1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Hello! Hello! Welcome to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer, the mental breakdown. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:33,560 I'm Koelle and I'm Kenna. Welcome back! 3 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,560 I was going to say, didn't you just bang your knee a little bit ago too? 4 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:49,560 I have a giant bruise on the left side of my left knee. I hit it on something the other night because I had it for a few days and I hit it on the washing machine door earlier and it hurt so bad. It was right in that same spot. 5 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,560 Oh I hate that. 6 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,560 I know and my hip has been fucking killing me lately. 7 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,560 Sitting here is not going to help. 8 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:06,560 With the new job and stuff, I'm up and down all day and I'm lifting a lot so it's understandable that it's been sore but I'm definitely going to get back into physical therapy I think. 9 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,560 I was talking to my mom about it. 10 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,560 For those of you that don't know, Kenneth actually had surgery on her hip before. 11 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:12,560 Yeah, fuck it. 12 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,560 She had what did they call it? Dancers' hip? 13 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:16,560 No. 14 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:17,560 Didn't they call it Dancers' hip? 15 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:18,560 Not at all. 16 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:19,560 No. 17 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,560 Was that from a TV show? 18 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:21,560 Probably. 19 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:22,560 Thinking of a TV show then. 20 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:30,560 I'm going to tear in my left labrum which is the almost tendon that connects your joint to your pelvis, the socket. 21 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,560 I'm going to tear in that. 22 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:40,560 So they went in and kind of clipped it almost like they put bobby pins if you will on it to keep it together. 23 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:47,560 But my doctor did say that it's only 60% effective, like the surgery. 24 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,560 Honestly, I was in so much pain when I first got it done a couple of years ago. 25 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:52,560 Like 60% sounds great. 26 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:53,560 Exactly. 27 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:54,560 Like if it works, it works. 28 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,560 If it doesn't, it can't be any fucking worse than it is now. 29 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,560 But a couple of years later, it's getting back to the point where it probably was before. 30 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,560 So I don't know if I'll have to get surgery again or hopefully PT will help. 31 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:12,560 Because when I was on crutches, I went to PT for like six to eight weeks and it really, really started to help. 32 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,560 But then as soon as I got off crutches, I was like, fuck that. 33 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,560 I don't need to go to PT anymore. 34 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:17,560 Rongo. 35 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Nobody's going to want to date a cripple. 36 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,560 But yeah, so that's a little snippet about my life today. 37 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:24,560 What about you? 38 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:25,560 What did you do today? 39 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,560 I just hung out with my son. 40 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,560 He's experiencing some hearing issues. 41 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,560 Anyways, I'm going to take him to the doctor tomorrow because he's just like, huh, what? 42 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:37,560 What? 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:38,560 Like all day. 44 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:39,560 Sounds like a good guy. 45 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:48,560 And I'm just, well, I really, at this point, me and his other parents, we really think that there's something sinus-y going on. 46 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:49,560 E and T-wise. 47 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,560 So we're going to go get a flush tomorrow. 48 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,560 Ooh, he's going to love that. 49 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:54,560 He's going to get a cleanse. 50 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,560 And yeah, we were just running around. 51 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,560 We did a few errands and he was like, can we go to Thai chili? 52 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,560 And I was like, it's so funny because it's not that he likes Thai food. 53 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,560 It's that he likes the popcorn chicken. 54 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:08,560 Yeah. 55 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:09,560 Just like the little bits of popcorn. 56 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:10,560 I was like, he wants the popcorn chicken. 57 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,560 I'm like, baby, I can buy you a frozen bag of that. 58 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:13,560 Yeah, for real. 59 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:14,560 Tyson hit him up. 60 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:15,560 Actually, I don't buy Tyson. 61 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:16,560 Fuck them. 62 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:17,560 And then he lost his little tooth the other day. 63 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:18,560 I saw. 64 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:19,560 His front tooth. 65 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:20,560 Oh my gosh, she looks so cute. 66 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:21,560 So it's just that. 67 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,560 And then of course, you know, typing up some stuff, doing some research. 68 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:26,560 Opening my mail. 69 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,560 Opening your mail. 70 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:33,560 Bro, who gets mail from the attorney general's office if it's not like me. 71 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:34,560 Okay. 72 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:40,560 If you must know people listening, TurboTax apparently charged a bunch of people, their 73 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,560 customers, more than they should have. 74 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,560 Or they charged people for a service that should have been provided for free. 75 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,560 So I just got a refund for that. 76 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,560 So Dana said that she got one too. 77 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,560 So anybody that used TurboTax last year, they might send you one too. 78 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,560 And it was dated from last year. 79 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,560 So I'm anticipating to get one from this year as well because they charged me again this 80 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:00,560 year. 81 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:01,560 What? 82 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,560 This is just what I read on the letter, but just for future ref. 83 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:06,560 Yeah. 84 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:07,560 One of my biggest pet piece. 85 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:08,560 People open my mail. 86 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:09,560 Oh yeah. 87 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,560 Same. 88 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:11,560 I'm the same way. 89 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:12,560 I can't. 90 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:13,560 Yeah. 91 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:14,560 I was going to say, let me just open a piece of your mail. 92 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,560 How do you feel about that? 93 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:16,560 I loved what... 94 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:17,560 Somebody write me a letter so it kind of will open up the mail. 95 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:18,560 Right. 96 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:19,560 Because I don't receive any mail. 97 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,560 What I loved was that you texted me and said, can I open this? 98 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,560 And didn't wait for me to respond. 99 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,560 So when I said no, you were like, oops. 100 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,560 I'm like, why the fuck did you ask then if you already did? 101 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,560 Next time, wait for a response. 102 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,560 Well the thing was, I couldn't wait because I was in a dead zone and it wasn't sending 103 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:36,560 the message. 104 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,560 And I was like, fuck this, I'm not going to wait. 105 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:39,560 Oh my god. 106 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,560 And by the time I got back to my phone, I was like, oh it's sent. 107 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,560 And you were like, please don't do that. 108 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:44,560 And I was like, oops. 109 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,560 Sorry, thanks for that. 110 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,560 We got a new Patreon. 111 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:50,560 We did. 112 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,560 We did. 113 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,560 Alexis is a Patreon now or Patron. 114 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:56,560 Patron. 115 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:57,560 Thanks, Alexis. 116 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,560 And I now listen to a UK podcast by the way and they say Patrons. 117 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:02,560 The people on... 118 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:03,560 They do? 119 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,560 They do, they say Patrons. 120 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,560 I'm pretty sure Patrons is something that is definitely... 121 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,560 I don't know but they are from the UK and they say Patrons. 122 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,560 Not everybody from the UK also says urinal but some people say urinal instead of urinal 123 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:16,560 which is weird to me. 124 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:17,560 Urinal. 