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Hello!

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Welcome back for the much-awaited second part of Diagnosing a Killer's Elliot Roger.

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Oh my god, it's been a week.

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A whole week.

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And I haven't even heard, like I'm waiting with the listeners, so I haven't heard, I

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mean I know the story, but I haven't heard your take on the second part.

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Oh my gosh.

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It's a lot.

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I know other people have been waiting for it too.

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I've been hearing a lot of like, okay, like release already, thank you.

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And that's been saying that.

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Here you are.

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Welcome back.

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Are you excited?

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Yeah.

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I'm Koelle.

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I'm Kenna.

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And I am excited to talk about this and oh my gosh, it's a lot.

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Just get it out there.

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Yeah, just get it out there.

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Get the content out there.

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And you know, I know we always say like not to say or we don't want everybody thinking

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that we're just like, oh my god, I can't wait to like just get this over with.

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But it's like, it is, it's like closing a chapter.

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Yeah, there's a sense of relief when you've been in it.

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And I think that's really, really long awaited, especially if it took you like longer to research

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the crumble.

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It's really, there's a sense of relief when you're done with it.

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Cause you're like, I don't have to like read anything about that guy ever again if I

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don't want to.

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And it's really weird researching people, especially people that I don't know, I wouldn't

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say like you feel connected with, but certain aspects that you can like kind of see it,

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I guess, from their perspective a little bit as to why they are the way that they are.

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I feel like I felt that way with Berkowitz.

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I felt that way with kind of Randy Stair, honestly.

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And when you, when you do so much research, you feel like you are uncovering all of these

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layers of somebody's life.

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It's like you get to know them.

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And then you think about them.

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And you know, I do.

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I don't.

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I do.

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I do.

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Absolutely.

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So researching this case over the course of, you know, a week or two, it's every day I'm

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thinking about Elliot Roger every day, you know?

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And I think that's maybe the difference, I mean, obviously the difference in us, but

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something that really helps me be a host of a true crime podcast is that I don't dwell

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on my cases.

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I have a huge like empathy bone, but it usually only happens for people in my life, like in

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my personal life.

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When I hear a story or read about someone, I don't feel the same as if I'm like in the

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same, you know, circle of friends with them or whatever.

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I feel like I can very easily forget about a story that I just heard and turn it off,

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which is why I can listen to like true crime before bed or like on the way to work.

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I don't carry it with me.

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I'm just like, whatever.

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No, and I get exactly what you're saying.

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I definitely listen to true crime all day, every day.

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If I'm not in here recording, then I'm listening to it in my room.

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And if I'm not listening to it in my room, I'm usually have my headset on and walking

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around listening to true crime while I'm doing chores.

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So, but I think it's more of when we're doing it for the podcast, I want to know anything

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and everything about this person.

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So it's a little bit more intimate in a way than just listening to something on TV or listening

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to somebody else talk about it.

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And I will definitely go further than my research shows.

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Like I'll have all these different things that I know about this person.

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I won't necessarily write every bit down, but I do extensive and external research,

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even just in their college years or whatever.

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I hear, I read an article.

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I'm not going to include it in my research, but I'll read about it so that if it does

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come up in the podcast, I can kind of relate it to something.

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But yeah, I don't know.

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I just feel like I think you and I do research very differently though.

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I kind of just like watch it.

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I watch a TV show and do research at the same time.

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So it's all just like very monotone to me.

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I'm not like deep diving.

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But I'm not like enveloped in the story because I'm watching something else to kind of distract

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the time, even more than I am.

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I'm like Michelle McNamara.

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I can see myself being her.

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And just living and breathing a case like that and getting to know everybody's perspectives

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or even Googling or YouTube being the way that somebody's voice sounds is very important

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And when you do research, you look up interviews and stuff like that.

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If I do it's like a transcript.

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I don't watch videos.

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That's so funny.

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I didn't know that until now.

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Well, I wanted to show you something really quick.

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I didn't have a hair tie today and my lovely co-worker maybe won out of a sock.

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I was like, does anyone have a spare hair tie?

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And she comes in the room and she's like, I don't have a hair tie, but I cut a sock.

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I think it was one of the kids socks.

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That's so cute.

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We're just an extra sock that we had.

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That totally works.

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It looks like one of those that are the non, like the one that puts a kink in your hair.

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Oh, well, it totally did.

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But well, barely though.

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The non, there's like no elastic.

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The non elastic ones.

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Well, that was a sufficient explanation on our research.

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Welcome everybody back to this episode.

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We've been getting a lot of Instagram followers lately.

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I know every day we're getting like more and more, which is super exciting and a lot more

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like commenting traffic and things like that, like liking traffic, something like that.

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And someone had commented on Albert Fish and on Randy Kraft, I think the same person.

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And they said about Albert Fish, like he's terrible or something like that.

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And Randy Kraft, he's like, he's not a very nice guy.

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It's like, he definitely not.

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We don't research nice people.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And then just to remind everyone, I know we have a lot of episodes out.

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So if you can't find it, we did do an episode on Samuel Little.

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My friend Steph had actually texted me today and asked if we had, and I said, yeah, I actually

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did him really early on.

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She goes, oh my God, I'll have to go back and listen.

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I must have missed it.

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So if anyone's like thinking about Samuel Little or you know who he is or you don't,

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go listen to his story because it's pretty freaking wild.

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That is a wild story.

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I forget about that one sometimes, but everyone smells one of those where I go back and I'm

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like, what have we done already?

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And I see it and I'm like, oh my gosh, that was such a good episode.

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He's dubbed as the deadliest serial killer in America.

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I'm pretty sure still today.

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His interviews are very intense.

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Yeah, I wouldn't even know.

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Oh, because they're very intense.

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He has such a dead pan when he's described.

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It's like he's telling you about his day or his grocery list.

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It's very, very bizarre.

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Very disconnected.

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Well, thank you guys for all of the Instagram traffic.

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If you would like to follow us on Instagram and you don't have us, we are at Diagnosing

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We also are that tag on, or the hashtag, what is it called?

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The handle on every other social media except for Twitter, which is at Killer Diagnosis.

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Which is crazy.

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Yeah, it's beyond my scope right now.

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Two months.

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Two and a half months essentially because it's like the beginning of June.

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Two months.

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Y'all check out that merch tab please because I worked really hard on it.

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It looks really good.

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When we updated our link tree, I'm not sure if any of you saw.

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It looks really good.

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It looks like super uniform.

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It actually looks good.

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You can see the logos on everything and we have everything updated on that as well.

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All right.

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So today we're going to be talking about Elliot Roger Part 2.

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We all know that.

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But content warning, this episode depicts scenes of assault, sexism, racism, grave,

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bodily harm, and injury as well as murder and suicide.

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If this episode is not for you, we encourage you to check out another one of our episodes.

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Remember that your mental health comes first and we love you.

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We love you.

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Speaking of mental health, before we get started, we are sponsored by BetterHelp.

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So we do have a discount code for BetterHelp.

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It is think 10% off of your first month with our discount code DAKPOD just as a reminder

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because I feel like that ad is not in every single episode.

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But I do want to share that because that's super important to me.

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For sure.

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And kind of in the same vein today is the very first day of Pride Month.

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If you are an LGBTQAI plus young person in need of support, you can reach out to the

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Trevor Project and one of their crisis counselors will be available 24-7.

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If you would like to reach out, you can contact their website at thetreverproject.org or call

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or text the number 212-695-8650.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And that's always going to be at the end of our show notes as well along with the National

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Suicide Hotline.

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And just about 988, right?

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Yeah, 988 for the National Suicide Lifeline.

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Lifeline.

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And yeah, you should also be able to access those same numbers under our resource tab

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on diagnosingaKiller.com.

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Whoo.

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Clearly we love you guys a lot.

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It's true.

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We just want to make sure you guys are well taken care of.

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We know it's hard with, especially with us researching True Crime a lot and doing the

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podcast about it, it's probably just as taxing listening to True Crime a lot, you know,

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because it's what we do.

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And we understand that sometimes you need to break.

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Sometimes you need some extra assistance.

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It's true.

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So we're there to offer the resources for that.

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So last we left off, Elliot was in high school.

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He would go on to graduate in 2009 and he looked towards his future education.

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He was actually really excited for this chapter of his life since he kind of had this renewed

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hope that he could get a girlfriend in college, right?

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Plenty of college kids go to college as virgins.

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He showed up and immediately it was like, oh, these girls are bitches.

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And all these guys are stupid and all the girls are dumb for dating them because they're

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just jokes.

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Every single person in this entire college probably has like 50,000 people.

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So he would enroll in Pierce College, although just one course and Elliot was still excited.

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He was still apprehensive, however.

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After yet another argument was Samaya.

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Elliot was kicked out of the house again by her and his father would go out and allow

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this, even so far as to saying that he couldn't even come and visit the house because Samaya

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Elliot would continue the argument in his head, calling his father weak-minded, letting

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a woman walk all over him and not being more commanding of his household.

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Elbow mail.

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Yeah, it's like the fake arguments you have after the fact in the shower.

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Yeah, so these are all like in his journals and his manifestos saying that his father

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was this weak individual and how dare he let a woman treat him that way when he himself

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is essentially allowing Samaya to treat him that way, which is even more ridiculous.

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You just reminded me when you were saying that you could feel like you can somewhat

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like relate to these people you researched, I was like, damn, am I going to find your

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fucking manifesto in your room?

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Elbow mail.

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That's totally me.

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I'm totally an alpha male.

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Yeah.

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Did you see that one video where it's that high school kid where he's like talking back

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to the teacher and he says the alpha male says blah, blah, blah, blah and the teacher

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is like, cool.

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Well, the beta male says, can you please take your seat?

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That's amazing.

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Seriously, like he's like, okay, Mr. Alpha Male, why don't you go ahead and take a seat?

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Like, yeah.

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What a diss.

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It's pretty funny.

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He's like, you're not going to make me back down.

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I'm just going to be extra nice to you.

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It's funny because the kid is standing, but the teacher is sitting at his desk and he's

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just like, all right, alpha male, go ahead and take it.

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Will the alpha male please take his seat?

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She's like a child if you're going to act like one.

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So Elliot would begin to stay at Lee Chin's, his mom's.

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Finding something to do on Halloween night when you're in college isn't very hard to

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do.

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So after trolling social media, Elliot found a house party within walking distance.

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He walked to the party only to be met by very few people sitting around just smoking weed,

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which totally wasn't his thing to begin with.

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He waited about 45 minutes, pretty much just brooding in the corner, right?

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Because that's Elliot Roger.

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Oh my God.

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Takes it upon himself to find a house party, goes and then pouts.

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Notice me, Simpire.

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I don't know anybody here.

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Yeah.

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Well, you didn't fucking throw the party.

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Well, you trolled on the internet and found one.

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Nobody's going to know you.

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Yeah.

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Also, if anyone's in college, do not put your party address on social media because my

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old roommate did that one time in college and it was a very bad night.

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This is like 2010.

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Okay, but I'm saying nowadays.

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Oh yeah.

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Definitely don't do that because this was like 2016 for me and it was not a good stuff.

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Facebook events, all that stuff.

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It was on Twitter, but yeah.

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But still, you know, I mean, anybody could, I remember.

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Anybody.

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Anybody.

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And I remember an old girlfriend of mine, there was this one chick that, I'm not going

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to get into it, but either way, this chick found the address and it wasn't good.

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Yeah, police stations also have Twitter.

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Oh, yeah.

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Okay, we got to stop bantering someone.

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People want to hear the story.

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On his way back home, a truckload of drunk college kids attended to egg Elliot as he

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was walking.

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When the boys missed him, he picked up an egg that hadn't broke and threw it back at

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them.

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The boys got out of the truck in an attempt to beat Elliot up, only for Elliot to produce

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a pocket knife that he regularly carried with him at night.

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The boys took off and Elliot began to find this great sense of power after this incident,

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which reminds me of Timothy McVeigh, right?

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Wasn't it Timothy McVeigh or Randy Stare?

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It was like, it's the greatest equalizer.

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Oh yeah, but that was done.

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So after this incident, Elliot began to work out because no longer were people going to

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judge him based off of his frail looking body.

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Maybe even girls might take notice of him, you know?

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Elliot would get his driver's license at 18.

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Driving around always scared him before this.

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He was like, oh no, like, yeah, he was scared to drive.

329
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That's okay, some people are scared of driving.

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Yeah, I agree.

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Yeah.

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It's like he's scared of everything and then he gets mad when people don't just like make

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him feel better.

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Yeah.

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Like, I'm sorry.

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Like, go ahead.

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Around this time, Lee Chen would actually start dating someone as well, but she hadn't

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really been dating at all until now.

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This likely didn't help Elliot's need for feminine attention.

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Yeah, of course not.

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But becoming depressed again and not finding any female attention at college, Elliot would

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quit school.

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How long did he try?

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He went for about a semester, I think it was.

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He started spending time in Barnes & Noble.

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It's Barnes & Noble, right?

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It's Barnes & Noble.

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Okay, yeah.

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Just one singular noble.

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Just one noble.

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There's plenty of Barnes, but only one noble.

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So he would go daily and he would start reading about philosophy, self-help, sex and love,

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and anything that really interests him.

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He felt like at this point, if he was smart or worldly enough, surely a girl would be

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interested in that, right?

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Okay, so what I'm hearing is like, he's not willing to give one thing a chance for too

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long.

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Right.

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He's gonna give it a try for maybe a few months.

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It blows up in his face, or maybe it doesn't blow up in his face.

361
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Maybe he just doesn't have a lot of progress.

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Yeah.

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Then he's just gonna try something else and then eventually he's gonna say, well, I've

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tried everything I possibly can and then resort to whatever he resorts to.

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Like the imposter syndrome thing.

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It's like, remember we were talking about that the other day?

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It's like, I'm not good at this one thing, so I'm gonna try something else because now

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I'm defeated because I'm not good at this one thing.

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But didn't we say one of the coping mechanisms is to realize that your life is a work in

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progress?

371
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Yeah.

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Everything that you do is a work in progress.

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It doesn't happen right away.

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That doesn't mean it's not going to happen.

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Right.

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And that's the disconnect for him.

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I think that he also has this very...

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He thinks that things should just come easily to him.

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Exactly.

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And I think that when he realized, oh, I actually have to work at college, well, you know what?

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I'm just gonna skip a billion steps and go to Barnes & Noble and read as much as I possibly

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can.

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Yes.

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And therefore I will have the equivalent of a college education, but I did it on my

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time and much faster.

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Yes.

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I completely agree with you.

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And also, this is just my personal opinion.

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I think it has a lot to do with the money and how he didn't want for anything when he

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was a kid.

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Right.

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But not only did he not want for anything, it was very apparent to him that his parents

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were like, okay, we'll just take care of it, we'll just take care of it.

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So when he got into the real world, that's why there was that shock factor, right?

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Oh, shit, now I have to do things for myself.

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Personally, if I had a lot of money and I was raising children, I would make sure they

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didn't want for anything, but I would tone down to them about how much money we have

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so that they remain humble.

