1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,600 Hello. Hello. Welcome back to another episode of diagnosing a killer. I'm Koelle and I'm Kenna. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,600 I said that all the way. 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,600 I said Kana. I'm pretty sure you've done that one before. 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:36,000 For fucking sure. 5 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,500 Oh, how's it going? 6 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:39,500 It's going. 7 00:00:39,500 --> 00:00:41,500 I like being in here two days in a row. 8 00:00:41,500 --> 00:00:43,500 I think I did too. 9 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:48,500 Yeah, we did a DAK live recording yesterday that's going to be coming out on Saturday. 10 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:52,500 And we did that with Hillary from Lady You're Scared Us. 11 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:57,500 And we're really excited about it because we did our very first ever collaboration, 12 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:00,500 like where someone else is on the podcast, but they weren't in the same room as us. 13 00:01:00,500 --> 00:01:04,500 It was over discord and the audio sounds so good. 14 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:10,500 We were so concerned that it was going to sound like echoey or laggy or something. 15 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:12,500 Or just different. 16 00:01:12,500 --> 00:01:14,500 And it sounds like she's sitting right next to us. 17 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:16,500 It's perfect. 18 00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:18,500 I'm so excited. It does sound really good. 19 00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:20,500 We like to pride ourselves on our sound quality. 20 00:01:20,500 --> 00:01:24,500 That's something that we've been obsessed with since day one, even to the point where like, 21 00:01:24,500 --> 00:01:28,500 now I feel like I'm like hitting things and I can hear things in the background. 22 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:31,500 And I'm like, oh my God, I wish I hadn't done that. 23 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:33,500 But we're getting better. 24 00:01:33,500 --> 00:01:34,500 We're not perfect. 25 00:01:34,500 --> 00:01:35,500 We're not perfect. 26 00:01:35,500 --> 00:01:36,500 No one's perfect. 27 00:01:36,500 --> 00:01:37,500 Except that sound quality. 28 00:01:37,500 --> 00:01:38,500 Yeah, that sound quality is pretty perfect. 29 00:01:38,500 --> 00:01:41,500 Sometimes we laugh at inappropriate times, but you know, who doesn't? 30 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:43,500 We're human. 31 00:01:43,500 --> 00:01:45,500 Anyway, it's your case. 32 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:46,500 It is my case. 33 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:50,500 But first I would like to remind everybody that we have diagnosingandkiller.com. 34 00:01:50,500 --> 00:01:53,500 There you can check out resources and merch. 35 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:57,500 You can also hit us up on any social media platform at diagnosingandkiller, 36 00:01:57,500 --> 00:02:01,500 other than Twitter, which is at Killer Diagnosis. 37 00:02:01,500 --> 00:02:04,500 And also, if you're interested in our podcast, 38 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:06,500 we have a great podcast review. 39 00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:07,500 Oh, review. 40 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:08,500 Oh, yeah, review. 41 00:02:08,500 --> 00:02:11,500 Oh, we did get a nice review from Jennifer. 42 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:14,500 Jennifer is one of the two people that I met at the Hooks game. 43 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:17,500 I told everyone on the podcast a couple episodes ago. 44 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:18,500 Super nice. 45 00:02:18,500 --> 00:02:22,500 And she posted a five star review for us on Apple podcast. 46 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:23,500 And I saw it today. 47 00:02:23,500 --> 00:02:25,500 It was a couple days ago that she posted it. 48 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:28,500 But her title is informative and entertaining. 49 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:30,500 Out of happenstance, 50 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:31,500 I'm now hooked. 51 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:33,500 I love the banter with her and her sister. 52 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:35,500 How the discussion will go from serious to laughing 53 00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:37,500 because someone mispronounced a word. 54 00:02:37,500 --> 00:02:39,500 It reminds me how my friends and I will rip each other. 55 00:02:39,500 --> 00:02:42,500 The podcast is very informative of the case, killer, and victim, 56 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:45,500 along with the deep dives of mental illness diagnoses. 57 00:02:45,500 --> 00:02:48,500 These ladies are funny and are very passionate about mental illness. 58 00:02:48,500 --> 00:02:51,500 I feel anyone would benefit from listening to this podcast, 59 00:02:51,500 --> 00:02:54,500 either to learn about the cases or to learn more about mental illness. 60 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:55,500 I'm looking forward to more episodes. 61 00:02:55,500 --> 00:02:56,500 Thanks, Jennifer. 62 00:02:56,500 --> 00:02:57,500 Thanks, girl. 63 00:02:57,500 --> 00:02:58,500 That was really nice. 64 00:02:58,500 --> 00:03:02,500 She was one that I said dead ass to in a serious situation. 65 00:03:02,500 --> 00:03:03,500 But thank you. 66 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:08,500 That was honestly really nice because we get a lot of really great reviews, 67 00:03:08,500 --> 00:03:13,500 but also a lot of mixed reviews about different types of episodes 68 00:03:13,500 --> 00:03:17,500 and different parts of the podcast that people really enjoy. 69 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:20,500 I like that she enjoys all aspects of it, 70 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:22,500 not only the mental illness, 71 00:03:22,500 --> 00:03:26,500 but the lighthearted nature when we are allowed to be lighthearted 72 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:29,500 and then also the educational aspect of it. 73 00:03:29,500 --> 00:03:30,500 Thanks for that. 74 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:33,500 It can definitely be tough talking about tough things like this 75 00:03:33,500 --> 00:03:37,500 and I think a little bit of humor kind of relieves a little bit of that tension. 76 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:38,500 Yeah, absolutely. 77 00:03:38,500 --> 00:03:41,500 There's plenty of times where I've laughed at an appropriate time 78 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:44,500 and it's not, most of the time, it's not me being like, 79 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:46,500 it's uncomfortable as fuck. 80 00:03:46,500 --> 00:03:49,500 And I'm not going to edit that out because it's a real reaction. 81 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:51,500 It is. It's a real reaction. It's a coping thing. 82 00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:52,500 Yeah, absolutely. 83 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:54,500 But if and when, I'll speak for myself, 84 00:03:54,500 --> 00:03:56,500 if and when I do laugh at an appropriate time, 85 00:03:56,500 --> 00:03:59,500 I like to always try to relate back to it at the end 86 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:04,500 and remind everyone that that is not a malicious thing that I do personally 87 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:06,500 or that we do together. 88 00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:08,500 But yeah, thanks so much for that nice review. 89 00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:09,500 Yeah. 90 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:10,500 I love that. 91 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:13,500 So excited to have three episodes in like three days. 92 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:14,500 Oh my gosh, yeah. 93 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:15,500 So we're going to have... 94 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:19,500 Yeah, well we're going to have Thursday, Saturday, and then Monday already coming out. 95 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:22,500 And I'm going out of town this weekend, surprise, surprise. 96 00:04:22,500 --> 00:04:24,500 I see that all the time. 97 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:25,500 Every weekend. 98 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:29,500 But me and my best friend Lindsay are going to the beach 99 00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:31,500 and we're going to spend time with mom and dad 100 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:33,500 and then mom and dad are leaving for Houston 101 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:36,500 because they're going to go to the Astros games for Father's Day 102 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:39,500 and Lindsay and I are going to hang out because we have Monday off work. 103 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:40,500 So we're going to hang out at the RV. 104 00:04:40,500 --> 00:04:41,500 Nice. 105 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:42,500 Yeah, really excited. 