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Hello! Hello! Welcome back to another episode of Dying and Ghosting a Killer. I'm Ka'well. And I'm Kenna.

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How are you? I am good. I just made a bunch of food. You did. I've been cooking for the last couple of hours.

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We're having a potluck tomorrow at work and I signed myself up for our famous potato salad and my new pasta salad recipe.

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The last time you made it was really bomb. So bomb. I'm really excited about it. It's like a play on a grinder sandwich.

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It has pepperoncini, it's like an Italian mayo kind of base, but it also has black olives and salami and pepperoni.

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I ate around it last time, but I did have a bite of cheese when I was drunk. It also has cheese. It was awful.

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It messed me up. I tried to stay vegan as much as possible. I know mayo counts as not vegan, but still.

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I didn't eat any of that. No salami, no pepperoni, no meaty meats. I try not to. I'll have a steak every once in a while.

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I'm not wearing my headset, so I can't hear anything that's going on right now. My hair is wet. It sounded pretty bad out here too.

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dakpod for 15% off of those tickets. And now I'll shut up. Thanks for all of that. You did a lot of it on your own. Thanks.

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Okay, are we ready? I think I know who you're doing. Really? I'm just gonna put my vote out there in my head right now.

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Okay. Once you say it, I will tell you if I was right or if I was wrong. I just realized that that probably was really loud.

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It was a little loud. Sorry. It's all right. That was me picking up my phone. Today, we're gonna be talking about Elliot Rosser!

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I knew it! I knew it! Oh my gosh. We're gonna talk about Elliot Roger. I know that you've been waiting for this one.

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I have. And you said a second ago off mic, you were like, he isolated himself a lot. You didn't even say he. You said, this person isolated themselves a lot.

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And I was like, is she doing fucking Elliot Roger? Well, yeah, I was talking about my child and about how he just decided to go play Legos in his room with all the lights off.

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Like, not a movie or something. Right? It's silent in here. Yeah, and I was just thinking, like, don't, you know, this poor child was isolated.

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Well, I've only heard this episode or this guy once and it was actually a lady that did an episode on him. Okay.

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So I've only heard their take. I haven't even done any research on my own, so I'm really excited to hear your take on it as well.

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I'm really excited to do this one. In fact, it's so much content. We are gonna do a two-parter. No! It's too much. There's too much stuff.

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We have not done a two-parter in a hot minute. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So either, I guess it will be Thursday next week, catch part two.

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Dang, you're gonna have to wait a whole week and I'm gonna have to wait a whole week too because we're not recording this back to back. It's not.

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It's like we usually do for part twos.

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Content morning. This episode depicts scenes of someone struggling with connecting with others. And if this episode is not for you, we encourage you to check out another one of our episodes.

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Remember that your mental health comes first and we love you. Love you. Bye.

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So again, just a very broad content warning. It's just essentially, of course, somebody is upbringing and there's struggles with that upbringing.

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So Elliot Oliver Robertson-Roger.

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Whoa! Robert Robertson?

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Robert Robertson. Really?

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Robert Robertson-Roger.

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Oh, so there's no Robert?

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No.

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Oh.

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No, I'm sorry I misspoke.

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Elliot Oliver Robertson-Roger.

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Damn.

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He was born in London, England on July 24th, 1991. The Rogers had a long line of financial successes and his grandfather was a well-known photographer.

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His name was George Roger and he had taken some of the most famous photographs of World War II at the time.

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His father is a famous director and filmmaker. His name is Peter Roger and his mother was Malaysian-born Lee Chin.

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Peter would later become very successful in films. He actually went on to win several awards and accolades throughout his career.

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He was most notably, like, on his little IMDb page so that he worked on the Hunger Games.

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Oh, wow.

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So he, yeah, he was a, or is rather, he is still alive.

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Lee Chin, of course, is Elliot's mother, who his father met while she was working as a nurse on the set of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

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Oh, wow.

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So she was like a medical person and that's how she met Pete.

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So they're both like into film.

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Cool.

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Peter was 26 when Elliot was born, although his mother was 30, just a few years older.

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And although the couple made efforts to prevent pregnancy, Elliot would be conceived. So they did not want children.

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Well, I bet they were like, like way later on.

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Well, they have very busy lives, you know, they work on film sets and stuff.

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Once Elliot was born, the family attempted to travel for work, but Lee Chin had said that Elliot cried a lot as a baby and seemed to hate to travel.

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I mean, he's a fucking baby.

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So who wants to? And this is when he was a little infant.

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Babies cry.

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Babies cry.

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He might have been like motion sick too and they don't even know because they can't tell them.

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They're just like jet setting everywhere.

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So the family would eventually move to England and live in the countryside.

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Peter went back to work and he began to travel a lot while Lee Chin stayed at home with Elliot and her mother who had helped.

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She had moved in to help raise Elliot.

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By all accounts, Elliot loved this time that he spent with his mother and his grandmother.

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And Elliot would actually recollect by his third birthday or on his third birthday rather at the party.

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There was another parent that cut the cake and handed it to their child first and he threw this like crazy elaborate tantrum.

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Elliot.

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I mean, that's his fucking birthday party.

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I'd probably be pissed too.

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Apparently it was like a really big blowout though.

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So much to the point to where the family never allowed him to forget it.

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Essentially like they would bring it up.

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Well, that fucking, that's an asshole of a parent that did that.

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I'm sorry.

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Like I wouldn't do that.

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And I'd be like, why are you doing that?

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It's my son's party.

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Have you ever heard about like kids being so entitled that like when it's not their birthday,

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their parent will still bring them like a present so that they don't feel left out?

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Oh, that's awful.

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I can't fucking stand that.

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Anyways, it seems like this is like a precursor for Elliot's sense of entitlement.

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And how when he didn't get what he wanted, he would throw a tantrum essentially.

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Cute.

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Four shadowing.

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But again, it's understandable.

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He's three.

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So Elliot started preschool and this is at an all boys private school.

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He did make a few friends here, but was seemingly a melon call, cally type child as described

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by his teachers.

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Like he's three and he just is so reserved and into himself.

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It just didn't seem normal.

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It's almost like he had a blase attitude towards a bad boy.

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There's a la zae fair or blase.

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I think they're both the same.

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I don't know.

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Email me.

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Correct me.

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It just seems that he was like a brat from the very beginning.

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He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth type shit.

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Well, it kind of seems like his parents are also like not allowing it, but instead of directing

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him on like how to maintain like a healthy relationship with his feelings, I feel like

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they're just giving him shit for it.

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They're just like, be an adult.

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Just be an adult.

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You're three.

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Come on.

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Be a fucking adult.

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Get a job.

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God, lazy fuck.

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Elliot remembers enjoying the holidays.

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He liked being surrounded by family.

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He liked cold weather and he loved the snow.

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He remembers his parents throwing big elaborate holiday parties and quote, my father helped

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me build a snowman once and quote, do you want to build a snowman?

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I know you're in there.

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Oh, God, I'm going to cry.

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My parents helped me build a snowman once because it only snowed once here.

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That was like two years ago.

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It is a snow here, by the way.

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At all ever.

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It just sounds like he's really neglected at this point, especially by his father who

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probably travels a lot.

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Even with all of Peter's traveling, Elliot does have very fond memories of his father

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teaching him how to fly kites when he was little.

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And the two would share in flying kites together.

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A little Benjamin Stanklin action.

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Yeah, some Benjamin Stanklin action.

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Had to pop that in there.

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Peppered it.

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Peppered it.

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By the following year, while the family was vacationing, Elliot would receive news that

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his grandfather, George, had passed.

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And this was on Elliot's fourth birthday.

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Here we go.

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Now he's associating birthdays with loss and grief and all this shit.

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The first time was the cake and now it's his birthday.

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Just getting worse.

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It's every birthday.

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God, that sucks, honestly.

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That's really sad.

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I do want to say, Pepper this and now, I got most of this information from his own manifesto.

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And although it wasn't 1400 pages long, it was 141.

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They actually made it into a book and it's a lot.

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Yeah, like you can read a book essentially of his manifesto.

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Or maybe it's just online, I don't know.

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And I'm not trying to like discredit him just yet.

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Well, I mean, we'll get to it.

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But either way, it was very much, I don't want to give anything away yet, but it was

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a very high school essay.

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Yes, and a lot of what we're going to learn about him is his own account.

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So it's not false, but it might be false because he made it up, but it's not like someone else

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already hit it from like a bystander or whatever.

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So the reason that I have very specific dates, not dates, but birthdays is because that's

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the way he's outlined it in his own manifesto.

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So it's like age three.

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When he talks about age three.

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Age four.

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Yeah, no, he's fucking narcissistic.

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Cuckoo.

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He's narcissistic.

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Definitely narcissistic.

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Elliot does remember that when his grandfather passed on his birthday.

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It's not funny, I'm sorry.

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I mean, how do you not take that personally though?

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Yeah, honestly, like especially as a four year old.

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You're like, hey bud, I know that you're really trying to enjoy your cake, but like popsicle

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passed away.

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Poor popsicle.

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Damn popsicle.

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God sucks, man.

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Elliot does remember that this was the first and only time that he had ever seen his father

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cry.

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Okay, don't say that to me.

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And that it profoundly affected him, of course.

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Can relate.

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Just saying.

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Can fucking relate.

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Within the year, Peter and Lee Shin would welcome their second baby named Georgia.

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Georgia.

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Georgia.

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No, it's Georgia.

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Georgia?

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Georgia.

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Georgia.

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Hiya, Georgia.

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Thank you for getting that.

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Her name is Georgia, my bad.

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It's like a Georgia.

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The way she's been.

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Georgia.

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I just got it.

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My bad, my bad.

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Georgia.

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Georgia.

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Georgia.

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Hiya, Georgia.

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Anyway, Georgia.

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Okay.

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And of course this is an homage to the late grandfather, which is George.

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I didn't mean to be in front of it.

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I was just thinking like the state.

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No, I said it.

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It is like the state, I think, but still.

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By the time that Elliot was five, Peter's career was taking off and he decided it would

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be best to move the entire family to Los Angeles.

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Whoa.

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You all right?

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First Georgie, now Los Angeles, California.

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Okay, that's what I was going to say.

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I didn't think he was from England.

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No, he was born there.

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Well, yes, but I, does he have an accent?

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No.

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I don't think so.

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Well, when you listen to videos of him, he kind of, he has a very specific pattern of

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speech.

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Well, it's probably a mixed accent from there.

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I think it's Valley Girl.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Also, speaking of loss, not speaking of, speaking of Europe and London, that fucking one Jeopardy

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contestant that went, he grew up in New York, went to college for like two semesters in London

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and then comes back with an accent.

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What?

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I know somebody like that.

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God, that's, I'm not from here.

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I'm British.

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You sound like you're from London.

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That's like so, so much of a fucking farce is ridiculous.

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Pooh-Pooh heads, both of you, Pooh-Pooh heads.

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Yeah.

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Terrible people.

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So Elliot, of course, wasn't crazy about this.

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He had already established some friendships, little, you know, little friendships, little

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family members.

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He said he would mostly miss his grandmother because he loved his grandmother, his amma.

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Oh, and I bet he felt bad leaving her there alone.

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Well, I don't know if she was alone.

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I think he had probably aunts and uncles and stuff.

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Well, yeah, but like her husband passed away, you know.

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That's what I mean by alone.

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Yeah.

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Did her husband pass away?

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Oh yeah.

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Did George her husband?

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Georgie.

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I don't know.

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Okay, well either way.

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No, that would have been Peter's, well yeah, I guess so because Leechin was from Malaysia,

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so I'm assuming that.

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His paternal grandparents.

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Yes.

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So, Elliot would say that he specifically asked if the new home would come with a swimming

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pool because they were going to Los Angeles and I guess that was in his head.

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And when he didn't, he threw a fit or what?

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He was relieved when his father told him that yes, yes, it did come with a pool.

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Lord knows what would have happened.

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Yeah, right.

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I want a poo.

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Sorry.

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I want a poo.

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Give me a poo.

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He's three.

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You think he really gives a shot?

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Yeah, he's four.

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Remember his grandfather died on his third birthday?

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I don't think he really...

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I want a poo.

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No, sorry, I can just hear it.

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I don't think he would really say that at four.

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I think this is him writing his manifesto at 22 and then...

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Making all the excuses as to why he did what he did.

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Yes, exactly.

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My dad didn't give me a poo when I was four.

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I want a pony.

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I'm a dickhead for the rest of my life.

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But daddy, I want the golden egg.

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I want it, I want it now.

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That's me.

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I'm Verusasol, I'm sure.

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That's me as a person.

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And that's why I'm about to do what I'm going to do.

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I want the world.

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I want the whole world.

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Perfect.

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We're going off on a tangent.

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I'm sorry, people like us.

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Actually, we did get a nice review about someone that says that they like listening to us because

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we get right to the point and now we're like...

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Not doing that.

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That's so true.

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They did specifically say that, sorry.

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Hi, thank you for the nice review though.

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Back to the story.

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So again, the house came with a poo.

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You don't say.

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In retrospect, he would come to miss his life in England.

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Elliot would arrive in the new house and he would immediately select the bedroom that he wanted

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only to find out that his mother had already assigned this room to his baby sister.

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So he was not happy about that.

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In fact, he would throw a tantrum about it.

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Why does she need the new room?

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She's small.

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I'm four.

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Either way, Elliot was excited to start his new life in this big house the family had purchased

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and excited to attend school that year since he had never been to an American school.

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Elliot quickly realized that American schooling is very different.

