1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,000 Hello. 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Hello. 3 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,240 Are you trying different hellos now? 4 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,040 The last time was very like, hello? 5 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:08,960 Like just different hellos. 6 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:09,960 I don't know. 7 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:10,960 I'm trying out different ones. 8 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:11,960 I thought you said are you trying to run hellos? 9 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:12,960 I was like, well it's my case. 10 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,960 I always say hello first when it's my case. 11 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,520 No, I said are you trying out different ones? 12 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:17,520 Yes. 13 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,520 That's um, hello hello. 14 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:20,520 Hello? 15 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,520 Remember when I did that one? 16 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:23,520 No. 17 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:24,520 I'm your dad. 18 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:31,520 That's from Grace. 19 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:49,880 Hi everyone, my name is Kenna. 20 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,560 I'm Koelle and welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer. 21 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,000 I think this is like our 45th episode. 22 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Is that really? 23 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,000 I think. 24 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,200 It's either the 44th or 45th. 25 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:00,200 Not including mental breakdowns. 26 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,200 Yeah, but like the actual cases. 27 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,400 And not including Albert Fish. 28 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,120 And not including Fish. 29 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,400 Dang, we've been doing this for quite a while. 30 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,120 I feel like we're kind of getting, I mean we've got, we got into the groove a long 31 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,080 time ago, but I feel like now it's like we have a bunch of bulk. 32 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,920 Now we're getting a lot of traction because people see our page and it's not like, oh 33 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:20,920 they have five episodes. 34 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:21,920 It's like, oh they have a bunch. 35 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,960 Like I could at least binge this for a little while until they, you know, get caught up 36 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:27,360 and then we make some new ones. 37 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:28,360 Right. 38 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,760 For those of you that are new listening here, we do two episodes per week. 39 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:36,480 We do one mental breakdown on Mondays and then we do a regular case on Thursdays. 40 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:43,000 If you join our tier two and three memberships on Patreon, you will have access to a third 41 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,600 additional bonus episode just for you on the 29th of each month. 42 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,880 So that just came out and that was Albert Fish. 43 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,120 And those are a little bit more graphic. 44 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,440 We try to do not so super gore on the podcast. 45 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,080 Of course it's true crime, so it's never going to be PG. 46 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,080 Right. 47 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,480 But not super intense because I'll tell you what, Albert Fish made me gnawsh as fuck. 48 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:03,880 Yeah, it was a little nauseating. 49 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,600 But yeah, well thank you guys for joining us for another episode. 50 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,080 I'm really excited about this one. 51 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,800 I feel like I said it every time now. 52 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,640 But before we get started, you want to shout out our short. 53 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:17,280 Check out diagnosingatkiller.com. 54 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,240 Where you can find links to merch, resources, and more. 55 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:27,560 Hit us up on any other social media platform at diagnosingatkiller, other than Twitter, 56 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,360 which is at KillerDiagnosis. 57 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:34,080 Email us, rate us, listen to us, buy our merch. 58 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,080 Live laugh love. 59 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,080 Live laugh love. 60 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,080 D.A.K. 61 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,080 Yeah. 62 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,080 I almost said B.T.K. 63 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,080 Live laugh lurk. 64 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,080 Live laugh lurk. 65 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,080 That's funny. 66 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,080 I like that. 67 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,400 Yeah, and then just a reminder to people that are, again, new. 68 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,080 And a reminder, I guess, an announcement. 69 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,320 We are going to be hosts at the True Crime Paranormal Podcast Festival in Austin, Texas 70 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,440 in August. 71 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:54,440 So get your tickets. 72 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,640 You could access the discount code on our website. 73 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:01,640 Well, it's drinking coffee. 74 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:04,000 You can access the discount code on our website. 75 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,040 You get 15% off of that. 76 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,640 And I think that's all we got, right? 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99 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:44,560 Okay. 100 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:51,360 So today, we are going to be talking about not one, but two people. 101 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,480 And their names are Richard Matt and David Sweat. 102 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,560 It's literally spelled like sweat. 103 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:59,560 Matt and sweat. 104 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:00,560 Matt and sweat. 105 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:01,560 Like sweaty Matt. 106 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:02,560 Like SWEAT. 107 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,560 That's sweat, right? 108 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:04,560 Yeah. 109 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,560 We'll never call him sweat because it's sweaty. 110 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:07,560 Sweaty, daddy. 111 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:08,560 Do they sound familiar? 112 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:09,560 Sweaty, daddy. 113 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,560 Not daddy, daddy, but sweaty daddy. 114 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,560 I mean, he was probably quite sweaty. 115 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:16,560 Yeah, he was probably both. 116 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,560 Anyway, that's not this topic today. 117 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:19,560 Okay. 118 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,560 We are talking about Richard Matt and David Sweat. 119 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:22,560 Okay. 120 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,560 Matt, no. 121 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:24,560 Wait. 122 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,560 Richard David. 123 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:26,560 Richard Matt and David Sweat. 124 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:27,560 Richard and David. 125 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,560 Okay. 126 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,560 Richard Matt, David Sweat. 127 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,560 John, okay. 128 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,040 So we are going to be talking about Richard first. 129 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,040 Okay. 130 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,040 So we're just going to focus on him for a second. 131 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,040 Okay. 132 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,040 Do I know this? 133 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,040 I might know it. 134 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,040 It's going to come full circle later on. 135 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,040 So you might. 136 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,040 Oh, is it? 137 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,040 Okay. 138 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,040 No, never mind. 139 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,040 Go ahead. 140 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,040 I would not be surprised if you knew it. 141 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,040 Okay. 142 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:55,880 Richard William Matt was born on June 25th, 1966 in Rona Wanda, New York, or Rona Wanda. 143 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:00,040 He was the youngest of two boys, his older brother being Robert Matt, which is so funny. 144 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,040 He's like, Dose Nome Brays. 145 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,040 Actually, 146 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,040 Matt and Richard Matt. 147 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,040 Richard Matt is Trace Nome Brays because his name is Richard William Matt. 148 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,040 Trace 3 first name. 149 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,040 Trace Nome Brays. 150 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:17,040 When Richard was just an infant, he was reportedly left in a hot car for a significant amount 151 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,040 of time. 152 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,040 But this is from one source. 153 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,040 It's not widely reported. 154 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,040 However, kind of seems like it might be true. 155 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,040 I was watching videos like that yesterday about like people rescuing babies from hot 156 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,040 cars. 157 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,040 It's fucking terrifying. 158 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,040 How do you do that? 159 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,040 That's so gross. 160 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,040 This one woman was like, I left my baby in the backseat because she was sleeping and 161 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,040 I didn't want to wake her up, but she left the car running. 162 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,040 She's like, well, I didn't leave her in the heat. 163 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,880 It's like, yeah, but anybody can just steal your baby. 164 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:41,880 Steal your child. 165 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:42,880 Yeah. 166 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:43,880 Baby nap. 167 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,040 Mom and dad's new car says, like when you turn it off, it says like check rear items 168 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,240 for, or rear seat for items or whatever. 169 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,240 Yeah. 170 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,240 Like make sure you got everything. 171 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:52,240 Yeah. 172 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,320 That's fucking so lame that you have to put that to make people not forget their fucking 173 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:55,320 kids. 174 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,040 Well, there's that one dad that left his kid in the car, a swore that like he'd left, 175 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,040 like he didn't know for like 12 hours. 176 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,040 No. 177 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,040 He went to work. 178 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,920 Oh, and then he came halfway. 179 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,680 Like the whole point was like, they were saying, how do you not know that you had a baby in 180 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,200 the car because he went to his car halfway, like during lunch halfway through his day 181 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,680 and then still went back inside and like worked. 182 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:15,680 Okay. 183 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:16,680 That was on purpose. 184 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:17,680 I think so. 185 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:18,680 Just speculating. 186 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:19,680 I don't even know the case. 187 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:20,680 That's awful. 188 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,560 So there's not much known about Richard's biological parents since both of the boys were 189 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,680 put up in foster care early in life. 190 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:26,680 Okay. 191 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:31,280 But Richard's biological father, Robert, was known as having a significant criminal record. 192 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,280 Hmm, it's already happening. 193 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:37,560 So clearly his parents probably weren't maybe the greatest if they were put into foster 194 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,200 care and they left him in a hot car. 195 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:41,200 Yeah, exactly. 196 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,200 Great. 197 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,840 So Richard's father, Robert, his brother's name is Robert, but his father's name is 198 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:45,840 also Robert. 199 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:50,040 So Robert Sr. had been previously arrested for things including assault, burglary, criminal 200 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,600 possession of stolen property and issuing bad checks. 201 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,120 Okay, maybe not the best parents. 202 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,600 I mean issuing bad checks, sure, but assault. 203 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:58,600 No thanks. 204 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,800 Like that's excusable. 205 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,320 White color crimes. 206 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,320 Sto-stupid. 207 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:08,440 Robert, Matt is believed to be dead, his father, but there's no substantial record on him 208 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,120 again, so we really don't know. 209 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:11,120 But I'm sure he is by now. 210 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:12,120 Yeah, probably. 211 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,120 His kid was born in 66. 212 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:14,120 In 66. 213 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,120 He's probably dead. 214 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:16,120 Yeah. 215 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:21,120 Richard and his brother were taken in by Vern Eden and his wife, who was not named. 216 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,200 This is their foster parents. 217 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,920 So they would actually enroll both of the boys in Little League. 218 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,120 Like, ugh, so sweet. 219 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,480 Like, okay, we're gonna take you and make you. 220 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:31,480 Do you want babies? 221 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:32,480 Is that weird to me right now? 222 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:33,480 You want your babies in Little League? 223 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,040 Well, my babies are definitely gonna be in Little League for sure. 224 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,040 My boys. 225 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,880 I just think it's sweet that they just immediately kind of got to try to get them socialized. 226 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,280 They put them in sports, and you know, clearly they're like, they're not just like, okay, 227 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,920 you know, just have you, just deal with it. 228 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,640 So beginning life on a rough patch, it's no surprise that Richard was known for having 229 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,920 behavioral issues throughout grade school, which included terrorizing children on the 230 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:57,920 school bus. 231 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:58,920 Oh. 232 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,240 And I was like, I was so scared of when your son got not bullied, but like talked to a 233 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,240 certain way on the school bus. 234 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:04,240 And I was like, I just want to talk to him. 235 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,240 Who is he? 236 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,240 Yeah, I just want to talk to him. 237 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,240 Oh, is it kid's name? 238 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,240 No, I didn't even want to know. 239 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,740 I didn't want to know the kid's name because if I knew, it would be a problem. 240 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:11,740 Yeah, he lives in our neighborhood. 241 00:08:11,740 --> 00:08:12,740 So yeah, I know. 242 00:08:12,740 --> 00:08:14,880 Where's his house? 243 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,960 So one of Richard's childhood friends who chose to remain anonymous stated about him 244 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:26,000 at this time, quote, funny kid, always funny, always had a big smile on his face, but you 245 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,160 know, just couldn't stay out of trouble. 246 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,040 He tried to beat me up at the playground. 247 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,920 That's the first time I ever met him. 248 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,080 That was my first initiation with Rick Matt. 249 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,480 He was just bully. 250 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,280 Once I got into ninth grade and stuff, my father started helping him out and stuff. 251 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,880 He came to live with my dad for a little while, and that wasn't the only time he tried to 252 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:43,880 help him. 253 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,920 He was always trying to help him ever since he was 12 years old. 254 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,840 So this kid clearly knew him throughout childhood. 255 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,800 When Richard was in his early teens, he stole a houseboat and was sent to a group home after 256 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,080 being caught. 257 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,760 So early teens, I guess he'd maybe he chose that he didn't want to be in the foster home 258 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:07,080 or maybe the parents were like, okay, clearly like we can't, we don't know how to handle 259 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,360 his behavioral issues. 260 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:10,640 They want to send him to a group home. 261 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,360 Sure, that might be the best route for him to go. 262 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,280 This would not last long, however, and he would escape this group home by stealing a 263 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,960 horse and riding it off into the sunset. 264 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,960 In the 70s? 265 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:23,960 Yeah. 266 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,240 After escaping the group home, he hid from capture in Allegheny State Park, if I said 267 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,560 that wrong, sorry, New Yorkers. 268 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:34,560 Although he seemed to love the thrill of life, his behavior was most definitely an act, and 269 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:39,480 Richard was actually very depressed and lost under the surface. 270 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,920 This same childhood friend who remained anonymous had had a father who was close with Richard 271 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,240 as a child, like I said, and he treated Richard as like a second son. 272 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,600 This father would later recall an event of Richard's childhood that scarred him. 273 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,560 When Richard was just 15, he had been in and out of foster homes so many times that he 274 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:57,200 had had enough. 275 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,120 The father recalled his incident, quote, Rick opened the door. 276 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,560 He was standing in the door with his hands down at his sides, facing his hands open, 277 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:10,400 and he had a knife in one hand, and he had cut himself 30 to 40 times all over his wrists, 278 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,440 arms, there was blood all over the place. 