Hello. Hello. Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer, The Mental Breakdown.
I'm Koelle. I'm Kenna. How's it going? It's been a day. How's the work going?
It's going well. I think I'm just psychologically still getting into the routine of things,
like not sleeping for fucking 13 hours like I'm used to. So I'm getting a little bit of
anxiety simply because of my sleep schedule being adjusted. But as far as the duties at
work and everything I'm doing, it's been a lot of fun and I've learned a lot. And the
kiddos that I work with are just awesome. So it's really exciting.
We had a good weekend though. I think we got to see each other Saturday and Sunday. Me
and you? Yeah. Well, maybe not Sunday, but Saturday. Yeah, that's true. We went out for
a little bit. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah. Then this weekend going at its down. I feel like
I say that all the time. Well, we saw it down. Well, we went down to the coast probably three
or four weeks ago with Alex and Dana and it poured the whole time we were down there.
Me and Dana were down there for five days and it rained every single day about one. That
would depress the fuck out of me. I know. And so the guys came down and met us and we
tried to go fishing and stuff, but it was cold and it was raining and we were so frustrated.
And so I said, you know what? We all have Memorial Day off. Let's go back down to the
coast for a few days and it's supposed to be nice weather. So fingers crossed. Isn't
it better fishing when it's cold because the fish come more to the surface, right? To get
warm? No, not necessarily. And I mean, they kind of like hide when it's not that warm
outside. Like they'll burrow. It just depends. Like it's really just a weird, it's better
to be cool, not cold. Oh, I see. Yeah. So and rain, like forget about it. It's too much
noise. They're probably scared. Yeah, that makes sense. But yeah, so hopefully this
will be a good second try at the vacation. Yeah. What about you? You know, just sleeping
a lot and I'm almost done with my puzzle. I started Schitt's Creek and I'm obsessed
with it right now. And I didn't realize that it was so old that the last season was in
2020. But I am a dead show person. Like I won't, I won't enjoy a show until it's already
been canceled or taken off the air and all the, everybody becomes hush hush about it.
And then I'll enjoy it. So I was just, you know, I was in my feels the other day. So
I was like, I want to watch a comedy. And I put it on and I'm obsessed with Daniel Levy.
He's so hot. He's hot. Oh my gosh. So no spoilers for anybody, but I want him and Stevie to work
out. I don't know more than the first like couple, probably like the first six or seven
episodes I watched. But I liked it. It's not that I didn't. But I agree with you on the
dead show thing. Like I have a hard time watching a show if I have to wait every week for it,
unless it's a reality show. Like I watched a farmer wants a wife and I just finished
it. Farmer wants a wife. Yeah, farmer wants a wife just aired. There was a UK version and
now there was an hour version. So that's where we copied you. But our series just ended.
I think they ended like last Wednesday and I just watched it like yesterday. And then
American Idol finale came out last Sunday and I just watched it today. So and survivor,
survivor I actually caught up on today as well. So I tried to watch survivor the other
day and I fell asleep in the first episode. So man. And I'm like, I'm also into like next
level chef. That's over for the year as well. But those are like the reality shows that
I watch weekly. And then you know, Grey's Anatomy, even though I don't want it to keep
going like it needs to end. But I'm just like, I'm a I can't not watch it. I've watched
20 fucking seasons of it. 2019. Didn't they tease that Ellen pump? How do you say your
last name Pompeo Pompeo that she's going to come back for an episode finale. So she left
earlier this season. Spoiler alerts event. Okay, let me just say this before I keep going.
Spoiler alerts if anyone is caught up on grace. She left earlier in the season. And it was
like her big departure from the show. She came back for the finale. Oh, the finale aired
like last week. So she didn't really leave. She didn't really leave, but she's not going
to be in the next season. So they got they got approved for season 20. That is too much
TV. It's too much. That's too much TV. I always stop read round season 14. Yeah, I don't
like Amelia and I know you like Amelia. I love Amelia. But I also watch private practice
and you get to know a lot more about Amelia and Addison and private private practice.