125 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,560 I feel like there's so much... 126 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,560 It sounds so much more... 127 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,560 So much more effort to say urinal than urinal. 128 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:27,560 I don't know. 129 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:28,560 I just like that they say pedophile. 130 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:29,560 The pedophile. 131 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:30,560 Yeah. 132 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,560 But anyway, Alexis, thank you so much. 133 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,560 I shot you a text so you know that I love you and we both love you. 134 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:36,560 But thank you because... 135 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:37,560 Thank you. 136 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,560 Patron supporters genuinely make a big difference in what we do. 137 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:42,560 Huge. 138 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,560 They really allow us to be able to maintain the website like we do, make the merch line 139 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,560 happen, continue to have an RSS account, things like that. 140 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:51,560 Of course. 141 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,560 So thank you guys and thank you to all of our existing Patrons as well. 142 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:55,560 And to future ones. 143 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:56,560 And to future ones. 144 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:57,560 Hit me up. 145 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,560 In the meantime you can check out diagnosingakiller.com. 146 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,560 There you can find links to merch and resources. 147 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:09,560 Catch us on social media anywhere at diagnosingakiller other than Twitter which is at killerdiagnosis. 148 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,560 Email us, rate us, buy merch. 149 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:13,560 Buy merch. 150 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:14,560 Merch really helps us out y'all. 151 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,560 Like seriously if y'all don't want to do the monthly Patreon or any of that other stuff, 152 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,560 buy a t-shirt or a sticker or something. 153 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,560 That is also a great way to show us some love and support. 154 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,560 And we do get, of course, a little bit of... 155 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:30,560 A little bit off the top. 156 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:31,560 Yeah, for sure. 157 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,560 Again, it all goes towards things just to put back into the podcast. 158 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:35,560 Of course. 159 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,560 We're not like going out to the bar with that shit. 160 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:38,560 No. 161 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:39,560 Nope. 162 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,560 And what's funny is that it does take like a few days to process all that... 163 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,560 To process all that stuff. 164 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,560 So yeah, it definitely helps out. 165 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,560 It's going straight back into this because we're passionate about it and we love it 166 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:51,560 and we love you guys. 167 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:52,560 So. 168 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,560 Absolutely. 169 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:54,560 Are you ready? 170 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:55,560 I think so. 171 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:56,560 You sure? 172 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,560 I'm actually in quite a bit of pain but you'll have to go. 173 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:59,560 Okay. 174 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,560 So, here we are going to be talking about Barbara and Richie Dixine. 175 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:03,560 Okay. 176 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:08,560 So, Barbara and Richie Dixine were a married couple living in Yonkers, New York. 177 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:09,560 Yonkers. 178 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:10,560 Yonkers. 179 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,560 Barbara and Richie. 180 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,560 Richie was a corrections officer for many years. 181 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,560 They found serial killers fascinating. 182 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,560 So over the course of 20 years, 183 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,560 Barbara and Richie corresponded with over 100 infamous killers, 184 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,560 including Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy, Richard Ramirez, and others. 185 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:29,560 Damn. 186 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,560 The couple would collect about 300,000 letters from all of these people, famous killers. 187 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,560 And you're going to read some? 188 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:37,560 I am. 189 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:38,560 Oh, that's amazing. 190 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:39,560 I know. 191 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,560 That's awesome. 192 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,560 Side note before you get started because I definitely am excited to hear all this without 193 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:44,560 interrupting. 194 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,560 Casey and I went to the Ripley's Believe It or Not Museum. 195 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,560 I think I said that on the last episode. 196 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:48,560 Maybe not. 197 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:49,560 No, I think you did. 198 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:50,560 Oh, I think we went Saturday. 199 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:51,560 So yeah, it wouldn't have been. 200 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,060 But anyway, we went to see it and they had a shirt that Charlie Manson wore in prison 201 00:07:56,060 --> 00:07:57,060 and he signed it. 202 00:07:57,060 --> 00:07:58,060 The shirt? 203 00:07:58,060 --> 00:07:59,060 It was a blue fray. 204 00:07:59,060 --> 00:08:02,060 It was like a blue button down, like a long sleeve button down. 205 00:08:02,060 --> 00:08:04,060 And Casey was like, damn, that shirt's kind of dope. 206 00:08:04,060 --> 00:08:05,060 Like a prison uniform? 207 00:08:05,060 --> 00:08:06,060 Yes. 208 00:08:06,060 --> 00:08:07,060 Because that's what they used to be like denim. 209 00:08:07,060 --> 00:08:08,560 Yeah, it was like a denim. 210 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,560 But it was like something that I would wear today, like Casey would wear today. 211 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,060 But yeah, it had a signature on like the pocket area, like the frocket area. 212 00:08:15,060 --> 00:08:16,060 That's so cool. 213 00:08:16,060 --> 00:08:17,060 I know. 214 00:08:17,060 --> 00:08:18,060 I was like, damn. 215 00:08:18,060 --> 00:08:20,060 Shirts like that also remind me of Ed Gein too. 216 00:08:20,060 --> 00:08:22,560 Because you guys were like a farmer's looking shirt, you know? 217 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:23,560 Yeah. 218 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:24,560 Yeah. 219 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,660 So Barb and Richie would actually portray themselves as like different types of characters 220 00:08:29,660 --> 00:08:32,760 in order to manipulate the killers, right? 221 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,500 So with Richard Ramirez, Barb pretended to be a stripper and even sent him photos of 222 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:42,560 like her like portraying a stripper, like photos of a different woman entirely. 223 00:08:42,560 --> 00:08:44,560 It's kind of fucked up. 224 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:45,560 Well, it kind of is like- 225 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:46,560 It's like a random lady. 226 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:47,560 It's a Richard Ramirez. 227 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:48,560 1980s catfishing. 228 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:50,560 It's kind of like get out and find her. 229 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:51,560 It's catfishing. 230 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:52,560 Yeah. 231 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:53,560 Essentially. 232 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:54,560 Could be fish, because I was that lady. 233 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:55,560 Yeah. 234 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:56,560 It's not creepy. 235 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:57,560 Oh my gosh. 236 00:08:57,560 --> 00:08:58,560 But he was eating that up though. 237 00:08:58,560 --> 00:08:59,560 Oh, he did. 238 00:08:59,560 --> 00:09:00,560 Yeah. 239 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:01,560 He's sexed drugs and rocking rural all night. 240 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:02,560 They would. 241 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:03,560 Or write his answer. 242 00:09:03,560 --> 00:09:04,560 They would, yeah. 243 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:06,560 Oh, we're going to get into something Richard Ramirez. 244 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:14,860 But yeah, they would essentially look at how or who they killed, what their like obsessions 245 00:09:14,860 --> 00:09:18,560 were or affinities were, and they would portray themselves as those people. 246 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:19,560 Oh my God. 247 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:21,560 Like I said, it's like serial killer catfishing. 248 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:22,560 It's so strange. 249 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:23,560 It's like a child. 250 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:26,560 And I bet the serial killer is like, especially like Bundy and the ones that are like really, 251 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:30,560 really bright and probably like, hmm, this might be a trap. 252 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:36,560 So Richie would actually portray himself to be gay to Gacy and to Dahmer as well. 253 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:37,560 Yeah. 254 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:39,560 Did he also portray himself to be like a child? 255 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:40,560 Gacy to Dahmer. 256 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:42,560 Oh, well, yeah. 257 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:44,560 That also comes up later. 258 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:46,560 Ew, that's pretty gross. 259 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:51,560 So Richie's closest pen pal was actually David Berkowitz. 