279 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:13,440 Oh my God. 280 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,720 And quote, God, it's so awful. 281 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,360 It's like this kid that you see as like a son and you just go to like greet him one 282 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:20,360 day and he's like. 283 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:21,360 Yeah. 284 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:22,360 Bleeding. 285 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,360 Hands out. 286 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,360 Oh, that's so scary. 287 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,360 I know. 288 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,200 This boy's father would describe Richard as both a jekyll and Hyde, but in the end he 289 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,160 was more tempted by his destructive side. 290 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,600 Richard's friend would later recall as well, quote, he told my father at one point he wanted 291 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,080 to be a police officer, you know, when he was younger, 15 years old or whatever. 292 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,560 But that side to him, it was almost like an addiction. 293 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:44,560 Hmm. 294 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:45,560 Referring to like his dark side. 295 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:46,560 Yeah. 296 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:50,000 Richard and his brother seemed to be criminals from the very beginning, almost as if they 297 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,600 were born into it. 298 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,160 On top of Richard's crimes, Robert had his own list of arrests from past crimes. 299 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:03,720 He was arrested four times between 1985 and 1989 for burglary, larceny, and assault, although 300 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,080 the two brothers were not known to have committed any crimes together. 301 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,000 So they just became just like their father. 302 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Yeah. 303 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,000 Or at least Richard's father. 304 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,120 I'm not sure if they have the same dad. 305 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,640 Richard was seen as a low grade criminal that was usually involved in burglaries and thefts, 306 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,720 and he got really into drugs during this time as well, quickly developing a reputation 307 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,240 for violence. 308 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,880 He would be arrested eight different times in the late 1980s and early 90s, and even 309 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,320 gained a nickname with the police department, Ricky Matt. 310 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,320 Ricky Matt. 311 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:33,320 Ricky Matt. 312 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:34,320 Oh, Ricky Matt. 313 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:35,320 Ricky Bobby. 314 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,320 Exactly. 315 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:42,120 He was taken into custody for one or more of these crimes and was serving time. 316 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:47,120 However, he was still battling with his alter ego of wanting to become part of law enforcement, 317 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,720 and this, along with him probably getting a lesser sentence, gave way for Richard to 318 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,000 become a criminal informant for several years in the 1980s. 319 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,920 Well, it seems like it would work out. 320 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:56,920 Yeah. 321 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:57,920 It's a little bit of both, right? 322 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:58,920 Mm-hmm. 323 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,560 Tauna Wanda police captain, Frederick Foles, who was a patrolman when Richard first became 324 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:06,640 known around town, said that Richard was just a small-time thug. 325 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,920 He said, quote, one time he beat up a girl pretty bad. 326 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,120 He got charged for assault in the second degree. 327 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,120 That's a felony. 328 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,320 But the things he was charged with later in life, wow. 329 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,320 Ooh. 330 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,360 Poor shadowing. 331 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:26,200 In June 1986, Richard climbed a fence in the Erie County Correctional Facility, where 332 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:31,720 he was being held for a one-year sentence for assault and escaped. 333 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:36,360 Richard was able to evade police capture for four whole days, but he made a mistake when 334 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,880 he hopped on a freight train to his brother Robert's house in Tauna Wanda, where he was 335 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:40,880 ultimately apprehended. 336 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,440 I was going to say, what do you think the police are going to do? 337 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:45,440 Immediately go to your family. 338 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,440 Immediately going to go to your family. 339 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,720 So he was able to escape again this jail because he was serving sometime. 340 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,520 No, he's back in jail. 341 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,520 Even though he fucking escaped, Richard was somehow able to remain a criminal informant 342 00:12:58,520 --> 00:12:59,520 for the police. 343 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,080 I guess they don't care as long as they're getting their guys, right? 344 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:03,080 Yeah. 345 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,880 Yeah, you escaped to keep giving us info, you know? 346 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,200 If anything, it's a good story because, you know what I mean? 347 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,000 They're going to be like, oh, did you spend any time in jail or prison? 348 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,560 And be like, yeah, actually, I just got out or whatever. 349 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:13,560 Like, it's all real. 350 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:14,560 I just escaped. 351 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:16,080 I just escaped. 352 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:21,720 In 1991, Richard became involved in a murder for hire scheme when he met fellow inmate 353 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,840 David Testar. 354 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,160 Is Richard blonde? 355 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:26,160 No. 356 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:27,160 Okay. 357 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,160 Well, I don't know. 358 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,840 He has like, he had like really short hair in the photos I saw. 359 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:31,840 Yeah. 360 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,320 But it looked dark. 361 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,440 David was a California native who was actually married to the granddaughter of a Warner Bros. 362 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:38,440 founder. 363 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,440 Oh. 364 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:40,440 And this isn't the same David from earlier. 365 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:41,440 This is a different David. 366 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,440 It's a different David. 367 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:43,440 Oh, there's always so many David. 368 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:44,440 I know. 369 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,560 What was that one we were listening to where the guy had like two David's that he was 370 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:47,560 married? 371 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:48,560 Yeah, it was Catherine. 372 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:49,560 It was David, David and John-John. 373 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:50,560 Oh, it was Catherine. 374 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:51,560 I'm speaking for some reason. 375 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:52,560 It was a male. 376 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:53,560 Yeah, it was David, David and John-John. 377 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:54,560 David, David and John and John. 378 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:55,560 Yeah. 379 00:13:55,560 --> 00:14:01,040 But somebody, no, who else had, it was a man that was in a relationship with a David. 380 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,040 Oh, the Patrick Hurney? 381 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,920 Yeah, I think it was Hurney. 382 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:04,920 Yeah. 383 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:11,000 So, David, this guy, had found himself in jail after allegations that he embezzled $1.6 384 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,560 million from his wife. 385 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:13,560 Wow. 386 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:15,520 Again, she's the granddaughter of Warner Bros. 387 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:16,520 So wealthy. 388 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:17,520 And in the 70s? 389 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:18,520 80s. 390 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,040 This isn't probably the early 90s. 391 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,000 Oh, early 90s, my bad. 392 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,720 Richard and David would become quote friends while in prison and Richard was able to convince 393 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,000 David to put up Richard's $15,000 bail. 394 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,000 He would have been- 395 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,000 He would have been- 396 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,000 He would have been- 397 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,880 Yeah, Richard told David, hey, put up my bail for me. 398 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,480 So, I can go take care of business for you on the outside. 399 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,480 Okay. 400 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,240 This would have been 33 grand today. 401 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:47,240 David agreed to pay Richard's bail with the agreement that once Richard was a free man, 402 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:52,920 he would kill David's wife, ultimately ruining his upcoming trial about his embezzlement. 403 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,800 So, he's like, if my wife's dead, then there's no one to finger me for the crime I haven't 404 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:58,800 got to do. 405 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:59,800 Yeah. 406 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,760 I hear people do that though, or they try to at least. 407 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:02,760 Yeah. 408 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,760 Isn't this super interesting though that I just did a contract killing? 409 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,080 And then it came up. 410 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Also, just to put the timeline into perspective, Richard is only 25 years old at this time. 411 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,000 LOL. 412 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,280 He's asking a fucking 25 year old to go and become a master assassin. 413 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:17,280 The novice. 414 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:18,280 Yeah, exactly. 415 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,000 He's the novice. 416 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,600 Along with killing David's wife, Richard was also asked to kill a former business partner 417 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:26,600 of the Telstars. 418 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,600 So, I guess another person that could finger him for the crime. 419 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:30,600 What are the Telstars? 420 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:31,760 That's David's last name. 421 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:32,760 Oh, oh, I'm sorry. 422 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:33,760 It's okay. 423 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:38,600 So, David paid Richard's bail and Richard was released for the time being on charges 424 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,320 of rape and assault. 425 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,640 So again, he's not like, I'm sure this is clear, but he's not like not going to get 426 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:45,640 tried. 427 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,080 He's just out until he waits for his hit. 428 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,160 Yeah, it's just a bond. 429 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,160 Yeah. 430 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,480 Instead of following through with his promises to kill David's wife and old business partner, 431 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,760 of course, Richard immediately went to authorities to turn David in for trying to hire him. 432 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,760 Dang, that's savage. 433 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:01,760 He's an informant. 434 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:02,760 Yeah, it's true. 435 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,480 Well, and he could use the time off too. 436 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,480 Yeah, exactly. 437 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,640 Richard told authorities that David, quote, told him where to find the intended victims 438 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,440 and what to do with their bodies. 439 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,920 He also stated that David's instructions, quote, were to burn Desiree's body so that 440 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,200 no one could identify it. 441 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,200 Oh, that's so fucked up. 442 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,200 That's his wife, obviously. 443 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,200 Yeah, right. 444 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,200 So no one could identify it. 445 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,320 Like, I guess my wife just disappeared. 446 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,440 I guess she really doesn't want to make these allegations against me. 447 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:30,440 Yeah, I guess she doesn't want to. 448 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:31,440 Yeah. 449 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,160 She really went into hiding because she was so scared of me. 450 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,880 Richard expressed his concerns to police that he thought that there may be a, quote, backup 451 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,800 killer, like in case he bailed. 452 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:40,800 Yeah. 453 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,600 So police issued him a bulletproof vest just in case. 454 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,120 It's like, dumb and dumber. 455 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:47,520 What if they shot me in the head? 456 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,000 What if they shot me in the head? 457 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,800 That was a risk we were willing to take. 458 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:51,800 Yeah, exactly. 459 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,000 But they're like, yeah, here, just thanks for your cooperation. 460 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,760 Here's a bulletproof fucking vest just in case you got God. 461 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:58,760 Just for fun. 462 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,200 Yeah, it's nice to play dress up. 463 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,800 So like you said, Richard probably thought that he would be receiving a lesser sentence 464 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,160 for giving this information to police. 465 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,680 But they didn't alter his sentence at all. 466 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,240 They were just like, thanks for the info. 467 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,240 Get fucked. 468 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:12,240 Jog on. 469 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,240 Here's a bulletproof vest for your troubles. 470 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,240 Yeah, wear it in prison. 471 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:23,480 David Telstar would later plead guilty to promising Richard Matt an additional $100,000 after 472 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,960 completing the killings. 473 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,720 David was sentenced to five years in prison for this. 474 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:29,720 Five years. 475 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:30,720 Cute. 476 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:31,720 Five years. 477 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:32,720 Yep. 478 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,840 At some point while he was awaiting trial, Richard would meet a woman by the name of 479 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:41,120 V. Harris, and the two would quickly have a child together. 480 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:42,120 Never know what the... 481 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:43,120 I know. 482 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:44,120 Never know. 483 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:46,320 So she would quickly become pregnant with his child. 484 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,360 Although he would not see his child for a while after he was born, V would give birth 485 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:53,440 to their son Nicholas in 1992. 486 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:54,440 Is it VEE? 487 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:55,440 Yes. 488 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:56,440 OK. 489 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,360 Nicholas would later say about his father, quote, my father broke into my mother's 490 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:02,560 house in Tonawanda and beat her. 491 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,920 I was an infant when it happened. 492 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,120 Everybody is born innocent, but he was raised around crime. 493 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:09,760 Then he went into foster care. 494 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:10,760 Wow. 495 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,800 So Nicholas essentially grew up knowing that his father was a bad guy. 496 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:15,800 Yeah. 497 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:20,760 Richard would be released from prison in the late 1990s and was out and about up to his 498 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,200 usual antics very shortly after. 499 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,040 I know. 500 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:30,440 On December 3rd, 1997, Richard Matt and another man by the name of Lee Bates would kidnap 501 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:36,520 Richard's 76-year-old former boss, William Rickerson, from his north Tonawanda home. 502 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,440 What the fuck? 503 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:43,840 After attacking and subduing him, Richard forced William into the trunk of Lee's car. 504 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,400 The reason that he wanted to kidnap his boss is because Richard believed that William had 505 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:53,920 access to a large amount of money and they wanted to like torture him to like steal it 506 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:54,920 from him. 507 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,400 Like get bank information or find out where most of his money is. 508 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:05,280 The two, along with William in the trunk, would drive for nearly 27 hours and periodically 509 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,880 would stop to beat William trying to get information out of him. 510 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:10,880 That's so fucked up. 511 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,880 He's an old man. 512 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,600 I know. 513 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:19,320 After over a day of this, Richard became impatient not hearing anything about this stash 514 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,800 of money that didn't even fucking exist by the way. 515 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:22,800 What? 516 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:23,800 He just thought he did. 517 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,600 He thought that he was rich. 518 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,880 Richard became impatient and unfortunately he would break William's neck with his bare 519 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,080 hands killing him. 520 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,880 Do you think he meant to do that? 521 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,320 I'm not sure if he meant to kill him. 522 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,440 I think he meant, I mean he meant to strangle him obviously. 523 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:40,440 Yeah. 524 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,640 But I don't know if he, because I got like two different accounts. 