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It's gonna be a way that he could not all expect.

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He grew up on the countryside.

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I don't even think he was going to school.

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I think he was just like, kids just get excited about going to school in general.

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Yeah, that's true.

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They should get excited about going to school and not be terrified.

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I like school.

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Yeah, right.

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Fuck that.

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He said that his teacher was uptight, often giving Elliot extra work in order to catch up

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to the American curriculum, which I don't think was true either.

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I think he just thought he was being pinpointed.

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Yeah, because he's narcissistic, even at a young age.

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The children were also dismissive of the small, statured young man, especially because he

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was foreign and he sounded funny.

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You sound like you're from London.

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Paul Rudd from Forgetting Sarah Marshall.

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Have you seen my, what is it?

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My shoe.

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It's like this one.

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It's all evil vision.

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It's like this one's mate, really?

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My legs are so sweaty right now.

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Why?

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It's so hot in here.

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Sweaty thighs.

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Where was I?

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He was simply just different from everyone else.

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So after a few weeks, Elliot's parents decided to remove Elliot from the school since they

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too felt like Elliot was being treated differently than the other children.

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Paving the way.

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Maybe because he's just a little different.

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Maybe because he is from England.

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Maybe because they're just not used to that.

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Maybe people do talk to him more or want to know more or whatever.

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Want to be involved more.

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Right?

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Would you rather no one fucking talk to you because you're pissed off about that later?

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So what do you fucking want?

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Exactly.

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I'm sorry.

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I remember when I listened to this episode, when Lady did it, I was so fucking irritated

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the whole time I was listening to it because this guy just strikes a nerve with it.

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Yeah, every time.

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Elliot was then enrolled in a school literally called a farm school because it was a school

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on a farm.

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Okay.

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Did they teach you how to be a farmer?

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Kind of.

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So again, it was attached to a farm.

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He was encouraged to make friends and he was handled very gently and kindly by the teachers.

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They were very nice teachers.

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But they used to go on little field trips to the farm.

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So they would.

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They would go out there.

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It wasn't like an agricultural school because this is also, he's four or five.

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Yeah.

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He's still a baby.

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It's not like they have farm hands for children.

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It reminds me of the TV show where they would send their troubled teens to work on the farm

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with these families to teach them how to.

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Well, Dr. Philly used to do that.

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I don't know if that's the same thing.

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Yeah, I think it was.

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Yeah.

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It was called Turn Around Ranch.

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Wasn't it?

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Turn About Ranch?

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Yes.

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So Elliot was finally feeling like he was being nurtured and he kind of began to come

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on official essentially.

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Elliot would soon meet a girl by the name of Maddie.

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The two would quickly become friends.

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I was like, whoa.

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I think I specifically wrote it like that.

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The two would quickly become friends and Elliot was relieved when he found out that Maddie

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was also from an affluent family as her father was a famous musician back home in England

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as well.

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Oh, so now he has something in common with her.

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Exactly.

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Cool.

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So a familiar set of circumstances for Elliot because of course he had just moved from England

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and also had a famous dad.

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The two spent a lot of time together.

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They would be watching movies, playing outside and such, swimming in the pool.

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Elliot would distinctly remember that at least on one occasion the two bathed together at

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four or five.

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Like they took it upon themselves or the parents bathed?

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The parents just didn't care or maybe it was after the pool, getting the tub, rinse

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off, who cares.

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Okay.

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I mean, that's not that weird.

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I think it's weird.

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For five?

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Yeah, five is definitely a little old.

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I would say he might be remembering that because it was told to him when he was older, not

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necessarily the memory itself.

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Sure.

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But either way, no, I think it's, I mean, they're not siblings so it's definitely weird.

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They're not.

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It's inappropriate.

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If they were like one and a half, two, maybe.

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For sure.

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I think my son started showering at five on his own.

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Either way, this would seemingly be Elliot's first crush or at least the idea of what he

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thought a crush might be.

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Okay.

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Ew, his parents are probably like, oh look how cute they are.

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They're going to get married one day and then showered them together like that's fucking

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creepy.

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Ew.

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You know when they say that about kids though.

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The two would quickly get married.

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At age six, Elliot remembers having a sense of meekness for the first time.

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He wasn't like the other boys who would roughhouse with each other and had an overall kind of

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rambunctious play style.

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He wasn't like that.

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He was more reserved and he felt more inward and wouldn't really find a place between

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playing with boys, like playing with the boys or sitting with the girls.

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So he just kind of felt stuck in the middle.

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Yeah.

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I was going to say with John Mulaney, he's like, I'm just going to sit here and feed

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my birds.

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He was also considered short for his age as well.

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By the first grade, Elliot switched schools again and attended, I think it's Sierra, Sierra

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Ana, Sierra Nia, Sierra Nia Avenue Elementary.

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Anybody from California had a say.

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Yeah.

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I think Sierra Nia, Georgia.

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Sure.

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Maddie and Elliot kept in contact as did their parents.

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Elliot would be invited over along with his parents.

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Oftentimes, Maddie would have girlfriends as well over just, you know, well, because

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she was a little girl.

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Yeah.

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Elliot remembers being attracted to playing with Maddie and her friends saying, quote,

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in the present day, these girls would treat me like the scum of the earth.

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But at the time, we were equals.

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And quote.

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Cry me a fucking river.

487
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Yeah.

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I think one of the biggest things that pissed me off about it, I'm not going to give anything

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away.

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But like, shut the fuck up.

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Shut the fuck up.

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Shut the fuck up.

493
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,480
After just a few short weeks into the first grade, the family would move yet again, although

494
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,680
in the same district.

495
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,680
So he hoped one day that maybe in middle or high school, he might see some of the friends

496
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,960
that he did make friends with.

497
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,040
But again, this is after a few short weeks.

498
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,280
So they've already moved from England.

499
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,920
Well, they lived somewhere, then they moved to the countryside.

500
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,160
Then they moved to LA.

501
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,160
Now they're moving again.

502
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,280
And he is six.

503
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,640
That's a lot of movement, especially having to travel to when he was little, when they

504
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,840
were doing the work and stuff.

505
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:40,840
It's true.

506
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,960
And they would also in this time be taking vacations as well, which I mentioned in a

507
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:44,960
little bit.

508
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:45,960
Yeah.

509
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:51,240
So far, all of his birthdays have only been restaurants, fancy restaurants, or trips.

510
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,240
Wow.

511
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,240
Never like a kid's birthday party.

512
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,240
Well, it's got to be frustrating to kind of being like drug around everywhere, like not

513
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,800
really being able to participate in things because you're so young.

514
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,240
And also not really having a sense of belonging because you don't really stay somewhere long

515
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,960
enough to make really good friends.

516
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:06,960
Exactly.

517
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,960
That's got to be hard.

518
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:08,960
I can't relate to that.

519
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,640
I mean, we've been in the same house our whole lives.

520
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:16,320
So again, he was forced to pack up and leave while having to meet a whole new set of kiddos

521
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,320
at his new school.

522
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,520
That's got to be hard.

523
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,040
So now he would be attending its Topanga Elementary.

524
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,720
I was like, how do you say, I'm dumb.

525
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,000
Boy meets world, Topanga.

526
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,320
Elliot was nervous as the school year had already begun and friendships were already likely

527
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,240
to be developed at this point between the kids.

528
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,880
God, the fact that he has that worry at such a young age, like, oh, kids are already going

529
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:36,880
to be friends with each other.

530
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:37,880
They're not going to want to be friends with me.

531
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,280
They're all going to know each other.

532
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,280
Yeah.

533
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,280
And I don't know anybody.

534
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,280
That's scary.

535
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,280
It is.

536
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,680
Nonetheless, a student that he sat with on his first day was very welcoming and very

537
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,480
kind to Elliot.

538
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,840
This would also become a good friend of his and his name was Philip.

539
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,360
He was a nice guy.

540
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:55,360
Good.

541
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:56,360
Nice guy, too.

542
00:24:56,360 --> 00:25:00,200
I don't know if that was his name was Philip or he met Philip that same day, my bad.

543
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,200
Sorry, Elliot.

544
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,200
Sorry, not sorry, Elliot.

545
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,920
Yeah, I have to fuck.

546
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,040
He also quickly became friends with another boy named James.

547
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,840
And James would be actually Elliot's best friend for the next 14 years.

548
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:13,840
Oh, wow.

549
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:14,840
So, yeah.

550
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,200
The boys would spend a lot of time together outside of school as well.

551
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,600
James's mother would come over to the house often and spend time with Lee Chen and they

552
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,120
would chat about stay-at-home mom things, whatever stay-at-home mom things talk about.

553
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:31,520
On this time, Elliot's parents also had hired a nanny as his father's career was taking

554
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,800
off and Elliot kind of rarely saw his father around this time.

555
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,960
So just to help out Lee Chen, they hired a nanny.

556
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,960
Does the nanny the nanny?

557
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,960
Does the nanny the nanny.

558
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,760
Gosh, that would be a good deep dive.

559
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:43,760
Yeah, it would.

560
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:44,760
Casey Evany.

561
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,000
I want to do Judy Arias, too.

562
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,560
Anyways, even Elliot's grandmother had actually flown in on occasion from England to help

563
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,040
out with Elliot and give his mother comfort.

564
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,840
So this was his amma.

565
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,040
I think it's what he called her, amma, like grandma.

566
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,040
Yeah.

567
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:06,000
Elliot would witness his mother and his father fighting quite often around this time whenever

568
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,320
his father was home.

569
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,960
And his father would actually provide him with a video game system for Christmas.

570
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,480
This often distracted Elliot when he felt pushed out by his parents fighting.

571
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,000
So he started playing video games at a young age.

572
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,000
He got an itinerary of 64.

573
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,000
Oh, Elliot.

574
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,040
Elliot felt like in retrospect his dad did this on purpose because they were fighting.

575
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,040
Yeah.

576
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,440
And so it was just kind of like he just threw himself in a video game.

577
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,000
Where did it happen that he takes everything so fucking personally?

578
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:39,080
Like, I don't see anything specifically happening that, I mean, even as young as three, he gets

579
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,080
mad as fuck about this kid taking a piece of cake.

580
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,480
When was this sense of entitlement introduced to him?

581
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,440
That he takes everything like it's, he's the only person in the fucking world?

582
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,440
I don't understand.

583
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:58,760
Okay, there is a Barbara Walters special with Peter Rogers after Elliot committed this crime.

584
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,680
And he reads that way.

585
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,680
The dad does.

586
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,240
The dad reads very entitled, very like, I don't know.

587
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,000
I don't know what's going on with my son.

588
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,000
I don't know what it is.

589
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,000
Yeah.

590
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,000
Except it's more like this.

591
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,000
He's like, I don't know.

592
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,120
I haven't lost my, you know, I was kind of Australian.

593
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:16,120
Do better.

594
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:17,120
Do better.

595
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,040
I'm still Australian, but do better.

596
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,040
Do better.

597
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,040
Do better.

598
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,040
Well, no, better.

599
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,040
You can say better.

600
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,240
If you're from England, it was sorry.

601
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,240
Are you from Manchester?

602
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,320
Well, I heard that people in England do American accents all the time too.

603
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,320
It's true.

604
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,320
In Australia.

605
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,320
Yeah.

606
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,320
It's funny.

607
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,840
If we do eggley or curler, then we can do Manchester.

608
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,120
Tauno looks for Kelia.

609
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:38,120
The Tauno Loner.

610
00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:39,120
We love you guys.

611
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:40,720
I want to go visit Sofucking God.

612
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,720
Me too.

613
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,440
I would love, love, love, love to go to Australia.

614
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,760
I want to go to New Zealand.

615
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,320
I need somebody online.

616
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,040
With noodles, as you'll see, those high noodles, noodles lived in Australia and she sent me

617
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,800
photos once of kangaroos hanging out in her front yard.

618
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,640
She's like, I need to go to work, but there's fucking kangaroos in my front yard.

619
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,640
It's like deer face.

620
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,640
And I can't go.

621
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:01,640
It's like a moose.

622
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,640
It's funny.

623
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,640
It's just dangerous.

624
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,680
I want to go to New Zealand specifically to try the wine that I like to drink, like,

625
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,760
from the source, like locally, because I only drink New Zealand Sauvignon Blancs.

626
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,760
Really?

627
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,880
Or like Australia or South African, but mostly New Zealand.

628
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,920
I would want to go to New Zealand to see where they filmed Lord of the Rings.

629
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,920
Yeah.

630
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:19,920
I would like to go to Marlboro.

631
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:20,920
Marlboro.

632
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,040
Marlboro, how do you say it in the New Zealand accent?

633
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,840
Someone from New Zealand sent me a voice memo of you saying Marlboro.

634
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:27,840
Yeah.

635
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,040
And if that someone is Jimmy and Clement, give me a call.

636
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,040
Give me a hand.

637
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,800
God, we're going on tangents on this one.

638
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:36,800
Sorry, y'all.

639
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,800
Okay.

640
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,040
The person that wrote the review was like, fucking A, dude.

641
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,040
Like as soon as I give them a compliment, they fuck it.

642
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:49,240
So again, it wasn't really totally clear if Peter bought the console because he was

643
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,120
trying to distract Elliot or just to give him something to do.

644
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,120
Who knows.

645
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,400
But of course, Elliot's never going to think like, oh, he bought that for me out of the

646
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,800
kindness of his heart because he wanted me to have something fun.

647
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:00,800
No.

648
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:01,800
He needed some reason to distract me or something.

649
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,280
Again, he wrote this when he was 22 and he already knew what he was going to do.

