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Welcome back to another episode of the DAK Live.
I am Koelle.
And I'm Kenna.
And I'm Hillary.
We have Hillary with us today.
So excited.
And this is our first time doing a DAK Live via the internet.
We are on Discord right now so we can hear Hillary and we're recording it from two different states.
I think this is going to open up a few more doors.
So I'm excited.
Yeah, absolutely.
This has definitely been a learning experience for us because I was like figuring out how to work Discord at all.
I've never even downloaded it.
But also trying to get all of the wheels turning.
But I think it sounds pretty good.
For new listeners, would you like to explain what a DAK Live is?
Sure.
Yeah.
So every once in a while we do a bonus segment that we call the DAK Live or Diagnosing a Killer Live.
And we bring on various guests.
This is going to be the fourth installment of that this week or this time around.
Excuse me, we have Hillary and we just kind of chat and we talk about anything and all things true crime or mental health or just anything in general like personal stories.
I know one time we had Mom on and she talked about a personal true crime story, which is pretty cool.
And yeah, no editing.
So you might hear us clearing our throats.
Yeah.
And I am under the weather as well.
So forgive me if I'm blowing my nose or taking sips of my little vitamin water thing over here.
Well, yeah, we're super excited to have you, Hillary.
And thanks for making the time for us.
I know that you had a long day today.
Yeah, no problem.
I'm nervous.
I don't know what to do.
It's weird when you're not on your own podcast.
I know you're not the host.
I think I felt the same way though when I was a guest on your podcast.
I was like, when do I talk?
When do I not?
Yeah, exactly.
So I guess just tell the listeners a little bit more about yourself and your podcast.
So I'm Hillary.
I am part of the Lady You're Scare-Nose podcast.
We did do the collab with you guys on the Follyadoo slash Trump family story.
So that was fun.
We really enjoyed that.
But we do so we do longer videos on Tuesdays like on our channel, you're guaranteed an episode on Tuesdays on true crime or just maybe like conspiracy or anything just weird or, you know, anything like that.
And then we try on Thursdays to do like a mini bonus episode on just whatever we feel like it may be like 10 minutes, 15 minutes or five minutes, just something a little extra might be a funny article, something like that.
But yeah, it's me and Taylor.
And we started out with Morgan, but she's out living her best life.
Yeah, different guests come in every now and then or we just tell each other stories.
That's awesome.
I honestly get kind of disappointed when I go to your podcast and it's only 10 minutes because I like listening to you guys.
I'm like, oh man, it's only a 10 minute episode.
But yeah, some stuff is like hard like to find a lot of information and then it's like I don't want to do too much banter.
Yeah, we have a problem with that.
Well, we have recently.
But that's why we like to do these DK lives because I feel like we can get it all out and then people can still kind of get to know us, but we're not doing it all on this like true crime episode when they're like, all right, get to the fucking point, you know, right?
Because I'm bad about reading like forums and people are like, there's too much banter and such and such as podcast or I like such and such because they're just straight to the point.
So I'm like, I just want to please everybody.
Yeah.
We actually did get a review recently that said that the person was like, they are so great, they do so much research and they get right to the point.
Like, I don't really have a lot of patience.
So they get right to the point.
The next episode we started bantering.
So we have somebody else that said, oh, I love listening to more about you guys.
I love, you know, getting invested in you guys too.
So it's the best of both worlds.
Yeah, you got to give everyone a little something, something.
Right.
And then there's a bad viewer that's like, oh, well, you know, we want to know what you guys look like or it's like good to put a face to the voice or put, you know, get a feel for who you guys are.
Yeah, definitely.
We I think we've posted maybe like two photos of ourselves on the DAK Instagram, but mostly it's just content.
I'm really guilty about using my personal Instagram more often than my DAK one.
Oh, same.
I haven't posted anything on my DAK one, no, it's not a single post, tons of stories, not a single post.
I think I've posted three posts, but it's just like photos of me.
And then when I post like me and Casey together, I don't tag him because I don't want people following him from there.
Like, I just want it to be me.
It's all about me.
So that means, right?
No, I'm just kidding.
Well, yeah, that's really cool, honestly.
And I was telling Kowell earlier, it was kind of kismet almost that we ended up meeting because, you know, once you create a brand like this and, you know, you start to get involved.
And, you know, you start to get invested in social media with different podcasters and, you know, you get similar requests or similar suggestions for people that kind of have like a similar page to you.
And I think that's how, I don't know if it was, you guys came across us or vice versa, but either way, I came across y'all's name in our followers or following list.
And, you know, I was telling Kowell, I like to give newer podcasts a shot, right?
Even if you have three episodes, I want to hear what you would got because if it's good in the beginning, odds are it's going to be good like forever, right?
Yeah.
And that just happened to be one of them.
And then I think I shot you guys a message and I was like, you guys are so funny.
I love like all the, you know, playful banter and you guys are hilarious and be nicer to Morgan.
She's such a sweet baby.
It's funny.
I remember that.
I remember I sent that message and I felt so weird.
But here we are now.
Right?
So, yeah.
You know, you really made it when you can, when Ken and I, not that like, you know, our word matters, but when we just toss around lady, like, we're just like, oh, on lady.
Yeah.
Like, you don't have to say later, scared us.
We just know.
On lady.
Yeah.
When I listen to you guys and you guys like say that, I'm like, yeah, that's us.
Yeah, that's us.
They're talking about us.
But I was telling a friend at work today, I was like, oh, when I get off, I got to go do this and that and this and that. And then I'm, you know, gonna do a little live podcast with another podcasters.
It's the ones that did the Trump family with us, blah, blah, blah.
And she's like, oh, yeah, I like them.
She's like, I listened to, I've listened to a few of their things and I like them.
That's sweet.
I love that.
So we were saying, speaking of work and where we are and stuff with our coworkers, that we are obviously in two different states to us, but maybe not people listening.
We are in Texas and Hillary, you guys are in Florida.
Tell us about Florida.
I don't think I've ever been to Florida.
Really?
I like it.
We have the like crazy Florida rep reputation.
But you know what?
I heard on one podcast that the reason Florida gets such a crazy rep rap, rap, whatever is because like the news isn't as censored or something.
Huh.
So that's why you see so many crazy stories coming from Florida.
Right.
As opposed to other states, it's just because something about the news not being a censor or something.
I don't know.
But I was telling kind of earlier, I was like, do you think that Florida man is like the Tasmanian devil or the Jersey devil?
That's what it was.
Right.
Like a local legend.
It's like the moth man.
It just happens to be one Florida man.
Well, I don't know.
No.
Go ahead, Hillary.