260 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:58,560 They actually became very dear friends first writing to Berkowitz in 1992. 261 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:03,560 Richie said that he and Barbara also said that Richie had a very true friendship with David, 262 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:05,560 even visiting him multiple times over the years. 263 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:06,560 Which became homies. 264 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:07,560 They were just like BFFs. 265 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:09,560 I don't know if I could do that. 266 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:10,560 You don't think you could do that? 267 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:11,560 I don't think so. 268 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:14,560 I feel like I would be like always looking over my shoulder. 269 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:15,560 Yeah. 270 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:19,560 Even if they're in prison, like God forbid they escape or they get out somehow. 271 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:21,560 How do I know I'm really friends with them? 272 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:22,560 Right. 273 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:23,560 Or if they're just going to use you or something. 274 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:24,560 Yeah, exactly. 275 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:30,560 Richie was also in direct correspondence regularly with Susan Smith, the one that killed her 276 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:32,560 two sons, the one that drove the van into the river. 277 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,560 So everybody that we've ever done in the podcast ever? 278 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:37,560 It's so weird. 279 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:38,560 It's so weird. 280 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:42,560 And so apparently Richie and Susan talked so frequently. 281 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:48,560 Susan fell in love with Richard and actually thought that when she got out they were going 282 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:49,560 to get married. 283 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:51,560 That's how intimate their talks were. 284 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:53,560 And his wife was just cool with this? 285 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:55,560 Yeah, because she was also talking to someone else. 286 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:56,560 I forgot who it was. 287 00:10:56,560 --> 00:10:58,560 But she apparently had a... 288 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:03,560 Oh, it started with a B. I don't remember. 289 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:06,560 But either way, he was just as obsessed with her. 290 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:07,560 And like, yeah. 291 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:08,560 Isn't that strange? 292 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:09,560 Well, that is strange. 293 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:14,560 And it kind of sounded like in the beginning it was like maybe a couple that maybe were 294 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:18,560 similar to Michelle McNamara and... right, Michelle McNamara and... 295 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:19,560 Paten Oswald? 296 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:25,560 Not necessarily Paten, but Michelle, very interested in getting to know the people because of the 297 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:30,560 psychology, but now it kind of seems like they both might have what we talked about on 298 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:34,560 Lady, that weird obsession with bad people, like pillars or whatever. 299 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:35,560 I don't know. 300 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:36,560 Just like, because it kind of seems like they're... 301 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:40,560 Like, yeah, they might be portraying this character to get these people to open up to 302 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:42,560 them more, but it also kind of seems like they might be enjoying it. 303 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:44,560 Like, if they're having that intimate of conversations. 304 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:48,560 The thing is, is like, it is kind of a bit of insight into like who these people were 305 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:50,560 or are. 306 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:52,560 And I don't know. 307 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:57,560 You get kind of caught up in it, maybe, but for the most part, I think it really is just 308 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:00,560 something that nobody else has ever done before. 309 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:01,560 That's true. 310 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:04,560 You know, and so more letters just keep the letters coming, you know? 311 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:08,560 I mean, it's just... who gets to say that they do that, you know? 312 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:09,560 Yeah, and that's super interesting to me. 313 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:13,560 Like, in this moment to hear about it, again, I probably could not do that. 314 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:14,560 Yeah, I probably could. 315 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:17,560 I wouldn't be interested in... I would be like freaking out if a serial killer like 316 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:18,560 knew my address. 317 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:19,560 Yeah. 318 00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:21,560 Well, they might have had a PO box, I don't know. 319 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:22,560 Still. 320 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:25,560 Unfortunately, Richie would pass away in 2018. 321 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:26,560 Oh no. 322 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:30,560 So now these conversations are actually documented on a podcast called Killers Vault. 323 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:36,560 It's actually hosted by Elizabeth Rahm of Law and Order and narrated by Eric Roberts. 324 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:39,560 They are on every single platform. 325 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:41,560 It's only been a seven-part series. 326 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:46,560 It came out in 2021, but they do read these letters and go over... 327 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:47,560 Yeah. 328 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:48,560 That's really cool. 329 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:49,560 It's really interesting. 330 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:52,560 You want like an Uber-a-deep dive into what we're talking about now. 331 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:53,560 Okay, cool. 332 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:54,560 Absolutely. 333 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:55,560 It's called Killers Vault. 334 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:56,560 Okay, cool. 335 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:58,560 I'm really interested in listening to it. 336 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:03,560 Barbara told the New York Post, quote, if you look at most of these serial killers' 337 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:06,560 childhoods, they never really had any love. 338 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:10,560 I think that they thought that with us, here's someone's willing to show me love and I'll 339 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:13,560 try it with them, end quote. 340 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:14,560 I mean, it's very true. 341 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:17,560 A lot of them have very shitty childhoods. 342 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:23,560 So Richard Ramirez, aka the Night Stalker, who we have done a case on, he actually killed 343 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:25,560 13 and raped several others. 344 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:31,560 In one letter, Ramirez asked Barbara to send him pictures of her feet and once wrote about 345 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:37,560 Hillary Clinton, quote, her cows and ankles are definitely healthy, end quote. 346 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:38,560 Okay. 347 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:41,560 There's just something about Hillary. 348 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:43,560 Like he's got a big thing for Hillary Clinton. 349 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:44,560 Rose. 350 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:45,560 Or did, I guess. 351 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaking of Richard Ramirez, complete side note. 352 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:51,560 I don't know if you saw something went down at the Cecil Hotel yesterday. 353 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:55,560 There was like either someone threatening to jump or something, but there was like someone... 354 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:56,560 It was on TikTok. 355 00:13:56,560 --> 00:14:01,560 Someone was recording the hotel and it was surrounded, they had stop traffic. 356 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:04,560 It was surrounded by cops and ambulances and fire trucks were coming too. 357 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:08,560 I never followed up and looked at like exactly what happened and honestly, it might have 358 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:09,560 been a video from a while ago. 359 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:11,560 But I did see it the other day. 360 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:12,560 Yeah. 361 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:14,560 We're going to have to look that up. 362 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:19,560 So again, Richard Ramirez corresponding with... 363 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:20,560 What were their names? 364 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,560 Barbara and Richie, my bad. 365 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,560 His name's Richard and the other guy's name's Richard. 366 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:26,560 I'm like, what's his name? 367 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:27,560 It's Richie. 368 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:28,560 Yeah. 369 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:34,560 So they actually sent Richard Ramirez a questionnaire to like fill out. 370 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,560 It's not the same one that I showed you recently, right? 371 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:38,560 And with the one... 372 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:39,560 No. 373 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:40,560 Oh, okay. 374 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:41,560 It's a different one. 375 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:42,560 I'm sure there's plenty. 376 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:43,560 Just to make sure. 377 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:44,560 How many times, right? 378 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,560 He's been asked specific questions. 