525 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,400 It was like, he knew he wasn't going to get any information out of him but he couldn't 526 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,560 let him go so he killed him or he was trying to get information and accidentally killed 527 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:51,560 him. 528 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:52,560 Yeah. 529 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:53,560 But either way he was probably going to fucking kill him. 530 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:54,560 Yeah. 531 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:55,560 Okay. 532 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,520 I guess that was like, yeah essentially what I was asking is like if he meant to, like 533 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,840 did he go in with the attention of knowing he was going to kill him? 534 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,760 Honestly, he's the only one that knows that. 535 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:04,760 Yeah. 536 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,320 Richard then dismembered William's body with a hacksaw and disposed of the parts into 537 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:09,560 the Niagara River. 538 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:10,560 Jesus. 539 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,560 I know. 540 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,920 Richard would then flee to New York State to avoid capture. 541 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:20,000 After hearing of this crime and later on realizing it was Richard Matt that committed 542 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:27,920 it, Lieutenant on the North Tana Wanda Niagara County Forest in 1997, Randy Zucala was interviewed. 543 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,160 Randy and Richard actually grew up down the street from each other and Richard was no 544 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,320 stranger to Randy when he found out about this crime. 545 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,960 Randy grew up in North Tana Wanda and Richard as we know was born in Tana Wanda. 546 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,760 These two cities are commonly referred to as the Twin Cities as the Erie Canal is the 547 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:43,960 only thing that separates them. 548 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,960 Oh, okay. 549 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,960 So they're two different places. 550 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:46,960 I had to like really look at it. 551 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:47,960 It's like Virginia and West Virginia. 552 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:48,960 Yeah, but cities. 553 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:54,720 So even though the two were in different cities, they were very close in age and Richard had 554 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,360 a reputation growing up that Randy quickly noticed. 555 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:00,520 And again, Randy's the future Lieutenant. 556 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,640 Oh, oh, yeah. 557 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,640 Oh, okay. 558 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,440 He's the future Lieutenant of North Tana Wanda. 559 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,440 I see. 560 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,600 I kind of like said that quickly earlier. 561 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,600 Sorry. 562 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:09,600 Just to be clear. 563 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:10,600 No, it's okay. 564 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,640 I thought the Sergeant was talking about Randy to... 565 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:13,640 No, no, no, Richard. 566 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:14,640 The Sergeant is Randy. 567 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:15,640 Is Randy. 568 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,640 Yes. 569 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:17,640 He's the same guy. 570 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:18,640 He's the same guy. 571 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,480 He's the Sergeant. 572 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,880 Randy would later say about Richard, quote, he would terrorize kids on the school bus, 573 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,240 friends of mine knew him. 574 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,960 He would just terrorize people. 575 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,240 Even in elementary, junior high, he had issues, end quote. 576 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,520 So back to the crime we had just talked about. 577 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,440 Richard had just murdered his former boss and dumped his body into the river and fled 578 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,680 to New York State. 579 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,600 Richard would leave this crime with a wedding ring, some credit cards, and less than $100 580 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,600 in cash. 581 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,120 Totally worth somebody's life. 582 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:51,000 Totally worth it, especially when he was like expecting this giant payout. 583 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,200 Maybe you should like get your fucking facts straight and realize that this man has no 584 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,200 money. 585 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,200 For sure. 586 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,200 Not no money, but you know what I mean? 587 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,120 Like people wouldn't have nearly as much as he thought he did. 588 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:05,640 The same month in December of 1997, a fisherman made a grisly discovery when he came across 589 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,760 William Rickerson's body washed up on shore. 590 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,120 Randy Sucala was on the case. 591 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:16,160 He stated about the discovery, quote, it was kind of a strange one. 592 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,640 It was a missing person at first, then we looked through the house, found some evidence, 593 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,800 there was blood in the house, but nobody. 594 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:23,800 Hmm. 595 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:24,800 And quote. 596 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,720 Shortly after this discovery, Richard would flee to Texas, where he would then cross the 597 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,760 Rio Grande into Matamoros in Mexico. 598 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:37,760 Less than two months after Richard murdered William, he found himself in trouble yet again. 599 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:43,520 On February 20th, 1998, Richard was in a bar at the same time as fellow American Charles 600 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,040 Arnold Peralta. 601 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,080 Again, this is in Mexico. 602 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,080 Okay. 603 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,680 Charles was an engineer that had been employed at Rancho de Mexico, a local factory. 604 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,320 That was my best. 605 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,320 But you could do it. 606 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,920 But you could totally do it. 607 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:58,920 I know. 608 00:22:58,920 --> 00:22:59,920 I did the hand. 609 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,640 With the Spanish, I do the hand, but with the Italian, I do the hand. 610 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:03,640 The hand. 611 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:04,640 Yeah. 612 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:05,640 Oh yeah. 613 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:06,640 Like, yeah. 614 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,640 Especially you're doing like an okay. 615 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,640 Yeah. 616 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:09,640 Okay, okay. 617 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:10,640 Ro. 618 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,640 Ro. 619 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,040 So anyway, yeah, we were both fucking Spanish and I still get like uncomfy doing my Spanish 620 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,040 accent. 621 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,040 You don't do the uncomfy. 622 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,400 At one point in the night, Charles headed to the restroom where Richard followed him 623 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:27,280 and began stabbing him in the back and abdomen, attempting to rob him of $300. 624 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,840 Because again, that's worth someone's life. 625 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,240 That's definitely what I want to do. 626 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,880 Like, okay, as I'm being stabbed, my first thought is to hand over the cash. 627 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:35,880 Give you $300. 628 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,880 Yeah. 629 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:37,880 Just without even being threatened. 630 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:38,880 Yeah. 631 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,880 Yeah. 632 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,240 Not like, hey, give me all the money in your pocket. 633 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,360 You're actively being stabbed and the first thing that you're thinking of doing is going 634 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:45,360 through your pockets. 635 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:46,360 No. 636 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:47,360 Here's the money. 637 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:48,360 Gosh. 638 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:52,040 Unfortunately, Charles would be stabbed a total of nine times and he would not survive 639 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,040 stabbing. 640 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,040 Oh my God. 641 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,040 This is at a bar in Mexico. 642 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,040 Yeah. 643 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,640 My next sentence is after this public ass murder. 644 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,640 Public ass murder. 645 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:04,480 Richard tried to flee the scene of the crime but was quickly apprehended by police. 646 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,040 When questioned by officers, Richard told them that his name was Wayne M. Schimpf, who 647 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,400 was actually the name of his half-brother. 648 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,400 What a dick. 649 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,200 Oh God, that's fucking Angel Rosendaz. 650 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,200 Yeah. 651 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,200 It's my uncle. 652 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,200 It's my uncle. 653 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,200 I am my own uncle. 654 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,200 I am my own uncle. 655 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,400 Richard would be convicted of this murder and given a prison sentence of 23 years in a 656 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,240 fucking Mexican prison. 657 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,240 Well, yeah, no, that's awesome. 658 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,240 I mean, fuck. 659 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,240 Well, you fucked up here. 660 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,240 Yeah. 661 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,240 You're gonna stay here. 662 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,240 Don't fuck up in Mexico, y'all. 663 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,240 That's the rule. 664 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:41,240 While imprisoned in Mexico, Richard was nearly able to escape by climbing to the roof before 665 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,240 being shot by guards. 666 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,480 Oh, because they don't fuck around. 667 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,480 They don't. 668 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,760 His son would later say about this attempted escape, quote, he's been shot like nine times. 669 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:52,760 It's like they can't kill him. 670 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:53,760 He's like 50 cents. 671 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:54,760 Yeah. 672 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,760 Exactly. 673 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,160 They can't keep him down. 674 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,840 While Richard was in jail in Mexico, American authorities were working tire authorities? 675 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,400 I don't know why that sounds weird. 676 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,400 I want to say authorities. 677 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,600 I tell many, many authority. 678 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,800 I heard in the hitman episode, I said something that we just spoke about. 679 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:19,200 I said, spoke about and you didn't fucking correct me. 680 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,840 Just let everyone know. 681 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:23,840 I'm sorry. 682 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:24,840 I know how to speak. 683 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:25,840 I said, spoke about. 684 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:26,840 I said, spoke about. 685 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,840 I was like cringing in my car. 686 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,840 I was like, oh my God. 687 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,640 Well, sometimes we, and we've set up a forum the podcast like with the headsets on and 688 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,720 then like just listening through the microphone and everything. 689 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,040 Sometimes you don't catch it until you listen back and you're talking so much and so fast 690 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,400 like it doesn't even register. 691 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:50,080 Like I was saying inner communications for speech and it's interpersonal communications 692 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,640 and I'm an idiot that said inner, inner communications. 693 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,640 I'm over here. 694 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,640 Fuck it. 695 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,640 I'm over here talking to myself. 696 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,640 Inner communication. 697 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:57,640 I'm over here. 698 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:58,640 Air four base. 699 00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,640 Air four base. 700 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:05,960 I also remember a long time ago when we like first started doing the mental breakdowns. 701 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,840 You said anti personality was sort of like eight times to the end. 702 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,840 Oh, anti social. 703 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:10,840 Yeah. 704 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:11,840 I don't know why. 705 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,880 My brain just abbreviates things like that. 706 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,640 It's the opposite of a personality disorder. 707 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:23,400 Anyway, authorities, American, American authorities were working tirelessly to get to the bottom 708 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,080 of the discovery of the body in 97. 709 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,800 Patrons was able to lead police to Lee Bates who would be tried with the murder of William 710 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,520 Rickerson. 711 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,720 In order to receive a plea deal, Lee did give up Richard Matt's name as his accomplice 712 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,840 and the one who ultimately killed William. 713 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,240 Lee Bates was sentenced to 15 years for his role in the crime. 714 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,880 How can you prove that Matt did it though? 715 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,160 I'm not sure. 716 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:56,040 Because, yeah, Ricky Matt did it because it, you know, it's just hearsay at that point. 717 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,480 Yeah, but they also have his DNA. 718 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,480 I was there. 719 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,240 So they might have found additional DNA at the crime. 720 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,240 Yeah. 721 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,480 And he was like, they may be able to match it to him because he's been in the database 722 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,480 before, you know. 723 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,480 Yeah. 724 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,480 I'm not sure. 725 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,160 But after Lee's testimony and gruesome evidence, police had enough to charge Richard 726 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,400 Matt with second degree murder. 727 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,560 He also stabbed a motherfucker to death in a bar, so it's not atypical. 728 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,720 But they don't know that because he's in Mexico. 729 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,800 Oh, I see. 730 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,240 So this is happening while he's in Mexico and he's in prison in Mexico. 731 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,240 I see. 732 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,640 So just for the listeners, if anybody is not sure what the difference is between first 733 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,800 and second degree murder, because everyone didn't know that at one point, first degree 734 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,960 is when it's planned, second degree is when it's not. 735 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,280 And the reason they want to charge him with second is because we think it might have been 736 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,040 an accidental killing, or he decided after the fact to kill him rather than just kidnap 737 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,040 him. 738 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,040 William. 739 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,040 Yes. 740 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,040 Okay. 741 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,040 Well, so they don't know he's in prison in Mexico? 742 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,040 No. 743 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,040 I don't know where he is at all. 744 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,960 So they're actively, they're going to be looking for him at this point? 745 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,960 Yes. 746 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:50,960 Because Lee's in prison for it? 747 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,960 Yes. 748 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,280 So the only catch was they had no clue where Richard was. 749 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,600 Throughout the next several years, Richard remained in prison in Mexico while American 750 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,120 authorities were scratching their head trying to figure out where the fuck this guy was. 751 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:11,920 In 2007, so like 10 years later, Mexican authorities contacted American authorities to say that 752 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,520 they were going to extradite a drug cartel kingpin that was giving them so much trouble 753 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,040 in prison, they didn't want to take care of him any longer. 754 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,040 Oh, wow. 755 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,440 They knew he was American, so like, fuck you, like you're going back to America because 756 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:25,440 we don't want you. 757 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,440 Yeah. 758 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:31,640 Reporter Rick Pfeiffer stated about this sudden transfer, quote, he was being flown back 759 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,280 to Texas and the second this guy gets off the plane, it took federal marshals almost 760 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,400 a day to figure out who the guy was. 761 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,240 It was Richard Matt. 762 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,240 A drug cartel kingpin. 763 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,240 Yeah. 764 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,240 Sorry, what? 765 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,240 What the fuck happened? 766 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,560 So within the last 10 years in jail, he's become a fucking kingpin for the cartel. 767 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,040 He just owns the cartel. 768 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,040 From prison. 769 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,560 Quote, this is still the reporter. 770 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,080 There had been no discussion with the American government about extradition. 771 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,120 He had just been such a difficult prisoner. 772 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,080 If you can imagine a guy who seemed too difficult to stay in a Mexican prison. 773 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,080 Seriously. 774 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,240 I'm just about to say that. 775 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,500 Wild. 776 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:14,600 One of Richard's ex-girlfriends, Joanna Capredo, testified against him. 777 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,120 She stated that Richard casually smoked a cigarette as he confessed to breaking his former boss's 778 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,120 neck. 779 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,320 She also said that he stated that it was an accident. 780 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,520 She also said about Richard, quote, Ricky would dominate. 781 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,840 Like what the fuck does that mean? 782 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,360 What does that mean? 783 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,240 Adding that Lee Bates, quote, was pretty much a follower. 