Hello!
Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer, the Minty Breakie.
I am Koelle.
The Minty Breakie, I'm Kenna.
I think it's funny, like, for some listeners, they're probably like, what the fuck?
What the fuck is a minty breakie?
I thought the caption said mental breakdown, but they said minty breakie.
Minty breakie!
Not on the inside jokes yet.
So true.
How's it going?
Good.
I feel like we're both kind of in that mood today.
Yeah.
A little bit.
Just kind of neurotic.
A little in my head.
A little nothing.
Panic attacky?
Yeah.
Cool.
It's just something.
I had, like, a full on, like, chest tightness when I was coming back from the grocery store
and I was just like, oh my god, oh my god, just get home, just get home, just get home.
I hate that.
It's just, it's finals week, so it's been a little rough.
I, you know, wrote a four to five page essay, literally just yesterday.
Yeah.
But I got a 100 on it.
Nice.
And another reason I think I was a little panicky is because I was thinking about it before
I got my grade and I was hanging out with a friend of mine last night and I was looking
at the criteria and I was like, oh my god, I didn't meet that criteria.
Oh my god, I didn't meet that criteria.
I didn't do that.
I mean, I kind of did, but I kind of didn't.
And like, I just started obsessing about it and I probably didn't go to bed until like
five o'clock this morning.
Geez.
And then I had to get up with my son, get him on the bus ready to go at six.
So it was just, ugh.
Nice and late.
And then I slept too late and then I was like forced myself to get up and like take a shower.
And put on just like a little bit of makeup at least.
And then try to run some errands.
I wanted to go walk around with my kiddo like at the mall or something just to kind of get
out of the house.
And he was like, I just want to go home.
And I was like, damn it.
Damn it.
Kidding around all day.
You know, so exactly.
Exactly.
He just wanted to be at home.
So he's like, can we just pick up ice cream and go home?
And I was like, yeah, that sounds good.
Yeah.
Yeah, I've been really good like the last week or so.
We went to Houston with our family.
I think I'm sure you guys saw on Instagram, but that kind of made us, not made us, but
we got up early and then we got up early than the day before and a couple of days after.
So I've been doing really well about getting up before noon.
You know, at least it's not super early, but you know, and today I just was so tired.
I got up at 8 30 with Casey because I had picked it up yesterday so he didn't have his
truck.
So I took him home and then I came back and I was like, I'm just going to sleep for like
another hour.
And then before I knew it, it was fucking 2 30 and I was still asleep.
I was like, God, I guess I needed it though.
But that's kind of what makes me feel like a little shitty.
You know, when I sleep all day, I feel like really bad about myself mentally and I'm like,
it makes me feel like physically sick.
And then I'm like, I just like kind of get hard on myself.
But I just kind of remind myself that like, okay, you're fine.
You didn't miss any responsibilities.
It's not like you missed work or you missed something on appointment.
Yeah, exactly.
So I'm kind of reminding myself like right now this last week before I start my new job,
like I can kind of take advantage of the extra time that I have, right?
It's not a negative if I'm getting caught up in sleep.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
I definitely feel that way sometimes where I'm like, actually, I don't.
I never feel that way where I'm like, oh, I just wasted my day because like I tend to
try to like shove everything that I need to do on the span of a few hours anyways.
Usually when I clean the house, I'll have to remind myself you don't have to do everything
right now.
So I am definitely one of those people that to me, a restful day is just as important
as a busy day when you need it.
Yeah, see, I feel, I don't know, I can't help but feel guilty personally like when I sleep
all day.
And it's not like, again, I'm missing something, but like, I imagine like, okay, if I would
have been up at eight, what could I have done, you know, this whole time when I was just
sleeping and then I feel guilty because I'm like, everyone else is awake, you know what?
And it's again, person to person, it varies and I shouldn't feel bad or be hard on myself
about that.
But it's something that I'm working on.
Yeah, you always say I'm not bad at something, I'm just trying to get better at it.
So that's what I'm trying to get better at this week.
It usually hits me by like day two or three.
