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It does hurt.
Well, the good news is that today's my case, so you don't have to talk the whole time.
I'm just going to be quiet the whole time sitting here and sipping my coffee.
Yeah, we have a really good one for today, so I'm really excited about it.
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And then we weren't anymore.
It's like, there's a checkbook, there's a checkbook.
And then I deleted it because it was really exciting.
Well, they require you to have a photo of yourself that's present on your ID.
But I was saying, they don't have Jared Fogle out there for Subway.
Yeah.
Well, the thing is, is that I kind of figured out like the meta verification, which is the
new type is, I guess for like an individual person, because it does make you like submit
proof of identity, your profile picture and your name has to match your ID.
Then you can do like an original verification, which you have to request for.
However, your like brand has to be searched like a certain amount of times in order to
reach like verification status essentially.
So Google us, search us on every platform and maybe we can get verified.
Isn't that weird that the verification team sees like Justin Bieber's identification?
Yeah.
And that's strange.
It's like, hey, send me a picture of your ID, homie.
Exactly.
I know where you live.
And his Canadian passport.
Canadian passport?
He's from Canada.
Is he?
Yeah.
We said that.
He's from Canada.
Yeah.
While speaking of accents, we're doing a foreign case today.
We'll just get right into it because I don't really think I have anything else to say.
Right.
I'm already talking super fucking fast.
So this week, we are going to be doing a request, like I said, on Monday for our mental breakdown.
This is a week of requests.
If you guys do not remember or you did not listen to that episode that we shouted this
person out, we did mention recently that we got a message on Instagram from someone in
Norway.
Well, she's from Norway.
She lives in London currently.
But originally from Norway and she did suggest a case from Norway, perhaps Norway's most
infamous person.
Interesting.
So the person we are going to be talking about today is one.
Let me figure out how to pronounce his name because I don't want to say it wrong.
Anders Bryvik.
Okay.
Anders.
Bryvik.
Okay.
Yes.
So anybody that's in Norway, just please bear with me because I am not the best at pronunciations.
I'm trying my hardest.
Everyone in these names are going to be butchered.
Yes.
So Anders Bering Bryvik is his name.
That sounded pretty good, right?
That's in the Norwegian.
Yeah, I like that.
Okay.
So if you're into this, if you are from Norway or even if you live in Europe at all, you
probably have heard this guy's name because he's kind of fucked up really bad.
So ready?
Yeah.
Without further ado.
Content warning.
This episode contains depictions of child abuse, neglect, serious mental illness, suicidal
tendencies, and child victims.
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Okay, everyone take a deep breath.
Anders Bering Bryvik.
I sounded wrong already.
Bryvik.
I already said it so you know how it's pronounced.
Was born in Oslo, Norway on February 13th, 1979 to parents Venka Bering and Jens David
Bryvik.
Is Jens J-E-N-S?
It is.
I love that name.
And Venka is W-E-N-C-H-E.
Wow.
I thought it was Winch.
So I would say or Winchy.
But no, it's Venka.
Like Venka.
That's how it's pronounced.
Anders Mother was a nurse.
I was trying to press record and then quickly get back to my notes when I kept doing this
like giant pause of like time and then I had to remember the sentence so I kept going Anders
Mother was a nurse.
Anders Mother was a nurse and it sounded like fuzzy was he was a bear.
So she was a nurse while his father was a civil economist who worked as a diplomat for
the Norwegian Embassy in London and then later on he would work in Paris in the same position.
Got through that.
Okay.
Anders would also be born into a blended family with a maternal half-sister by the name
of Elizabeth and three paternal half-siblings by the names of Eric, Jan and Nina.
It's probably not Jan, it's probably Jan.
Yeah.
Jan.
Venka would flee her abusive home at the age of 17 and soon after that she would become
pregnant with Elizabeth.
So Elizabeth was much older than Anders.
Okay.
She would meet Jan when she was in her 30s.
Jens.
Jens?
Would I say that?
Jens?
Yeah.
She would meet Jens when she was in her 30s and would become pregnant with Anders shortly
after marrying Jens due to the pregnancy.
Even before his birth Venka seemed to have disdain for Anders.
According to her, Anders was particularly rough while he was in the womb.
What?
I know, we never really hear that, right?
She would state about this, quote, it's as if he kicks me almost on purpose to torment.
Ew, I don't like that.
Like, immediately no.
He's Damien.
Yeah.
Venka would frequently refer to her unborn child as a, quote, nasty child and she would
say that she wanted to abort him.
However, when she went to the hospital to try to have this done she was already three
months along and they would not allow her to abort.
Yeah, I know it's different for, well, not just countries but state-worn.
Well, we're a different story over here.
Area-wise.
Venka's fears became even more real the day that Anders was born and he would arrive
into the world looking abnormally blue.
So it seems as though he might have had oxygen cut off either during birth or shortly after
birth.
Hmm.
If there was something seriously wrong with her child Venka would sink into a major depression
shortly after Anders was born.
He would eventually be okay health-wise and although he was born slightly ill looking
this would not be the only reason that Venka would become depressed.
She was known as saying that Anders was a quote, fundamentally nasty and evil child
and determined to destroy her.
What?
Do you think that maybe she was going through, I mean, clearly postpartum, right?
Yes.
But even, I mean, you said that even while she was pregnant she didn't want to be pregnant,
she even saw out maybe getting a procedure or something.
I just, I don't know, that's like a level of person, like, that feels personal.
Yes.
Like she feels personally victimized by Regina George.
Yes.
Well, we do know that she came from an extremely abusive household like I said and we will
find out in just a second that she also is mentally ill.
Okay.
Now Venka would actually stop breastfeeding, stopped breastfeeding.
She would stop breastfeeding Anders at a very early age because he was quote, sucking the
life out of her.
That's what she would say about him.
I see that happen to a cat.
Immediately like when he's born, like he's, according to her, like already this like demon
child, like if you will, it's not bad.
Now not only was Venka experiencing depression but she had also been previously diagnosed
with paranoid schizophrenia years prior to this.
A disorder that her own mother was also diagnosed with.
Wow.
Well, we say it can be hereditary.
Yeah.
Going down the lineage here.
While Jens was not known to have been diagnosed with anything, he was known as being a cold
and distant husband and father throughout Anders childhood.
When Anders was just six months old, the family moved to the embassy in London to be with
their father, but he would return to Oslo six months later when Venka had had enough of
the lifestyle, the political lifestyle.
Venka and Jens would ultimately divorce following this move.
So when Anders was like four months old, sorry, what was it?
He was, I'm sorry, six months old.
Yeah.
Well, he was, it was six months after they moved.
So he would be about a year old.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
So after they moved back to Oslo, neighbors would claim that there were many fights and
noises coming from the house like all the time.
Seemingly how?
I don't know.
But just, you know, it's not like the one year old was screaming.
Right.