784 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,240 He just dominates. 785 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,120 He's out here just dominatin'. 786 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,400 It was also noted that lawmen who worked with Richard and against him during his trial 787 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,280 noticed his inherent ways of manipulation and charm with women. 788 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,160 Detective David Bentley testified against Richard and stated, another David, quote, 789 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,680 when he's cleaned up, he's very handsome and in all frankness, very well endowed. 790 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,480 He gets girlfriends any places he goes. 791 00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,480 Ew. 792 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,480 I'm like, how do you know that? 793 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:01,480 I saw it once. 794 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,480 He testified against him and he's like, he got a big dick. 795 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,200 That's why his nicknames dick. 796 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,720 Not because it's a nickname for Richard or anything. 797 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,160 Sorry, I have to say that. 798 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,960 He's testifying against him and he still says he has a big dick. 799 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:17,960 He's like, yo, shout out. 800 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,960 How you doing, bro? 801 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:19,960 How you doing? 802 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:20,960 That's funny. 803 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:21,960 Testifying. 804 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:31,960 He's like, yo, this guy's definitely guilty, but also, he got a pancake. 805 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,560 Okay, I'm done. 806 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,200 Richard's public defender, Matthew Penn, also testified in court, quote, I can't explain 807 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,200 it. 808 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,160 I can see him as a guy who would have a lot of friends. 809 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,040 Rick Matt was a fun but dangerous guy to hang out with. 810 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,040 Rick Matt. 811 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,040 Rick Matt. 812 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,040 Rick Matt. 813 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,040 Rick Matt. 814 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,040 Rick dick Matt. 815 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,040 Rick dick Matt. 816 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,040 Rick dick Matt. 817 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,040 Rick dick Matt. 818 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,480 With Lee Bates damning testimony 10 years prior, along with all the other testimonies from 819 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,120 various people, Judge Sarah Sheldon had more than enough reason to charge Richard with 820 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:09,240 the maximum sentence for secondary murder with no chance of parole until 2032. 821 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,200 So this is of William, the murder of William. 822 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,200 Yes. 823 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,200 Okay. 824 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,360 And the judge was noted as saying that this decision was, quote, frankly, not a difficult 825 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,360 decision. 826 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,360 Yeah. 827 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,360 Obviously. 828 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,360 He's a career criminal. 829 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,360 Yeah. 830 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,360 His whole life. 831 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,080 In March of 2008, Richard was sent to Niagara County jail, but during his trial, authorities 832 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,920 suspected that he had planned, that he had a plan to escape from the jail, and he was 833 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,720 made to wear a stun belt and snipers were posted outside of the courtroom to prevent 834 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:39,720 his escape. 835 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,720 Should have brought your, anywhere, motherfucker. 836 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,920 Should have brought your vest. 837 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,920 Your bulletproof vest. 838 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,000 As long as it'll shoot you in the head. 839 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:52,080 Shortly after, in June of 2008, he was transferred to Clinton Correctional Facility in Danimora, 840 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,840 Clinton County. 841 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,200 After hearing of this shocking break in the William Rickerson case, Randy Suscala was 842 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,520 noted as saying about Richard, quote, looking at his mugshot in the paper. 843 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,920 He's just got the look. 844 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,720 He's looking through the camera. 845 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,360 It's like looking at a photo of Charles Manson. 846 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,360 Same thing. 847 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,360 Probably. 848 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,360 Ew. 849 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,360 Disgusting. 850 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,960 I love the quotes though. 851 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,240 They're so like in-tunes, right? 852 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,240 Okay. 853 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,360 We're going to change gears a little bit here. 854 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,680 And now that Richard is in prison, we're going to talk about David Swett. 855 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,680 Sweaty. 856 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:27,680 Sweaty Betty. 857 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:28,680 Sweaty Betty. 858 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:29,680 Sweaty Betty. 859 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,680 Sweaty Betty. 860 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,680 Sweaty Betty. 861 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:32,680 Sweaty Betty. 862 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,880 Now just to let everyone know, there's significantly less known about David's childhood than Richard's. 863 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:38,880 Okay. 864 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,760 David Paul Swett, oh, he was almost traced to Nome Brays too. 865 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,800 David Paul Swett was born on June 14th, 1980, to Pamela Swett. 866 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,880 His mother was raising David along with two sisters when he was born, so his father was 867 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:53,880 not known. 868 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,000 He wasn't around when he was born. 869 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,400 David was born and raised in the Binghamton metropolitan area. 870 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,120 By all accounts, David had a troubled childhood that was littered with violent tendencies, 871 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:10,000 just like Richard, just like Ricky. 872 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,320 His mother, Pamela, would later admit, quote, he really wasn't raised into the best society. 873 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,320 We drank a lot. 874 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,400 We partied a lot. 875 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,000 His life was into turmoil. 876 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,160 Aw, that's his mother saying that. 877 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,160 And his father wasn't around, but she did have like a boyfriend that would come around 878 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,040 and they would get really drunk all the time. 879 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,200 At nine years old, David was sent to live with his uncle in Florida when he became too 880 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,200 much for his mom to handle. 881 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,920 He had thrown knives at his mother and also thrown a rocking chair on another occasion. 882 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,680 One of his sisters, Tilly, said of Pamela, quote, she had two nervous breakdowns because 883 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,080 of him when he was little and she can't take anymore. 884 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,760 Well, I think, I don't know, I think I'd be pretty like desensitized or pissed if your 885 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,560 mom was like constantly wasted all the time. 886 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,960 And that was her saying that. 887 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,200 If she's willing to admit that, it's probably worse than what she's saying it is, you know? 888 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,200 For sure. 889 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,880 Like, you know, when you go to the doctor and they're like, how often do you drink and 890 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:02,880 you're like three times a week? 891 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,440 Like, okay, seven times a week. 892 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,440 Yeah, I know. 893 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,440 Like, you're not going to sell them. 894 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,880 How many, yeah, or like when an officer pulls you over and you're like, how many of you 895 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:09,880 had to drink tonight? 896 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:10,880 Two. 897 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:11,880 It's great. 898 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:12,880 Four. 899 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:13,880 You're stumbling. 900 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:14,880 Doubling. 901 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,880 Doubling to give it to the next person. 902 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:23,640 Tilly also stated that David had a dual personality, quote, he could be a nice boy, but when the 903 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,760 little bit of hellion in him came out, it came out full force. 904 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,000 Gee, little hellion. 905 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,000 I know. 906 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,000 But full force. 907 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,000 At nine. 908 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,000 Come on. 909 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,000 Pamela's boyfriend, while David was young, stated about David that he would burn his 910 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,160 toy cars or smash them with rocks and hammers. 911 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,160 What the fuck? 912 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,160 Yeah. 913 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,160 I'd be so pissed. 914 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,160 It's like, bitch, you know how much that was? 915 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,160 I know. 916 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,160 Fifteen dollar fucking car. 917 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,400 You think fucking toy cars grow on trees? 918 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,400 No. 919 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,400 No. 920 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,400 They get made in the factory. 921 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,400 Yeah. 922 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,400 Because they're plastic. 923 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,400 I don't know why I said that. 924 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,280 They're not made of wood. 925 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,280 They're not. 926 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,280 Duh. 927 00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,280 Duh. 928 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,680 Tilly also, that's so stupid. 929 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,920 Dilly also added, quote, he was rude to anyone and everyone when the mood hit him. 930 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,600 Like it's like he could snap on it on a dime. 931 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:10,600 No. 932 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,320 While living with his aunts and uncle, David stole and wrecked his aunt's car and was 933 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,040 soon after sent into foster care. 934 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,840 Sound familiar? 935 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,840 Yeah. 936 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,200 By the time they were in their late teens, David and his cousin, Jeffrey A. Nabinger, 937 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,520 Jr. were spending most of their nights on the streets. 938 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,440 The two had trouble holding down jobs and were frequently selling weed to make some 939 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,440 fast cash. 940 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,440 Weed. 941 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,440 But when? 942 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:41,600 David was known as elaborately planning burglaries and him, along with Jeffrey, were both arrested 943 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,640 several times in the late 90s and sent to prison. 944 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,360 Sounds like Richard Ramirez kind of when he would run around the streets all the time. 945 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,360 Yeah. 946 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,360 Although they were peep-tomming. 947 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,360 So peep-tomming. 948 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,360 Tom peeping. 949 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,360 Tom peeping. 950 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,360 Wait. 951 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,360 Peep-tomming. 952 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,360 Yeah, peep-tomming is better. 953 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,880 It's like, wait, I really think of it. 954 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:04,000 In 1996, David and Jeffrey tried to steal computers and cash from a Binghammon group 955 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,800 home where he was living. 956 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:11,160 Their plan was to wear balaclavas, ski masks, and lock a woman in a storage room. 957 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,880 And part of this plan was stealing blueprints and the layout of a home. 958 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,880 I guess they were gonna like hit the home second. 959 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:17,880 Yeah. 960 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,600 The two were arrested for this after it was unsuccessful. 961 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,360 During the hearing, Parole Board Commissioner Vanessa Ann Clark said to David, quote, you 962 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,080 had a big plan to go in there and tie up the lady who worked there and steal the stuff. 963 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,960 Were you watching too much television or something, Mr. Sweat? 964 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,760 David replied, quote, yes. 965 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,000 Miss Clark, quote, why did you do that? 966 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,120 David replied, quote, I was 16. 967 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,640 I felt like it would make me look better to my friends if I did that. 968 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,360 What kind of friends were you hanging out with? 969 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,360 Says Mrs. Clark. 970 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,960 David responds, Troublemakers. 971 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,360 Like you're the fucking one. 972 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:54,360 Okay. 973 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,160 Oh, you've been watching too much TV recently. 974 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,360 He's like, I have a mental disorder. 975 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,040 He's like, I live on the streets. 976 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,040 Bitch. 977 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,040 It's not been easy, okay? 978 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,040 My mom is an asshole. 979 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,040 Do you think I own a TV? 980 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,040 Is that what you're saying? 981 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,040 Like fuck. 982 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,520 No, why do you think I was trying to fucking steal one? 983 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:18,040 The two being David and Jeffrey were sentenced to five years of intensive supervision probation 984 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,040 for this crime. 985 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,040 Okay. 986 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,360 Because they didn't follow through with it, I guess. 987 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:26,000 The Broom County court judge, Martin E. Smith, said about this, quote, the conduct in which 988 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,400 he was engaging was like, what are you thinking? 989 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,000 It was the dumbest stuff ever. 990 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,080 When he sentenced the two, the judge referred to David and Jeffrey as, quote, teenage idiots. 991 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,720 It's like, dude, way to fucking like make them feel worse. 992 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:41,240 Like maybe try to help them. 993 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:42,240 Yeah. 994 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:43,240 Maybe try to rehabilitate. 995 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:45,240 You know, that's what the fucking prison system is supposed to be for. 996 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:46,240 Yeah, exactly. 997 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:47,600 No, we're all just fucking idiots. 998 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,000 They're just dumb, dumb teenage stuff. 999 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,000 Yeah, seriously. 1000 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,000 Teenage is being kids. 1001 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000 You watch too much TV. 1002 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,120 You play too many video games. 1003 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,120 You play Grand Theft Auto. 1004 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:03,120 It's a real world. 1005 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,120 This is a real world, boys. 1006 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,120 You can't be teenage. 1007 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,120 It is. 1008 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,120 You're gonna be a teenage idiot. 1009 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,120 Teenage. 1010 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,120 Turn back. 1011 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,120 He's like, smells like a teenager. 1012 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:21,120 Smells like teenage spirit in here. 1013 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:34,120 Teenage is just playing like every song about teenagers. 1014 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,840 Whether it's your favorite browser or by app, listening to audiobooks with audiobooks now 1015 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,680 makes it even easier and more affordable to enjoy your favorite books. 1016 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,280 Audiobooks Now offers up their club price plan, which includes 50% off your first purchase 1017 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,840 each month and additional offers after your first purchase. 1018 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,400 Click the link in the show notes below to receive two months free and just 4.99 for 1019 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,960 each additional month. 1020 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,040 Get audiobooks you love for less with audiobooks now. 1021 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,560 Start your free trial today. 1022 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,800 That song probably wasn't even out yet, actually. 1023 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,800 No, it wasn't. 1024 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:09,800 That came in the early 2000s, right? 1025 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:10,800 Teen spirit is hilarious. 1026 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:11,800 Yeah, that's what it was. 1027 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:12,800 Teen spirit is stupid. 1028 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:13,800 Current smells like teen spirit. 1029 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:14,800 Current smells like teen spirit. 1030 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,800 Okay. 1031 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:25,200 A year later, David was convicted of second degree burglary when he and Jeffrey tried to 1032 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,680 steal from his cousin's landlady. 1033 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,160 Like, why do they keep... 1034 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,160 Okay, that's... 1035 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,440 Okay, it was a little dumb to start victimizing people that you actually fucking know and 1036 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,440 you know what I mean? 1037 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,440 They know you. 1038 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,440 Yeah. 1039 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,440 Like, come on, maybe not do that. 1040 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,440 Yeah. 1041 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,440 I mean, don't do it to strangers either. 