1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,100 Hello. Hello. Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer, The Mental Breakdown. 2 00:00:05,100 --> 00:00:34,960 I'm Koelle. I'm Kenna. How's it going? It's been a day. How's the work going? 3 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:41,480 It's going well. I think I'm just psychologically still getting into the routine of things, 4 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:47,280 like not sleeping for fucking 13 hours like I'm used to. So I'm getting a little bit of 5 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,700 anxiety simply because of my sleep schedule being adjusted. But as far as the duties at 6 00:00:52,700 --> 00:00:56,860 work and everything I'm doing, it's been a lot of fun and I've learned a lot. And the 7 00:00:56,860 --> 00:01:00,060 kiddos that I work with are just awesome. So it's really exciting. 8 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:03,820 We had a good weekend though. I think we got to see each other Saturday and Sunday. Me 9 00:01:03,820 --> 00:01:09,280 and you? Yeah. Well, maybe not Sunday, but Saturday. Yeah, that's true. We went out for 10 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,200 a little bit. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah. Then this weekend going at its down. I feel like 11 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:20,140 I say that all the time. Well, we saw it down. Well, we went down to the coast probably three 12 00:01:20,140 --> 00:01:23,760 or four weeks ago with Alex and Dana and it poured the whole time we were down there. 13 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,080 Me and Dana were down there for five days and it rained every single day about one. That 14 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,880 would depress the fuck out of me. I know. And so the guys came down and met us and we 15 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,000 tried to go fishing and stuff, but it was cold and it was raining and we were so frustrated. 16 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,120 And so I said, you know what? We all have Memorial Day off. Let's go back down to the 17 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,880 coast for a few days and it's supposed to be nice weather. So fingers crossed. Isn't 18 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,760 it better fishing when it's cold because the fish come more to the surface, right? To get 19 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,880 warm? No, not necessarily. And I mean, they kind of like hide when it's not that warm 20 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:56,840 outside. Like they'll burrow. It just depends. Like it's really just a weird, it's better 21 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,840 to be cool, not cold. Oh, I see. Yeah. So and rain, like forget about it. It's too much 22 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,400 noise. They're probably scared. Yeah, that makes sense. But yeah, so hopefully this 23 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:15,360 will be a good second try at the vacation. Yeah. What about you? You know, just sleeping 24 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:21,240 a lot and I'm almost done with my puzzle. I started Schitt's Creek and I'm obsessed 25 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:27,920 with it right now. And I didn't realize that it was so old that the last season was in 26 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:34,840 2020. But I am a dead show person. Like I won't, I won't enjoy a show until it's already 27 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:40,440 been canceled or taken off the air and all the, everybody becomes hush hush about it. 28 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:45,520 And then I'll enjoy it. So I was just, you know, I was in my feels the other day. So 29 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,800 I was like, I want to watch a comedy. And I put it on and I'm obsessed with Daniel Levy. 30 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:58,400 He's so hot. He's hot. Oh my gosh. So no spoilers for anybody, but I want him and Stevie to work 31 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,760 out. I don't know more than the first like couple, probably like the first six or seven 32 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,960 episodes I watched. But I liked it. It's not that I didn't. But I agree with you on the 33 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:12,120 dead show thing. Like I have a hard time watching a show if I have to wait every week for it, 34 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,360 unless it's a reality show. Like I watched a farmer wants a wife and I just finished 35 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,160 it. Farmer wants a wife. Yeah, farmer wants a wife just aired. There was a UK version and 36 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:25,280 now there was an hour version. So that's where we copied you. But our series just ended. 37 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,440 I think they ended like last Wednesday and I just watched it like yesterday. And then 38 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:35,880 American Idol finale came out last Sunday and I just watched it today. So and survivor, 39 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,480 survivor I actually caught up on today as well. So I tried to watch survivor the other 40 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:44,400 day and I fell asleep in the first episode. So man. And I'm like, I'm also into like next 41 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,760 level chef. That's over for the year as well. But those are like the reality shows that 42 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,760 I watch weekly. And then you know, Grey's Anatomy, even though I don't want it to keep 43 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,320 going like it needs to end. But I'm just like, I'm a I can't not watch it. I've watched 44 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:02,040 20 fucking seasons of it. 2019. Didn't they tease that Ellen pump? How do you say your 45 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:08,080 last name Pompeo Pompeo that she's going to come back for an episode finale. So she left 46 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,800 earlier this season. Spoiler alerts event. Okay, let me just say this before I keep going. 