If it's day two or three and I've done that three days in a row, then I'm like, okay,
I need to talk to somebody.
Yeah, but you know me, it's like, I've never been the kind of person that just likes to
relax.
Like I always have to be doing something and I've been given shit about it my entire
life by people like, why do you always have to be doing something?
You can never be bored.
You can never be this and that.
I'm like, yeah, because then I'll just get in my head and I'll get depressed.
I'll get depressed.
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she was like, oh my God, she's like, I want to know where to buy the merch.
And you know, if you can, I would love to have like a shirt that says she loves it when
we start laughing at something really inappropriate.
Let me go, it's not funny, it's not funny.
It's not funny, it's not funny.
And you're like, it's kind of funny.
It's kind of funny.
So we made a shirt that says it's not funny a bunch of times and then the very bottom
it says it's kind of funny.
I like the way those came out.
Sorry.
Which I really like.
I think that was funny.
I like the way that those came out.
They looked really cool.
I like the sticker on that one too.
Yeah, for sure.
And shout out Katie.
Thanks for always giving us all the love and appreciation.
She's like, is it weird if I buy a ticket to like do the meet and greet in August?
Like in Austin, even though I already know you get some like no.
Not at all.
Yeah, so I actually sent her, I got a Facebook invite for my 10 year high school reunion this
year.
Wow.
Your 10 year high school reunion?
Yes.
And I walked into the living room.
You're still nine.
I walked into the living room the other night and I was like, hey mom, do you want me to
make you feel old really quick?
And she was like, what?
I was like my 10 year high school reunion this year.
She goes, yeah, you know what actually makes me feel old?
She's like, it's been a fucking 40 years since I graduated high school.
Crazy.
But yeah, no, we're doing that.
It's in October.
I actually want to go.
I've been sending it to like a bunch of the people in my grade.
But you know, Casey, he's not like a big like event type of person unless it's like hunting
or fishing.
Bullshit.
No, he likes going out.
But he likes going out with his friends.
He does.
Well, he has a really good style.
He does.
He likes to show it off.
He wants to say like, oh, I can't dress myself for shit.
Like I look like shit.
You know, he like eats up the compliments.
He does.
Yeah.
But get it.
But he, for the listeners that don't know, Casey graduated a year after me in high school.
So he was like, OK, well, if we go to yours, we have to go to mine next year.
And I'm like, yes, like I want to see everyone.
Like it's not like, here's the thing, like we're going with a group of people or everyone
that I know that's going like we still currently hang out with.
So it's just going to be like a hangout with all of our friends.
It's not going to be like a, OK, let's talk to this person we haven't talked to in 10
years.
And if that happens and that happens, you know, but as far as the people that I know
that are going, I still communicate, I texted it to all of them.
You know what I mean?
Like we're still homies.
But yeah, I'm really excited about that.
For me, it's kind of the same feel, but no one that I really hang out with was really
in my age group.
I guess I always had kind of like older friends or sometimes younger friends.
So it wouldn't really make any sense.
I hang out with Tawney.
I hang out with, you know, James.
I hang out with people that I.
That didn't go to school with them.
Well, did, but wouldn't it be in the high school reunion thing?
It would just be a lot of like, you know, like jocks and cheerleaders.
Come on, bro.
Well, I mean, yeah, like that sounds, if I was in the same situation, I didn't hang
out with a lot of people from high school.
I wouldn't probably go either.
But I was always something that I felt really cool with like the high school reunions.
I always thought that was a cool thing.
And then I was like, how do people get like people's addresses?
I know there used to be like the address book and shit like that, but I was wondering
like how they were going to set it up this year.
And I didn't even know that it was like supposed to be the class president or something that
did it.
And apparently the guy that was our class president, I'm not even sure how many think
I know his name.
I think he's like, he lives out of the country.
I like heard that through the grapevine.
So like, okay, so it's another girl.
I think she was like second in the class.
That's pretty good on.
But yeah, super excited and we're going to have to go two years in a row in case he's
like filmed out.
