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Hello. Hello. Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer.

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The mental breakdown. I'm Kenna. I'm Koelle.

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I always say how's everybody doing? How's everybody? How's it going everybody? How's it going?

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We've been talking about the Albert Fish episode and how minorly it was.

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If you guys haven't heard, we have Albert Fish as our first Patreon-only exclusive episode for our tier 2 and 3 patrons.

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We've been talking about the Poptrons and if you want to get access to that, just join one of those tiers. It was kind of lightly edited but for the most part super raw, super unfiltered.

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Really long episode. It was almost 2 hours I think.

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And all my pronunciations of all the afflictions at the end was just, I just butchered it all.

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You got all the botched ones because we didn't want to look it up and come back because we didn't really want to edit so much. So we just all learned something.

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Yeah, I do wish that I had said what it was and then what the fetish was or whatever.

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Oh yeah, well we can maybe put that in the notes or something.

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No, I think everybody else can mess up their search history if they want to.

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That's true.

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So yeah, thank you guys for joining us. We have some just exciting stuff going on recently. I know we feel like we say that a lot but you know the True Crime Podcast Festival lately.

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We were both guest hosts on other podcasts as well which is really cool. And yeah, just looking forward to that True Crime Podcast Festival.

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Get your tickets at our website, DiagnosingAKiller.com for 15% off of those tickets and come see us at our booth in Austin in August.

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You always say like that.

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Yeah, look out for the episode of Movication that I was privileged to be a part of and then the episode of Lady You're Scaring Us that Kenan was a part of.

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Yeah, I know I felt so cool because we did the whole episode and then at the very end Hillary was like, do you want to stay on and do a bonus episode with us?

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And I was like, let's fucking go. I was like, why is it for like two and a half, three hours? I was like, oh my gosh, but I loved it.

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Not me. I told Tyler and Brady to fuck off because I was like, it's fucking late.

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They do long episodes though, right?

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They do. I know. Brady is so funny because we were just chit chatting at the beginning and then he was like, okay, well is everybody ready?

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And I was like, we haven't been recording this whole time.

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Like, oh wait, now I have to remember everything I already said and repeat it.

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I kind of enjoyed that though because then it was like, we weren't really like nervous or I wasn't nervous anymore because it was like just talking and just getting the feel.

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I was pretty nervous when we first started, especially because we did like a just audio kind of collab.

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It wasn't like a face, like a zoom or anything.

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So I couldn't really see like anyone's body language.

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I was like, do they like me?

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But yeah, it ended up being really good. So super excited to hear both of those episodes and go follow them on Instagram.

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You can follow us on Instagram at DiagnosingAKillerAnywhere except for Twitter, which is at KillerDiagnosis.

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We're going to hopefully, I keep saying that we need to update our TikTok.

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We really just need to get good at editing videos because the video edit skills are not good on my channel.

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Yeah, we don't really know how TikTok works.

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Does anyone want to do our TikTok videos for us?

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Seriously.

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And also go check out our merchandise.

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We have a bunch of new merch. We're still working on new designs and stuff.

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So give us any suggestions you may have and we're staring at a shirt that says full body heaps right next to us.

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I liked the way that it came out in this red t-shirt.

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It looks really good.

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Yeah. And I again, what Tyler was saying on the vacation, I was like, how is the, because he was wearing the, he was wearing the, is he the lady shirt?

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Well, yeah, we're recording.

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Yeah.

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Oh, that's funny.

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So, which is funny because then I think Brady was wearing a direct written and directed by Kevin Smith hat and then I was wearing my, I assure you were open shirts.

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So it's kind of cool.

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Anyways, yeah, it's like sublimination, I think is what they call that.

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So it's like where it's,

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It's not like a patch.

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Yeah.

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Or like a really cheap shirt you'll get from like the beach stores or whatever.

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It's like, it's pressed in there.

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It's not like a vinyl.

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Yeah, there you go. Yeah, exactly.

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So we'll be checking that out and keep reaching out to us. I want to hear from you guys still and anybody in other countries, let us know because it's always cool.