47 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,760 Spoiler alerts if anyone is caught up on grace. She left earlier in the season. And it was 48 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,520 like her big departure from the show. She came back for the finale. Oh, the finale aired 49 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,640 like last week. So she didn't really leave. She didn't really leave, but she's not going 50 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:30,760 to be in the next season. So they got they got approved for season 20. That is too much 51 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:37,160 TV. It's too much. That's too much TV. I always stop read round season 14. Yeah, I don't 52 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,000 like Amelia and I know you like Amelia. I love Amelia. But I also watch private practice 53 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,640 and you get to know a lot more about Amelia and Addison and private private practice. 54 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:51,400 I love Kate Walsh. Yeah, I love her too. You have to watch Umbrella Academy. She's amazing. 55 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:56,440 She's so funny as the handler. So Kate Walsh, Katerina Scorsone. If you're listening, that's 56 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:01,040 Amelia. We love you. We love you guys. And Jeff Prost, I've applied to for Survivor twice 57 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:06,360 now. So freaking love you. I'm just of course, like everybody else, I'm all about the Scandable 58 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:11,360 right now. The Vanderpump Rules thing tie for Movication is kind of dabbling in this 59 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,320 potential reality TV show podcast, which I'm really excited about. I listened to a little 60 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:21,760 bit of it. And that and RuPaul's Drag Race. Those are the only things that I watch like 61 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:26,600 religiously. I have to watch every single episode, like the moment it comes out. Yeah, 62 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,360 even if I'm at the bar, I'll pull out my phone and I will watch Vanderpump Rules. That sounds 63 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,600 like me. Honestly, though, like, I spend a lot of time, you know, of course with Casey, 64 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,320 a lot of my downtime and he is like, no, we're not fucking watching that. Like, no, but you 65 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,560 know what I mean? Like, if I don't want to watch a show that he's into, he doesn't want 66 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,000 to watch a show that I'm into, right? So I kind of wait until there's like a night like 67 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,000 he's in Austin right now. So I was like, okay, let me catch up catch up on my show. 68 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,200 So please, I'm out of town. When it comes back, it'll be caught up and I won't have 69 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,200 to worry about it. 70 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:59,720 My former brother in law, I mean, I still call my brother in law, but even though I'm 71 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,880 divorced, but my brother in law, we used to sit around in the game room and I would watch 72 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:10,440 Bad Girls Club while the guys would play video games. Oh my gosh. And he would always say, 73 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,320 he'd be like, I don't understand why you watch that crap. It's just crap. And Justin, you 74 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,920 say that all the time, you know, like, it's just crap. You just watch crap. And then 20 75 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,160 minutes later, he'll be like, what did Britney say to her? You know, no, exactly. And I caught 76 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,760 Casey doing that too. Like, he'll see me like, let's Dexter, I rewatch Dexter every 77 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:28,760 like year or so. 78 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,920 Right. So he's seen it kind of here and there. But like, he'll catch me on like season two, 79 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,520 episode five, and then he'll somehow be in the room with me again, like season four, 80 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,840 episode three is like, wait, I thought that guy died. I'm like, no, that wasn't fake death. 81 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:44,240 Like he didn't actually say or whatever. Like he'll remember things from earlier. And he's 82 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,400 like, I can't keep up with this. It's too long. Well, you didn't watch the whole thing. 83 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:48,400 Love it. 84 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,480 So that is our two cents on movies and TV shows, I guess. Yeah. We're not even movies, 85 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:53,480 just TV shows. 86 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,600 Thanks for listening to our rant. I know mom and dad are watching Jeopardy Masters right 87 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,000 now and I'm bummed because they're gonna wait for us. 88 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,000 They are watching last Wednesday. 89 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,760 They're catching up. Yeah, 13 and 14. Cause they were in town, you're right. Yeah. So 90 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,640 they didn't get to see it, which is great. Cause I think tonight's the finale. 91 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,320 I think it's the finals. 