I love Kate Walsh. Yeah, I love her too. You have to watch Umbrella Academy. She's amazing.
She's so funny as the handler. So Kate Walsh, Katerina Scorsone. If you're listening, that's
Amelia. We love you. We love you guys. And Jeff Prost, I've applied to for Survivor twice
now. So freaking love you. I'm just of course, like everybody else, I'm all about the Scandable
right now. The Vanderpump Rules thing tie for Movication is kind of dabbling in this
potential reality TV show podcast, which I'm really excited about. I listened to a little
bit of it. And that and RuPaul's Drag Race. Those are the only things that I watch like
religiously. I have to watch every single episode, like the moment it comes out. Yeah,
even if I'm at the bar, I'll pull out my phone and I will watch Vanderpump Rules. That sounds
like me. Honestly, though, like, I spend a lot of time, you know, of course with Casey,
a lot of my downtime and he is like, no, we're not fucking watching that. Like, no, but you
know what I mean? Like, if I don't want to watch a show that he's into, he doesn't want
to watch a show that I'm into, right? So I kind of wait until there's like a night like
he's in Austin right now. So I was like, okay, let me catch up catch up on my show.
So please, I'm out of town. When it comes back, it'll be caught up and I won't have
to worry about it.
My former brother in law, I mean, I still call my brother in law, but even though I'm
divorced, but my brother in law, we used to sit around in the game room and I would watch
Bad Girls Club while the guys would play video games. Oh my gosh. And he would always say,
he'd be like, I don't understand why you watch that crap. It's just crap. And Justin, you
say that all the time, you know, like, it's just crap. You just watch crap. And then 20
minutes later, he'll be like, what did Britney say to her? You know, no, exactly. And I caught
Casey doing that too. Like, he'll see me like, let's Dexter, I rewatch Dexter every
like year or so.
Right. So he's seen it kind of here and there. But like, he'll catch me on like season two,
episode five, and then he'll somehow be in the room with me again, like season four,
episode three is like, wait, I thought that guy died. I'm like, no, that wasn't fake death.
Like he didn't actually say or whatever. Like he'll remember things from earlier. And he's
like, I can't keep up with this. It's too long. Well, you didn't watch the whole thing.
Love it.
So that is our two cents on movies and TV shows, I guess. Yeah. We're not even movies,
just TV shows.
Thanks for listening to our rant. I know mom and dad are watching Jeopardy Masters right
now and I'm bummed because they're gonna wait for us.
They are watching last Wednesday.
They're catching up. Yeah, 13 and 14. Cause they were in town, you're right. Yeah. So
they didn't get to see it, which is great. Cause I think tonight's the finale.
I think it's the finals.
I want Andrew he to win. No, James is definitely winning for sure. I loved Amy. I loved Amy.
I love Amy so much. It really bums me out that she's not a part of the end. But yeah,
love Andrew. I know you want James to win. James is gonna win. I don't even want him
to win. I know he's gonna win. He's too good. All the chips, please. If you all like Jeopardy
as much as us, message us and let us know. Obsessed with Jeopardy. Also speaking of
messaging us and letting us know things, our listener that suggested the previous case
that we did, Anders Breivik, her name is, I would say, I would pronounce it Lena, but
I know she's originally from Norway. So I think it might be Lena or Liena. Not exactly
sure how to pronounce it, but she did give you permission to use her name and we did
not mention it earlier in the podcast. So thanks again for that suggestion. She said
that my pronunciation's over on point. They were.
So I was really flattered about that. What was, uh, Vanka?
Venka. Venka. Yes. Venka and Jens. Yes. And Jens. Yep. Oh, sorry for that. So thank
you for that. That case went really well. Hilary said she liked it as well. And she
also said that there's a Netflix documentary about it too. Oh really?
I didn't know. And she said it's called July 22nd. So.
There's a new Netflix, I don't know if it was Netflix or if it was Hulu or if it was
Paramount or if it was whatever, or Peacock, but it's called Waco the Afterbath.
Yeah. Saw that. Oh my gosh. I want to see that because it goes.