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I still can't wrap my head around the fact that like people listen to us across the world.

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Like that's so weird to me.

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Not weird. Like it's so cool.

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It's just a hard concept for me to grasp.

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People have way different lives in us.

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And we live in America.

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We live on a little island according to us.

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So, yeah, exactly.

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And in Texas, especially.

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All right, we're going to get into this mental breakdown.

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And I told you that I had done some mental breakdown topics.

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I had written them down and this one, I had written down something a little bit different.

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But when I started to research it, I fell into this topic and I was like, this is going to be way more interesting.

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And it's going to be really exciting.

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Okay.

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So today we are going to be talking about the four different types of hitmen.

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Like contact killers.

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Like contact killers.

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Yes.

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What?

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There's four different types.

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I know.

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And I got really into it.

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I was like, oh my gosh.

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That's cool.

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And this is just want to give a blanket statement about this.

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This is based on a study that was done in the UK.

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I will plug their name of the school that did it.

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But I got like most of my info from them.

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Okay, cool.

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And then just a small content warning.

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Of course, we're going to be talking about hits on people.

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There are some cases we're going to get into.

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So a little bit of, you know, gruesome kills, some sort of suicidal tendencies kind of come

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up as well.

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So that's a content statement.

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So first and foremost, we are going to be talking about what it means to quote, take out a hit

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on somebody.

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And this is not a DIY course by the way.

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Yeah, seriously.

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And what a contract killing really is.

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So it's so funny because I was looking it up and it fucking popped up like one of the

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questions was like contact, contract killing, annual salary or whatever.

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And a fucking Indeed article came up.

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It's like take that off.

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I get scared sometimes like I started for my next case, hint hint, I'm like researching

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domestic terrorism.

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And I'm like, oh my God, the FBI thinks that like, no, yeah.

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No, trust me, you're trying to hire someone.

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Yeah, trust me.

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I host a podcast.

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I'm not looking this up for myself.

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It's for the audience.

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So contract killing is a form of murder or assassination and was in which one person hires another party

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to kill a targeted person or persons.

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And it's also involved in a legal agreement in which some form or payment monetary or

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otherwise is exchanged.

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So some form of payment, however you want to pay, I'll have sex with you if you kill

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this person, whatever.

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Something's exchanged.

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Sometimes I think that does happen.

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I guarantee you it does.

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Well, I mean, that's, you know, essentially what like the fairs is like, which we'll talk

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Now a contract killing does not necessarily have to be just between person to person

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like two individual people, but either party can be a person group or organization.

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And I'm sure we all are thinking it the mob or the mafia.

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They don't do that stuff.

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No, definitely not.

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And if they do, I don't want to know about it.

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Contracts killing provides the hiring party with the advantage of not having to carry

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out the actual killing.

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And it's supposed to make it easier to not get caught because you're not actually involved

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in the murder.

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Although as we know, there are many times where people get found out as hiring somebody.

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Tons of times.

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Whether or not they admit it, the hit man turns them in or better yet, if they accidentally

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hire an undercover cop to be the hit man.

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Which also happens.

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We've seen that before.

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That's hilarious.

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Now, contract killers may exhibit the same traits as a serial killer, which I thought

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was interesting.

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But they're generally not classified as such because third party killing objectives are

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usually different than that of serial killers.

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For example, a serial killer may feel the need to kill to satisfy something deep inside

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of them while a hit man may simply kill for money.

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No emotion involved.

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No emotion.

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The cop bond suggests that while hit men are frequently compared to serial killers, they

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quote, do not experience or require a cooling off period between their murders because of

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the unemotional and pragmatic nature of their killing.

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Interesting.

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I love that pragmatic word.

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You know, we talk about, especially like BTK, like he waited so long in between like

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his kills and even like years or even weeks sometimes is like a big gap between killings

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when it comes to a specific person.

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But these people will like, they don't have to have that time period because they're not

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attached to the killing part.

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They're not.

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There's no recovering or what do they call that?

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Like a refractory period, I think is what that's called, right?