92 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:16,400 I want Andrew he to win. No, James is definitely winning for sure. I loved Amy. I loved Amy. 93 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,880 I love Amy so much. It really bums me out that she's not a part of the end. But yeah, 94 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,240 love Andrew. I know you want James to win. James is gonna win. I don't even want him 95 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,880 to win. I know he's gonna win. He's too good. All the chips, please. If you all like Jeopardy 96 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,560 as much as us, message us and let us know. Obsessed with Jeopardy. Also speaking of 97 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,440 messaging us and letting us know things, our listener that suggested the previous case 98 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:43,840 that we did, Anders Breivik, her name is, I would say, I would pronounce it Lena, but 99 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,320 I know she's originally from Norway. So I think it might be Lena or Liena. Not exactly 100 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,160 sure how to pronounce it, but she did give you permission to use her name and we did 101 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,760 not mention it earlier in the podcast. So thanks again for that suggestion. She said 102 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,000 that my pronunciation's over on point. They were. 103 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,760 So I was really flattered about that. What was, uh, Vanka? 104 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:07,760 Venka. Venka. Yes. Venka and Jens. Yes. And Jens. Yep. Oh, sorry for that. So thank 105 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,240 you for that. That case went really well. Hilary said she liked it as well. And she 106 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,080 also said that there's a Netflix documentary about it too. Oh really? 107 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,880 I didn't know. And she said it's called July 22nd. So. 108 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:22,040 There's a new Netflix, I don't know if it was Netflix or if it was Hulu or if it was 109 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:27,480 Paramount or if it was whatever, or Peacock, but it's called Waco the Afterbath. 110 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,360 Yeah. Saw that. Oh my gosh. I want to see that because it goes. 111 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:35,000 I didn't watch it. I mean I saw that preview for it. Yeah, the preview and it's all, um, 112 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,160 scripted. Yeah. It's not like a documentary, but I thought that was really interesting 113 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,840 because the guy that plays Timothy McAfee, it looks like Timothy McAfee. Yeah. Yikes. 114 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,800 Well yeah, I don't have anything else. I just wanted to talk about my day for a little 115 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,600 bit, kind of decompress because I wasn't feeling too hot when we walked in here and 116 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,640 now I feel better. Okay, good. Mentally, not physically. 117 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:59,960 So I chose to do this topic and I feel like it's a topic we've talked about so many times 118 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:04,520 that I actually had to go back into our previous mental breakdown episodes to make sure we 119 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,680 didn't already cover it. Ooh, okay. So today we are going to be talking about temporary 120 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:15,520 insanity. Oh, okay. Timber. Yeah. Or the insanity plea. Right? So yes. Yes. It's a little bit 121 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,080 of both. I've been wanting to do an episode on this, like a deep dive. So thanks. Yeah. 122 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,400 Well, I'm not going to be too deep, but... Well, it's a dive nonetheless. Yeah, it's true. 123 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,920 10 meters, maybe. So we're going to start with the insanity 124 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:32,640 defense, which is also known as mental disorder defense. Non-composmentis or not of sound 125 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:38,840 mind in Latin. It actually originated in Greece and Roman times, Greek Roman times. 126 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:44,240 Dang that far. Yeah. But it was usually for people who had mental disorders. I mean, it 127 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:49,120 wasn't like crimes of passion like we know today. It was just anybody that had a mental 128 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:54,080 disorder regardless of who it was. Yeah. It could also be applied to intoxication or 129 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,280 just being in a confused state in general. That makes sense. Like sleeping, essentially. 130 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:03,680 You know? You're sleeping, you're insane. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you commit a crime 131 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:07,080 during sleep. Oh, I see what you're saying. Because we've heard of sleepwalking cases. 132 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:12,960 Yes. That's what I'm saying. So there is actually no law around that time that was differentiating 133 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:19,080 between insanity mental disorders, insanity slash mental disorders and criminal acts. 134 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:25,000 So it wasn't up until 1724, which the first recorded ever insanity trial ever began. 1724, 135 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:32,040 that's wild. That's before we were even around. Right. Like a country, not us. Obviously us 136 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,360 and everyone listening to this podcast. But. Oh my gosh. You remember when we became a vampire 137 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,920 like right after that. I know. We were friends with George Washington. It was cool. Oh, Georgie. 138 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:47,600 I don't even think he was born. Maybe he would have just been born that time. So before this, 139 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:52,600 many suspected criminals would actually be subjected to something called trial by ordeal 140 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:59,400 or essentially torture. Oh, you know, like the Holy Grail when they're like, she's a 141 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:04,600 witch, Ben, or like, you know, see if she floats like a duck, things like that. Great. 