650
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,440
So he's already just scorned.

651
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,120
He hates everything.

652
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:18,040
So Elliot, however he learned the word at five or six, once asked Leechon if she and

653
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,920
his father would ever get a divorce to which she replied, never.

654
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,880
Because I guarantee you his dad was like, you want to get a fucking divorce?

655
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:26,880
You want to get a fucking divorce?

656
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:27,880
You want to get a divorce?

657
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:28,880
You want to get a divorce?

658
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:29,880
You want to get a divorce?

659
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,880
You want to get a divorce?

660
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:31,880
You want to get a divorce?

661
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:32,880
You want to get a divorce?

662
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,880
You want to get a divorce?

663
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:34,880
No, I'm just kidding.

664
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:35,880
I don't know.

665
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:36,880
I don't know if he said that.

666
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:37,880
Oh no.

667
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,880
No.

668
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:39,880
That's probably where he heard it from.

669
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:40,880
Or he may be told a kid at school.

670
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:41,880
I don't know.

671
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:42,880
That's stupid.

672
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,880
It's the dumbest thing.

673
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,880
It's the dumbest thing.

674
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,880
It's the dumbest thing.

675
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,880
It's so dumb.

676
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,040
I work with kiddos and they all ask great questions.

677
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,540
That's awesome.

678
00:29:51,540 --> 00:29:57,640
Elliot would attend summer camp that year and after his return, so again, just a reminder

679
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,800
because we did go off in a little bit of a tangent that Leechon said they would never

680
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,640
get divorced.

681
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,760
So Elliot went to summer camp and shortly after he returned they were celebrating Elliot's

682
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,600
7th birthday, so it's his birthday, right?

683
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,600
No, fucking way.

684
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:18,880
It would be a few days later that the family would have the conversation of them getting

685
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,080
a divorce essentially.

686
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,080
And what did he say?

687
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,240
Oh, my 7th birthday.

688
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,240
My parents got divorced.

689
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,240
My 7th birthday.

690
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,480
I guarantee you he acquitted it with his 7th birthday.

691
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,480
Of course he did.

692
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,480
And acquitted it.

693
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,480
It's not even the right word.

694
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,480
Equated.

695
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,480
Equated it with his 7th birthday and he made that a big fucking deal on his manifesto.

696
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,480
Yeah.

697
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,480
Well then they got divorced on my 7th birthday.

698
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,720
They broke the news to me.

699
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,720
They broke the news to me.

700
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,720
Even though it was three days later.

701
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,960
Even though it was two weeks later he probably was still what it said.

702
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,960
On my birthday.

703
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,760
He did say that the reason that he remembered it so well was it was the last birthday meal

704
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,280
that he remembers experiencing with both of his parents essentially.

705
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,280
Fuck ever dude.

706
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,280
No, sorry.

707
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,280
That's kind of fucked up.

708
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,280
Sorry.

709
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,280
That's kind of fucked up there.

710
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,280
I don't want that for anybody.

711
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,280
It was probably at Ruth's Chris.

712
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,800
Oh my god, I love Ruth's Chris.

713
00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:59,800
Me too.

714
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,800
I love their mushrooms.

715
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:01,800
Ew.

716
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,360
I don't like that at all.

717
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,680
I can honestly say I worked at Ruth's Chris.

718
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,080
I don't know if anybody else knows that.

719
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,080
But I did.

720
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,120
And it's still my favorite steak place to go to.

721
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,800
I want to go when you work somewhere like you don't want to eat there anymore after

722
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,800
you quit.

723
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:16,800
Yeah.

724
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,520
The lobster mac and cheese fucking mint.

725
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,520
Fucking mint.

726
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,520
Fucking amazing.

727
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,520
I want to go to Bliss.

728
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,000
Oh my god, Bliss was so good.

729
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Okay, let's keep those.

730
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,000
Let's keep those.

731
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,000
Those stottas are so good.

732
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,000
Okay.

733
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Bro, everything.

734
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,440
So of course Elliot felt completely betrayed and lied to specifically by his mother about

735
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,440
this.

736
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,440
Yeah, for sure.

737
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:38,400
Elliot and Georgia would move in with Lee Chin and would begin to see even less of their

738
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,920
father because he was traveling a lot for work.

739
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,280
Elliot would say that he would often cry when no one was around.

740
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,960
And he started feeling just depressed.

741
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,920
He would like to keep to himself in his room, play video games or sleep.

742
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,040
And then this is at seven.

743
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,080
That's major depression for a seven-year-old.

744
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,080
That's really sad.

745
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,080
It is.

746
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,080
I'm not trying to laugh.

747
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,520
I'm laughing at the fact that your seven-year-old a second ago was doing that.

748
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,520
You were like, let's stay in the room.

749
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,520
Yeah, exactly.

750
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,520
It's like, it's a little dark in here.

751
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,520
Can I turn on the light?

752
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,520
Oh gosh.

753
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,120
But no, that is like really hard emotions for someone that young to be experiencing.

754
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,160
And it's really sad too because like he already didn't see his dad a lot and now he's like

755
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,600
really not seeing his dad.

756
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,840
And honestly, like from what you're saying with the interview, it kind of sounds like

757
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,400
his dad is like his biggest role model if he's mimicking the way that his dad acts

758
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,480
as far as the ego goes.

759
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,480
For sure.

760
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,480
For sure.

761
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:36,480
But the houses were run differently with Lee Chen's being very fun and warm and nurturing,

762
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,560
just having a lot of fun with the kiddos.

763
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,200
Peter's household was somewhat distant and cold.

764
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,960
And when the children would stay with him, although he did hire a nanny that Elliot seemed

765
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,080
to have bonded with, her name was Christine.

766
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:54,800
But when they would stay with him, it just was very non-nurturing, the opposite of that.

767
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,240
He's probably busy as fuck.

768
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,240
Yeah.

769
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,760
Not that it's an excuse, but he seems busy as fuck.

770
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,760
Yeah.

771
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,760
I mean, not just given the nature of what his job is, but he's also providing for four

772
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:05,760
individuals.

773
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,160
He's probably paying out alimony too.

774
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,160
True.

775
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,760
Elliot's friend James would also move away by the second grade, so his best friend James.

776
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,480
And although James and Elliot would remain friends, it's yet another example about how

777
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,560
nothing is permanent in Elliot's life at all.

778
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:28,360
Eventually Elliot's father would downgrade to a smaller place after some financial issues,

779
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,560
which was probably also paying for the divorce, also with the alimony he probably just chose

780
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,640
to downsize.

781
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,640
And he would actually rent out a room to a friend who was also struggling financially,

782
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,140
the dad did.

783
00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:43,880
So just a few short months after the announcement of his parents to force, Elliot was introduced

784
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,440
to a woman who would soon become his stepmother.

785
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,440
Stepmother.

786
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,440
Mother.

787
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,440
That's weird.

788
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,440
Stepfather, mother.

789
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,440
So this tenant is going to be his new stepmother?

790
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,760
No, it's a different mother.

791
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,560
No, the first tenant was a man.

792
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,640
It was one of his friends.

793
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:08,960
But when Samaya, Samaya is her name, so when Samaya would hang around, Elliot was like,

794
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,760
oh, this is another roommate.

795
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,840
Well then he began to witness them kissing and all the things that boyfriends, girlfriends

796
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,760
do, right?

797
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:24,880
So Samaya was a Moroccan actress and Samaya was also from a very successful family and

798
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,760
never wanted for nothing.

799
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,880
Elliot watched very closely at Pierre and Samaya's relationship and it was the first

800
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,760
exposure to a relationship between two people that weren't married, that he followed very

801
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:36,760
closely.

802
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,960
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of, I don't want to say inappropriate for his dad to have

803
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,320
done that, but that's really soon to just like bring someone around.

804
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,520
And especially because Elliot thought she was just another renter.

805
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,600
So Elliot began to soon realize that his father was a bit of a ladies man and that being with

806
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,600
women came easily for his father, probably because of, well, he's rich.

807
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,960
I can't even see two girls.

808
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,600
I'm only four.

809
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,240
While knowing it or not at the time, Elliot resented his father for being such a ladies

810
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,520
man, of course, right?

811
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:16,000
Elliot would also become, would come to resent Samaya as she was never really nurturing towards

812
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:22,240
Elliot and she would often take time to reprimand and discipline Elliot unnecessarily, at least

813
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,840
in Elliot's mind, for simple things.

814
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,880
Yeah, I just feel like a lot of this is like mumbo jumbo.

815
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,920
It's like, fucking dude.

816
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,400
She probably got mad at you because you made a giant mess in the kitchen and didn't clean

817
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,400
it up.

818
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,400
It's probably not unwarranted.

819
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,160
And you were probably pretty defiant too because I'm the new woman in your dad's life

820
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,200
and that's a very natural reaction to have.

821
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,240
And yet another thing to take attention away from you.

822
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:46,240
Yes.

823
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:47,240
I mean, he's a child.

824
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:50,040
Like he doesn't know how to process these emotions, but the fact that he's relaying

825
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,480
this information as an adult is very fucking irking.

826
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:58,400
He could just say, I fucking hated her and I hated her because she wasn't my mom.

827
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,280
And everything I'm hearing is him continuously trying to make an excuse for his current behavior

828
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,360
or his future behavior at this point.

829
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,320
Also, none of this is verbatim.

830
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:13,080
If it is verbatim, I will say quote, but this is also my interpretation of reading essentially

831
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,040
like two to three paragraphs and trying to sum it up in like a sentence or two.

832
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,040
Yeah.

833
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,040
Because he goes on and on.

834
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,920
And he just, just rambles.

835
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:22,920
Rambles, exactly.

836
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:23,920
It's like the toy box killer.

837
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,400
You can't read the whole audio tape or she'd be here for like three hours.

838
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,400
Yeah, exactly.

839
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,600
Up until this point, Elliot was a pretty disciplined child, but not without the occasional outburst

840
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,320
or tantrum when not getting what he wanted, which we've seen already.

841
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:44,280
Elliot was still in between two worlds, a normal child activity, like going on with

842
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:50,760
like school and stuff or friends, but then also setting to like red carpet events.

843
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,920
So he had been to several red carpets and those are all, you know, destinations either

844
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,760
in LA or other places.

845
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:58,760
So it was kind of weird.

846
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,800
It was almost like he never had any real normalcy at all.

847
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,160
He's like Hannah Montana.

848
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,160
Yeah.

849
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,880
Got the best of both worlds.

850
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,600
So while still in elementary school and as kiddos do, the boys and the girls began to

851
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,440
separate at recess and play times because the kids are getting older, right?

852
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,160
So boys play with boys, girls play with girls.

853
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,360
Although this is a normal part of child development, of course, Elliot would eventually begin to

854
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,320
feel left out specifically, right?

855
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:34,280
Because again, he already said that he didn't know where he was going to, where he belonged.

856
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,560
Elliot said, quote, I was happy living in innocent, ignorant bliss and I was happy with

857
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,560
it.

858
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,760
So he said, I was a child, I was a child and he was a child.

859
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,920
And I loved, I was loved, loved.

860
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,200
So I know, did you know that Hannah Montana was almost named Alexis Texas?

861
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,200
No.

862
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,800
And then they found out that someone had already had that name as a character.

863
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,400
So they changed it to Hannah Montana.

864
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,280
Well, the more you know, could you imagine that should have been canceled.

865
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,520
It was called Alexis Texas.

866
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,400
I would have been hyped as fuck.

867
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,120
Well, for here, yeah, probably not there.

868
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,120
So he did hang on to one friend, Elliot, which was Maddie, of course, and he always seemed

869
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,000
to have a special reserved spot for her in his heart.

870
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,000
Of course, he's seen her naked.

871
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,360
That was really gross.

872
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,360
Gross.

873
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:25,640
Maddie's parents would also divorce and her father would actually move back to England.

874
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,320
So again, another similar kind of boat that he was in.

875
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:36,040
After some vacation time in Morocco to visit Samaya's family and then to England to visit

876
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:42,160
more of Peter's family, the family would come home to Christine announcing that she would

877
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,040
be resigning and moving back to Germany where she was originally from.

878
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,120
This was the nanny, the only one that he kind of connected with.

879
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,120
Dang.

880
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,120
Yeah.

881
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,720
Everyone leaves me.

882
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:55,560
Especially nurturing figures is what he's getting.

883
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,480
Once again, another woman in Elliot's life was removed and once again, his father would

884
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,240
move homes now finding like the height of his career.

885
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:09,120
This is around, I wouldn't say necessarily hunger games, but this is pretty up there.

886
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:15,160
So it wasn't until Elliot's ninth birthday that he would have an actual regular birthday

887
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,920
fit for a child his age.

888
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:22,360
This was the first birthday where children were allowed to come to his birthday and run

889
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,080
around and play games.

890
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,640
I think it was like Disney themed or something.

891
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,640
Okay.

892
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,640
They're cute.

893
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,240
So again, they had always traveled or had adult dinners for his birthday, but this is

894
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:35,240
the first birthday.

895
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:39,200
But Elliot would be bothered by the fact that his younger sister's friends were also allowed

896
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,480
to attend, therefore taking the attention away from him.

897
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,360
I mean, that's kind of annoying.

898
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,360
Yeah.

899
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,800
If they're not friends with him, why are they at his birthday party?

900
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:48,800
I would be annoyed by that.

901
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,080
I mean, they're like five years younger.

902
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,120
I definitely remember that having birthday parties for me and like you girls having like

903
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,520
one or two kids your own age here.

904
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:57,520
Yeah.

905
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,520
Yeah.