They also noticed that Venka would frequently leave the children completely alone for extended
periods of time while she was at work.
Oh my gosh.
Now she does have an older daughter.
Maybe she was old enough to watch the baby.
Who knows?
But it was noted that she was frequently absent.
Never home.
In 1981, Venka would apply for welfare benefits specifically for financial aid and monetary
payment to help support her and her children.
While Anders was still an infant, his mother became very overwhelmed with having to take
care of him seven days a week.
And when he was still very little, she would apply for respite care for him, describing
him as being quote, clingy and demanding.
You know, shit, he's a fucking baby.
He's a child.
Like, yeah, he's a toddler.
Literally.
God, you're so demanding.
God, you're so fucking needed.
Like, can't you do anything for yourself?
You need to get a skin.
So Anders would end up getting placed with another young couple.
Just on the weekends so that Venka could either work or pretty much didn't have to take care
of him on the weekends.
Well, excuse me.
The young couple was willing and able to look after Anders for a while, but were extremely
taken aback when Venka asked them something out of left field.
Quote, she asked if Anders could occasionally touch his weakened dad's penis.
It was important for the boy's sexuality.
Wait, what?
She literally said, like, Anders doesn't have a dad in his life.
So can you, like, assume the role of dad and, like, make sure that you show him your penis
and let him touch it because he's quote, only ever seen girl parts.
So he needs, like, some guidance on, like, what it is to be like a man.
Um, yeah, you can do that without having him touch your fucking penis.
Like, that's, that's disgusting.
That is disgusting.
She's essentially, like, exposed him to sexual fucking things immediately.
Like, she's, like, sexually abused my son.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, there's no other way to cut it.
So of course the couple were speechless, did not allow this to happen, and immediately
contacted police.
They were like, uh, yeah, this is fucking wild and out over here.
Do you think that she was trying to encourage them to just take the baby?
Um, I'm not sure if she was.
I don't really think she cared either way.
Like, I think that she was like, yeah, if he's with me, he's with me.
But if he stays with you guys, then like, sure, but like, just make sure you, like,
let him touch your dick.
Well, like, in very sick cases, parents will use their children to, for drugs.
Yeah.
Trading, like, stuff like that.
Um, or whatever, or just because they don't give a shit.
Yeah.
And so I'm wondering if in her mind she wasn't, like, trying to entice them to, like, keep
him.
I'm not sure.
Either way, he does eventually leave her care, so I think maybe, I mean, you could be
right.
But I would say exactly what her goal was other than, like, teaching him about male
parts, which is not the fucking real thing.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
That's just what she said.
Because books don't exist.
Yeah, exactly.
So the couple did contact police, but nothing came of it.
Like, they just kind of said, like, oh, don't do that bad.
Like, that was it.
Go home.
Yeah, exactly.
Have a good one.
Now, young Anders was noted as being extremely different from other kiddos.
And his hobbies included things like snapping the heads off of roses, killing ants, throwing
rocks at windows, etc.
A normal child would be a behavior.
Just antics.
Well, normal rage-filled child, and I wonder why.
Because your mom's fucking not taking care of you.
He would find rats to keep as pets, but he would be frequently found, like, poking them
with, like, various objects, like, pencils.
Which is not funny, I'm sorry.
It just reminds me of, like, me sad of a family guy they found like a dead body.
He's like, poke it with a stick.
Poke it with a stick.
It's terrible.
Anyway, so yeah, he did that.
So when Anders was just four years old, there were two different reports filed expressing
concerns about his mental health.
Okay.
Four?
Yes.
It seems as though the reports came from neighbors, the same ones that noticed Venka's absence.
It was like the same neighbors that noticed him poking rats with sticks.
Probably so as well.
But they would essentially, like, encourage Venka, like, to take him to get evaluated.
Yeah.
So either way, he was taken to be evaluated by psychologists at age four.
In one report, a psychologist made a note of the boy's peculiar smile, suggesting that
he was not smiling due to any emotion, but rather as, like, a seemingly deliberate response
to his environment.
Like doopers?
Yes.
He's smiling because he knows that you want him to smile, kind of.
Which is like, so essentially, yeah, he was faking it.
At age four.
Nuts.
It was noted that he would have long phases of emotional voidness only to be met with
a huge outburst after the dissociation.
Do you think, like, bipolar?
Well, I don't know.
He was, like, really zoning out.
I think it, I mean, I think it was a defense mechanism zoning out and then you can no longer
control those emotions for so long, it just all comes out at once.
Like maybe precursor for DID, like trying to dissociate and then come back, like.
I'm really not sure, but maybe.
That's very strange.
Yeah.
Especially at such a young age, too.
Right.
So it kind of became clear to the psychologist that he was not allowed at home to express
his emotions, so he kind of never learned how to, which is really sad.
Do you remember Child of Rage?
It was like this little girl, her name was Beth Thomas, and she was, like, highly abused
when she was a little girl.
And there's, like, all these interviews with her where she's talking about how she wants
to, like, murder people and kill people.
Jesus.
Yeah, at a very, again, a very young age.
And, but she grew up, and she's, like, a psychologist now, I think, or a child psychologist.
It's for her.
Seriously, Beth Thomas, and she's a huge success story, but there are videos of her.
I'm surprised that you don't remember this, but.
Yeah.
I remember one of the first psychology courses I took.
It's like a 30 to 40 minute clip of an interview with her.
But yeah, Googler, because it's really interesting, but that's what this kind of sounds like, is
that at a very young age, they've just been abused so much or exposed to so much and not,
like, given good nurturing, you know, of any type of real substance, and they just, their
brains break.
Yeah.
You know, you're not a positive adult role model in your life at all.
Like, even the family, there's that couple he was staying with on the weekends, like,
who knows how quick that ended, because of what his mom did.
So, again, it became clear he wasn't allowed to express his emotions.
In another report from Norway's National Center for Child and Adolescent Psychiatry,
helpful, concerns arose about the way his mother was treating him, even in public.
Hmm.
So, the report stated that she had sexualized Anders, hit him, and frequently told him that
she wished he was dead, which is fucked up.
That's so fucked up.
Why wouldn't she go to, like, an adoption agency or, like, a, you know, what are those,
they call them safe havens?
Safe havens, yeah.
I don't know, she's also undiagnosed, not undiagnosed, untreated, mentally ill as well,
you know, it's just, it's a bunch of untreated shit.
She just felt like she just had to, like, I have to be a mom.
Also in the report, Venka is described as being, quote, a woman with an extremely difficult
upbringing, borderline personality disorder, and an all-encompassing, if only partially
visible, depression.
So, she's got her own shit going on.
Yeah, across the gambit here.
She's not worried about Anders, I guess, and she's clearly not worried about his well-being,
if at all.
Yeah, she's not getting any treatment.
Exactly.
They also added that she, quote, projects her primitive, aggressive, and sexual fantasies
onto Anders.