142 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,760 That's essentially how our criminal system worked. Love that. I just wanted to look at 143 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,800 that really quick. Sorry, I grabbed my phone under your notice. George Washington was born 144 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,160 in 1731. So it was before he was born. Okay. So before George Washington. Yeah. He would 145 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:20,800 be baby George. Just a pepper in his beard. Just a little baby. Before you were a twinkle 146 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:29,800 in your father's eye. Oh my gosh. So this again, trial by ordeal came from Great Britain. 147 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:35,720 Because this is, you know, this is essentially how the court systems would come to be. Yeah. 148 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:40,920 So after the introduction of the jury trial system, jurors could actually find defendants 149 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:47,840 guilty by insanity, but the defendant would go free. So you are not guilty by reason of 150 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:53,440 insanity. So go on about your day. So just to be clear, guilty by insanity then meant, 151 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:58,440 yes, you're guilty of this crime, but because you're insane, you don't serve any time. 152 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,680 That's so wild. It's like, yeah, you did it. And we have proof that you did it. Go go. 153 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:09,400 Yeah. Go on about your day. To the loo. So of course now it's called not guilty by reason 154 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:16,080 of insanity, but that's because there's been several acts that have been, I guess, passed. 155 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,480 And nowadays it's not like, oh, not guilty by reason of insanity. To the loo. It's like, 156 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,240 not guilty by reason of insanity. It's like, hang out a little bit. 157 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:30,160 Presented still. Oh, God, it's terrible. So this quickly became a problem of sorts, right? 158 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:36,160 So the Criminal Lunatics Act of 1800 would come to pass in Great Britain. Such an old 159 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:43,880 fashion sentence. I know Lunatics Act of 1800. At least it dates it. So it would come to 160 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:48,800 pass, excuse me, come to pass and defendants who would be found guilty of insanity would 161 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:56,240 be institutionalized indefinitely. Okay. But this also includes crimes that were committed, 162 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:03,400 that were like crimes of passion or temporary insanity. So even if you were like, I just 163 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:09,400 lost my shit and I was seeing red and I harmed someone or killed someone, you would still 164 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,440 be institutionalized for the rest of your life, even if you might not have a mental disorder. 165 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,480 Doesn't make sense. Yeah, but like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I know exactly 166 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:21,840 where you're getting that. Yeah. My problem with that is you still fucking did it. So 167 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,320 you would either be in jail for the rest of your life or a mental institution. Which one's 168 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:32,360 cushier? You want the I would probably take prison. Oh, really? Yeah. I'm gonna have like 169 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:42,320 the sticky socks. Just like creepy, creepy socks and creepy socks. It's just like that 170 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:47,400 tick tock. The things in my, what is it? The things in my psych ward that just makes sense. 171 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:54,080 Yeah, exactly. It's not funny. It's not funny. It's not. But tick tock stuff. Yes, tick 172 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:59,360 tock stuff. No, but do you think you'd rather be in prison than be? Yes. Why? Oh, at this 173 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:05,400 time? Okay. Yes, then not now. That's different. Yeah. Okay. Then it didn't matter. You were 174 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:11,800 with, you were with murderers and rapists and you know, people that pedophiles or you 175 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:18,520 know, it was all under a blanket of that. Of your mentally ill. Your mentally ill. I mean, 176 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,880 and essentially no treatment. I mean, what kind of treatment would you get? A lobotomy? 177 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,200 That's true. It's yeah. I mean, they called it a loony bin. Like the loony bin. No way 178 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,520 they have like neurotransmitters. What is it? They probably didn't even have grippy socks. 179 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:37,160 They didn't even have grippy socks. That's true. Dan Sickles was born in 1819 in New 180 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:42,840 York. He wanted to become a lawyer and he was accepted to the bar in 1946 and did become 181 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:51,720 a part of the New York Assembly in, I didn't find a year. It just continues to run on Senate, 182 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:58,480 sorry y'all. He would eventually become part of the New York Assembly. In 1852, at age 183 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:06,440 32, he married a young woman by the name of Teresa Baggiolli. And when I say a young woman, 184 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:13,000 I mean 16. And how old was he? 32. Yikes. Yikes on bikes. It's like double it and give it to 185 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,880 the next person but with his age. She says twice. 186 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:29,160 Shopping for your pet has never been easier. From crates and carriers to collars and leashes, 187 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:35,560 dog.com is your one stop shop for all of your dog's supply needs. 