 394 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:59,000 So, in September 2016 claims were published that weiner had engaged in sexting with a 15 year old girl. This was not the first time that he had been accused of something like this this was just kind of the cap. 395 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:12,000 And devices owned by weiner were seized as a part of the investigation into this incident so yes weiner had been accused like literally hundreds of other times. 396 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,000 At this point he wasn't even a part he wasn't even a part of the political system anymore. 397 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:32,000 And this was the incident that led to his computers being seized which led to the email catastrophe of 2016. The report prompted a criminal investigation and weiner's laptop was seized emails that were pertinent to the Hillary Clinton email 398 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:45,000 controversy were discovered on the laptop. This prompted FBI director James come, comey to reopen that investigation 11 days before the 2016 US presidential election. 399 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:55,000 And later, Hillary Clinton responded to the decision of the director by calling on the FBI to be fully transparent and to release full and complete facts on what the emails contained. 400 00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:09,000 So she was like, yeah, go ahead, really simple, don't care. On October 30, it was reported that 650,000 emails on weiner's computer were to be investigated potentially being relevant to this particular and other cases. 401 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:23,000 And the reason that this sole decision, right 11 days into the 11 days prior to the election was the reason that she lost the election to Donald Trump which being apart playing. 402 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:38,000 What do you think what I was going to say I don't disagree with her. I don't disagree with her. You don't disagree with her. I disagree with just the amount of attention that was put on emails, which led to women hating. 403 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:44,000 Right, like people now had an excuse to hate Hillary Clinton. 404 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:54,000 Even though they weren't totally sure of what these emails were about it was just like cool now I have some legs to hate her and I'm going to come out right and say it. 405 00:48:54,000 --> 00:49:12,000 Release the emails. Yeah, I think there's a lot of facets but I do want to add a clarifying question or clarifying point is the reason Anthony Weiner had emails from Hillary Clinton on his computer was because he was married to whom a Abadid who was Hillary Clinton's like 406 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:26,000 chief of staff chief advisor. So it's like he it was one degree of separation between him and Hillary so that's why he had a bunch of Hillary's emails because he was emailing with whom Abadid all his wife, all the time right. 407 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:39,000 So, thanks for adding that I think I think I think I think I think it had a major play in 2016. I think yes, it was an easy rallying cry for women hating saying release the emails. 408 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:48,000 Most of those people could not tell you what the fuck a server is and what it does but they were like she's got a private email server. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 409 00:49:48,000 --> 00:50:06,000 So, let me let me get in. Let me get into that. Let me get into this private server. So, Clinton and her circle of friends so this is kind of just like a side note to everybody who didn't fully wasn't fully involved in the email scandal of 2016 but 410 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:19,000 it started because Clinton and her circle of friends and colleagues communicated via blackberry phones. The email account used on Clinton's blackberry was then hosted on a private server in the basement of her home in New York. 411 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:32,000 I do want to say that this her using a private email is not rare, like a lot of politicians actually do this. Not really a lot of politicians host a private server in her home. 412 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:52,000 The article that I read like I don't know if they were trying to portray Clinton as kind of like a didn't really know what she was doing with technology. Like that was literally how she was framed was, hey, I don't want to be a part of the dot state dot 413 00:50:52,000 --> 00:51:06,000 gov email system because it's so much easier to just be hosted on my own. And I don't want to use computers I want to use blackberries, because it's just easier for me like that is how she was framed in this article that I was reading and I don't know if that is true. 414 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:14,000 But to me I was kind of like, Oh, she was just a ditch. Let her go. 415 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:32,000 She's just she's a boomer like that doesn't understand technology like maybe that is why I was like, Oh, this totally makes sense is because we deal with so many boomers as clients that were like, Yes, she didn't know how to open a PDF totally get it like yeah this totally tracks this 416 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,000 tracks. 417 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:57,000 Yeah, she was warned by the State Department security personnel about the vulnerability of an unsecured blackberry to hacking. And she affirmed her knowledge was like yep I totally get it but don't know what I'm going to do about it sorry it's just easier for me to use this blackberry. 418 00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:14,000 So then there were domains purchased, and they were pointed to a private email server that Clinton had in her home in her basement, which also is kind of like, you really had to point out that I was in her basement like really making it look like an underground 419 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:25,000 hacking system like a whole underground system that Hillary Clinton, this 65 year old boomer was operating like the chances of that. 420 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:39,000 She enters her secret layer of tech in her basement like there's a hidden bookcase and then it's just like totally secret tech layer. Yeah, that's the picture that was painted for me. 421 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:59,000 So the domains were used to send and receive emails. The server itself runs on Microsoft Exchange with emails over the internet being delivered to an outlook web app. The web page is did I copy the domains. 422 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:10,000 I know one of the domains was literally like Clinton email.com. Another domain was Clinton presidency.com so all of these servers were hosting. 423 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:21,000 Sorry, all of these URLs were pointing to her private server in her basement. 424 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:35,000 So the web pages were secured by a TLS certificate which means that it is a secured URL. However, for the first two months of owning those URLs the pages were not secured. 