Sorry.
No, but I like, I love it here.
Right now it's rainy, but you know, I love going to the beach and all that good stuff.
It blows my mind that y'all's panhandle is a different time zone than the rest of Florida.
Just about to say that.
That's so strange.
Yeah.
I was just about to say it was crazy to me when I realized that we were in the same time zone.
Right.
Like because if you go once you hit the capital, Tallahassee, it goes to Eastern time.
It's just nuts because I've been to Michigan so many times and it's an hour ahead.
But then when Ken and I looked on the map, we're like, well, duh, because the earth is round.
It makes sense that it kind of widens towards the bottom.
Yeah.
It's really weird.
That is really weird.
I don't know.
I'd like to go over there.
We went when we were much younger.
We were four.
I think four or five.
That was the very first time that I ever realized or I guess mom realized that she gave me her
motion sickness because I got so sick on the plane and they didn't know what it was, but
mom is like chronic motion sickness.
Yeah.
And I remember that the only thing I remember from that trip was laying down in the airport,
like on one of the couches is I was so sick.
You don't remember knocking out Cameron's tooth?
With my knee?
With your knee.
I didn't know that was the same trip.
I do remember that.
It was, yeah, it was right after you almost got hit by a car running through the parking
lot.
Awesome.
Jesus.
Reckless child.
I mean, do as the locals do, right?
Just become crazy Floridians.
Right.
That's awesome.
Is all of Texas, does all of this, this might be a stupid question.
Is all of Texas, does it have the same time zone like the whole state?
Yes.
Is there really?
It's not a stupid question because it takes eight hours to get across like horizontally.
So it's not a stupid question, but yeah, we're all in the same time zone.
Alabama is the same because I'm actually from Alabama.
So like where I live is the central time zone, but like my, I have family members that live
like up in North Alabama and they're in the Eastern time zone too.
Huh.
That's really insane.
That's so weird.
Yeah.
It's like El Paso is like the farthest West city that we have and it's right by Arizona
and like where New Mexico and Arizona kind of meet.
That's like what starts the mountain time.
Yeah.
Because Colorado is like right above that.
So we're like right on the cusp essentially in El Paso, but El Paso is actually it's not
eight hours across.
It's like probably 10 because we're eight hours from El Paso right now.
Yeah.
Or maybe more than that because we're six hours the other way.
I don't know.
It's a long way across.
At least four hours to four or five hours to Lake Charles, Louisiana.
No, it's six.
Yeah.
Six.
So it's 14 hours across.
No.
Florida's long enough.
Florida's East West.
Yeah.
Because it takes like when we go to Orlando, it takes me about seven hours.
Hmm.
Yeah.
I misspoke.
Now that I think about it, it's 14 hours because we're almost in the center in the middle.
It's six hours to Lake Charles and then it's eight hours to El Paso.
It was about 12 to 14 to go across the entire state horizontally.
Well, it's going to Google it because we've lived here for 30 fucking years and we don't
even know.
It's too massive.
Can we just break it in half?
Yeah.
It's huge.
Just break off.
Yeah.
I just looked it up too because I'm like, how so basically if you go like to the Everglades
National Park, which is almost at the end of Florida, it's takes like it would take
me like nine, 10 hours.
That's crazy.
And you're very north Florida?
Yeah.
Like northeast?
Northwest.
Oh, oh, duh.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
About 12 to 14 hours.
Okay.
See, I'm glad I corrected myself because I sounded really dumb into a bunch of other
Texans in the beginning.
No, you did it.
So, and I think I told you I've been to the airport in Texas.
Well, no, I was in Texas for like a few days, but I haven't done any like big Texas stuff.
I didn't know that.
I know that Taylor was born here.
She said she was born at.
She's one of the air force bases here or one of the military bases here in San Antonio.
But you were here as well?
Just for like a couple of days, just like a little vacation thing in San Antonio or in
Texas.
I went to the San Antonio airport.
Oh, yeah.
I went to like a little just like a little friend camp thing.
I don't remember where exactly in Texas it was.
So it was like in the middle of nowhere, but it was a few hours from San Antonio.
That could literally be anywhere.
Right.
But not too far.
Yeah, exactly.
You have still been next to San Antonio.
Well, thanks.
I'm gonna go to Dallas DFW and George Bush Airport many times.
Gotcha.
Yeah, well, thank you.
Cause I mean, obviously the listeners don't know much about you as well, but I feel like
we didn't know all that about you either.
And I think if I'm not mistaken, this is you and Coel's first time talking like via
mobile talking.
Yeah, absolutely.
Cause I've like sent her, you know, like she'll post something on Instagram and I'll
be like, like she posted something to Jeff Goldblum and I was like, I fucking love Jeff
Goldblum.
It was my friend's couch, right?
Wasn't it?
Yeah.
Like he only gets better with age.
So true.
Yeah.
I wish I could meet him.
He's definitely on my top.
I think I would die.
Probably.
Yeah, same.
I wouldn't fan girl for a lot of people, but I think I would just be like in awe.
I just, I don't know what it is.
Well, he's a taller dude, of course.
I like tall, like tall, nerdy dudes.
So like Joel McHale or Steven Merchant, everybody gives me shit for that one.
Conan O'Brien.
I'll take Conan O'Brien.
That makes me think of that.
I don't, Kenna, you probably haven't seen it.
Coel, you probably, Sugar and Spice.
Do you remember that movie?
I'm Sugar and Spice.
The one with the big afros?
No, it was like Cheerleaders and they robbed the bank cause the one's private.
I'm thinking of something.
I'm thinking of an episode of that story.
Are you the useful train?
Okay.
But one of them is obsessed with Conan O'Brien.
Oh, that's funny.
No, I don't think I've seen that.
Sugar and Spice.
It's funny.
It's really funny.
I think it's, if I'm not mistaken, I think Hillary is like right in between our ages,
so it's like a perfect like middle, I think.
I'm not going to ask you how old you are.
I'm 35.
I don't care saying I'm 35.
Yeah, I'm 35.
No, I'm 32.
Yeah, I'm 28.
So yeah.
I'm 28 in a month.
And Taylor's your age.
28.
Is she?
What's your zodiac?
I'm an Aries.
You're an Aries?
Okay.
You're April, early April?
10th, yeah.
Yeah, her birthday.
10th?
I actually told her happy birthday this year.
Interesting.
Yeah.
I don't know anything about the zodiac, but people have told me that March Aries are
terrible and April Aries are good.
My like entire dating record is Aries, so I think you're in good hands here.
Yeah.
My boyfriend is an Aquarius.
Oh, really?
Do I know any Aquaruses?