I didn't watch it. I mean I saw that preview for it. Yeah, the preview and it's all, um,
scripted. Yeah. It's not like a documentary, but I thought that was really interesting
because the guy that plays Timothy McAfee, it looks like Timothy McAfee. Yeah. Yikes.
Well yeah, I don't have anything else. I just wanted to talk about my day for a little
bit, kind of decompress because I wasn't feeling too hot when we walked in here and
now I feel better. Okay, good. Mentally, not physically.
So I chose to do this topic and I feel like it's a topic we've talked about so many times
that I actually had to go back into our previous mental breakdown episodes to make sure we
didn't already cover it. Ooh, okay. So today we are going to be talking about temporary
insanity. Oh, okay. Timber. Yeah. Or the insanity plea. Right? So yes. Yes. It's a little bit
of both. I've been wanting to do an episode on this, like a deep dive. So thanks. Yeah.
Well, I'm not going to be too deep, but... Well, it's a dive nonetheless. Yeah, it's true.
10 meters, maybe. So we're going to start with the insanity
defense, which is also known as mental disorder defense. Non-composmentis or not of sound
mind in Latin. It actually originated in Greece and Roman times, Greek Roman times.
Dang that far. Yeah. But it was usually for people who had mental disorders. I mean, it
wasn't like crimes of passion like we know today. It was just anybody that had a mental
disorder regardless of who it was. Yeah. It could also be applied to intoxication or
just being in a confused state in general. That makes sense. Like sleeping, essentially.
You know? You're sleeping, you're insane. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you commit a crime
during sleep. Oh, I see what you're saying. Because we've heard of sleepwalking cases.
Yes. That's what I'm saying. So there is actually no law around that time that was differentiating
between insanity mental disorders, insanity slash mental disorders and criminal acts.
So it wasn't up until 1724, which the first recorded ever insanity trial ever began. 1724,
that's wild. That's before we were even around. Right. Like a country, not us. Obviously us
and everyone listening to this podcast. But. Oh my gosh. You remember when we became a vampire
like right after that. I know. We were friends with George Washington. It was cool. Oh, Georgie.
I don't even think he was born. Maybe he would have just been born that time. So before this,
many suspected criminals would actually be subjected to something called trial by ordeal
or essentially torture. Oh, you know, like the Holy Grail when they're like, she's a
witch, Ben, or like, you know, see if she floats like a duck, things like that. Great.
That's essentially how our criminal system worked. Love that. I just wanted to look at
that really quick. Sorry, I grabbed my phone under your notice. George Washington was born
in 1731. So it was before he was born. Okay. So before George Washington. Yeah. He would
be baby George. Just a pepper in his beard. Just a little baby. Before you were a twinkle
in your father's eye. Oh my gosh. So this again, trial by ordeal came from Great Britain.
Because this is, you know, this is essentially how the court systems would come to be. Yeah.
So after the introduction of the jury trial system, jurors could actually find defendants
guilty by insanity, but the defendant would go free. So you are not guilty by reason of
insanity. So go on about your day. So just to be clear, guilty by insanity then meant,
yes, you're guilty of this crime, but because you're insane, you don't serve any time.
That's so wild. It's like, yeah, you did it. And we have proof that you did it. Go go.
Yeah. Go on about your day. To the loo. So of course now it's called not guilty by reason
of insanity, but that's because there's been several acts that have been, I guess, passed.
And nowadays it's not like, oh, not guilty by reason of insanity. To the loo. It's like,
not guilty by reason of insanity. It's like, hang out a little bit.
Presented still. Oh, God, it's terrible. So this quickly became a problem of sorts, right?
So the Criminal Lunatics Act of 1800 would come to pass in Great Britain. Such an old
fashion sentence. I know Lunatics Act of 1800. At least it dates it. So it would come to
pass, excuse me, come to pass and defendants who would be found guilty of insanity would
be institutionalized indefinitely. Okay. But this also includes crimes that were committed,
that were like crimes of passion or temporary insanity. So even if you were like, I just
lost my shit and I was seeing red and I harmed someone or killed someone, you would still
be institutionalized for the rest of your life, even if you might not have a mental disorder.