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Where it's like you said that cooling off period and you know, with a serial killer,

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I bet that they would have to like gear back up to like commit that again or have that

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same anxiety or you know, manic feeling or whatever in order to commit the crime.

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So, nevertheless, although they have different traits, there are certain individuals that

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can be labeled as both serial killer and the hit man.

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Just one fact.

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Do you think it's just like, oh, you know, I'm really interested in like animals, so

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I'm going to become a veterinarian?

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I'm really interested in killing people, but you know what would be really great is

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if I could get paid to do so.

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And honestly, like that's why a lot of people join the military.

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Oh, that's true.

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And that's what we talked about.

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We're going to talk about.

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So, fun fact, if you can call it that, a contract killer is usually known as a hit man while

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one that works for a criminal organization is actually typically referred to as an enforcer.

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Ooh, an enforcer.

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That sounds so much cooler.

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I mean, you've seen mob movies.

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There was a study done in Australia on 162 contract killers between 1989 and 2002 that

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suggested that the most common reason for murder for hire was insurance payouts.

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We hear this all the time, you know, we take out a life insurance policy and then they

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mysteriously die.

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Yeah, I fall into the serious.

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Usually does the fucking work.

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The study also found that the payments to the hit man varied from $5,000 to $30,000 per

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killing and averaged at $15,000.

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Only what?

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That's not even that much money.

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15K.

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I don't believe it's a lot of money for to kill someone.

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Yes.

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I just, I feel like, I don't know.

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I just feel like, well, clearly you don't value that person's life and neither does the

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person that's killing him.

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I get it.

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But I feel like when you listen to these stories that it's usually like 50,000 or 100,000,

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you know, like.

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Like, you know, you're charged.

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I don't think I, I don't know.

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I feel like for me, I don't think it would be like a monetary thing.

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You would have to put me in a situation where you would have to be like harming somebody

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that I loved or something, you know?

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That's the answer I was kind of hoping for because if you answered a number and you asked

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me, I wouldn't fucking charge anybody because I wouldn't do that.

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It would have to be like one of those like if you don't do this.

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Then, you know, yeah.

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Not like giving anybody any ideas here.

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A million dollars.

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A million.

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So, as we probably know, the most common used weapons were firearms.

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This is from this specific study and contract killers actually made up 2% of all murders

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in Australia at the time of the study.

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What?

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Usually they were saying it's like a prevalence across the world.

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Like contract killers actually make up like a small percentage of murders in any country

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and they're actually like way more common than you think.

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Probably not.

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Well, I would hope not in the US.

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Well, no.

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No, in the US.

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Sure.

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So, we had like two men from all countries and everyone else had like two or three and

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we had like 50.

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Really?

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That were caught.

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That have been caught?

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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How many in Australia do you think?

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There was like four like infamous ones.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, that one specific study was just during that time frame in Australia.

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The one that we're going to talk about the most is a more recent one.

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This was done by Birmingham City University in the UK and it was released in 2014.

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This suggested numerous things about Hitman, this study.

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They included that Tuesday is the most common day of the week for a hit.

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What?

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So, watch your backs tomorrow.

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While March, May, and July were the most common months for a hit to take place.

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Out of the 35 Hitmen and one hit woman researched over the course of 39 years, their average

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age was 36.

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This is again just this one study.

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135.

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So, you got to watch the age out of it.

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Victims were almost always murdered in suburban neighborhoods, most often doing something pretty

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mundane like drinking coffee or mowing the lawn.

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That's how it's the geek mowing the lawn.

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Just get sniped.

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So, lastly, and what we're going to get into specifically, the study suggested that there

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are four main types of Hitmen.

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Okay.

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The first of these four types of Hitmen is called the novice.

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The study describes the novice as just that, a beginner or trainee, but quote, this should

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not be interpreted as implying that the Hitman was unable to plan the hit or carry it out

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successfully.

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In short, even very young novices can make successful Hitmen.

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Hmm.

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So, the study listed 15 year old Sontra Sontres Gale of the UK as their example of a novice

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Hitman.