106 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:43,500 Are you ready? 107 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:44,500 Oh my gosh. 108 00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:46,500 Oh my gosh, I'm like so nervous right now. 109 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:49,500 I know you wanted to tell me so bad last night who it was and you didn't. 110 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:50,500 I'm glad I didn't. 111 00:04:50,500 --> 00:04:51,500 I'm glad I didn't. 112 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:53,500 I'm anxious to know who it is. 113 00:04:53,500 --> 00:04:54,500 Are you sure that I know this person? 114 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:55,500 Yes. 115 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:56,500 Like there's no way I don't? 116 00:04:56,500 --> 00:04:59,500 I don't know if you know the case in and out, but you know who it is. 117 00:04:59,500 --> 00:05:01,500 Everybody knows who this is. 118 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:03,500 Will it surprise you if I don't know who it is? 119 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:06,500 Yeah, especially because we've definitely talked about it before. 120 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:08,500 Okay, hit me. 121 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:12,500 Today we are going to talk about Paul, Michael, Stefani, 122 00:05:12,500 --> 00:05:15,500 aka the Weepy Voice Killer. 123 00:05:15,500 --> 00:05:18,500 Oh my gosh. 124 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:19,500 I know. 125 00:05:19,500 --> 00:05:22,500 I swear, I don't want to talk about this one. 126 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:25,500 I don't want to talk about it. 127 00:05:25,500 --> 00:05:26,500 Oh, okay. 128 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:29,500 Damn, that's honestly, okay, see that's one of those moments where I'm not making fun 129 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:30,500 of him. 130 00:05:30,500 --> 00:05:33,500 The voice just sounds comical, but that's really sad. 131 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:36,500 Like he's very clearly distraught in that moment. 132 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:39,500 And trust me, I had to listen to these recordings over and over and over and over again and 133 00:05:39,500 --> 00:05:40,500 they are haunting. 134 00:05:40,500 --> 00:05:41,500 Yeah, absolutely. 135 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:46,500 And sometimes the only way I can kind of get over it is, I mean, it's hard. 136 00:05:46,500 --> 00:05:48,500 It's to exaggerate it in my head. 137 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:49,500 Yeah, exactly. 138 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:54,500 Oh man, I am looking forward to hearing more about this one. 139 00:05:54,500 --> 00:05:56,500 I've heard a story on him before, but it's been a while. 140 00:05:56,500 --> 00:05:57,500 Yeah. 141 00:05:57,500 --> 00:05:58,500 Content Warning. 142 00:05:58,500 --> 00:06:02,500 This episode will contain audio recordings of someone in distress, threats of suicide, 143 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:04,500 and of course murder. 144 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:07,500 If this episode is not for you, we encourage you to check out another one of our episodes. 145 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:10,500 Remember that your mental health comes first and we love you. 146 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:11,500 Love you. 147 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:12,500 Bye. 148 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:18,500 Throughout this episode, we are going to be playing real 911 calls as well. 149 00:06:18,500 --> 00:06:21,500 If that does make you uncomfortable, I'm not really going to give a content warning right 150 00:06:21,500 --> 00:06:22,500 before it happens. 151 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:26,500 You'll kind of know when it happens because I'm going to be leading up to it. 152 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:30,500 Either way, if that makes you uncomfortable and you want to skip ahead 20 seconds, 30 153 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:34,500 seconds, I'm also going to be reading them transcribed as well. 154 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:37,500 So you're not going to miss any of that content. 155 00:06:37,500 --> 00:06:43,500 So Paul Michael Stefani was born September 8th to parents Isidore and Madeline. 156 00:06:43,500 --> 00:06:45,500 His father's name was Isidore. 157 00:06:45,500 --> 00:06:46,500 That's pretty cool. 158 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:47,500 That's such a unique name. 159 00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:49,500 I feel like that sounds like the name of a knight. 160 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:50,500 Isidore. 161 00:06:50,500 --> 00:06:51,500 Or like a... 162 00:06:51,500 --> 00:06:53,500 Sir Isidore. 163 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:54,500 Yeah. 164 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:55,500 Like a... 165 00:06:55,500 --> 00:06:56,500 Knight of the Red Table. 166 00:06:56,500 --> 00:06:57,500 Like an army dude. 167 00:06:57,500 --> 00:06:58,500 I don't know what it was. 168 00:06:58,500 --> 00:06:59,500 You know what I mean? 169 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:00,500 I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. 170 00:07:00,500 --> 00:07:01,500 I'm already fucking up the podcast. 171 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:02,500 Go ahead. 172 00:07:02,500 --> 00:07:06,500 He was born in 1944 to Isidore and Madeline. 173 00:07:06,500 --> 00:07:12,500 He was one of 10 eventual children and he was born and raised in Austin, Minnesota. 174 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:13,500 Not Texas. 175 00:07:13,500 --> 00:07:14,500 Oh, LOL. 176 00:07:14,500 --> 00:07:16,500 I didn't know they had an Austin there. 177 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:17,500 I didn't either. 178 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:23,500 Before Paul had his third birthday, his mother and father would divorce and quickly his mother, 179 00:07:23,500 --> 00:07:24,500 Madeline, would remarry. 180 00:07:24,500 --> 00:07:25,500 Oh, wow. 181 00:07:25,500 --> 00:07:27,500 So Paul's stepfather, Herbert Bliss. 182 00:07:27,500 --> 00:07:28,500 Hibbit. 183 00:07:28,500 --> 00:07:31,500 His last name is ironic, by the way. 184 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:32,500 LOL. 185 00:07:32,500 --> 00:07:36,500 His family was brought up in a traditionally Catholic household and Herbert Bliss was known 186 00:07:36,500 --> 00:07:41,500 to be a heavy drinker and would often times physically abuse the children and his wife, 187 00:07:41,500 --> 00:07:42,500 Madeline. 188 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:43,500 Super religious of him. 189 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:44,500 Yeah. 190 00:07:44,500 --> 00:07:47,500 Well, it's under the guise of religion because they should just be obedient, right? 191 00:07:47,500 --> 00:07:48,500 Yeah. 192 00:07:48,500 --> 00:07:52,900 It had been noted on several occasions that Herbert had actually tried to push some of his 193 00:07:52,900 --> 00:07:56,500 children down the stairs in their second story home. 194 00:07:56,500 --> 00:07:59,500 Oh my god, what a monster. 195 00:07:59,500 --> 00:08:03,500 Other than this, there's not much to say about Paul's behavior specifically while growing 196 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:04,500 up. 197 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:08,500 Other than the physical abuse by his stepfather, Paul got along with his mother and his siblings. 198 00:08:08,500 --> 00:08:11,500 He actually loved his mother a lot. 199 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:16,500 Paul did say that he had suffered from epileptic episodes when he was a child as well. 200 00:08:16,500 --> 00:08:18,500 So just something to note. 201 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:19,500 Yeah, absolutely. 202 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:23,500 But other than that, there apparently wasn't really anything in his early life to indicate 203 00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:26,500 that Paul would grow up to do what he eventually would do. 204 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:30,500 Yikes, well, you know, epileptic can mean a lot of different things. 205 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:34,780 It's kind of like an umbrella statement, but it's not far-fetched to think that they might 206 00:08:34,780 --> 00:08:39,060 have been seizures and not, you know, they kind of, I don't want to say they go hand 207 00:08:39,060 --> 00:08:43,900 in hand, but you see it a lot with epilepsy seizures as well are kind of common. 208 00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:47,500 So that right there could be an indicator of what's happening. 209 00:08:47,500 --> 00:08:51,580 Some type of brain trauma or something. 210 00:08:51,580 --> 00:08:54,500 He would eventually graduate from high school and college with fine grades. 211 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:56,780 Nothing to report there. 212 00:08:56,780 --> 00:09:02,580 He decided to move to St. Paul in 1970 and start a new life and quickly would meet and 213 00:09:02,580 --> 00:09:05,020 marry Beverly Linder. 