906
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,720
I guess, but maybe like one friend, but like, this isn't like, oh, it's Elliot's birthday,

907
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:04,720
but also Georgia.

908
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:05,720
Yeah.

909
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:07,160
I feel like I would be, I'm sorry about that.

910
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,160
I did that.

911
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,760
I feel like I would be annoyed.

912
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:10,760
You were a baby.

913
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,240
He's jealous of a baby.

914
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:17,000
It's weird, you know, but that's also the parents doing like they're inviting the kids.

915
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,000
She's not, you know what I mean?

916
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,760
So it's like, I don't know.

917
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,560
I feel like I would be, I, here's the thing.

918
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,000
I would be a little annoyed, but I probably wouldn't like make it a big deal like that.

919
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,000
You know what I mean?

920
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000
I'd be like, okay, that's like annoying as fuck.

921
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,480
I also don't know the full ins and outs.

922
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:35,600
It's like if a child is in his grade and a child, like they have a brother, a younger

923
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,680
brother or sister that's also Georgia's age and why not bring the kid?

924
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,680
That's true.

925
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,640
So there's varying circumstances.

926
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,640
He's just a brat.

927
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:44,640
Yeah.

928
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,640
For show.

929
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,720
Elliot around this time also began to have very big issues with his height.

930
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:54,360
Slowly he was realizing that everyone around him seemed to be getting taller and stronger,

931
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,720
but he just stayed the same.

932
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:02,280
He had read some like article or a magazine about basketball players and he realized that

933
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,280
basketball players were very tall.

934
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,880
So he took up playing basketball.

935
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,040
Like he would go down to the little courts and play basketball by himself.

936
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,360
He's like, I'm going to grow.

937
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,040
I'm going to grow.

938
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,760
He would be like exercising on the playgrounds because he wanted to get bigger.

939
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,760
He said he would lay on the ground and stretch himself out as much as he could in an effort

940
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:20,760
to get taller.

941
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,760
Oh my God.

942
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:22,760
That's like really sad.

943
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,760
That's sad.

944
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,000
I did that when I was a kid.

945
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Did you really?

946
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,000
Yeah.

947
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,480
My goal was to be taller than mom and dad.

948
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,480
Are you taller than mom and dad?

949
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:32,480
No.

950
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,480
You are.

951
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,480
I'm going to cry.

952
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,480
Don't cry.

953
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,480
Oh no.

954
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,000
Is this your manifesto?

955
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,400
Did you write this, Koel?

956
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,400
Did you write this?

957
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,400
Oh my gosh.

958
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,400
I didn't know.

959
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,600
For those of you that don't know it and if you guys aren't going to see us at the podcast

960
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,480
festival, Koel, I'll tell you.

961
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,480
I'm five two.

962
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,480
I'm five nine.

963
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:52,480
I'm a giant.

964
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,480
I'm a giant.

965
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,480
I've always been so big.

966
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,480
I was laying in her bed going, get shorter.

967
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,480
Get shorter.

968
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,480
I swear to God I was.

969
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,480
I was like, let me drink a bunch of coffee.

970
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:00,480
Don't throw it at me.

971
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,480
I stunk my drugs.

972
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,280
I swear to God I started drinking coffee in middle school because I wanted to be shorter.

973
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,280
Are you serious?

974
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,280
I'm not even joking.

975
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,280
Okay.

976
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,280
I don't want to go anymore.

977
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,280
That really struck a chord with me because I used to do that too.

978
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,280
I used to lay in bed and go, I'm going to get so tall.

979
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,280
Oh my gosh.

980
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,280
That's so sad.

981
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,280
Stretch my body out as far as I could.

982
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,280
I'm sorry.

983
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,280
That's okay.

984
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,280
I can wear heels.

985
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,280
Which I would.

986
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,280
I was going to say I can wear heels.

987
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,280
I can wear heels.

988
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,680
You still look great in heels, you should.

989
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:24,680
I do sometimes.

990
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,880
I love the fact that it doesn't bother Casey because I'm at the exact same height when

991
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,960
we're in shoes, with no shoes.

992
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:38,040
When I wear heels, we're still pretty much the same height because he wears boots usually.

993
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,880
But I might be a hair taller than him and he has never once said, don't wear those.

994
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:42,880
It makes me feel bad.

995
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,280
When we take a picture, crotch down.

996
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:49,320
He has never once said that to me because he's a man and he is comfortable in his own

997
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,800
skin and I love it.

998
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:51,800
That's great.

999
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,720
But I also hate being a glamazon.

1000
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:54,720
I think it's cool.

1001
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,640
I would like to be at least two inches taller.

1002
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,360
I think 5'7 would be the perfect height.

1003
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,360
Is there a perfect height?

1004
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,360
Yes, 5'7.

1005
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,520
I feel like all bodies are beautiful, can I?

1006
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,520
Okay, well, disagree.

1007
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,520
I'm just kidding.

1008
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,520
That's not okay.

1009
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,520
That's not what I meant.

1010
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,520
That's awful.

1011
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,120
I don't like my height is what I meant.

1012
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,120
Oh, I see.

1013
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,120
You mean the perfect height for you.

1014
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,120
Yes.

1015
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,120
I'm not the perfect height for people.

1016
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,120
No, for me.

1017
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,120
Oh, okay.

1018
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,120
That's what I was saying.

1019
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,120
I was just saying.

1020
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,120
I was just saying.

1021
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,320
Okay, so everything like they calmed down over there?

1022
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,120
No, uniqueness is what I...just go.

1023
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,920
Anyway, I'm just gonna dig myself into it whole.

1024
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:31,920
Yeah, but it's not sad.

1025
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,120
So he's laying on the ground and he used to imagine himself being taller.

1026
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,560
That is really sad.

1027
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,560
He also admitted that around this age he does remember being a very jealous or envious person.

1028
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,840
He essentially always remembers being jealous or envious of something or someone for some

1029
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:46,840
reason.

1030
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,840
Okay.

1031
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:48,840
Which is a pretty big admit, I think.

1032
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,000
That is, and also a pretty big emotion for a 10-year-old to have.

1033
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,000
Yeah.

1034
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,160
Well, I think he's like, well, no, he's nine, right?

1035
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,160
He's nine?

1036
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,160
Yeah, I think so.

1037
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,160
Yeah.

1038
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,160
His ninth birthday.

1039
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,160
His ninth birthday.

1040
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,840
So he did begin to hold resentments towards his fellow classmates.

1041
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,960
He would often smile to people's faces, but internally despising the boys around him.

1042
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,760
So he's like, I am friends with these boys because I have to be, not because I want to

1043
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,880
be, so I'm gonna try to just be as nice as possible.

1044
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,880
Like doopers to light.

1045
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,440
Okay, yeah, that's kind of creepy.

1046
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,440
It is.

1047
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,440
He's like, I'm gonna kill you.

1048
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,440
You just wait.

1049
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:31,160
I'm waiting till I get taller.

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It seems that the conversations with girls came naturally to the other boys, and he

1062
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,520
really hated that, of course.

1063
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,520
This is the build up, y'all.

1064
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,320
Just sitting in a corner like, look at him.

1065
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,720
Look at him living in our lives.

1066
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:31,720
Existing.

1067
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:33,240
I can't stand that shit.

1068
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:36,480
This even extended into his own friendships at the time.

1069
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,960
He remembers being very jealous or envious when James would come over with other kids.

1070
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,880
Like he'd be like, oh, I want to bring my friend with me, and then he would watch James

1071
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,120
interacting with another kid, and he would get jealous.

1072
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,200
He'd be that one kid that's like, you can't have any other friends besides me.

1073
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,200
Yeah, exactly.

1074
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,200
Oh gosh.

1075
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,200
Anyone adult?

1076
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,560
I know multiple adults like that.

1077
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,560
Like that.

1078
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,120
I'm sorry, I know multiple people like that.

1079
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,120
I don't want to call those adults.

1080
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,120
Adults.

1081
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,120
It gives them that credit.

1082
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,680
It's too much cred.

1083
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,240
He would even get jealous when Maddie would come over and play with Georgia, his younger

1084
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:09,240
sister.

1085
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:10,240
Okay.

1086
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,720
I don't think they're little girls.

1087
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:18,200
He would sometimes cry or throw tantrums about it, and oftentimes wouldn't speak to James

1088
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,040
or Maddie after these interactions.

1089
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,080
That's such a heavy emotion for such a young kid to be experiencing.

1090
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,400
Well, how does he-

1091
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,560
He was forced to be an adult at like four.

1092
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:28,560
Yeah, that's very true.

1093
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,560
I mean, he already said that his parents- I don't know how true that is, but he already

1094
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,240
said that essentially his parents didn't want him, so they're like, okay, well, we're adults,

1095
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:39,960
and we're constantly traveling, and you need to be adult enough to do this.

1096
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:40,960
It's actually very true.

1097
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:41,960
I didn't even think about that.

1098
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:47,000
Eliot's parents would soon switch week to week, like week on week off, which was kind

1099
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:52,520
of exciting for Eliot since he didn't get to spend a lot of time with his father.

1100
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,560
Although his father would just end up hiring two nannies instead.

1101
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:57,560
Wow.

1102
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,560
Yeah.

1103
00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,560
Two nannies.

1104
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,440
Well, I guess there's two kids because if they're passing Georgia too, that makes sense.

1105
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,240
So he didn't have to deal with them.

1106
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:06,240
Exactly.

1107
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:07,240
Cool.

1108
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:11,880
So Eliot's relationship would become more strained the more time that he spent over

1109
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,160
at Peter's house.

1110
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:19,200
So Maya would insist Eliot drink milk every morning, and he fucking hated that.

1111
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:24,880
He also complained about a soup that Samaya used to regularly make often, saying that

1112
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,560
he hated it.

1113
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,480
So Maya would soon implement drinking this soup as a form of punishment.

1114
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,480
What?

1115
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:32,480
Yeah.

1116
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,560
I think I did hear that.

1117
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,520
So she forced him to drink it on several occasions as a punishment.

1118
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,280
Oh, that's not, that's fucked up.

1119
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,280
Isn't that fucked up?

1120
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,280
That is fucked up.

1121
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,440
Especially like that I cannot stand if people use food to abuse their children.

1122
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:45,440
Absolutely.

1123
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,440
Whether it's withholding or forcing.

1124
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,440
That's so fucking disgusting.

1125
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,440
And then you wonder why they grew up with eating disorders.

1126
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:52,440
Right.

1127
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,440
Like honestly.

1128
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,440
Exactly.

1129
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,480
Once Eliot and Samaya would have an argument in front of Philip, his childhood friend,

1130
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,320
and after this incident, apparently Philip wasn't allowed at the house anymore, which

1131
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,720
I suppose Eliot thought Samaya had told Philip's parents that Philip wasn't allowed to come

1132
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:09,200
over anymore.

1133
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,240
Or Philip went home and told his parents that they got in a fight and the parents were

1134
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:15,320
like, ooh, I don't want you over there if it's going to be like a toxic environment.

1135
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,320
True, exactly.

1136
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,840
And the only reason I say that is because Philip was still allowed to go to Luchines.

1137
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,520
So, oh okay.

1138
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,840
So it's not an Eliot thing, it was a Samaya thing.

1139
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,840
Either way.

1140
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:26,840
Yeah.

1141
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,600
Either Samaya said Philip can't come over or Philip, Philip's parents were like, we don't

1142
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:30,600
want you around that woman.

1143
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:31,600
Yeah.

1144
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,600
Well shit.

1145
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:33,600
I don't want to be in them.

1146
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,920
I'd probably do the same thing if that's what happened.

1147
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,080
In an effort to fit in around this time, Eliot picked up skateboarding and he actually

1148
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,600
wanted to dye his hair, specifically bleach it.

1149
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,800
Because spiky bleach tips were like the coolest thing.

1150
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,960
Hell yeah, I want to be JT all the way.

1151
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:47,960
It's true.

1152
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,680
This was LA after all and it was cool to bleach your hair and have spiked tips.

1153
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:56,320
His parents did allow this and although it did gain him some type of attention at school

1154
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,560
for a few days, it didn't last very long and he went back to kind of being the kid who

1155
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:01,560
felt ignored.

1156
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,440
It's like, man, cool haircut bro.

1157
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,440
Anyways, have a good day.

1158
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:06,440
Yeah, goodbye.

1159
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:07,440
Bye.

1160
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,440
Oh, you liked his skateboard?

1161
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,440
Cool.

1162
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:11,440
Later.

1163
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:16,160
Yet again, Peter would move this following year as well.

1164
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,240
So he moved to another house.

1165
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:19,240
Cute.

1166
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:22,640
Eliot having to get used to another new environment, of course.

1167
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:23,640
Cute.

1168
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,280
Lee Shin would also move to a bigger house.

1169
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,280
Cute.

1170
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,280
Cuter.

1171
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,280
Cuter.

1172
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,280
Well good for her.

1173
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,280
She deserves a bigger house.

1174
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:37,960
So we know by now that Samaya has essentially scared all of Eliot's friends away, right?

1175
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,440
So Samaya's like, you need to make more friends.

1176
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:46,840
So in an effort to force Eliot into making neighborhood friends, she actually locked

1177
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,400
him out of the house once and she said, you need to go talk to those kids.

1178
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,400
Go be friends with those kids.

1179
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,400
You're not allowed back in the house until you know all their names essentially.

1180
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:55,400
Yeah.

1181
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,400
What a fucking weirdo.

1182
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:58,400
Yeah.

1183
00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:59,400
She's a bitch.