399
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Yeah.

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I understand what you're saying.

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And I think that also with Peter and Lee Chen being divorced and all this other stuff that

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maybe they felt like that guilt.

403
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Yeah, they had like overcompensate.

404
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Right.

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You see that often with parents, but divorce when their kids are really young is what they

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overcompensate a lot for that because they feel guilty that they are in a broken home

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now and all this other stuff.

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So I get the Xboxes and the PCs and any video game and anything that they can possibly give

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to distract him from them being in their minds, bad parents.

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Yeah.

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And let's be real, it's easier said for me because I don't have children.

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I could say whatever I want.

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I don't know what it's like to be in that situation.

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So that's personally just what I feel like might have been able to be done differently

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for him to not feel like this growing up.

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Right.

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And I agree with that.

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And it's no one's fault per se.

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I definitely don't think his parents did it on purpose to be like, yeah, we're going

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to raise this kid to be wanting to think everything comes easily to him.

421
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Exactly.

422
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Yeah.

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But unfortunately, that's what happened as a result of how he was raised.

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I think that they probably anticipated that their son was going to grow up respecting

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his affluence, I suppose, because you do see that a lot with people that they tend to go

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to Ivy League schools and they tend to, I mean, kind of like Menendez, right?

427
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Like Menendez brothers.

428
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Like they had this facade about who they were supposed to be versus someone like Elliot

429
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who just kind of seems bratty.

430
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It doesn't seem like it's something that he ever wanted.

431
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He just wants to do whatever he wants to do, but he wants it now.

432
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He doesn't want it later.

433
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Well, yeah, and that's the risky part too.

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You don't know what kind of mental disorder someone is predisposed to developing.

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So that could be, and it has been in this sense, very detrimental.

436
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The Menendez brothers, different story, they were raised thinking that they were very humble

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about it when they were older.

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And then of course, we know what happened.

439
00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,600
But with Elliot, he might probably does have an underlying mental disorder, whether it's

440
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narcissistic personality disorder, anti-social personality disorder, that is making him feel

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the way he's feeling currently and on top of the way he was raised.

442
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Absolutely.

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One day while walking around the mall, Elliot ran into Maddie, his old childhood friend.

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She was with her boyfriend.

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And although Elliot claimed that he was never sexually attracted to Maddie, it was something

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that completely grossed him out because now she was one of them.

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Quote unquote.

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Quote unquote.

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One of them.

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One of us.

451
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One of us.

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What is it?

453
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Oh gosh, what is it?

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I don't know.

455
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,840
There's like another chant that I was thinking of when I get to give it.

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No, but that's, again, what he does, it's his thing, is like, oh, I'm going to make

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it my idea for you to not be attracted to me.

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It's not your idea because you have a boyfriend.

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It's my idea because now you're one of them because I don't want anything to do with you.

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It will grow.

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Ew.

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00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,320
So, around this time, Elliot began to unravel.

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He started making multiple fake social media accounts that he called stalking accounts.

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Right.

465
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Yeah.

466
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It's there.

467
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,840
Randy Stare, I remember he made all these fake characters.

468
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For the ghost squad?

469
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Yeah.

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He would obsess over friends or former friends like guy friends, like acquaintances, and

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all of their accounts, and then he would just go from their accounts to like hot girls to

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like look at women's profiles, essentially.

473
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Why didn't he just do it on his own platform?

474
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,360
It's not like people can see when you look at their profile.

475
00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:08,360
I don't know.

476
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Unless he tried to interact with them a few times or something.

477
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Yeah.

478
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So, stalking was a thing on Facebook?

479
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Yes.

480
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You're so cute.

481
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I thought it was so cool because I had like 38 pokes one time.

482
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We're not 38, but like a bunch.

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But low key, like I would be the one to like, I would poke like 50 people and then I would

484
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like log back in like a day later and be like, oh my God, all these people poked me when

485
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they really just poked me back.

486
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Yeah.

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But I thought I was like popular.

488
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It looked cool.

489
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And I, the problem.

490
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And I, the trauma.

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I'm Elliot Roger.

492
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I'm Elliot Roger.

493
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So he would look through these women's profiles and constantly judge them for being like dumb,

494
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for being with these jocks or these jerks or whatever.

495
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And he was like, you know, you look like a sloot.

496
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You look like a sloot.

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And that's always the mindset.

498
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It's like, if a girl doesn't want you, she's automatically a slut.

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Or she's a lesbian.

500
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:57,600
She has to be.

501
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,600
She doesn't want to be with me.

502
00:20:58,600 --> 00:20:59,600
Not to be with me.

503
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:00,600
You must be a lesbian.

504
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,600
But no, for real.

505
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,600
Like I've actually, I think I've said this on the past.

506
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,600
Before, like this guy asked me for my number one time.

507
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,600
I told him, no, and he called me a lesbian.

508
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:09,600
I'm like, yeah, I'm a lesbian.

509
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:10,600
If that makes you walk away.

510
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:11,600
Yes, I'm a lesbian.

511
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:12,600
Yeah.

512
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,600
Either way, you're walking away without my number.

513
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,600
There's worse things to be, bro.

514
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,600
That's not even a bad thing.

515
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:20,600
Exactly.

516
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,960
So one night when he was spending time with two guy friends, they were kind of going in

517
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,360
a bit of back and forth, like Elliot and this friend.

518
00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:32,480
And just, you know, poking or justing at each other.

519
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,240
And the friend said, quote, no girl in this whole world will ever want to fuck you, Elliot.

520
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,240
End quote.

521
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,920
Oh my God.

522
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:42,920
It's like, that's fucked up.

523
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,480
He's like, yeah, I know that he runs in a corner.

524
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,600
No, but for real though, like that's fucked up.

525
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,920
He probably got his feelings big hurt.

526
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,040
Elliot said on reflect, reflecting back on this, quote, I already felt that no girl in

527
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,760
the world wanted to fuck me.

528
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,040
I was a kissless virgin after all.

529
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,640
That was the sole reason why I was suffering.

530
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,880
But to hear it come from someone else, someone like him, it really caused it to sink into

531
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,720
the core of my mental mentality and my emotions.

532
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:08,720
End quote.

533
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,720
A kissless virgin.

534
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:10,720
A kissless virgin.

535
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:11,720
That's like really sad.

536
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,960
Like I'm not trying to lie to you.

537
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:14,960
No, I know.

538
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,440
That's really sad.

539
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:21,920
But like, I still can't excuse the future behavior.

540
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,920
But everybody just loves you.

541
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:24,920
Yeah, absolutely.

542
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,520
But plenty of people go to college versions.

543
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,520
Kissless visions.

544
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:29,520
Kissless visions.

545
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:35,720
Like, God, it's just, it's one of those things where it's like someone else that didn't maybe

546
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,760
have a predisposition to developing mental illness probably could have gone through the

547
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,400
exact same thing he went through and made it for themselves.

548
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,400
Right.

549
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,400
You know?

550
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,520
And it sucks because it's like, how do you differentiate who can handle that shit and

551
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,520
who can't?

552
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:49,520
And especially like bullies.

553
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,520
Like bullies aren't going to censor themselves because they're worried about some of his

554
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:53,520
feelings.

555
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:54,520
Well, it's just friends.

556
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,520
You know what I mean?

557
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:56,520
Yeah.

558
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:57,520
But I think that's what I'm saying is like it probably hurt worse because his friend

559
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,520
said he's a virgin and like he poked at him too hard.

560
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,520
So sad.

561
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:07,720
Elliot said this was compounded because the friend that he had had had many successful

562
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,560
dating instances, experiences, I guess.

563
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:18,760
So you know, it just, it was like, oh, he's the one out of like the three of us that regularly

564
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,920
dates girls and then he's making fun of me for being a kissless virgin.

565
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,520
Like he knows what he's talking about.

566
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,520
Yeah.

567
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,520
And I didn't mean to laugh when you said that.

568
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,520
I was laughing because it suddenly, you're struggling to get it out.

569
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,520
I was like, yeah.

570
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:31,520
Yeah.

571
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,520
Yeah.

572
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,520
No, that's, that's really shitty.

573
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,520
I'd probably be big upset too.

574
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,520
Yeah.

575
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:38,520
Big mad.

576
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:39,520
That's a low blow.

577
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,520
That's a low blow.

578
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,520
After pressure from his mom to get a job, get a job.

579
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,520
Elliot decided to go back to college but at a new campus.

580
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,520
This one was full of beautiful people.

581
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,520
So of course, Elliot loved this.

582
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:57,520
He soon felt all the same things that he felt at his first attempt at college when he saw

583
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,520
couples walking around holding hands and he didn't feel like there was any female attention

584
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:02,520
coming his way.

585
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:07,520
Do you think, so side note, do you think that Elliot might have been struggling with his

586
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,520
sexuality?

587
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,520
Do you think he might have been at least bisexual or maybe gay?

588
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,520
Maybe.

589
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:13,520
Okay.

590
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,520
It doesn't really come out.

591
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:15,520
No, not really.

592
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:20,520
And I think in a lot of his YouTube videos, which we haven't really gotten to that point

593
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:27,240
here, but anytime he really mentions sex, he gets this kind of goofy smile.

594
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,520
He's like, you know, I just don't know what I'm thinking about having sex with a girl.

595
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,520
And it's this kind of like embarrassment or shyness.

596
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,520
It's very strange.

597
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,520
And I'll give my opinions later.

598
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:45,520
I'm going to write it down right now so I don't forget because I probably will.

599
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:51,640
So, Elliot had another like kind of get rich quick scheme.

600
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,360
He decided he wanted to become a writer, maybe becoming a famous writer.

601
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:59,600
Writing for movies would make him more desirable to women.

602
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,120
After all of this, it would probably be worth it, right?

603
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:06,680
He always said that he knew that he was destined for great things.

604
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,160
He would crush his own dreams by eventually looking up the statistics of how successful

605
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,160
writers are and getting stories picked up by movie companies.

606
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,960
So he gave up after a few months of dedicated writing.

607
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,320
Again, like it's my idea.

608
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,720
I'm going to shut it down before I can get, I can fail or I can get hurt.

609
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,800
Or somebody can tell me that I failed.

610
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,300
Yeah, exactly.

611
00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:33,040
And also not giving it an honest try, just trying it for a few months and then giving

612
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,400
up.

613
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,080
Feeling defeated once again, he quit the only course that he was taking at college during

614
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,880
this time.

615
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:46,160
It was mostly because he raged after seeing a girl that he was interested in, in that

616
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,600
one class, holding hands between after class with another guy.

617
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,360
So he was like, oh, well the only reason I was taking this course because of that hot

618
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,600
girl and now that she has a boyfriend, I'm just going to quit.

619
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,600
I remember that.

620
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,440
I remember hearing that when I listened to the story.

621
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,960
I was like, are you kidding me?

622
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:07,160
Elliot, however, would keep this a secret from his mother out of fear of being kicked

623
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,640
out or being made to get a job.

624
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:10,640
Yeah.

625
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,240
He quit school and didn't tell his mom.

626
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,160
Because last time he quit school, again, after a few months, his mom was like, get

627
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,160
a job.

628
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,800
So now he's like, fuck them, we're just not going to tell her.

629
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:26,400
Elliot also developed a quickly growing obsession with the lottery.

630
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,640
He wanted to get rich quick, right?

631
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,400
So he would often fantasize about becoming a billionaire in order to attract the perfect

632
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,400
woman.

633
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,400
Oh my God.

634
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,480
It's so hard not to smile.

635
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,600
I want to be a billionaire as well.

636
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:46,080
But I'm not going to just sit on my ass and just hope I become a billionaire one day.

637
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,400
I'm working.

638
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,920
I did get a job after I quit school.

639
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,320
Not quit school, after I graduated.

640
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,320
I did get a job.

641
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,320
Right.

642
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,600
Now he thinks that someone's just going to come by and hand him a billion dollars and

643
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,680
he plays the lottery.

644
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,480
That's literally, I guarantee you, he's not even buying a lot of tickets.

645
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,480
He's just like, I'm going to win the lottery.

646
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,480
Just not buying anything.

647
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,640
Just hang out outside of a place that they sell lottery tickets.

648
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,040
Yeah, you just hang them up off the ground.

649
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,840
When Elliot turned 19, his father sent him a birthday card telling Elliot that he should

650
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,440
apologize to Samaya.

651
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,120
That's what his birthday card said.

652
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:25,040
You should also apologize to Samaya so we can spend more time together.

653
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,840
His dad is not helping at all.

654
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,840
No.

655
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,320
He never has been.

656
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,320
What a guy.

657
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,520
Elliot approached his mother about attending Santa Barbara University.

658
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,920
It's the University of California in Santa Barbara.

659
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,080
After talking with Peter about helping out financially, the two agreed that it would

660
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:49,040
be good for Elliot to live closer to the campus and get out of the nest.

661
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,680
Because he was living with Peter and Samaya.

662
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,360
When they kicked him out, he was living with Lee Chen.

663
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:56,640
Now they're like, go create your own life.

664
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,640
That's a great idea.

665
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,640
You should go do that.

666
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,640
Spread your wings.

667
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,640
Spread your wings.

668
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,120
Get out.

669
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:07,320
He said, quote, in truth, the move to Santa Barbara was actually a chance that I was

670
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,480
about to give the world, not the other way around.

671
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,920
I was giving the world one last chance to give me the life that I know I'm entitled

672
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,560
to, the life that other boys are able to live with ease.

673
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,960
If I still have to suffer the same rejection and injustice even after I move to Santa Barbara,

674
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,560
then that will be the last straw.

675
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,240
Then I will have my vengeance, end quote.

676
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,720
The life that I'm entitled to.

677
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,440
The life that I'm entitled to.

678
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,440
I'm entitled to this.

679
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,080
Let's be very honest.

680
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,880
No one is entitled to shit.

681
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:37,880
No one is entitled to shit.

682
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:38,880
You need to earn it.

683
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,880
It's so true.

684
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,880
Fuck that mindset.

685
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:41,880
I can't.

686
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,320
God, that makes me so mad.

687
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,800
I cannot stand when people have that mindset.

688
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,120
I don't know what bugs me so much about it.

689
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,440
I mean, I'm sure it bugs everyone else, but I deserve this.

690
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,600
Just give it to me because I deserve it.

691
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,000
What the fuck did you do to deserve it?

692
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,000
Are you Jesus Christ?

693
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,000
Even then.

694
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,000
Even then.

695
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,480
Like, no.

696
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,400
So he moved optimistic that maybe this will be the time that he finds someone.

697
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,440
Fair enough, the first few months of this new adventure did not bring Elliot a hot blonde,

698
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,080
and one by one he began to quit his classes yet again.

699
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,080
First few months.

700
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,080
First few months.

701
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,080
Not even a whole semester.

702
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,240
Well, I think it might have been, I mean, a few months this pretty much a semester, right?

703
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,240
Either way.

704
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,120
He was livid that in a city and area this dense with hot college kids, he couldn't find a

705
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,520
single girl that would find him attractive.

706
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,640
Now during this time, is he trying to talk to girls?