Like lizard brain?
I don't know, actually.
You know, like...
It doesn't seem like it was, I mean...
Prefrontal cortex, if she was going on here.
Also stated in the report, quote, Anders is a victim of his mother's projections of paranoid
aggressive and sexual fears towards men in general.
She projects onto him her own primitive, aggressive, and sexual fantasies, all the
qualities in men that she regards as dangerous and aggressive.
But he's four.
So, leaves her husband, she can't deal with the lifestyle.
You're four, you're a boy, biologically, so now you're the enemy just because you were
born male.
And you're a fucking child, but I'm not even gonna fucking mention that part.
I'm just gonna take out all my aggressions of men on you.
Yeah.
Because it's his fault, right?
It's just working.
It's his kid.
The findings of the report also determined that Anders needed to be immediately, forcibly
removed from his mother's care and placed into foster care, and that she was extremely
emotionally and psychologically abusive towards him.
The conclusion in the report stated, quote, the family is in dire need of help.
Anders should be removed from the family and given a better standard of care.
The mother is provoked by him and remains in an ambivalent position when prevents him,
which prevents him from developing on his own terms.
Anders has become an anxious, passive child that averts making contact.
He displays a manic defense mechanism of restless activity and a feigned, deflecting
smile.
Considering the profoundly pathological relationship between Anders and his mother, it is crucial
to make an early effort to ward off a severely skewed development in the boy.
God.
Damn, my drop.
Remember that, okay?
This suggestion, however, was never carried out by the Child Welfare Service, and instead,
Anders was placed in respite care only during the weekends again.
Just the weekends again?
Just what it was?
Like, do you have all these findings, all of this evidence, all of these suggestions?
Uh, well, let's go back to what we were doing already.
And it's like, okay, the psychologist, like, or a psychiatrist, excuse me, at this point,
it kind of seems like all they can do is just suggest something.
They can't forcibly remove him.
All they can do is suggest that he be forcibly removed because the Child Welfare Service essentially
has like jurisdiction.
Yeah.
So they're just like, oh, whatever, he'll be fine.
He's with his mom.
He's smiling.
Look at him, he's smiling.
He's smiling.
He's so happy, he's smiling.
You are not a fucking psychiatrist for a reason.
The facility hoped that he would eventually be placed into foster care.
We'll just let it slide until he's eventually placed.
That's awful.
Despite this horrible miscarriage of justice, once Yen learned of this happening, I keep
saying Yen, once Yen's learned of this happening, he filed for custody of Anders.
Good.
Although Venke was completely fine with Anders being in respite care and potentially foster
care, when she learned that Yen's filed for custody, she immediately tried to gain custody
back for herself.
Ew.
Okay, so she enjoys this.
This isn't just like, yeah, she enjoys this.
She absolutely enjoys this.
This is something that is therapeutic for her.
Yeah, which is gross.
It's gross.
Both of the parents would eventually involve lawyers in this, but the case would eventually
be dropped because the Welfare Services did not think they were going to be able to prove
enough evidence in court to warrant the placement of Anders in foster care.
Come again?
What?
What's the purpose in having the evaluations then, if they're not even going to use this
evidence?
Thank you.
What's the purpose?
It's ridiculous.
So they said that one of the main reasons they thought that they weren't going to have
a good case was the fact that staff from a nursery that Anders had been attending for
a few years prior testified that he was a happy child and nothing was wrong with him.
Because they're fucking psychiatrist, right?
Like, what?
Oh my god.
Look, he knows how to play.
He's smiling.
Look at him.
He's smiling as he's killing those ants and poking those rats.
He's smiling.
Right at me.
When I asked him a question, he looked right at me.
He looked right at me.
He can hear.
He's fine.
There's no physical abuse signs on him.
It's just emotional and mental abuse, which is terrible just as bad, but the fucking people
at the nursery aren't going to notice that just because he doesn't have a broken arm.
Yeah.
It's almost like they should have gotten him evaluated or something.
Oh wait.
They fucking did.
And then you didn't take the advice of the psychiatrist.
I think that these people in the child welfare services should have been held liable.
What happens later?
Oh, I always believe in that shit.
Yeah.
Fucking dumbasses.
Dummy.
Now during the court proceedings, the psychiatrist unit maintained their stance from the reports
that the psych eval stated that urgent action was needed to remove him from the care of his
mother and a letter was even written to child welfare to urge them to have an order placed
that he needed to be forcefully removed from her custody.
Right?
The letter didn't result in anything.
And the child welfare service lost the case.
Like their whole job.
This is their job.
It came out much later that the agency was being represented by a social worker with
no experience of representing a case in front of a committee.
What?
So they literally gave less of a shit than a fucking microscope thing.
They just put some guy that had no experience out there to put the fucking fate of a four
year old in his hands and he fucking didn't know what he was doing, probably not his fault.
He just got thrown out there and they fucking lost the case.
So in closing, it was ruled that Anders would remain in the care of his mother.
But the family would be supervised.
That's what I was gonna say with no supervision though.
Well they said we're gonna supervise her.
This is what's gonna move forward.
However, you're gonna love this.
After only three visits.
It was a guy that was like taking a nap every time you go over there or what?
After only three visits, the supervision was discontinued.
Three visits?
And Anders would not even return to respite or foster care after this.
Just stayed with his mom.
Until he was old enough to move out?
Well, we'll see.
So after all this shit, Anders is stuck under the same fucking roof with the woman that
has caused this.
That's abusing him.
Yeah.
He's abuser.
Continuing to live in an abusive household, Anders went to school and continued his antics,
despite concerns being brought up during his evaluations, like we said.
And it's arguably not his fucking fault at all.
You know that he's hurting animals and stuff.
He doesn't know any fucking better.
He thinks that that's what you do to people or things, you know?
Yeah, you hurt them.
While Anders was a young boy in grade school, a fellow classmate recalled that he really
enjoyed bullying other children and making people very upset.
He's probably smiling when he did it too.
So he's nice.
This student, whose name was not mentioned, stated about this quote, if he could make
someone cry, he would gloat and his eyes would sparkle.
He's just a happy little boy.
He's just a happy boy.
Ironically, while attending junior high at Hart's Vigneson's Upper Secondary School,
and also Commerce School, thank you, also into the most...
Also.
The easiest to learn.
A former classmate of his recalled about Anders that he was a very intelligent student,
and while he was much bigger physically than other students, he would often stick up for
kids that were being bullied.
So this is like two different testimonies from two different... peers from two different
schools.
He's probably looking for any fight, whether it be like him bullying someone or him protecting
someone from a bully.
Either way, he's looking for a fight.
That's a good point, actually.
I didn't think about it that way, but you're probably right.
Or I don't know, maybe he was like one last ditch effort to be nice and then it fucking
backfired again, you know?