214 00:09:05,020 --> 00:09:08,860 The two would have one daughter together, but after five years of marriage, they would 215 00:09:08,860 --> 00:09:11,340 eventually divorce. 216 00:09:11,340 --> 00:09:15,820 Although everything seemed to be pretty much normal up until this point in Paul's life, 217 00:09:15,820 --> 00:09:18,820 something within him snapped shortly after his wife and his daughter moved away from 218 00:09:18,820 --> 00:09:20,320 the house. 219 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,820 He had already had trouble finding work over the years as he claimed that his epilepsy 220 00:09:23,820 --> 00:09:27,940 was so severe that it affected his performance at jobs. 221 00:09:27,940 --> 00:09:28,940 This is Paul. 222 00:09:28,940 --> 00:09:29,940 Paul. 223 00:09:29,940 --> 00:09:34,780 And so I thought, what it sounded like to me at first was that he only had experiences 224 00:09:34,780 --> 00:09:38,180 with that as a kid, but obviously like sometimes you don't grow out of that. 225 00:09:38,180 --> 00:09:39,180 Sure. 226 00:09:39,180 --> 00:09:40,180 I don't think that you really do grow out of that. 227 00:09:40,180 --> 00:09:41,180 I don't think you do. 228 00:09:41,180 --> 00:09:42,820 I'm pretty sure it's for life. 229 00:09:42,820 --> 00:09:43,820 Okay. 230 00:09:43,820 --> 00:09:44,820 My bad. 231 00:09:44,820 --> 00:09:46,660 I misunderstood, I guess, in the beginning. 232 00:09:46,660 --> 00:09:52,540 He settled at working at a manufacturing company called Malberg Manufacturing, and this would 233 00:09:52,540 --> 00:09:55,300 be in the later years that he and Bever are still married. 234 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:56,980 And he seemed to be pretty successful at it. 235 00:09:56,980 --> 00:10:00,100 It was a long-term position for him. 236 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:04,700 Although the details are not entirely known, sometime after his wife had left him, Paul 237 00:10:04,700 --> 00:10:07,620 was actually arrested and convicted of assaulting a young woman. 238 00:10:07,620 --> 00:10:08,620 Oh. 239 00:10:08,620 --> 00:10:12,740 Again, it's not known how long the punishment was, or I guess she chose to remain anonymous. 240 00:10:12,740 --> 00:10:14,700 I don't know how they settled it. 241 00:10:14,700 --> 00:10:20,700 Either way, he would be put on a record, he would have it on a permanent record that he 242 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:22,180 was a violent criminal, essentially. 243 00:10:22,180 --> 00:10:24,140 Oh, okay. 244 00:10:24,140 --> 00:10:29,100 Paul would eventually meet a young Syrian lady whom he had developed a relationship with. 245 00:10:29,100 --> 00:10:33,420 He believed in the relationship so much that he decided that he wanted to marry the woman 246 00:10:33,420 --> 00:10:35,780 after dating on and off for four years. 247 00:10:35,780 --> 00:10:40,260 However, her family was very traditional and didn't really care for Paul, so they had 248 00:10:40,260 --> 00:10:44,020 actually arranged a marriage for her, and she was forced to break off the relationship 249 00:10:44,020 --> 00:10:45,820 with Paul and move back to Syria. 250 00:10:45,820 --> 00:10:46,820 Oh my gosh. 251 00:10:46,820 --> 00:10:47,820 Just like straight up. 252 00:10:47,820 --> 00:10:48,820 How hard would that be? 253 00:10:48,820 --> 00:10:49,820 Oh my gosh. 254 00:10:49,820 --> 00:10:51,820 That'd be really hard, especially if you didn't understand the culture. 255 00:10:51,820 --> 00:10:52,820 Yeah. 256 00:10:52,820 --> 00:10:59,620 That's got to be something that really affected him as well, like profound loss early on. 257 00:10:59,620 --> 00:11:03,740 Not early on, but it seems like one of his very, very serious relationships. 258 00:11:03,740 --> 00:11:04,740 Right. 259 00:11:04,740 --> 00:11:07,420 And the only other one that he had was with his wife and his daughter, and he doesn't 260 00:11:07,420 --> 00:11:10,060 talk to either of them at this point. 261 00:11:10,060 --> 00:11:14,500 Paul's performance at work began to decline due to depression and feeling abandoned by 262 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:15,900 two long-term partners. 263 00:11:15,900 --> 00:11:19,020 I'm hitting that chord. 264 00:11:19,020 --> 00:11:23,300 Paul would eventually be let go from his job as a manufacturing company as well. 265 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:24,300 Damn. 266 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:27,300 Paul was driven further into desperation and depression. 267 00:11:27,300 --> 00:11:28,300 Oh my gosh. 268 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:29,300 That's awful. 269 00:11:29,300 --> 00:11:34,580 In the early morning hours of New Year's Day 1981, dispatch would receive a phone call 270 00:11:34,580 --> 00:11:35,580 at 3 a.m. 271 00:11:35,580 --> 00:11:36,580 No. 272 00:11:36,580 --> 00:11:37,580 Yes, please. 273 00:11:37,580 --> 00:11:38,580 This is an emergency. 274 00:11:38,580 --> 00:11:39,580 Please send us quadrants. 275 00:11:39,580 --> 00:11:40,580 Just follow the road. 276 00:11:40,580 --> 00:11:49,380 Malmbeck Manufacturing Company Machineshop, please. 277 00:11:49,380 --> 00:11:51,580 There's an ambulance too. 278 00:11:51,580 --> 00:11:53,580 There's a girl who's there. 279 00:11:53,580 --> 00:11:56,580 Can you tell me what happened to her? 280 00:11:56,580 --> 00:11:57,580 There's two reasons. 281 00:11:57,580 --> 00:12:00,580 She's laying on the ground in the back by the railroad tracks, by the engine. 282 00:12:00,580 --> 00:12:01,580 What's the address? 283 00:12:01,580 --> 00:12:02,580 I don't know. 284 00:12:02,580 --> 00:12:03,580 Who are you? 285 00:12:03,580 --> 00:12:05,100 And the call ends there. 286 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:13,180 So, for those of you that don't know this case, you probably now have a good understanding 287 00:12:13,180 --> 00:12:18,620 of what we mean by our interpretation of the way that he talks and probably why he's 288 00:12:18,620 --> 00:12:21,020 so called the Weeby Voice Killer. 289 00:12:21,020 --> 00:12:24,540 Very, very, very clearly someone in a lot of distress. 290 00:12:24,540 --> 00:12:25,620 Yes, absolutely. 291 00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:32,060 And really, it sounds to me like a hell of a lot of immediate guilt as well. 292 00:12:32,060 --> 00:12:37,620 So the transcription, quote, just please, this is an emergency. 293 00:12:37,620 --> 00:12:43,460 Please send a squad car to Pierce Butler Road, Malberg Manufacturing Company Machineshop, 294 00:12:43,460 --> 00:12:45,740 please send an ambulance too. 295 00:12:45,740 --> 00:12:47,300 There's a girl hurt there. 296 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:51,500 The 911 operator asks, can you tell me what happened to her? 297 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:53,300 The caller, just hurry. 298 00:12:53,300 --> 00:12:57,780 She's laying on the ground in the back by the railroad tracks, by the entry. 299 00:12:57,780 --> 00:13:00,340 911 dispatcher, what's the address? 300 00:13:00,340 --> 00:13:01,980 Caller, I don't know. 301 00:13:01,980 --> 00:13:03,860 911, who are you? 302 00:13:03,860 --> 00:13:06,300 And then the call ends. 303 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:07,580 What a fucking call to get. 304 00:13:07,580 --> 00:13:08,580 What a call. 305 00:13:08,580 --> 00:13:09,580 So strange. 306 00:13:09,580 --> 00:13:10,580 So strange. 307 00:13:10,580 --> 00:13:12,580 And it actually kind of sounds like Lionel Menendez. 308 00:13:12,580 --> 00:13:13,580 Yeah. 309 00:13:13,580 --> 00:13:16,140 Like almost, because he's so upset. 310 00:13:16,140 --> 00:13:18,660 You can't understand what he's saying. 311 00:13:18,660 --> 00:13:24,580 The dispatcher is probably like, okay, I know it's a hard situation. 312 00:13:24,580 --> 00:13:26,020 Please try to calm down because I cannot understand. 313 00:13:26,020 --> 00:13:27,580 I can't understand what you're saying. 314 00:13:27,580 --> 00:13:28,580 You know what? 315 00:13:28,580 --> 00:13:30,860 You know I applied to be an 911 dispatcher at one point. 316 00:13:30,860 --> 00:13:31,860 I couldn't do that. 317 00:13:31,860 --> 00:13:33,660 I'm really like kind of thankful that I didn't get the job. 318 00:13:33,660 --> 00:13:34,660 I couldn't hang. 319 00:13:34,660 --> 00:13:35,660 I don't think I could. 320 00:13:35,660 --> 00:13:36,660 You're listening to somebody's worst day. 321 00:13:36,660 --> 00:13:37,660 Yeah. 322 00:13:37,660 --> 00:13:41,740 You're the person that you're going to associate good or bad with that day. 323 00:13:41,740 --> 00:13:42,740 Yeah. 324 00:13:42,740 --> 00:13:44,740 Depending on what you fucking do in that moment right there. 325 00:13:44,740 --> 00:13:45,740 Right. 326 00:13:45,740 --> 00:13:48,740 Let's just give a big shout out to 911 dispatchers. 327 00:13:48,740 --> 00:13:49,740 Seriously. 328 00:13:49,740 --> 00:13:51,940 And all first responders, honestly. 329 00:13:51,940 --> 00:13:55,900 Officers in emergency services arrived at the scene to find 20 year old Karen Potak, 330 00:13:55,900 --> 00:14:00,300 who had been beaten with a tire iron so severely that the police and paramedics thought that 331 00:14:00,300 --> 00:14:02,500 she was originally stabbed. 332 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:04,060 Oh my God. 333 00:14:04,060 --> 00:14:08,500 Her skull had been smashed and even parts of her brain were exposed to the outside world. 334 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:09,500 Oh my God. 335 00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:11,000 That's horrendous. 336 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,980 She had been found after being dragged behind the Malberg manufacturing company building 337 00:14:14,980 --> 00:14:18,180 along the railroad tracks left in the snow. 338 00:14:18,180 --> 00:14:22,140 That night Karen was attending a nightclub in celebration of the new year and around 339 00:14:22,140 --> 00:14:27,300 1 a.m. Karen decided to make her walk back to her place when she was attacked from behind 340 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:29,820 and left her dead in the freezing night. 