Was Cameron an Aquarius?
No, Cameron's an Aquarius.
No, she's not.
I'm a Capricorn.
Oh, you're right.
You're a Capricorn.
I'm a Capricorn.
No, then she's a...maybe she was an Aquarius, I don't know.
Aquarius is...
I don't know the signs.
I know my sign and I know Casey's sign.
Right.
When's your boyfriend's just a month?
What's February?
Okay, yeah.
Oh, it's still pretty close.
Yeah, Aquarius.
She was the 29th of January.
Yeah.
Wait, January.
That makes sense.
Well, I am a diagnosing killer for all your zodiac signs.
Yeah, it's diagnosing a zodiac sign.
There you go.
I am a cancer and Casey's a Leo and supposedly cancer and Leo are best friends, so really.
That's cute.
Yeah, it's really cute.
We're in a world.
It's really cute.
Also, me and Hillary have figured out that we're dating the same person pretty much.
Oh, really?
Like, her boyfriend and Casey are like very similar in what we know about them.
I literally told him before this, I was like, no turkey calls, okay?
Because she's the one that was on the podcast when you were doing all those stupid turkey
calls and you embarrassed me.
You embarrassed me.
So, I'm quiet this time.
That's totally Casey.
Yeah, that's Casey.
I think I might have said this on Lady when I was the guest, but Casey was over here the
other day and then your son was like, hey, Casey, do you want to hear my duck call?
And Casey was like, oh yeah, bud.
And then your son goes, come here, duck.
Come here, duck.
Right, it's the air.
That's hilarious.
Oh, it was so funny.
Casey could not stop laughing.
I was on a TikTok and it could not come out of my head, like at all.
So I taught my son.
What do you call a blind deer?
No-eyed deer?
Yeah.
Oh, that's a good one.
I let say a deer with no eyes.
It's like too obvious.
I couldn't remember what it was, so I just said that.
No-eyed deer.
The punchline is no-eyed deer.
Yeah.
I have one if y'all want to hear another corny joke.
Okay.
What do you call a guy with a rubber toe?
I don't know.
Rubber toe.
Every time you hear rubber toe, all you can think of is the water boy.
Rubbo toe.
Yeah.
So one time someone told me a joke and it was like, what do you call a dude in the middle
of the ocean with no arms and no legs?
And I was like legitimately was like dead.
And they were like, no, Bob.
I just nailed that same vertical well.
And I was like, oh, dead.
And they're like, oh my god, no.
No.
They were offended.
Bob.
I'm like, I don't know.
I thought I was good.
I don't know which one's worse.
What do you call a guy with no arms and no legs on your front porch?
Matt.
Oh.
Did you make that up?
No, I heard that one before.
Oh, okay.
God, this is terrible.
This is like a terrible D.A.K. live.
I should put like a disclaimer off.
Don't listen if you hate pet jokes.
No, this is great.
It's been a day.
I've been watching that Natalia Grace documentary.
Oh my god.
Have you been watching it?
I figured you would.
That's why I held it in until we could talk about it because I figured you might have
watched it.
It might have been me slapping my legs.
I thought I heard like the door open.
Also, again, we all know we don't stop.
We don't pause.
We don't edit on these.
So cool.
I was blowing her nose.
Yeah, it might have been my bottle opening.
Oh, no, I don't know.
Yeah, I'm in episode three.
Is there only three episodes or is there a fourth?
I think there's four.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm in the latter half of the third episode.
It's just blowing my mind.
I know.
And it gets to a point where it's like, okay, the little girl is not the problem here.
Right.
The parents are douches.
That guy is such a douche.
Is he not like...
I was just watching it and I was like, oh, hmm, this guy is a lot.
The way he was speaking to her in the apartment and he's like, where'd you get the donuts?
And she's like, I'm not even kidding.
Where did you get the donuts?
And she's like, I don't know.
I found them in my cabinet and he's like, huh, that's funny because I didn't buy you
donuts and me and what's her face are the only two people that buy you groceries.
So where did you get the donuts?
And she's like, a neighbor brought them.
Why would she do that?
Yeah.
And she was like, hmm, well, you do lie a lot.
So...
Yeah.
He goes, yeah, well, you do lie a lot.
Damn.
I feel like this is all spoilers over here.
It's just...
He's so mean.
That's the adoptive dad?
Adoptive dad.
And they like move her into this apartment because they think that she's like an adult.
And so they...
But she is.
Is she?
I don't watch them.
I know.
You have to watch it.
But isn't she?
So they like move her into this apartment and so they just like sequester her there.
She's got like a food stamp card.
But the whole thing is the fact that she has a very...
She has dwarfism.
So she can't really take care of herself even if she is an adult.
And then it's like...
And they made that point later.
Yeah.
Like in the trial, they were like, we need to go from that stance.
That's so awful.
It is awful.
Just reminds me of that one documentary about that boy that pretended like he was the mis...
It was like that man that pretended like he was the family's missing boy and came to
live with them.
Yeah.
That'd be interesting.
Have you...
Or the woman who said she was in the towers of 9-11 and she wasn't.
Have you seen that one?
What?
You haven't seen that one?
I haven't even heard of that.
It's on Netflix.
It's really fucked up.
The woman who wasn't there or something like that.
Yeah.
What the fuck?
Who thinks of these things?
She went on a forum and came up with this whole story that she and her fiancee worked
in the towers and he died.
And she survived.
And she lived.
And she's reaching out to all these survivors and like, oh, I totally understand how you
feel because of this and that.
She would get with the survivors in groups with them and mourn with them.
Yeah.
Like there is something seriously going on up there.
That takes a particular type of person, right?
It takes a particular type of mental disorder.
And that's absolutely horrendous.
It's like people, I mean, I've heard it before too.
People that have claimed that they are going through chemotherapy or they claim that they
have cancer or that they're pregnant and they try, ultrasound that they just find on
Google or whatever.
That's just scary.
Like, squirrel ultrasounds?
Squirrel ultrasounds.
Man, that's a squirrel.
Oh my God.
That's so awful.
Wow.
Speaking of squirrels, I was watching Stuart Little before we sat down to her.
I know, but it just reminded me and it's such a bizarre movie.
Like I only got like 25 minutes.
I've seen it before a thousand times, but I haven't seen it in a while.
It's Michael J. Fox as a mouse with speakers and a car.
Well, no, George is the only one that knows what the fuck is up because he's like, he's
not my brother.
He's a mouse.
No, he's not.
Don't touch your brother that way.
Come on.
Yeah.
Yeah, seriously.