But you know, he's like, going to be looking for life.
But yeah, that's, that's all I got.
I think that's all you.
I didn't know where I thought you were going to rewind it so we can see where we're starting
out.
Yeah, we had to pause for something and then I didn't know what to say.
I mean, it was a silence.
Silence.
So today's mental breakdown is going to be about hypnotherapy and hypnosis.
Okay, cool.
Are you going to hypnotize me like on the podcast?
Maybe we'll see.
Okay, let's try it out.
So people have been practicing hypnosis and meditation for of course thousands of years.
But the first recorded ever account of hypnosis or tramps was actually in 1027 by a Persian
physician.
Yeah.
Okay.
It was like in his writings.
He was Persian.
Hypnosis that we know today began in the 18th century when a physician by the name of Franz
Mesmer began to use hypnosis in order to see if there was any correlation between the brain
and the overall health of the body.
Okay.
In my mind I'm like, well, yeah, duh.
Yeah, but this is the 18th century.
They didn't even have gravity.
They thought that the spleen caused hysteria.
It was a traveling womb.
The traveling womb.
So back then it was called mesmerism, which also now we know the word like being to be
mesmerized by something is from this man's last name, Mesmer.
Oh, cool.
I always like to know where things came from, like the origin of the word.
Yeah, what do they call that?
Eptomology?
Is that what it's called?
I think that's what eptomology is.
It's the origin of words.
Yeah.
Yeah, so mesmerized, to be mesmerized.
At one point critics claimed that in order to be hypnotized, here it goes.
Oh, God.
Ladies and gentlemen.
You have to be married?
You had to be suffering from hysteria, which of course we all know is a woman's disease.
Of course.
So you could only be hypnotized if you had hysteria, a.k.a. if you were a woman.
Okay, so we're going to experiment on the women.
I'm going to try something because if something goes wrong, they're just women.
They're just like birth of the entire human race.
What could go wrong?
That reminded me of explaining the little bunny for the cruelty-free symbol, like in
cosmetics to mom.
And she didn't know that most cosmetic companies were experimenting on rabbits because they
have such sensitive fur and skin.
And mom started crying.
She did.
She got teary-eyed.
She's like, that's so sad.
This was like a few months ago.
So always look for the bunny mom.
Don't buy anything that doesn't have a little bunny on it.
Yeah, I try to do cruelty-free, especially makeup.
Most things, like any kind of like soap or shampoo or anything like that, I always try
to do cruelty-free.
I can't speak for all Pantene products, but there was that one that was the rose scent
that was supposed to be like the natural stuff.
Didn't have it on there.
Pissed.
Well, if it doesn't have it on there, I still look it up because sometimes there is one
that doesn't have the bunny, but it's still cruelty-free.
So I always Google it.
Yeah.
My whole thing with certification, things like that, is that if they pay for the certification,
you would think they would put it on the product because that's how they're going to
sell a product.
Exactly.
And obviously they want, like they feel like maybe they will sell more products if the
label's on there.
Of course.
I remember telling that to Casey one time because I was looking for it and I was like,
do you know what that means?
Like a foundation or something and he's like, oh, I was like cruelty-free.
He goes, oh yeah, they test stuff on animals and I was like, yeah, I like to buy products
so that hopefully one day they won't have to test on animals anymore.
He was like, well, how will we test our products?
And he wasn't trying to be like, wow, we just are probably, he was just asking.
I was like, do you realize how many dumb humans would be likely to want to get paid to do
something like that?
I was like, people do sleep studies all the time.
They donate organs.
They do medical studies.
It's the same thing.
I was like, you think people wouldn't want to get paid for that?
He's like, you know what, that's a good point.
And the cosmetics industry or the beauty industry has come so far that we typically know already
what's going to be a skin irritant and what's not.
So it's not really like you're putting these people in grave danger.
It's not exposing them to radiation.
It's not like it's like lead based.
Anyway.
Yes.
Test on humans only.
So of course this would ultimately be dismissed.
The fact that you just, because hysteria, ha ha.