341 00:14:29,820 --> 00:14:33,380 Karen would ultimately survive the attack, however she wouldn't remember anything from 342 00:14:33,380 --> 00:14:37,340 the attack and therefore could not identify the identity of her killer. 343 00:14:37,340 --> 00:14:38,340 She survived. 344 00:14:38,340 --> 00:14:42,100 She survived but she doesn't remember anything from that crime at all. 345 00:14:42,100 --> 00:14:44,500 Well yeah, I mean that's completely fucking understandable. 346 00:14:44,500 --> 00:14:45,500 She did survive. 347 00:14:45,500 --> 00:14:46,500 Wow. 348 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:50,580 Whether or not it's like shock, like her body, like defense mechanism, you're not gonna 349 00:14:50,580 --> 00:14:53,860 remember or obviously brain damage but damn. 350 00:14:53,860 --> 00:14:55,860 Well I think about the fact that it was cold. 351 00:14:55,860 --> 00:14:57,700 I wonder if that slowed her blood a little bit. 352 00:14:57,700 --> 00:14:58,700 Oh I'm sure. 353 00:14:58,700 --> 00:14:59,700 You know? 354 00:14:59,700 --> 00:15:00,700 I'm pretty sure. 355 00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:01,700 It's really interesting. 356 00:15:01,700 --> 00:15:02,700 Yeah. 357 00:15:02,700 --> 00:15:03,700 Dang. 358 00:15:03,700 --> 00:15:08,700 On June 3rd, 1981, five months after this first attack, another call came into dispatch. 359 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:13,700 Oh you f***ing f***ing find me. 360 00:15:13,700 --> 00:15:16,700 I just got somebody with an ice pick. 361 00:15:16,700 --> 00:15:17,700 I can't stop myself. 362 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:22,700 I keep killing somebody with an ice. 363 00:15:22,700 --> 00:15:24,620 Quote, will you find me goddammit? 364 00:15:24,620 --> 00:15:26,420 I just stabbed somebody with an ice pick. 365 00:15:26,420 --> 00:15:27,700 I can't stop myself. 366 00:15:27,700 --> 00:15:30,980 I keep killing somebody, end quote. 367 00:15:30,980 --> 00:15:32,540 I keep killing somebody. 368 00:15:32,540 --> 00:15:33,940 What a weird way to phrase that. 369 00:15:33,940 --> 00:15:34,940 Just somebody. 370 00:15:34,940 --> 00:15:38,020 Yeah but like instead of like I keep killing people. 371 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:39,020 Or women. 372 00:15:39,020 --> 00:15:41,140 Or I keep, it sounds like you keep killing the same person. 373 00:15:41,140 --> 00:15:42,140 Right. 374 00:15:42,140 --> 00:15:43,140 What do you say? 375 00:15:43,140 --> 00:15:44,140 I keep killing somebody. 376 00:15:44,140 --> 00:15:50,300 But I think that is a true phrase because I don't think that he's killing with a purpose. 377 00:15:50,300 --> 00:15:51,300 Yeah. 378 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:53,540 I think it's indiscriminately. 379 00:15:53,540 --> 00:15:55,220 So what do you think is happening? 380 00:15:55,220 --> 00:16:00,180 Like he can't control it? 381 00:16:00,180 --> 00:16:02,980 Is it like a blackout or is it like a... 382 00:16:02,980 --> 00:16:04,180 I don't know. 383 00:16:04,180 --> 00:16:05,580 It's just... 384 00:16:05,580 --> 00:16:06,580 It's very bizarre. 385 00:16:06,580 --> 00:16:08,940 And it seems like there's literally no cause. 386 00:16:08,940 --> 00:16:09,940 Right. 387 00:16:09,940 --> 00:16:15,620 Like with the exception of the epilepsy potential seizures that he has, do you think that he 388 00:16:15,620 --> 00:16:19,260 might be like in a certain state of mind during those episodes? 389 00:16:19,260 --> 00:16:20,260 I don't know. 390 00:16:20,260 --> 00:16:22,060 I mean I haven't heard of that happening before. 391 00:16:22,060 --> 00:16:27,140 There's someone with epilepsy having violent outbursts during the episodes. 392 00:16:27,140 --> 00:16:29,820 I don't know and I think we'll definitely talk more. 393 00:16:29,820 --> 00:16:32,580 I think that there's stuff to unravel here. 394 00:16:32,580 --> 00:16:36,220 It's just, it seems like so out of the blue every time. 395 00:16:36,220 --> 00:16:38,700 So again this is June 3rd of 81. 396 00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:44,180 This is five months after the first call and attack on Karen. 397 00:16:44,180 --> 00:16:49,140 So within 30 minutes of this phone call being made, the second one with the ice pick, in 398 00:16:49,140 --> 00:16:54,580 a park four miles away from the original first crime scene, Karen's crime scene, two boys 399 00:16:54,580 --> 00:16:57,820 were playing catch in the late afternoon. 400 00:16:57,820 --> 00:17:01,700 After the ball rolled away into some nearby bushes, the two would discover that an item 401 00:17:01,700 --> 00:17:05,420 that they had originally thought was a mannequin discarded in the bush was actually the body 402 00:17:05,420 --> 00:17:07,220 of a young woman. 403 00:17:07,220 --> 00:17:12,100 She had been stabbed 61 times with an ice pick, strangled with a shoelace, and was left 404 00:17:12,100 --> 00:17:15,260 with only her red jacket on. 405 00:17:15,260 --> 00:17:20,420 So now not only are they getting evidence of a body, but now it's being able to be 406 00:17:20,420 --> 00:17:22,460 tied almost to this call. 407 00:17:22,460 --> 00:17:24,380 It matches what he said. 408 00:17:24,380 --> 00:17:26,620 So it's like, okay this is not like a prank call. 409 00:17:26,620 --> 00:17:28,220 Like this guy is clearly serious. 410 00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:31,020 This is a real thing. 411 00:17:31,020 --> 00:17:36,020 The body did not contain any clues whatsoever to who the woman was, but detectives did find 412 00:17:36,020 --> 00:17:38,620 a key in her jacket pocket. 413 00:17:38,620 --> 00:17:41,300 This key went to a bus station locker. 414 00:17:41,300 --> 00:17:43,180 Like where you, you know. 415 00:17:43,180 --> 00:17:46,460 Like when you go to like the only time I ever really see that is like at a water park where 416 00:17:46,460 --> 00:17:50,260 you have to like, yeah. 417 00:17:50,260 --> 00:17:54,260 So detectives headed to the Greyhound bus station, which was the nearest bus station. 418 00:17:54,260 --> 00:17:58,060 Here investigators would locate the lock box. 419 00:17:58,060 --> 00:18:03,380 They would find several travel bags, bus ticket information, and of course the young woman's 420 00:18:03,380 --> 00:18:04,500 ID. 421 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:08,620 The girl was positively ID'd as 18 year old Kimberly Compton. 422 00:18:08,620 --> 00:18:13,900 She had just arrived in St. Paul from Wisconsin that day in order to start a new life. 423 00:18:13,900 --> 00:18:16,700 Oh my God that breaks my heart. 424 00:18:16,700 --> 00:18:20,060 Like she didn't even. 425 00:18:20,060 --> 00:18:21,980 That fucking breaks my heart. 426 00:18:21,980 --> 00:18:22,980 Like, yeah. 427 00:18:22,980 --> 00:18:25,180 Her poor family. 428 00:18:25,180 --> 00:18:28,620 Through more investigation, detectives determined that Kimberly had actually traveled across 429 00:18:28,620 --> 00:18:33,300 the street to an infamous diner that was really popular in St. Paul. 430 00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:37,180 There while eating alone, she was approached by an older man who struck up a conversation 431 00:18:37,180 --> 00:18:41,300 with her and offered to show the young lady around town. 432 00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:45,620 This man would say things like, I'm old enough to be your father, ha ha ha, just to make 433 00:18:45,620 --> 00:18:48,220 her feel comfortable. 434 00:18:48,220 --> 00:18:50,700 Eventually Kimberly did leave with the man. 435 00:18:50,700 --> 00:18:53,860 She would be found dead within 30 minutes of leaving the diner. 436 00:18:53,860 --> 00:18:54,860 Oh my God. 437 00:18:54,860 --> 00:18:58,180 So we can assume the phone call was made immediately after the crime took place. 438 00:18:58,180 --> 00:18:59,180 Yeah. 439 00:18:59,180 --> 00:19:02,660 So she had literally only been in St. Paul for like maybe a few hours. 440 00:19:02,660 --> 00:19:03,660 Like two hours. 441 00:19:03,660 --> 00:19:04,660 That's so awful. 442 00:19:04,660 --> 00:19:05,660 Oh my gosh. 443 00:19:05,660 --> 00:19:09,700 Because that's like one of the things that I find myself thinking about, like when I'm 444 00:19:09,700 --> 00:19:12,180 out of town, like what if something bad happens when I'm out of town? 445 00:19:12,180 --> 00:19:14,980 I feel like that would be arguably worse if it happened if I was here. 446 00:19:14,980 --> 00:19:15,980 Right. 447 00:19:15,980 --> 00:19:19,620 And I don't necessarily go as far to think things like this, but you know, I'm like, 448 00:19:19,620 --> 00:19:21,660 I always bring like my insurance card with me. 449 00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:23,820 Like when I leave town, like just in fucking case. 450 00:19:23,820 --> 00:19:24,820 Right. 451 00:19:24,820 --> 00:19:27,300 Like if I don't bring my whole, my whole get up, like my whole purse, my insurance card 452 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:28,300 is always coming with me. 453 00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:29,300 Yeah. 454 00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:30,300 Just in case you never know. 455 00:19:30,300 --> 00:19:35,420 But that's got to be scary to be someplace by yourself, not know anybody. 456 00:19:35,420 --> 00:19:39,700 And then literally the probably first person that you fucking meet, that offers to show 457 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:40,700 you around. 