379 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,560 So the perfect man or woman? 380 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,560 Superman or Wonder Woman? 381 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:52,560 Wonder Woman. 382 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:53,560 Wonder Woman. 383 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,560 Yeah. 384 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,560 Superman or Wonder Woman. 385 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,560 I don't know why. 386 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,560 Because they're all powerful maybe? 387 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,560 Yeah, because I guess they're super ripped, I don't know. 388 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,560 Favorite childhood hero? 389 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,560 Jack the Ripper or Frankenstein? 390 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,560 Yeah, the one that I had said Jack the Ripper, but it didn't say Frankenstein. 391 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,560 So it's obviously a different one. 392 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,560 But yeah, childhood hero Jack the Ripper. 393 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,560 And it's not Frankenstein the Doctor? 394 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:20,560 Yeah. 395 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:21,560 Because it's Frankenstein's Monster. 396 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,560 Yeah, the Monster is not named Rickens. 397 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,560 His name is just Monster. 398 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,560 Let's make that very clear for everyone. 399 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:31,560 Favorite movie, Unforgiven? 400 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,560 I don't know that movie. 401 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:34,560 I'm probably going to sound so daft. 402 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,560 Well, I don't know that movie either, but I guarantee you he's like, 403 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:38,560 I'm unforgiving. 404 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,560 So I relate to it. 405 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:41,560 There's something. 406 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:42,560 He's trying to be all like... 407 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:43,560 It's about puppies. 408 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:44,560 Yeah. 409 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,560 Yeah, like he's trying to be all deep and it's not even that important. 410 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,560 It is a Clint Eastwood movie that came out in 1992. 411 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,560 Damn, Casey's going to be so mad at me for not knowing that. 412 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,560 He's probably going to be fucking pissed. 413 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:06,560 Every January 1st, I resolve to be more of an asshole than I already am. 414 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,560 Okay, he's just a fucking troll. 415 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:14,560 He's like an internet troll, IRL. 416 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,560 IRL. 417 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:21,560 Nobody knows I'm more depraved than they think I am. 418 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,560 Nobody knows. 419 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:24,560 Depraved? 420 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:25,560 Depraved. 421 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:26,560 Does he... 422 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:27,560 Depraved. 423 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,560 Does it deprave mean like missing things? 424 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,560 Like you're depraved of food or depraved of love? 425 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:33,560 No, he's... 426 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,560 Well, no, that's deprived. 427 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:36,560 Oh, deprived. 428 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:37,560 Deprived. 429 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:38,560 Hello. 430 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,560 Depraved meaning like how low and how shallow I am. 431 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:42,560 Like how... 432 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:43,560 You know what I'm saying? 433 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:44,560 How bottom barrel I am. 434 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,560 Yeah, pretty sure everyone knows that, Richie. 435 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:47,560 Thanks. 436 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:48,560 Thanks, Rich. 437 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:49,560 Rich. 438 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:50,560 Rich. 439 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:51,560 Ricky Ram. 440 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:56,560 What I don't like about people, a lot of things. 441 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,560 Deep. 442 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:58,560 Is this... 443 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,560 I thought this... 444 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,560 Is this not Elliot Roger? 445 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,560 My biggest fear. 446 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:06,560 None. 447 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,560 Of course not. 448 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,560 Friends like me because... 449 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,560 Who needs friends? 450 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,560 I was gonna say it's probably like I don't have any or something stupid like that. 451 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:17,560 Friends are dumb. 452 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,560 You're literally filling this out for a friend. 453 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:21,560 Seriously. 454 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:22,560 Who needs friends. 455 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:23,560 Who needs friends. 456 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:24,560 Like it fucking is, right? 457 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,560 I might as well just crumple up this piece of paper then. 458 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:28,560 Yeah. 459 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:29,560 Why even respond? 460 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:35,560 If I were an animal, I'd be a panther. 461 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,560 Personal goals in life, none. 462 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:39,560 None. 463 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,560 Well, I mean, where's he gonna go? 464 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:42,560 He's on death row. 465 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,560 Well, you'd think it would be like, kill as many people as possible. 466 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:47,560 Yeah. 467 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:48,560 Favorite number? 468 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:49,560 666. 469 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,560 69. 470 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,560 Political views. 471 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,060 Crazy anarchy question mark? 472 00:17:55,060 --> 00:17:56,560 Whatever that means. 473 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,560 He's like answering his own question. 474 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:00,560 Shit. 475 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,560 He just needs to make up his own question. 476 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:03,560 He's like, crazy anarchy? 477 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:04,560 That guy's a nut job. 478 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:05,560 Whatever that means. 479 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:06,560 That guy's crazy. 480 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:12,560 I don't know what that means. 481 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:18,440 Born and brewed in Southern California since 1963, the coffee bean and 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That's fucking hilarious. 494 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,040 What are you thinking now? 495 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,960 Evil thoughts, evil doorways. 496 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,960 He's trying to sound crazy. 497 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,000 He's trying to sound scary and he just sounds dumb. 498 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,000 He does. 499 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,000 He sounds dumb enough. 500 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,080 Anyways, that's Richard Ramirez. 501 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,400 That's hilarious. 502 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,160 That might be the same questionnaire that I saw, but I definitely didn't have the same 503 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,160 answer. 504 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,640 It was probably much longer maybe and there's different excerpts of it. 505 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:30,800 Yeah, for some reason, what I don't like about people, a lot of things. 506 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:31,800 Sounds familiar to someone? 507 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,920 And the Jack the Ripper was definitely on the line too. 508 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,200 Either way, it's super fucking interesting and if anyone missed that episode that I talked 509 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,920 about it in, here you go. 510 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:44,800 So John Wayne Gacy, aka the Killer Clone, was convicted of killing 33 young men and boys 511 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,520 between 67 and 78. 512 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:48,520 That was a rough case. 513 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:49,520 That was a really rough case. 514 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,920 I'm pretty sure I explained every single guy that went missing or boy that went missing 515 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,160 and it was just drowning. 516 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:02,680 And then the way that he would stack them on top of each other was really, really nuts. 517 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:08,200 Gacy sent one of his final letters to Richie before his execution in May 1994. 518 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,840 Gacy was upset that Richie had yet to fulfill some promises. 519 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,560 Quote, end quote. 520 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,360 So this is from the letter. 521 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:20,840 Quote, you have failed to keep your word with me for the past few months, always saying 522 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:26,120 that you're going to send me more revealing photos, etc. or just the younger ones. 523 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:28,320 And yet your word is for shit. 524 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,960 I still have not gotten one. 525 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,320 So why keep saying things to me if you don't intend on keeping your word? 526 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,920 How soon are you coming out? 527 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:41,000 Hell, I have been hearing it since last August and you're still not here. 528 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,260 Almost as bad as you not sending those photos. 