At age 13, Anders briefly became part of a gang, and he was known to graffiti often.
Oh.
He was a tagger.
He's known to graffiti often.
His tag name was morg.
Morg?
M-O-R-G?
Morg?
And he would tag this name on anything that he tagged.
It wasn't like morg, like... like a morg?
No.
He actually named himself that after an executioner in a Marvel comic who murders his own people.
I didn't really look into that, but yeah, he's just like an executioner.
I thought you meant like a morg, like where you keep bodies.
No.
That would be like pretty cool, but you won't get that far.
Did I say that already?
I don't know.
Okay.
Anyway, so he was known as taking his graffiti much more seriously than his friends, who
also partook, and he was even caught by the police on several occasions for tagging.
Like he was like a big old tagger.
Oh, morg.
Watch out for morg.
Child welfare services were notified again, because he's only like 13 or 14 at this time,
and he was fined on two different occasions for tagging.
Once again, nothing was done by Child Welfare Services to assist Anders and his clear downward
spiral.
And they have fucking files, right?
They have to have files.
Yeah, they have an entire-
Some time sure when they found him or fined him, they were like, oh, this kid has a long
fucking record.
Yeah.
Pass it on to the next person.
Thank you very much.
Double it and what is it?
Double it and he goes to the next person.
According to Venke, Jens seized communication with Anders when he was just 15, and after
he had been caught and fined for one of his graffiti antics in 1995.
So Jens is like, oh, you're criminal in the making.
I don't want anything to do with you.
Yeah, of course.
Well, it was reported that the two had not been in contact since then, but Jens had a
much different story.
He claims that it was Anders who originally cut off contact, stating, quote, I was always
willing to see Anders, unquote, despite his poor behavior.
Well, willing is different than making a concentrated effort to go spend time with your biological
child.
Yeah, so it's kind of unclear whether or not it was the dad that was like, I don't want
anything to do with that or Anders just kind of like didn't reach out.
But then again, Anders is the child here, so you know, you can't really travel to fucking
Paris.
I said biological, but for any parent, any care person, person that you care for.
So at this age as well, so again, he's 15, Anders would leave the gang he had been affiliated
with and joined a different group of people, Norway's Progress Party.
Oh, okay.
This was an anti socialist, anti tax, an anti immigrant group that was very politically
involved and motivated.
So we all kind of see this a lot.
They always get like really radical groups.
Yeah.
Well, a sense of belonging, right?
Yeah, exactly.
We saw that in the Timothy McVeigh case as well.
Yeah, definitely.
Around this same time as well, Anders would spend his spare time on weight training and
would begin to use anabolic steroids.
Yeah.
This is if he wasn't already bigger than everyone.
Yeah.
He began to focus a lot on his image and he would frequently talk negatively about people
that didn't.
He's like, normal.
He wouldn't say normal, but he would be like, fuck, no.
Fuck, ignore me.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
He would just be like, oh, you're not worried about your health, your food news.
How much you bench, bro?
Yeah, things like that.
By the age of 18, he had risen to the post of deputy chairman on the Oslo West Youth
Wing of the Progress Party.
So it's kind of like in a higher position.
Now I wanted to bring up this point because people listening in other countries might
be confused as to why he was not placed in conscription.
So conscription in Norway means that all men and women between the ages of 19 and 44 are
required to conduct military service for 19 months.
Oh, okay.
Essentially it's the same thing as men in the United States signing up for the draft
when they turn 18.
The Norwegian Defense Security Department, which conducts the vetting process for conscription,
stated about Anders personally that he was deemed quote, unfit for service.
Okay.
So he wouldn't have been required to join the draft.
Mm-hmm.
Draft.
And he was also not flagged for being unfit regardless of his past, which is weird.
Okay.
So he wasn't like, when I say he wasn't flagged, I mean he wasn't unfit enough to be like needing
more treatment, but he also wasn't fit enough to have been required to join the military.
Don't give him a gun.
Yeah, exactly.
Funny.
You're funny.
So using his newfound position in the political party, Anders decided that he wanted to try
and run for a higher power and tried to maintain a position in a city election.
Okay.
So personally for him, others saw him as sort of unhinged and unpredictable and he was unable
to reach any higher position than he was already in.
Yeah, he's just a meathead.
Yeah.
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I mean he's also like seriously mentally ill.
Yeah.
It's a fact, you know.
And it's terrible, but I mean thankfully people were able to recognize that and not
give him, put him in a position of power.
Yeah.
So at the age of 21, I mean shit he still fucking does whatever he wants, but at the
age of 21, Anders would work in customer service for a company that declined to be named, working
with quote people from all countries and being quote kind to everyone.
Is it like a call center or something?
Yeah, essentially.
Yeah.
A former coworker would even describe Anders at this time as being a quote exceptional
colleague, although his friends would refer to him as having somewhat of a big ego.
Okay.
So again, putting on this mask for people that he doesn't know very well, kind of letting
his guard down in front of his friends.
Yeah.
Same thing when he did with the psychiatrists years before.
Yeah.
Or the bullies.
Yes.
According to other friends of his, Anders would undergo multiple cosmetic surgeries
in his early 20s, changing his chin, nose, and forehead, but he was ultimately very pleased
with his decision.
So I think when we first did this suggestion, I first read the message, we looked at a picture
of him and I was like, Oh my God, he looks like a domestic terrorist.
I need to Google him because I don't know what he looks like.
Let me show you because I don't want you to Google him and then see what he did.
Oh, I see.
Pause.
Well, first of all, I'm terrified.
Oh, no.
Okay.
That's not the picture I was going to show you.
Oh, that's him.
He's doing the Nazi salute in that photo.
That's terrible.
In court.
Yeah.
I mean, like you got to mention that it's in court.
Yeah.
I'll say it later.
But I mean, like you can see he's had some work done on his face.
He looks like he looks like AI almost.
Yeah.
He looks like he would be Elon Musk's like if Elon Musk and Vladimir Putin had a baby,
that's what he looks like.
He doesn't look real.
Doesn't look real.
Yeah.
He does look like those AI, those automatic generated like pictures of someone.
But he was like, girl, I'm popping.
Like I look good.
I don't need hair.
I was going to say, did he have hair then?
I'm sure he did.
It was in his early 20s, but he doesn't have hair now.
So it's unclear what specifically made onters want to harm other people intentionally instead
of just animals and stuff.
But what we do know is that in 2002, he began what would become a nine year plan to commit
a domestic attack on multiple groups of people.
So like, it's not, I don't want to say out of the blue because it's not, but it kind
of seems like, oh shit, like he was planning this for so long, but he had never harmed
anyone that we know of before.
Right.
Yeah.
Other than beating up children and poking rats with pencils.
Okay.
Let me rephrase.
He never killed anyone.
There we go.
He never killed anyone.
Do you think that he purposely shaved his head because he was part of that area of Nazi
shit?