458 00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:41,700 Yeah. 459 00:19:41,700 --> 00:19:42,700 Everyone's so nice here. 460 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:43,700 And then he does that. 461 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:44,700 That is so fucking scary. 462 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:49,460 It's like gross to take advantage of a young girl like that 18 just figuring out her life. 463 00:19:49,460 --> 00:19:53,460 Probably like I'm gonna, this is where the rest of my life is going to start. 464 00:19:53,460 --> 00:19:57,820 And that's just awful. 465 00:19:57,820 --> 00:20:01,180 Two days later, a phone call was made to a local news station. 466 00:20:01,180 --> 00:20:05,340 This time the presumed killer did not confess anything, but instead called to correct 467 00:20:05,340 --> 00:20:08,780 some information that the station had put out about the details of the crime that were 468 00:20:08,780 --> 00:20:09,780 incorrect. 469 00:20:09,780 --> 00:20:14,420 It was known, known recording for this call. 470 00:20:14,420 --> 00:20:19,420 I don't know how I feel about that because up until this point I'm like, he can't control 471 00:20:19,420 --> 00:20:20,420 it. 472 00:20:20,420 --> 00:20:21,420 Right. 473 00:20:21,420 --> 00:20:23,780 But now there's kind of narcissistic tendencies coming out. 474 00:20:23,780 --> 00:20:29,020 And it's like, um, it's like, uh, John Wayne, Gacy, like, he's like, excuse me. 475 00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:30,620 No, no, John Wayne, Gacy, BTK. 476 00:20:30,620 --> 00:20:33,940 And he's like, Hey, you haven't talked to me in like 30 years. 477 00:20:33,940 --> 00:20:35,780 Can you like, remember me please? 478 00:20:35,780 --> 00:20:36,780 Can you like mention me? 479 00:20:36,780 --> 00:20:37,780 Yeah, can you mention me? 480 00:20:37,780 --> 00:20:38,780 Yeah. 481 00:20:38,780 --> 00:20:39,780 Isn't that interesting? 482 00:20:39,780 --> 00:20:45,420 Because up until now, the, the recordings are so, they sound so remorseful. 483 00:20:45,420 --> 00:20:46,420 Sincere. 484 00:20:46,420 --> 00:20:47,420 Sincere. 485 00:20:47,420 --> 00:20:49,420 Isn't that interesting? 486 00:20:49,420 --> 00:20:55,220 Sincere but accurate, I guess, is what he wants to be going for. 487 00:20:55,220 --> 00:20:56,220 Right. 488 00:20:56,220 --> 00:21:00,180 Five days later, police received another phone call. 489 00:21:00,180 --> 00:21:05,180 Don't talk just listen. 490 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:08,180 I saw what I did to Compton. 491 00:21:08,180 --> 00:21:10,180 I couldn't help it. 492 00:21:10,180 --> 00:21:13,180 Don't know why I asked her to have her. 493 00:21:13,180 --> 00:21:16,180 I am so upset about it. 494 00:21:16,180 --> 00:21:18,180 I keep getting drunk every time. 495 00:21:18,180 --> 00:21:21,180 I can't believe I did a big dream. 496 00:21:21,180 --> 00:21:25,180 I can't think of being locked up. 497 00:21:25,180 --> 00:21:27,180 If I get locked up, I'd kill myself. 498 00:21:27,180 --> 00:21:30,180 I'd rather kill myself, I'd rather get locked up. 499 00:21:30,180 --> 00:21:33,180 I'll be trying not to kill anybody else. 500 00:21:33,180 --> 00:21:34,180 Like bro, take a breath. 501 00:21:34,180 --> 00:21:35,180 Take a breath? 502 00:21:35,180 --> 00:21:37,180 I feel like he's still out of breath. 503 00:21:37,180 --> 00:21:38,180 He's in distress. 504 00:21:38,180 --> 00:21:39,180 Quote. 505 00:21:39,180 --> 00:21:41,180 Don't talk, just listen. 506 00:21:41,180 --> 00:21:43,180 I'm sorry for what I did to Compton. 507 00:21:43,180 --> 00:21:44,180 I couldn't help it. 508 00:21:44,180 --> 00:21:46,180 I don't know why I had to stab her. 509 00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:48,180 I'm just so upset about it. 510 00:21:48,180 --> 00:21:50,180 I keep getting drunk. 511 00:21:50,180 --> 00:21:52,180 I can't think of myself being locked up. 512 00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:54,180 If I get locked up, I'll kill myself. 513 00:21:54,180 --> 00:21:56,180 I'd rather kill myself than get locked up. 514 00:21:56,180 --> 00:21:58,180 I'll try not to kill anybody else. 515 00:21:58,180 --> 00:22:00,180 End quote. 516 00:22:00,180 --> 00:22:02,180 I cannot put my finger on this guy. 517 00:22:02,180 --> 00:22:03,180 I know. 518 00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:04,180 It's very strange. 519 00:22:04,180 --> 00:22:07,180 It doesn't make any sense. 520 00:22:07,180 --> 00:22:12,180 It's like, do you... 521 00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:17,180 I feel like what I'm thinking is that he gets enjoyment out of the killing, 522 00:22:17,180 --> 00:22:20,180 but then feels bad about it, 523 00:22:20,180 --> 00:22:23,180 or he secretly doesn't feel bad about it at all 524 00:22:23,180 --> 00:22:25,180 and he's really just putting it on. 525 00:22:25,180 --> 00:22:27,180 So that if and when he gets caught, 526 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,180 they'll maybe go easier on him 527 00:22:29,180 --> 00:22:31,180 because he sounds very distraught. 528 00:22:31,180 --> 00:22:32,180 I don't know. 529 00:22:32,180 --> 00:22:36,180 It's almost like he wants to take credit for all of it. 530 00:22:36,180 --> 00:22:38,180 And he wants to get caught, it sounds like too. 531 00:22:38,180 --> 00:22:39,180 It sounds like he wants to get caught, 532 00:22:39,180 --> 00:22:41,180 but he's not really giving that much information. 533 00:22:41,180 --> 00:22:43,180 He's just kind of linking these things together 534 00:22:43,180 --> 00:22:45,180 so that you know it's one person. 535 00:22:45,180 --> 00:22:49,180 He just wants the recognition as this infamous person, 536 00:22:49,180 --> 00:22:53,180 not Paul, not Paul Shafani, what is his name? 537 00:22:53,180 --> 00:22:54,180 Shafani. 538 00:22:54,180 --> 00:22:57,180 But this person, the killer, the Weebie Boys killer. 539 00:22:57,180 --> 00:22:58,180 Right? 540 00:22:58,180 --> 00:22:59,180 It's very interesting. 541 00:22:59,180 --> 00:23:01,180 And he'll leave like, he's like almost like little breadcrumbs, 542 00:23:01,180 --> 00:23:04,180 but he doesn't really say, 543 00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:07,180 like, I feel sorry for this, but like, don't catch me, you know? 544 00:23:07,180 --> 00:23:09,180 It's very strange. 545 00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:10,180 Damn. 546 00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:12,180 At this point, police make the connection 547 00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:14,180 between the attempted murder of Karen Potak 548 00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:18,180 and decided to alert the media 549 00:23:18,180 --> 00:23:20,180 that there's likely a serial killer on the loose, 550 00:23:20,180 --> 00:23:22,180 and then he's likely to strike again. 551 00:23:22,180 --> 00:23:24,180 They allowed the use of the audio recordings 552 00:23:24,180 --> 00:23:27,180 in hopes that someone would recognize the man's voice. 553 00:23:27,180 --> 00:23:29,180 He was then dubbed the Weebie Boys killer. 554 00:23:29,180 --> 00:23:31,180 He didn't give himself the name, of course. 555 00:23:31,180 --> 00:23:32,180 Like we've seen in the past. 556 00:23:32,180 --> 00:23:34,180 Who wants to be, who wants to name themselves 557 00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:36,180 the Weebie Boys killer? 558 00:23:36,180 --> 00:23:37,180 I don't know, man. 559 00:23:37,180 --> 00:23:38,180 You got a, you got a new, 560 00:23:38,180 --> 00:23:40,180 he had to have known that that was coming though. 561 00:23:40,180 --> 00:23:43,180 Like there's no, like name for him. 562 00:23:43,180 --> 00:23:44,180 Yeah. 563 00:23:44,180 --> 00:23:45,180 He's like, shit. 564 00:23:45,180 --> 00:23:46,180 Damn it. 565 00:23:46,180 --> 00:23:48,180 Should have had like a different accent. 566 00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:49,180 I called him. 567 00:23:49,180 --> 00:23:51,180 It was also put out in the media 568 00:23:51,180 --> 00:23:53,180 that there may be a link between the two victims 569 00:23:53,180 --> 00:23:55,180 as both had been apparently wearing red 570 00:23:55,180 --> 00:23:57,180 on the days that they were attacked. 571 00:23:57,180 --> 00:23:59,180 Should have called him like the bull killer. 572 00:23:59,180 --> 00:24:00,180 The matador. 573 00:24:00,180 --> 00:24:01,180 El Toro. 574 00:24:01,180 --> 00:24:02,180 That's interesting. 575 00:24:02,180 --> 00:24:04,180 That would have been wild. 576 00:24:04,180 --> 00:24:06,180 The public was on edge for another two months 577 00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:09,180 until another call came into dispatch. 578 00:24:09,180 --> 00:24:12,180 26-year-old Alan Lopez, 579 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:15,180 who was going through a mental deteriorating state. 580 00:24:15,180 --> 00:24:19,180 He had a very long history of mental illness. 581 00:24:19,180 --> 00:24:21,180 He was actually threatening, 582 00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:23,180 threatening the lives of his mother, 583 00:24:23,180 --> 00:24:24,180 father, and his sister, 584 00:24:24,180 --> 00:24:26,180 and took them all hostage. 585 00:24:26,180 --> 00:24:27,180 Oh my gosh. 586 00:24:27,180 --> 00:24:30,180 Hostage negoti, negotiate, negotiators. 587 00:24:30,180 --> 00:24:34,180 Hostage negotiators communicated with Alan via telephone, 588 00:24:34,180 --> 00:24:37,180 where he had confessed to being the Weebie Boys killer, 589 00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:41,180 specifically responsible for the death of Kimberly Compton. 590 00:24:41,180 --> 00:24:43,180 After a long standoff, 591 00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:45,180 Alan eventually surrendered to police, 592 00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:48,180 but unfortunately he did ultimately take the lives 593 00:24:48,180 --> 00:24:50,180 of his three family members. 