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We're going to talk about him for a second.

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In March.

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In March.

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Damn it.

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In March.

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In March.

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In March.

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In March.

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In March.

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In March of 2010, Sontre was paid just 200 pounds to carry out the murder of Gullistan

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Subasi, a 26 year old mother who was living with her mother and her son at the time of

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her death.

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Why?

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It'll explain in a second.

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Well, it actually didn't explain why, but I'll tell you who hired him in a second.

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Police were shocked when they watched CCTV footage of Miss Subasi being shot in the chest

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with a son-off shotgun at point blank range on her mom's doorstep.

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But perhaps the more shocking thing was seeing the killer slowly walk away from the body

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just after killing her without even glancing back.

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Just poop poop poop poop.

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Just walked away.

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He was concealed, his identity was concealed, but still.

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When detectives found out that the man in the video was 15 year old Sontre, they were

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even more shocked as they originally thought it was a seasoned professional, judging by

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the quote, chillingly deliberate and cold blooded way in which the hit was delivered.

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Yeah, I was going to say at 15, just be like bam and then walk away.

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Yeah, especially for your first one.

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Like that sounds bad, but like you'd think that-

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Walk all the way up to the doorstep.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's crazy.

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He was involved in a gang and trying to win over the older members' trust, so when he

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was tasked with this hit, he did not hesitate.

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He would be arrested and tried for this crime and sentenced to a minimum of 20 years, I

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guess because of his age, and it's in the UK, so they might have a different-

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Did you just like randomly pick her out or the gang did?

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So, yeah, the quote, older gang member who told him to carry out the hit was 21 year

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old Isaac Billy.

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21 year old.

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21.

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So, it actually didn't- I didn't read too much further into it, I probably could have

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found why they wanted her killed, but I'm not sure if it was a random prove yourself

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or if she was maybe involved and trying to get out or whatever the bad exactly.

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So that is the novice and that's the best example that I found that they gave in the

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study.

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That's crazy, at 15.

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Yeah, so young.

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The second type of hitman listed by the UK study is known as the dilettante.

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The dilettante.

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Dilettante.

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Oh.

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So, this type of hitman does not necessarily come from an offending background and only

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seems to have decided to accept a contract as a way of resolving some form of personal

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crisis.

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More often than not, the crisis is financial.

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Okay.

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So, they don't typically kill, they don't really have a criminal background but they're

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so desperate and they're like, fuck it.

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So, they make money.

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Exactly.

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Okay.

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This type of killer will usually get the job done, but quote, not necessarily with

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any enthusiasm or skill.

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So yeah.

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So they'll kill but they won't, it'll be messy.

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I've definitely seen this on Dateline before where that one guy was hired to kill that

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one guy's wife and he had recently got fired from his job working for this man's company.

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And the man said, I know I just fired you a week or two ago but I'll pay you to kill

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my wife essentially.

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Well, and that sucks because you're pulling out the most vulnerable person that you know

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is fucking desperate.

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Yes, exactly.

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And so, he went in and the woman fought.

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All this stuff she was trying to protect her children, which is awful because the children

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were in the house.

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Fucking awful.

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And chased her all the way downstairs.

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There was blood all over the house.

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It was just horrific.

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It's awful.

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But again, the man was so desperate for the money.

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He didn't care.

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How messy it was or whatever it was.

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It doesn't matter as long as she's dead.

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As long as she's dead, it might get in my money.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's awful.

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Unlike the novice, these types of hitmen don't come from criminal backgrounds like I said.

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So they typically do not use the most common murder weapon, firearms.

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Although they will commit to a job, they will actually often not go through with it.

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I have heard that too.

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Sometimes they turn the dude in.

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So the study's example of the dilettante is 26-year-old Orville Wright, not to be confused

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with the plane guy.

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One of the brothers that invented planes.

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What year was this?

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This was 96, so probably not the same guy.

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He's a vampire.

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So sometime in 1996, Orville had accepted nearly 4,000 pounds from his intended victims,

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former lover, to carry out the murder with the promise of an additional 1,000 pounds

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upon correct completion.