529 00:20:43,260 --> 00:20:46,080 So get with both and stop making excuses. 530 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,600 No more I can't find them or I forgot. 531 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,120 Hell, if you mean what you say, then just do it. 532 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:52,280 It would make me happy. 533 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,280 End quote. 534 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:54,280 That's fucking disgusting. 535 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,720 Isn't that fucking gross? 536 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:02,000 And also, if for any reason he was ever given a trial to appeal, that should have been admissible 537 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,480 because that's fucking telling that he is not changed at all. 538 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:06,480 No, absolutely not. 539 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,200 And he probably added at the end, P.S. call me the Colonel. 540 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,680 Call me the Colonel. 541 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:16,640 P.S. you have to call me the Colonel if you show up. 542 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,200 I want a VHS tape of you. 543 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,200 Yeah, he just signs it. 544 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,200 The Colonel. 545 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,600 Yeah, isn't that fucking creepy? 546 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,400 So when you said that earlier about, well, I thought he liked young boys, the fact that 547 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,360 he's asking a grown-ass man for younger photos of himself. 548 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:30,520 Yeah, that's fucking creepy. 549 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,680 It's fucking gross. 550 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,560 In a previous letter, Gacy complained about another issue he was having, quote, unquote. 551 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:38,560 Quote. 552 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,600 Yes, I am over the flu. 553 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:41,600 Thank God. 554 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:46,240 Hell, while I had it and I was taking pills, I couldn't get hard, so no jacking off for 555 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,640 over 10 days. 556 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,560 Hey, you've been using that hot oil treatment for other areas, so you will be nice and smooth 557 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:53,880 too. 558 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,720 So fill me in on those hot fantasies of what you're expecting of me. 559 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,640 Hey, I aim to please and teach you as much as I know if you're a good student. 560 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,640 End quote. 561 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:12,840 I only hope that the flu was awful and his dick almost fell off. 562 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,200 I was actually thinking when you said he was experiencing another issue, I was literally 563 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,200 going to say like impotence, but I didn't say anything. 564 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,520 And then I was like, oh, LOL. 565 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,480 No, I'm sorry. 566 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,480 Like, ED is not something to joke about, but in this case, fuck that guy. 567 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,480 No, fuck that guy. 568 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,480 He deserves ED. 569 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,480 Yeah, he needed a cast. 570 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,480 He deserves no D. 571 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,160 He needs the dough special. 572 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,160 That's so gross. 573 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,160 Jesus. 574 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,040 The deluxe dough treatment, please. 575 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,120 He is so gross. 576 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:46,080 Like, do you think he thinks he's talking to a younger boy or do you think he knows that 577 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,080 this guy is this age? 578 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,840 I mean, he's asking just for your other pictures. 579 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:50,840 I don't really know. 580 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,160 I'm sure that you'd probably go over in that podcast episode because they do have a specific 581 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,160 AC case. 582 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,160 I don't know. 583 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:02,880 I think that maybe he might know that he is that age or maybe he portrayed himself as 584 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:03,880 somebody younger. 585 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:04,880 I don't know. 586 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,360 See, that's even creepier if you think that Richie like portrayed himself to be 22 already 587 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:10,360 or something. 588 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:11,360 Yeah. 589 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,440 Because he was already in his 40s or 50s. 590 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,800 So well, maybe not, maybe 40s. 591 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,760 But to portray yourself already as like a 22 year old and then he's like, show me younger 592 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,760 photos of you. 593 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:21,760 Yeah, that's fucking gross. 594 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:22,760 Fucking gross. 595 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,760 You know what would be really interesting if someone, and I'm sure that it's happening 596 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,680 somewhere in the world, but just to put it out there, if someone were to do this like 597 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:36,080 today with people that are convicted of certain crimes like rape or murder, things like that, 598 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,760 but maybe have a chance at parole later in life and then be able to use these letters 599 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:46,640 if and when this person would try to appeal to show like, look, this person is not reformed 600 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,160 or not any better than they were when they got arrested or you know, whatever. 601 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,160 Yeah, absolutely. 602 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,160 I totally agree with that. 603 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:58,960 I think that if maybe, if not for any other reason, maybe that's why Barbara and Richie 604 00:23:58,960 --> 00:23:59,960 did this. 605 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:00,960 Yeah. 606 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:06,560 So that if someone were to be up for parole or a lesser sentence or an appeal or whatever, 607 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:11,560 that they could take these in and say, you know, in lieu of a victim impact statement, 608 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,640 this person clearly has all of these same tendencies that they had. 609 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:22,000 Thankfully, a lot of these people are death row inmates because they're just so awful. 610 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,360 They never plan on changing because they don't have to. 611 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:25,560 They know they're not going to get out. 612 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,560 Exactly. 613 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:27,560 But that's what I'm saying. 614 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:33,080 Like it would be kind of a cool thing to be able to show like if this person truly is, 615 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,680 you know, again, reformed. 616 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,080 It's almost like the, to catch a predator like when a person that is clearly over the 617 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,640 age of 18, you know, in our eyes, proposes as a younger girl doing the fucking Lord's 618 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,920 work and then they get these pedophiles off the street. 619 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:47,920 Of course. 620 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:48,920 Yeah. 621 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:55,480 David Berkowitz, aka son of Sam, who terrorized New York from 76 to 77, was the closest to 622 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,600 Richie, like I mentioned earlier. 623 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,080 And you can really hear it in a well-wished letter that Berkowitz sent Richie in January 624 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,080 of 2003. 625 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,080 Okay. 626 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,360 Quote, Hi Richie. 627 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,600 I hope this letter finds you doing well under the circumstances. 628 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,080 I have been praying for you and I believe this year we'll have some nice things in store 629 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,080 for you. 630 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,520 My heart does go out to you Richie at your loss, but I have asked the Lord to show you 631 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,120 mercy and comfort in your heart. 632 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:25,760 I have your letter dated December 23rd and I want to wish you a happy birthday. 633 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:31,000 I have no card to mail out, but you know that my birthday wishes were with you. 634 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,400 You asked me for a photo and then you asked me to draw a picture of myself, what I look 635 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,400 like. 636 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,560 For some reason, this put me at Ile's. 637 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,440 I know you were kind of joking, but it spooked me. 638 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,760 I don't think that you understand what I go through and the pain and grief that I have 639 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,720 over my heart and over the past. 640 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,840 And even 25 years later, the media still chases me around. 641 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,920 I am ashamed of the past and I want to move on. 642 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,640 I have a fear that some people write to me for other motives. 