594 00:24:50,180 --> 00:24:52,180 A quick evaluation of Alan's voice 595 00:24:52,180 --> 00:24:54,180 compared to the Weebie Boys killer's voice 596 00:24:54,180 --> 00:24:56,180 concluded that Alan could not have been the one 597 00:24:56,180 --> 00:24:57,180 to make the phone call, 598 00:24:57,180 --> 00:24:59,180 nor was he the one to kill Kimberly Compton. 599 00:24:59,180 --> 00:25:01,180 Yeah, I mean, that's a very distinct voice. 600 00:25:01,180 --> 00:25:03,180 It's really easy to just, hey, 601 00:25:03,180 --> 00:25:05,180 make this weird sound with your mouth. 602 00:25:05,180 --> 00:25:06,180 Right, you would try. 603 00:25:06,180 --> 00:25:07,180 It doesn't sound like him. 604 00:25:07,180 --> 00:25:08,180 Okay, cool. 605 00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:10,180 He would be charged with the murders of his family members, 606 00:25:10,180 --> 00:25:13,180 and after only serving a few months in prison for the murders, 607 00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:16,180 Alan ultimately committed suicide in prison 608 00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:18,180 in February 1982. 609 00:25:18,180 --> 00:25:19,180 Oh, that's so awful. 610 00:25:19,180 --> 00:25:20,180 It's a really sad story. 611 00:25:20,180 --> 00:25:21,180 I tried to look up more about Alan 612 00:25:21,180 --> 00:25:24,180 just to maybe talk about his mental health struggles, 613 00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:27,180 but there really wasn't a lot of information about him. 614 00:25:27,180 --> 00:25:28,180 Poor guy. 615 00:25:28,180 --> 00:25:29,180 Poor family. 616 00:25:29,180 --> 00:25:32,180 Six months later, in August of 1982, 617 00:25:32,180 --> 00:25:34,180 a young paper boy was cutting through a wooded area 618 00:25:34,180 --> 00:25:37,180 when he spotted a woman's body laying across, 619 00:25:37,180 --> 00:25:40,180 laying across the Mississippi River. 620 00:25:40,180 --> 00:25:41,180 How tall was she? 621 00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:44,180 She was like 50 feet tall. 622 00:25:44,180 --> 00:25:48,180 No, but unfortunately, she was laying along the Mississippi River. 623 00:25:48,180 --> 00:25:50,180 This woman had been brutally stabbed 624 00:25:50,180 --> 00:25:52,180 with what appeared to be a screwdriver. 625 00:25:52,180 --> 00:25:53,180 Oh my gosh. 626 00:25:53,180 --> 00:25:55,180 She had no identification on her. 627 00:25:55,180 --> 00:25:57,180 However, a few short days later, 628 00:25:57,180 --> 00:26:00,180 a man would actually turn in a purse to police 629 00:26:00,180 --> 00:26:03,180 that he found in his mailbox of all places. 630 00:26:03,180 --> 00:26:04,180 Oh no. 631 00:26:04,180 --> 00:26:05,180 Isn't that strange? 632 00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:06,180 Absolutely not. 633 00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:08,180 He had looked through the ID and stuff 634 00:26:08,180 --> 00:26:10,180 to see if there was any ID 635 00:26:10,180 --> 00:26:13,180 and possibly returned the item back to the woman, 636 00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:16,180 but that when he knew about the body discovery 637 00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:18,180 that he decided to turn it into police. 638 00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:19,180 Yeah. 639 00:26:19,180 --> 00:26:21,180 Through this, investigators identified the woman 640 00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:25,180 as 40-year-old Barbara Simmons, a local nurse. 641 00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:27,180 The evening before her death, 642 00:26:27,180 --> 00:26:29,180 Barbara had stuck up a conversation with a man 643 00:26:29,180 --> 00:26:30,180 in a local bar. 644 00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:33,180 He seemed nice enough, and Barbara mentioned to the bartender, 645 00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:36,180 who was also a friend of hers, that she found him attractive, 646 00:26:36,180 --> 00:26:39,180 so much so that she was going to go home with him after the bar. 647 00:26:39,180 --> 00:26:42,180 This was the last time that Barbara was seen alive. 648 00:26:42,180 --> 00:26:45,180 Oh my gosh, it's so sad. 649 00:26:45,180 --> 00:26:48,180 Two days later, the police received another phone call. 650 00:26:52,180 --> 00:26:53,180 Play your emergency. 651 00:26:53,180 --> 00:26:55,180 Please don't talk to him, Larson. 652 00:26:55,180 --> 00:26:58,180 I'm sorry I killed that girl. 653 00:26:58,180 --> 00:27:00,180 I stabbed her 40 times. 654 00:27:00,180 --> 00:27:03,180 Kimberly Compton was a baseball over in Facebook. 655 00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:04,180 So were they. 656 00:27:04,180 --> 00:27:06,180 They were the ones who died of the F.C. 657 00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:09,180 I'm going to kill myself if I can. 658 00:27:09,180 --> 00:27:10,180 Where are you? 659 00:27:10,180 --> 00:27:12,180 I'm just going to die as a person with a gun, 660 00:27:12,180 --> 00:27:14,180 it's too hot, I can't breathe, 661 00:27:14,180 --> 00:27:16,180 I just can't breathe. 662 00:27:16,180 --> 00:27:18,180 I'm going to make it to hell with this. 663 00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:22,180 That one's raw. 664 00:27:22,180 --> 00:27:24,180 That one was really harsh. 665 00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:26,180 Quote, please don't talk, just listen. 666 00:27:26,180 --> 00:27:27,180 I'm sorry I killed that girl. 667 00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:29,180 I stabbed her 40 times. 668 00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:32,180 Kimberly Compton was the first one over in St. Paul. 669 00:27:32,180 --> 00:27:34,180 I don't know what's the matter with me. 670 00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:35,180 I'm sick. 671 00:27:35,180 --> 00:27:36,180 I'm just going to kill myself. 672 00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:38,180 I think I'm just going to. 673 00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:42,480 somebody dies with a red shirt on, it's me. I've killed more people. I'll never make 674 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:51,480 it to heaven." Oh my god, that is heartbreaking. So this one was really interesting to me because 675 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:59,060 he calls back to Kimberly Compton. That one was me. So he's trying to take credit for 676 00:27:59,060 --> 00:28:05,380 that or say I'm the same person that did that. And then he says, and I thought the first 677 00:28:05,380 --> 00:28:09,860 time I listen to this, when he says, I'm gonna kill myself, I think I'm just going 678 00:28:09,860 --> 00:28:14,860 to, if somebody dies with a red shirt on, it's me. And I'm thinking he, like I thought 679 00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:18,220 he was saying if you, if somebody commits suicide and it's a red t-shirt, then it's 680 00:28:18,220 --> 00:28:23,860 me, I think what he's saying is that he's only going to kill victims with red clothing 681 00:28:23,860 --> 00:28:28,820 items. Yeah, I thought at first it was like if you find a deceased male wearing red, it's 682 00:28:28,820 --> 00:28:31,980 me. Yeah. That's what I thought he was saying, but that makes sense. But I think that he's, 683 00:28:31,980 --> 00:28:36,660 that's what he's saying because the other two victims had worn red. Dang. And I don't 684 00:28:36,660 --> 00:28:40,100 know what Barbara was wearing or if that's something that they just kept to themselves 685 00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:44,340 or something, but I didn't, there was any indication that I saw that Barbara was wearing 686 00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:49,340 red. Low key, like I would probably be like, yo, alert that right now to the media. And 687 00:28:49,340 --> 00:28:53,260 they did. No one fucking wear red. Really? They did. They put that and they said, I forgot 688 00:28:53,260 --> 00:29:00,540 what the headline was, but it just said women wearing red may be targeting, maybe targeted 689 00:29:00,540 --> 00:29:05,020 or something. And it was an article about it. That, that one dispatcher was probably 690 00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:09,180 like, oh shit, like it's him. Because there's no way that they didn't hear about it. But 691 00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:15,260 like imagine like knowing that there's a serial killer at large that is their MO is to call 692 00:29:15,260 --> 00:29:21,220 in upset after they murder someone and you're a dispatcher just kind of waiting like every 693 00:29:21,220 --> 00:29:24,180 phone call you answer, so like, is this going to be him? Is this going to be him? And getting 694 00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:29,060 that call and she was like, oh shit, like, you know what else is interesting is I think 695 00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:33,980 that he might have inadvertently saved Karen's life too because he said send an ambulance 696 00:29:33,980 --> 00:29:39,580 to this location. You know, I wonder if the immediate help didn't, you know, save her 697 00:29:39,580 --> 00:29:44,820 life. Not to give the guy credit. And I'm not saying that. If his, if his point was 698 00:29:44,820 --> 00:29:52,820 to kill her, you know what I mean? Or maybe he thought he was already dead. It's so hard. 699 00:29:52,820 --> 00:29:57,020 The bartender at the bar that the two were at the evening before was able to provide 700 00:29:57,020 --> 00:30:01,820 the police with a description of the man along with a few other witnesses. Police went through 701 00:30:01,820 --> 00:30:06,860 a crime database searching for violent offenders in the area and came across Paul Stefani's 702 00:30:06,860 --> 00:30:12,300 photo. He most resembled the descriptions the witness had given and was ultimately positively 703 00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:17,660 identified by the bartender and a few other witnesses as well. While police were bulking 704 00:30:17,660 --> 00:30:22,340 up their investigation, getting to know every detail about who Paul Stefani was, they were 705 00:30:22,340 --> 00:30:28,820 actually surveillancing him as well. However, on the 21st of August 1982, he slipped through 706 00:30:28,820 --> 00:30:33,020 the cracks. I fucking hate when they say the term like that. Like, oh, he just slipped 707 00:30:33,020 --> 00:30:40,020 through the cracks. No, your patrol officer was probably sleeping or off getting donuts. 