707
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,640
No.

708
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:34,640
No, he's just waiting for one to walk up to him.

709
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,640
Yeah.

710
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,640
Yeah.

711
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,640
For sure.

712
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,640
God.

713
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,120
He would try to go back to school yet once again the following fall semester.

714
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,640
This time, about rooming with two Hispanic men, which apparently Elliot did not like.

715
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,640
Can you guess why?

716
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,680
Oh, because they were Hispanic?

717
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,040
Specifically because they were Hispanic, and he called them lowlife scum.

718
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,720
He wanted clean cut white roommates that were sure to attract blonde white women to his

719
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:01,720
apartment.

720
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:02,720
I'm sorry.

721
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,720
I know plenty of blonde women that are dating Hispanic men.

722
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,360
What the fuck do you mean?

723
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,160
He was like, look at the statistics.

724
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,840
I read the facts for two days.

725
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,880
He's a racist on top of all this, by the way.

726
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:14,880
God, dude.

727
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,640
Yeah, I'm sure he's like the only people that are entitled to shit in this world like

728
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,640
me.

729
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:20,640
God.

730
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,080
So his two roommates would quickly find out that he was a virgin and the two proceeded

731
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,680
to talk about their sexual experiences, which of course disgusted Elliot because he didn't

732
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,760
understand how these two unattractive Hispanic men had lost their virginities before he did.

733
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,520
He said, quote, I am a beautiful, magnificent gentleman, and he is a lowlife, low class,

734
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,640
pig-faced thug, talking about his roommate.

735
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:44,640
End quote.

736
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,640
Yeah.

737
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,200
Have you seen these photos of Elliot, anyone?

738
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,680
I'm sorry.

739
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,000
Not the best looking fucking dude.

740
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,000
He's also brunette.

741
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,880
He's not even blonde.

742
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,160
Like fuck you.

743
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,520
He had also expressed around this time that he considered himself to be a conservative

744
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,240
Republican and, well, let's be honest, certainly a racist.

745
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,240
Well, yeah.

746
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,720
I feel like there was a fly on my leg.

747
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,720
That was so nice.

748
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,720
Oh no.

749
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,720
That was Cher.

750
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,720
He sounded like Cher.

751
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,720
Oh no.

752
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,720
There is a good time, back then.

753
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:22,480
You haven't seen the last of me.

754
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,480
Like you're Cher.

755
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,480
I like you're Cher.

756
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:33,480
I'm gonna rock, way past the point of breaking, I'm getting.

757
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,160
That's so Cher.

758
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,160
Cher signed me up.

759
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,160
Can I be a back-up singer?

760
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,360
Sweet Cher.

761
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,920
So Elliot was just gonna try twice as hard to betray the image that he wanted the world

762
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:47,920
to see.

763
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,120
Since he has these Hispanic roommates that'll never attract a white woman.

764
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,280
He's just gonna have to try twice as hard.

765
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,160
Cause he can't attract a white woman.

766
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,160
No, no.

767
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,720
Now again, blaming someone else.

768
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,720
Blaming the roommates.

769
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,200
Oh, the white women are never gonna weigh in a white women that.

770
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,160
They're never gonna come back to my dorm cause these two guys aren't gonna attract them.

771
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,160
Certainly I couldn't do anything to attract them.

772
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,160
I couldn't.

773
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,560
I can't just take it upon myself to go do things.

774
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,560
Nope.

775
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,560
Cause it's their fault.

776
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,560
He wanted it to come easy.

777
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,120
So in his head he thought if I have Jock, Douchebag, you know, these things that I claim

778
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,400
that I hate, have them as roommates, they'll definitely be the ones to be around these

779
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,400
women that I want.

780
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,560
Cause he wanted them to just be there.

781
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,560
Yeah, exactly.

782
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,560
Yeah.

783
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,560
Exactly.

784
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,560
Exactly.

785
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:37,880
So Elliot would change out his polo shirts to Hugo Boss and Armani, Calvin Klein, Gucci,

786
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:38,920
all this stuff, right?

787
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,680
So he decided to wear designer shit.

788
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:41,680
That's how he was gonna do it.

789
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,800
Cause before this, remember he was kind of, you know, just a little skateboardy or a little

790
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,800
more casual.

791
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,360
Yeah, it's like now I have to prove that I have this money and then people will be attracted

792
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,360
to me.

793
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:54,760
Let's see how this plan works.

794
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,920
This still would not provide any single girls numbers.

795
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,160
The only female phone numbers that Elliot had on his phone at this time were his family

796
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,160
members.

797
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,120
Oh my God.

798
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,140
He couldn't wait for the semester to be over.

799
00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:11,640
He hated history class specifically because there was a jock stuck in between two of the

800
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,520
hottest girls in class and Elliot would have to watch on as the two of them flirted with

801
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,760
this meathead.

802
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,960
I literally just can't.

803
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,920
Elliot has gone to his local Starbucks one morning in July of 2011.

804
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,080
Cause that's where blonde white women hang out.

805
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,080
Yeah.

806
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,080
Well, he has to.

807
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,080
I mean, that's what rich people do.

808
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,560
They go to Starbucks, you know?

809
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:36,840
We must be fucking rich.

810
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,000
We're fucking rich.

811
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,000
Go like every fucking day.

812
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,680
Of course he claims that he was optimistic about his day.

813
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,120
I was feeling so optimistic this day I was going down to my local Starbucks.

814
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,120
Yeah.

815
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,120
Everything was great.

816
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,120
I'm going to meet a woman today.

817
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,120
That's what he's thinking.

818
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,120
Someone ruins it.

819
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,320
Couldn't be him.

820
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,680
He sat down outside enjoying the light summer breeze when he noticed a couple sitting near

821
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:58,680
him.

822
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,560
Bum, bum, bum.

823
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,200
He described the boy as being this punk rocker type who looked dirty and his girlfriend was

824
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,680
a pretty sun-kissed blonde.

825
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,640
This enraged Elliot and this was because just the day before he was actually having

826
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,360
lunch with his father.

827
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,160
He and his father noticed a pretty blonde sitting with this kind of nothing guy.

828
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:24,320
And Elliot had felt really embarrassed, especially with them sitting so close to them and they

829
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,120
were kissing and all that stuff.

830
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,760
And that Elliot felt really embarrassed that he didn't have a girlfriend sitting there

831
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,240
next to him while he was talking to his father.

832
00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:39,000
He had wanted to throw his soda at the couple at the time, but feared that his father would

833
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,840
be even more embarrassed.

834
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,240
But this time, sitting outside the Starbucks, Elliot's father was not around.

835
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:49,080
Elliot waited for the couple to head to their car before running up to the couple and dumping

836
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,840
his coffee over the couple.

837
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,200
Yeah, he waited until they were leaving so that hopefully they would just go ahead and

838
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,280
leave anyway after he did that.

839
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,560
Elliot quickly ran away as he was fearful that he was about to get his ass kicked, of

840
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,560
course.

841
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,120
This was a very rewarding moment for Elliot as he had never acted out towards someone

842
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,360
else before other than the one egging.

843
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,880
Just two weeks later, he would throw iced tea at another couple that he saw kissing

844
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,120
in a food court.

845
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,520
It didn't say if it was on campus or in a mall, but either way, it was in July.

846
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,840
So he didn't get his ass beat either time?

847
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,840
No.

848
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:22,840
He was able to escape.

849
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:23,840
Probably should have.

850
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:24,840
Probably should have.

851
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,520
Well, okay, this is all according to him too.

852
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,160
I don't know if anybody's really come forward saying that they've been the people getting

853
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,640
coffee or iced tea.

854
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,040
He just like pours it on the sidewalk next to them.

855
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,040
Oh my god.

856
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,720
Like he actually did that instead of throwing it on them?

857
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:39,720
Maybe he pretends to trip.

858
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,040
Yeah, in his memory, he like poured it all over them.

859
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,640
He actually just like threw it in the trash can next to them.

860
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,180
He was like, hey, it was slashed.

861
00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:54,720
You're in the splash zone, bitch.

862
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:58,400
So that summer, the family would take multiple trips, sometimes with his father, sometimes

863
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,900
with his mother.

864
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:03,840
And with each trip, Elliot longed to share these travels with someone.

865
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,520
He imagined walking down the beach holding hands with a girl, watching the sunset, rolling

866
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,640
in the sand together.

867
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,040
He imagined what it must feel like to hold the person that you love so closely with their

868
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,480
warmth and their lended ear.

869
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,680
All the romantic moments that he had to offer and no one to share these views with.

870
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:23,680
As her-

871
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,520
Fucking do something about it then.

872
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:26,520
Try to talk to people.

873
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:27,520
Sorry, I cut you off.

874
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,960
But like don't just sit there and be mad that you don't have this.

875
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:32,960
Fucking try.

876
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:33,960
No.

877
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,960
No.

878
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960
That's obviously not his thing.

879
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:37,960
No, it's not.

880
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,560
Nothing is not his thing.

881
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,840
As heartbroken as he was, he was equally filled with rage.

882
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,000
After returning to the next school year, Elliot stopped by his local Starbucks on his way

883
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,720
to classes.

884
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:54,480
This would be the first day back, and again, he found this newfound confidence, as he usually

885
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,480
does.

886
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,440
It's like he's hitting a reset button every time.

887
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,680
Here we go again, going during the semester.

888
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,680
Hopefully someone will come and talk to me this time.

889
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:04,680
That's me today.

890
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,280
Because I'm sure as hell not gonna fucking do it myself.

891
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,080
Hopefully I'll have to meet today.

892
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,320
Hopefully I'll win the lottery without buying tickets.

893
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,240
He fantasized throughout the day that groups of girls were swooning over him every time

894
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,040
that he walked by.

895
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,040
They were so attracted to him, all the giggling that he was hearing was out of admiration

896
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,680
and not disgust.

897
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,920
Like he started thinking, let me change my mindset here.

898
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,920
Okay, sure.

899
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,200
That might work.

900
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:34,160
This worked for some time, often repeating mantras to himself like, yes, I am the image

901
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,400
of beauty and supremacy.

902
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,360
Okay, well that's a law or a system.

903
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,360
But if it works, it works.

904
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,360
It works.

905
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,360
Make it so you can make it.

906
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,360
You know what?

907
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,160
Make it so you become a girl.

908
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,960
In January 2012, after getting into his car and leaving campus for the day, he claimed

909
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,960
that he was laughed at by a group of girls at a bus stop near campus.

910
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,560
Immediately, Elliot turned his car around and threw the remainder of his Starbucks coffee

911
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,060
at the girls.

912
00:37:59,060 --> 00:38:03,560
He said about this attack, quote, it was such a pity that my latte wasn't hot enough

913
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:04,960
to burn them.

914
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,160
Those girls deserved to be dumped in boiling water for the crime of not giving me the attention

915
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,520
and adoration I so rightfully deserve, end quote.

916
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:13,760
You just brought me back.

917
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,360
Core memory unlocked because I remember I was delivering a door dash in an apartment complex

918
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,360
when I heard that exact line from the last time I listened to it.

919
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,080
It made me so mad.

920
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:27,240
I was like, if only my coffee was going to be boiling hot.

921
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,560
But didn't he just have this mindset that day if they're laughing?

922
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,160
They're laughing because they're like, they're embarrassed because he said Kia.

923
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,160
What happened with that?

924
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,400
No, I think he was having that at the beginning of the semester.

925
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,400
This is after winter break.

926
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,400
Oh, I thought it was the same day.

927
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,400
No, not the same day.

928
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,400
I'm sorry if that's what it sounded like.

929
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,440
No, it was months later.

930
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,760
So he was trying to tell himself, like, today's the day.

931
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,400
The day is clean.

932
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,840
The day is clean.

933
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,120
Oh, God.

934
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,600
Around this time, in Elliot's writings, he had admitted to having very deep and dark fantasies

935
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:05,080
about stabbing random couples and even talked about skinning his roommates alive because

936
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,280
of their sexual experiences that they regularly talked about.

937
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,440
That escalated quickly.

938
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,840
Yep.

939
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:16,080
By February the following month, Elliot again began to drop classes one by one after being

940
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,960
hurt several times by certain girls that he found attractive and learning of their

941
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,720
having boyfriends.

942
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:25,640
That's why he was hurt because he found out that they had boyfriends prior to even seeing

943
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,640
him ever.

944
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,640
Yeah, saying anything to him.

945
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:34,160
They had boyfriends and he found out somehow because he probably stopped their social media.

946
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:40,560
Many times in his manifestos, he would name these girls by at least their first name,

947
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,920
but would never really have interactions with them.

948
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,400
So again, I didn't put their names in here because, you know.

949
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,240
Yeah, no, it makes total sense.

950
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:54,680
Just hate people that are happily in relationships even though you didn't know them when they

951
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:55,680
got in.

952
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,680
Okay.

953
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:57,680
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

954
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,040
I would attempt a schooling, quote, when I dropped my college classes, I crossed a threshold

955
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,960
that I knew existed but never actually believed I would cross.

956
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,720
It completely ended all hope I had of living a desirable life in Santa Barbara.

957
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:15,320
I realized that I would be a virgin forever, condemned to suffer rejection and humiliation

958
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,160
at the hands of women because they don't fancy me, because their sexual attractions

959
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,520
are flawed.

960
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,200
They are attracted to the wrong type of male.

961
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:28,040
I always mused to myself that I would rather die than suffer such an existence, and I knew

962
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:33,760
that if it came to that, I would exact my revenge upon the world in the most catastrophic

963
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,640
way possible, at least then I could die knowing that I fought back against the injustice that

964
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,840
had been dealt to me, end quote.

965
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,000
Like, he really feels scorned.

966
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:51,120
Like, he really, really believes that he's being overlooked and he's kind of like this

967
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,400
silent god amongst men, you know?

968
00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:00,880
Why doesn't he try to become one of these guys that gets these girls then?

969
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,960
I mean, yeah, maybe he did the frosted tips or whatever.

970
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,720
Maybe he did the Armani.

971
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,800
But like, why doesn't he go out for sports?

972
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,480
Become a jock himself if those are what girls like, because he doesn't want to fucking put

973
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:14,480
in the effort.

974
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:15,480
Yeah.

975
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,560
And I don't get me wrong, like, people should love you for you.

976
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,200
You shouldn't have to change for anyone.

977
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,560
But he's clearly so bent out of shape about it.

978
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,840
He could have done that.

979
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:24,840
Maybe it would have worked.

980
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:25,840
Or you know what you could have done?

981
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,840
Or you know what you could have done?

982
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,440
Yeah, just be nice to people or actually try to talk to people.

983
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,800
And so they're just writing about them for years on end and stalking their social media

984
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,760
with creeper profiles.

985
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:41,880
Ely had then devised his secret plan in which he called the day of retribution.

986
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,080
He says, for who?

987
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,080
He says, quote, I will destroy all women because I can never have them.

988
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,560
I will make them all suffer for rejecting me.

989
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,880
I will arm myself with deadly weapons and wage a war against all women and the men they

990
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,360
are attracted to.