643 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,720 If it were not for God's grace, I wouldn't make it. 644 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,220 End quote. 645 00:26:05,220 --> 00:26:08,960 Those are a few quotes that were I took from the letter, because the only other parts he 646 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,280 was talking about was like the jets and stuff he was talking in sports. 647 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:17,720 So I think that Berkowitz is a lot different than Richard Amiris and John Wayne Gacy and 648 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:23,240 the fact that he is very seriously mentally ill and I truly believe that it did cause 649 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,680 his crimes. 650 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:31,240 I think that he's probably been asked to draw himself by numerous therapists and psychiatrists 651 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,800 to see how he thinks of himself in his mind. 652 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,160 And that's probably very scary to him. 653 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,600 Because one of the things that I've seen interview-wise with patients that are on the 654 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:47,080 Skit to Friend spectrum or do have psychosis of some sort or psychotic disorder, they draw 655 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,360 very real, raw, almost scary images of themselves. 656 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:56,320 And I think that might be where he was like, that made me feel a little uncomfortable. 657 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,200 I don't know what other people's motives are. 658 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:03,320 I really hope that was like a good motive on your end and not sinister or whatever. 659 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,320 Right, exactly. 660 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,320 And that kind of hurts my heart. 661 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,320 I know. 662 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,320 I think that's really sad. 663 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,480 It was really interesting to read the letter. 664 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,880 It's typed out very well and he's clearly a well-spoken individual. 665 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,280 I'm sure he's learned quite a lot in just being incarcerated. 666 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,720 And again, that him and Ritchie had a very deep friendship and it was a friendship that 667 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,920 lasted a long time, I want to say like 12 years. 668 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,560 And Berkowitz actually cried when he realized that Ritchie had passed away. 669 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,040 I mean, that's how close they were. 670 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,040 They were really close. 671 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:42,960 So I can see that maybe this letter would have been after some time of knowing each other, 672 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,080 but maybe not after knowing each other for so long. 673 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,080 I don't really know. 674 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,960 I mean, it's a 2003 and I think they stopped corresponding in like 2005. 675 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,200 So I don't know how close they were versus whatever. 676 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,600 Either way, he was clearly uncomfortable and he voiced that. 677 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,680 And like you said, it's almost like, I hope that's not what's going on. 678 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,880 It's kind of sad that that's kind of what's going on. 679 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,880 Yeah. 680 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,880 Well, and that shows me how much he's progressed in his mental illness, whether or not he's 681 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,880 being medicated correctly behind bars, we don't know. 682 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,760 But clearly the routine is helping him enough to even be able to voice those concerns because 683 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,040 someone that is suffering from schizophrenia disorder like he was usually isn't able to 684 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,480 voice those concerns because they have so much other stuff going on inside their mind. 685 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,920 They don't even recognize sometimes that that's what's happening. 686 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:37,320 So the fact that he's able to understand that that might be he might be being manipulated 687 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,480 and voice those concerns shows me that he's made a lot of progress. 688 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,480 Yeah. 689 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,480 Had at this point. 690 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,080 And then kind of politely declined, honestly, instead of people like Ramirez saying, let 691 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,520 me give them as much shocking material as possible. 692 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,320 This is good for my image. 693 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:57,840 And I think that's the difference in serious mental illness and like, well, not serious 694 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,360 mental illness because they're both very seriously mentally ill, but the difference in the types 695 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,360 of diagnoses that they have. 696 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,360 Yeah. 697 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:10,600 Differentiating between something like schizophrenia spectrum disorder and somebody who has a narcissistic 698 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,600 personality disorder. 699 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,600 Exactly. 700 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,040 It's just different types of disorders. 701 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:20,360 And it's hard, yeah, because both people can be completely reformed and can make progress 702 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,880 in their diagnoses. 703 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,400 But again, it's how you treat it. 704 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,400 It's how you begin, you know, treatment. 705 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,080 If you're getting treatment, they're both in different prisons. 706 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,080 Who knows? 707 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,080 Right. 708 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,560 Maybe Berkowitz was fortunate enough to get help with a psychiatrist and treatment and 709 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,560 Richard Ramirez wasn't. 710 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,560 Right. 711 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,600 You know, we just never know and we're not going to, which is unfortunate. 712 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,480 That's why it's so important to get help early on. 713 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,480 That's my last point. 714 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,480 And be supportive of the people around you as well. 715 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,840 Like, you know, if you know that somebody that's experiencing that, somebody, you know, 716 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,240 a loved one that's going through that and to be supportive of that, Richard Ramirez never 717 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,240 had the support. 718 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,240 Yeah. 719 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,880 Berkowitz kind of had the support. 720 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:01,720 He had, you know, some loss and some grief and some trauma at a young age, but he was 721 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,280 taken in by people that cared about him, you know? 722 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,280 Absolutely. 723 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,920 So he did somewhat have that support. 724 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:16,120 Jeffrey Dahmer, who was convicted of 16 murders, most notably eight some of his victims, even 725 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,760 keeping some body parts, was not bashful when it came to writing Richie Back in March of 726 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:22,760 94. 727 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,360 I'm waiting on you to do an episode on him. 728 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,360 We'll see. 729 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,360 I'm passing it along to you. 730 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,360 I'm not going to tackle that one. 731 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,280 Quote, Dear Richard, Hello, how are you today? 732 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,680 You got to do it in the accent. 733 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,680 Dear Richard. 734 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,040 Okay, that's all I needed to thank you for. 735 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,920 I got some rotten meat in my freezer. 736 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,760 Hello, how are you today? 737 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,240 I just received your letter this afternoon and thought that I would write back. 738 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,080 It's always nice to get mail from someone new. 739 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,200 I'd like to get to know you better, but with all of the mail that I get, it's difficult 740 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,640 to know who I should respond to. 741 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,960 So in your next letter, would you please send me some really good photos to help your letter 742 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,080 stand out in the crowd? 743 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,720 You said you're a bodybuilder. 744 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,720 That's good. 745 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,640 I'd like to see every unclothed muscular inch of you. 746 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,440 I'm allowed to keep any type of photo except Polaroids, so don't take pictures with Polaroid 747 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,200 cameras, okay? 748 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,040 Well Richard, thanks for writing. 749 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,920 I'll be looking forward to hearing from you soon. 750 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:29,920 Sincerely, Jeff. 751 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,920 End quote. 752 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,920 You always went by Jeff. 753 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,400 Ugh, the bitch. 754 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,400 Ew. 755 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,120 I like that Richie goes by Richie and he said Dear Richard at the beginning. 