708 00:30:40,020 --> 00:30:44,460 I was like, what are you gonna say? I don't know. I thought I thought about maybe not 709 00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:49,980 saying donuts and then thinking like, no, fuck it, donuts. Saying he slipped through 710 00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:52,900 the cracks is a nice way of saying someone fucked up. Somebody didn't do their job. 711 00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:58,660 Someone dropped the ball. Yeah, absolutely. He was able to pick up 19 year old sex worker 712 00:30:58,660 --> 00:31:03,420 Denise Williams. Denise had been in sex work for some while and she did know the ins and 713 00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:09,180 outs of the streets pretty well. After exchanging money and completing a transaction, Stefani 714 00:31:09,180 --> 00:31:13,460 was either meant to drive Denise back to where he originally picked her up or home. I've 715 00:31:13,460 --> 00:31:18,780 heard differing details on that. Either way, Denise did become alert when he didn't seem 716 00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:24,060 to be driving back to wherever they were supposed to go, right? Fuck that. That's so scary. 717 00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:28,780 He probably gave her a few different answers like, oh, no, shortcut. I know, I always say 718 00:31:28,780 --> 00:31:34,300 that. All of the sudden, Stefani pulls the car over and begins to stab Denise with a 719 00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:42,460 screwdriver. Oh my God. Denise begins to fight back and she's, I mean, she's nobody's bitch. 720 00:31:42,460 --> 00:31:48,180 She sees a glass soda bottle that's in the passenger pocket side door thing. Bad bitch 721 00:31:48,180 --> 00:31:53,460 alert. She grabs it and essentially smashes it over his head, cutting his face pretty 722 00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:59,020 badly. This ain't no movie theater glass. This shit's real. This is like a glass to 723 00:31:59,020 --> 00:32:05,060 those bottles. After this, Denise was able to make it out of the car and she sprinted, 724 00:32:05,060 --> 00:32:10,420 screaming for help just to notice that Stefani was quickly gaining on her heels. Oh my God. 725 00:32:10,420 --> 00:32:16,060 That is so scary. She's stabbed a few more times, but all of Denise's calls for help 726 00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:20,700 would not go unanswered. Thankfully, a Good Samaritan came running towards the two in 727 00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:25,660 order to break them up, eventually scaring off Stefani. Wow. Denise would survive her 728 00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:31,340 attack. She was stabbed, I think, anywhere between 13 and 15 times. Bad bitch alert. 729 00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:35,500 Also Good Samaritan bad bitch alert. Seriously. Denise would survive her attack thanks to 730 00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:40,380 her gut instinct, her fighting back, and also the passing witness. Yeah. Police are called 731 00:32:40,380 --> 00:32:44,500 to the scene and the witness was able to identify Paul Stefani as the perpetrator. Like, does 732 00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:52,180 he look like this? Oh my gosh. Does he sound like this? Yes. Stefani returned home to assess 733 00:32:52,180 --> 00:32:57,540 his wounds. He quickly realized that he needed medical attention. I'm sorry, that's not 734 00:32:57,540 --> 00:33:03,340 funny for like. So what did he do? He called dispatch for help. No, he did not. Yes, he 735 00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:10,060 did. He didn't just go to a local urgent care for like the ER. He called because he was 736 00:33:10,060 --> 00:33:13,020 going to have to explain how he got these injuries. Yeah. Therefore, he said he was 737 00:33:13,020 --> 00:33:20,700 the victim of a robbery. So he wanted it documented, in my opinion. That's what he called. Okay. 738 00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:24,940 The operator who took the call heard similarities in this caller's voice and the Weebie Boys 739 00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:30,340 killer's voice. So as a precaution, the operator sends an ambulance and police to this given 740 00:33:30,340 --> 00:33:36,620 address. Bad bitch alert. Straight up. Meanwhile, as Stefani's home, police who are doing surveillance 741 00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:41,900 sees officers and ambulances pulling up to his house. They're like, huh? They didn't 742 00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:45,620 even see him walk in with a bloody face. Well, it was probably in the middle of the night. 743 00:33:45,620 --> 00:33:48,900 That's true. I mean, it was in the middle of the night, not probably. But either way, 744 00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:53,700 you know what I mean? Oh, wow, that's really great that they are doing something. I feel 745 00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:57,220 like it's like that spider-man meme. Yeah. Like the spider-mans are pointing to each 746 00:33:57,220 --> 00:34:06,500 other or whatever. That's it was the police watching the police. Police. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, 747 00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:10,580 long story short. It's not a short story at all or not a long story at all. Stefani 748 00:34:10,580 --> 00:34:15,220 was arrested on the spot for at least the assault on Denise that night. Yeah. It would 749 00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:20,580 be the next day that he would soon be charged with Barbara Simmons' murder as well. During 750 00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:25,900 his interrogations, Stefani denied killing anyone. However, when the crime scene photos 751 00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:34,180 were shown to Stefani in the interrogation room, he began to exude stress reducing behaviors. 752 00:34:34,180 --> 00:34:39,140 And with this, his voice began to rise higher and higher and higher the more upset he got. 753 00:34:39,140 --> 00:34:44,180 So he started sounding more and more like the killer. Can you imagine? Like you're like, 754 00:34:44,180 --> 00:34:48,460 is it this guy? Is it not this guy? I mean, you know, but clearly he assaulted somebody 755 00:34:48,460 --> 00:34:53,620 already. Yeah. They're pretty sure it's him. And then he gives his tell. And you're just 756 00:34:53,620 --> 00:35:00,300 like, oh, it's him. Oh, it's like a heebies. The heebies. This proved to investigators 757 00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:04,940 that they did have their perpetrator of all of these crimes. In court, however, it was 758 00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:08,700 determined that there was not enough physical evidence to try Stefani for the attempted 759 00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:14,780 murder of Karen and the murder of Kimberly. But Barbara and Denise's cases came with 760 00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:20,420 witnesses, so they move forward with these two cases. Okay. He would be tried in 1984 761 00:35:20,420 --> 00:35:26,780 and 1985 for each case. And in each case, Stefani pleaded not guilty. Throughout his 762 00:35:26,780 --> 00:35:32,060 trials, Stefani was known to glare at each person as they spoke. And you could feel the 763 00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:38,380 tension from him. It was almost as if he could snap at any moment. Like he was just waiting. 764 00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:41,460 You know what I mean? You're around somebody like that, where you know that they're just 765 00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:47,460 like one stubbed toe away from just like losing their shit. Yeah, I've seen it happen before 766 00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:53,980 my eyes. Thankfully, it wasn't a murderer. But another notable thing that happened in 767 00:35:53,980 --> 00:35:57,740 trial was that they had had people in Stefani's personal life who testified that the voice 768 00:35:57,740 --> 00:36:03,220 on tape was that of Stefani, including his ex-wife, his sister, and his former roommate. 