425 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:52,000 For me again, just dealing with boomers. I'm like, yeah, that tracks. Like it's 2009. You buy a URL from godaddy.com and you're off to the races. 426 00:53:52,000 --> 00:54:10,000 So anyways, that's kind of my like little background. I didn't want to get too into the email debacle but I did want people to know like where this all came from was because of she had a private server and was not using a dot state dot dot state dot gov email address. 427 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:25,000 Oh, I also wanted to point out. So it also came through the press that she deleted 30,000 emails. Well, in this article that I was reading actually those 30,000 emails that were deleted. 428 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,000 Okay, let me try to articulate this. 429 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:46,000 I think it was her chief. I think it was her chief of staff who originally reached out to their host, the server's host, and was like, hey, we don't need basically you have to pay for storage. 430 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:59,000 And the chief of staff was like, hey, we actually were tapped out on storage. We don't need this much. Can you delete everything from whatever they like she gave a certain date. 431 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:25,000 They were supposed this was months before the email conspiracy came to the public months. And she was like, can you delete this while allegedly the server the host provider did not delete them until it came into the public side and then they were deleted so it looked like oh my God Hillary Clinton had 30,000 emails deleted. 432 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:41,000 Okay, I'm out of breath. Yeah, take a breath because I think to bring it back it is it is this is I think again you've proven the point that this is a very nuanced convoluted issue. 433 00:55:41,000 --> 00:56:01,000 And this is where this is why I feel so passionate about how we're framing season three is like that entire issue with servers hosting timing was boiled down to find her emails, and it was boiled even down to one word emails, right, Hillary emails, 434 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:14,000 and that entire complex issue is boiled down to two words that just elicit a feeling. It's still does for me today, like it on both ends it's like, oh, it's either the feeling of like, 435 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:34,000 Exhaust emails or it's like, find her emails, they're able to take these very, very convoluted issues and just bring them down to two words just to make you have a feeling about it, and then vote a certain way, because that's what when we step into the voting booth, it is based on feeling 436 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:51,000 when I did it in this, you know, I did research on the candidates for the midterm elections. But at the end of the day, like, I have a feeling about Republicans, this is a centrist politics, I think if you listen to the other side like, or our other podcasts, we're pretty clear that what side we stand on, 437 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:59,000 but I have a feeling about them, and it's I there is going to be a long battle uphill for me to vote that side, right. 438 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:10,000 And so down to is one person in a booth in their feelings. I have a couple other October surprises before I want to get into the midterm that we just went through. 439 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:21,000 So putting Hillary aside in 2018, the October surprise from Trump was a caravan of migrants from Central America. 440 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:35,000 Yeah. And he tweeted information about the caravan and later released a Republican television advertisement that was widely criticized as completely racist. 441 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:40,000 And it was actually taken down by all these major news outlets, even Fox. 442 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:58,000 And it was basically meant to stoke fear, right, like the migrants are taking away our job, our jobs, people in 2020, 2020 October surprise, started off with the New York Times publishing an investigation into then President Trump's 443 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:10,000 taxes, which reported that the president only paid a mere $750 in taxes, which President Trump please tell me how you do that. I have been looking for loopholes for the past years. 444 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:20,000 The article went on to state that the president was currently over $400 million in debt, and even Forbes then went on to publish an article stating that that wasn't even true. 445 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:25,000 He's more like $1 billion in debt. 446 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:38,000 People moving on October 14, the New York Post related to emails found on an external hard drive of a laptop computer. 447 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:44,000 Sorry, I said that weird too. It's like I didn't read my notes. 448 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:50,000 It's like I came up with this 15 minutes before we went live. 449 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:56,000 It's like it's almost like that, but it's not. It seems like it but no, no, definitely not. 450 00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:04,000 It's the it's the December surprise on October 14 and article. So do you know what I'm talking about by these external hard drive? Who is it? 451 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:09,000 Yeah, Hunter Biden. Yeah, yeah, you are more informed than I gave you credit for. 452 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,000 Thank you. 453 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:22,000 But if you just read that like how crazy to make a big deal about this emails found on an external hard drive of a laptop. 454 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,000 Wow. 455 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,000 That's the big scandal really guys. 456 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:44,000 They're pulling from that same well like it worked in 2016. You can see how it's tactics like you can just say emails and whoever you're going against and Trump and the Republican party were like run it back. 457 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:52,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but a good marketing campaign only works once. 458 00:59:52,000 --> 01:00:02,000 So emails will be permanently associated with Clinton and you can't take that away from her. Don't take that away from her. Hunter Biden. 459 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:13,000 Relax hunter. But yeah, no, you're right though, right? Like you can't run it back. You can't run like actually when I think of the scandal of Hunter Biden, it's drugs. 460 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:21,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's like it's like that's been out in the open, right? Like you know nothing to do with the scandal of the Biden. 461 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:29,000 It did not have the same like it did not resonate and it's a good try. 462 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:41,000 Okay, so now we get into midterms of this year. Do you, can you can you think of a couple of quote October surprises? 