Doesn't make sense. Yeah, but like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I know exactly
where you're getting that. Yeah. My problem with that is you still fucking did it. So
you would either be in jail for the rest of your life or a mental institution. Which one's
cushier? You want the I would probably take prison. Oh, really? Yeah. I'm gonna have like
the sticky socks. Just like creepy, creepy socks and creepy socks. It's just like that
tick tock. The things in my, what is it? The things in my psych ward that just makes sense.
Yeah, exactly. It's not funny. It's not funny. It's not. But tick tock stuff. Yes, tick
tock stuff. No, but do you think you'd rather be in prison than be? Yes. Why? Oh, at this
time? Okay. Yes, then not now. That's different. Yeah. Okay. Then it didn't matter. You were
with, you were with murderers and rapists and you know, people that pedophiles or you
know, it was all under a blanket of that. Of your mentally ill. Your mentally ill. I mean,
and essentially no treatment. I mean, what kind of treatment would you get? A lobotomy?
That's true. It's yeah. I mean, they called it a loony bin. Like the loony bin. No way
they have like neurotransmitters. What is it? They probably didn't even have grippy socks.
They didn't even have grippy socks. That's true. Dan Sickles was born in 1819 in New
York. He wanted to become a lawyer and he was accepted to the bar in 1946 and did become
a part of the New York Assembly in, I didn't find a year. It just continues to run on Senate,
sorry y'all. He would eventually become part of the New York Assembly. In 1852, at age
32, he married a young woman by the name of Teresa Baggiolli. And when I say a young woman,
I mean 16. And how old was he? 32. Yikes. Yikes on bikes. It's like double it and give it to
the next person but with his age. She says twice.
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Both families did oppose this marriage because the girl was very young of course.
She was very bright and she said, it was said about her that she spoke about five different
languages. She can read, she can write, all this stuff. She's very, very smart.
Fucking goals honestly. That'd be so cool. I mean you're halfway through your life so.
Me? No. At age 16. It reminds me of a million, is it a million ways to die in the west?
Oh I'm not sure. Where they're making a joke about age and about how young people were when
they got married and I think it's uh, what's his name? Seth McFarlane. Makes a joke is like, oh she's
like already hit her peak. She's like 13. Oh yeah. They do the same thing in Family Guy. Speaking of
total side note, you know what I found out earlier? Mark Wahlberg, Marky Mark and Seth
McFarlane were both supposed to be on the flight that hit the first tower in 9-11.
Yeah. Oh my god. I found that out earlier. I was like, oh, could you imagine? Family Guy would
have ended after like two years of it being on. Yeah. Or it would have been taken over by. We
wouldn't have gotten the Wahlbergers. Yeah. Marky Mark. I'm Marky Mark and y'all are the funky bunch.
Oh my god, have you not seen Fear yet? No, I haven't seen Fear. You have to watch Fear. Oh my
gosh, it's so good. When he starts pounding his chest I was like, ah. I found it on his streaming
service yesterday and I like sent Hilary a photo and she was like, yes. And I was like, oh I'm not
watching it. I just wanted to let you know that I can now access it. And Elizabeth Milano's character
in that movie was just like, ugh, it's just heartbreaking. I need to watch it. It'll happen
eventually. So Dan Sickles continued to become a successful politician, becoming a part of the
New York Senate, and eventually elected into Congress so the couple would move to Washington,
D.C. Please tell me when his old age he went by pop. Pop Sickles. Pop. I didn't see that.
I didn't see that at all. I didn't see that. Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce you to my
weasel? Not even introduce you to the show. Reintroduce. So many weasels. I had to. I hope he went by
pop when he was older. I hope he gets older. Sickles. Okay, sorry. It's been a day. So Pop Sickles
would often travel to England to meet various stibblemats, but he would not be traveling alone.