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It reminds me of a million, is it a million ways to die in the west? 196 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:24,760 Oh I'm not sure. Where they're making a joke about age and about how young people were when 197 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:30,360 they got married and I think it's uh, what's his name? Seth McFarlane. Makes a joke is like, oh she's 198 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:35,240 like already hit her peak. She's like 13. Oh yeah. They do the same thing in Family Guy. Speaking of 199 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,320 total side note, you know what I found out earlier? Mark Wahlberg, Marky Mark and Seth 200 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,000 McFarlane were both supposed to be on the flight that hit the first tower in 9-11. 201 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:49,480 Yeah. Oh my god. I found that out earlier. I was like, oh, could you imagine? Family Guy would 202 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,680 have ended after like two years of it being on. Yeah. Or it would have been taken over by. We 203 00:16:52,680 --> 00:17:01,000 wouldn't have gotten the Wahlbergers. Yeah. Marky Mark. I'm Marky Mark and y'all are the funky bunch. 204 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,880 Oh my god, have you not seen Fear yet? No, I haven't seen Fear. You have to watch Fear. Oh my 205 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:11,800 gosh, it's so good. When he starts pounding his chest I was like, ah. I found it on his streaming 206 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,000 service yesterday and I like sent Hilary a photo and she was like, yes. And I was like, oh I'm not 207 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,560 watching it. I just wanted to let you know that I can now access it. And Elizabeth Milano's character 208 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:24,520 in that movie was just like, ugh, it's just heartbreaking. I need to watch it. It'll happen 209 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:30,040 eventually. So Dan Sickles continued to become a successful politician, becoming a part of the 210 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,360 New York Senate, and eventually elected into Congress so the couple would move to Washington, 211 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:45,080 D.C. Please tell me when his old age he went by pop. Pop Sickles. Pop. I didn't see that. 212 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:51,560 I didn't see that at all. I didn't see that. Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce you to my 213 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:58,920 weasel? Not even introduce you to the show. Reintroduce. So many weasels. I had to. I hope he went by 214 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:08,680 pop when he was older. I hope he gets older. Sickles. Okay, sorry. It's been a day. So Pop Sickles 215 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:16,360 would often travel to England to meet various stibblemats, but he would not be traveling alone. 216 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:23,560 While Teresa stayed behind in Washington, D.C., pregnant with her first child, Dan was traveling 217 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:30,760 with a known sex worker and even introduced the woman to Queen Victoria. What the fuck? The Queen 218 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,320 Victoria. She's just like, hey, by the way, my casual sex worker. Well, apparently she went by 219 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:40,680 a different alias or something and he was like, oh, this is my colleague or something. But like, 220 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:45,880 who does that? Like, you know, come on, he knew what he was doing. He was like, I'm getting away 221 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:54,360 with this. Oh, yeah, it's gross. It's gross. So the affair did go on for some time. And once 222 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:59,800 returning from one of these trips, Dan would come home to find out that after a dinner party, 223 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:05,240 through an anonymous letter, that his wife Teresa had also been having an affair with a famous 224 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:11,800 writer's son. While she was pregnant? I don't know. Because this is ongoing. This is like, 225 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:17,880 for over the course of a few years throughout their marriage. This would, this person was Philip 226 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:24,360 Key, the second. Dan and Teresa argued for some time after this dinner party before Dan asked 227 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:30,040 Teresa for her wedding ring before storming out of the house. Dan would walk the streets in Lafayette 228 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:37,480 Square across the street from the White House. Here on the evening of February 27th, 1859, 229 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:43,000 which is always so hard to say, Dan would come across Philip Key, where Dan produced a pistol 230 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:48,360 walking up to him, shouting at Philip, quote, you villain, you defiled my bed, you must die, 231 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:55,400 end quote, and shot Philip to death in the street. You villain. You villain. It's, it's 1859. This 232 00:19:55,400 --> 00:20:00,040 is like the White House, the White House, the White House. Okay. And also, why is he mad? He's the 233 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:07,960 one that cheated first. She doesn't know that. But still, but still, the dick. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. 234 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:15,080 Philip's father was in fact, Francis Scott Key, the man who wrote the Star Spangled Banner. 235 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:24,360 No. Yeah. He killed his son. Wow. That's wild. Dan Sickles would walk a few blocks down to the 236 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:29,960 attorney general's office or house. His name was Jeremiah Black. And he immediately confessed to 237 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,360 the murder. He's like, Oh, that was me. That guy that's down the street down there. The villain. 238 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:42,760 The villain. Get him. Yeah. Poor guy, though. Yeah. Dan Sickles was immediately taken to jail. 239 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:49,320 But given the story of the affair and his recognition around the city, Dan was given special privileges. 