1042 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,440 I'm not saying... 1043 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,480 I think it's okay the other way, but like, come on, you're just gonna ask them for it. 1044 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,640 So this would be the first time that David entered prison, like actual prison. 1045 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,440 Even though he was in prison, he was still scheming and authorities actually found a 1046 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,960 list of future crimes in his cell. 1047 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:55,960 Oh my God. 1048 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,440 He just had a pen and paper. 1049 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,440 Just a pen and paper. 1050 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,640 Hey, do you think I could borrow a pen and paper? 1051 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:01,640 Yeah, why? 1052 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:02,640 What's up? 1053 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:03,640 Nothing. 1054 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,640 My hit list. 1055 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,640 Just a list. 1056 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,800 Just a list of names. 1057 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:12,480 In the early morning of July 4th, 2002, David, Jeffrey, and a third man by the name of Sean 1058 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,320 DeVall made a new burglary plan. 1059 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,320 So he's out now. 1060 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,320 Yeah. 1061 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:23,880 The three burglarized a fireworks store in Great Bend, Pennsylvania to steal firearms 1062 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:24,880 and not fireworks. 1063 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:25,880 I'm not sure. 1064 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:26,880 I guess they had both, apparently. 1065 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,360 They had guns. 1066 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,360 Yes. 1067 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:36,640 Unless it was a firearms store and I misread it, but it said fireworks store to steal firearms. 1068 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,160 Either way, they stole guns. 1069 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,360 Well, you know, I wonder if it's because it's technically an explosive because Jersey's 1070 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,360 that way too. 1071 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,360 Yeah. 1072 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,640 That's what Steinmanx is saying, that fireworks are illegal in New Jersey because they're 1073 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,160 because they contain gunpowder. 1074 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,160 Oh, I don't know. 1075 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,920 So I'm wondering if it's not like a fireworks slash firearms store, like you said, because 1076 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:54,920 it's technically an explosive. 1077 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,440 Because they have the license. 1078 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,440 Yeah. 1079 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,920 It makes sense. 1080 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,080 Their robbery was a success and the three traveled back to New York. 1081 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,600 Again, that happened in Pennsylvania. 1082 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,520 Oh, so that's even, yeah, it's close to Jersey, anyways. 1083 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,360 So the three pulled into a parking lot where they began transferring the stolen firearms 1084 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,880 from one vehicle to another. 1085 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,320 I guess they were like moving it. 1086 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,640 But while they were doing this, they were spotted by a Broom County Sheriff's deputy 1087 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,240 by the name of Kevin Tarsia. 1088 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:25,840 Kevin approached the men to question what they were doing. 1089 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,200 And without hesitation, David opened fire on the officer before he could get close enough 1090 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,880 to speak to them. 1091 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,680 Kevin was hit multiple times falling to the ground but still alive. 1092 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:37,840 Oh my God. 1093 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:44,240 David would then run Kevin over with his vehicle to try to kill him. 1094 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,640 After realizing that the officer was still alive after this. 1095 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,880 Fucking bad bitch alert. 1096 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,760 Jeffrey shot him two more times in the face, ultimately ending up like. 1097 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:53,760 Oh, God. 1098 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:54,760 I know. 1099 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,760 That's fucking awful. 1100 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,240 Like, that's a lot to experience in the last moments. 1101 00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:59,240 I'm sorry. 1102 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:06,400 He was shot a total of 15 times, which means he was shot 13 times and then run over and 1103 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,440 was still alive and then shot twice more to kill him. 1104 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,440 Oh, that poor man. 1105 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,880 God, I know. 1106 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,960 And how old is David at this point? 1107 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,920 He would be 22 at this point. 1108 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,240 So a child. 1109 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:22,600 The three men would take off from the crime scene. 1110 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,120 I just called him a child and I said men. 1111 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,480 And they would not be tracked down for nearly five days after this. 1112 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,080 God, this poor officer is just in the parking lot. 1113 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,880 During their trials, David and Jeffrey both pleaded guilty to first degree murder and 1114 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:41,040 received life sentences without the possibility of parole to avoid the death penalty. 1115 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,320 Sean, who cooperated with authorities from the start and didn't physically harm Kevin, 1116 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,000 was sentenced to five years in prison plus five years of supervised release for, of course, 1117 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,960 association and then stealing the firearms. 1118 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,640 So David and the other guy, sorry, what was his name? 1119 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,640 Jeffrey. 1120 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,640 Oh, the cousin. 1121 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,640 Yes. 1122 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,640 The first shot. 1123 00:42:58,640 --> 00:42:59,640 Yes. 1124 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,640 The officer. 1125 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,640 David shot him first and then Kevin shot him last. 1126 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:02,640 I see. 1127 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:08,240 David would be sent to Clinton Correctional Facility in Danimora, Clinton County. 1128 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,960 Dun, dun, dun. 1129 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,200 As I'm sure you can tell by now, Richard and David would become homies while in prison 1130 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,200 together. 1131 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,200 Best friends. 1132 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,960 Be put in adjoining cells. 1133 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:23,520 And although David had never escaped in the past, Richard surely had, and this time he 1134 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:28,040 was looking for a partner in crime. 1135 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,960 Dun, dun, dun. 1136 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,320 Just to be clear, this is Richard from the very beginning and David, they are now in 1137 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,760 adjoining cells in the same prison. 1138 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:37,760 Yes. 1139 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,120 The two serve their time. 1140 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,120 Would quickly get married. 1141 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,120 Yes, the two would quickly get married. 1142 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,120 No, that's funny. 1143 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,800 Well, you'll see. 1144 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:52,040 The two serve their time on the quote honor block, which was housing gained for good behavior 1145 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:58,000 that allows for greater movement, the right to cook meals for yourself, and even the benefit 1146 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,880 of wearing street clothes while in your cell. 1147 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,320 This is death row. 1148 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,320 This is life. 1149 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,240 Or sorry, life, not death row. 1150 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:11,000 So they're just like living in, like they just like an apartment. 1151 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,880 And I'm sorry, good behavior. 1152 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,000 You murdered a fucking cop and you're here? 1153 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,880 Like what? 1154 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,740 Another benefit of this block was bigger cells given to those inmates who had no infractions 1155 00:44:21,740 --> 00:44:24,440 on their record for numerous years at a time. 1156 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,600 Richard got to prison in what, 2008. 1157 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,600 Yeah. 1158 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,560 And then now David in 2002, which is funny because he's before him. 1159 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,680 But this is now 2015. 1160 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:38,200 So they've both been in good behavior, like nothing on their record for a while. 1161 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,880 So we're going to jump forward, like I said, to June 6th, 2015. 1162 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,920 Guards were doing their usual 5.30 AM rounds when they noticed that Richard, Matt and David 1163 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,800 Swett were not waking up, despite numerous attempts at alerting them for rounds. 1164 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,800 Ugh, it's like a Shawshank moment. 1165 00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,480 Upon entering the cells, guards realized the true nature of what had happened to the two 1166 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,480 inmates. 1167 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,640 They were gone. 1168 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,640 Gone so. 1169 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,760 What'd you say there, fuzzy britches? 1170 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,680 Literally a Shawshank moment. 1171 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,560 The only thing left behind in their cell was a note that read, quote, have a nice day with 1172 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,560 a smiley face. 1173 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:15,560 Have a nice day. 1174 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,060 You said that. 1175 00:45:17,060 --> 00:45:18,320 I did that. 1176 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,680 Somebody else did have a nice day. 1177 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:21,680 Have a nice day. 1178 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:22,680 I don't know. 1179 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,080 That was somebody else that had written that before. 1180 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,080 A killer. 1181 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,080 I don't know. 1182 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,080 The smiley face killer. 1183 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,560 The smiley face, probably. 1184 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,560 Shit. 1185 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,800 It was quickly realized that the two had not been accounted for since 10.30 the night 1186 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:37,800 before. 1187 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:38,800 10.30 PM. 1188 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:39,800 That's a long time. 1189 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,800 During the last count of the night. 1190 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:41,800 Yeah. 1191 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:42,800 So seven fucking hours. 1192 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,240 Again, it's like when that shot where they're searching for Andy and they get all the way 1193 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:51,600 to the river or the sewer or whatever line and then he's, and Red starts narrating again. 1194 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,880 He's like, in about that time, a man that had never been seen in this area before when 1195 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,040 he walks into a bank. 1196 00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,640 And it's just like, because you know, he's already like, go ahead. 1197 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:01,640 I'm sorry. 1198 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:02,640 It's okay. 1199 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,640 It's funny because it's really exciting. 1200 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:04,640 Eerily similar. 1201 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:05,640 Really? 1202 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,440 It was immediately reported that a, quote, external breach was found on a street approximately 1203 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,600 500 feet outside the prison walls, indicating that the inmates had successfully tunneled 1204 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,240 out of the prison and escaped. 1205 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:17,240 Oh shit. 1206 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:18,680 It was literally like Shawshank. 1207 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:19,680 Wow. 1208 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,240 Upon further inspection, guards noted that there was no way the two could have created 1209 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:27,240 the tunnel they used to escape from any tools kept inside of the prison. 1210 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:31,640 And instead, they would actually have had to use power tools to do what they did. 1211 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,680 What? 1212 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,880 As details of this escape got more specific, it seemed as though Richard and David had 1213 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,960 used power tools that they had stolen from contractors that were working at the prison 1214 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,680 and somehow returned them back to their rightful place before the end of the workday. 1215 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,840 This is a good theory, but kind of like how? 1216 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,840 Yeah. 1217 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,520 They can't get out of their cells on their own. 1218 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,880 Well, you said that they were in that really laxed environment though. 1219 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:54,880 Yeah. 1220 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,120 So although this seemed like a good theory, it was not all that had happened that allowed 1221 00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,760 the men to escape. 1222 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:05,640 In reality, the two were being given very special treatment by two of the employees 1223 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,920 of the prison for months before the escape. 1224 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:09,920 Okay. 1225 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:15,640 One guard, Gene Palmer, was noted on multiple occasions as giving the men tools and special 1226 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,720 clearance to certain parts of the prison. 1227 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:22,760 Gene had been on the force for 27 years before he began giving the inmates certain tools. 1228 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,880 He would give them like a screwdriver or like pliers, like not anything you could use to 1229 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,400 do this, but still, things that they weren't allowed to have. 1230 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,400 Yeah. 1231 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,400 What was the cover-up then? 1232 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,400 Like saying like, I'm going to whittle some wood or I'm going to... 1233 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,400 I'll tell you. 1234 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,080 Actually, it wasn't really a cover-up. 1235 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,200 It was kind of like an exchange for stuff. 1236 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,200 Okay. 1237 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,280 So Gene was noted as giving the two men a flathead screwdriver and needle nose pliers 1238 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,880 on four occasions between November 2014 and the day of the escape, June 6, 2015. 1239 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,360 So between that timeframe, like a couple of fucking months, like eight months, he gave 1240 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,120 them tools on four separate occasions. 1241 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,120 But that wouldn't... 1242 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,400 How could somebody tunnel all the way through there just on four separate occasions? 1243 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,400 Just wait. 1244 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,400 Sorry, I'm like getting... 1245 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,400 It's okay. 1246 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,400 I'm just getting like... 1247 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,800 His explanation of the tool giving was that he would exchange tools to Richard Matt for 1248 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,680 hand-painted canvases of Richards. 1249 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:10,680 Oh. 1250 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:11,680 Richard was really good at painting. 1251 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:12,680 Hmm. 1252 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:13,680 He... 1253 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,880 I don't know if he was trying to sell the paintings or he just really liked the paintings 1254 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,920 because Richard was known to do paintings of like celebrities and stuff. 1255 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,880 He would later state about this, quote, Matt provided me with elaborate paintings and 1256 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,320 information on the legal acts that inmates were committing within the facility. 1257 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,120 So he used his informant stuff before. 1258 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:35,440 In turn, I provided him with benefits such as paint, paint brushes, movement of inmates, 1259 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,320 hamburger meat, altering of electrical boxes in the catwalk areas. 1260 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,720 I did not realize at the time that the assistance provided to Matt or Sweatt made their escape 1261 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:46,040 easier," end quote. 1262 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,200 He also stated that the electrical work he mentioned was done, quote, to enhance their 1263 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,840 ability to cook in their cells. 1264 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,640 So he thinks he's doing these men a favor because they're nice and they're exchanging 1265 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:56,640 information. 1266 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:57,640 Right. 1267 00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:58,640 Besides the tools... 1268 00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,640 For the greater good kind of aspect. 1269 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:00,640 It's for everybody's benefit. 1270 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:01,640 Exactly. 1271 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,160 Besides like the screwdriver and the pliers, like everything else is pretty innocent, right? 1272 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,560 Like giving them food, giving them paint, you know, stuff like that, making it a little 1273 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,640 bit easier for them to cook. 1274 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,160 So you're probably wondering about the hamburger meat, I mean, I guess, because obviously it's 1275 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,200 to cook. 1276 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:22,680 The worst assistant to this crime was one Joyce Mitchell who worked in the prison tailor shop. 1277 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,760 So she wasn't a guard, but she was an employee. 1278 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,800 Instead of just placing the meat into a quote, green colored woven cloth bag, Joyce also 1279 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,920 included multiple hacksaw blades, a screwdriver bit, and various other tools. 1280 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,240 Why? 1281 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,920 She then put the bag into the freezer and directed Jean Palmer to deliver it to the 1282 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:42,920 men. 1283 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,560 I'll get into that in a second. 