And I didn't, that's so funny that you say that's Michael J. Fox because of course it
is now that you say that I remember that, but I was also thinking as I was listening,
oh my God, that's the same guy that voices Chance from Homeward Bound.
Oh, thank you.
And of course it's Michael J. Fox.
Because I literally was thinking who it was.
Yeah, I was thinking because Stuart Little of course has the same voice as Chance, but
I was like, who is that guy that you reminded me?
Of course it's Michael J. Fox.
Shadow.
I mean Peter.
Oh my God, stop.
That's the worst.
I love that movie.
I watch that movie when I want to cry.
Like if I feel like I need to cry, but I can't get it out without a reason.
You just fast forward to the end.
No, I watch the whole thing.
Just wait for Shadow to come out from the middle.
I'm doing the arm.
I can't help but do the arms.
He's limping.
Did you watch the, did you ever watch the sequel when they were in San Francisco?
No, I didn't.
I'm very weird about sequels.
I don't think that they're going to be as good.
Is it good?
It's a good one.
It's good as always.
I think I watched it more than I watched the first one.
If you watched Home Alone in New York, you got to watch this one.
Well, yeah, Home Alone 2 lost in New York, The Height of Luxury.
For sure.
That's the better one.
No, the Height of Luxury is from John Mulaney.
He's like, I remember seeing him getting the stretch limo with a large cheese pizza.
He's like, this is the Height of Luxury.
He's like, now I live in New York.
It sucks.
New York's nice.
I want to go back to New York.
Have you been to New York, Hillary?
No.
I think the only time I would want to go would be Christmas time.
I think it's because of that movie.
Yeah, we went in January a couple of years ago, Ferco Wells' birthday, and it was beautiful.
It was fucking freezing, but it was beautiful.
And it only snowed twice when we were there.
And I was like, does it ever snow where you guys are?
Once.
Texas gets snow sometimes, doesn't it?
Like parts of Texas.
But where we're from, it's very rare, and if it does, it doesn't stick because it's
so hot on the ground, but we did have snow vid in February of 2021.
Snow vid.
And we got 24 or 26 inches of snow over the course of like two or three days.
And this is the first time.
It's crazy.
That's the first time it snowed more than like two inches since like 80, or 87 or something.
So no.
Answer your question.
It doesn't.
It gets cold.
And people, I think we have some people that are friends of ours that are Northern people
and they get surprised every year that they're like, wow, it's really cold.
But it just doesn't snow.
It's probably the humidity or something.
If you go about an hour north towards Austin, then they sometimes get snow almost yearly.
Well, I mean, even round rocked up to Waco, like they get snow almost every year, and
that's like two and a half hours up like north.
It's not even that far, but we just aren't so lucky, I guess.
But honestly, I don't know.
I'm so acclimated to the heat now.
Like the heat index was 111 today.
It doesn't bother me at all.
And I know, yeah, you're saying over there.
Do you guys have, I know that you guys run off the coast as well, but would you consider
it to be like extremely humid down there?
Or I feel like it for some reason it would be less like it would be more of a dry like
tropical rather than like, no, it's pretty humid.
Sometimes I know I had someone I know from France visit one time and she like stepped
off the airplane and was like, I feel like I can't breathe.
Oh yeah.
No, that's definitely a shock to the system.
It's like breathing.
And then like when I went to, I went to Thailand and we were in the jungle and everybody's
like dying and I'm like, it feels fine to me.
Koel's going to cry right now.
You just love me.
I want to go to Thailand so bad.
It's fine.
It's really fun.
Did you get to see elephants?
Yeah, but I feel bad about it now.
I love elephants.
Elephants are my favorite animals.
I do love a Thai elephant over an African elephant.
We're just cute.
Yeah, we rode the elephant we rode.
His name was Annie and I think she was like 30 or 31 years old.
Oh my gosh.
So sweet.
Yeah.
I love that for you.
I would say, you know, that's awful.
And of course, I don't believe in, you know, in prisoning animals, you know, only for
a reservation, not reservation, but it's just a different culture, you know.
Yeah.
And like retrospect, I look back and I'm like, I kind of wish I wouldn't have done that,
like, because they can say all day that, oh, we rescued them, but you don't know.
Yeah.
I have a difference of opinion.
I know.
Can I go hunting?
Well, so does Hillary.
My boyfriend does too.
Oh, okay.
Well, I'm not going to say for Hillary.
Her boyfriend does.
It's different with deer, I guess population control or something.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Wait, do you guys have a bunch of deer down there?
I act like Florida's like a foreign fucking country.
White tail deer to be exact.
That's so stupid.
It's like the same year.
I was literally, yeah, I was talking to a hunter and I was like, yeah, her boyfriend's in Texas.
What kind of deer do they have?
He's like, I think they have mule deer and I'm pretty sure they have white tail deer.
We have a white tail.
We have axis.
We have black buck.
We have mule deer.
We have.
I'll tell him.
I'm like, what about the different things?
I was like, well, what about turkeys?
He's like, well, they have the something something turkey or they call it the Rio turkey.
Here we have the Osceola turkeys down south and up in the north we have.
And I'm like, okay.
I love it.
See, that's, I love, like sometimes if I want to just hear Casey talk, I'll ask him a very
simple question like that and he'll go off in this long tangent on something.
And I'm like, I love you.
You tell him when we go fishing, like I don't fish, but I'll wire it on the boat with him
on like the river.
And the whole time I just ask him stupid questions.
I'll be like, do we have badgers in Florida?
And he's like, no.
I'm like, what about wombats?
And he's like, no.
I'm like, what about just name random animals?
Or if I really want to get him going, I'll be like, hey, can you tell me what the cold
war was about?
Like, what was that?
What was that?
And it's like drunk history.
Like he's not even drunk.
He's sober as fuck, but it's like drunk history.
So these guys were fucking assholes.
And then they were trying to fuck with these guys and are also assholes, but like they're
bigger assholes.
I love it.
Florida has cute squirrels.
They're like those black squirrels with the smaller tails.
We have black squirrels here, though.
Every once in a while.
They just not very common.
No.
I didn't know our squirrels were different.
Yeah.
I remember feeding them.
When mom took us to Florida, we would feed them.
See, I don't remember anything about that.
I know when I went to Colorado, I loved it because there were chipmunks running around.
Oh, I love Colorado too.
And I was like, ah, people are like, what?
It's just chipmunks.
I'm like, we don't have these.
They run around like squirrels there.
Yeah.
And then I was dating my ex.
He was from Maryland, and I went up there to go visit him.
What?
He said he was from Maryland.
He is from Maryland.
Well, he's back in Maryland.
But I went to visit him, and he had a park near his house, and we went and what is that?
I don't know.