463 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,000 Yes, I can think of one is Herschel Walker. 464 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,000 Yes, sir. 465 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,000 Yes, sir. 466 01:00:49,000 --> 01:01:00,000 Yep. Again, just to bring it back to the center, Democrats had that information for a year, right? Like they had it for a long time. 467 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,000 And when do they decide to drop it to the press? 468 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:17,000 Right before the elections, right? Right before the elections. I think that is just it's a tactic. It's it's I'm just trying to get a point that these these October surprises are a marketing tactic. 469 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:22,000 Like it is nothing more than a marketing tactic that people utilize. 470 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,000 Okay, Herschel Walker was another one. 471 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:33,000 Dr. Oz killing all those nails. You nailed it. Those were the two I thought of too. 472 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,000 Yeah, yeah. 473 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:44,000 That was the best ones that because for me, obviously that came across my plate and I was like, Dr. Oz is running for governor or whatever the fuck Senate. 474 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,000 He's running for Senate. 475 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:55,000 So then I got into looking. I was like, Oh, yeah, he's a puppy killer. What the fuck worked on me. It worked on me. 476 01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:02,000 If I was voting in Pennsylvania, I would have gone Federman. 477 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:09,000 Yeah. And I think what why it works so well, why they keep going back to this well is like Federman one, right? 478 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:15,000 And my man's a great guy but had a stroke while he was campaigning. 479 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:21,000 And like so Oz lost to a man whose health is is is not in the best place. 480 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:25,000 Well, not only that, but a Pennsylvania was Republican. 481 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,000 Yep. 482 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,000 B Federman is married to an immigrant. 483 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,000 So yeah. 484 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,000 Yeah. 485 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:39,000 And she is awesome. She fires. 486 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,000 She's feisty and I love her. 487 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:51,000 But anyways, yeah, so all of these things were working against Federman, but you released the fact Dr. Oz kills puppies and there's no coming back from that. 488 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,000 Yep. 489 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:56,000 And we'll talk about why that works. I have a one ready for that too. 490 01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,000 Like, I don't even. 491 01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,000 Is there psychology behind that? 492 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,000 Everyone loves a puppy. 493 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,000 Don't kill dogs. 494 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,000 Yes, there is psychology behind that. 495 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:22,000 So that's all I got for you. We took an hour probably because I spent half an hour stumbling over my notes, but I hope people took away what I was intending for people to take away is that October surprises our marketing tactics and be weary of what we hear in October. 496 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:33,000 Don't get don't use your fast thinking brain to latch on to an email scandal when you don't know what the actual email scandal is about. 497 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,000 Could not agree more, could not agree more. 498 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,000 And I don't think he stumbled at all come out in the editing. 499 01:03:39,000 --> 01:04:00,000 So in our next episode, Caitlin referenced it fast and slow thinking. This is our psychological trait and that we all do that the October surprise preys upon our ability to make fast quick decisions and then our ability to slowly think and process information. 500 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:11,000 And it is praying on our fast thinking quick decision brains because there's not a lot of time between these October surprises and the early November election. 501 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,000 So next time we'll go through that and kind of break down. 502 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,000 Caitlin, that was fascinating. 503 01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:38,000 And any no lingering thoughts tuned into our Facebook group, we're going to be posting any kind of campaign taglines or any behind the scenes advertisement that we find throughout the next couple of episodes. 504 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:49,000 So yeah, as always, follow us on Facebook at manipulating the podcast. No manipulating the masses. What is our Facebook group. 505 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:56,000 Who cares about Facebook, you know, manipulating manipulating the masses podcast. 506 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,000 There we go. 507 01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:15,000 What I will plug that we're excited about is if you've been listening if this is your first time, please check out YouTube. Caitlin and I will be dropping our episodes on YouTube so you can watch us interact with each other and not just hear Caitlin sultry voice in her new microphone. 508 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:21,000 You'll be actually able to see us. 509 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,000 Get some ASMR ones in there. 510 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:32,000 So please get an ASMR channel to be determined. 511 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:43,000 So yeah, please give us a give us a follow. Check us out on YouTube. Check us out on Facebook. Check us out on Instagram at big millenphillips.agency will be posting little clips of the podcast. 512 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:48,000 And you can see what we're up to in our side business of actually running a marketing agency. 513 01:05:48,000 --> 01:06:02,000 And that's a fun little addition as well. So Caitlin, wonderful job. I am bracing. I know it's only December now when we're recording this but I am bracing for next October because there will be a surprise. 514 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,000 Yeah, the way. 515 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,000 Yeah, buckle up. 516 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,000 Yeah, next week we'll be talking fast and slow thinking. 517 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:08,000 Bye. 518 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:18,000 Bye bye.