1284 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,720 The reason Jean did not question the secrecy of the delivery was because delivering prisoners' 1285 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:52,440 food in general was considered contraband. 1286 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,200 And although he was not cool with bringing in the power tools, he was okay with providing 1287 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,200 the food. 1288 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,080 So he didn't look through the bag, he didn't question it, he just gave it to them, right? 1289 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,440 I wonder if maybe around that time he had been kind of like being weary about giving 1290 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,440 them tools? 1291 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,440 Yeah. 1292 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,520 Maybe that's why they were like, well, he might not argue with food, you know? 1293 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:09,520 Exactly. 1294 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,840 So Richard and David were able to use these power tools provided by Joyce and unknowingly 1295 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,680 Jean to cut through pipes and make their way through a series of catwalks and walls to 1296 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,200 make it through to the outside. 1297 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,360 Again, this was months, like eight months, that was happening. 1298 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,120 At least. 1299 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,280 Here they would emerge from a manhole and escape into the darkness. 1300 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,920 It is Shahshank, that's crazy. 1301 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,840 Authorities would later discover that the two inmates were supposed to be picked up after 1302 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,680 their escape by one Joyce Mitchell. 1303 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,400 Ah, you dummy. 1304 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,400 But. 1305 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,400 Dummy, Joyce. 1306 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,920 She would not arrive to their aid that morning. 1307 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,240 In fact, at the same time that the men were escaping, Joyce was experiencing severe chest 1308 00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:54,040 pains and admitted herself to the hospital. 1309 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,040 Guilty conscience, perhaps? 1310 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,040 Yeah, I was thinking. 1311 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,840 I was like, she gave herself a fucking heart attack with all that worry. 1312 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,080 Yep. 1313 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,600 Since Joyce was not there to pick up the men like she had promised, they were forced to 1314 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,800 get far away on foot. 1315 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,520 Unfortunately, they had a little while to do so since they were, they had seven hours, 1316 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,480 essentially, from the escape to when they did the count at five. 1317 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,880 So who knows how far they could have gotten. 1318 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:18,880 Yeah. 1319 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,560 Richard and David were able to be undetected for three days until police received a tip 1320 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:30,000 that the two had been spotted around the town of Willisboro, New York on June 9. 1321 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,920 Police spent the days of June 9 and 10, searching around the area, even extending their search 1322 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,000 to the border of Vermont in case the two tried to flee the state. 1323 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,000 Law enforcement in Canada and Mexico were also given information on the men in case 1324 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,520 they tried to leave the country. 1325 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:52,240 Within the next couple of days, the FBI, CBP, which is Customs and Border Protection, RCMP, 1326 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:56,880 which is Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the ATF, which is the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, 1327 00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:02,520 Firearms and Explosive, state and local police, the New York State Forest Rangers, and the 1328 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,120 U.S. Marshal Service were all involved in this search. 1329 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,120 Jesus. 1330 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,120 I mean, obviously. 1331 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,120 Yeah. 1332 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,120 They're two murderers. 1333 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,120 I mean. 1334 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,120 Yeah. 1335 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,840 A $50,000 bounty was set for each inmate originally, but was actually increased to $75,000 each 1336 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,800 when the U.S. Marshals took it upon themselves to add $25K to each man. 1337 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:20,800 Where do you go? 1338 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,840 Seriously, where do you think you're going to go? 1339 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:23,840 Seriously. 1340 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:24,840 Especially when you don't have a ride in them. 1341 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,520 Definitely if they had a car. 1342 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:27,520 Fucking Joyce. 1343 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:28,520 Fucking Joyce. 1344 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:29,520 Just ruining everything, Joyce. 1345 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:34,120 But if they had a car, they probably would be a lot further, a lot faster. 1346 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,600 But at the same time, where are you going to go? 1347 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,440 Like internationally you're going to be looking for. 1348 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:39,440 Where do you think you are? 1349 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:40,440 Yeah, exactly. 1350 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,440 Honestly. 1351 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,400 So from the day of the escape, June 6th to June 11th, there were two sightings of the 1352 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,600 men, but no reported break-ins, robberies, homicides, etc. 1353 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:49,600 No crime around the area. 1354 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:54,200 They're just smart on their part because they're only going to leave a trail, essentially. 1355 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,120 If they try to rob anybody of a car or money or whatever. 1356 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,360 Yeah, exactly. 1357 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:03,160 On June 11th, law enforcement closed a stretch of New York State Route 374. 1358 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,880 School classes were canceled in Danimora and nearby Cyrenac, and officers present in the 1359 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:12,920 area were increased from $300 to more than $500 total, just in that area around the prison. 1360 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,080 That's got to be really scary though. 1361 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,000 Like, schools were closed? 1362 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:22,200 I have a friend of mine, her mom lives behind, not Bear County jail, but behind a jail. 1363 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,200 I always worry about that. 1364 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,400 I'm like, you know, many of the property taxes are cheap. 1365 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,600 Well yeah, when I used to live in San Marcos, I would travel up to Kyle for work. 1366 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:34,360 It's like 20 minutes, but in between San Marcos and Kyle, there's a jail, like a, actually 1367 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,360 a big security unit. 1368 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,480 It's right off the highway, there's a bunch of razor wire and stuff, and it says, do not 1369 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:39,480 pick up hitchhikers. 1370 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:40,480 I'm like, ugh. 1371 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,280 I know. 1372 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:47,640 So on June 11th, later that afternoon, bloodhounds were able to pick up a scent, and authorities 1373 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,680 were able to discover a footprint as well. 1374 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:55,200 From here, the police began searching methodically in a wooded area near where the scent was picked 1375 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,200 up. 1376 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,240 This was in a nearby town called Cattieville. 1377 00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:02,760 Although this was not a lead that produced definite evidence that the two men were there, 1378 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,600 it was the only thing they had at the moment. 1379 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,720 Nothing really came of this search, although police did put up billboards in the area, hoping 1380 00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:13,040 that somebody would spot them in if they hadn't gotten far. 1381 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:18,040 These billboards would quickly stretch to New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Vermont, 1382 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,000 Pennsylvania, and all along the US-Canada border. 1383 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,000 Wow. 1384 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,000 I know. 1385 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:28,400 Seven days after the escape, on June 12th, police would arrest Joyce Mitchell with aiding 1386 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,400 to the escapes. 1387 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:30,400 Good. 1388 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,400 She cracked. 1389 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:32,400 After like, yeah. 1390 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,400 Say crack again. 1391 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,400 Crack. 1392 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,400 Crack. 1393 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:36,800 Well, you'd think that, it's not like she was hard to find, right? 1394 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,240 She's probably like on a fucking pacemaker now. 1395 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:41,880 Yeah, exactly. 1396 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,960 During the weeks since the escape, police were making connections to not only Joyce Mitchell, 1397 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,880 but Gene Palmer as well. 1398 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,960 It had come out in many different speculations that Joyce was actually sleeping with David 1399 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:58,280 Sweat and Richard Matt, or at least had on one occasion, but this was never confirmed 1400 00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,280 by Joyce. 1401 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,760 Or at least tempted to, or there was clearly like a flirtation there. 1402 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:11,040 What was confirmed, however, was that Joyce provided nude photos of herself to both men. 1403 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,640 Stating quote, I was caught up in the fantasy. 1404 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,600 I enjoyed the attention, the feeling both of them gave me and the thought of a different 1405 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:18,600 life. 1406 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,480 She's fucking married, by the way. 1407 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,840 And to them, they're probably like, okay. 1408 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:23,840 This is nasty. 1409 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:24,840 This is so nasty. 1410 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,560 But she's going to help us escape. 1411 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:28,560 Exactly. 1412 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:29,560 We can manipulate her. 1413 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:30,560 We can manipulate her. 1414 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:35,480 But once Joyce started confessing to her involvement, things became much more clear. 1415 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:40,440 Sometime around January of 2015, so five months before the escape, Richard and David began 1416 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,360 devising their plan and approached Joyce for help. 1417 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,400 After smuggling in the tools for the men to use, Joyce was to meet them outside on the 1418 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:54,800 night of the escape with a car filled with guns, ammo, camping gear, and a compass. 1419 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,400 Gotta go to the fireworks, Dan. 1420 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:57,400 Yeah. 1421 00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,760 Go get all the rice off. 1422 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:03,800 The men convinced Joyce that they would include her in their long-term escape plans and even 1423 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:08,640 kill her husband in order to give her a chance to be with them instead. 1424 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:09,640 Yeah. 1425 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:10,640 I'm shook. 1426 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:11,640 Yeah. 1427 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:12,640 I'm shook. 1428 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:17,680 They were going to have this poly three-way relationship of some kind. 1429 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,000 I don't know, but yeah. 1430 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,760 I mean, I'm sure she wanted that. 1431 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,280 I guarantee you they would have just used her until they got what they needed. 1432 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,240 I probably would have killed her too, honestly. 1433 00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:28,240 She knew everything. 1434 00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:29,240 I think so too, honestly. 1435 00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:32,240 However, as we know, Joyce did not show up outside the prison for the men the night of 1436 00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:36,720 their escape, and instead checked herself into the hospital due to chest pains. 1437 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:41,020 It turns out she just had hella anxiety because everything came to the surface and she couldn't 1438 00:56:41,020 --> 00:56:42,020 handle the fucking pressure. 1439 00:56:42,020 --> 00:56:44,000 Aw, I remember my first panic attack. 1440 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,000 For real. 1441 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,000 God, please. 1442 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,000 C'mon, I'm on the throne. 1443 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,000 Seriously. 1444 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,000 I thought I was having a literal heart attack. 1445 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,400 After being arrested, Joyce would be charged with quote providing material assistance to 1446 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,360 Richard and David. 1447 00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:01,360 Jean Palmer had not yet been looked at as a suspect, but of course they were going through like the whole employee roster. 1448 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:01,860 Yeah. 1449 00:57:01,860 --> 00:57:05,360 Why does this Jean guy in my head look like Tim from the bar? 1450 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:09,860 He actually might! 1451 00:57:09,860 --> 00:57:13,360 He'd be so... I think he looks like Tim from the bar. 1452 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:14,360 That's poor man. 1453 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:17,360 He doesn't. 1454 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:18,360 He kinda does. 1455 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,360 He kinda does. He resembles him slightly. 1456 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,360 That's who I think of though. 1457 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,360 That's what Joyce looks like in female form. 1458 00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,360 What is Joyce like? I wanna know what Joyce looks like. 1459 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:30,360 It's gonna be rough, isn't it? 1460 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:31,360 She's gonna do that. 1461 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:32,360 It's probably gonna be a little rough. 1462 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:35,360 Is it a little rough? 1463 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:39,360 Oh Jesus. 1464 00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,360 She looks like a woman that would try to sleep with two prisoners. 1465 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,360 I'm sorry. 1466 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:45,360 That's awful. 1467 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,360 Ah, she has a snaggle lower tooth. 1468 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,360 How does that even happen? 1469 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,360 Snaggle lower tooth. 1470 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,360 Okay, so. 1471 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:59,360 On June 13th, helicopters, all terrain vehicles, and search dogs were added to the search. 1472 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,360 Again, they escaped on the 6th. 1473 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:03,360 I'm just saying. 1474 00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:09,360 Well, okay, so at this point, do you think that Joyce knows anything about a potential escape plan or any of that other? 1475 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:10,360 You know what I mean? 1476 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:11,360 Yeah. 1477 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,360 Or you think she's keeping all that shit to herself? 1478 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:13,360 Well, no, she does. She knows. 1479 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:14,360 Okay. 1480 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,360 Because remember, she was supposed to meet them outside with guns and all that shit? 1481 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:17,360 No, of course. 1482 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:23,360 I'm just saying, like, do you think that they also talked thoroughly about them ending up in a specific area? 1483 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,360 Oh, I see what you're saying. 1484 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:26,360 Well, yeah, I'll get there in a second. 1485 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:27,360 Okay. 1486 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:33,360 Unfortunately, the weather was particularly bad this day, and it stunted the growth of the search party and actually put it on hold for a few days. 1487 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,360 But wouldn't that also stunt them, though, especially if they're out here in the wild? 1488 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:38,360 Sure. 1489 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,360 On June 20th, a fortnight after the men escaped. 1490 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:42,360 A fortnight. 1491 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,360 Two weeks, to be exact. 1492 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:51,360 The search would continue in Alginie County, Western New York, after police received a tip that the men had been seen in friendship New York. 1493 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,360 Friendship. 1494 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:53,360 It's cute. 1495 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:54,360 Friendship. 1496 00:58:54,360 --> 00:59:04,360 Two days later, June 22nd, police received a tip that a cabin near the prison had been broken into, and they had a feeling it had something to do with the men, which is hilarious. 1497 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,360 It's been 16 days and you're still near the fucking prison. 1498 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:09,360 Yeah. 1499 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:10,360 Like, where are you going to go? 1500 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,360 The thing is, like, everybody's looking for you, so the moment you step outside, someone's going to see you. 1501 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,360 Exactly. 1502 00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:27,360 When police were searching the cabin, they weren't there, they found two pairs of prison-issued underwear, and not that it was necessary, but they were able to test the DNA and they both came back as matches for President David. 1503 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,360 Just left behind their fucking underwear. 1504 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,360 Okay, so they're not wearing underwear, they're underwear. 1505 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:32,360 He's naked somewhere. 1506 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,360 Yeah. 1507 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,360 And he's naked somewhere. 1508 00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:35,360 He's naked somewhere. 1509 00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:36,360 He has a huge dick. 1510 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:41,360 Huge dick. 1511 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,360 Just looking for a guy with a huge dick. 1512 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,360 Seriously, just swang out of the way. 1513 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,360 Yeah. 1514 00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,360 So then they definitely left some pubes behind. 1515 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:49,360 Oh, for sure. 1516 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:50,360 Found all that. 1517 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:51,360 Okay. 1518 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,360 Because of this discovery, investigators concluded that the two had been there within the previous 24 hours. 1519 00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,360 The pubes were fresh. 1520 00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:58,360 I'll tell you why in a second. 