769 00:36:03,220 --> 00:36:08,420 Oh, wow. He would be found guilty of second degree murder of Barbara Simmons and guilty 770 00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:13,300 of the attempted murder of Denise Williams. He would be sentenced to serve 58 years in 771 00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:19,900 Oak Park Heights prison. Wow. 12 years into his sentence, Stefani would find out that 772 00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:25,300 he had terminal skin cancer and that he only had six months to a year to live. Oh my God, 773 00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:33,020 what a twist. Right, what a twist. And a strange twist. Stefani would ask to speak to investigators 774 00:36:33,020 --> 00:36:38,420 assigned to the outstanding cases of Karen Potek and Kimberly Compton. No. He would 775 00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:43,900 confess to the murder and the attempted murder. Wow. Furthermore, he confessed to one more 776 00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:50,860 murder that investigators never even knew was a murder. On July 12, 1982, 33 year old 777 00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:55,660 Kathleen Greening was found by a friend who went to check on the school teacher after 778 00:36:55,660 --> 00:37:00,540 not hearing from her in the last 24 hours. When arriving at the house, the friend found 779 00:37:00,540 --> 00:37:05,660 that Kathleen was in her bathtub and had seemingly slipped and drowned. This scene was ruled 780 00:37:05,660 --> 00:37:10,820 an accident. However, Stefani was now admitting that he had held her underwater, drowning 781 00:37:10,820 --> 00:37:17,340 the school teacher in her own bathtub after the two had gone on a date. And he, that was 782 00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:22,020 my stomach growling. Oh my gosh, it's not like somebody talking. And he, like, there's 783 00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:25,700 no way he would have known the details of that without having been there. Without having 784 00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:32,140 been there. Well, her drowning was ruled an accident. There was no need to investigate 785 00:37:32,140 --> 00:37:38,500 it. Wow. He was never linked to this crime and again, it was ruled by an accident. It 786 00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:42,700 had no previous connections to him as his MO, including not making another phone call 787 00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:48,740 afterwards. Yeah. So what was the difference? Maybe he did make a phone call and he hung 788 00:37:48,740 --> 00:37:52,980 up or maybe he, I don't know, you know. So another way of explaining why this scene was 789 00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:58,300 different was maybe because Paul Stefani actually knew Kathleen personally. Clearly, she felt 790 00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:02,620 comfortable enough to actually go upstairs and get undressed herself and then get into 791 00:38:02,620 --> 00:38:07,140 the bathtub because it didn't seem like there was a sign of a struggle at all. Yeah. So 792 00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:13,740 she felt comfortable enough. Wow. It also makes sense if he really cared about her, why 793 00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:20,940 he felt the need to claim the other victims as his victims versus something that he did 794 00:38:20,940 --> 00:38:28,460 in a moment. Yeah. With a friend. It's very, like it doesn't make sense, but if you put 795 00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:32,220 it that way, like I can see where he might not have that mindset. Like he probably didn't 796 00:38:32,220 --> 00:38:36,220 have rage, but he wanted to kill her anyways. Yeah. And the other women, I think it was 797 00:38:36,220 --> 00:38:42,380 very rage fueled. Yeah, I think so too. And that he had even said in an interview that 798 00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:46,540 the night was going great. They had a great time at dinner. Everything was normal and 799 00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:51,900 all of a sudden he just felt the need to strangle her. I wonder where that came from. That's 800 00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:58,300 so bizarre. Like seemingly out of nowhere. I mean, the only thing like it had to have 801 00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:05,300 been a seizure of some sort that skewed his brain chemistry or he was predisposed to 802 00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:10,260 developing something and the seizures was the trauma that pushed it over the edge. I 803 00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:16,420 think it's also another one of those like reclamation things where he didn't want another 804 00:39:16,420 --> 00:39:21,420 or a single other woman to leave his life. And I think that maybe the recordings are 805 00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:27,660 kind of like maybe not a keepsake, but like voicing it out loud means that he's claiming 806 00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:31,580 responsibility for it so that it is his like essentially their kind of his trophies, even 807 00:39:31,580 --> 00:39:36,140 though he knew that he probably didn't know that they had them until he knew that they 808 00:39:36,140 --> 00:39:43,100 had them when they were broadcasted. That's true. So I think it's just kind of maybe a 809 00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:50,700 time confessing it is lightning that load a little bit, but it's also taking ownership 810 00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:55,220 of that crime and that woman. Yeah, it does kind of seem like he took his time to get 811 00:39:55,220 --> 00:39:59,740 to know all of these women before he did anything like had a conversation with him at least. 812 00:39:59,740 --> 00:40:03,100 And then you have a good point saying that he didn't want another woman to leave him 813 00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:07,620 that he had a connection with. Right. So maybe it just so happened to be a woman that he 814 00:40:07,620 --> 00:40:11,860 had a connection with that was also wearing red for some reason he associated that with 815 00:40:11,860 --> 00:40:17,740 rage or whatever. Right. At least once or twice that we know about. Paul Stefani did 816 00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:21,860 claim in his later years that he did have voices in his head that told him to commit 817 00:40:21,860 --> 00:40:26,500 these crimes. And then after each crime, along with calling them in, he would actually go 818 00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:32,420 to churches and pray afterwards asking for forgiveness. Oh my God. It was also found 819 00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:36,900 out later that all of the photos that he collected of his ex-girlfriend, the Syrian woman, were 820 00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:49,260 of her wearing red as red was her favorite color. Oh wow. That makes more sense now too. 821 00:40:49,260 --> 00:40:57,540 June 12th, 1998, Paul Stefani would die in prison at age 53 years old. Dang. The end. 822 00:40:57,540 --> 00:41:02,540 The end. That was a good one. I know we've been talking about him for quite a while, 823 00:41:02,540 --> 00:41:07,260 just in general, in passing, but I didn't realize there was not a lot of information 824 00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:11,540 out there on his childhood. There's like zero. Yeah. And the episode that I listened to, 825 00:41:11,540 --> 00:41:15,060 a podcast episode about him a long time ago, and I just figured they didn't put any of 826 00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:17,940 that in there because that's not their thing. They just talk about the crimes. They don't 827 00:41:17,940 --> 00:41:22,660 talk about the childhood, but dang. Yeah, there really wasn't anything. And again, I 828 00:41:22,660 --> 00:41:28,620 think it's just maybe we don't know a lot about him because he was the way that he 829 00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:32,820 was, and nobody wants to associate with that or the way he was. And it seemed like he might 830 00:41:32,820 --> 00:41:38,740 have been kind of controlling as well in his marriage. And that's just my perception, just 831 00:41:38,740 --> 00:41:42,460 because of the way that he would participate later. He seemed like he might, that's his 832 00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:48,940 thing is kind of controlling. Don't go. Don't, you know, kind of a thing. Yeah. Dang. Well, 833 00:41:48,940 --> 00:41:53,300 thanks for bringing that. That was a good one. I know it was a little shorter, but... 834 00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:56,900 It's all right. I mean, we have really long episodes, and sometimes we don't have so long 835 00:41:56,900 --> 00:42:01,020 episodes because there's not a lot of information. Like you said. I found the tapes really interesting. 836 00:42:01,020 --> 00:42:04,940 It's only the second time we've ever incorporated like by-one-one calls before. It's always 837 00:42:04,940 --> 00:42:10,500 really interesting. That's true. Hear everything. I'm gonna have to get on top of my audio recordings 838 00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:15,580 for the next episode. Yeah. Well, in the meantime, you guys can hit us up on anywhere on social 839 00:42:15,580 --> 00:42:20,820 media, Diagnosing a Killer, check out DiagnosingAKiller.com for all of your merch needs. Check out 840 00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:24,940 the episode coming out on Saturday with Hillary. That was a great time hanging out with her. 841 00:42:24,940 --> 00:42:29,460 We talked about animals. We talked about Florida. We talked about Elliot Roger. We talked about 842 00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:34,220 a lot of random stuff, but it was a good conversation. I'm glad we were able to do it. And we will 843 00:42:34,220 --> 00:43:03,340 see you guys on Monday with another mental breakdown. Yeah, absolutely. Love you. Bye.