Yeah.
I think so.
Okay.
As the age of 23, Anders would form his own computer programming business while continuing
to work in customer service.
He would claim that his company grew to six employees and quote, several offshore bank
accounts.
I have six employees.
That was a success for me.
He also claimed that he made his first million kroner at the age of 24, which for those who
don't know, that's the dollar of the Norway.
What was that Jeopardy question?
Remember that?
Yeah.
It was funny that you say that because I thought about that too when I wrote it down.
I don't remember.
Unbeknownst to the people he was bragging to, in reality, Anders' company was legit,
but had been losing a bunch of money over the past couple of years, causing him to have
to move back in with his mother at one point.
Oh, great.
She's just a peach.
And the psychiatrist that he was seeing at this point as well also indicated that his
mental health was deteriorating rapidly alongside his business and it was really affecting his
stability.
So he's still getting mental health treatment.
I'm not sure if it was mandated because of the draft kind of thing we were talking about
or if he just took it upon himself.
Either way, even though his business was failing, Anders continued to work on his idolizations
about his future crimes.
And in May of 2009, he would found a farming company under the name Brevik Geofarm.
Okay.
He would describe this business as a farming sole proprietorship set up to cultivate vegetables,
melons, roots, and tubers.
Tubers?
I don't know what a tuber is.
Probably some sort of veggie.
Do you think it's like roots or probably?
Yeah, probably.
Like what am I trying to say?
Like rhubarb?
Like root vegetables.
Yeah.
Rhubarb or yeah.
What was I just thinking?
In 2010, Anders would visit Prague in an attempt to buy illegal weapons that were not legal
in Norway.
Proud.
Whatever.
No, whatever.
No, it's pronounced Prague.
Is it?
Oh yeah.
I just think it's funny because it's felt like Prague.
I thought you were making fun of me because I couldn't pronounce this right.
We're arresting you under suspicion of...
Proud?
If you're from Prague, I'd like to suggest.
He was unable to obtain these weapons, so he decided that he would just go ahead and
gain them legally in Norway, like other ones, getting specific weapons that were legal for
him.
Not for him, but you know, in the country.
No weapons should be legal for him.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm pretty sure that the military said that, so it must be true.
During this time, Anders was not only using his business to make money, but also as a
cover to obtain large amounts of fertilizer and other chemicals as well.
What are we going to do with that?
How much?
Was it 5,000 pounds?
It was a lot.
I don't know if it was 5,000 pounds, but it was close.
This does sound so similar to Tim and the others.
Thank you.
I know.
I was telling you, I was like, oh my gosh, my case is so similar.
Other than the early life stuff.
Although Tim did feel abandoned.
True.
And from all accounts, it sounded like his mom wasn't really around that much.
And when she was, she would abuse the fuck out of him.
Exactly.
Around this time as well, Anders just seemed like a regular guy to others around him.
His other farmer neighbor described him as being a quote, city dweller who wore expensive
shirts and who knew nothing about rural ways.
Ooh, sassy.
An owner of a local bar who knew Anders as a regular also noticed that there seemed to
be nothing unusual about him.
But again, these people aren't fucking psychiatrists.
Yeah.
He seemed like a nice guy.
Yeah, that's his fucking thing.
He can put it on if he needs to.
Yeah.
He seemed like a nice guy.
What is that from?
He smiles when he's around.
I don't know.
And all you can say is, he seemed like a nice guy.
Oh, it was a Tommy boy.
Oh.
Yeah.
In July of 2011, Anders was noted as visiting his father's new wife and telling her that
he was going to be doing something that would make his father extremely proud.
Was it getting a job and getting mental health treatment?
You'd think.
On July 22nd, quite the opposite.
July 22nd, 2011, Anders would plant and detonate a bomb from a truck outside the office of
Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg in Oslo.
It's the same name as his fucking dad, which is wild.
That is nuts.
And he put it in a truck outside the building.
Oh my gosh.
Just like Timothy.
Y'all stop putting bombs on trucks.
Seriously.
Just don't do it.
It was unclear whether or not the Prime Minister was there during the attack or before, but
he was unharmed.
But he was the incendent target.
He was.
And the bombing unfortunately would kill eight people, an injure at least 209 others.
Oh my gosh.
12 very severely.
Oh my gosh.
While this bombing was horrific, it would be just the beginning of Anders' plan for
the day.
There's more?
Oh it's way worse.
Oh shit.
After setting off the bomb, Anders would travel by boat to the island of Utoia, where a summer
camp by the name of AUF was hosting camp for nearly 600 kids.
Around 5pm the same day, people on the island noticed a man in a police uniform coming onto
the island shore and beginning to be concerned.
Anders would tell the first people he met that he was following up for a security check
because of the bombing.
And it had just happened an hour and a half before this, so he was like, oh I just want
to make sure everyone's okay.
Did you guys know anybody that was part of the bombing?
Unfortunately Anders was not finished with his sinister acts and he would ultimately
begin opening fire on anyone and everyone that he could see.
Just 26 minutes after reaching the island.
Was this a kids camp?
So camp counselors and children I want to say as young as like, probably like 10 to 18.
Not being able to defend themselves, hundreds of kids watched in horror as Anders made his
way around the island shooting anybody in his path.
Other people on the island would hear loud banging noises but didn't really know where
they were coming from because they were so far away.
They were probably thinking fireworks, I mean it's a kids camp.
So they didn't know where the shots or noises were coming from until they did, essentially.
This horrific attack from Anders would last nearly one whole hour.
Many of the campers on the island were teenagers and some were able to phone police right when
the shooting started.
However, since they were on an island it would take authorities until 6.25 to reach them,
so almost an hour later.
Anders killing people the entire time that the police are trying to make their way.
That's fucking terrifying.
Unfortunately during this time some people knew that police had been phoned and since
Anders was in a police uniform it was the perfect cover to get close to them before
killing them.
Well and the fact that he talked to them for what you said 20 minutes before he started
he was trying to lull them into like safety for the trap.
Many children tried to play dead and even positioned their bodies to make it look like
they were dead, but somehow it seemed like Anders remembered his path and every single
person that he killed so when he came across the kids that were playing dead he would shoot
them in the head one by one.
It's so awful.
Like I said police would get to the island about an hour after the first calls were made
as there was a shortage of helicopters actually that delayed their response.
I bet it's because of the bombing, I mean that's the whole point of it probably, was
to distract everybody.
The police presence would be huge because this is a politician and yeah I'm sure helicopters
and everything were over in that area not worried about shooting.
Yeah I think that was absolutely his plan.
By the time police arrived on the island Anders Braavik had killed 66 people, the youngest
being just 14 years old.
Police walked through the bodies on the island hearing numerous cell phones going off as
they searched for Anders.
Oh my god that's heartbreaking.
That makes me like wanna seize.
Like my body like clamps up like hearing that.