While Teresa stayed behind in Washington, D.C., pregnant with her first child, Dan was traveling
with a known sex worker and even introduced the woman to Queen Victoria. What the fuck? The Queen
Victoria. She's just like, hey, by the way, my casual sex worker. Well, apparently she went by
a different alias or something and he was like, oh, this is my colleague or something. But like,
who does that? Like, you know, come on, he knew what he was doing. He was like, I'm getting away
with this. Oh, yeah, it's gross. It's gross. So the affair did go on for some time. And once
returning from one of these trips, Dan would come home to find out that after a dinner party,
through an anonymous letter, that his wife Teresa had also been having an affair with a famous
writer's son. While she was pregnant? I don't know. Because this is ongoing. This is like,
for over the course of a few years throughout their marriage. This would, this person was Philip
Key, the second. Dan and Teresa argued for some time after this dinner party before Dan asked
Teresa for her wedding ring before storming out of the house. Dan would walk the streets in Lafayette
Square across the street from the White House. Here on the evening of February 27th, 1859,
which is always so hard to say, Dan would come across Philip Key, where Dan produced a pistol
walking up to him, shouting at Philip, quote, you villain, you defiled my bed, you must die,
end quote, and shot Philip to death in the street. You villain. You villain. It's, it's 1859. This
is like the White House, the White House, the White House. Okay. And also, why is he mad? He's the
one that cheated first. She doesn't know that. But still, but still, the dick. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.
Philip's father was in fact, Francis Scott Key, the man who wrote the Star Spangled Banner.
No. Yeah. He killed his son. Wow. That's wild. Dan Sickles would walk a few blocks down to the
attorney general's office or house. His name was Jeremiah Black. And he immediately confessed to
the murder. He's like, Oh, that was me. That guy that's down the street down there. The villain.
The villain. Get him. Yeah. Poor guy, though. Yeah. Dan Sickles was immediately taken to jail.
But given the story of the affair and his recognition around the city, Dan was given special privileges.
He was able to keep his personal pistol on him and actually had so many people visiting him that
at one point they actually moved him from the jail to a private apartment so that he could just,
you know, like have time with friends and family. That sounds like Anders. Yeah. Three cells. Yeah.
Ew. Why would they? Okay. It's also 1859. That's true. It wasn't an apartment like an 1859.
Yeah. Jesus. I don't know. Probably a room. Sickles put together a defense team that claimed
that Dan wasn't insane, but he was temporarily insane, driven mad in the moment by his wife's
affair. Okay. But it's not like he walked in on her like fukin' the dude. Like it's like he just
ran into on the street and was like, Oh, you're revealing. Oh, how am I just gonna kill you?
Like he had fun in time. He went down there to look for him. So it was clearly premeditated.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Definitely. I mean, at least that's what it seemed like. It seemed
like he was walking the streets looking for Philip Key. So it wasn't like he just happened to run
into him? I don't think so. I mean, he did storm out of the house, but I don't know if he stormed
out of the house with the intention of finding him or if he stormed out of the house and just so
happened to find him. He stormed out of the house with a weapon. With a weapon. So, well, I mean,
I guess he keeps it on on his persons at all time. Anyways. So at one point, the defense claimed that
Dan was actually a hero for quote, saving all the ladies of Washington from this rogue named Key.
That sounds like Anders as well. I'm a hero. He's a hero. I stopped a much worse thing from
happening. Yes, exactly. Because this guy was like I said, he's a fiend. He's a villain. Dan was actually
able to get Teresa to admit to graphic details written out about her time with Philip. And
although that this this was deemed an admissible in court, this graphic information was leaked to the
media. Yeah, because he knew they didn't have any fucking rules back then, whatever they print.
But also, that kind of shows like the hold he has on her and like the fact that he groomed her
when she was little because like when she was younger, because he's like he clearly has enough
manipulation to convince her. Just write it down. Yeah, to do that. And she's like, okay, like.
And it's like a sign confession. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, this information swayed local opinions
on the case and the greater public was saturated by these conversations of the trial. It was
essentially their Scott Peterson, you know, or whatever, or, you know, name a famous, really
famous case. Yeah. Even President Buchanan had actually wrote Dan during the trial,
citing his unwavering support of Dan. The president. It was like, I'm so sorry you're going
through this. She's such a horror. I'm here for you. Remember, it reminds me of, wasn't it President
Bush that signed like a letter to like give mercy to Conle Faye Tucker? It was like him and like
a bunch of other leaders that like H or W. Probably, I don't know. I'm not gonna say H.