I think it's on Hillary's end.
Oh, okay.
It's raining here, so I think it was just thundering.
Oh, okay.
We were walking through the park, and we saw, I didn't know what it was.
I thought it was a beaver.
I was like, oh my god, is it a beaver?
He's like, it's a groundhog.
I was like, that's a groundhog?
I didn't realize it was that big.
Are they flat on their chest?
I feel like they kind of flatten out like flying squirrels.
They kind of do, yeah.
But they're huge.
They look, I was like, I've never seen anything that big before.
The biggest thing that we have was like prairie dogs.
You know?
Yeah, and we barely see those.
I thought groundhogs were a little bit bigger than prairie dogs, but smaller than a beaver.
No, they're like beaver size just with a small tail.
I'm like, no tail.
It's getting cute, actually.
He was like, no, stay away from their assholes.
I was like, really?
I was like, it's massive.
It reminded me of like, Ponyo, Ponyo, my old cat, not my old cat, but it's my cat that
it now lives in Maryland.
When I was working in the finance biz, I had a co-worker named Joe, who's my assistant
manager, but I would frequently be in the car with him because we would go to people's
homes and get them out of debt and stuff.
But we would spend a lot of time in the car together.
All of the things, he's from New York, Long Island, all of the things that I would teach
him over the course of like five months about Texas, I swear to God, there was something
that we were out in the St. Hedwig, so really vast country area, really big pieces of property.
We're driving down this rural dirt road, and I saw something run across the road.
I go, oh my God, I think that was a road runner.
He goes, hold the fucking phone.
I was like, what?
He's like, that's a real animal.
I was like, yes.
He's like, Wiley Coyote, that thing?
I was like, yes, that's a real animal.
Yeah, and you think that UTSA's mascot is just non-existent?
I mean, a lot of them are.
And he was so mind blown that a road runner was real.
Yeah, that'd be crazy.
I'd be like, stunned to see a road runner.
They're really fast.
It's hard to see them.
They're very fast.
They look like big insects, they run so fast, and they just are just one height.
And they blend.
Yeah.
They're ashy, sandy color.
But they're little.
They're really little.
Yeah, they're really cute though.
They're cute.
Aw.
But yeah, I just thought that was so funny.
And then he was also just baffled about the amount of things that people have on their
properties that are shaped like Texas.
He's like, damn, y'all are fucking obsessed with yourselves like Texas.
Everyone has Texas shaped things.
I'm like, yeah, it's a cool shape.
I saw a hand towel today and tell me what y'all think of this.
Hillary, do you consider yourself to be a religious person?
No.
Okay.
Either way, this even offended me.
And I'm not a religious person.
It was a white hand towel that in black writing said, rumor has it God is a Texan.
And I found that to be so weirdly, strangely sacrilegious and I didn't know why.
It was like pushing it.
It was like, first of all, Texas wasn't here.
I mean, the fact that a lot of people portray Jesus as white could also be considered like
hmm.
That's very strange.
Isn't that weird?
Yeah, that would kind of like throw me off and be like, what the fuck?
I think that's just for all of our listeners to really understand the pompous attitude
of some Texans that believe that our state is the best state.
Yeah.
It's like Kanye, loving Kanye.
It's like Texas loves Texas.
Yee.
Yee?
Kanye.
Anyway, that was a cool little knowledge booster there.
You guys tuned in to DAK Live to listen to us talk about animals and Texas and Florida.
We're learning.
States and animals.
Yeah.
Sounds like geography class over here.
What's your state animal?
Is it an alligator?
You know what?
I don't know.
Let me see.
What's ours?
Because I'm not originally from Florida.
Are you really?
Where are you from?
Alabama.
Oh, you said that.
The first state bird is the hummingbird.
Yeah.
State bird, yeah.
But I don't know if it's an animal.
In Alabama, the bird's a yellow hammer.
What's a yellow?
Rammer, jammer, yellow hammer.
Yellow.
The Florida state animal is a panther.
What?
The Florida panther.
A panther.
That's not a thing.
And then the bird is a mockingbird.
Oh, same as ours.
Do we say marking bird?
No, hummingbird.
No, it's a mockingbird.
A mockingbird is ours, too.
I said hummingbird.
I know.
No, I'm sorry.
I misspoke.
Texas bird.
State.
The blue flower is a yellow rose because I got it tattooed on me.
Yeah, a mockingbird.
Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Mississippi, and Arkansas all have the same.
Well, she just said Florida, too, didn't she?
I said Florida.
Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Mississippi, and Arkansas.
Right?
I can't hear today.
I don't know what's going on.
Yeah, we have the yellow rose of Texas.
Well, it's a blue bonnet.
The blue bonnet's the state flower.
Silly.
Yeah.
Alabama's flower is a chameleon.
A chameleon?
That sounds fun.
I've never seen one of those there.
I figured it would be in Azalea, Texas, 1901.
Damn.
Well, I have a blue bonnet tattooed on me as well, so it's fine.
It works.
Are you thinking of the yellow rose that type the song?
No, I'm just not very smart.
No, don't say that about yourself.
No, I am smart.
I know.
So, Hillary, I would like to know a little bit about your personal background with mental
illness slash mental health.
I mean, work-wise, education-wise, not personal stories.
Yeah.
So, I've just always been interested in it.
I don't have a cool story as to why.
I've just always thought it was really interesting.
And I've worked in mental health for about nine years.
Wow.
Girl.
Now, nine or 10.
Nice.
Yeah.
But like I said, I don't have a cool story as to what inspired me or led me.
I've just always found it really, really interesting.
Yeah.
So, but you would consider it like a passion of yours, though.
Yeah.
Because I feel like I'm a very open-minded, non-judgmental person.
So, I feel like I can see all different sides of things.
So, I'm definitely not judgmental when it comes to the stigma of mental illness and whatnot.
Do you consider yourself to be like an empath?
I don't know, really.
Yeah.
Maybe sometimes.
Yeah.
Depends on the situation.
Yeah.
Yeah, I feel that.
Yeah.
I'm definitely an empath like through and through.
And I like, even when situations like it's almost to a fault where like I can't help
it and I want to turn it off, but I can't.
Yeah.
And then it just like consumes my mind sometimes.
I feel like I lack that.
I really do.
I feel like on my insides, I feel like I can of course listen to someone and give them
my advice.
But if you want like specifically a shoulder to cry on, that's kind of hard for me.
Like to get there.
I feel like I used to be better at it, but I feel like the older I get, the less empathetic
I am.
But maybe I'm going to be fucking senile when I'm old.
Leave me alone.
Get off my lawn.
Yeah.
It depends on the situation.