Minutes after police arrived Anders would just surrender himself and be captured by police.
Yeah got makeovers.
It's me.
I did it.
After they captured Anders police would hold him on the island overnight in order to make
their way around the rest of the island and also question him before bringing him in.
And it was probably getting dark, it was probably safer just to keep him on the island.
He would be moved to a cell in Oslo after they returned to the mainland.
Anders would almost immediately admit to his crimes stating that the purpose of his attack
was to save Norway and Western Europe from a Muslim takeover and that the Labour Party,
the people that founded the camp, had to quote, pay the price for letting down Norway and the
Norwegian people.
Cause that makes fucking sense right?
What?
I was gonna say what's wrong with this guy but he just told me the entire story of his
life.
After his arrest Anders would then begin referring to himself as quote, the greatest monster
since Quisling.
For those of you who don't know I had to look it up too.
Vidkun Quisling was a politician in Norway during the Nazis capture of the country and
when he left office he essentially created a fascist group and tried to become super
powerful.
So he thinks he's just the coolest guy ever.
Yeah, he's like boss.
He would actually, this guy, what's his name?
Quisling.
He would be arrested and found guilty of embezzlement, murder and high treason against the Norwegian
state and was sentenced to death in 1945.
So he's like all about like the Nazi party and like died before the war was even over.
So I'm sure Derz at this point is like, like I don't know, wants the same fate?
Well he wants to be infamous is exactly what he wants at this point.
So this guy was very infamous in Norway and apparently Anders idolized him.
Anders Anders.
Anders.
He's Anders.
Due to the fact that Anders admitted to being the perpetrator of not only the island massacre
but the bombing as well, he was immediately charged with both attacks.
On July 25th, three days after the attack, Anders was also charged with violating section
147A of the Norwegian criminal code, which is anti-terrorism provision.
So you're like, yeah, I'm a terrorist and I, you know, committed the crime.
He's like, I'm not a terrorist.
He is.
I mean, that's what he is.
Yeah, exactly.
He's crazy.
He would also be charged with quote, establishing or destroying basic functions of society and
quote, creating serious fear in the population, which is like kind of a cool thing to be
charged with.
You created serious fear in the population.
You created serious fear.
Well, that is like, I don't know.
I think they call it something else now.
Yeah, they do.
If you purposely create chaos, it's a chargeable offense.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's like filing a false police report.
It's a felony.
Well, did you see that dumbass, the video of them in a restaurant or something and
he screams, he's got a gun.
Yeah, no, I fucking hate those videos.
I was telling Casey that yesterday.
He's like, oh, it's so funny.
I'm like, what is funny about that?
What is funny?
He's screaming, help, help.
He has a gun.
Like in today's society, you fucking serious.
Absolutely not.
In case he was like, no, it's not funny.
He's like, it's just so like wild that he would do that.
It is.
It's like, it's fatfully.
It's wild that that creates such a fear response now in our society.
You could literally give someone a heart attack or like, you know, like a panic or whatever.
People trampling each other trying to get out of a building.
It happens.
I mean, he used to happen all the time at like concerts and shit.
You know, I mean, it's awful.
But yeah, I mean, you could totally incite getting someone killed.
Yeah, absolutely.
In the weeks following the attacks, more victims would succumb to their injuries from the shootings
and the death toll would rise to 80 in total, making the attacks the deadliest in Norway
since World War Two.
What?
Yes.
Since World War Two.
Yes.
And I feel like that's only unbelievable because we grow up, like, you know, with mass
shootings.
Yeah.
Exactly.
And this was in 2011, so it was way before.
And it's also in Norway, you know, so it's not, you know, it's not like here where every
fucking day is another mass shooting, which is awful.
In early March, 2012, Anders would be indicted on the charges.
The director of public prosecutions had initially decided to censor the document to the public,
which would leave out the names of the victims as well as details about their deaths.
They are minors as well.
Right.
So that's probably why.
However, the public would react very poorly to this and the decision was reversed prior
to the release of the documents.
Yeah, and they deserve respect.
Well, yeah, and I'm sure people were like, fuck that.
We're not gonna, like, cover up what he did.
We want the world to see what this asshole did, you know.
Anders was kept at Isla Prison after his arrest, where he had access to three different
prison cells, one where he would rest, sleep, and watch TV, another where he was set up
with a computer without internet but still access, and a third gym cell had a gym equipment
for him to be able to work out in.
Which one did he poop in?
Why does he need all this shit for?
Like, sorry.
He's got a toilet and every single one.
Yeah, he doesn't need all that shit.
He doesn't need all that shit.
Let him fucking get, like, dick fall off from the steroids and his muscles deteriorate.
To be fair, he's probably the only prisoner in that Norway prison.
So only selected prison staff with specific credentials were allowed to be around him
and the staff were told not to let his presence as a high security prisoner affect any of
the other inmates.
Oh, okay.
So they kept him secluded.
That's probably why he had all these extra things though.
While he was incarcerated, police obviously searched his personal belongings at home
and they found a 1518 page manifesto that he had left.
Do you see 1000?
1518 pages manifesto entitled, quote, 2083, a European Declaration of Independence.
Ew, ew, ew.
You're not fucking cool.
You're not, like, you're a Nazi.
What?
God.
In the manifesto, he raged against multiculturalism, liberalism, and Muslims, also while describing
his attack in brutal detail and meticulous planning.
Obviously he wrote it before the attack, but what he was going to do.
Some quotes from the manifesto are as follows.
Oh, great.
I can't wait.
The whole thing, it was way too long.
You tried though?
No, I didn't.
Okay, good.
I actually couldn't find the whole thing.
It's not available, I don't think.
I'm going to upload that shit and translate it.
Translate it.
Quote, I've spent a total of nine years of my life working on this project.
Quote, I took a year off when I was 25 and played World of Warcraft, PVE Hardcore for
a year.
I'm currently playing Modern Warfare 2 casually.
Soups cash.
Quote, stealing is bad, I admit, but then again, when you've devoted your entire life
to a good cause, you can allow yourself some naughtiness, especially if I can contribute
to converse your funds, cough, winky face.
Yes, yes, no one's perfect with the, like the pee, like the tongue sticking out face.
Like wait, without the, well clearly not the emoji, right?
It's the colon.
Yes.
It's the colon with the little bloop.
Like LOL.
LOL.
Yeah.
And quote.
However, since I manifest their worst nightmare in parentheses, talking about Systematical and
Organized Traders, they'll probably just give me the full propaganda rate package and
propagate the following accusations.
Pedophile, Engages and Incest Activities, Homosexual, Psycho, ADHD, They're, Non-Educated,
Imbrid, Maniac, Insane, Monster, etc.
I'll be labeled as the biggest monster ever witnessed since World War II.
End quote.
Ewwew.
Left tongue emoji.
Ewwew.
LOL.
Cough, cough.
Winky face.