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So if he did it and he did it right.

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Orville put on a balik lava ski mask.

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Grabbed a knife.

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Balik lava?

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Balik lava?

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Balik lava?

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Balik lava?

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Not to be confused with baklava.

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I was gonna say.

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Balik lava?

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Yeah, it looks like a ski mask.

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He grabbed a knife and broke into the home of 30-year-old mother of three, Teresa Pitkin.

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Unlike the first hit that we spoke about, Orville did not immediately try to kill Teresa,

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and instead he just began a conversation with her.

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With the ski mask on?

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Yes.

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Kind of weird.

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Well I'm sure she was like, what are you doing here?

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And he was like, okay, he's like, oh, uh, well okay, one second.

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Yeah.

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See I was skiing and...

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Right.

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And I found this knife.

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Teresa said about this encounter, quote, I thought he was going to rape me, but then

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he told me he had been contracted to kill me.

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Oh.

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He told her.

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And it's even scarier, like listen, like I don't have a choice here, like I gotta kill

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you.

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Like I had to kill you.

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At first, Orville had told Teresa that he had been hired by a friend of her ex to cripple

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her, but then he admitted to her that her ex, David Martin, had actually hired him to

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kill her.

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Oh my, what do you do?

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What do you do?

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Someone comes into your home and says, look, your ex hired me to kill you.

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And all I can think of is like the strangers with the like the potato sack, man.

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Yeah.

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And he's like just watching.

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By the way.

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Oh my God.

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Teresa was able to keep Orville talking and he eventually actually decided to not go

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through with the killing.

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He's like, shit, now we're friends and like I can't.

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She fucking kept nerd his ass.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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She did kept nerd his ass.

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Orville would be found guilty of aggravated burglary with intent to cause grievous bodily

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harm and was sentenced to two and a half years in prison.

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Well he didn't kill her and he came clean and what about the boyfriend?

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David Martin denied any involvement and was never arrested or charged.

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How do you live the rest of your life?

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They actually, her and the Teresa and Orville became like kind of like homies afterwards

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and her and her mom both forgave him and he was from Jamaica and they actually offered

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to buy him a plane ticket to send him home.

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Oh my God.

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And they did and he went home.

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Because he was desperate.

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Well, he just, I guess, he was desperate for money here.

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I know.

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That's so sad.

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I thought you were going to say that the two would quickly get married.

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Yeah, that's the thing.

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That should be on the shirt.

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It should.

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The two would quickly marry.

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I don't know if I sent you though about that.

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No, I sent you on that.

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It's something to do with that.

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It doesn't say that.

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I haven't even looked at it.

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I need to update the website.

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That's all right.

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The third type of hitman involved in this study is one known as the journeyman.

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Ooh, the journeyman.

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The journeyman.

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According to the study, quote, the journeyman is someone who is capable, experienced and

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reliable but not an especially exceptional performer.

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This type of hitman will often have completed a greater number of contracts than any of

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the others.

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However, we do acknowledge that this sample we have developed is a sample based on failure.

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In other words, these are contract killers who have been captured.

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I see.

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End quote.

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Yeah.

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Since it's harder to catch the hitman in this category, there's not one specific killer

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that the study named in relation to the journeyman.

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The best example given is that of Vincent Vega and Jules Winfield in Pulp Fiction.

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Oh, I love that movie.

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People, it's okay if you haven't seen Pulp Fiction because I saw it for the first time

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like last year.

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It's actually a pretty good movie.

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So the study goes on to say that the average journeyman will not have the same like snappy

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dialogue like the characters in the movie.

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They will instead keep to themselves and avoid saying too much or getting caught.

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They kind of just don't talk about it.

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I feel like they're like bragging about it.

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Sit down and Samuel L is having a burger and like.

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It's super casual.

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The study suggests, quote, successful hitmen, masters in other words, have never been captured.

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So the sample is skewed somewhat.

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However, it's their connection to a specific area's criminal underworld that leads to their

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downfall.