991
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,080
And I will slaughter them like animals that they are.

992
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,240
If they won't accept me among them, then they are my enemies.

993
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:07,040
They showed me no mercy and I, in turn, will show them no mercy.

994
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,800
The prospect will be so sweet and justice will be ultimately served.

995
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:16,840
And of course, I will have to die in the act to avoid going to prison, end quote.

996
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,160
I, like, go ahead.

997
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,560
Keeping all this a secret from his parents and the fact that he had already dropped out,

998
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,000
Elliot would attend the premiere of The Hunger Games with Peter and Samaya, where there's

999
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,600
actual video of his walking the red carpet in March of 2012.

1000
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,360
Did he actually apologize to Sinea or whatever his name is?

1001
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:36,360
Samoya?

1002
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,360
No.

1003
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,360
So how did he hang out with him again?

1004
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,520
Didn't his dad say, like, hang out with us again?

1005
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,520
Only if you apologize?

1006
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,520
No, at the house.

1007
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,520
By the way, have you got that?

1008
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,520
You're not allowed to come to the house.

1009
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,240
Yeah, we don't want you in the house.

1010
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:52,000
It's really eerie because he's already thought about his plan, at least, or this day.

1011
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,720
And there's no doubt that playing over the video, you can see him just kind of looking

1012
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:02,760
around like, these idiots have no idea, you know, kind of shit.

1013
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:03,760
The reckoning or whatever.

1014
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,760
The reckoning.

1015
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:05,760
The revelation.

1016
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:06,760
What is it?

1017
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:07,760
The retribution.

1018
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,760
Yeah, the retribution.

1019
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:09,760
That was super catchy, obviously.

1020
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,120
We definitely remembered it right off the bat.

1021
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:20,080
By June of 2012, Elliot was convinced that if he won the lottery, it would actually keep

1022
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,840
him from committing any crimes against anyone because he would finally be rich and therefore

1023
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,640
be desirable to women, like Randy Starr and the coin toss.

1024
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,400
Or here's a crazy idea, just like ask your dad for some money, maybe.

1025
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:39,760
That's what's strange to me about it, too, is the fact that his family is wealthy, so

1026
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,160
isn't he kind of wealthy by proxy?

1027
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:47,320
I understand that they want him to work for stuff because his dad worked for stuff.

1028
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:52,200
Well, I don't know, but his grandfather was that famous photographer, too.

1029
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,560
It's just another excuse.

1030
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,720
If this doesn't happen, then I'm gonna do this.

1031
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:57,200
If they don't want me, then I'm gonna do this.

1032
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,960
If they don't want me, well, you're not gonna make an effort, though.

1033
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:06,600
It's like, okay, if I sit here and I don't even know how to compare it to something.

1034
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,480
If I sit here and I pee my pants, then I'm gonna go jump off a cliff.

1035
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,400
It's like, yeah, that's gonna happen because you're sitting there forever.

1036
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,240
You have to eventually do something or else you're gonna fucking pee your pants.

1037
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:22,360
Not a very good analogy, but you know what I mean.

1038
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,920
Around this time, Elliot would say, quote, I tried to pretend as if I was part of a wealthy

1039
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:26,920
family.

1040
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:27,920
I should be.

1041
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,920
That was the life I was meant to live.

1042
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,240
I would be.

1043
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:37,280
If only my damnable mother had married into wealth instead of being selfish.

1044
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,160
If only my failure of a father had made better decisions with his directing career instead

1045
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,800
of wasting his money on that stupid documentary.

1046
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:44,800
End quote.

1047
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,800
Okay.

1048
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,360
But again, it's like everyone else's fault.

1049
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,360
Yeah.

1050
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,640
Everyone else's fault.

1051
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,080
And then he's like, okay, I don't win the lottery.

1052
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,080
I'm killing people.

1053
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,080
It doesn't buy a ticket.

1054
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,080
Yeah.

1055
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,080
Well, didn't win the lottery.

1056
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,080
Well, well, seriously.

1057
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,080
Two out of three.

1058
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,080
Fuck.

1059
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,080
Woo.

1060
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:07,920
Sometime in April, Elliot lost all contact with his best friend, James.

1061
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,240
He was essentially ghosted by James and although Elliot attempted multiple times to reach out

1062
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:17,760
to James, no conversation was ever had between the two as to why they became estranged.

1063
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,400
In July, 2012, Elliot was walking through one of his favorite parks.

1064
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,160
He would often like to people watch in the parks and he became enraged when he saw a

1065
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,880
group of young people playing kickball.

1066
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,480
The boys were of course tall, handsome jocks and the girls attractive blondes.

1067
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,560
Elliot recollected seeing one of the girls doing handstands and was aroused yet disgusted

1068
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,640
every time her shirt would fall down exposing the girl's midriff.

1069
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:42,640
Midriff.

1070
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:43,640
And you know it's midriff.

1071
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:44,640
I didn't know that until today.

1072
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,640
I thought it was middrift.

1073
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:46,640
Me too.

1074
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:47,640
No, it's a midriff.

1075
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,640
Why is it a midriff?

1076
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:49,640
Apparently.

1077
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:50,640
A midriff.

1078
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,640
But it's spelled like middrift.

1079
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,000
No, it doesn't have a T. It's double F's.

1080
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,000
No, it's...

1081
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,000
Sorry.

1082
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Settle down.

1083
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,000
I was angry.

1084
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,000
M-I-D-R-I-F-F.

1085
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,000
Midriff.

1086
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,000
No, it's not.

1087
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,000
It is.

1088
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,000
My mind was blown.

1089
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,000
What's that?

1090
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,720
It's like my mind was blown.

1091
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:08,720
What the hell?

1092
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,120
Her mouth swung open.

1093
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,120
She was like, wow.

1094
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,120
What?

1095
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,120
Why isn't it middrift?

1096
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,120
I don't know.

1097
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,120
I thought it was middrift.

1098
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,640
It's a midriff.

1099
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,720
Midriff derives from mid and a very old word for the belly.

1100
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:24,720
For the belly.

1101
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:25,720
For the belly.

1102
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:27,240
A riff is a belly.

1103
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:28,240
Huh.

1104
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:29,240
Yeah.

1105
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:30,240
Interesting.

1106
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:31,240
Wow.

1107
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:32,240
Well, you learned something today.

1108
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,240
I learned something today.

1109
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:34,240
I learned a lot today, actually.

1110
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,240
Hopefully everyone listening to this learned something today, also.

1111
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:38,240
True.

1112
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:41,840
Elliot decided to drive to the nearest store and purchase a super soaker that he filled

1113
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,680
with orange juice.

1114
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,040
He drove back to the park.

1115
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,880
So all this time to think about what he was going to do.

1116
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:47,880
Yeah, of course.

1117
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,200
He drove back to the park and began covering the group with orange juice.

1118
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,600
And did he get his ass kicked this time?

1119
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:54,600
No.

1120
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:55,600
What?

1121
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,160
He was actually kind of above them, if I remember correctly, so they would have to like...

1122
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,160
That's like the main...

1123
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,400
He was like on a ledge or something.

1124
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,400
Bad person.

1125
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:03,400
Yeah.

1126
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:04,400
Like a sniper.

1127
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,440
He said, quote, I wish I could have sprayed boiling oil at the foul beasts.

1128
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,760
They deserve to die horribly, painful deaths, just for the crime of enjoying a better life

1129
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:14,760
than me.

1130
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:15,760
End quote.

1131
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,000
Just for living their lives.

1132
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,000
And he's admitting it.

1133
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,920
You know, I take back what I said earlier.

1134
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,240
No way he has anti-social personality disorder.

1135
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:23,240
No fucking way.

1136
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:25,560
He's way too involved in these people's lives.

1137
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:26,560
It's so true.

1138
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,080
Oh my gosh.

1139
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,080
Like the anger.

1140
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,720
Where did this anger come from?

1141
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,440
I know that he had a rough childhood.

1142
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:38,320
I know that his parents split him in a lot of travel, but arguably nothing that bad happened

1143
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,320
to him.

1144
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,320
No, I mean that angry.

1145
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,440
I think that he's just completely disconnected.

1146
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,960
He never had a chance to connect, like, ever.

1147
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:45,960
Yeah.

1148
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,080
Because he was always moved around.

1149
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,080
That makes sense.

1150
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,440
He must feel like such isolation from like the human race, if anything.

1151
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:52,440
Yeah.

1152
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,960
They're all just like rats to him and he's like a fucking mad scientist.

1153
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,680
Dude, this is fucking wonky.

1154
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,000
So Elliot would quickly hop in his car and drive away from the scene.

1155
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,760
He's like, hey, hey, hey, they're sticky and they have vitamin C in their body.

1156
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:08,760
Vitamin C.

1157
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,840
I'm sure at first people were like, what the fuck?

1158
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,960
And then they were like, oh, it's orange juice.

1159
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,440
Okay, could be worse.

1160
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,440
Could be worse.

1161
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,440
I would be pissed.

1162
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,640
I hate orange juice.

1163
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,520
Elliot was beginning to be hopeful that he would win the lottery as the Mega Million

1164
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,320
Jackpot rose to $120 million by September of 2012.

1165
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,800
Okay.

1166
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,840
Elliot would often meditate trying to manifest his winning the lottery.

1167
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,440
He felt like it was his destiny to win the money.

1168
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,280
Thus the world would be saved from his wrath.

1169
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,640
He walked into a convenience store and purchased a $5 ticket.

1170
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,200
He would find out later that evening that, of course, he did not win the $120 million.

1171
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,120
Bro, imagine if he did.

1172
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,640
We wouldn't be talking about this right now.

1173
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:53,640
He is a god.

1174
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,160
He predicted that shit.

1175
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,400
No, like, dead ass.

1176
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:03,240
No, but honestly, like, all this time that he's been spending thinking about this and

1177
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:05,280
writing his manifesto, like, he could have been working.

1178
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,240
He could have saved a sizable amount of money by this point.

1179
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:12,280
I think around this time as well, he was traveling to and from Arizona to also buy

1180
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,760
tickets in Arizona.

1181
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,760
Yeah.

1182
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,080
So you're spending money instead of trying to make money?

1183
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,560
Instead of trying to make it.

1184
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:19,560
Cool.

1185
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:24,120
Elliot now moved into his new apartment for the semester but had yet to gain any roommates.

1186
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:29,280
And after he realized that he lost, or not lost, but did not win.

1187
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,280
Yeah.

1188
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,280
That's so true.

1189
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,280
It's not like he didn't lose anything.

1190
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,280
He didn't lose anything.

1191
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,280
Except for his $5.

1192
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:43,160
Except for his five bucks.

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1201
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:23,920
So again, he was living by himself at this point and he proceeded to get extremely intoxicated.

1202
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,080
And he actually started destroying some of his own property, including his laptop.

1203
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,720
He cried and he screamed into pillows all night long until he cried himself to sleep.

1204
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:38,080
But like at this point, he felt like his brain was breaking because he had put all of everything

1205
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,120
that he had waited like six months for this.

1206
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,600
And he's like, it's all going to be worth it because I'm going to win that money and

1207
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,400
then I can start the rest of my life.

1208
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:54,080
I know I've been like making some like kind of harsh jokes and comments about him, but

1209
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,800
that's got to really fucking suck.

1210
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:04,160
Like genuinely thinking that you are so on the outside from everyone and not having anything

1211
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:09,920
in your mind that should prove you otherwise, should prove you wrong.

1212
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,160
Yeah, it's true.

1213
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,480
We can sit here and say, well, why don't you just go fucking get a job?

1214
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,280
Why can't you just go fucking whatever?

1215
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,000
But his brain doesn't think that way.

1216
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:25,360
His brain only thinks of these linear little storylines that he has.

1217
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,560
And I don't, again, don't want to necessarily blame the parents because they have done a

1218
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,320
bunch of things different, absolutely.

1219
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:39,480
But I do think that they kind of missed the mark on making him independent.

1220
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,960
I feel like his whole young childhood, he was just following in their footsteps, going

1221
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,800
wherever they needed to go for work, just kind of having whatever he wanted, all the

1222
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,240
money he could have.

1223
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:52,120
And then when he became an adult, they were like, okay, figure it out.

1224
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,520
Instead of having him be independent little by little as he was younger growing up, well,

1225
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,880
then kind of easing him into the real world instead of just throwing him into the real

1226
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,440
world when he became old enough.

1227
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,000
But they're not really throwing him either.

1228
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,520
They're paying for his apartment and shit.

1229
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:05,520
He doesn't have a job.

1230
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:06,520
That's true.

1231
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:07,520
That is true.

1232
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,080
I mean, this is like them thinking, okay, the next step in a affluent privileged young

1233
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:17,320
man's life is to go to college and go live in student housing and go do that.

1234
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:23,320
Although he probably thought in his brain, why should I have to work when I've been given

1235
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:24,960
everything my whole life already?

1236
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,160
Why can't you just continue giving me everything and anything I want?

1237
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:35,040
And they probably thought he wants for nothing, but that doesn't negate him potentially having

1238
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,520
like a passion of some kind.

1239
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:42,040
It just allows the money to be there for whatever you want.

1240
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,520
He could have been, he could have had passions like being a drummer or whatever.

1241
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,440
So far his only passion that we see like at all, and I probably, I think I might have

1242
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:55,160
mentioned it in the last episode that he had a PC, so he did like gaming, video gaming,

1243
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,960
and he was always, he always liked video games, but his other passion was like Game of Thrones.

1244
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,880
So he was really like into fantasy, D&D, you know, World of Warcraft stuff like that as

1245
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:04,880
well.

1246
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,560
So he was also just a really nerdy guy too, you know?

1247
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:09,560
Yeah, I don't know.

1248
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,000
It's hard because you don't really know who to blame in this instance.

1249
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,360
Like you want to blame him, you kind of want to blame the parents, at least me.

1250
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,840
Maybe nature, I don't know.

1251
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,440
It's just, it just feels like there's, it's not enough that went wrong to create this,

1252
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,240
in my opinion.

1253
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:30,680
So now Elliot Roger is a 21 year old virgin who has never been kissed.

1254
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,120
He was not a billionaire.

1255
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,800
He was barely making it through school.

1256
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:42,600
And Elliot decided that his new thing that he would get into would be guns.

1257
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:47,360
So he started visiting gun ranges and eventually would purchase a Glock 34 semi-automatic pistol

1258
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,560
by December 2012.

1259
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:55,240
During this time, Elliot was actually seeing psychiatrist Dr. Charles Sophie.

1260
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:56,240
You know that name?

1261
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:57,240
I do.

1262
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:58,240
Yeah, from Dr. Phil.

1263
00:53:58,240 --> 00:53:59,240
From Dr. Phil, I was gonna say that.

1264
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:00,240
Yeah, that was Elliot's psychiatrist.

1265
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:01,240
Yikes.

1266
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:02,240
Isn't that inco...

1267
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:04,520
That's kind of, I don't know, I thought that was kind of cool.

1268
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,120
But hey, everybody knows Dr. Sophie.

1269
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,240
That's pretty dope, but everyone also knows Elliot Roger got off her kid thing.