So in the late 19th century, it was proven that men could also be hypnotized as well.
Wow.
What a concept.
Oh, but not because they would be hysterical because of another newfound reason.
Like PTSD.
Well, yeah, probably.
I mean, yeah, that's, they're always fine or whatever they called it.
It's just a bummer that they were like, you can't be hysterical, but there's clearly
something going on with you.
So we'll just find another word for it rather than just saying, maybe hysteria is not a fucking
thing.
Maybe it's a mental thing.
Maybe it's a fucking mental thing.
It was the 70s.
There was a firefight.
It wasn't the 70s, but I saw it like that.
So Freud would actually study hypnotism as well, and he mostly used it to bring repressed
memories to the surface.
His own, right?
Well, I'm serious.
Didn't he try it on himself?
Oh, probably.
Yeah.
Yeah, probably.
Well, he also had those other, what else did he test on himself?
He claimed he had hysteria too.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
He diagnosed himself with something that was like, what?
You know, back then.
And he's like, don't have a uterus.
Fucking Freud out here just breaking stigmas.
Breaking stigmas.
So, bring a stigmata Freud.
Okay, that didn't land.
So he would call these hypnoanalysis or regression hypnotherapy.
So this is like kind of the first time we're hearing the word hypnotherapy.
Yeah.
So later Freud would slowly phase out using hypnotherapy to pursue psychoanalytics, which
we know.
But it was definitely a big part of something that he studied.
Clark L. Hull was the first to produce a book full of hypnotic studies called Hypnosis
and Suggestibility in 1933.
Suggestibility, wow.
So that's like gaslighting.
It's like an old timey word for gaslighting.
So essentially, and we kind of talk about this a little bit as well later on, but you
always think of hypnosis as you hypnotize someone and then you have them squawk like
a chicken or something.
The power of suggestibility.
So that's what they're saying is that during this state of hypnosis or this consciousness
that you are easily suggestible or easily suggestible, taking people's suggestions
easily.
Easily influenced or?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't know why my words just went away.
This collection of studies were some of the first behavioral psychology studies ever.
And they proved that hypnosis and sleep were actually two different stages of consciousness
because everybody just was like, oh, you're just putting them to sleep.
Can you bark in your sleep?
Don't think so.
Dogs come back in their sleep.
Not brown frogs.
They're not green.
Not women.
So when someone is in a hypnotic state versus sleeping, they may be easily suggestible,
right?
So these writings would eventually inspire Ivan Pavlov for his famous Pavlov's Dogs
experiment.
Pavlonian.
The Pavlonian response.
Yeah.
Isn't that incredible though?
He read this book and was like, oh, the power of suggestibility or like, you know.
Yeah.
I always thought that was interesting.
When you learn about people in history, like for example, Plato and Aristotle, I don't
know, I always don't remember which one's the mentor, which one's the mentee, but whoever
was the mentor, like the mentee like took his ideas and ran with them.
I'm like, I would always feel like such a dumb dumb if I was the one that like kind
of came up with it and then someone else used my theory and like got really.
Zuckerberg.
Or yeah, or like, like made it like famous or whatever.
It's like, you say a joke and then someone else says it louder and then they get credit
for it.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, okay, fuck you.
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Today's hypnosis or hypnotherapy may be used for a million different types of reasons.
Some artists or actors have actually used hypnosis in order to create, art or achieve
a certain character that they want to portray.
Oh, interesting.
Oh, ho.
Sports players have actually used hypnosis in order to induce positive visualizations
for their game coming up.
Okay, I've heard of that.
In psychology treatments, however, hypnosis is commonly used to treat depression, addictions,
sleep disorders, phobias and PTSD.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense because I was actually going to pepper this in there
that when I was going through a little bit more intensive therapy than I am now, my therapist
was actually EMDR certified.
For the listeners that don't know what that is, it's apid eye movement desensitization
and reprocessing therapy.
It involves closing your eyes and kind of doing, like when your eyes do and your rims
sleep where they move rapidly, you kind of induce that with lights on the outside and
it helps you process traumatic things that you've experienced in the past.