756 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,640 Like I hope you're doing well. 757 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:41,640 No the fuck you don't. 758 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,480 You just want to see that guy's dick. 759 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,480 Dear dick. 760 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,480 Dear dick. 761 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,280 Can I see your dick please? 762 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,680 Dick dick dick dick dick. 763 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,680 Sincerely dick. 764 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,960 No, that's really gross though. 765 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,960 Nah, that ain't me. 766 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,680 Yeah, it's pretty gross. 767 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,120 He said it's, he thinks he's manipulating him. 768 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,120 You know what I mean? 769 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,280 No, not all serious if that was pretty aggressive. 770 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,880 No, yeah. 771 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,160 You can hear the narcissism in that letter. 772 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,800 He thinks he's smarter than him. 773 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:16,800 He thinks he's smarter. 774 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,240 Oh, I just need to like have some pictures so that your letter kind of stands out like 775 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,240 I'm helping you. 776 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,080 I have so much fan mail. 777 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,960 I have so much fan mail. 778 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,400 Help me sift through it by sending me sexy photos of you, you bodybuilder. 779 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,760 Every unclothed muscular inch. 780 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,760 That's so gross. 781 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,560 That's so gross. 782 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,880 He just sends in like a picture of his calf. 783 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,840 That's all he gets back to. 784 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:43,840 Just a calf. 785 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:44,840 Just a big toe. 786 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,360 Oh, Richard Ramirez would like that though. 787 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,920 Yeah, isn't that creepy? 788 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,920 Dear Richard. 789 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:50,920 Dear Richard. 790 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,400 I like that he's like trying to manipulate him. 791 00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:01,480 Then he tries to compliment him kind of and then he's like making demands like no Polaroid 792 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,800 so no, but no Polaroid because I won't be able to keep those. 793 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,560 So, you know, here's the guidelines. 794 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,560 Here's the rules. 795 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,560 Here's my rules. 796 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,520 Just follow each of them every every direction. 797 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:10,520 But that's the thing. 798 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,520 That's what he was used to. 799 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,520 Yeah. 800 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,840 When he was out in the free world, he was able to manipulate and control a lot of the men 801 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,440 that he hung out with because a lot of them were in the closet. 802 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,320 A lot of them were not openly gay men and neither was himself. 803 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,960 So he was able to kind of use that. 804 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,280 They were usually much younger than him. 805 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,000 So he was able to use that. 806 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,600 He would supply them with drugs and alcohol. 807 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,080 He was able to use that. 808 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:37,440 There's a lot of things that he did with his victims that were based on control and manipulation 809 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,120 and he thinks he can still do that. 810 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,880 Yeah, he's like talking his way into it or like having an excuse for everything. 811 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:44,880 You know what I mean? 812 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,240 Fantastic excuse for everything. 813 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,760 This is why I am the way that I am. 814 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,120 And then of course if he never hears from this guy ever again, he's not going to care. 815 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,640 He's going to go on to the next victim. 816 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,560 He's going to wait until someone is able to be manipulated and just does what he says 817 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,480 because they're like, oh my god, you're Jeffrey Thummer. 818 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:00,960 It was definitely one of the creepier ones. 819 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,520 Yeah, that is really creepy. 820 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,920 Charles Manson, who was convicted of seven counts of first degree murder and conspiracy 821 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,880 to commit murder, often rambled in his writings and they were wrought with misspellings, tons 822 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,440 of misspellings throughout his letters. 823 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,320 It's so wild to me that he got charged with first degree murder and he never murdered 824 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:20,320 anybody. 825 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:25,840 God, that just shows how controlling and manipulative he was. 826 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,080 He was there, I think, one or two of the crime scenes while the murders were being committed 827 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,320 but I don't think he ever touched anybody. 828 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,040 Not even like, you know, accessory or anything. 829 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,080 It was, no, you get first degree fucking murder. 830 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,080 We're making sure you never get out. 831 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,800 Seven counts. 832 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,040 Seven prostitutes. 833 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,640 And she convinced Manson that he was actually a manager of a strip club and that Barbara 834 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:51,400 considered Manson to be certifiable, which is her word specifically. 835 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,280 Like he's certifiably nuts, like crazy. 836 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,280 He's certifiable. 837 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,120 That's the way she would describe him, which is what she said, not what we said. 838 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,920 Just to let you never better know. 839 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,160 One of these letters is as follows. 840 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,680 Mind you, it is almost completely illegible had I not found a transcript for this because 841 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:15,480 it cannot read his handwriting and even then whatever has been deciphered is also very choppy. 842 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,280 So bear with me. 843 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,560 Quote, Richard, it's always good to hear from you. 844 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,920 I've been a few years working out of the hole again. 845 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,520 Oh, well. 846 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,880 When the other tell me and make up stories they want to believe because it adds to their 847 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:36,480 job importance, I get to go over the same old, same old so I can turn the circles and 848 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,320 the chains of command. 849 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,080 Find your number and I'll call you. 850 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,120 I know you've been used by some people who call me brother and one day maybe it'll catch 851 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,120 up. 852 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,320 You and I are still solid as far as I'm concerned. 853 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,320 I did ask a good friend to help me and I explained. 854 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,720 We'll be in contact. 855 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:52,720 Easy. 856 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:53,720 Charles Manson. 857 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:54,720 P.S. 858 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,960 If I get out, could you get me a job as a bouncer? 859 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:57,960 End quote. 860 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:58,960 L.M.A.O. 861 00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:59,960 That's hilarious. 862 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:00,960 I'm really gonna break your neck. 863 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:01,960 God. 864 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:02,960 He's never even touched me but he was like, I'm gonna break your neck. 865 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,960 I'm gonna break your neck. 866 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:04,960 I'm gonna break your neck. 867 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,960 I'm gonna break your neck. 868 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:06,960 I'm gonna break your neck. 869 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,320 He's never even touched me but he wants to be a bouncer. 870 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,320 I know. 871 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,480 Apparently he used to hang out at the CBGB though, which was like a club. 872 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,480 No, he thinks you can just like stare at someone and then they'll just do what he wants. 873 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,480 Yeah. 874 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,480 That's what he did. 875 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,480 Yeah. 876 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,480 He's not gonna bounce anybody. 877 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,480 He's gonna manipulate them to be bounced. 878 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,480 They're gonna bounce themselves. 879 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,480 So they're like, holy shit you have Charles Manson here. 880 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,480 That club's gonna be closed down in a week. 881 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,480 I'm just gonna fuck out of that place. 