1184
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,560
I mean, again, this is all according to Eliot, but still.

1185
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,240
So he was locked out until he can meet all the new neighborhood kids or the new kids

1186
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:07,240
in the neighborhood.

1187
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:08,240
Okay.

1188
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:11,360
And now I'm like, yeah, now that you said that, I'm like, maybe she didn't do that.

1189
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,120
Or maybe it wasn't extreme.

1190
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,320
Maybe it was like, no, you need to go and go meet friends.

1191
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,000
Like go, this is your new neighborhood.

1192
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,480
Go out there and go play with the kids.

1193
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,160
She's like, she locked me out for real.

1194
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,120
She locked me out until dark.

1195
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,280
I'm sure she was tired of him playing video games all day.

1196
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,280
True.

1197
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:32,560
So one time the family got together and they flew to France, which Eliot was very excited

1198
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:33,640
about.

1199
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,600
This trip was a very expensive one.

1200
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:43,920
And Eliot had already known of his love for opulence and all things, you know, super

1201
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,640
pricey.

1202
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,000
He hated that Samaya was there with them though.

1203
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,640
And after an argument between him and Samaya, Samaya made Eliot stay in the hotel room

1204
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:59,400
all night while she, her and Peter and Georgia went out like for a night out in the town.

1205
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,680
Like you can't come with us because we had an argument.

1206
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,800
But it wouldn't have been just her though.

1207
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,240
Peter had to have like known or at least like didn't say anything if she did that.

1208
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:11,240
Yeah, exactly.

1209
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:12,240
Peter doesn't say shit.

1210
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:13,240
Hmm, cute.

1211
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:14,240
Yeah.

1212
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:15,240
Absolutely.

1213
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:21,240
So he always hated trips with Samaya, of course, because they would argue often and

1214
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:25,200
they would take trips often, unfortunately.

1215
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:30,000
Eliot in an effort to be cool had tried several times to integrate himself with kind of the

1216
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,480
cool clicks, popular kids or the skateboarders or whatever.

1217
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:39,240
A lot of times these conversations would turn to the topic of girls, you know, which is

1218
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:43,920
the guys, you know, talking with the guys, just one of the guys.

1219
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,360
And how soon enough that by middle school everyone was going to start dating and kissing

1220
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:49,360
each other.

1221
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,200
Like if we get to middle school we can hold a girl hand, you know.

1222
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,160
Yeah, he's like that.

1223
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,680
He didn't fully get that.

1224
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,760
He was like, I don't understand why that's like a thing.

1225
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,000
Why is that a goal?

1226
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,000
Like this is school.

1227
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,120
Like we're here to get an education kind of a thing, I guess.

1228
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,000
He was kind of disgusted by the fact that all of his male peers were like, can't wait

1229
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,000
to get into middle school.

1230
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,200
We're going to get it, you know.

1231
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,880
Well, I'm sure he was also disgusted by relationships in general because he's had a hell of a time

1232
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,600
like with his experience of seeing them.

1233
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,320
Especially with like, you know, a female.

1234
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,320
Yeah.

1235
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,880
So, he didn't fully get that.

1236
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:31,880
And I don't think that he really understood that puberty was like going to be a thing.

1237
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,720
I don't know what kind of sex education they have in fucking LA or whatever, but essentially

1238
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:42,880
he didn't understand why girls and guys had been separated up until this point.

1239
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,560
But then like you get to like a milestone of sorts and then all of a sudden they start

1240
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:47,640
commingling.

1241
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,120
It's just weird to me.

1242
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,520
Like that whole concept was strange.

1243
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:57,400
So coming into middle school, Elliot was becoming more envious of boys around him.

1244
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:03,000
He would ask himself things like, oh like she is clearly, you know, dough-eyed for this

1245
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,680
boy, but like what's so great about him?

1246
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,120
Like what's so great about so-and-so?

1247
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,360
What's so great about him?

1248
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,720
Yeah, I don't get it.

1249
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:09,720
I don't get it.

1250
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:10,720
I don't get that.

1251
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:11,720
I don't get it either.

1252
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:13,880
Like fix your fucking self then if you're worried about it.

1253
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,960
If you want to fucking have something worth being looked at like that, I don't fucking

1254
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:19,960
know.

1255
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,280
He felt that boys are obnoxious jerks and that girls were dumb for liking them in the

1256
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,280
first place.

1257
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,280
Yeah, oh yeah.

1258
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,280
That's his thing.

1259
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,400
We hated both sexes, yeah.

1260
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:34,000
He said about this time that he was realizing that the cool thing to be at this point was

1261
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,920
popular with girls.

1262
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,200
So skateboarding had kind of worked for a second, bleach tips were kind of working for

1263
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,200
a second.

1264
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:46,920
But now the cool thing was to be liked by girls and that's just something that he again didn't

1265
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:47,920
understand.

1266
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,160
Cause why are you interested in girls?

1267
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,680
Like you were weird cause girls are annoying or whatever he's thinking.

1268
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:58,440
Eventually as the years of middle school progressed, he was friendly with a group enough that some

1269
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,640
of the girls in the group would actually hug Elliot as like part of a greeting cause they

1270
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,320
would hug everybody and when greeting the group.

1271
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:11,560
And then he felt elation with each hug and this excited him.

1272
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,360
Like he was like, ooh, he's a girl hug.

1273
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,360
Yeah.

1274
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,960
Popped a fucking halfie.

1275
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,200
Probably.

1276
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:23,520
Even at school dances, he would be asked to dance a few times and even slow dance.

1277
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,200
And this was like a really big deal for him, although he was really conflicted cause ew

1278
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,200
girls, right?

1279
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,200
Yeah.

1280
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,760
He's, he's saying you girls because the girls aren't paying attention to him.

1281
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:34,760
Exactly.

1282
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,560
And he's like, ew, like jizzing his pants.

1283
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:38,960
But like other than that, he's like, nope, fuck that.

1284
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:39,960
I don't even like girls.

1285
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:40,960
I don't even like girls.

1286
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:41,960
It's like Timothy McVeigh.

1287
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,680
Like I'm going to say I don't like something.

1288
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,520
I'm going to make the decision.

1289
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,480
It's not the decision being made for me.

1290
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:48,480
Exactly.

1291
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:49,480
It's me.

1292
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:50,480
It's my decision.

1293
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,520
So now it's not embarrassing cause I just do that.

1294
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,040
Lee Chin would move again.

1295
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:00,880
Around this time, Elliot's best friend James's mother would actually pass away.

1296
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:06,160
And this profoundly affected Elliot who watched his friend mourning the loss of his mother.

1297
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:14,920
Again, just another nurturing figure or a warm mother, you know, female figure just,

1298
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,320
you know, not there anymore.

1299
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:21,520
And that it really profoundly affected the person that he cared about.

1300
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:26,600
Another boy in Elliot's grade had been invited over once by Lee Chin when she saw the two

1301
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,560
hanging out after school one day.

1302
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,280
And this was to Elliot's dismay.

1303
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,080
He did not really care for this kid.

1304
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:38,400
He wasn't known for being the most popular kid, this boy, and was easily one of the meanest

1305
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,600
kids as well.

1306
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:45,880
After this time of coming over, this kid began to spread a rumor that Elliot's family was

1307
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:50,880
poor and lived in a poor person's house because this was Lee Chin's house.

1308
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,640
So he's jealous.

1309
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:53,640
Who?

1310
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:54,640
The kid.

1311
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,560
So he made up like the opposite of what his-

1312
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,080
No, these are all really affluent kids.

1313
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,400
It's just that Lee Chin since the divorce, she didn't have as nice or big of a house

1314
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,080
even though it was a three bedroom house.

1315
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:06,080
Oh, okay.

1316
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,080
I see what you're saying.

1317
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,880
I thought he was like jealous that he had all this stuff so he made up like a rumor

1318
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:10,880
that was like the opposite.

1319
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,320
No, these are like crazy affluent kids.

1320
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,360
So they all live in really big homes.

1321
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,480
But again, Lee Chin's home was a modest three bedroom because she's a divorcee and she didn't

1322
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:21,480
require a lot.

1323
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,480
Yeah.

1324
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,280
Again, it just wasn't as big as everyone else's.

1325
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:30,640
It became obsessed at this point by proving that he was just as affluent as his peers

1326
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:37,680
and he would constantly need to remind people, my dad's this famous filmmaker, blah, blah.

1327
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:42,360
So it's definitely- it definitely put a stain where it tarnished his reputation.

1328
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:43,360
Yeah.

1329
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:48,680
Elliot, like most kids of the early 2000s, would often be on the computer in chat rooms

1330
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,200
using things like AOL and AIM.

1331
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,200
AIM.

1332
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,200
AIM.

1333
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,360
I love that.

1334
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,440
He had tried to make some online friends to kind of supplement his need for attention

1335
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,440
from the real world.

1336
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,160
As one does.

1337
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:07,400
One of these online friends would actually begin to send Elliot photos of nude women.

1338
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,760
This was really strange to Elliot.

1339
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:14,320
Up until now he hadn't seen a naked woman, a fully developed naked woman.

1340
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:19,040
And he felt an intense emotion of desire and also intimidation and fear.

1341
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,520
Well, yeah, because he doesn't like women.

1342
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:26,480
He's always like mad at himself for even thinking like in any way good, you know?

1343
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:27,480
Absolutely.

1344
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,040
He actually immediately stopped talking to this person after they sent the photos.

1345
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,360
He was like traumatized by this.

1346
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,480
What the fuck ever.

1347
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,680
Summer- sorry, that's a stupid thing to say.

1348
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:38,680
Fuck.

1349
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:39,680
He's like in middle school.

1350
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:40,680
You're a pissing.

1351
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,280
I'd tell you that like they could- but ass.

1352
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,520
I could pissing.

1353
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,840
Pour it on the family computer.

1354
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:53,920
Summer camp came that year and Elliot was playing around with some of his peers, like

1355
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,600
running around with people- either kids that he knew or didn't know but just in his age

1356
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,760
range.

1357
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:04,000
He had accidentally bumped into a girl that was much bigger than he was, much older.

1358
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,440
She turned to Elliot and she began screaming, cussing and pointing at him, completely embarrassing

1359
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,080
him in front of everyone around.

1360
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,600
Elliot said that this girl was incredibly pretty.

1361
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,800
But how could she be so cruel to him?

1362
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,200
He said about this quote, cruel treatment from a woman is ten times worse than from

1363
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:24,200
a man.

1364
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,160
It made me feel like an insignificant, unworthy little mouse.

1365
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,160
End quote.

1366
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:30,160
Which you probably liked.

1367
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:31,160
Mommy?

1368
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,640
It's got a mommy complex.

1369
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,320
But like be nice to people.

1370
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,720
Like honestly, teach your kids to be nice to people.

1371
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:40,720
Yeah.

1372
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:41,720
We said it like a couple episodes ago.

1373
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:46,320
Like if there's a kid in your school that a lot of people see as like maybe kind of

1374
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,200
weird, maybe kind of like you know not normative or whatever.

1375
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,200
Be nice to them.

1376
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,600
Everyone wants people to be nice to them.

1377
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,840
It doesn't cost any fucking money to be nice to someone and if someone bumps into you it's

1378
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,120
probably a fucking accident.

1379
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,800
Well she probably felt like- powerful.

1380
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,600
Powerful or cool because she was like older.

1381
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,760
Yeah, girls bully boys often.

1382
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:07,760
Of course.

1383
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:08,760
Often, yeah.

1384
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,760
In Catherine Knight in the making.

1385
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:11,760
Exactly.

1386
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:12,760
Honey night.

1387
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,280
Wherever this poor little girl is.

1388
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,760
She's finally made up.

1389
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,000
She's listening and she's like fuck those bitches.

1390
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,000
Fuck these bitches.

1391
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,800
That was a child.

1392
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:25,240
Even with this event, Elliot was jealous when he saw the girl with another boy before the

1393
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:26,240
end of camp.

1394
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:27,240
Of course he was.

1395
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:28,240
Yeah.

1396
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:29,960
He was like, she made me pee my pants.

1397
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,160
I love her.

1398
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,440
I wish she would like touch me.

1399
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,440
I don't know.

1400
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,720
I was trying to say something funny and it came out gross.

1401
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:38,720
Like hold hands.

1402
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:39,720
Yeah.

1403
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:40,720
I wish she would hold my hand.

1404
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:41,720
I wish she would yell at me more.

1405
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,480
She really yells at that guy a lot.

1406
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,920
He definitely despised this other kid because he was talking to this girl.

1407
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,960
Of course because it's his fault.

1408
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,360
While playing video games at a local LAN center, I love that sentence.

1409
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:54,360
Oh my god.

1410
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:55,360
I used to do that in high school too.

1411
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:56,360
I don't know if you know that.

1412
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:57,360
What?

1413
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,080
I used to go to the LAN center and play video games in high school.

1414
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,080
Oh really?

1415
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,080
Yeah.

1416
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,040
I just loved that sentence.

1417
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:08,840
Elliot came across a boy that was watching porn either on his phone or on a PC or something.

1418
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:09,840
He wasn't on his phone.

1419
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,840
It was like the 90s, wasn't it?

1420
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,760
It was 2000s, early 2000s.

1421
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,760
Elliot already had his first cell phone by this point I think.

1422
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:16,760
What year is it?

1423
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:17,760
I don't even think smartphone is right.

1424
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,760
What year is it?

1425
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,360
No, he wouldn't get his first cell phone until 14 or 15th.

1426
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:23,360
Never mind.

1427
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,360
This is going to be like 20, 2000.