The goal is to help you heal from that trauma or bring some of it to the surface so that
you can process it.
But it has to do with almost putting you in like a hypnotic state where your eyes are
closed, all the lights are out in the room, it's really quiet, really dark, there's like
a buzzing in the background and then sometimes they use lights.
I think you can use noise, I'm not exactly sure.
But she had suggested that that might be something I look into in the future and I never took
her up on it, but it's still something that I think about like today.
It might be something that would work for me.
Right.
Hypnototherapy isn't just used for psychological benefits, but studies have also shown that
hypnotherapy may be used for physical treatments as well.
There have been reasonable successes in menopause symptoms, IBS symptoms, pain management, and
even soothing sensitive skin.
Okay.
Isn't that interesting then?
That is interesting.
I think of like IBS though, and I'm like, what if you relax too much and then you poop
yourself?
I'm sorry.
I thought I had IBS for a while, that's why.
But I think maybe like when you feel the symptoms coming on and we will be talking about self-hypnosis
at home.
Yeah, it's kind of like breathe through the pain, right?
Kind of like the same idea.
Like meditation.
Or like the, what's it called?
When you breathe a certain way throughout your pregnancy, what's it called?
The, you know, like the class beforehand, the maus?
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
It's kind of like that.
You look to me because I'm the only one in the room with a baby and I was like, I don't
fucking know.
I don't know.
I don't know, fucking breathing.
Like that.
Which doesn't really work.
It doesn't work.
I just held my breath, which you're not supposed to do.
Oh my god.
Pass out.
You're not supposed to do that.
Jesus.
Literally they would have been like, okay, you can't do that.
You need to breathe.
Your oxygen levels are dropping.
Oh, I'm good right here.
I'm fine.
What are you doing?
So some have actually quit smoking and some have actually attributed hypnosis to their
weight loss as well.
Oh, that's interesting with like kind of self-control maybe?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, absolutely.
Although hypnosis has proven to be beneficial in some of these areas, it is important to
realize that it is only being recognized currently as an alternative medicine.
And this is not a cure for any of these conditions.
Yeah.
Just keep that in mind, everybody.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, you've heard about, and there are doctors at practice like what's it called
external medicine or something like that.
There are different types and they do alternative medicine.
Alternative medicine.
Thank you.
And there are other specialties and things like that.
Of course.
But you definitely should get checked out in general for like any secondary doctor.
Some side effects of hypnosis or hypnotherapy may be headaches, increased anxiety, and
dizziness.
It also has the potential to create false memories if you use them improperly.
If you use them.
Oh, what did you say?
What did you say?
Oh, God.
Rolanda.
I said it earlier.
I was like, remind me to say this.
The last episode that we did in the very beginning when we were talking about Richard
Matt and David Sweat, I said that Richard was born in Rolanda instead of, no, I said
Rana Wanda.
Instead of Tana Wanda or Tana Wanda.
And it was a typo and I was just reading it blindly without even thinking about it.
And then I proceeded to go on through the rest of the episode and say Tana Wanda instead
of Rana Wanda.
So just to be clear, that was an accident on my part.
And I didn't even fucking hear it when I was editing.
Air for me.
So he was born in Tana Wanda.
And I'm pretty sure that we actually talked about that last episode too, how we say something
and the other person doesn't even fucking recognize it.
And then you said you even, excuse me, you said you even listened to the episode later
and still didn't recognize it.
But yeah, anyway, just to clear that up, I can say Air for Base, I don't say Spoked
About in real life.
But I say Eusen.
So.
Eusen.
So because hypnotherapy is utilized in certain situations where you maybe are bringing up
or pressed memories, if the suggestibility is there and you accept that, it can create
a false memory.
I can see that.
And it kind of sounds like the tactic that they may use when they would police get like
a false confession or something.
Like they tell you something so many times, they beat you down, they don't let you sleep,
they don't give you like food or water or anything like that.