882 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,480 Fuck out of here. 883 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,480 You're like getting out of a club by Charlie Manson. 884 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,480 A strip club. 885 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,480 What the fuck are you doing? 886 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,480 Is that Charles Manson's accord in the door? 887 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,480 He just hopped up on the table and took a shit. 888 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,480 Seriously. 889 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,480 He started flinging it up people. 890 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,480 God. 891 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,480 He's standing over there like touching his temples with his fingers. 892 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,480 I think he thinks he's hypnotizing people. 893 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,480 No, but that's like really choppy. 894 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,480 Yeah, really choppy. 895 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,480 And I don't like that he says easy at the end. 896 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,480 That's kind of weird. 897 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,480 Easy. 898 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,480 Like not take it easy. 899 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,480 Not take it easy. 900 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,480 Yeah, just easy. 901 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,480 I'm gonna start saying that. 902 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,480 Easy breezy beautiful cover girl. 903 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,480 Like what does that mean? 904 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,480 We need Charles Manson in a cover girl ad. 905 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,480 Oh my god. 906 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:19,480 Yeah. 907 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,480 So that's the last one that I have. 908 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:21,480 I wish I could. 909 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,480 I was trying to look for a Susan Smith one, but I couldn't find one. 910 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,480 Yeah. 911 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,480 Because that would be really interesting. 912 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,480 That would be really interesting. 913 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,480 I actually thought I heard, I think I just saw a Tik Tok again. 914 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,480 I'm on crime talk now. 915 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,480 Like all of my Tik Tok algorithms are true crime. 916 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,480 And I think she just popped up on my true crime or my Tik Tok the other day. 917 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,480 But that was really good. 918 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,480 Like super interesting mental breakdown. 919 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,480 I feel like we don't have one that's anything like that. 920 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,480 Yeah. 921 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:45,480 As soon as I came, I came across an article. 922 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,480 I don't even remember what I was looking up, but I was looking up something. 923 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:50,480 I don't know. 924 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,480 I thought maybe that I would do ones about romance, you know, because I was kind of thinking of 925 00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,480 Menendez Brothers and how they've been married and all the stuff and like what the process 926 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,480 would look like for people that maybe have been on the inside that are successfully married, 927 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,480 maybe even have children. 928 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,480 So I kind of went, was going to go that route, spoilers, I guess, because maybe we can still 929 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,480 do it. 930 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,480 But I came across Barb and Richie and I was like, wow, that is incredible. 931 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,480 I think Inside Edition's done a little case on them. 932 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,480 New York posted a little case on them. 933 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,480 And yeah, just pretty much that. 934 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,480 And then reading the letters, it was just, it was really interesting to me. 935 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,480 You know, it would be cool if we did like a killer couple Patreon bonus episode where 936 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,480 we had four couples or whatever and just like kind of did their stories like kind of in 937 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,480 a row. 938 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:35,480 Yeah. 939 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,480 So we can get like four cases almost in one like almost like the non-guilty verdicts one 940 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,480 that we did. 941 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,480 Yeah, that would be really interesting. 942 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,480 But anyway, yeah, that was really awesome. 943 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:42,480 Good job. 944 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,480 Good job. 945 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,480 Good job. 946 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,480 And again, all that stuff is out there. 947 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,480 Listen to Killers Vault. 948 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,480 Yeah. 949 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,480 I, it's the first time that I had heard about it too while doing this research and I'm really 950 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:51,480 excited to listen to it. 951 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:57,480 I didn't want to listen to it and then do this episode because I didn't want to be influenced 952 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,480 or take anything from that. 953 00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:59,400 Exactly. 954 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,400 I just wanted to just give just a baseline of the kind of information that you'll find 955 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,400 on that podcast, but go listen to that. 956 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:13,400 Again, it was in 2021 with Elizabeth Rom and Eric Roberts, which I love Eric Roberts voice. 957 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,400 So, so from what I can tell, Eric Roberts is the one that reads all of the letters. 958 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:24,400 So he's got a really, you know, charismatic voice and he does each character, assuming 959 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,400 but yeah, seven episodes of that. 960 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,400 Yeah. 961 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,400 So just another podcast suggestion as well. 962 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,400 If we can, I told you I'd been listening to the podcast that I found in the UK. 963 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,400 I kind of looked up popular UK podcasts because you know, I love the accents and stuff, but 964 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,400 I wanted to get like kind of out of America and hear more of their true crime, but I've 965 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,400 been listening to this one called Seeing Red. 966 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,400 I think they've actually gotten like 5 million downloads. 967 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,400 They're pretty popular. 968 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,400 They don't need me to like vouch for them right here, but it's Mark and I'm pretty sure her 969 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,400 name is Bevin if I'm not mistaken, but they're really great. 970 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,400 Honestly, I've been listening to them and I followed them on Instagram and stuff too. 971 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,400 A really cute name, Bevin. 972 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,400 I think that's her name. 973 00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,400 I don't know if it's a nickname or not. 974 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,400 And they're just, I think they've just been friends for a long time. 975 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,400 So cool dynamic. 976 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,400 They're not like a couple. 977 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,400 They're not, you know, two girls or two guys like we usually see under your crime with 978 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,400 two girls, especially. 979 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,400 So it's a cool dynamic and they're really cool, really, really wise and their cases are 980 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,400 everything that I haven't heard yet again because it's all mostly in the UK. 981 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,400 Yeah. 982 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,400 Interesting. 983 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:19,400 They do a really great job. 984 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,400 Good suggestion. 985 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,400 All right. 986 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,400 I think we are done for the night. 987 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,400 Yeah. 988 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,400 So we're done Thursday. 989 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,400 I'm so excited to listen to your case. 990 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,400 I know it's been two weeks of listening to your case. 991 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,400 Dude, this next case I'm telling you, like, get fucking ready. 992 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,400 Like, it is horrific. 993 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,400 Not the actual crime. 994 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,400 I mean, the crimes are horrific. 995 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,400 Don't get me wrong. 996 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,400 But the childhood, like, I was almost in tears. 997 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,400 So it's going to be a tearjerker. 998 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,400 Okay. 999 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,400 But you guys on Thursday. 1000 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,400 You guys on the edge of the seat. 1001 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,400 Yes. 1002 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,400 Okay. 1003 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,400 Love you. 1004 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:50,400 Bye. 1005 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,400 Love you. 1006 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,400 Bye. 1007 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,400 Bye. 1008 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,400 Order a craft beer club today.