But either way, yeah, it's just it's just wild one like politicians fucking president.
Fuckin presidents like I got your bag. Yo, yeah, you got a big dick.
He guilty as fuck, but he got a big old dick.
Gosh, it's terrible. So bad. Oh gosh. Dan Sickles was ultimately acquitted of all charges after
only one hour of deliberation and would eventually publicly forgive Teresa for her indiscretions.
Because at this point, she had been villainized by the media. She's the villain now. Yeah.
Everyone's a villain. Everyone's the villain except for Dan. He's a hero. He murdered someone
and he's out of villain in the middle of the street in front of the White House.
God, what a dummy. And the fact that he publicly apologized to her. Yeah.
Yeah. Right? He probably. No, he forgave her. Oh, he forgave her.
That's what it means. Yeah, I was like, that's not right. He yeah, he publicly forgave her.
Like, did I forgive you? I'm the bigger person. I forgive you. Yeah, I just fucking murdered a
man in cold blood. You rolled your eyes and blinked at the same time you did like one of those
iguana eyes. Or chameleons, rather. Chameleons. So Dan decided to stay married to Teresa after
this trial, which apparently disgusted a lot of people. They were like, how could you be with
somebody like that? She cheated on you. I'd be like, bitch, run. Seriously. He's coming after you next.
Oh, apparently she died like eight years later because of like typhoid or something.
Mysterious circumstances. Probably. Probably poison her ass.
That's awful. Isn't that awful? Well, that's Dan Sickle, everybody. So that's just a little tidbit
there. But again, it was the first time that any trial had said those words temporary insanity.
So the insanity case had always, or the insanity plea had always been kind of around, but to say
temporary insanity. Yeah. Well, then a bunch of lawyers, of course, picked this up and it just
kind of became a thing. So again, attorneys have used this as grounds for acquittal or even a lesser
sentence, although according to one study, only 1% of cases are ever brought to trial
under temporary insanity. It makes sense because I feel like, in my personal opinion, I feel like
you would have to be declared mentally incompetent or have a very serious mental illness to be
considered temporarily insane, like a crime of passion, like we know now does not equal
temporarily temporary insanity unless there's like an underlying mental illness. Yeah, like,
yeah, right. Like someone that's neurotypical can snap, have a moment they kill someone because
it's crime passion. That's temporary insanity. It is. Oh, yeah, I would feel like it would be
someone that was already previously mentally ill. Well, you can be again, plead insanity, just
insanity, but temporary insanity means that you were not insane before the crime happened. You
were insane during when the crime happened, but you were not insane after the crime happened.
I don't know if I agree with that. I feel like that's a really, really light way to use the word
insane. Well, again, and that's why there's only 1% that ever go to trial. And then of that 1%,
only 26% are successful. Yeah, that's so it's a very, very, very small pool. Hardly ever, yeah.
So once found guilty by reason of insanity, it is required for the defendant to undergo treatment
or further evaluation of some kind. Okay. But it might not be permanent incarceration or permanent
housing and like a psychiatric facility. Yeah, how many times have we heard like, yeah,
it's required to have ongoing treatment and it doesn't happen? Yeah. For example, Lorena Bobbit,
most notoriously, she cut off her husband's penis after she alleged that he had come home drunk and
beat her in sexually assaulted her, raped her. That after the act of all of this, she shot off her
her husband's penis and threw it out of a moving car window. It's okay. It's not funny. It's not
funny. Okay. I mean, everybody makes the joke, right? Yeah. Yeah. It reminds me of Scrubs when
a Elliot's like, I swear to God, Keith, I won't chop it off. But she's just screaming. I mean,
if he really did that, no, yeah, yeah, absolutely. She would be found not guilty by temporary insanity
and she would only serve 45 days in a treatment facility. Oh, wow. And that's it 45 days. And
then yeah, so she was found not guilty. Did anything like that ever happen again?