1521 00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:59,360 Ew. 1522 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:07,360 Meanwhile, prison guards were actually reported to have been beating other inmates in order to try to get information out of them on the whereabouts of the men or what their plan was. 1523 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:08,360 I know. 1524 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,360 That's fucked up. 1525 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:11,360 Are you ready? 1526 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,360 Why aren't they beating the shit out of Joyce? 1527 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,360 Where is he? 1528 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:16,360 Break or snag old dude. 1529 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,360 Break or snag. 1530 01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:24,360 The police were able to gather quite a bit of information from the cabin search, however. 1531 01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:34,360 They were able to deduce that Richard had most likely gotten sick from consuming spoiled food or dirty water because the underwear they found had shat in them. 1532 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,360 Had shat in them. 1533 01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,360 He pooped his pants. 1534 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,360 Had shat in them. 1535 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,360 I don't know if he pooped his pants, but they were shat in the underwear. 1536 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,360 That's where they were getting the DNA from. 1537 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,360 He got sick. 1538 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:51,360 That's awful. 1539 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:58,360 What they were essentially saying was clearly these guys aren't really going out of their way to get food or water. 1540 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:03,360 They're essentially making themselves sick based off of what they're trying to survive off of. 1541 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:08,360 Even so, the duo were able to evade police for another few days. 1542 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,360 On June 26th, 20 days after the break out. 1543 01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:17,360 Sorry, I was just thinking why don't they just follow this scent of shit and follow the shit trail. 1544 01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:22,360 That's a whole new definition of the term shit stain. 1545 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:33,360 On June 26th, 20 days after the break out, Richard Matt was spotted in Franklin County, New York after he shot the driver of a passing vehicle with a shotgun. 1546 01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:39,360 He was trying to kill the driver and steal the vehicle, but he was unsuccessful and the man would survive and get away. 1547 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:40,360 Oh, good. 1548 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:47,360 So he made it 24 days without harming anyone. 1549 01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:52,360 But now they're getting desperate. They're probably really hungry, dehydrated, and running around without underwear. 1550 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,360 They're naked somewhere. 1551 01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,360 Shit on his ass cheeks. 1552 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,360 He's just running to the street. 1553 01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,360 Just hauling ass with shit. 1554 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,360 The driver was able to alert police. 1555 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,360 He's just down in someone's car, showing the fucking seat. 1556 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,360 The perp was here. 1557 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:15,360 He can't sit anywhere else. He's going to get found out. 1558 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,360 The feet. 1559 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:24,360 Sorry. Oh, that's really funny. I knew you'd like that. 1560 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:29,360 So the driver was able to alert police and US Border Patrol officers were sent to investigate. 1561 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,360 After searching for a while, they heard something familiar. 1562 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:38,360 The sound of a pussy ass bitch coughing around the corner. 1563 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,360 Oh, there he is. It's the where to gone. 1564 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,360 What? They heard him cough. 1565 01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,360 He was trying to hide from them when he coughed. 1566 01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:52,360 That sounds like a joke. One of those, like the potato sack joke. 1567 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,360 It's like meow. Oh, it's just a cat. 1568 01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,360 Woof woof. Oh, it's just a dog. 1569 01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,360 When they were hiding in the potato sack. 1570 01:02:58,360 --> 01:02:59,360 Potatoes. 1571 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:00,360 Yeah, I remember that. 1572 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:01,360 Idiot. 1573 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,360 Like he literally like, he like couldn't hold in a cough and that's how they found him. 1574 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,360 I never say you couldn't hold in a fart or something. 1575 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:08,360 That'd be even funnier. 1576 01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,360 Oh, there he is. I can smell him from here. 1577 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,360 They came across Richard Matt carrying the shotgun still. 1578 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:25,360 Police urged him to drop the weapon, but when he refused and held it up, Richard Matt was shot by a supervisory agent and former Army Ranger, Chris Voss. 1579 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:30,360 Richard would be shot three times in the head and would not survive his wounds. 1580 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,360 Wow. So you died right there. 1581 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:33,360 You died. 1582 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:43,360 Richard's body would not be claimed for over a week after his capture and the prison would release a statement that they would be putting Richard through a popper's funeral if his body was not claimed by 5pm that day. 1583 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,360 I didn't know what that was. 1584 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:49,360 So essentially it would be like a John Doe type situation. 1585 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:54,360 It's what prisoners or the prison would do if an inmate died and they don't claim their body. 1586 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,360 Yeah, yeah, you're right. 1587 01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:01,360 Nicholas Harris, Richard's son, would be the one to step up and claim his father's body. 1588 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:02,360 Wow. 1589 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:08,360 Nicholas was 23 at this time and it was not the least bit surprised that his father was able to escape once again. 1590 01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:13,360 Nicholas was noted as saying that it was, quote, shocking that nobody would really expect that. 1591 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,360 Like he fucking escaped before. 1592 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,360 He tried to escape in Mexico. 1593 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,360 You had to put snipers outside of the fucking courtroom when you arrested him. 1594 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:26,360 Like you really didn't think he was going to try to escape and you give him all this freedom in prison, not that it's their fault but still. 1595 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,360 Yeah, sounds like Nicholas just, he's like, you guys are fucking idiots. 1596 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:31,360 I know I'm not a mean guy. 1597 01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:32,360 Give me this guy. 1598 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:33,360 I've never fucking met the guy. 1599 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:34,360 Yeah, I'm never even. 1600 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:35,360 Exactly. 1601 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:42,360 Nicholas would also refer to his father as a quote, genius, but told sources, quote, I don't know him to say I respected him or not. 1602 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,360 Because I guess they asked him and he respected him. 1603 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:45,360 I don't know him. 1604 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:46,360 I don't know him. 1605 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:47,360 How could I? 1606 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:51,360 Nicholas's location was unknown at the time of Richard's death as the two had split up. 1607 01:04:51,360 --> 01:05:00,360 After Richard took off, David hid in a deer blind used by hunters and even saw an officer walk right past him as he hid. 1608 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:08,360 Two days later on June 28, New York State Trooper Sergeant Jay Cook drove past David as he was walking down the road. 1609 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:09,360 Just no hands on me. 1610 01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:10,360 Probably naked. 1611 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:11,360 Probably naked. 1612 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,360 She's free ballin' it at least. 1613 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:14,360 I know where. 1614 01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:19,360 Jay immediately circled back to have a chat with him, unsure right away if it was actually David or not. 1615 01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:20,360 Yeah. 1616 01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:21,360 I'm sure he was. 1617 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:22,360 But again, remember they had street clothes. 1618 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:23,360 Yeah, that's true. 1619 01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,360 I mean, they could have just been in his street clothes. 1620 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,360 Hey, by the way, just you're walking out here by yourself. 1621 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:28,360 We're on the lookout for somebody. 1622 01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:29,360 Yeah. 1623 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,360 That actually looks a lot like you. 1624 01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,360 If you see your doppelganger, just call. 1625 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,360 Can I see your, can you take your pants off? 1626 01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:36,360 I can see it on your face. 1627 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,360 Were you shitting yourself right now? 1628 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:39,360 That was Richard. 1629 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,360 Oh, my bad. 1630 01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:47,360 Once the officer turned around, David began running across a hayfield and Jay would begin chasing him. 1631 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:48,360 Oh, shit. 1632 01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:53,360 The officer shot twice at David, hitting him in his right shoulder and left arm from 73 yards away. 1633 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:54,360 Dang. 1634 01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:55,360 Good shot. 1635 01:05:55,360 --> 01:06:02,360 This incident occurred about 16 miles from where Richard was found and just a mile and a half from the Canadian border. 1636 01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,360 Oh, so he was like almost there. 1637 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:05,360 Clearly. 1638 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:06,360 Or seemingly, I guess. 1639 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:12,360 David would be taken to Albany Medical Center where he was in critical condition, but he would ultimately survive. 1640 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:13,360 Critical condition for being shot? 1641 01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:14,360 Well, I guess arteries. 1642 01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:15,360 You have arteries all throughout there. 1643 01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:16,360 Yeah. 1644 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:17,360 That makes sense. 1645 01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,360 I'm sure they didn't like race him to the hospital either. 1646 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:21,360 You're fine. 1647 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:22,360 Get up. 1648 01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:23,360 Come on. 1649 01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:24,360 Come on. 1650 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:25,360 You can walk. 1651 01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:32,360 On July 5th, 2015, David was moved to a special housing unit in the maximum security five points correctional facility. 1652 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:37,360 David would plead guilty to two felony accounts of first-degree escape, which I didn't know that was a thing, 1653 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,360 and an additional count of promoting prison contraband. 1654 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:45,360 He was sentenced to three and a half to seven years to be served consecutively with his life sentence. 1655 01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:46,360 Wow. 1656 01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:53,360 He would later admit that the two split up because Richard became, quote, unfocused and was, quote, slowing him down. 1657 01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,360 He was just slowing me down. 1658 01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,360 He's probably going to fucking freeze his idea. 1659 01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,360 Hallucinating because he's probably hungry as shit. 1660 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:00,360 How are you starving? 1661 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:05,360 Joyce Mitchell pleaded guilty to promoting prison contraband and criminal facilitation. 1662 01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:10,360 She was sentenced to two and one-third to seven years in prison. 1663 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,360 Two and one-third of a year. 1664 01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:13,360 Two and a third of a year. 1665 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:14,360 To seven years. 1666 01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:15,360 It was like a thing. 1667 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:16,360 Yeah. 1668 01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,360 She was granted parole and released from prison in February of 2020. 1669 01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:19,360 Wow. 1670 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:25,360 Gene Palmer pleaded guilty to promoting prison contraband, which is a felony, and was sentenced to six months in jail. 1671 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,360 He would serve four months and be released on good behavior. 1672 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:35,360 There are tons of stories on this, and the most popular one is probably Showtime's Escape at Danimora. 1673 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,360 That's like the biggest one. 1674 01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:41,360 She should have been charged for the crimes that they committed after they escaped. 1675 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,360 She also should have been charged for, like, indecent exposure with an inmate. 1676 01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:46,360 Because even though that wasn't... 1677 01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:47,360 Because they can't consent. 1678 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:48,360 Yeah, they can't consent. 1679 01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,360 And even though they might not have had sex, she still gave them nude photos of herself. 1680 01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:56,360 She probably got a hell of a plea deal, though, because she probably gave them all the info she knew about them. 1681 01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,360 Yeah. 1682 01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,360 I don't think they'd have assisted in their capture. 1683 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,360 But even them shooting that guy with the shotgun, she should be liable for that. 1684 01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:04,360 She should, for sure. 1685 01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:05,360 Take her ass to civil court. 1686 01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,360 Sort of a fucking hacksaw, like, come on. 1687 01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:12,360 But yeah, it was like a Shawshank fucking moment, and I just want to pepper this in here at the end. 1688 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,360 No diagnosis was ever done for Richard Matt. 1689 01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,360 I don't know if he was ever evaluated. 1690 01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:23,360 I saw one source that said that David Sweat was either diagnosed or suspected of antisocial personally disorder. 1691 01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:24,360 But yeah. 1692 01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,360 What the hell is the case? 1693 01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:30,360 Well, I'm glad that Andy Dufresne got away, but I'm certainly glad these guys didn't. 1694 01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,360 Yeah, it's fucking nuts. 1695 01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:40,360 And I was like, dude, I heard briefly on another podcast, they mentioned the documentary, and I was like, I have to do that case. 1696 01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,360 That sounds so interesting. 1697 01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:46,360 I was like, how cool would it be to see both of their childhoods when they met up? 1698 01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,360 And Richard was, I don't want to say, significantly older than David. 1699 01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,360 He's 15 years older than him. 1700 01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:52,360 Yeah, it's not too bad. 1701 01:08:52,360 --> 01:09:05,360 Yeah, but still, clearly, I mean, charming manipulative, not only with women, but I'm sure it led into this situation relationship with David in prison because he was older, more experienced as a criminal. 1702 01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:12,360 And David probably thought that Richard was so cool, and he was cooler by proxy because he knew this career criminal. 1703 01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,360 And he's escaped before, so why wouldn't I trust him to know that it was escape? 1704 01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:16,360 And shit, he fucking did. 1705 01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:17,360 I mean, they did it. 1706 01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:18,360 Yeah. 1707 01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:21,360 But yeah, that's making me curious. 1708 01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:22,360 I know. 1709 01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:23,360 What a daisy. 1710 01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:28,360 So it wasn't until, and I was going to ask earlier, did they find them in a cabin? 1711 01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:33,360 Because I remember that when you were saying 2015, I was like, there's no way I haven't heard of this. 1712 01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:34,360 Yeah. 1713 01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:40,360 And I did remember after you were talking about it, but I wouldn't have remembered names or known anything about the past, you know, their past at all. 1714 01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:46,360 Yeah, it's really unfortunate because both of them really just got kind of put through the ringer immediately when they were born. 1715 01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:47,360 Yeah. 1716 01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:48,360 They didn't really have a fucking chance. 1717 01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,360 Like neither one of them with Richard being left in the car. 1718 01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:58,360 And then, you know, thankfully, Nicholas didn't get subjected to all that because Richard was in jail when he was born. 1719 01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,360 Good for you, Nicholas, for breaking the cycle of abuse. 1720 01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:01,360 Yeah, absolutely. 1721 01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:02,360 I completely agree. 1722 01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:12,360 And then of course with David, like, you know, his mom, like admitted to not having given him the best childhood, but then like just shipped him off to foster care to be with his aunt and uncle when he, when he wasn't, you know, responding the way she wanted to. 1723 01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,360 It's like, what the fuck do you expect? 1724 01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:15,360 Like, you're partying all the time. 1725 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,360 Like, I'm sure the household wasn't calm, you know, ever. 1726 01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:19,360 Yeah. 1727 01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:23,360 Yeah, perhaps there was, you know, verbal abuse, psychological abuse, whatever. 1728 01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:34,360 And then you expect him to just be like an angel child, you know, not everybody, especially if he has antisocial personality disorder that can be caused by trauma and not cause but brought to the forefront. 1729 01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:35,360 Right. 1730 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,360 You know, genetically predisposed. 1731 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,360 Yeah, it seemed like neither of them were close to their fathers, really. 1732 01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:45,360 And, you know, the exposure that I think Richard had, he was like an asshole. 1733 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:46,360 He was a criminal too. 1734 01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:47,360 And a criminal. 1735 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:51,360 And then both, again, foster care and all that other stuff. 1736 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,360 And then, you know, it's just, yeah. 1737 01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:57,360 Yeah, but that was a formidable years right there and hadn't hadn't been taken care of. 1738 01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:04,360 Yeah, there was a bunch, a bunch of additional information that I felt just it wouldn't have made the story anymore clear. 