I feel like I'm going to be myself easier to empathize with, you know, some stories
and whatnot, more than others kind of thing for sure.
I get that.
I mean, for the most part, like the people that we talk about, and it's funny that you
said earlier, Hillary, like there's only so much information you can find on a certain
topic because sometimes like I will find someone that I really want to bring to the table.
But if there's not enough information on it, I'm not going to take on the case.
Right.
But I want to know what went wrong, why did this person do, or maybe even just speculate
on like maybe there's one tiny thing that I can look up and find.
Maybe that did it.
But that's something that I, this helps me when I do choose my cases is to kind of look
for that factor of like, okay, what can I relate to and pinpoint to where like maybe
in another world I could have helped in that situation.
So that's, I don't know, that just inspires me with the people that I write about.
Yeah.
Which is...
Because then you can be like, oh, there it is.
Yeah.
That's for everything.
Exactly.
And that's why when we do episodes for the listeners, I'm sure that you've realized
when I say the diagnosis, I say it so like matter of fact.
And then he got diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.
There it is.
And yeah, just as an example, but yeah, so definitely empathy and it sucks honestly.
But then I did tell you the other day that I don't take those things with me when I read
about cases.
I'm much more like it hurts me more internally when it's someone that I know personally.
Even if it's someone I don't really care for, I still like think about things over and over
and over.
No, I carry them more after like certain aspects of the case afterwards, but not like...
I thought that was interesting when you guys were talking about that because I'm kind of,
I'm like, I don't really carry it with me either.
Like I can't think of anything that's really like stuck out that I'm just like, God, I mean,
of course everything's terrible, but there's not.
I can't think of anything that I really like.
Just continue to be like, oh my God.
For me, it's like, do you ever like date someone and then they're driving like a Buick or like
a LaBaron or something.
And it's a car that you never really had recognized before.
But then after you stop talking and you break up, for all of a sudden, like you keep seeing
LaBaron all the time.
That's the way it is with me.
So it's like someone will be wearing a Danny Phantom shirt and it reminds me of Randy's
stare or, you know, just little things like that.
Yeah.
I mean, I get what you're saying like that.
I mean, that kind of happens to me to like something will remind me of a case that we
did, but it doesn't bring me back to what I've researched the case or when we did the episode
in the case.
I don't know.
I just feel like one of my defense mechanisms is to like somehow in my subconscious be able
to put things out of my brain and like forget about things.
Like I could guarantee you, I can't even tell you like the first four people I did on the
podcast.
Yeah.
And I researched them the whole way.
I obviously did a lot of research.
I would have to go back and look.
Obviously, I know I did Andre Thomas.
You did Andre Thomas.
But I would have to go back and look.
Wang Xiong.
No, I remember them all.
Like I just.
I remember them all.
And no, you did Kristen Gilbert.
I know I'm saying I remember the first four.
Yeah.
It was.
Okay.
Scott Peterson's number four.
I know that.
But if you talk about like the teens, like not something that's significant like the
beginning and then the most recent.
Something in the middle.
In the middle.
Yeah.
Like I have to literally go back to see if I've done the person before that I'm like
researching because I just forget.
Yeah.
You know, that sounds bad.
I was like, just forget.
What were you going to say?
Hillary?
Sorry.
No, I said, I remember them all.
I just, I don't know.
I guess.
I don't know how to.
I feel bad saying, well, like, oh, they're just stories because they're not.
Yeah.
But at the same time, it's just like, I don't know.
Like I said, I can't.
They don't really.
And things stick with me.
Like I'll see something and be like, oh, that, like you said, like somebody wearing a
Danny pan.
I'm sure you're like, oh, that reminds me of Randy Stair.
Yeah.
But then I don't like, oh, Randy.
I'm just like, whoa, look out for it.
Randy Stair, whoa.
That's so funny.
Oh, can we talk about the fact, by the way, now that we've done both, that you guys both
did Elliott Rodger as a case.
Can y'all please discuss?
Because I would like to hear each other's thoughts on each other's episode.
That's so.
I texted kind of shortly after and I was like, how much of this crap do you think he just
made up?
Did you like watch any of his videos?
Did you watch a lot of his videos?
I had before, but I pretty much just stuck to reading his manifesto.
Yeah.
But like the whole throwing the coffee, like you mentioned, no one's ever come forward
and been like, I was that person he threw coffee on.
And like, how did he not get his ass beat?
Like way before.
And he's a little, he's a little dude too, so it was.
So yeah, it wouldn't make sense.
It wouldn't make sense in my mind.
Like nobody ever caught up with him before.
Right.
Do you think that he like purposefully made that up to make it seem like again, more of
a reason for doing what he did?
Or do you think that he was just so invested in the thought of like wanting to do that?
He kind of mistook that for like reality.
I don't know if he knew and then mistook it for reality.
I feel like it's something maybe that he thought he always wanted to do.
And by saying that he did it, I don't think anybody's really going to question it.
And I think that, especially in the case of the manifesto, that I think for the sake
of storytelling, I think he wanted to us seem like it was escalating.
You know what I mean?
Of course.
Because he needed an excuse to do what he did.
And like, I think I said in our episode two, like, I wish we kind of knew how he really
felt at the time he talked about those things.
Because there's like in my head, I'm like, there's no way a five year old really felt
how he was saying he felt at five years old.
Right.
Or even three.
Yeah.
Like a five year old's not thinking those kind of things.
Surely like.
I totally agree.
I think that a lot of it was again, inflation.
Again we have to remember he's 22 years old writing this and he is angsty and he's pissed
and he just wants to again make it seem like there's a reason or an explanation and escalation
to what happened.
And so, yeah.
Listening to his videos, watching his videos, me and kind of talked about that on the podcast
before that I do seek out someone's voice because I want to know what they sound like.
And for me, I think part of the reason I take Elliot Roger with me is because he is on the
list on the autism spectrum.
I think it's very clear when you watch him and you see him and the way he holds himself
when he talks like this is just very cartoony.
I remember literally, I remember watching one video and he literally says something and
he goes, hmm, hmm, hmm.
Like he laughs like a villain on a cartoon.
Yeah, exactly.
And he's like, Elliot Roger here.
Like it's like, okay, we don't know who you are.
We haven't sought you out on your YouTube channel before.
We know who you are.
You don't have to see it every time.
Yeah.
But it's almost like he's taking his social cues from all the other sources.
Exactly.
Such as cartoons.
Anime.
Or yeah, maybe other people that he's met.
It's one of those things and that is actually something that is known about autism spectrum
disorder depending on where you are on the spectrum.