1428
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:26,360
It was early 2000s.

1429
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:27,360
But there's no smartphones though.

1430
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:28,360
There's no smartphones though.

1431
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,360
He wouldn't be able to watch porn on his phone.

1432
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,040
He would have to watch it on the internet.

1433
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,480
When did the Blackberry come out?

1434
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,960
Like 2005 or something like that?

1435
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,960
Yeah, probably two.

1436
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,960
Probably watch porn on that.

1437
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:40,960
I don't know.

1438
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,880
If there's a will, there's a way.

1439
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:43,880
That's what I'm saying.

1440
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,880
Remember when you used to accidentally hit the internet button on your phone and you

1441
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,880
had to hit it in like a thousand times before it connected?

1442
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:49,880
Shit, shit, shit.

1443
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,720
Before it connected to pay for that sort of luxury?

1444
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,200
Before it connected, you had to cancel?

1445
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,200
Yeah.

1446
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:55,200
Cancel it connected to the internet.

1447
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,480
I remember one of the most old fashioned things I've ever done is that me and my friends

1448
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,320
used to send pictures to each other through Bluetooth because you couldn't text message

1449
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:04,320
a picture.

1450
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,320
What?

1451
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:06,320
Through Bluetooth?

1452
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:07,320
Through Bluetooth.

1453
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,120
We figured out a way to send pictures via Bluetooth.

1454
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:13,160
I didn't know how to work Bluetooth until like six years ago.

1455
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:14,160
It was very weird.

1456
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,800
I had no idea that your phone could connect.

1457
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:20,360
I didn't have my first smartphone until 2000 and 15.

1458
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:25,840
I didn't have my first smartphone until 2012, I think, because I was a junior in high school.

1459
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,240
Because Justin and I were definitely together and I was working at Whole Foods.

1460
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,640
And I was like, how does this work?

1461
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,360
How does it know where your fingers are at?

1462
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:32,840
I didn't understand it.

1463
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:37,640
But yeah, me and Zach would send photos, you know, just stupid pictures of her back and

1464
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,800
forth via Bluetooth because a text message couldn't hold a photo.

1465
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:41,800
It was so weird.

1466
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:42,800
We were in like middle school.

1467
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:43,800
That's crazy.

1468
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:44,800
Yeah.

1469
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:45,800
Yeah.

1470
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,560
I just remember having to stand in the kitchen while talking on the phone with my friends

1471
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,120
because it was a cord and we didn't have a cordless.

1472
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:54,120
And anyways.

1473
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,160
Oh gosh, we're old.

1474
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,520
Well, you'll always be younger.

1475
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,600
Just remember that.

1476
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,480
So again, Elliot came across this boy watching porn on a PC.

1477
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,440
He'll say that for shits and gigs.

1478
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,440
On his watch is Apple Watch.

1479
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,440
With his hologram.

1480
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,120
He's a vampire.

1481
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,800
This was Elliot's first exposure to sex with penetration.

1482
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,760
So he had never seen that before.

1483
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,840
And it was weird to him.

1484
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:26,520
He said that he had always kind of felt these, you know, this arouse like us.

1485
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:27,520
He didn't really know.

1486
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:28,520
He just said feelings.

1487
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,680
He just said, I always have these feelings towards women.

1488
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,960
But I never knew until now what you actually do with those feelings.

1489
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:34,960
Okay.

1490
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,960
If that makes sense.

1491
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,200
Like you get aroused and you don't really know what that means.

1492
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:46,360
But then you see two people in acting, you know, sex and you're like, oh, that's what

1493
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:47,960
my brain's trying to tell me.

1494
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:48,960
Yeah.

1495
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:49,960
Is that this is a thing.

1496
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:50,960
This is an act that you do.

1497
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,400
This feeling that I have is an act.

1498
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,680
And so it really weirded him out, essentially.

1499
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:56,680
Yeah.

1500
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,680
He said that he, this also traumatized him, of course, just like the naked pictures of

1501
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:01,680
the woman.

1502
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,240
And he felt disgusted with himself.

1503
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,240
It was grotesque.

1504
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,720
He cried on his walk home because he had no idea what to do with the feelings that he

1505
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:09,720
was having.

1506
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,360
It makes sense.

1507
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,560
Elliot began to throw himself into more video games at home because he eventually got his

1508
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,640
own gaming PC.

1509
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:22,440
In his words, he became addicted and he stopped caring about being shy, reserved or a nerdy

1510
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:23,440
kid at school.

1511
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:24,440
He kind of just embraced it.

1512
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:25,920
He's like, yeah, I'm a computer nerd.

1513
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:33,920
I will tell you, a lot of his manifesto is all about wow and like World of Warcraft and

1514
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,160
this PC place that he used to go to, this arcade.

1515
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:38,160
He would talk about that.

1516
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,920
He would talk about, I mean, he was essentially just obsessed with World of Warcraft.

1517
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,920
That was Anders as well.

1518
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:44,920
Yeah.

1519
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,280
Anders Brithic, remember his manifesto too.

1520
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:51,200
He's like, I got into World of Warcraft and now I'm currently playing whatever game he

1521
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:52,200
was playing.

1522
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:57,120
A lot of Elliot's manifesto was what the new game was.

1523
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,240
He really kind of tried to like talk about that.

1524
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,840
I didn't put it all in here, but every single time he got a new console, he remembered when

1525
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:03,840
he got it.

1526
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:08,920
So it was, you know, Nintendo 64, then it was a PlayStation, then it was an Xbox, then

1527
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,560
it was a Game Boy, then he was into Pokemon, then he was into, I mean, it was a lot of

1528
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:13,720
nerd culture stuff.

1529
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:19,120
He also associates his first gaming console with his father, maybe trying to distract him.

1530
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,840
So that's probably something that really stuck with him throughout his life.

1531
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,560
Like, okay, when things go wrong, at least I get this.

1532
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:27,560
Yeah.

1533
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:28,960
At least I get a video game or whatever.

1534
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:29,960
Absolutely.

1535
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,720
I think that you and I both know people that play video games.

1536
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:37,480
I mean, I really know a lot of people that play video games, but some of the times it's

1537
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:45,240
people that have had turmoil in their home and to just drown everything out, you just

1538
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:46,880
play video games.

1539
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,000
And it's another world.

1540
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,600
Some people play video games, some people read books, some people are really big book

1541
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:57,320
readers, and a lot of the times we also see people that we do cases on that are big book

1542
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:58,320
readers.

1543
01:04:58,320 --> 01:04:59,320
Yeah.

1544
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:04,680
And they were just crazy alcoholics and just drink at the side of any kind of upsetness,

1545
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,880
which was me as fuck yesterday.

1546
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:08,880
Give me the drink.

1547
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,120
I felt really disappointed in myself yesterday because I've been doing really well throughout

1548
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:13,120
the week.

1549
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:14,120
I'm not drinking at all.

1550
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,120
And yesterday I got upset at you actually.

1551
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:18,120
LOL.

1552
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:19,120
I know.

1553
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:20,120
And immediately ran to the bar.

1554
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:21,120
I was like, fuck this.

1555
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,120
I'm going to the bar.

1556
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,600
And then I literally sat there for like two hours by myself.

1557
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,720
It was more so just to get out of the house.

1558
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:32,520
It wasn't necessarily to drink, but you know how fucking dry I thought you were still at

1559
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,040
home because I, um, where is this before you came home?

1560
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:37,720
No, this was after I got home.

1561
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:38,720
Okay.

1562
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,480
I was like, I was like seven hours ago.

1563
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,640
Wasn't she at home seven hours ago?

1564
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:44,640
Nope.

1565
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:45,640
Nope.

1566
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,640
Had that truly in my face.

1567
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,240
Totally over it now.

1568
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:50,640
Totally over it.

1569
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,920
You're so funny.

1570
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:55,920
Little child syndrome.

1571
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,680
I'm not going to talk about the fridge.

1572
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,200
But I cleaned out the fridge days ago.

1573
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:04,200
And so when I was already asked, I'm not even going to talk about it.

1574
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,440
Just move on.

1575
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,880
So of course he would get addicted.

1576
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:13,960
But as soon as he started owning his own PC, he also started going through puberty at this

1577
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:18,800
point and he was noticing more and more that girls were like adverse to him.

1578
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,000
It's like, oh, they just, they're disgusted by me.

1579
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,640
They won't even look at me.

1580
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:27,560
Was he trying to go up and talk to girls or was he just sitting there like this?

1581
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,160
Like people watching and being like, no one's coming up to me.

1582
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:32,160
Exactly.

1583
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,160
He wanted people to initiate it.

1584
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:34,680
He never wanted to initiate it.

1585
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,760
Then you can't bitch and moan about it when you're not even trying.

1586
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,240
What about the girls that were giving him hugs?

1587
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:40,240
You can't talk to those girls?

1588
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,400
Seriously, I know you well enough.

1589
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:43,400
I'm sorry.

1590
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:44,400
I can't stand that.

1591
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,600
It's like you, it's he's, there's the sense of entitlement as well.

1592
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:48,920
Of course people would want to come up to me.

1593
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,280
Why wouldn't they?

1594
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,120
And then when they don't, it's like, well they're bitches anyway.

1595
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:54,120
Like I hate that.

1596
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:55,120
Les meas.

1597
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:56,120
Oh my God.

1598
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:57,120
Yes.

1599
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,120
I love that.

1600
01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:59,120
Fucking yes.

1601
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:00,120
Well that was me, right?

1602
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,120
Can I get your number?

1603
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:02,120
No.

1604
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:03,120
Lesbians.

1605
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,440
I swear to God someone said that to me.

1606
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,440
I was like, okay.

1607
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:08,440
Yeah, sure.

1608
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:09,440
I'm a lesbian.

1609
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:10,440
Yeah.

1610
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:11,440
Makes you walk away from me.

1611
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:12,440
I'm a big old lesbian.

1612
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:16,440
Like I want to sit down and get a big little question.

1613
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,640
No, I remember one time it's like, no, we were at the bar and me and my girlfriend and

1614
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,640
my were at the bar and this guy comes up and he's like, hey mama.

1615
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:24,640
I was like, oh fuck no.

1616
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:25,640
This is like only a couple of years ago.

1617
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,800
So me and my girlfriend were dating and obviously like I'm not talking to random guys at the

1618
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:32,800
bar and he comes up and he's like, two of us and then like him and a buddy of his and

1619
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,760
he's like, hey can I buy you a drink?

1620
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,080
He's in like a fucking knee long like spurs jersey.

1621
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:38,080
Oh no.

1622
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,080
He grew up here for sure.

1623
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:41,080
You can buy me a drink.

1624
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:42,080
And I was like, no, no thanks.

1625
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:46,840
Like I had actually just gotten one and usually like if a guy's nice I'll be like sure and

1626
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:47,840
then he's like, oh where are you from?

1627
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:48,840
I'm like, bye.

1628
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:49,840
You know what I mean?

1629
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:50,840
Free drink.

1630
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:51,840
Thanks for the drink.

1631
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:52,840
But no, he was like, can I buy you a drink?

1632
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:53,840
I was like, no it's okay.

1633
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:54,840
He's like, no come on, come on.

1634
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,840
I was like, I'm not doing your girl like a round of shots and I was like, no honestly

1635
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,280
like I think we're good but thank you though.

1636
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:59,280
Like I appreciate it.

1637
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:00,280
And he goes, ugh.

1638
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:01,280
And I was like, ugh.

1639
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,840
Like right back to him and he was like, gave me this look.

1640
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:05,840
I was like, what?

1641
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:07,840
Okay so you can ugh me but I can't ugh you.

1642
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:08,840
Like fuck you.

1643
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:09,840
Ugh.

1644
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:14,840
And then of course all night you know he's like, give me the fucking bombastic side-eye.

1645
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:15,840
Bombastic.

1646
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,440
That's awful.

1647
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:25,880
So Elliot was kind of having this complicated feeling about desiring women and also in a

1648
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:31,240
weird way finding it arousing that they took pleasure in picking on him and being mean

1649
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,240
to him and he called them heartless creatures.

1650
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:35,240
Mommy.

1651
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:36,240
That's so nice.

1652
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:37,240
Discipline me mommy.

1653
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:38,240
Seriously.

1654
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:39,520
That's seriously what he's going through.

1655
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:43,040
I was talking to two girls at work today and I was talking about mom's potato salad

1656
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:50,800
recipe but I accidentally said mommy because I said mom and then I said my mom and then

1657
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,040
I kept talking and I was like, I'm sorry it sounded like I said mommy just now and the

1658
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,040
girl was like, oh my god I was like, don't look at her, don't look at her, don't look

1659
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:57,040
at her, don't look at her.

1660
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,040
The thing I was like, I'm not weird.

1661
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:00,040
I was like laughing about.

1662
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:04,040
I was like I promise I don't say mommy casually.

1663
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,040
My mommy's potato salad.

1664
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,520
Oh your mom made this?

1665
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,040
No my mom doesn't make potato salad but my mommy does.

1666
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:19,040
I've already presented myself as a weird person at work but you know what I'm going to do

1667
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:20,040
about it?

1668
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:21,040
I'm going to make friends and be nice and keep trying.

1669
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,040
I'm not going to get you.

1670
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:23,040
You're not going to be an Elliot.

1671
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,040
Yeah exactly.

1672
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:29,320
Elliot couldn't stay on the idea that high school was supposedly more trying than middle

1673
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,920
school when it came to connecting with girls.

1674
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,200
He actually begged his parents to enroll him in an all boys' Catholic school.