Yes. And well, not specifically that. Oh, no. Yeah, she's been she's been, she's been just fine.
In fact, her ex-husband after a 10 hour surgery went on to have a successful porn career.
Ew. Doesn't that? Okay. Yeah. All right. So I feel like maybe he was a bit of a skis.
Yeah. Maybe not just a bit. He probably has like necrosis or something.
So another example of temporary insanity would be John Hinckley Jr. He admitted to attempting to
assassinate the president, President Reagan. He would wound Reagan and several others,
including paralyzing press secretary James Brady for life. You're so funny. Why?
Because Hillary just suggested that case and I was going to do it.
Didn't we talk about John Hinckley just this last week, though? We did because Hillary suggested
it. I'm pretty sure. I think I said something about it. Well, because we were talking about
Chapman too and about how that was kind of certain. Hinckley was convinced that after
watching the movie Taxi Driver that the actress Jodie Foster was telling Hinckley to commit the act.
That's that delusional disorder. Yes. He was also acquitted after extensive evaluations.
Andrea Yates was a Texas mom of five who had also ceased using her medications that she was
prescribed for mental disorders and began to throw herself into religion. Andrea was also acquitted
of drowning and killing all five of her children when she thought that there was something wrong
with her children developmentally. Yep. That's all I have. It's so heavy. Yep. I just, I don't know.
I feel like her case might be a little indifferent again because she had cold turkey equipment
medication and clearly this was a side effect of that. It wasn't like she was just going on about
her life, stereotypical. Yeah. Bam. You know what I mean? Sure. Yeah. And I think that,
you know, again, those are reason of insanity cases. But yeah, I think it's, I think just
determining the amount of time, you know, because it was a rapid decline with her, I'm pretty sure.
Although she said that she had suffered from postpartum depression quite a bit. Yeah. And
absolutely. All those things are like super real. I'm not like excusing it just because she's
got medication. Yeah. But it's kind of hard. And it's like, where do you make the distinction,
right? If it was temporary insanity, if it was mental disorder, if it was psychosis,
if it was or whatever, you know, it's, that's why we're not lawyers. Right. We're not lawyers.
Exactly. This is all just some information that I gathered on the interwebs. So I wanted to
elaborate on that one a little bit further. So I'm glad you did. I didn't know about that case.
That's wild. The Popsicle? Popsicle. Yeah. Popsicle. He's always Popsicle though.
Dang. Popsicle's cute. No, we shouldn't glorify that. But yeah, I, there was one other case
that a gentleman was acquitted of murdering his wife because he was a very severe sleepwalker.
And that he was, although I think held responsible for her crime, he was essentially
acquitted. Yeah. Or not acquitted, but I'm not trying to say. He was found not guilty. Yeah.
Yeah. He was, yeah. Yeah. Right. Temporary insanity. Yes. Because it happened in his sleep.
That's wild. Yeah. Imagine that. No. And if it was like real, I'd be like, oh my God, I would feel
so fucking bad. There's a reason why we hear only, you know, there's only happened, it's only ever
happened four or five times. And there's a reason we know about every single one of those is because
it's so rare. Yeah. Exactly. Well, thanks for bringing that. That was a good meanty break. Yeah.
Thanks for hanging out. Yeah, absolutely. I think now is a good time as ever to let everyone know
what we're doing for the Patreon bonus episode. Yes. So if you guys have been following a
long with us, you know that we do have additional bonus episodes for our tier two and three patrons.
That is Patreon only exclusive, ad free, edit free, content morning free, excuse me. And it's kind of
like a more elaborate case, a little bit more gory than our normal cases. So they do come out on
the 29th of every month. This month, I am going to be covering the toy box killer. So Frankie,
you ready? Yeah. Because Frankie wanted us to do that one. He was never actually convicted of
murder. He was just suspected of it. So that's why I didn't want to cover it as a regular case.
Oh, I see. Patreon only, there's no rules. So we're going to cover him and he's a six out of a
bitch. So we will be getting that released on the 29th. And in the meantime, you can follow us on
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