1270
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:11,240
Whoops.

1271
00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:12,240
Yeah.

1272
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:15,680
His parents were the ones that arranged this after some discussion with Elliot about his

1273
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:16,680
depression.

1274
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,520
So they sort of knew what was going on, but again, he's in Santa Barbara.

1275
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,040
They didn't really have him around all the time, but this was after a very lengthy phone

1276
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,000
conversation between his mom and Elliot.

1277
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,000
Okay.

1278
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:35,400
Nevertheless, a six hour P226 was purchased the following spring, 2013, and Elliot described

1279
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,360
this gun to be more efficient in acting out his day of retribution.

1280
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,240
So he still had plans to go through this.

1281
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:43,240
Okay.

1282
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:44,760
Did he tell Dr. Sophie about any of this?

1283
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,800
You know, if I know it's all privileged information.

1284
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,920
I don't think so.

1285
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,560
Elliot also found a website that was dedicated to discussing and supporting the ideas that

1286
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:59,280
women were evil and vile, that they are essentially put on this earth to ruin men.

1287
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,280
Thank you.

1288
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:01,280
Or create men.

1289
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,280
Whatever you want to see it.

1290
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,280
Whatever you want to see.

1291
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:04,280
You don't want to, you know, whatever.

1292
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,280
Yeah.

1293
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,160
I mean, you wouldn't fucking be here.

1294
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,360
Whatever.

1295
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:16,040
He did begin to fall down a rabbit hole that has since been dubbed the mannosphere, right?

1296
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:21,520
So he fell down this wealth of information, apparently, no pun intended.

1297
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:27,080
So the mannosphere is a collection of websites, blogs, and online forums promoting masculinity,

1298
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,360
misogyny, and the opposition to feminism.

1299
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,760
The mannosphere overlaps with the far right and alt-right communities.

1300
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:39,160
It has also been associated with online harassment and has been implicated in radicalizing men

1301
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,600
into misogynistic beliefs and glorifying the violence against women.

1302
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,120
So these are like real gems.

1303
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,760
Yeah, I'm actually a part of that organization.

1304
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:48,760
In disguise.

1305
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:49,760
In disguise.

1306
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:50,760
In disguise.

1307
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:51,760
In disguise.

1308
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:52,760
In disguise.

1309
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:53,760
In disguise.

1310
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,960
Yeah, so these are real stand-up gents, real gentlemen.

1311
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,160
You know, I bet they hold the door for you.

1312
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,160
Real nice folks.

1313
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,160
So, yeah.

1314
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:06,800
In July of 2013, Elliot made it a point to work out every day for two weeks straight

1315
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,280
and then attend an upcoming party.

1316
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,000
He's like, I'm going to work out for like two fucking weeks and then I'm going to be

1317
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,960
I'm going to be so buff before this party in two weeks.

1318
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:15,960
When was said party?

1319
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:16,960
July 20th.

1320
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:17,960
Shit.

1321
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,240
And this is a few days before his 22nd birthday.

1322
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:24,720
That's my best friend's birthday.

1323
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:28,200
Elliot got swasty before attending this party.

1324
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,960
He was so nervous he went in thinking that this may be the night that he may lose his

1325
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:33,960
virginity.

1326
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,160
So he got really drunk because we all know that works.

1327
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,080
Well, yeah, and he's like super swole now.

1328
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,320
Yeah, he's super swole.

1329
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,680
He can handle his vodka.

1330
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,160
Yeah, absolutely.

1331
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,160
Heard.

1332
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,000
I found this really funny, so I put it in here.

1333
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:55,640
He calls beer pong quote a crude drinking game like you're so above beer pong.

1334
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,360
I still fuck with beer pong.

1335
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:58,360
Lighten up.

1336
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,800
What did beer pong do to you?

1337
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:01,800
Yeah, calm down.

1338
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:02,800
It's so crude.

1339
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,800
Oh my God, how dare them.

1340
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:05,800
I'm just going to get wasted.

1341
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,640
But the people that are actually trying to enjoy their time are so crude.

1342
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,880
And pace themselves.

1343
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:18,240
Of course, Elliot shows up and expects people to just start talking to him.

1344
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:19,560
So he was doing his favorite thing.

1345
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,520
He was watching people and he was stewing, right?

1346
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,320
Yeah, he's just cross armed in the corner.

1347
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:29,600
He noticed an Asian man talking to a white girl and this absolutely enraged Elliot.

1348
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,680
He felt that he was superior because at least he was half Asian, therefore making it more

1349
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:39,160
sense that this white girl would be more attracted to him than this Asian man.

1350
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,160
Okay.

1351
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,160
Yeah.

1352
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,160
He called himself Eurasian.

1353
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,160
He was like, oh, I'm Eurasian.

1354
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,160
I'm exotic.

1355
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,040
His previous statements don't really align with me.

1356
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,040
Yeah.

1357
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,840
Well, he's just a racist piece of shit.

1358
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:56,200
Yeah, it's the same.

1359
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,840
He thinks that white people are superior.

1360
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,920
He wants to be white, essentially.

1361
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:01,920
Okay.

1362
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:02,920
You know what I mean?

1363
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,480
Just in the way that he thinks that he's portraying himself.

1364
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,840
Yeah, I understand that.

1365
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:08,840
Yeah.

1366
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:09,840
Okay.

1367
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,280
He just wishes he was white.

1368
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:17,640
I know that he could attract white women, but it's like it's the quality of the person.

1369
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,040
It has nothing to do with that.

1370
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:21,040
Nothing to do.

1371
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,000
Maybe it's because you're an asshole and you're standing in the fucking corner of the fucking

1372
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,440
party judging people.

1373
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,360
You've got a sour puss look on your face.

1374
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:28,360
You're wasted.

1375
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:29,360
You're wasted.

1376
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,360
You can barely stand up.

1377
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,760
Maybe that's why nobody wants to talk to you.

1378
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,560
It's all like, they're fucking pissing me off.

1379
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,560
They're fucking pissing me off.

1380
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,560
It's on the cross side.

1381
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:47,320
So he walked past the two in order to get inside and go out to the front of the house.

1382
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,120
He essentially shoulder checked the guy and said something under his breath, potentially

1383
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:57,480
a slur, although he didn't specify that in his manifesto, but he essentially had said

1384
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,560
something that was very offensive.

1385
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,720
Of course he didn't say what he said in the manifesto because he wanted to be like, wow,

1386
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,360
if that guy kicked his ass, he wanted to be like, well, this guy kicked my ass.

1387
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:06,360
I didn't even say anything.

1388
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,360
Yeah.

1389
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,360
He wanted it to be that guy's fault.

1390
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:10,360
Yeah.

1391
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:11,360
That guy didn't do anything though.

1392
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,360
It wasn't an altercation.

1393
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,360
I bet that's pissing him off even more than no one said anything.

1394
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,360
No one said anything.

1395
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,360
There was like whatever that guy's drunk.

1396
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,360
Elean Malone is not worth it.

1397
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:22,360
Yeah, it's time for him to go home.

1398
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:23,360
He's drunk.

1399
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:24,360
Yeah, it's only nine o'clock.

1400
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:29,720
Elean found a secluded ledge on the property and this ledge kind of fell down into the

1401
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,720
street, but it was like kind of had a bit of a view of the rest of the party, if that

1402
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,480
kind of makes sense.

1403
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:40,280
So he sat there, of course, and he's stewing and he's just being solo-dolo and just being

1404
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:45,840
mopey when all of a sudden a group of girls and guys kind of came over to this ledge as

1405
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:46,840
well.

1406
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,240
And because, I mean, it was a nice view and it's kind of secluded.

1407
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,240
And he doesn't own the place.

1408
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,240
He can't tell anybody where he's gone.

1409
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:53,240
Exactly.

1410
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,280
And he's just like, guys, could you just tell him having a moment by myself right now?

1411
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,280
They're my spot.

1412
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:58,280
They're my spot.

1413
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,160
I claimed this.

1414
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:01,160
This is mine.

1415
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,160
He like spreads out like all the way.

1416
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,160
He starts lying down.

1417
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:08,160
Please, please, please do not.

1418
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:09,160
Can't sit here.

1419
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,840
Yeah.

1420
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,560
So the group started laughing, dancing, just having fun.

1421
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,600
They're at a fucking party.

1422
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,600
Elliot's rage grew even more.

1423
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:22,360
He stood up and attempted to start shoving the girls and some of the guys off of the

1424
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,400
ledge, like off of the ledge.

1425
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:32,360
And it's not a very short distance, let's say that.

1426
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,840
It's at least like a story of a house.

1427
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,240
It's a pretty big fall.

1428
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:44,280
Elliot essentially was unsuccessful in this attempt and in fact was eventually pushed

1429
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,400
off the ledge himself by one of the other party goers.

1430
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,880
Yeah, that's kind of hilarious.

1431
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,240
He fell and would snap his ankle.

1432
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,360
He would break his leg.

1433
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,360
Not the lap.

1434
01:00:58,360 --> 01:00:59,360
It's not funny.

1435
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:00,360
It's not.

1436
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,360
It's like, what are you going to do to someone that's trying to push you off?

1437
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:03,360
You're going to push them off.

1438
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,760
Yeah, it's like, you know, I mean, it's not like it's like into a pool or anything.

1439
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:16,440
Yeah, just that I'm sure it's like, who do you think is falling and just crack.

1440
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,240
Dana told me about this meme that she saw the other day and it was like, this summer

1441
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,240
I'm not fucking around.

1442
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,800
If anybody pushes me in the pool, I'm not coming back up.

1443
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,800
Enjoy your murder charge, you asshole.

1444
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,000
I'm just not coming back up.

1445
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,760
I'm going to scare everyone at that party.

1446
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,440
Enjoy your murder charge.

1447
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,640
So Elliot tried to stumble away, but of course he realized his leg's broken, which is horrific.

1448
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:41,160
So he finally reached his car, but when he reached his car, he realized that he left

1449
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,160
his sunglasses behind.

1450
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,160
Gucci, of course, his mom had bought them.

1451
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,440
Just got a hobble back over.

1452
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:54,240
He was so drunk that he actually mistook the house next door to the party house as being

1453
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,600
where his sunglasses were.

1454
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,760
But there were also party goers that lived in that house.

1455
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,680
So it's not like they weren't a separate, totally separate thing.

1456
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,920
It's not like in a neighborhood because this is, of course, a college town.

1457
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:04,920
So there's tons of college kids.

1458
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,520
There's this quiet ass dark house next to it.

1459
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,200
And then this house is all lit up and bumping.

1460
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,280
He goes up to the quiet button to the witch house.

1461
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,280
There's a witch that lives there.

1462
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,280
My glass has got to be around here somewhere.

1463
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:17,280
My glass.

1464
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,360
I can't see a thing without my glasses.

1465
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:21,360
It's also at night.

1466
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:22,360
How do you remember your sunglasses?

1467
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:23,880
What are you about to drive?

1468
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,680
Because he wears his sunglasses at night.

1469
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:26,680
Duh.

1470
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:32,000
So he was so drunk he began berating anyone that was at the house, even though I think

1471
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,200
that they probably all knew each other.

1472
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:39,760
And either way, either he said one too many things or the party where he was shoving people,

1473
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,080
it either got around.

1474
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:46,640
Either way, a group of the guys began to beat the shit out of Elliot essentially.

1475
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:50,720
So he was probably like, fuck you motherfuckers, you took my sunglasses and you pushed me

1476
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:51,720
off the ledge.

1477
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,320
Yeah, and then my fucking ankle was broken and I got it to my mom.

1478
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:55,840
No, it was you.

1479
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,320
You were being the dickhead.

1480
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:02,400
Elliot began to swing back, landing a few punches, but this only fueled the mob more.

1481
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:06,480
Not only did he not get his Gucci sunglasses that his mom bought him, but he also lost

1482
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,000
the gold necklace that his grandma had bought him just a few months before that.

1483
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,000
Oh, that's kind of sad.

1484
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,240
I know.

1485
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:17,320
Elliot would be on crutches for at least six weeks and he would also require surgery to

1486
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:18,320
fix his ankle.

1487
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,000
Now that'll give him some attention.

1488
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,320
Well, this only depressed the fuck out of Elliot even more because he's like, who's

1489
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:25,320
gonna even want to do the cripple?

1490
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:26,320
That's what he is saying.

1491
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,320
Oh my.

1492
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:28,320
He said that.

1493
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:29,320
I didn't say that.

1494
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:30,320
He said that in the manifesto.

1495
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,040
What's your fucking did?

1496
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:33,680
That no one wanted to date cripples.

1497
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:34,680
That's what he said.

1498
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:35,680
False.

1499
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:36,680
He's not crippled.

1500
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,000
He's on crutches for six weeks.

1501
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,640
You're temporarily on crutches.

1502
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:41,640
You're not disabled.

1503
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:42,640
Exactly.

1504
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,640
You're not disabled.

1505
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,200
Gosh.

1506
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:50,160
Elliot realized that the day of his retribution would have to be postponed.

1507
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,840
I mean, yeah, what is he gonna do on crutches?

1508
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,000
Get on up there really quick.

1509
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,600
I can laugh because I was on crutches for six weeks and it fucking sucked.

1510
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:06,240
A session that Elliot would have with Dr. Sophie brought more frustration for Elliot.

1511
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:11,720
Recently, Lynn Leachon and Samaya had had an argument and Samaya showed up to the counseling

1512
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,880
session between Leachon, Peter and Elliot.

1513
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:15,960
So she was like, I'm going.

1514
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,080
The three of you have family counseling.

1515
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,080
I'm going.

1516
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:19,680
That's not how that works.

1517
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,480
That's how Samaya thinks it works.

1518
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,120
Insurance doesn't work like this.

1519
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,640
I don't know.

1520
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,360
Elliot said about this session, quote, for more than half of the conversation, the doctor

1521
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,320
spent time resolving this petty conflict instead of addressing the troubles that I was going

1522
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:35,480
through.

1523
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:39,400
When we finally did get to my session, Dr. Sophie ended up giving me the same useless

1524
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,440
advice that every other psychiatrist, psychologist and counselor had given me in the past.

1525
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,440
I don't know why my parents wasted money on therapy, as if it would never help me in

1526
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,480
my struggles against such a cruel and unjust world.

1527
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:57,000
The doctor ended up dismissing it by prescribing me a controversial medication, Respiradone.

1528
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:04,680
After researching this medication, I found that it was absolutely wrong for me to take.

1529
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,880
I refused to take it and I never saw Dr. Sophie again after that end quote.

1530
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,160
Because you're a doctor, right?

1531
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,880
Because you can decide that.

1532
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:13,880
Apparently.

1533
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,480
Okay, now I don't feel so bad for Dr. Sophie.

1534
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:16,480
I don't feel bad for Dr. Sophie.

1535
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,200
Because he wasn't like actively giving him therapy when this whole thing went down.

1536
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:25,720
I mean, I get how Elliot must have felt like, okay, these are my sessions to figure out

1537
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:30,240
my shit and they're going to try to figure out my stepmom and my mom's issues.