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It is local intelligence that can be given to the police to bring them to justice.

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So it's like, you know, well, it's bottom of the barrel gets gets tagged first.

499
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,160
So it's like, you know, like what they're saying, like even through organizations and

500
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,000
stuff like that, that if you're lower on the totem pole, you're likely the one that's

501
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,000
going to take the fall.

502
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,000
Yeah, exactly.

503
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,760
And sometimes those guys take the fall even when they didn't do it.

504
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:34,760
They didn't do it.

505
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,680
Well, they have people specifically there to take the fall on purpose.

506
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:39,680
Right.

507
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,120
Now, lastly, the fourth type of hitmen that they were talking about in the study is called

508
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:44,120
the master.

509
00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:46,120
Oh, hello.

510
00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:49,760
Since they're never caught, it's significantly hard to study the master hitman.

511
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,120
But from what we do know, it pretty much goes with the guidelines from Leon in the professional,

512
00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:58,160
quote, no women, no kids, that's the rules.

513
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,160
Yep.

514
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,280
These killers are typically very strict in their training, so to speak, and they have

515
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,440
very under the radar lifestyles, making them virtually invisible and the perfect silent

516
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:07,440
contract killer.

517
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,440
Sounds like Dexter.

518
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,440
Yeah.

519
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,560
It's got like a rule, like a list of rules that he adheres to.

520
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:12,560
Yeah, exactly.

521
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,160
He probably lives like code.

522
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,240
Somewhat of a normal life during his everyday life.

523
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,160
And that's why he didn't want to get involved with women.

524
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,640
They do not trust easily, and they will hardly ever get caught by being sloppy.

525
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,720
The study states about these hitmen, quote, it's not like you can interview these people,

526
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,760
but unlike the journeyman, they will not be identified locally.

527
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,200
They will go into an area, carry out the job, and then leave again.

528
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,320
It's pretty clear that they have paramilitary or military background, meaning they have

529
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,360
access to weapons, are comfortable around them, and are able to dispose of any evidence

530
00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:45,720
linking them to the hit, end quote.

531
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,720
Which is what you just said.

532
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,280
Like these are the people that a fall guy will probably take the fall for.

533
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,280
Yeah.

534
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,280
Because they're too important.

535
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,280
They're too important.

536
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,280
They carry out too much stuff.

537
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,280
They probably make too much money.

538
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,080
They probably like all that.

539
00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:01,360
So the example used to describe a master hitman in the real world was the brutal execution

540
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:05,480
of Frank McPhee in Scotland in the year 2000.

541
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,400
Frank was a long time Glasgow gangland boss and was reported to have built his, quote,

542
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,920
underworld empire on drugs and robbery.

543
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:19,080
He did serve some time in jail from 78 to 82 and again in 86 to 90 for various crimes,

544
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,480
but he was out after that.

545
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,000
It was reported that a 5,000 pound contract had been put on his life, and police were

546
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,840
able to work a theory that he had tried to take control of the drug trade from Irish

547
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,840
terrorists.

548
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,520
But all the police could do was come up with potential reasons for this alleged contract

549
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,480
because there was no confirming that the master hitman even existed.

550
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:39,480
There's no paper trail.

551
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:40,480
Exactly.

552
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:46,160
So they heard it through the grapevine that maybe this guy's a hit on him.

553
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,200
Have informants, probably working undercover as well.

554
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,920
But other than that, again, it's not like they're exchanging emails and ceasing people.

555
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,120
Yeah, it can all be speculation.

556
00:23:56,120 --> 00:24:02,920
In May of 2000, Frank was killed by a single shot to the head from a.22 rifle with a telescope

557
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:08,200
sight outside of his home from 500 yards away.

558
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,200
Wow.

559
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,960
Unfortunately, his son was with him when he was shot and killed and witnessed his father

560
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,240
being shot from seemingly nowhere and died.

561
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,960
That's, I can't even imagine.

562
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,480
Like, all of a sudden.

563
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,480
No threat.

564
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,480
Probably no noise.

565
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,480
No nothing.