You do take those because it's kind of harder for someone on the spectrum to create their
own social cues.
So they just intern mimic.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So that makes a lot of sense though that he would kind of just pull from it and not
even realize that it's like other people are aware that that's what he's doing.
It gave him like, I wish to.
Sorry.
Very good.
I wish too that like there was like his friends or somebody, people like that from the past,
we could have known more from them because I would have liked to have known his friends'
opinions of everything.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Because I really couldn't find any friends saying like, yeah, we hung out and he was
cool.
I never thought that this was going to happen.
Yeah.
Because he had friends most of the time up until like college, I think.
Right.
Yeah.
And I think it was James being his last remaining friend that, you know, he just, which had always
been kind of his virgin buddy, I guess.
And when James started kind of pulling away from that and was like, yeah, this was like
kind of funny and it made us feel better about like, oh, we don't need girls.
Like we have video games and like movies and, you know, we can become cultured young men.
We don't need all of that.
When Elliot took it so seriously and I think that James, when he started getting older,
was like, okay, maybe I do want to go explore more of the world.
Maybe I might want to have a successful relationship and I can't continue to be around you if you're
just going to make me feel bad about it all the time.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So.
And I asked my boyfriend too.
And he said, I was like, I feel like me and my girlfriends were never like, oh, you're
still a virgin.
What a loser.
Yeah.
So I was like, are boys really like that?
Like, honestly, did you and your friends like really where you go like, oh, you're still
a virgin?
And he was like, I mean, kind of, yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's a lot of pressure for a guy, you know, I think especially more than it's like
women are expected to be pure, pure beings, but men can just do whatever they want.
And of course.
So yeah, I do feel like there, he probably felt that pressure.
And I think it was more because he didn't fit in.
He felt like that was the way to fit in and then not be.
And I think that that's probably why he, why Elliot Roger just honed it on that so hard
about being the reason why he wasn't popular or why, you know, he became an obsession.
And you know, I, like I said on the episode, I could say it until I'm blue in the face
that it wouldn't change the fact that he is and was very seriously mentally ill.
Yeah.
It just, I don't, I can't get behind the whole, like the whole manifesto in my opinion is
just a giant excuse for him doing what he did.
He made himself feel the power that he felt like he wasn't gaining.
Like essentially again, it's that whole fake it to make it or fake it to the whatever,
right?
So you become it.
He, you know, he's driving around this college town videoing these girls as they're like
walking to and from college parties and he's like, they have no idea what I'm about to
do, you know, things like that.
And I think it gave him so much, it gave him a false sense of control or power.
Like I know what's going to happen in Union.
Yeah, exactly.
And he, I think he just ran with it until he killed people ultimately, which is awful.
That is awful.
That was a heavy topic.
Oh, it runs into that, that TikTok that you showed me about that girl.
Yeah.
I love that chick.
I need to find her.
Hillary, do you know that one attorney lady where she's got the sunglasses and she reads
the courtroom?
I'm doing the glasses right now.
I don't think so.
She reads like courtroom transcripts that are just ridiculous.
So it'll be like, judge, do you know the reason why you're in court today?
And because I kicked someone's cat, you know, like just weird stuff.
Yeah.
Anyways, someone had commented, she had talked about, I didn't see where the original post
came from, but she had talked about school shootings and someone commented and said,
oh, like you really know what that's like.
She was a sorority girl during the Isle of Asta massacre that was perpetrated by Elia
Roger and her sorority was actually across the street from the sorority that those girls
have been shot.
That's crazy.
And just like, imagine if they would have opened the door when he was walking.
Oh my God.
That's what I said.
I was like, those smart girls because like they knew something was wrong and they didn't
or whoever was behind the door didn't have to be the girls, but whoever was in there
knew it didn't sound right.
Our cats are freaking out.
I'm gonna open the door.
But it's gonna be a little bit loud when I stand up.
I also have to blow my nose.
So I'm gonna do that.
Actually, I can mute this microphone.
Give me one second.
Okay, I'm back.
Oh my gosh.
That little button's a little lifesaver.
Oh my goodness.
My cat was meowing at the door earlier.
I thought I was gonna have to get up and let him in, but he quit.
Oh, Shami.
Hi, boy.
Say something.
Say, Shami.
You had a lot to say when you were outside the door.
Yeah.
What's it doing?
Oh my goodness.
Such a scaredy cat.
That's our forever kitten.
I can't hear Hillary.
He's so small.
Hillary, do you have any animals?
Yeah, I have my cat Denny.
He is my entire world.
What is he named after?
Warcoholics.
I thought you were gonna say Denny-Duket.
Which one's Denny?
They got a cat in one episode and they named him Denny's.
Oh, that's cute.
So is that his collar that I hear?
I feel like I'm hearing a bell.
It might be Seamus' collar, but it also might be Denny.
I don't know.
No, Denny doesn't wear a collar.
Oh, okay.
Well, that's definitely Seamus, and he is a very vocal cat.
He's gonna have to be in the room.
He didn't used to be.
He used to be really, really scared.
Come here.
Why?
So pitiful.
Anyway.
What was that noise?
He sounds like a human.
Hillary, speaking of sounding like a human, did you listen to that one episode where it
sounded like someone was going shh-shh-shh behind me?
Yeah, but I was in my car.
Okay.
So I didn't hear it as much.
It's so clear.
I listened to it after we posted.
Yeah, Ty said it freaked it out.
It's so clear, too.
I have to listen on my phone with my headphones.
Yeah, and like I said, I was just, I had it in my car through the aux cord or whatever
so I can really hear it well.
It's free.
Not all the time do we air sometimes when that happens to us, but I think we should a
lot more because I find it really interesting.
It happens a lot.
So it happens at least.
Really?
Yeah.
We've edited out plenty of times where we've heard it, but then when you play it back,
you can't really hear it.
Yeah.
And then especially you couldn't hear it if it was like in your car or something.
So we just take it out.
Is your house wanted?
Maybe.
Potentially.
Hopefully.
Yeah, we don't, we didn't know.
Because I know you said you guys have lived in the same house for like ever.
Yeah.
32 years almost.
Yeah.
That's cool.
A long time.
30 30.
Yeah, 32 years.
She was like trying to do the math was like 31.
How do you all select what cases you want to do, Hillary?
So that's like a question.
I am.
Well, you know, we ask for suggestions.
Well, so when we do them with Morgan, because Morgan is a baby, she there's a lot of them
that she hasn't heard.
So we'll save kind of like the popular ones, so to speak for her like Jaminé Ramsey or
Susan Powell or like she had literally never heard of Jaminé Ramsey.
And that's kind of what started the podcast too.