1538
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:31,240
Absolutely.

1539
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:32,320
I can completely get that.

1540
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,920
But I don't get the, first of all, I don't get that he's giving me the same useless advice.

1541
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,000
Well, yeah, it's not going to work with that attitude.

1542
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,640
Second of all, you're looking up a medication and deciding for yourself if it's going to

1543
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:42,640
work.

1544
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:43,640
Are you a psychiatrist?

1545
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:44,640
Right, exactly.

1546
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:50,200
So WebMD says that Respiradone is used to treat certain medical disorders or mood disorders,

1547
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:54,360
such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and irritability associated with autism spectrum

1548
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:55,360
disorder.

1549
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,880
Wow, he didn't like that.

1550
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,680
Respiradone belongs to a class of drugs called an atypical anti-psychotic.

1551
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:02,680
So.

1552
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,360
He, that's probably exactly what it was.

1553
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:06,720
He's like, oh, he's trying to call me crazy.

1554
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:07,720
I'm not crazy.

1555
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,720
Or he thinks I'm autistic and I'm not or whatever.

1556
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:10,720
Or I'm an ex-physicist or whatever.

1557
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:11,720
Yeah, exactly.

1558
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,040
That's, that's exactly why.

1559
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:18,240
But like here, here we are again for the millionth fucking time, not even giving it a chance

1560
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,240
blaming someone else.

1561
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:20,240
Yeah.

1562
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,080
Like it's a fucking cycle.

1563
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:26,240
By September, Elliot had thoughts of killing his little brother Ann Samaya, but decided

1564
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:30,280
that it might be too risky because he would hate to have to kill his father as well.

1565
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,960
So at first, Elliot decided to take advantage of his father's busy schedule and planned

1566
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,160
on killing the two while Peter was out of town.

1567
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:41,040
Two new roommates, James Hong and David Wang, would move into Elliot's arranged student

1568
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:42,160
housing.

1569
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:46,120
He hated the two men and said, quote, these are the biggest nerds I've ever seen.

1570
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,280
And they're also both very ugly with annoying voices, end quote.

1571
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,760
Would you rather than be like hot jocks?

1572
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,880
And quote, I knew that when the day of retribution came, I would have to kill my housemates to

1573
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,480
get them out of the way.

1574
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,760
If they were pleasant to live with, I would regret having to kill them.

1575
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,760
But due to their behavior, I now have no regrets about such a prospect.

1576
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,600
In fact, I'd even enjoy stabbing them both to death while they slept, end quote.

1577
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:10,920
Yeah, I remember that.

1578
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:11,920
That's really shitty.

1579
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,960
Ugh, that's awful.

1580
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,600
And these poor guys, they're just college kids.

1581
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:17,600
They just police.

1582
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:18,600
They just police, they're randomly.

1583
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,840
I had two random roommates in college.

1584
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,840
Neither one of them ever killed me.

1585
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,840
But who knows?

1586
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:25,840
Who knows?

1587
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:26,840
Who knows what could have been?

1588
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:28,600
God, that's so scary.

1589
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:34,160
Lee Chen would buy Elliot his prized black BMW later that year of 2013.

1590
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:38,400
He felt that this car was one that he had always deserved.

1591
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:39,680
For what?

1592
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,480
For doing what?

1593
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:42,480
Just being alive.

1594
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:43,480
Nothing?

1595
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:44,800
It was his, it was his namesake.

1596
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:45,800
It was his whatever.

1597
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:46,800
Yeah.

1598
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,360
It was the life that he deserves to have.

1599
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:50,360
Like, deserve-

1600
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,360
I deserve to have it.

1601
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:53,360
I'm entitled to this life.

1602
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,960
I haven't put, yeah, entitled this way better than I deserve because deserve means that

1603
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,680
it kind of implies that you worked for something.

1604
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:00,680
Yeah.

1605
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:05,040
Elliot went back to planning his rampage after the winter break and in January, began toying

1606
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:09,040
with the idea of committing it on Valentine's Day.

1607
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:13,240
He was worried that although restaurants would be busy, there might be tighter security

1608
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,480
and more cops around the college town that evening since people were probably going to

1609
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:20,240
be drinking and out and things like that.

1610
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:26,280
So he decided to set the date of Saturday, April 26, 2014 because he also said he needed

1611
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:27,280
more time to plan.

1612
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:28,680
He was like, I need more time to plan this.

1613
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,120
So not Valentine's Day?

1614
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,120
Not Valentine's Day.

1615
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:32,120
Not even close.

1616
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:33,120
What the fuck?

1617
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,600
Because Valentine's Day will be too crazy.

1618
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,000
How about Labor Day?

1619
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,000
Yeah.

1620
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,720
It looks like way fucking far away.

1621
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:47,000
It would purchase a third handgun, more ammunition, and various knives.

1622
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,360
Elliot's plan is as follows.

1623
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,240
Bear with me, everyone.

1624
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:57,560
Quote, On the day before the day of retribution, I will start the first phase of my vengeance,

1625
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:03,400
silently killing as many people as I can around Isla Vista by luring them into my apartment

1626
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,480
through some form of trickery.

1627
01:09:05,480 --> 01:09:06,480
He wasn't sure what yet.

1628
01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:08,560
Just some form of trickery.

1629
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,560
Is it not Isla Vista?

1630
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,560
Either way.

1631
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:13,560
Okay.

1632
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:14,560
Anyway.

1633
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,800
The first people I would have to kill are my two housemates, to secure the entire apartment

1634
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,600
for myself as my personal torture and killing chamber.

1635
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,600
After that, I will start luring people into my apartment, knock them out with a hammer,

1636
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,080
and slit their throats.

1637
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:32,240
I will torture some of the good-looking people before I kill them, assuming that it is the

1638
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,800
good-looking ones that had the best sex lives.

1639
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:40,520
All of that pleasure that they had in life, I will punish by bringing them pain and suffering.

1640
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:45,720
I have lived a life of pain and suffering, and it was time to bring that pain to people

1641
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,760
who actually deserve it.

1642
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:52,520
I will cut them, flay them, strip all the skin off their flesh, and pour boiling water

1643
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,880
all over them while they are still alive, as well as any form of torture I can possibly

1644
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,440
think of.

1645
01:09:58,440 --> 01:10:02,240
When they are dead, I will behead them and keep their heads in a bag, for their heads

1646
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:06,040
will play a major role in the final phase.

1647
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:10,280
This first phase will represent my vengeance against all of the men who have had pleasurable

1648
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,880
sex lives while I have had to suffer.

1649
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,800
Things will be fair once I make them suffer as I did.

1650
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,080
I will finally even the score.

1651
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:23,720
The second phase will take place on the day of retribution itself, just before the climactic

1652
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,040
massacre.

1653
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,720
The second phase will represent my war on women.

1654
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:31,440
I will punish all females for the crime of depriving me of sex.

1655
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:37,000
They have starved me of sex for my entire youth, and gave that pleasure to other men.

1656
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,200
In doing so, they took many years of my life away.

1657
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,480
I cannot kill every single female on earth, but I can deliver a devastating blow that

1658
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:48,240
will shake all of them to their core of their wicked hearts.

1659
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:52,360
I will attack the very girls who represent everything I hate in the female gender, the

1660
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,680
hottest sorority of UCSB.

1661
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,440
After doing a lot of extensive research within the last year, I found that the sorority with

1662
01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:01,800
the most beautiful girls is Alpha Phi.

1663
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:07,840
I know exactly where their house is, and I sat outside in my car to stalk them many

1664
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:08,840
times.

1665
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:13,040
Alpha Phi sorority is full of hot, beautiful, blonde girls.

1666
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:17,640
The kind of girls I've always desired but was never able to have because all of them

1667
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,520
looked down on me.

1668
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,200
They're all spoiled, heartless, wicked bitches.

1669
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,240
They think that they are superior to me, and if I ever tried to ask one out on a date,

1670
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,120
they would reject me cruelly.

1671
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:32,440
I will sneak into their house around 9pm on the day of retribution, just before all

1672
01:11:32,440 --> 01:11:36,120
of the parties are starting, and slaughter every single one of them with my guns and

1673
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:37,680
knives.

1674
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:42,040
If I have time, I will set their whole house on fire, then we shall see who the superior

1675
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:43,680
one really is.

1676
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:47,560
The final phase of the day of retribution will be my ultimate showdown in the streets

1677
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,360
of Ilavista.

1678
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:53,520
On the morning before, I will drive down to my father's house to kill my little brother,

1679
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:59,120
denying him of a chance to grow up to surpass me, along with my stepmother, Samaya, as she

1680
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,640
will be in the way as well.

1681
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,520
My father will be away on one of his business trips, so thankfully I won't have to deal

1682
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:06,640
with him.

1683
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,680
If he doesn't go away on that trip, I might even have to postpone the whole plan, because

1684
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,440
of fear that I might hesitate if I have to kill him.

1685
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:18,720
Once I've taken care of my brother and my stepmother, I will switch over to the Mercedes

1686
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,960
SUV and drive it back to Ilavista.

1687
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:26,280
I will use it as one of my killing machines against my enemies.

1688
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:30,000
An SUV will cause a lot more damage than my B&W coupe.

1689
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:34,120
After I have killed all of the sorority girls at Alpha Phi House, I will quickly get into

1690
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:38,920
the SUV before the police arrive, assuming that they would arrive within three minutes.

1691
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:45,120
I will then make my way to Del Playa, splattering as many of my enemies as I can with the SUV,

1692
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,240
and shooting anyone I don't splatter.

1693
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:51,520
I can only imagine how sweet it will be to ram the SUV into all those groups of popular

1694
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:55,960
young people who have always witnessed, I've always witnessed, walking right in the middle

1695
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,120
of the road as if they were better than anyone else.

1696
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:03,800
They are in writhing pain, their bodies broken and dying after I splatter them.

1697
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,240
They will fully realize their crimes.

1698
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:10,360
Once I reach Del Playa Street, I will dump the bag of severed heads I have saved from

1699
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:15,840
my previous victims, proclaiming to everyone how much I've made them all suffer.

1700
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:20,080
Once they see all of their friends' heads rolling onto the street, everyone will fear

1701
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,600
me as a powerful god that I am.

1702
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,400
I will then start massacring everyone on Del Playa Street.

1703
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:29,400
I will pull up next to a house party and fire bullets at everyone partying in their front

1704
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:30,400
yard.

1705
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:34,640
I will specifically target the good looking people and all of the couples.

1706
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:39,120
After I have destroyed a house party, I will continue down Del Playa, destroying everything

1707
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,560
in everyone.

1708
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:45,000
When I see the first police car come to their rescue, I will drive away as fast as I can,

1709
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:50,560
shooting and ramming anyone in my path until I find a suitable place to finally end my life.

1710
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,640
To end my life, I will quickly swallow all of the Xanax and Vicodin pills I have left,

1711
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,600
along with an ample amount of hard liquor.

1712
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,000
Immediately after imbibing this mixture, I will shoot myself in the head with two of

1713
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,560
my handguns simultaneously.

1714
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:07,360
If the gunshots don't kill me, the deadly drug mixture eventually will.

1715
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,160
I will not suffer being captured and sent to prison.

1716
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,920
I must plan this very efficiently.

1717
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:15,360
Everything can go wrong.

1718
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,120
It needs to be perfect.

1719
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,040
This is now my sole purpose on this world.

1720
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:24,760
My plans will come to fruition and I mustn't let anyone stop me."

1721
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:28,760
That was a lot.

1722
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:29,760
Sorry.

1723
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:34,920
There is so many things wrong with that whole quote.

1724
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:36,200
I'll say.

1725
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:41,480
The first thing being, how are you going to lure people into your fucking house when clearly,

1726
01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:44,240
according to you, no one will even knock you.

1727
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:45,240
So wrong.

1728
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:50,860
Second of all, I am not feared.

1729
01:14:50,860 --> 01:14:53,240
You said all women would be feared from what you're doing?

1730
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:54,240
Nope.

1731
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:55,240
Not me.

1732
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:56,240
Sorry.

1733
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:57,240
You missed one.

1734
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,200
Also, how does he think he's going to get away with all of these things simultaneously

1735
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,320
before the cops get there?

1736
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,320
There is literally no way.

1737
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:08,680
He could do all of that and then still have time to kill himself.

1738
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,560
It's also part of the delusion, part of the fantasy.

1739
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:11,560
I know it is.

1740
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:12,560
I'm sorry.

1741
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:13,880
I'm really thinking of it logistically.

1742
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:14,880
Yeah, no.

1743
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:15,880
Well, he's not.

1744
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:16,880
Clearly.

1745
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:20,760
I'm sorry.

1746
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:24,120
He literally went from, what was me?

1747
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:29,360
No one will talk to me to the biggest criminal mastermind, like eviscerating bodies and

1748
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:30,360
decapitating people.

1749
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,480
There's no fucking way he would actually do that.

1750
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:34,280
You know where there's a lot of decapitation?

1751
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:35,280
Game of Thrones.

1752
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:36,280
Yeah, exactly.

1753
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:37,960
Obviously, it's a delusion.

1754
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:43,040
He clearly doesn't realize the amount of strength, mental strength, and physical strength that

1755
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,040
takes.

1756
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:45,040
There's no way.

1757
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,960
For like, skin bodies and boil them and all this stuff.

1758
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,000
Yeah, and in fact, he thinks someone's still going to be alive after he skins them.

1759
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,000
The whole holy?

1760
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,000
Wrong.

1761
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:53,000
Yeah.

1762
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,000
Okay, sorry.

1763
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,200
Again, it's just a bunch of spewed out bullshit.

1764
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,480
It's no wonder the manifesto is fucking long as shit.

1765
01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:01,200
It's very long.

1766
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:05,280
Elliot then began to record YouTube videos and upload them.

1767
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:09,440
These videos were him explaining his hurt feelings towards men and women and how he

1768
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:13,600
was to enact revenge on them.

1769
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,560
Essentially he was saying that something big was to come.

1770
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:21,200
So after these were uploaded a few days before the crime was to take place, it was like the

1771
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:26,400
24th or something, so he uploaded these like a few days before he was supposed to commit

1772
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:27,400
this crime.

1773
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:28,920
Great, no one said anything.

1774
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:34,440
Elliot began to get sick, and he had decided to postpone his date until May 24th.

1775
01:16:34,440 --> 01:16:38,800
About a week after the uploads, Elliot answered his front door and was surprised that seven

1776
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,000
police officers were knocking on the door.

1777
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,920
Oh, weird.

1778
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:49,720
His own mother had seen the videos and had asked for a welfare check on Elliot.

1779
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,200
After talking for some time, the police left.

1780
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,600
They never once checked his room.

1781
01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:01,960
Had they, they would have found manifestos, journals, writings of all various kinds, guns,

1782
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,920
knives, ammunition, a bunch of shit.

1783
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,000
Yeah, everything that he would potentially use.

1784
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,000
But they didn't.

1785
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:10,120
Of course not.

1786
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:18,720
On the evening of May 23rd, 2014, okay, now he's no longer Elliot, he's Roger, okay?