And then all of a sudden they're like, yeah, I must have killed the guy or whatever.
I must have.
That's what you're telling me.
If that's what the evidence says, then I have to believe you, you're a police officer.
No, that's fucking gross.
That's fucking scary.
I don't like that they can lie to you in a terrarium like that.
So there are some, there is some importance to implementing good practices before you
hit your hypnotherapy session.
Wear comfortable clothing in order to make the session a little bit more relaxing.
Okay, right?
Yeah.
Self-explanatory.
Go into your session believing the process.
If you go in with your walls up, it'll be harder for your therapist to guide you during
your experience.
Absolutely.
And I try to do that honestly like everyday, Louis.
Like I don't try to go into something having a preconceived notion of what I think is gonna
happen because then I mean, they're gonna be disappointed or I'm gonna feel like a dick
for like not thinking the best about it.
Like when I meet someone new, if they make a poor first impression, especially if they've
like, if we've been drinking, I always really try to tell myself, okay, don't write them
off just yet.
Unless they're like an asshole, you know what I mean?
But if they're just being a little annoying, I'm like, don't write them off just yet.
They might just not be on their game tonight or whatever.
I'll give them another chance as a friend that happened to me the other day.
That's why I was thinking about it.
Yeah, but absolutely go into your session because with a positive attitude because the
worst thing that can happen is it just doesn't work or it doesn't work for you.
It's not something that you want to experience again, but at least you tried your best.
Yeah.
And that goes for any kind of therapy, not just hypnotic therapy.
Right.
Make sure you get a good night's rest before the night of your session.
This will avoid falling asleep.
Of course.
It will.
Right?
Which I'm sure some people do.
Yeah.
Get familiar with your hypnotist.
This report will allow you to trust the therapist and will likely ease you during your session
as well.
Yeah.
Like you feel comfortable with that person and it'll just relax you more.
Well, it's kind of like doing a job interview, right?
You want to know a little bit about the company.
You want to hear like employee testimonials or something like that.
Like same thing when you're looking for a new doctor.
I always look at client testimonials or ratings and stuff to see if I really line up with
this person.
Yeah.
Which we did the other day and we couldn't find a restaurant because we were like,
how do I want to go somewhere with bad service?
Why do I want to go somewhere with like cockroaches on the floor?
Yeah.
No.
And then there was one place that was like, the food is amazing, but the service is terrible.
And I'm like, is it worth it though?
Yeah.
Because it wasn't just one person.
It was a bunch of people that were saying that.
Well, and then the place that we went to, it was like the food was amazing, but our
server was amazing.
Amazing.
Okay.
We have to talk about it.
There's one restaurant.
We were in Sugarland, Houston essentially.
Yeah.
Texas Sugarland.
And there's this restaurant and it's called Rupor and it's R-O-U-X-P-O-U-R.
Like a play on rapport.
Yes, rapport.
And there's four locations and there's only two small yeas or maybe one and he was the
only one in Stax.
And he was our waiter.
Oh my gosh.
He was amazing.
Go to Rupor in Sugarland, Texas.
Ask for Stax.
He was amazing.
And so the food was good, but the service was exceptional and it made the food better.
It did.
It was just so good.
We had the most.
The most amazing oysters.
We had kawala and I shared raw oysters that were in a, there was a ponzu sauce that had
garlic, cilantro and.
The minyat.
Yeah.
And it had like red pepper flakes I think and it was a minyat and it was cilantro.
And then we had all, we all had fish.
It was just us and our dad.
We all had fish.
We had plates.
Red fish.
I had the mahi, he had the red fish.
You had the halibut, which was on the special and with the blackened.
It was delicious.
So amazing.
And I wish I had known that there was chicken in the rice.
Yeah.
I didn't know that there was chicken in the rice and I don't do that.
So.
And I don't do that.
I don't do that.
I don't do chicken.
I don't test my animals and I don't eat them.
Thank you very much.
Anyway, but yeah, that was a really great restaurant.
Stax, if you're listening, cause we gave you our card.
Hey.
Hey, how's it going?