566
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,480
You're just going on about your day and then just.

567
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,160
Yeah, that's exactly what it would probably sound like to you.

568
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:35,680
Although Frank was killed just 1500 feet from a police station, the killer was never found.

569
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,000
Wow, he is the master.

570
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,200
He, well, the person that killed him is the master.

571
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,400
So lastly, that's the four types of hitmen.

572
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,480
But lastly, I just want to talk about some infamous people that hired hitmen.

573
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,480
Okay.

574
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:55,480
I know I know some of the cases, but I kind of went into detail, so we'll talk about these

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So the first one is a man by the name of Anthony Lair, 30 years old.

582
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:30,240
He had actually hired a teenager to kill his wife in 2001, claiming that he wanted to gain

583
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,920
custody of their four year old daughter and obtain the rights to their assets, like their

584
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,360
flat and their cars and stuff like that.

585
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:37,360
Cool.

586
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,040
Fought for divorce like every other normal person.

587
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:44,520
So allegedly she had been denying him access to her and so he's like, well, if she's talking

588
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,160
about my fucking kid, yeah exactly.

589
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,160
But still.

590
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,160
Yeah.

591
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,680
So Anthony began thinking about this plan for many weeks or who knows how long before

592
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,840
he would actually ask a group of young boys outside of a McDonald's how much they would

593
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,240
charge to kill somebody.

594
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,240
Hey kids, want to make some money?

595
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,240
Right.

596
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,200
So he had actually seen the boys numerous times and even acted as like a mentor of sorts

597
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,200
to them.

598
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,200
Like he would give them advice or he would just be like cool.

599
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,200
He would buy them beer probably.

600
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,000
He would have his hands in his pockets and like he's leaning against the wall.

601
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,640
Like he's not dangerous.

602
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,080
So they believed he was making a joke but one day he shook up conversation and he's

603
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,200
like, hey, how much would you guys, like I just did with you?

604
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,640
How much did you charge to kill someone?

605
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,920
One of the boys, a 15 year old who was not named, replied a million dollars.

606
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,920
A second 16 year old boy by the nickname of Gavin replied that he would do it for just

607
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,960
a hundred thousand dollars.

608
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,560
And a third boy stated that he would do it for just a hundred dollars.

609
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,320
I do it for a case of beer.

610
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:39,320
Yeah.

611
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,320
Right?

612
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,040
Pat on the back and a good job.

613
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:48,200
So Anthony agreed to the price of $100,000 suggested by Gavin and he said, name a target.

614
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,640
Just name a target and I'll tell you, you know, in matter of fact, I'll name a better

615
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,640
one, my wife.

616
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,440
So if you could kill anybody in the world, I would say, kill my wife.

617
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,440
My wife.

618
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,480
Here's a picture of her.

619
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:00,840
She's home between these hours.

620
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,840
Yeah, exactly.

621
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,680
So he used this conversation to steer it towards his wife, Annie.

622
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,800
And he suggested that he would pay Gavin the amount he wanted if he would kill his wife.

623
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,560
And again, these are not, except for Anthony, everyone else's name is, I think it's fake,

624
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,280
like to conceal the identities of the other miners.

625
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,800
Annie is true, but she had like four names and Annie, I guess was the English version

626
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:21,800
of her name.

627
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,800
Oh, what is it?

628
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:23,800
Yeah.

629
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,240
So he told the boys that he despised his wife for not allowing him to visit their daughter

630
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,840
frequently and also the amount of assets he would gain if she was dead.

631
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,560
He's like, by the way, I want the flat.

632
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,560
I want the car.

633
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,560
Like just, can you just kill her?

634
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,560
Yeah.

635
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,560
I want the car.

636
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,560
Yeah, exactly.

637
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,720
Again, the boys perceived this as just a, haha, a joke.

638
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,720
And just left.

639
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,720
They're like, no, fuck you.

640
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,720
Dumbass.

641
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:51,280
So in the first week of May, 2001, Anthony yet again met up with Gavin and the other

642
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,440
15 year old boy who was not named and once again brought up his wife.