1787
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:19,800
Elliot, Roger, okay?

1788
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:21,440
He's Roger.

1789
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:23,160
Roger began his crimes.

1790
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:28,760
He killed James Hong first, then after some time his second roommate, David Wang.

1791
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:33,400
A friend of the two arrived sometimes later, his name was George Chen.

1792
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,360
Roger would end up stabbing George 94 times.

1793
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,760
I forgot about that.

1794
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,160
94 times.

1795
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:44,400
It is unclear how far apart the men were killed from the last one, but what we do know is

1796
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:49,600
that it appeared that Roger had tried to clean up after each crime so that each victim would

1797
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,440
not be suspicious whenever they would arrive home or arrive to the apartment.

1798
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:58,400
So he was essentially trying to enact that first part of his plan, where he would try

1799
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:02,520
to kill as many people as possible coming into the apartment.

1800
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:07,520
By 8pm that night on the 23rd, Roger was seen at a local Starbucks where he ordered his

1801
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:08,520
usual latte.

1802
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:11,160
This is after killing three people.

1803
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:12,960
Yeah, just casual.

1804
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:17,640
Around 8.30pm, witnesses saw him sitting in his car on his laptop.

1805
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:23,320
His mom had essentially replaced the one that he had destroyed previously, by the way.

1806
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,520
Like he was like, oh, I don't know what happened to my computer, just stopped working.

1807
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,200
What happened to it again?

1808
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:29,360
He destroyed it when he was drunk.

1809
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:30,360
Oh, yeah.

1810
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:34,920
I think he actually spilled something on it, but either way it was in this fit of rage

1811
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,000
he was having.

1812
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:42,600
By 9.17pm, Roger uploaded his last YouTube video titled Retribution.

1813
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:48,400
And at 9.18, he sent out his manifesto email to multiple people, including Dr. Sophie.

1814
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:49,400
Dang.

1815
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:55,240
Dr. Sophie saw the email and immediately phoned Lee Chen and Peter saying that Roger was in

1816
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,440
immediate danger and they needed to head to Santa Barbara.

1817
01:18:57,440 --> 01:18:58,760
Oh my god, I didn't know about that.

1818
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,200
That's so scary.

1819
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,640
Imagine getting that email, imagine getting that phone call.

1820
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:04,640
Yeah.

1821
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,400
And apparently he did also send it to his parents as well.

1822
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:12,080
I think some old high school friends, I think maybe even Maddie, James, Philip.

1823
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:16,600
The two parents would each call police and both travel separately to Santa Barbara from

1824
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,120
Los Angeles.

1825
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:25,560
Roger with his black BMW packed full of supplies headed down to the Alpha Phi Sorority House.

1826
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:29,440
Roger began banging on the front door, but the knocks were so loud and aggressive that

1827
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:33,040
the occupants inside knew that something wasn't right so they did not answer the door.

1828
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,040
Yeah, what the fuck?

1829
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:35,040
Yeah.

1830
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:36,040
We need to blow your cover.

1831
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:37,040
I mean, good thing he did.

1832
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,040
No.

1833
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:39,040
Yeah.

1834
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:40,040
Well, good on those girls too for being really smart.

1835
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,040
Yeah.

1836
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:46,240
So no one answered the door that night and this only of course fueled Roger's rage.

1837
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:50,240
He saw a few girls from another sorority outside near the Alpha Phi House.

1838
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:55,760
He began firing, striking Catherine Cooper 22 and Veronica Weiss 19.

1839
01:19:55,760 --> 01:20:00,280
An additional young woman was hit, Bianca de Coq, but she would survive her wounds unlike

1840
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:03,320
Catherine and Veronica.

1841
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:07,240
Roger sped off in his BMW, trying to look for his next target.

1842
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,840
He took aim at a coffee shop, but thankfully it was unoccupied at the time.

1843
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,040
So now it's like screw the plan, anybody that I see.

1844
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:15,040
Anybody I see.

1845
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:16,040
Yeah.

1846
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:20,720
He continued driving until he got to the Ivy Deli, getting out of his car and opening fire

1847
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:22,040
at the store.

1848
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,040
Opening fire?

1849
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,040
Opening fire.

1850
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:25,040
Yeah, that makes sense.

1851
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,040
Does it?

1852
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:27,040
Like I opened fire.

1853
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,360
Yeah, he opened fire.

1854
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,960
He was shooting indiscriminately until he caught Christopher Martinez with a single

1855
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:34,960
shot.

1856
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:40,040
He began to take aim and he killed the man as he tried to enter the doorway of the Deli.

1857
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:44,360
Roger fled the scene, shooting out his window at unsuspecting pedestrians.

1858
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:49,760
Roger saw bicyclist Jen Fu traveling down the opposite direction of himself and chose

1859
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:53,520
to swerve into oncoming traffic and hit the cyclist head on.

1860
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,360
But the bus was in his car?

1861
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,360
Yeah, with his vehicle.

1862
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,720
Jen Fu miraculously would only suffer minor injuries from this.

1863
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,280
Dude, these poor fucking people are just going about their nights.

1864
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:05,480
That one guy just wanted a sandwich.

1865
01:21:05,480 --> 01:21:06,480
This lady's just on a bike ride.

1866
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:07,480
Yeah, absolutely.

1867
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:08,480
Or it was a guy.

1868
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:10,120
I said that one guy.

1869
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:13,000
Jen Fu, you said this lady was just on a bike ride.

1870
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:14,000
Jen?

1871
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:15,000
J-E-N.

1872
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:16,000
J-I-N.

1873
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,400
Oh, I was like, did you not say Jen?

1874
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:20,680
This person was on a bike.

1875
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:21,680
This man.

1876
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:22,680
He was a man.

1877
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:23,680
Damn.

1878
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:28,240
Roger would continue to shoot randomly at pedestrians as well as swerving into in an

1879
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,760
effort to run people over.

1880
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:35,400
Roger shot at a pizza place, enjoying Aaron Zaglin and Bailey Maples, who were sitting

1881
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,040
inside the pizza place.

1882
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:43,960
Once on, bear with me, El Encabarero's Drive.

1883
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:50,120
Roger shot and wounded Megan Carlotto, Serena Schwartz, and Deputy Marquise, who was also

1884
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:51,720
returning fire at the time.

1885
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:52,720
Deputy would return fire.

1886
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:53,720
Because he was just going down there.

1887
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,280
I mean, you can hear it, because this is all within blocks of each other.

1888
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:57,280
He's just driving up.

1889
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:58,280
Multiple people are calling.

1890
01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:59,280
Like, he's right here.

1891
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:00,280
Oh, I'm sure.

1892
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:01,280
He's right here.

1893
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,840
Unfortunately, this did not stop Roger as he was not struck by any of the deputies of

1894
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,440
gunfire.

1895
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:10,720
On Del Playa Drive, Roger struck two young men walking on the sidewalk with his car, Patrick

1896
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:15,560
Eger 19, and Nick, I think it's Past Chuk?

1897
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:16,560
Past Chuk?

1898
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:17,560
Past Chuk?

1899
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:18,560
Past Chuk.

1900
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,720
Nick Past Chuk, he was also 19.

1901
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,480
Turning on to Kamino Del Ser, he was 19 at the time.

1902
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:26,920
They would both survive, my bad.

1903
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:31,560
Turning on to Kamino Del Ser, Christopher Hoang would be shot three times and survive

1904
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:32,560
this attack.

1905
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:33,560
Damn.

1906
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:38,440
Sabado Tarde is where Roger would strike Victor Garcia with his car.

1907
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:42,600
Trying to run over Aaron, I think it's Sengupta?

1908
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:49,560
He would strike Mitchell Labeersky, strike Elliot Guy, shoot Matthew Smith three times,

1909
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:56,000
shoot Anthony, I think it's Cherchane, I'm gonna keep saying I think, Anthony Cherchane

1910
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:01,120
four times, attempt to shoot Alexander Cardane and have a shootout with at least four police

1911
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,960
officers when circling back on Del Playa Drive.

1912
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:06,040
Damn.

1913
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:10,640
So when he circled back on Del Playa, this is where Roger would essentially be struck

1914
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:13,220
in the hip by gunfire.

1915
01:23:13,220 --> 01:23:17,680
He would attempt to take the life of 21-year-old Keith Cheung by striking him with his vehicle

1916
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:21,080
in an effort to pin the man between his vehicle and a parked car.

1917
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:22,720
Oh my gosh, ow.

1918
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:23,720
Keith would survive.

1919
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:28,160
However, Roger's reign of terror would come to an end.

1920
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:32,680
After striking the parked car, the BMW was no longer operable, and there in this car

1921
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:36,520
that his mother brought him, Elliot Roger would take his own life by self-inflicted gunshot

1922
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,080
wound to the head.

1923
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:42,680
He was pronounced dead at 9.35 just 17 minutes after he sent the email.

1924
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:44,560
Holy shit.

1925
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:46,760
All that in 17 minutes.

1926
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:47,760
Damn.

1927
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,120
And it's manifested what sounded like it was gonna take hours for his whole plan to

1928
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:52,120
come to fruition.

1929
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:58,000
Well, I think it would have because he was gonna sneak into the Alpha Phi sorority by

1930
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,640
like nine and then he was gonna like slaughter them all.

1931
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:05,800
But he also had gauged it to be only three minutes that he would commit this crime because

1932
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,560
he said the cops would be there in three minutes and then he would take off.

1933
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,360
Yeah, but he sent the email after he killed his two roommates and the third guy, correct?

1934
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:13,360
Yeah.

1935
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,360
Okay, so after that, he sent the email.

1936
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:16,360
Right.

1937
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:17,360
Okay.

1938
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:18,360
At 9.18.

1939
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,160
But his original plan, he wanted to be at the sorority house, but he thought he was probably

1940
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,880
gonna be there for at least an extra few minutes.

1941
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:24,880
Yeah, yeah.

1942
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,880
It wasn't gonna be like an hour long.

1943
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:27,880
Damn.

1944
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:28,880
That's wild.

1945
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,000
So as Peter and Lee Chen approached their son's apartment, there were receiving news

1946
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:36,400
reports of an active shooter in the Santa Barbara area, a shooter driving a black BMW.

1947
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:37,900
Oh no.

1948
01:24:37,900 --> 01:24:42,640
Peter had been frantically calling his son's phone the entire trip with no answer.

1949
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,960
Police advised the parents that the ID that had been found in the pocket of the perpetrator

1950
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,200
and of course it matched their son's ID.

1951
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:54,280
They learned that their son's crime and of what he had done and of his death.

1952
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:58,600
The bodies of Wang, Chen and Hong would not be found until the following day as investigators

1953
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,720
were gonna go to his apartment to collect evidence, so they had no idea.

1954
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,400
Oh my gosh, that's so awful.

1955
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:09,200
Through more investigating, it was determined that Elliot Roger did in fact have a diagnosis

1956
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,800
that maybe some of our listeners might not expect.

1957
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:17,960
Elliot Roger in 2007 had been diagnosed with pervasive developmental disorder, which is

1958
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,960
now under the autism spectrum disorder blanket that we know now today.

1959
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:27,400
And probably why he got prescribed the medication that he did, that he refused to take.

1960
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:31,440
Because it was for irritability with autism spectrum disorder.

1961
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:36,760
Then in 2007, the signs and symptoms of PDD or atypical autism criteria, much like aspirators

1962
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:41,600
at the time, were these signs or symptoms.

1963
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:45,840
Communication difficulties, i.e. using and understanding language.

1964
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,720
Difficulty with social behavior.

1965
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:52,280
Uneven skill development, strengths in some areas while having delays in others.

1966
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,880
Unusual play with toys or other objects.

1967
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:58,320
Relative body movement or behavior patterns.

1968
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:02,600
Preoccupation with fantasies that interfere and that are not normal to have at a certain

1969
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:07,160
age depending on social, cultural, and religious norms.

1970
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,160
Unconventional perception of the world.

1971
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:14,360
And maladaptive daydreaming, excessive daydreaming interfering with daily life.

1972
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:23,280
So it is still technically part of the ICD-10, which is more medical usage instead of psychiatric,

1973
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,120
like the DSM-5 is.

1974
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,120
But this used to be in the DSM-4.

1975
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,880
It's just now under autism spectrum.

1976
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:35,080
So earlier in the episode, I did mention that my thoughts about his sexuality and maybe

1977
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:36,080
what was going on there.

1978
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:39,560
I was just gonna say really quick, sorry before you get into that on the last note.

1979
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:42,720
Sounds like Dr. Sophie knew what the fuck he was talking about as he usually does.

1980
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:44,360
That's all I wanted to say.

1981
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,240
Dr. Sophie, if you're listening, we love you.

1982
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:47,240
And he's Bay.

1983
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:48,240
He's Bay.

1984
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:52,320
So again, earlier in the episode, I did mention my thoughts about his sexuality a little bit.

1985
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:56,840
And I think that I don't think he really knew what it meant to have a sexuality.

1986
01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:03,560
I think that his potential autism diagnosis allowed him to fixate on women, much like

1987
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:10,720
some people on the autism spectrum disorder kind of category that they usually fixate

1988
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:12,880
on one thing or another.

1989
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:19,200
You know, I do know kettos that fixate on dinosaurs or cars or colors or there's that

1990
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,600
one kid on TikTok that does the fonts.

1991
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:22,600
Yeah.

1992
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,120
Oh my gosh, I love that kid.

1993
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:29,440
So again, I think that his fixation was just women.

1994
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:34,480
And a lot of it when he talks about women is not, he just, all he can say over and over

1995
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:37,400
and over again is I want a tall blonde.

1996
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:38,400
I want a tall blonde.

1997
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,400
I want a beautiful tall blonde.

1998
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,320
Not I want somebody who cares about me.

1999
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:46,120
I want somebody who can listen to me or understand me.

2000
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:50,520
I want, you know, things that you would normally say that you would want in a partner.

2001
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:51,520
That didn't matter to him.

2002
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:55,360
And I think it's because he looked at women as an object.

2003
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,720
Yeah, as an object.

2004
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,920
Like they are all in one like category.

2005
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:04,320
They're all one entity, if that makes sense.

2006
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:10,520
And I think that's why, like I said, I think it has to do with a potential autism diagnosis.

2007
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:11,520
I agree.

2008
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:12,520
Yeah, completely.

2009
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:16,640
And honestly, like it almost sounded like he may be asexual at the beginning.

2010
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:17,640
Yeah.

2011
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,480
Now that you explained it like that, it makes a little bit more sense to me.

2012
01:28:19,480 --> 01:28:20,480
Yeah.

2013
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:21,480
I agree.

2014
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:24,040
I knew what a what sexuality really was.

2015
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:25,040
Yeah, I agree.

2016
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:26,040
I don't.

2017
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:27,040
Yeah, I think it.

2018
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:28,040
Yeah.

2019
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:29,040
Interesting.

2020
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,040
Interesting stuff.

2021
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:31,040
Wow.

2022
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:32,560
So the last little bit in his manifesto, if anybody's interested.