240 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:54,280 He was able to keep his personal pistol on him and actually had so many people visiting him that 241 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:59,240 at one point they actually moved him from the jail to a private apartment so that he could just, 242 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:05,080 you know, like have time with friends and family. That sounds like Anders. Yeah. Three cells. Yeah. 243 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:11,640 Ew. Why would they? Okay. It's also 1859. That's true. It wasn't an apartment like an 1859. 244 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:18,280 Yeah. Jesus. I don't know. Probably a room. Sickles put together a defense team that claimed 245 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:24,120 that Dan wasn't insane, but he was temporarily insane, driven mad in the moment by his wife's 246 00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:29,320 affair. Okay. But it's not like he walked in on her like fukin' the dude. Like it's like he just 247 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,120 ran into on the street and was like, Oh, you're revealing. Oh, how am I just gonna kill you? 248 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:36,280 Like he had fun in time. He went down there to look for him. So it was clearly premeditated. 249 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,360 Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Definitely. I mean, at least that's what it seemed like. It seemed 250 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:44,600 like he was walking the streets looking for Philip Key. So it wasn't like he just happened to run 251 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,000 into him? I don't think so. I mean, he did storm out of the house, but I don't know if he stormed 252 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,120 out of the house with the intention of finding him or if he stormed out of the house and just so 253 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:57,880 happened to find him. He stormed out of the house with a weapon. With a weapon. So, well, I mean, 254 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:03,960 I guess he keeps it on on his persons at all time. Anyways. So at one point, the defense claimed that 255 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:10,520 Dan was actually a hero for quote, saving all the ladies of Washington from this rogue named Key. 256 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,480 That sounds like Anders as well. I'm a hero. He's a hero. I stopped a much worse thing from 257 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:21,480 happening. Yes, exactly. Because this guy was like I said, he's a fiend. He's a villain. Dan was actually 258 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:28,280 able to get Teresa to admit to graphic details written out about her time with Philip. And 259 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:33,480 although that this this was deemed an admissible in court, this graphic information was leaked to the 260 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,520 media. Yeah, because he knew they didn't have any fucking rules back then, whatever they print. 261 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:44,360 But also, that kind of shows like the hold he has on her and like the fact that he groomed her 262 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:48,760 when she was little because like when she was younger, because he's like he clearly has enough 263 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,360 manipulation to convince her. Just write it down. Yeah, to do that. And she's like, okay, like. 264 00:22:53,000 --> 00:23:00,040 And it's like a sign confession. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, this information swayed local opinions 265 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:05,240 on the case and the greater public was saturated by these conversations of the trial. It was 266 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:11,640 essentially their Scott Peterson, you know, or whatever, or, you know, name a famous, really 267 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:18,120 famous case. Yeah. Even President Buchanan had actually wrote Dan during the trial, 268 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:23,880 citing his unwavering support of Dan. The president. It was like, I'm so sorry you're going 269 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:29,720 through this. She's such a horror. I'm here for you. Remember, it reminds me of, wasn't it President 270 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:37,640 Bush that signed like a letter to like give mercy to Conle Faye Tucker? It was like him and like 271 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:43,080 a bunch of other leaders that like H or W. Probably, I don't know. I'm not gonna say H. 272 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:48,680 But either way, yeah, it's just it's just wild one like politicians fucking president. 273 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,720 Fuckin presidents like I got your bag. Yo, yeah, you got a big dick. 274 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:56,040 He guilty as fuck, but he got a big old dick. 275 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:05,800 Gosh, it's terrible. So bad. Oh gosh. Dan Sickles was ultimately acquitted of all charges after 276 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:12,280 only one hour of deliberation and would eventually publicly forgive Teresa for her indiscretions. 277 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,840 Because at this point, she had been villainized by the media. She's the villain now. Yeah. 278 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,160 Everyone's a villain. Everyone's the villain except for Dan. He's a hero. He murdered someone 279 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,360 and he's out of villain in the middle of the street in front of the White House. 