Well, it's for his wife cause he said his wife was a true crime person.
Stax's wife, if you're listening.
Hey, hey.
Oh, that was a great night.
Yeah.
10 out of 10 would recommend.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
As for Stax.
So another great way to prepare for your hypnotherapy would to be practice self-hypnosis at home.
And this not only helps reduce stress in your everyday life, but it will also prepare your
mind for each upcoming session as well.
Okay.
Cool.
So people who are diagnosed with certain psychosis or schizotypal diagnosis are not
good candidates for hypnotherapy.
The patient may be suggested into hallucinations or delusions.
So it's not good.
Talk to your GP about it though to see if that's something that y'all could work around.
That makes sense.
And honestly, I feel like hypnosis or any kind of doctor that does that alternative medicine
are as well trained to recognize signs of that.
So I'm sure that if they did take on a client and they recognize that client might be struggling
with schizophrenia disorder or something like that, then they would refer them to a different
type of therapist.
As well as someone with substance abuse disorder, the exploration of self just in general may
trigger further substance abuse given the fact that one of the side effects is heightened
anxiety or depression.
That makes sense.
And honestly, people that abuse drugs, especially psychedelic drugs, might not benefit from
it as well because it might induce those, especially if they've had a bad experience
with those drugs.
Sure.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Of course, if you don't find hypnosis helpful or you're still experiencing the same symptoms
of chronic pain, especially or substance abuse, anxiety, depression, and so on, talk to your
doctor immediately.
Do not wait for the hypnotherapy to kick in or work for you.
And also, you can be treated at the same time with both, honestly.
Talk to your GP, medication, and the hypnotherapy.
You can still continue to do that, but don't use it as your only form of access to care.
Yeah, I think what might be beneficial, honestly, especially if someone is already going to
talk therapy or something and they already have a psychologist or psychiatrist, just
ask them for their advice and see if it would be a good fit for you.
Of course.
Self-hypnosis can also be very beneficial.
We talked about that earlier, especially if practiced every day.
So some steps in self-hypnosis.
Oh, okay, try me.
Okay.
So first...
We just said it wasn't even sleeping and I'm sorry.
Oops, find a comfortable place and either in a sitting or laying down position, begin
to relax all of your muscles in order, starting with your hands, your wrists.
Oh, I do this.
Your arms.
I do this too.
Every night when I go to bed.
I feel like it's weird to do it when you're sitting and not like...
No, yeah.
Well, you can rest your hands in your lap.
You don't have to be by your side.
I did that earlier, actually.
Really?
Yeah.
See, you rest your arms and your shoulders, of course, your neck, your head, your chest.
Your tummy, one by one, all the way down to your toes.
Once completely relaxed, you introduce what your goal is.
Is it to quit smoking?
Is it to overcome anxiety?
It can also be as simple as having a positive outlook on your day.
Find a mantra to think about and manifest it.
Quitting smoking is easy for me.
My day is going to go well today.
I am confident when I speak to others.
Say these words to yourself and believe in them.
Or say them as many times as you need to in order to believe them.
There is no time limit here.
This is your time.
Take however long you need.
I feel like I'm listening to a self-help audiobook because my eyes are closed.
Headspace.
Oh, I get a free subscription to that with my new job.
Do you really?
Yeah.
Jelly.
Excited to try it out.
When you are ready, you make the decision to take this experience with you throughout
your day.
Count backwards or inhale and exhale into your usual level of alertness.
And enjoy.
Eyes shut open.
Shit.
I'm alert now.
Hypnosis and hypnotherapy.
Wow, that was awesome.
Yeah, there's tons of resources online.
Maybe we should do a resource tab on that.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
That's not something that we necessarily, or at least I don't necessarily engage in
meditation and stuff like that.
But we've already talked about how beneficial that can be and I really want to look into
it.
I've just been lazy about it and just haven't taken the time to do so.
But I think it's really beneficial, especially like health and body and mind, like getting
kind of grounded, not spiritually, but with your soul and stuff like that.