1675
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,440
You would think that like one person would think maybe like it's a fresh start.

1676
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:42,560
Like oh there's going to be so many new opportunities for me to meet people.

1677
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,440
It's just going to be the same shit over and over.

1678
01:09:44,440 --> 01:09:46,440
Yeah we'll get there.

1679
01:09:46,440 --> 01:09:51,040
At this point he was terrified of girls, his words.

1680
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:57,720
Further complicating things at home, Samaya would actually birth a child with Peter having

1681
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:03,560
a boy essentially pushing Elliot farther away from getting the attention from his dad that

1682
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,040
he craved because now there's a new baby.

1683
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:11,040
When Elliot started high school instead of feeling the comfort of not having any girls

1684
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:15,960
around because he did get enrolled in that all boys' school he was like oh gosh there's

1685
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,080
not going to be any girls.

1686
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,240
This is going to be a smooth year.

1687
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:24,760
He actually became intimidated by all the good looking tall men at the school.

1688
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,240
It's not one thing it's another.

1689
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,800
Yeah then he's like oh shit now I'm the small fry.

1690
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:29,800
Like yeah.

1691
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:30,800
What?

1692
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:31,800
Small fry.

1693
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:32,800
He has a little small fry.

1694
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:33,800
Just a funny term.

1695
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:35,280
He was a little twig.

1696
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,400
Okay but yeah again it's the entitlement thing.

1697
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,400
If it's not one thing it's another.

1698
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,520
I have to have something to bitch about.

1699
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:42,520
Yeah exactly.

1700
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,640
I have to have an excuse for my behavior.

1701
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,840
So anything I can pull and pick at when I'm younger that's what I'm going to put my manifesto

1702
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,480
to make it okay for me to do what I'm about to do.

1703
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:54,080
And that has nothing to do with anything.

1704
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,440
It's just an excuse.

1705
01:10:56,440 --> 01:11:01,360
Elliot would soon experience bullying as he was still much smaller and much weaker looking

1706
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,400
than the rest of the boys.

1707
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,640
One boy who had gone to elementary school with Elliot was also attending this all boys school

1708
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:08,960
as well.

1709
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,720
He told everyone that Elliot was a weirdo.

1710
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:18,360
Elliot had confided in another schoolmate that he was fearful of girls so everyone quickly

1711
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,400
started calling him the F slur they thought he was gay.

1712
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:22,400
Oh that's sad.

1713
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,080
See that's understandable.

1714
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,080
That one instance.

1715
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,320
It's not just the fact that there was taller guys there.

1716
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,360
No yeah that he was like well I don't really know.

1717
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:35,800
Oh so like you'd done it before because they're in high school and he's like actually no I

1718
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:40,360
haven't and girls are disgusting so oh so you must be gay.

1719
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:41,360
Yeah exactly.

1720
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,040
That's awful.

1721
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:47,320
Boys would often take things from Elliot and run away in an effort to get Elliot to chase

1722
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:52,240
them and in order for him to regain his things he always felt defeated because he could never

1723
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,040
catch up because he was just little.

1724
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,120
It was like monkey in the middle.

1725
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:57,120
That's really sad.

1726
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,120
I don't like that.

1727
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:59,120
It is.

1728
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,120
It's just bullying.

1729
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:05,440
He went here to escape mental bullying I guess you know because of girls.

1730
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:07,920
Do you better people?

1731
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:12,160
Sometimes Elliot would wait for hallways to clear just so that other kids wouldn't be

1732
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:17,880
in the hallways so he could just book it to class like for the last minute.

1733
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,320
And teachers like didn't notice these things?

1734
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,120
No probably not.

1735
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:23,120
Just boys being boys.

1736
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:24,800
Boys and the people.

1737
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,120
Locker room talk.

1738
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:31,120
Elliot would begin to masturbate in high school.

1739
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:37,000
He considered himself to be a person with a very high sex drive as well although porn

1740
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,000
and girls did scare him still.

1741
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:44,560
He would avoid looking at porn on his computer but he would scroll around the internet looking

1742
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:49,680
for ads just to find a pretty girl to masturbate to.

1743
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:55,760
Like essentially what you would do with like a Victoria's Secret catalog instead of looking

1744
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,280
at porn because porn grossed him out.

1745
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,200
Sex in general grossed him out.

1746
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:02,520
He did do this regularly.

1747
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,880
Like he said it was pretty much a habitual problem.

1748
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:10,320
He would overhear conversations between boys at school about their sexual experiences and

1749
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,880
Elliot was grossed out and disturbed by this of course.

1750
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:18,000
He couldn't understand that he was already at the age where his peers were doing all of

1751
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:23,640
the things that he was witnessing on porn sites or whatever.

1752
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,000
Whatever memories he had of that.

1753
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:30,360
Elliot distinctly remembers one boy who had actually audio recorded him and his girlfriend

1754
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:31,760
engaged in sexual activity.

1755
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:32,760
Oh that's fucking gross.

1756
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:33,760
I'd be like get that the fuck away from me.

1757
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:34,760
It's already gross.

1758
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,760
I don't need to be Elliot Roger to know that's fucking gross.

1759
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,760
I agree with him on that one.

1760
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:41,760
Ew.

1761
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:42,760
I don't need to hear that thank you idiot.

1762
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,760
To be playing that to like people at school that's so gross.

1763
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:46,760
Oh my god.

1764
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,000
Lord help me if I ever have boys.

1765
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,840
That's fucking gross.

1766
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,440
High schoolers are fucking mean.

1767
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:52,440
That boy's got feminine hits.

1768
01:13:52,440 --> 01:13:56,960
So that's the thing I'm sensitive about.

1769
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:01,800
Elliot would be even more disturbed when he was told that he would not be returning to

1770
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,960
the all boys school the following year.

1771
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,440
So he only went for one year and his parents were like you're going to public school.

1772
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:10,440
Wouldn't he be like woohoo I'm going to get away from these guys.

1773
01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:12,960
But he doesn't want to be around girls though.

1774
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,840
Not only that but he's going to go to public school.

1775
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,720
So up until this point he'd essentially go into private schools.

1776
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:18,720
Yeah.

1777
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:19,720
Yeah.

1778
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,400
Well if anyone can't tell by now I'm definitely a silver lining.

1779
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:23,400
Kind of gal.

1780
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,280
You're like in the fucking rain clouds.

1781
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:27,920
And I'm like what about this.

1782
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,120
He's a Debbie Downer for sure.

1783
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,520
Nobody would want to hang out with him.

1784
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,080
So yes he was to attend public school and he was also attending public school and maybe

1785
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,800
like to him not the most affluent area.

1786
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,840
So this really this just upset him.

1787
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,160
And he deserves the world because he has a pool in his backyard.

1788
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,800
This was almost a punishment though because in the private school his grades weren't all

1789
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:48,800
that great.

1790
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,200
So they were like you're going to go to public school.

1791
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,120
Like if you can't keep up your grades.

1792
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,000
You're paying all this tuition for you to just fail.

1793
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,000
Yeah I was just saying it's expensive.

1794
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,680
Yeah absolutely.

1795
01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:01,200
So again because he wasn't doing so well in his courses he actually had to attend summer

1796
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,200
school so it was like immediately.

1797
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,040
Like you aren't going to this private school anymore.

1798
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,000
You're immediately going to be thrusted into public school no summer vacation.

1799
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,000
Damn.

1800
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:12,000
Yeah.

1801
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,000
That's got to be rough.

1802
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,000
I can't.

1803
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,000
I don't like that.

1804
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:19,480
Of course Elliot was bullied right away as soon as the regular semester were to start.

1805
01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:24,720
He still dressed preppy from private school and he was immediately shoved into lockers

1806
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:25,720
called a loser.

1807
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:26,720
God.

1808
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,680
This was just the first week of the fall semester by the way.

1809
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,800
I feel like this is a little exaggeratory on his part.

1810
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:34,480
Well again.

1811
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:38,840
All of the hot girls were dating jock assholes and the attention Elliot was getting wasn't

1812
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,480
from them but from their boyfriends because he just had a target on his back.

1813
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:43,960
Yeah of course not.

1814
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:48,720
Quote it's like their evil acts are rewarded by women while the good decent men are laughed

1815
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:49,720
at.

1816
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:50,720
End quote.

1817
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:51,720
I can't fucking.

1818
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:55,720
Why do guys girls always pick mean guys.

1819
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:57,720
Why do you finish last.

1820
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:58,720
I hate that.

1821
01:15:58,720 --> 01:15:59,720
I hate that.

1822
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,320
My boyfriend's very fucking nice.

1823
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:02,320
Okay.

1824
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,720
He's kind of a jock but he's very fucking nice.

1825
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:05,720
He's kind of a jock.

1826
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:06,720
He doesn't play baseball.

1827
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:07,720
I love him.

1828
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:08,720
Okay he's a nice guy.

1829
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:09,720
He treats me well.

1830
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,720
He doesn't pout when things don't go his way.

1831
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:13,720
Yes.

1832
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:14,720
I mean no one should.

1833
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,880
I feel like no adult should pout when things don't go their way but he's also a child.

1834
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:18,880
He is a child technically.

1835
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,080
He's 15, 16 at this point I think.

1836
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,080
But he's an adult writing about this.

1837
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:24,080
Yeah.

1838
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:28,600
When it was Elliot's turn to stay with Li Chen the following week he cried to his mother

1839
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:33,400
and begged her not to take him back to public school and instead of dropping him off that

1840
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,320
day she decided to take him to a cafe instead so they could talk.

1841
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:37,320
Oh that's nice of her.

1842
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,360
I know Li Chen's so sweet.

1843
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:45,240
She listened to Elliot about all of his concerns that he was experiencing at the school and

1844
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:49,160
when Li Chen brought this up to Peter they both agreed to switch schools but again he's

1845
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:50,160
switching schools again.

1846
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:51,160
Okay.

1847
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,160
Yeah still a new, there's no consistency.

1848
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,000
Yeah there's no permanency.

1849
01:16:55,000 --> 01:17:00,960
No permanency, no routine, new school, new house, new family, new stepmom, new baby, new

1850
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:02,640
city, new state, whatever.

1851
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:03,640
Yeah.

1852
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:04,640
His whole life.

1853
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,920
Also since the last time I mentioned that the parents have moved I didn't put every single

1854
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,360
fucking time that they moved in here but they've already at this point probably moved

1855
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,240
three or four more times and I didn't even say it.

1856
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:15,840
It's just constant, constant.

1857
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,600
I couldn't even do that as an adult.

1858
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,560
How are the adults doing this willingly?

1859
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,240
It definitely seemed like every year they were, each of them were moving.

1860
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:24,240
God that's kind of new.

1861
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:25,240
I don't know why.

1862
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,280
I don't know how they could afford that.

1863
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:32,640
So Elliot would enroll in continuation school which is almost like homeschooling but it's

1864
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:39,200
what it's here it's called ACE Academy but in other places essentially semi homeschooling

1865
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:45,120
because you're only on campus for like three hours but it's in lieu of getting a GED you

1866
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,320
can still get a high school equivalent or a diploma.

1867
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:48,320
Yes.

1868
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,880
What does it call the alternative continuing education or something like that?

1869
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:52,880
I think you're right.

1870
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,880
I think it's alternative continuing education.

1871
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:57,880
I don't know.

1872
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,240
But yeah, here we call it ACE.

1873
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:05,200
So this gave Elliot plenty of time to play more video games at home.

1874
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,280
Sometimes up to 14 hours a day.

1875
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,280
Eww ew.

1876
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,280
I was doing the wow.

1877
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:12,280
The wow.

1878
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:13,280
The W.

1879
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:14,280
I thought you were doing ooloo.

1880
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,280
I just said ooloo with the fingers.

1881
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:18,280
God I can't.

1882
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:19,280
I can't.

1883
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:20,280
I love you all.

1884
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:21,480
I won't always ooloo for you.

1885
01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:22,880
I one time sent that to Dana.

1886
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,640
I said like can we go get white claws or something like that.

1887
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,960
I did that like emoji and I immediately responded.

1888
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,280
I was like you know please ignore that.

1889
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:31,280
Please disregard the architecture.

1890
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:33,280
I just cringed myself out so hard.

1891
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:37,280
I did it with like the happy tear face.

1892
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:38,280
Yeah.

1893
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:39,280
Yeah.

1894
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:40,280
Oh my god I can't do it.

1895
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:41,280
Eww.

1896
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:42,280
So gross.

1897
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:43,280
So gross.

1898
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:48,240
So when Elliot was 15 or 16 years old he actually saved his little brother Jazz from drowning

1899
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,280
in a pool at a pool party.

1900
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:51,280
What?

1901
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,600
He and one other child were the only eyewitnesses to this.

1902
01:18:54,600 --> 01:19:00,400
He said that the adults essentially had turned their backs and Jazz was only his brother.

1903
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:04,400
He was like three or four maybe I guess at this point right?

1904
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:08,680
Because I think Jazz was born well maybe four or five.

1905
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:12,400
He was little but he did not know how to swim and he fell into the pool.

1906
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:18,200
Elliot says about this incident quote, every single second of my brother's life everything

1907
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:22,280
that happens to him in the future will exist because I pulled him out of that water that

1908
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,720
day end quote.

1909
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:26,320
I fucking hate this guy.

1910
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:27,760
So fucking narcissistic.

1911
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:28,760
So narcissistic.

1912
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:29,760
He lived.

1913
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:34,200
So my, it's my doing that you're even here on this earth.

1914
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,040
Imagine how many times he's used that in an argument with his brother.