And when I say winky face, I'm sure everyone knows like semi-colon clothes for the seas.
Yeah.
Oh gosh.
Emojies.
Like where you have to type it.
Oh well.
Be the biggest cringy person ever since World War II.
So over the next several months, Anders would be interviewed and examined by court appointed
psychiatrist.
Yeah, they did.
Was there any, he labeled himself as a pedophile.
Was there anything that-
He didn't, he's saying that people are gonna assume these things about me.
Right.
He's like I'll be labeled as this.
Exactly, but I mean most, more than half of the stuff that he said is kinda correct.
Yeah.
So I was wondering if there was any documentation of him messing around with kids or anything.
Not that I found, no.
I mean he's just saying it didn't happen, but not that I found.
Yeah.
But then again that wasn't really his thing.
I know that his mom like sexualized him when he was younger.
I don't think he was ever sexually abused and usually, I don't wanna say usually, but
we see it a lot where someone that sexually abuses was sexually abused themselves.
I don't think he was ever sexually abused.
He was definitely abused, but I don't know if he was ever sexually abused.
But he was sexualized.
And the whole lies.
He was sexualized for sure.
I wonder if he had fantasies about kids.
I have no idea and who knows what the fuck happened during that hour on the island.
So again he was interviewed by multiple psychiatrists.
He would be diagnosed by multiple of them as well with paranoid schizophrenia, concluding
that he had developed the disorder over time and was psychotic at the time that he carried
out the attacks and at the time of observation.
Oh gosh, I can't wait to hear what the sentencing is.
So his mom and then his grandmother also had that same diagnosis.
He was also diagnosed with abuse of non-dependence producing substances prior to the attacks.
Non-dependence producing substances, so non-addictive substances, he was abusing them prior to
the attacks.
Like weed?
Yeah.
Or the steroids I guess.
Yeah, exactly.
Something that won't develop addiction.
So for listeners that don't know, the determination of being criminally insane means that the
person did not know they were committing a crime or could not understand that their actions
were wrong while committing a crime.
According to the report, Anders displayed an appropriate and blunted affect and a severe
lack of empathy.
He referred to himself as the future regent of Norway.
This is someone who would be appointed in the case that their current leader couldn't
complete their duties.
I had to look at that.
He also referred to himself as a master of life and death while calling himself, quote,
inordinately loving and, quote, Europe's most perfect knight since World War II.
Oh my god, he's such a white knight.
He's fucking obsessed with World War II also.
He's such a white knight.
I bet he holds the door open for girls and tips his fedora of malady.
Shows them his skinned head.
I was gonna say show them their sword collection.
Who was that that had a sword recently?
Oh, it was when he tried to give the kid his sword to kill his wife with.
Yeah, he's like, oh, here's my sword.
Oh, my god.
Just my wife still alive right here.
Gosh.
Inconvenient.
That's the, I keep wanting to say assassin, but it's the hired hitman episode.
Oh my gosh.
That one was so fun.
It was fun.
Anders also described his plans to carry out, quote, further executions of categories
A, B, and C traitors by the thousands.
So in his manifesto, he was essentially saying like, if I'm not caught, I'm gonna continue
to do this.
He wanted to organize Norwegians and reservations for the purpose of selective breeding and was
also determined to be suicidal and homicidal at the time of his evaluation.
Oh my gosh, this is disgusting.
Breeding.
Just the word.
The word breeding.
It's like, ew.
According to his defense attorney, Anders expressed surprise and felt insulted by the
findings and the report, but later said, quote, this provides new opportunities for fucking
for what?
Prison.
For what?
God.
The outcome of Anders first evaluation was heavily debated by mental health experts
as they did not think that he was criminally insane.
According to the senior psychiatrist who was commissioned by the prison to examine Anders,
remember the people that have already examined him were with the court.
These are with guys with the prison.
His name is a Randy Rosenquist.
I love the Quist.
They're so, I mean, just the last name.
Yes.
Anything with Quist at the end is amazing.
According to Randy, Anders rather appeared to have personality disorders.
On January 13th, 2012, the Oslo District Court ordered a second expert panel to evaluate
Anders mental state.
He initially refused to cooperate with these new psychiatrists, but eventually changed his
mind and a new evaluation took place in late February of 2012.
In the pre-trial hearing in February, Anders read a prepared statement demanding to be
released and treated as a hero for his quote, preemptive attack against traitors accused
of planning cultural genocide.
So you don't want people to commit cultural genocide, but you want selective fucking
breeding?
Like that's an oxymoron.
What do you mean?
He's the hero we don't deserve and never asked for.
He also stated, quote, they are committing or planning to commit cultural destruction,
including deconstruction of the Norwegian ethnic group and deconstruction of Norwegian
culture.
This is the same as ethnic cleansing.
You said you wanted that, didn't you?
Yeah.
Sorry.
For yourself.
Like screaming into the microphone.
Okay, so now in Norway, it's a little bit different than here in the States.
So if their original diagnosis of criminally insane was upheld by the court, it would
have meant that Anders could not have been sentenced to prison at all.
The prosecution could instead have requested that he be detained in a psychiatric hospital
and medical advice would then have determined whether or not the courts release him at some
point later.
Shortly after the second evaluation took place, the prosecution announced that they expected
Anders would be found legally insane.
Expected.
On April 10th, 2012, the second evaluation was published with the finding that Anders
was not psychotic during the attacks and he was not psychotic during the evaluation.
Okay.
Instead, they diagnosed him with an, with antisocial personality disorder and narcissistic
personality disorder.
Uh, seems a little mild, but uh, okay.
A letter was written to several Norwegian newspapers by Anders during this time, urging
the courts to find him sane.
He stated, quote, I must admit this is the worst thing that could have happened to me
as it is the ultimate humiliation.
To send a political activist to a mental hospital is more sadistic and evil than to kill him,
exclamation point.
It is a fate worse than death.
You know what's humiliating?
The fact that you took out this rage or whatever you have going on on innocent children that
are unarmed, that's, that's embarrassing.
That's embarrassing.
You should feel like the ultimate piece of shit because how is that not humiliating?
He's not like you went in, it's not like you were a war hero.
Yeah.
You know?
You decimated children.
No, and that's what he's saying.
He's like, I am the hero.
Like, I don't understand why you guys think that I did anything wrong.
I did this to prevent a worse attack.
You should be thanking me.
It's embarrassing for you to say that I'm crazy.
Well, if the shoe fucking fits.
Yeah, you pussy.
God.
On June 8th, 2012, professor of psychiatry, Ulrich Frederick Malt, testified in court
as an expert witness stating that he found it very unlikely that Anders suffered from
schizophrenia.
According to Ulrich, it was much more likely that Anders had Asperger's syndrome, Tourette's
syndrome, narcissistic personality disorder, and possibly paranoid psychosis.