That was the first one I listened to obviously first episode, but that was the one that kicked
it off.
And I was like, Oh my gosh, I like these girls.
They're nice.
They're funny.
And that episode was terrible.
So I'm glad it.
I think it was pretty good.
But the other stuff it just like sometimes it'll just be from maybe like an article I've
seen or I get books a lot.
I get a lot of our stuff from books because if you have Kindle Unlimited, you can get
they have a lot of true crime books on Kindle Unlimited.
So I get them from there or like, you know, shows like cold case files or, you know, just
all those ID channel shows.
Interesting.
I've gotten some from there.
There was a book recently.
Didn't I do who wrote a book that I did a case on recently or somebody did?
I'll be gone in the dark is Michelle McNamara.
But that was, oh yeah, that was my case.
I would love to read that one.
How do you guys pick yours?
I personally, we have two different methods for sure.
Like her and I personally, I will like listen to true crime podcasts a lot.
Like I have like four or five that I listen to regularly yours included.
And if I hear a story that I really like Joseph Callinger, for example, like I heard a podcast
episode about him like a few weeks ago and I mentioned in the episode that, you know,
oh my gosh, sorry.
Um, you know, if I if I hear a story that's very interesting to me via a podcast episode,
but unfortunately, the people that are hosting the episode, and it's not the theme of their
podcast to focus on the mental health part of it, right?
It doesn't make sense for them to do that.
But if they kind of gloss over, so to speak, the mental health aspect, I'll look like look into it.
And if it's significant, like a contributing factor, I find that very interesting.
Not only because it's an interesting case and I'd like to cover it for our listeners,
but also to shed some more light on that case specifically and on the mental disorder that could have
potentially caused the case.
Right.
So that's one of the ways.
I mean, of course, we've done some pretty big names.
Another thing that I at the very beginning, I literally used to just Google serial killer with mental illness or killer with
mental illness and I would go based off of the mental illness and then find someone from there.
I wouldn't find someone and then just hope that they were diagnosed.
Right.
Yeah, that's a good way for me personally.
I like to create a trail.
I don't know if anybody's caught on Louis, like I mentioned in the last episode, he binged it for an entire month.
Louis probably can see there's a bit of like, oh my gosh, she mentioned him here and then in two weeks he was here.
You know.
So I like to do a lot of that or just talking with hi, Seamus.
He is such a baby.
You are a baby.
Come here.
Sit down.
Be nice.
So I do that or if somebody had listened to a recent episode and said, oh my gosh, that case reminds me so much of blah,
blah, blah, blah.
And I'll look into it and if it fits and it fits.
Yeah.
So yeah.
We've done a couple of requests here and there though.
Definitely the listeners help out a lot.
Yeah, for sure.
Like that one we got from Norway was really, really cool.
It was a really interesting episode.
Lena was so nice and responsive and stuff with her request.
I feel like I had a request for you, Hillary.
You sent me one one time.
And I've got it down.
Did I?
Okay.
Yeah, I don't remember what it was.
Let's just go sleep in here.
Just sleep down.
Oh my gosh.
You're hitting all these chords.
I know.
I feel like it's always a cat that interrupts our DAK lives.
Every time.
And usually we would pause and not let you.
Is there another boy in here?
Yeah, there's two cats in here.
Oh my gosh.
Oh gosh.
Okay.
Hillary, do you have anything else?
It's about an hour in.
It's usually about the time that we wrap it up, especially when these cats are being annoying.
Not that I can think of.
It's really fun.
I'm I enjoyed doing it.
Yeah, it's kind of just like random banter.
We don't really have like an outline or like a topic list, but I think we talked about
some pretty good things.
Give us all your plugs, Hillary.
Oh, well, we, we don't have as many as you guys.
We just have the Instagram, which is at lady underscore.
You're scaring us.
And then just our podcasts, which is lady, you're scaring us.
And is that going to be on Apple and Spotify?
Oh, yes.
Yes.
And then we'll Spotify.
And then I think there's some other little ones like those two, but that's that's sprouted.
I think.
Yeah.
No, but sprouts.
Yeah.
That's what we like host through.
And then you just like pick a bunch of little other podcasts, you know, apps or whatever,
but yeah, Spotify and Apple are the big ones.
I did not know that we do ours through RSS.
Yeah.
I always love asking other podcasts how they record and what they, you know, use as far
as like equipment or how their setup is or where they, you know, what platforms they mainly
use.
So that's always so interesting.
I find that interesting.
Yeah, for sure.
So is there any chance that you guys are going to be at the podcast festival in Texas?
Fly all the way out here.
No, it sounds fun though.
I would, I would, but like our work schedules are kind of crazy.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, we're definitely.
Definitely.
I bet.
Talk, discussing earlier about how we can document some of that for all of our listeners.
And yeah, we're really excited.
So I think it's going to launch like a new era.
Yeah, I'm excited.
I'm excited for you guys.
I think it's going to be really cool.
I'll definitely want to hear about it.
Next year it'll be a little closer to you guys and then we'll fly out.
Yeah.
I mean, honestly, that's not too, too far.
Yeah, it's true.
Because last year it was in Chicago.
So who's to say it's not going to be in Florida next year or something.
Yeah, maybe we'll just face time.
You guys over there.
Yeah.
Yeah, we should do that.
Just give y'all a little bit of a little slide booth.
Yeah.
Well, thanks for joining us.
That was a lot of fun.
I'm glad we were able to do this.
Yeah.
Yeah, maybe we can do it again sometime and have like Taylor.
Yes, that'd be awesome.
That'd be awesome.
Now that we have this way of recording via Discord, we can kind of record with anyone
anywhere, right?
The possibilities are endless now.
Anybody in Australia hit me up.
Anybody from, what was it, South Dakota?
South Dakota.
We actually finally got our listener in South Dakota.
On you guys, were you upload?
Does it show you like locations of your listeners?
Yeah, it was a world map.
Isn't that crazy to look at them?
Like, do you ever just look at some and you're like, how did that even happen?
Oh yeah.
Singapore.
Yeah.
India.
I'm like, who was listening to us in India?
That's so cool.
Like how did you come across anybody that's listening to either one of our podcasts?
How did you come across our podcast?
Yeah.
Instagram, where you just on Apple Podcast and looked up true crime or something.
That'd be great.
Email us.
Collect a few of those emails and then have one Monday like dedicated to reading those
emails.
That'd be so cool.
That would be the move.
Yeah.
I agree.
Okay, well I think we're signing off.
Hillary, do you want to do the Love You By with us?
Sure.
Okay.
We'll see you in the next video.
3, 2, 1.
Love you.
Bye.