280 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:33,480 God, what a dummy. And the fact that he publicly apologized to her. Yeah. 281 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,760 Yeah. Right? He probably. No, he forgave her. Oh, he forgave her. 282 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,360 That's what it means. Yeah, I was like, that's not right. He yeah, he publicly forgave her. 283 00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:45,960 Like, did I forgive you? I'm the bigger person. I forgive you. Yeah, I just fucking murdered a 284 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,920 man in cold blood. You rolled your eyes and blinked at the same time you did like one of those 285 00:24:50,920 --> 00:25:04,040 iguana eyes. Or chameleons, rather. Chameleons. So Dan decided to stay married to Teresa after 286 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:09,560 this trial, which apparently disgusted a lot of people. They were like, how could you be with 287 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:15,560 somebody like that? She cheated on you. I'd be like, bitch, run. Seriously. He's coming after you next. 288 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,720 Oh, apparently she died like eight years later because of like typhoid or something. 289 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,720 Mysterious circumstances. Probably. Probably poison her ass. 290 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:29,480 That's awful. Isn't that awful? Well, that's Dan Sickle, everybody. So that's just a little tidbit 291 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:36,360 there. But again, it was the first time that any trial had said those words temporary insanity. 292 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:42,600 So the insanity case had always, or the insanity plea had always been kind of around, but to say 293 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,000 temporary insanity. Yeah. Well, then a bunch of lawyers, of course, picked this up and it just 294 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:53,240 kind of became a thing. So again, attorneys have used this as grounds for acquittal or even a lesser 295 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:58,440 sentence, although according to one study, only 1% of cases are ever brought to trial 296 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:05,640 under temporary insanity. It makes sense because I feel like, in my personal opinion, I feel like 297 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,520 you would have to be declared mentally incompetent or have a very serious mental illness to be 298 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,320 considered temporarily insane, like a crime of passion, like we know now does not equal 299 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:20,680 temporarily temporary insanity unless there's like an underlying mental illness. Yeah, like, 300 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,480 yeah, right. Like someone that's neurotypical can snap, have a moment they kill someone because 301 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,720 it's crime passion. That's temporary insanity. It is. Oh, yeah, I would feel like it would be 302 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,920 someone that was already previously mentally ill. Well, you can be again, plead insanity, just 303 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,720 insanity, but temporary insanity means that you were not insane before the crime happened. You 304 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,960 were insane during when the crime happened, but you were not insane after the crime happened. 305 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,680 I don't know if I agree with that. I feel like that's a really, really light way to use the word 306 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:54,040 insane. Well, again, and that's why there's only 1% that ever go to trial. And then of that 1%, 307 00:26:54,040 --> 00:27:00,200 only 26% are successful. Yeah, that's so it's a very, very, very small pool. Hardly ever, yeah. 308 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:06,120 So once found guilty by reason of insanity, it is required for the defendant to undergo treatment 309 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:12,680 or further evaluation of some kind. Okay. But it might not be permanent incarceration or permanent 310 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:18,040 housing and like a psychiatric facility. Yeah, how many times have we heard like, yeah, 311 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:24,200 it's required to have ongoing treatment and it doesn't happen? Yeah. For example, Lorena Bobbit, 312 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:32,680 most notoriously, she cut off her husband's penis after she alleged that he had come home drunk and 313 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:41,000 beat her in sexually assaulted her, raped her. That after the act of all of this, she shot off her 314 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:49,240 her husband's penis and threw it out of a moving car window. It's okay. It's not funny. It's not 315 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:54,840 funny. Okay. I mean, everybody makes the joke, right? Yeah. Yeah. It reminds me of Scrubs when 316 00:27:54,840 --> 00:28:02,360 a Elliot's like, I swear to God, Keith, I won't chop it off. But she's just screaming. I mean, 317 00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:10,840 if he really did that, no, yeah, yeah, absolutely. She would be found not guilty by temporary insanity 318 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:19,160 and she would only serve 45 days in a treatment facility. Oh, wow. And that's it 45 days. And 319 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,920 then yeah, so she was found not guilty. Did anything like that ever happen again? 320 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:29,960 Yes. And well, not specifically that. Oh, no. Yeah, she's been she's been, she's been just fine. 321 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,960 In fact, her ex-husband after a 10 hour surgery went on to have a successful porn career. 322 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:44,200 Ew. Doesn't that? Okay. Yeah. All right. So I feel like maybe he was a bit of a skis. 323 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,840 Yeah. Maybe not just a bit. He probably has like necrosis or something. 324 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:56,840 So another example of temporary insanity would be John Hinckley Jr. He admitted to attempting to 325 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:03,560 assassinate the president, President Reagan. He would wound Reagan and several others, 326 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:09,240 including paralyzing press secretary James Brady for life. You're so funny. Why? 327 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,720 Because Hillary just suggested that case and I was going to do it. 328 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,240 Didn't we talk about John Hinckley just this last week, though? We did because Hillary suggested 329 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,560 it. I'm pretty sure. I think I said something about it. Well, because we were talking about 330 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:27,720 Chapman too and about how that was kind of certain. Hinckley was convinced that after 331 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,280 watching the movie Taxi Driver that the actress Jodie Foster was telling Hinckley to commit the act. 332 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:40,520 That's that delusional disorder. Yes. He was also acquitted after extensive evaluations. 