So if you haven't been counting, this is now the eighth diagnosis he's received.
Do you think he has delusional disorder?
Actually I don't know.
You might as well pepper that in there too, just for shiggles.
You might as well have delusional disorder as well.
Just for shiggles.
Which I think you had actually mentioned earlier.
Delusions.
He had delusions.
Yeah.
So again, eighth different diagnosis.
He's been diagnosed with different things multiple times, but this is like the eighth
different.
However, this time, Ulrich listed a number of factors to back up his suggestion.
Deviant behavior as a child, extreme specialization in Anders's study of weapons and bomb technology,
strange facial expressions, a remarkable way of talking and an obsession with numbers.
So he's backing up his suspected diagnosis of Asperger's syndrome, Tourette's syndrome,
narcissistic personality disorder, and psychosis.
But not an OCD.
No.
But Asperger's syndrome I think also has a numbers solution.
Eric Johansson, a psychiatrist who had spoken with Anders for over 20 hours, disagreed.
He stated that Anders was lying, it was not delusional or psychotic.
He's just full of shit.
He's just a fucking liar.
On August 24th, 2012, Anders was ruled sane at the time the crimes were committed and
sentenced to preventative detention for a period of 21 years, the maximum penalty in
Norway, with a minimum non-parole period of 10 years.
This allows the court to continue Anders' detention indefinitely, five years at a time,
for as long as the prosecuting authority deems it necessary to protect society.
So essentially, they can continue to extend his sentence as long as they feel necessary
to keep people safe.
Anders would plead not guilty but did not appeal the sentence as it was handed down,
and on September 8th, the media announced that the verdict was final.
Also in August of 2012, an independent inquest to the attacks were completed, harshly criticizing
the actions of Norwegian law enforcement and intelligence agencies.
The July 22nd commission, which took its name from the date of the attacks, ruled that police
could have prevented the incident or disrupted it when it was occurring.
The findings of the report led to the resignation of numerous officials, including Norway's
National Police Chief.
So they realized that they fucked up.
I don't know if it was the helicopter thing that they were mad about, but essentially
they're saying you could have gotten their way fucking faster.
Or you could have been more present at the political building and caught him before he
even got over there.
Yeah, for an hour.
In January of 2022, a three-day trial began at Telemark District Court to decide whether
or not to uphold the DA's refusal of parole for Anders.
The indictment stated that the prosecuting authority does not consent to parole because,
quote, preventative detention is deemed necessary to protect society.
So they're like, no, he's fucking saying.
At the start of the trial, Anders gave Nazi salutes to both the judge and members of the
public in the courtroom, which is the photo that he saw.
Anders testified that he is still a Nazi and will continue to work for white power, but
no longer wanted to pursue it through violence.
Which I read that I was like, white power.
Doing white-
Fucking Timothy McFay.
He's working white power for Jesus now?
Yeah.
He said that he is trying to register a Nazi political party in Norway and is applying
aspiring to be a candidate running for parliamentary election.
So he's trying to like reinstate the Nazi party.
Is he not getting ongoing help in prison?
I don't know.
I doubt it.
I mean, if he's still fucking talking about shit like this, probably not.
I mean, I guess there are technically non-mentally ill neo-Nazis, but this man clearly needs help.
Yeah, absolutely.
There were many witnesses that took the stand over the three days, but ultimately the court's
decision was upheld and Anders remained in prison.
So as of 2022, another court appearance will not be available for at least two years.
So next year he will have the option to go back to court, but they're probably going
to extend it again.
He's only 44, so he'll most likely try to get released again if he continues to give
a spiel about trying to reinstate the Nazi party.
I'm sure they'll be like, yeah, you can stay.
Maybe hang out a little longer.
So like I said, the manifest is so long, there's so much more information about it online,
but just for time's sake, I decided not to read all 1500 pages.
Yeah, thanks.
And the island events are also very specifically laid out online as well.
If you want to read more about that, you can definitely find it, but that is that case.
What a doozy.
I know.
It's a great recommendation, honestly, to do this case.
Yeah, I think so.
I know it's right off the heels of Tim and Mick Vey, but everybody knows how we do.
We don't tell each other what cases we're going to do.
So Kenna had no idea last week that I was doing something pretty similar, somebody with
similar ideals about what they think should happen in the world.
But yeah, you know, yeah.
Wow.
I know.
I was like, I was researching this and I was like, everything just kept coming, especially
with his childhood.
I was like, man, I feel so bad for that little kid.
His mom was clearly just uninterested and taking care of him.
She had another daughter too, and I didn't hear anything significant about her, but who
knows what her childhood was like.
Yeah.
Well, you did say that she was much older than, not much, but I mean, I think she was
like 13 years older than Anders.
Yeah.
But yeah.
But she lived with, I mean, when he was a baby, she lived with him, the younger daughter,
you know.
I don't know, but yeah, that's that story, and if you're in Norway and you have any say
in the political system, don't let him out.
Yeah, seriously.
I don't think that he'll be released, especially if he's still trying to say like today that
he wants to like become a politician and start this like new, like reinstate the Nazi party.
Like that's essentially what he's saying.
Yeah.
If I get out, I'm going to run for election in this, you know, new party, which is not,
well, it was not going to happen.
There's no way.
I don't even said it was the worst attack on Norway soil since World War II.
Yeah.
They're going to let this fucker out.
I would hope not.
And that's honestly like real, of course, the whole thing is tragic.
I think it's really telling that he genuinely thinks that he was doing it.
If, whether he thinks that or not, he's preaching that he, he says that he did it for the right
reasons.
Yeah.
I did it because I wanted to prevent a bigger counterattack or a bigger future attack or
whatever.
Whether he really believes that or not.
Yeah.
That's what he's saying.
If he really, truly believes that, then he's very clearly super mentally ill.
If he doesn't believe that, then he might have a psychosis or he might be a psychopath,
honestly, because no one just makes something like that up for shiggles.
For shiggles.
But yeah, so that's my case.
Yeah.
Timmy Thimmevee was kind of that way too.
He thought that this was in retaliation for Waco and that it was going to give people
to wake up and, you know, and revolutionize, you know, the way that the government participates
in these things.
And maybe they'll think twice before serving a warrant.
Yeah.
But just, I don't know, it's just all awful.
And like, honestly, I truly believe had he gotten the help he needed when he was little,
then he, this probably wouldn't have happened.
He would have been raised, hopefully, in a loving family that taught that you don't harm
people and you don't, you know, not everyone's out to get you and against you and stuff.
And it might, you know, very well might be delusional disorder, who knows, especially
now that he's in his 40s and he's still having these conversations with people.
Right.
I don't know.
But yeah, that's my case.
Thanks for bringing it.
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Yeah.
We should get like pictures of Thai with his, what is it?
Is he the lady shirt?
Is he the lady?
And put it on our Instagram.
Yeah, for sure.
All right.
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