2023
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,800
Yeah, of course, that's why they're listening this far.

2024
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:41,960
Quote, all I ever wanted was to love women and in turn to be loved by them back.

2025
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:46,400
Their behavior towards me has only earned my hatred and rightfully so.

2026
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,400
I am the true victim in all of this.

2027
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,320
I am the good guy.

2028
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:54,800
He struck me at first by condemning me to experience so much suffering.

2029
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,200
I didn't ask for this.

2030
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:57,440
I didn't want this.

2031
01:28:57,440 --> 01:28:59,120
I didn't start this war.

2032
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:03,600
I wasn't the one who struck first, but I will finish by striking back.

2033
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:06,680
I will punish everyone and it will be beautiful.

2034
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:11,440
Finally, at long last, I can show the world my true worth.

2035
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:12,440
End quote.

2036
01:29:12,440 --> 01:29:13,440
Damn.

2037
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:14,440
Right?

2038
01:29:14,440 --> 01:29:15,440
That's heavy.

2039
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:17,840
It's real heavy.

2040
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:24,080
He poured his entire soul into making this manifesto and I had not really touched on

2041
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:32,520
it in the first episode, but his writings were so, it was so repetitive.

2042
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:38,720
It was so repetitive that many times, I would be very interested to see if anybody's done

2043
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,680
the research to see how many times he repeated himself.

2044
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:48,400
And it just shows the, I feel like mania at some points.

2045
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:56,640
I feel like he's also struggling to understand it himself and he thinks that he says it aloud

2046
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,960
as many times as he possibly can.

2047
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,320
Then it'll just click for him.

2048
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:05,520
It's very interesting and it's definitely high school level too.

2049
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,560
You can tell in the writing.

2050
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:13,240
He portrayed himself as such a, you know, this intelligent, you watch videos of this

2051
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:17,560
guy and to me there's no, he's like an anime villain.

2052
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:19,200
That's the best way I can describe it.

2053
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:20,480
He looks like an anime villain.

2054
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:26,280
He's like, once I get my revenge on you, kind of speech pattern.

2055
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:31,400
Well, he does the whole sex with a girl, that kind of thing.

2056
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:32,400
Sex.

2057
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:33,400
Yeah.

2058
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,000
Like the anime kind of portray people when people portray it in real life.

2059
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:37,000
Right.

2060
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,680
And it's very interesting if his nose started bleeding.

2061
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:49,920
I was gonna say, I do think a lot of it is lack of a social foundation or lack of social

2062
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:52,800
cues, social understanding.

2063
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:54,400
And I think that's where a lot of it comes from.

2064
01:30:54,400 --> 01:31:01,000
He takes everything so personally because he doesn't get that people have their own

2065
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,040
little clicks or understanding of each other or whatever.

2066
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:07,480
If they're laughing next to him, he automatically takes it personally and thinks it's about

2067
01:31:07,480 --> 01:31:11,120
him when one of them might have just farted or something and that's why they're laughing.

2068
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:12,120
Right.

2069
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:13,120
Or whatever.

2070
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,800
It could be something completely innocent and the fact that he immediately takes offense

2071
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,320
to it, like it has to do with him.

2072
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,000
And I was saying all episode, like he's so narcissistic.

2073
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:26,640
It's not all about you, blah, blah, but in his mind, it probably was all about him because

2074
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:30,080
he didn't get the social construct of like other people's relationships.

2075
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:31,080
Yeah.

2076
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:35,240
He didn't have that with anybody else and he didn't understand it with other people,

2077
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:40,520
especially relationships, like boy and girl or whoever, couple relationships.

2078
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:44,920
And that's probably what made him so angry is that he didn't understand how to do that

2079
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:45,920
for himself.

2080
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,160
And we can talk shit like we said all day.

2081
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,520
We can talk shit about, well, why don't you just go fuck and do it?

2082
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:51,520
He didn't know how.

2083
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:52,520
He didn't know.

2084
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:53,520
He was never taught.

2085
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:58,320
He never felt like it was something that, I don't know, I also think about Peter too

2086
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:04,000
because Peter did go on ABC or Dateline or whatever it was and talk about Elliot and

2087
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,720
that he had always just said he was just a different child.

2088
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:07,960
He was just different.

2089
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:15,720
And it's like the way that Peter speaks about Elliot is almost like, yeah, he's different,

2090
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:16,880
but there's nothing wrong with him.

2091
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:20,760
But it wasn't like in a way that's a father being supportive of a son.

2092
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:25,360
It's like we have the perfect family and he was perfect.

2093
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:26,360
And it's that mentality.

2094
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,160
Almost like the same as Nendas.

2095
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:29,160
Yeah, exactly.

2096
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:33,680
And he completely ignores that there might be something going on and that needs a little

2097
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:34,680
bit more attention.

2098
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:35,680
Exactly.

2099
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:39,720
And it's like, no, I mean, well, he has everything laid at his feet and it just doesn't make

2100
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:41,040
any sense to me that.

2101
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:42,040
Yeah.

2102
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:43,280
Why would there be something wrong?

2103
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,040
I've done everything for him.

2104
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:46,960
He's never wanted for anything.

2105
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:51,680
But that's a mindset and that's another reason why we're doing this podcast is to educate

2106
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:56,840
people on, yeah, you could have everything that you need physically, but sometimes people

2107
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:00,680
will need a little bit of extra help when it comes to their mental health.

2108
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,760
And I don't know if when he stopped taking the medication, he just stopped taking it

2109
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:07,280
when he was in Santa Barbara and he was telling his parents that he was taking the medication.

2110
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:08,440
The one that Dr. Sophie prescribed?

2111
01:33:08,440 --> 01:33:09,440
Yeah.

2112
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:11,800
I was under the understanding that he never took it at all.

2113
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:12,800
Oh, I don't know.

2114
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:13,800
I think he, I don't know.

2115
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:14,800
I don't remember.

2116
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:15,800
I think he, I don't know.

2117
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:16,800
What I thought is that he never even took it.

2118
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:21,760
I thought he was doing it for a little bit and then he just decided to stop.

2119
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:22,760
I don't know.

2120
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:23,760
Either way.

2121
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:29,160
If their parents knew that their child should be prescribed this, especially from somebody

2122
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:36,440
like Dr. Sophie, somebody who's famous, a world famous Beverly Hills psychiatrist and

2123
01:33:36,440 --> 01:33:42,280
helps many people and he would think they would take his advice.

2124
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:44,480
Oh, it's really unfortunate.

2125
01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:45,480
It is.

2126
01:33:45,480 --> 01:33:46,480
It's a long story.

2127
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:47,480
Thank you guys so much for listening.

2128
01:33:47,480 --> 01:33:48,800
I know it's kind of harsh to listen to that.

2129
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:52,680
And again, we did talk about throughout the whole episode that he sounds so narcissistic

2130
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,320
and we're kind of putting that out there.

2131
01:33:55,320 --> 01:34:02,240
But I do feel like a lot of this narcissism didn't come from, I don't know where, I don't

2132
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:03,240
know.

2133
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:09,680
I think it's just, he was telling himself things to make himself feel better about all

2134
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:13,600
of this disconnect he was having with humans.

2135
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:14,600
And why?

2136
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:15,600
Why must that be a thing?

2137
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,080
Well, it must be a thing because I'm a God.

2138
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:19,080
Because that would make no sense.

2139
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:20,800
Because I'm the only person that feels like this.

2140
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,560
And I haven't met a single other person that feels like this.

2141
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:24,000
I must be a God.

2142
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:28,600
Or people are specifically, how can they, I'm going to tell myself that I'm beautiful

2143
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:32,600
because if I tell myself that I'm beautiful, maybe I'll feel that way about myself.

2144
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,040
And he was just way more vocal about it.

2145
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:36,280
And I don't know if it was necessarily narcissism.

2146
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:40,480
I think that it was just a coping mechanism in a way.

2147
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:41,480
Absolutely.

2148
01:34:41,480 --> 01:34:45,720
And just to pepper in something else as well, I know it's super easy to kind of do what

2149
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:50,120
I was guilty of doing, especially in the beginning of this part two, kind of making

2150
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:53,240
some like off-putting comments like, ah, like he's, you know, acted like this way.

2151
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:54,240
Oh, okay.

2152
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:55,240
Blah, blah, you know, whatever.

2153
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:56,840
And that's just my reaction to the story.

2154
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:57,840
Is he going to make light?

2155
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:58,840
Exactly.

2156
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:00,160
Make light.

2157
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:03,320
What's not so easy is having conversations like we're having right now where we really

2158
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,040
kind of talk about empathy and things like that.

2159
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:10,320
And I actually wanted to just pepper in a quote from Maya Angelou.

2160
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:14,160
She says, do what you can until you know better than do better.

2161
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:15,160
Yeah.

2162
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:16,160
And I really like that.

2163
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:19,280
So that's what I, like I said earlier, we're just really wanting to educate what it means

2164
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:23,640
to be different, like his dad said, to be, have a different mindset.

2165
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:27,920
And you know, a lot of people in this story, not that they're at fault, but even like that

2166
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:32,400
friend that kind of poked fun at Elliot for being a virgin, like, let's try not to do

2167
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:36,120
that because you never know what someone's going through internally, like what demons

2168
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,480
are battling with their inner monologue or their inner self.

2169
01:35:39,480 --> 01:35:40,480
Yeah.

2170
01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:41,880
And it's really unfortunate, but.

2171
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:45,960
Yeah, it was definitely interesting to read like his story in general.

2172
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:50,800
And if anybody wants to go out there and read it, you definitely can.

2173
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:55,360
But I think one of the only people that Elliot really, really cared for was his friend James.

2174
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:59,880
And it's because they did talk about, you know, not just video games, stuff like that,

2175
01:35:59,880 --> 01:36:04,700
that they were always playing video games together, but that James and him had lengthy

2176
01:36:04,700 --> 01:36:11,040
conversations about sex and being with girls or not being with girls and what that meant

2177
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:12,040
for them.

2178
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:15,080
And I feel like James was probably one of the only people that Elliot felt really connected

2179
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:16,080
to.

2180
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:19,120
So it was kind of really sad to hear that they kind of had a falling out in the last

2181
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,720
year that they were friends.

2182
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:24,360
But yeah, I hope he's doing well.

2183
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:25,360
Damn.

2184
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:29,120
Sound like Elliot was a really good friend to him or he was a really good friend to

2185
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:30,120
Elliot.

2186
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:33,360
Well, thanks for bringing that story.

2187
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:34,860
That is wild.

2188
01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:36,360
And that was a true two-parter.

2189
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:38,000
That was a true two-parter.

2190
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,000
It wasn't like 30 minutes and then 30 minutes.

2191
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:41,000
Yeah, true two-parter.

2192
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,560
Thank you guys for sticking with us.

2193
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:46,280
And we hope that you learned a lot during these last two episodes.

2194
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:48,360
Thanks for waiting a week with me.

2195
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:49,360
Midriff was.

2196
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:50,760
We did learn what a midriff is.

2197
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:51,760
Oh my gosh.

2198
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,760
It sounds like a riff, like a riff off.

2199
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:54,760
Yeah, a midriff.

2200
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:55,760
Like a midriff.

2201
01:36:55,760 --> 01:37:00,960
Well, we will see you guys, I guess, next week with another mental breakdown.

2202
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:05,760
Now I think since you did a two-parter, now it'll be not one of us doing two things each

2203
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:06,760
week.

2204
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:09,960
It'll be like one of us doing a mental breakdown or the other one doing a case in the same week

2205
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:11,960
rather than us doing both.

2206
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:16,160
Although I do have the next mental breakdown though, so it is almost like, you know what

2207
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:17,160
I mean?

2208
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:18,160
Yeah, but it's for next week.

2209
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:19,160
But for next week.

2210
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:20,160
Yeah, exactly.

2211
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:21,680
That I have my next case next Thursday.

2212
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,400
I have a doozy of a case.

2213
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:29,800
If you want to hear a very traumatic story about a very traumatic childhood, I don't

2214
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:30,800
know if you want to hear that.

2215
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:31,800
I don't know if I want to.

2216
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:33,680
But that's what my case entails next week.

2217
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:36,560
So just to give everyone a little hinty hint.

2218
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:41,200
Get your tickets for the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival that is coming up literally

2219
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:44,360
before we know it in Austin, Texas in August.

2220
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:49,680
If you're from overseas from us, please email us or message us on Instagram.

2221
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:51,520
I still want to pen pal y'all.

2222
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,200
We still haven't heard from South Dakota, right?

2223
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:57,680
Yeah, I actually looked and we have at least one download from Sioux Falls.

2224
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:02,800
So I'm not sure if that was one of our listeners that commented and said that they're from

2225
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:07,120
South Dakota because that person has messaged us in the past and we've talked to her.

2226
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:09,840
So I don't know if it was her or if it was someone new.

2227
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,400
New from Sioux Falls.

2228
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:15,120
But thank you guys for downloading.

2229
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:18,440
And yeah, just looking at the, dude, the map is wild and out.

2230
01:38:18,440 --> 01:38:23,800
We are Soups Pop in, of course, America, but the UK loves us, dude.

2231
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:24,800
I'm excited.

2232
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,280
We haven't heard from anybody from the UK.

2233
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:28,280
We haven't.

2234
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:29,280
If you're from the UK, there's just...

2235
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:30,280
Well, other than...

2236
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:31,280
Lina, yeah.

2237
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:34,400
Oh, yes, of course.

2238
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,800
If you're from the UK or if you're from Australia.

2239
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:37,800
Australia.

2240
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:39,480
Or New Zealand.

2241
01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:40,480
That would be awesome.

2242
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:41,480
I want New Zealand.

2243
01:38:41,480 --> 01:38:42,720
I want New Zealand so bad.

2244
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:43,720
All right.

2245
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:45,160
I think that's all we got.

2246
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:47,280
You guys are probably tired of hearing our voices.

2247
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:48,680
I'm tired of hearing my own.

2248
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:54,720
Or not because if you're a Soups Loyal List, then this is like your 90th episode of listening

2249
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:55,720
to us.

2250
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:56,720
It's true.

2251
01:38:56,720 --> 01:39:03,880
And if this is getting to you after it's already airing and you're just catching up,

2252
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:04,880
just click the next one.

2253
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:05,880
There you go.

2254
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:06,880
Yeah.

2255
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:07,880
Wait, the next one.

2256
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:08,880
Yeah.

2257
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,840
I'm like, if you're already listening...

2258
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:13,320
If this is from the past.

2259
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:14,320
Oh.

2260
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:15,680
I mean, this is from the past to the future.

2261
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:17,000
Did this age well?

2262
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,720
If you're from the future, let us know.

2263
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:21,880
If you're from the future, click on the next one.

2264
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:22,880
It's about time.

2265
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:23,880
That's what I meant.

2266
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:24,880
All right.

2267
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:25,880
We love you guys.

2268
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:26,880
All right.

2269
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:27,880
Love you.

2270
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:28,880
Bye.

2271
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:29,880
Bye.

2272
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:35,040
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