1739 01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,360 It was a lot of other information I found though. 1740 01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:14,360 So definitely recommend if you want to hear like more of like all the details, watch the documentary, the escape at Dan and more, I think it's showtime. 1741 01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:15,360 But there's a bunch of other ones. 1742 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:16,360 And what was it? 1743 01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:22,360 No, Shawshank, it's like kind of, it's not based on obviously it's happened before, but people compare it a lot to Shawshank. 1744 01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,360 And if you haven't seen that movie, it's really good. 1745 01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:25,360 It's really good. 1746 01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:31,360 And the best part is when the guard says, if I hear so much as a mouse fart in here, I'm coming in here and cracking skulls or whatever the fuck he says. 1747 01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,360 Like it's so good. 1748 01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:34,360 Yeah. 1749 01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:42,360 And there is like, I think there was like a date line or some kind of episode like that, like something on oxygen about it. 1750 01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:43,360 Sure. 1751 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,360 And then there's like a couple of different like just single episodes out. 1752 01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:47,360 You can find that on online. 1753 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,360 I'm sure there was quite a bit of coverage just because I mean it was 2015. 1754 01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,360 It's not like it's, you know, 1930s. 1755 01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:59,360 And I left this out as well like in my notes, but I did just want to also mention like David's mom when she found out that he escaped. 1756 01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:04,360 Like she said that he had stopped writing letters to her like two months before they escaped. 1757 01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,360 Like they had like frequently written letters and he stopped. 1758 01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:11,360 And then she was saying like when he escaped, we were like so fearful that he was going to get killed or he was going to hurt somebody else. 1759 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:15,360 And she's like, I'm really thankful that he's alive, but I'm not interested in talking to him. 1760 01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:28,360 Well, it sounds like if he stopped corresponding with her, it sounds like he did it kind of out of protect her not to give him a great quality, you know, but to kind of because they would probably think the first place I'm going to go is to my mom's because I'm really close to my mom. 1761 01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:35,360 Yeah, no, for sure. And it probably came from a good place if you want to give him that, but I don't know. 1762 01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:46,360 So yeah, there's not really much known about like David today, but of course he's in like a maximum security like cannot get out like probably like one hour a day outside on a cage. 1763 01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,360 And he is like 43, I think. 1764 01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:49,360 Yeah. 1765 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:50,360 So yeah. 1766 01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:55,360 Well, that's well within my age range. I guess I'm going to write him on a little letter. 1767 01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,360 Oh my gosh, don't be one of those girls. 1768 01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,360 Can you tell me how you were scammed? 1769 01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,360 What was there? We talked about that hint hint something similar to that. 1770 01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:04,360 Yeah. 1771 01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:09,360 On the bonus episode of Lady that I did hasn't come out yet, but that'd be an interesting mental breakdown. 1772 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:10,360 Yeah, for sure. 1773 01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,360 Well, thank you guys for joining us. 1774 01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:13,360 You're welcome. 1775 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:14,360 I like that one. 1776 01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:15,360 Again. 1777 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:26,360 Thankfully, I don't have to deal with that anymore. I just feel so bad for Nicholas, but he by all accounts has just seemed so graceful about like the whole thing like super like I'm not associated with my father, but you guys are done. 1778 01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,360 For not realizing who he is. 1779 01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:33,360 Like, I love that like thought process is like I don't even fucking know him and I know him more than you. 1780 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,360 Yeah, because you guys don't fucking pay attention. 1781 01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:37,360 Right. Yeah. 1782 01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:38,360 Do better. 1783 01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:39,360 And I know that they did at that prison. 1784 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:46,360 They like cemented down that sewer like the manhole and then they like they like took additional measures to make it more secure. 1785 01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:47,360 Yeah. 1786 01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:48,360 You know, from now on. 1787 01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,360 And of course, those people don't work anymore. 1788 01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:51,360 So crazy. 1789 01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:52,360 Okay. 1790 01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,360 Well, we will be back soon with another minty break. 1791 01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,360 It's a merch. 1792 01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:57,360 Get some merch. 1793 01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:58,360 Dagnosingatkiller.com. 1794 01:13:58,360 --> 01:13:59,360 Check us out on social media. 1795 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,360 Everywhere is at diagnosing a killer other than Twitter, which is that killer diagnosis. 1796 01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:04,360 I'm getting better at that. 1797 01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:05,360 Yeah. 1798 01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:06,360 Right. 1799 01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:07,360 It's a review. 1800 01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:08,360 Leave us a review. 1801 01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:12,360 I looked on Spotify last night, the analytics and we have like 300 followers on Spotify. 1802 01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:13,360 Really? 1803 01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:14,360 Yeah. 1804 01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,360 It says we have 80 on Apple, but we have like 300 on Spotify. 1805 01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:17,360 So thank you. 1806 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:23,360 And I also noticed the only state in America that we haven't had a download in is South Dakota. 1807 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:27,360 Anyone knows anyone from South Dakota refer our podcast? 1808 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:28,360 That is so funny. 1809 01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:34,360 What were we, I think it was, I want to say it was Jordan and Saxon that they said like 1810 01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:38,360 one of the places that they haven't met anybody from in their lives is South Dakota. 1811 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,360 Do you think South Dakota exists? 1812 01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:41,360 No, it's probably like a Montana. 1813 01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:42,360 It's like a Montana thing. 1814 01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:43,360 It doesn't exist. 1815 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:44,360 Yeah. 1816 01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:45,360 Yeah. 1817 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:46,360 Or birds. 1818 01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:47,360 Well, birds aren't real. 1819 01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:48,360 Same thing with like bears. 1820 01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,360 Like apparently the only bear that exists is like cocaine bear. 1821 01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:54,360 Because Alex has a shirt that Dana got it for Alex and said it flies its spies. 1822 01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,360 They always joke about like birds aren't real. 1823 01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,360 They fly its spies. 1824 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,860 And then a news report the other day about how they were taking like dead birds and then 1825 01:15:02,860 --> 01:15:06,360 they were like reanimating them with computers inside their heads. 1826 01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:07,360 Hell no. 1827 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:08,360 I know. 1828 01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:09,360 Actually make that happen. 1829 01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:10,360 It's happening. 1830 01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:14,860 Yeah, but South Dakota, if anyone knows anybody in South Dakota, hit us up, hit us up and 1831 01:15:14,860 --> 01:15:17,360 also we got a download in Iceland. 1832 01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:18,360 I know. 1833 01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:19,360 It's B-Work. 1834 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:20,360 I don't know. 1835 01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:21,360 Is it? 1836 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:22,360 I don't know. 1837 01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:23,360 I hope so. 1838 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:24,360 Yeah, Iceland and Bermuda. 1839 01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,360 We got a download in Bermuda or maybe a couple. 1840 01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:28,360 Wow. 1841 01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:29,960 But we're like super pop it in the UK. 1842 01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:30,960 Like we love you guys. 1843 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:31,960 Oh, I love that. 1844 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,860 Please, please message us if you're from another country. 1845 01:15:34,860 --> 01:15:35,860 I say that like every episode. 1846 01:15:35,860 --> 01:15:38,360 He really wants to just communicate with somebody from another country. 1847 01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,440 I think it's interesting like the cultural differences. 1848 01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:44,360 I've always been super interested in the idea of like a pen pal from another country. 1849 01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:45,360 Like I really have. 1850 01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,360 And that's why I'm like so excited because this is a real way to connect with people. 1851 01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:49,360 Yeah. 1852 01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:50,360 Across the fucking world. 1853 01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:56,040 I was talking to a friend of mine who lives in Manchester and we were just doing like 1854 01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:59,640 little voice messages back and forth and he said he was he was like, oh, I just got off 1855 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:00,640 of work. 1856 01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:01,640 I'm waiting for the lift. 1857 01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:06,360 Like I'm waiting for my lifts and I was like, I was like, they have lift and then I was 1858 01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,360 like, oh, an elevator. 1859 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,360 Oh, I was thinking. 1860 01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:15,360 Well, because I was like, well, it's I hear dinging in the background and I was like, it 1861 01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:16,360 doesn't sound like he's outside. 1862 01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,360 It's like, why don't you just see an Uber? 1863 01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:19,360 It's better. 1864 01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:20,360 Yeah. 1865 01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:21,360 And I was like, oh, that's why I didn't realize they had Uber as their looser. 1866 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,360 Oh, you mean a fucking elevator. 1867 01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:24,360 That's horrible. 1868 01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,360 Well, I might sound silly, but wasn't Uber like an is it an American company? 1869 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:28,360 I thought it was invented in Germany. 1870 01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:29,360 It's only in America. 1871 01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:30,360 Yeah. 1872 01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:31,360 It's a German word. 1873 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:32,360 It's a German word. 1874 01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:33,360 Yeah. 1875 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:34,360 I really don't have the umlaut on top of it though. 1876 01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:35,360 I don't think. 1877 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:36,360 Oh, I don't know. 1878 01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,360 I thought it was available worldwide. 1879 01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:39,860 No, I might be wrong. 1880 01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:42,960 Well, because it puts other rideshare companies out of business. 1881 01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:46,160 Like there's some, I mean, it's like those scooter, stupid scooter things. 1882 01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:47,160 Bird scooters, the Lyme scooters. 1883 01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:48,160 God, I fucking hated those. 1884 01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:49,160 What a terrible fucking idea. 1885 01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,160 I almost got hit by a car on one of those at Oklahoma. 1886 01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,160 Yeah, because nobody's fucking looking out for them. 1887 01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,160 They're not, they're not really like even street legal. 1888 01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:57,160 They're not. 1889 01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,160 And you supposed to ride them on the sidewalk where people walk. 1890 01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,160 They go up to like, I think they go up to like seven or eight miles an hour. 1891 01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:02,160 Yeah. 1892 01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:03,160 Fucking fast. 1893 01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:04,160 Drunk people take them home. 1894 01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:05,160 They constantly crash into the cars. 1895 01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:06,160 We can get a ticket on one of those we're riding in. 1896 01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:07,160 It's just ridiculous. 1897 01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:12,160 And then it's just like, they're wasteful because apparently they make them really, really cheap. 1898 01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:17,660 So like unless people are like picking them up to like do the battery charging station 1899 01:17:17,660 --> 01:17:20,960 or whatever, like they'll just, I mean, it's just wasteful. 1900 01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:22,460 It's just literally just trash on the ground. 1901 01:17:22,460 --> 01:17:23,460 You created trash. 1902 01:17:23,460 --> 01:17:24,460 Thanks. 1903 01:17:24,460 --> 01:17:25,460 You created trash. 1904 01:17:25,460 --> 01:17:31,160 And you're trash and you should feel trashy for making trash. 1905 01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:32,160 Oh man. 1906 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:36,360 But yeah, like in places like, like even in New York and stuff, they wanted to ban Ubers 1907 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:40,160 and Lyfts because it was putting the city's taxi business out of business. 1908 01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:41,160 Oh yeah. 1909 01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:42,160 Taxis in New York. 1910 01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:43,160 Yeah, we really don't. 1911 01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:44,160 It takes like 40 minutes. 1912 01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:48,160 I have only ever ridden in a taxi twice, once in Hawaii and once in Austin. 1913 01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:49,160 Yeah. 1914 01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:50,160 I've only ever ridden in a taxi once. 1915 01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:51,160 Oh, in New York. 1916 01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:52,160 We did New York. 1917 01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:56,160 Me and Kelly were catching a taxi to go to a party at like 15, 16 years old. 1918 01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,160 That was when taxis like were. 1919 01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,160 Oh, it cost us like 30 fucking bucks. 1920 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:01,160 It was down the street. 1921 01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:02,660 I don't think it was 30 bucks, but. 1922 01:18:02,660 --> 01:18:04,660 I remember one time I was with my friends and we tried to prank. 1923 01:18:04,660 --> 01:18:08,160 We were just doing like prank calls or whatever, like before, like when cell phones like first 1924 01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,160 became a thing at my dial 2222222 was like, no, it's gonna have this number. 1925 01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,160 Yellow Cabinals are all like, oh, fuck. 1926 01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:18,160 We used to call information. 1927 01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:22,160 We'd be like, yeah, could you get me the number to Travis Barker and Riverside, California? 1928 01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,160 Oh, that's so funny. 1929 01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:25,160 They were like, sure thing. 1930 01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:26,160 One second. 1931 01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:27,160 That's awesome. 1932 01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,160 Well, yeah, thank you guys for joining us. 1933 01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:35,160 If any other podcasts are listening and you guys want to potentially hit us up, we can 1934 01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:36,160 check out your podcast. 1935 01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,160 We'd like to connect with others, you know, how it goes. 1936 01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:45,160 I'm really excited to get to know some people at the True Crime Paranormal Podcast Festival 1937 01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,160 in Austin and August. 1938 01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:52,160 Again, I need to take a step for that at diagnosingkiller.com and there should be a link on there. 1939 01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,160 Again, click all the links, guys. 1940 01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:55,160 Click all the links. 1941 01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:56,160 Yeah. 1942 01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,160 And also, I just wanted to plug this really quick. 1943 01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:02,160 I know we have like a specific ad for it, but we are now sponsored by BetterHelp as well. 1944 01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:07,160 If you guys are interested in starting any kind of therapy or looking for someone new 1945 01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:11,160 or something 100% virtual, we are sponsored by BetterHelp. 1946 01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,160 You can go to betterhelp.com. 1947 01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:18,160 That's BetterHelp H-E-L-P just to be clear. 1948 01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:22,160 And yeah, they are sponsoring us now and we obviously care a lot about you guys and your 1949 01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,160 mental health, so we definitely want to make that available to you guys as well. 1950 01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:26,160 Yeah, absolutely. 1951 01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:27,160 Maybe we should put that on the website too. 1952 01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:28,160 Yeah, yeah, you're right. 1953 01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,160 Since it's a like a web link instead of like just a code. 1954 01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,160 It'll be on the resource tab. 1955 01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:33,160 Cool. 1956 01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:34,160 We'll put it on there. 1957 01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:35,160 Okay, well we will see you guys next time. 1958 01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:36,160 Alright, love you. 1959 01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:37,160 Bye. 1960 01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:38,160 Alright, love you. 1961 01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:39,160 Bye. 1962 01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:46,160 You don't need real ink to make an impact. 1963 01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:49,160 Let the power of temporary tattoos tell your story. 1964 01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:54,160 Temporary tattoos specializes in a wide range of temporary body art, including custom tattoos, 1965 01:19:54,160 --> 01:20:00,160 with the option to add unique effects like metallic, glitter, glow in the dark, and so much more. 1966 01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:04,160 Temporary tattoos are easy to apply and last up to five days. 1967 01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:09,160 When you're ready for your new look, simply remove your fake tattoo using their lemon 1968 01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,160 scented removing wipes, rinse, and repeat. 1969 01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:16,160 Temporary tattoo, experiment with a new look without the commitment. 1970 01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:22,160 Use the link in the show notes below for 10% off stock tattoos and bring your new look to life. 1971 01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,160 Are you a true crime advocate? 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