1915
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,720
Well you wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for me.

1916
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:47,040
Well his brother wouldn't be old enough to argue with him by the time Elliot does what

1917
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:48,040
he does.

1918
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:53,360
Okay well imagine how many times he used that in general or like with his parents.

1919
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,360
You wouldn't even have that son.

1920
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:57,360
Eww.

1921
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:58,360
Eww.

1922
01:19:58,360 --> 01:19:59,920
It's like scar.

1923
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:02,080
I don't know why that reminded me of scar.

1924
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:03,080
Scar and Mufasa.

1925
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:06,360
A monkey's uncle.

1926
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:11,320
Elliot was becoming increasingly discouraged about finding a partner the older he got.

1927
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:15,560
He would witness people younger than him, freshmen and sophomores in relationships but

1928
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:16,840
yet he didn't have one.

1929
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,320
Bro there's like 45 year old people that are still single and waiting for their soulmate.

1930
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:21,320
Calm down.

1931
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:22,320
You're like 17.

1932
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,320
Well you gotta call me out like that.

1933
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:25,800
You're not 45.

1934
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:26,800
I will be.

1935
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,520
I will be one day and I will be single damn it.

1936
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:32,240
Have you seen that really quick?

1937
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:33,720
Sean Patton is a comedian.

1938
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:34,720
Have you heard of his name?

1939
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:35,720
He does like his whole bit.

1940
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:36,720
It's really fucking funny.

1941
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,920
It's on Q-Men and he calls it Cummin and it's fucking funny.

1942
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,760
But anyway he lived with this roommate and like him and his buddies came over.

1943
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:43,760
He was living with a roommate.

1944
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,920
It was like an acquaintance of his that they grew up together but they weren't friends.

1945
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,800
And he had invited some people over and the roommate would get so mad when he would say

1946
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,360
Cummin instead of Cummin but he didn't know why so he kept fucking with him and he's like

1947
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:54,520
hey boys.

1948
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,280
His friends would come over to see the new place and say welcome to the new digs.

1949
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,800
Can I offer you some Ritz crackers and Cummin?

1950
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,120
He says it really loud.

1951
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,360
His roommate comes out and is really upset and he's crying.

1952
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,040
And the roommate's like oh my god fuck you.

1953
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:09,040
Shut the fuck up.

1954
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:10,880
He's like I fucking hope you all die someday.

1955
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,680
Sean Patton's like well we will.

1956
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,680
He's like nice one.

1957
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:15,680
Nice one man.

1958
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:19,040
Watch that stand up if you haven't seen it.

1959
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:23,320
Reminded me of I know we talked about Vanderpump rules recently and how we've been obsessed

1960
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:29,280
with that but that line that will forever be synonymous with Scandival.

1961
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:35,200
Ariana, Tom's walking into the kitchen and he goes what does he say?

1962
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:36,200
Do you want anything?

1963
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,200
And she goes for you to die.

1964
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,200
And he goes well it's inevitable.

1965
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:41,200
Oh my god that's hilarious.

1966
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:42,800
Oh my god like she's so pissed.

1967
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:43,800
For you to die.

1968
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:44,800
For you to die.

1969
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:48,600
I also just remembered or I realized just now that that was me like talking way too fucking

1970
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,000
fast for anyone else over there.

1971
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,000
Oh it's fine.

1972
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,600
I told you about Kimmy and Frankie having that conversation.

1973
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,200
I was like it's just sister speed.

1974
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:58,240
Just so used to your sister.

1975
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:01,040
You just talk like super duper fast.

1976
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:04,640
When you sit here for long enough you forget that you can hear your own voice in your headphones

1977
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:06,400
so you just think you're having a normal conversation.

1978
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:12,360
You forget that you're actually on the podcast so just talk normally instead of annunciate.

1979
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:17,040
At one family friend's event Elliot watched as a 12 year old boy made out with a girl

1980
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,920
Elliot's age.

1981
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,920
So again this is another reason why he was livid.

1982
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,760
What does he have that I don't?

1983
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,600
Exactly he's 12 and he's making out with a girl.

1984
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,080
He hasn't even had his first kiss.

1985
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:30,080
I wonder why?

1986
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,120
Because you're fucking pouty McPouter sent over there.

1987
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,480
Elliot began to fantasize about having a girlfriend.

1988
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:39,920
She was tall, blonde with a rock and bod.

1989
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,800
I said that he didn't say that I said that.

1990
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,360
This is a little rock and bod.

1991
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:47,320
Well because he goes into more detail but I'm not going to talk about essentially somebody

1992
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:48,960
who would be 16 years old like that.

1993
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,080
So does it rock and bod?

1994
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:52,840
I don't know she might be like Pamela Anderson though.

1995
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:54,040
She could be like in her 30s or 40s.

1996
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:58,040
He does have a mommy complex after all apparently.

1997
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:03,120
He held on to this thought in case it ever came up in conversations with others.

1998
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:04,960
Like yeah I totally have a girlfriend.

1999
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:05,960
She doesn't go to this school though.

2000
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:06,960
She goes to another school.

2001
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:07,960
You wouldn't know her.

2002
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:08,960
She's from Canada.

2003
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:09,960
She's from Canada.

2004
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:10,960
You don't know her.

2005
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:11,960
Exactly.

2006
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:12,960
What's your name?

2007
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:13,960
Microphone stand.

2008
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:17,720
You wouldn't know her.

2009
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:21,840
His parents would often ask if there was a love interest in Elliot's life and Elliot

2010
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,360
tried to convince his parents that he was just too busy with school or video games to

2011
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,600
even care about girls.

2012
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,200
Again making it his idea.

2013
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:30,720
Oh I'm just too busy.

2014
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,400
Oh I'm far too busy for that mother.

2015
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,560
I just cannot even fathom the thought.

2016
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,920
It is like a different life though because here he's telling his parents, I don't even

2017
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:43,240
care about girls but he's fantasizing about, he essentially made up a girlfriend in his

2018
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,960
head in case anybody were to ask him if he had a girlfriend.

2019
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:47,960
Like anybody was trying to impress essentially.

2020
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:48,960
Yeah exactly.

2021
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:50,960
Oh my gosh that's so weird.

2022
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,760
No I'm sorry I don't want to say weird because-

2023
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:53,760
It's weird.

2024
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:54,760
It's weird.

2025
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:55,760
It's funny.

2026
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:56,760
It's funny.

2027
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:57,760
It's funny.

2028
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:58,760
It's funny.

2029
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:03,120
Elliot says quote, one day I found some posts on the internet about teenagers having sex

2030
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,440
and I was once again reminded of the life that I had been denied.

2031
01:24:06,440 --> 01:24:10,440
I felt that no girl would ever want to have sex with me and I developed extreme feelings

2032
01:24:10,440 --> 01:24:14,760
of envy, hatred and anger towards anyone who had a sex life.

2033
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,800
I saw them as the enemy.

2034
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:21,600
I felt condemned to live a life of lone celibacy while other boys were allowed to experience

2035
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:25,520
the sexual- the pleasures of sex.

2036
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,480
All because girls didn't want me.

2037
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:30,320
I felt inferior and undesirable.

2038
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:35,520
This time however I couldn't just stand by and accept such an injustice anymore.

2039
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,960
I refused to continue hiding away from the world and forgetting about all the insults

2040
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:41,280
it dealt to me.

2041
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:45,560
I began to have fantasies of becoming very powerful and stopping everyone from having

2042
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:46,840
sex.

2043
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:51,680
I wanted to take their sex away from them just like they took it away from me.

2044
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:57,080
I saw sex as an evil and barbaric act, all because I was unable to have it.

2045
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:58,840
This was a major turning point.

2046
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,440
My anger made me stronger inside.

2047
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:04,960
This is when I formed my ideas that sex should be outlawed.

2048
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,360
It is the only way to make the world a fair and just place.

2049
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:10,840
If I can't have it, I will destroy it.

2050
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,880
That's the conclusion that I came to, right then and there.

2051
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,880
I spent more time studying the world.

2052
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,920
Seeing the world for the horrible, unfair place it is.

2053
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:24,600
I then had the revelation that just because I was condemned to suffer a life of loneliness

2054
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:28,600
and rejection doesn't mean that I am insignificant.

2055
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,920
I have an exceptionally high level of intelligence.

2056
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,480
I see the world differently than anyone else.

2057
01:25:35,480 --> 01:25:39,560
Because of all the injustices I went through and the world view I developed because of

2058
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,520
them, I must be destined for greatness.

2059
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:48,160
I must be destined to change the world, to shape it into an image that suits me."

2060
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:51,160
How are you feeling over there?

2061
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:55,280
There's about 8,751 things wrong with what he just said.

2062
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,200
Isn't that a rent song?

2063
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:58,200
What?

2064
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,480
700s and I'm in it.

2065
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:04,520
I just made up a very random number I have no idea.

2066
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,000
I would be very surprised.

2067
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,000
Not hilarious.

2068
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,000
Yeah.

2069
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:10,000
Yeah.

2070
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:14,360
Okay, first of all, he's acting like he's in prison and he doesn't have any free will

2071
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,080
or any say in anything that he does.

2072
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:21,000
Who the fuck is this wee shit that you keep talking about or these people that made you

2073
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,000
this life?

2074
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,000
They made me this way.

2075
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,240
No one fucking did anything to you.

2076
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:25,280
They made me this way.

2077
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:26,440
And also, fuck you.

2078
01:26:26,440 --> 01:26:27,440
I'm better than everyone.

2079
01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:30,960
Like literally he's saying I'm better than everyone and if I can't have it, nobody can.

2080
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:31,960
Exactly.

2081
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:32,960
What a pussy motherfucker.

2082
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:33,960
Oh my god, I hate this.

2083
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:34,960
Outlaw sucks.

2084
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:35,960
Just outlaw it.

2085
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:36,960
Because I can't have it.

2086
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:38,960
So that means no one's allowed to have it.

2087
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,280
Just because I couldn't have any cake at my birthday, no one else is allowed to have it.

2088
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,960
Like literally it's just four year old fucking mindset.

2089
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,120
Oh my god.

2090
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:48,600
Did you just like laugh through your teeth?

2091
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,960
Because it sounded like someone was behind me going shh.

2092
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,520
I just scared the fucking shit out of me.

2093
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:54,640
I did, I just laughed.

2094
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:56,320
I have to look back and listen to that.

2095
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:00,720
Okay, it's been like maybe a minute or two of us trying to figure this out.

2096
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:05,000
I'm already saying yeah before that even finishes, before that noise finishes.

2097
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,400
I really hope that comes through on the actual podcast.

2098
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:10,000
Yeah, sometimes we hear things on the mic that you can't hear.

2099
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:11,000
And then you play it.

2100
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:15,240
If you need to go back, rewind it and turn it up because right when I'm saying it.

2101
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:16,240
It sounds like shh.

2102
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:18,040
It sounds like, and then I got a cold chill.

2103
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:19,440
I'm not even fucking joking.

2104
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:22,720
When we turned off the recording, I got like a weird fucking cold chill.

2105
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,800
I was like, I remember laughing but I laughed right before that and so that's what I thought

2106
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:27,480
you were thinking about.

2107
01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:28,480
I don't know.

2108
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:30,560
I didn't fucking care for that shit at all.

2109
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,000
Weird is that I didn't hear it when that happened.

2110
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:36,080
Like when it first happened but then listening back I was like that's exactly the way you

2111
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:38,600
described it but I didn't hear it the first time.

2112
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:40,000
That's so weird.

2113
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,800
I was thinking because our niece is over here too right now, I was thinking she like snuck

2114
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:44,800
into the room.

2115
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:45,800
Yeah.

2116
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,200
Because when I leaned out of the closet to look, I didn't see anybody but there's also

2117
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:52,080
a wall like next to the bed and so I got out of the closet to like look around the

2118
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,160
wall and no one's in the room.

2119
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,240
Dude, that's fucking freaky.

2120
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:57,400
That was weird.

2121
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:00,480
I guess I'll just shut the fuck up because it kind of sounds like someone wants me to

2122
01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:01,480
be quiet.

2123
01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:02,480
It's like shh.

2124
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:03,480
Yeah.

2125
01:28:03,480 --> 01:28:06,680
I'm gonna say that and that's also a little freaky as well because that's where we're

2126
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:07,680
gonna end today.

2127
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:08,680
Oh man.

2128
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:09,680
Okay.

2129
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:11,040
This is gonna be the quote.

2130
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:16,160
This is gonna be like you know, Elliot Roger just saying like I've had enough of this

2131
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:21,880
bullshit kind of stuff and we will re-adjure next Thursday.

2132
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:23,520
Damn, that's wild.

2133
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:28,360
So I think maybe we should just wait perhaps so the end of episode two to kind of discuss

2134
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,240
maybe some sort of mental disorder or any kind of childhood.

2135
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:36,520
I mean we've already heard a lot of neglect, a lot of you know, almost nature like immediate

2136
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,440
narcissism at birth like you know kind of making his father.

2137
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:43,800
And of course this is all through Elliot's perspective at this point but there will be

2138
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:49,120
in chapter two there will be more in-depth look as to again like you said what he might

2139
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:53,800
have been experiencing from other people looking in because again this is all his perspective,

2140
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:55,240
his words so far.

2141
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:56,240
So.

2142
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:57,240
Damn.

2143
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,960
Okay well I guess for now we're just gonna shh.

2144
01:28:59,960 --> 01:29:01,560
And we will see you guys next week.

2145
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:02,560
Alright.

2146
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:03,560
Love you.

2147
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:04,560
Bye.

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