333 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:47,640 Andrea Yates was a Texas mom of five who had also ceased using her medications that she was 334 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:53,480 prescribed for mental disorders and began to throw herself into religion. Andrea was also acquitted 335 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,160 of drowning and killing all five of her children when she thought that there was something wrong 336 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:07,880 with her children developmentally. Yep. That's all I have. It's so heavy. Yep. I just, I don't know. 337 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:13,000 I feel like her case might be a little indifferent again because she had cold turkey equipment 338 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,680 medication and clearly this was a side effect of that. It wasn't like she was just going on about 339 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,680 her life, stereotypical. Yeah. Bam. You know what I mean? Sure. Yeah. And I think that, 340 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:31,080 you know, again, those are reason of insanity cases. But yeah, I think it's, I think just 341 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,720 determining the amount of time, you know, because it was a rapid decline with her, I'm pretty sure. 342 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,800 Although she said that she had suffered from postpartum depression quite a bit. Yeah. And 343 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,240 absolutely. All those things are like super real. I'm not like excusing it just because she's 344 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,280 got medication. Yeah. But it's kind of hard. And it's like, where do you make the distinction, 345 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,520 right? If it was temporary insanity, if it was mental disorder, if it was psychosis, 346 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:58,360 if it was or whatever, you know, it's, that's why we're not lawyers. Right. We're not lawyers. 347 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:04,760 Exactly. This is all just some information that I gathered on the interwebs. So I wanted to 348 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,960 elaborate on that one a little bit further. So I'm glad you did. I didn't know about that case. 349 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:13,960 That's wild. The Popsicle? Popsicle. Yeah. Popsicle. He's always Popsicle though. 350 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:20,920 Dang. Popsicle's cute. No, we shouldn't glorify that. But yeah, I, there was one other case 351 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:29,640 that a gentleman was acquitted of murdering his wife because he was a very severe sleepwalker. 352 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:36,680 And that he was, although I think held responsible for her crime, he was essentially 353 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,160 acquitted. Yeah. Or not acquitted, but I'm not trying to say. He was found not guilty. Yeah. 354 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,320 Yeah. He was, yeah. Yeah. Right. Temporary insanity. Yes. Because it happened in his sleep. 355 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,640 That's wild. Yeah. Imagine that. No. And if it was like real, I'd be like, oh my God, I would feel 356 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,440 so fucking bad. There's a reason why we hear only, you know, there's only happened, it's only ever 357 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,800 happened four or five times. And there's a reason we know about every single one of those is because 358 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,600 it's so rare. Yeah. Exactly. Well, thanks for bringing that. That was a good meanty break. Yeah. 359 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,560 Thanks for hanging out. Yeah, absolutely. I think now is a good time as ever to let everyone know 360 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:17,240 what we're doing for the Patreon bonus episode. Yes. So if you guys have been following a 361 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:23,320 long with us, you know that we do have additional bonus episodes for our tier two and three patrons. 362 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:30,120 That is Patreon only exclusive, ad free, edit free, content morning free, excuse me. And it's kind of 363 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,440 like a more elaborate case, a little bit more gory than our normal cases. So they do come out on 364 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:42,040 the 29th of every month. This month, I am going to be covering the toy box killer. So Frankie, 365 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,520 you ready? Yeah. Because Frankie wanted us to do that one. He was never actually convicted of 366 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,680 murder. He was just suspected of it. So that's why I didn't want to cover it as a regular case. 367 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,240 Oh, I see. Patreon only, there's no rules. So we're going to cover him and he's a six out of a 368 00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:01,080 bitch. So we will be getting that released on the 29th. And in the meantime, you can follow us on 369 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,960 Instagram or anywhere else at diagnosing a killer. Check out diagnosingkiller.com, get some 370 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,440 Merchie merch. Yes, I love my full body heaps shirt. I'm obsessed. I want to get a Yikes on 371 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,720 bike shirt because I can wear it to work because it's kid friendly. I want the Yikes on bikes on a 372 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,520 canvas bag. It looks so cute. I love it. Well, that's the color I'm going to get. 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