Remember when I talked about self-care and self-help?
Yeah.
It was funny because earlier when I told you guys that I was in the car and I was coming
home from the grocery store and I was like losing my shit and I walk in and I told mom,
I was like, I need a minute to myself.
And she's like, okay, so she took my kid over to the kitchen and they started doing stuff
together.
And I did that.
It only took me, you know, I only did it for about six or seven minutes, but I sat on
my bed and I told my body to relax and whenever I felt like my body was comfortable enough,
I was telling myself, if your body is still, then your mind is still.
And I was telling my brain, I'm like, I know you're trying to protect me right now, but
this isn't working.
It's not a scary situation.
Yeah.
It's like this, this, again, it's one of those things that we said it served me at one time
and now it no longer serves me.
So I was just saying, if my body is calm, then, you know, essentially shut the fuck
up because I was like, you know, my body is calm, my mind can be calm, my body is calm,
therefore my mind is calm.
And I just kept saying that over and over again.
And I exhaled myself out of it instead of counting.
Yeah.
That's something that I have to remind myself too.
Like sometimes I'm really hard on myself when I start to freak out.
I'll be like, shut up, shut the fuck up, like shut up, you know, instead of being nice to
myself.
Or I have someone slap my hand.
I'll be like, you are so annoying right now, like shut up.
But no, yeah, that's something that I really try to work on as well.
Like, you know, and I'm for the listeners that don't really know much about anxiety.
I think we do have a mental breakdown on generalized anxiety disorder or something along the lines.
So definitely go listen to that if you haven't.
But I will just say, just to remind people as well, like anxiety is noted as being this
thing that like it's a defense mechanism that doesn't need to be there.
Like your body, for some reason we've adapted to recognize danger when it's not life or
death, but when it's just something small, your brain tricks you into thinking it's life
or death.
So we got a fight or flight.
Exactly.
And even if your mind is not telling you that you're in danger, your brain and the, you
know, things that are firing in your brain are saying, oh shit, and that's why you get
the sweaty palms and the racing heartbeat and all that stuff.
So I have to remind myself, you're safe, you're good, you know, especially if I'm in bed and
like doors are locked, we have people with us, you know, you're safe, everyone's home,
you know, things like that just remind myself of the positive and sometimes it works and
other times it doesn't.
Like right now I'm getting anxiety talking about anxiety.
And caffeine does not help.
I'm drinking a giant tea.
I had chugged a bunch of iced coffee too is probably what it is.
No cream, no sugar, just straight caffeine.
Oh God.
And I could feel my heart racing and I was like shh shh shh shh shh shh shh.
I was like, get home, get home, get home, get home.
Home, get home, get home.
I was trying to bed for five minutes.
Sometimes you just gotta let it out.
That's true.
Well, that was awesome.
Thanks for bringing that talk.
Yeah.
I like that one.
I hope it was like, I feel like it was enough information but also like it wasn't just statistical
boring stuff too.
Yeah.
It was fun.
I like these mental breakdowns too.
I think I've said it before, we can just kind of like chat and like share stories throughout
our day because it's kind of hard to do that in the middle of a case, especially if it's
like really serious.
I don't want to be like, oh by the way, I got a flat tire earlier.
Like, well this person got murdered, your life's not what a bummer.
So yeah, it is nice to just be able to kind of recoup and chat.
Yeah.
Talk therapy, y'all.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, if you guys want to know anything about us, no.
If you guys want to message us is what I was going to say and email us.
We've been getting some really cool emails and stuff and we have a mental breakdown probably
next week.
So that's one that was suggested by one of our listeners and I will shout them out when
that time comes.
And then we will be back on Thursday with another case.
And thank you guys for being so patient with our delayed case last week.
Like we said on the Instagram, we did have a family thing we had to go to kind of last
second, but I'm glad that we made the trip because everyone was healthy and everyone
is good.
And we got to spend some much needed time with our cousin.
Benhamin.
Yeah.
So we love you guys and we will see you later.
Yeah.
Okay.
Bye.
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