643
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,400
Oh, what are you guys going to kill my wife?

644
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,920
This time he straight up asked Gavin to do it, even telling him to do it by covering

645
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,640
her mouth with one hand and slitting her throat with a knife from behind.

646
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,240
He was like telling her how to do it.

647
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,200
He also showed photos to the boys of his life.

648
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,760
It's like, here's what she looks like.

649
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:15,760
Just to make sure.

650
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:16,760
Yeah.

651
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:17,760
Not mistaken identity here.

652
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:18,760
Yeah.

653
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,920
It was at this point that Gavin realized that Anthony was fucking serious.

654
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,760
Gavin said that he would consider it and he would, he wasn't going to, but he was like,

655
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,080
yeah, I'll consider it and he leaves.

656
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,080
Sure.

657
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,080
Yeah.

658
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,080
Okay.

659
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,880
I guess he might have been thinking about it a little bit because he did confide

660
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,840
in a 14 year old female friend of his that was also not named, but he was like, listen,

661
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,840
like, what do you think?

662
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,840
Yeah.

663
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,840
And he ultimately decided not to take Anthony up on the offer because his friend suggested

664
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,840
it might be a bad idea.

665
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,840
Maybe that.

666
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:45,840
Killing someone?

667
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:46,840
Yeah, probably bad.

668
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:47,840
Probably not.

669
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,840
Probably not.

670
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,840
Great thing.

671
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,920
Backing out, Gavin also warned his 15 year old friend not to go through with it.

672
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,040
Again, this 15 year old does not have a name.

673
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,800
I'm going to refer to this 15 year old by the alias Z, like the letter Z.

674
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:00,800
Okay.

675
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,320
From now on.

676
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,560
Another youth in the group, 22 year old Seah, was approached by Anthony to kill his wife

677
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:11,440
as well, shown the photos and offered $100,000.

678
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,160
After realizing that Anthony was serious, the boy declined the offer and suggested that

679
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,120
if Anthony wanted his wife dead, he should just hire a professional.

680
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,120
Yeah.

681
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,120
Go hire the master.

682
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,120
Yeah, the master.

683
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,120
Go hire the master.

684
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,120
You can even hire the novice.

685
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,120
I'm not doing that.

686
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,120
I'm not going to become the novice.

687
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,120
I'm not going to become the novice.

688
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,120
I'm not going to become the novice.

689
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,120
I'm not going to become the novice.

690
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,000
Anthony would later tell this boy that he could not find a professional to do it.

691
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,760
I just couldn't find what I looked everywhere.

692
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:34,960
I looked everywhere.

693
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,440
The best I have is a few 14 and 15 year olds.

694
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,680
No professionals in this area.

695
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,640
The last two young people in this group outside McDonald's originally, 17 and 19, later

696
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,600
stated that Anthony would always bring up killing his wife anytime he saw them and they

697
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,680
quote thought he was crazy and declined.

698
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,720
Like it's just like, oh shit, here it comes Anthony again.

699
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,720
Kill my wife, kill my wife.

700
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,720
He's running up.

701
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,720
Hey, guys, how's it going?

702
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,720
They're like, oh great, how are you?

703
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,720
He's like, fuck in wine.

704
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,720
My wife is still alive.

705
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,080
My wife is still alive.

706
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,640
Just waiting.

707
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,600
However, the 15 year old Z was still not declining Anthony's offers and was still kind of considering

708
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,480
it.

709
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,380
He would eventually agree to carry out the murder.

710
00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:19,920
On May 10th, 2001, Anthony brought the 15 year old to his flat and described in detail

711
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,680
what Annie looked like.

712
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,200
The youth brought a long steak knife with him, planning on carrying out the deed.

713
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,400
He saw Annie getting out of a cab and going into her building to get to the fourth floor.

714
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,520
Z tried to follow her, but he actually lost her after the elevator.

715
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,280
Like somehow he had, I guess he's like, lagged.

716
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,120
He was like, shit, she's already gone.

717
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,840
Trying to run up the stairs.

718
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,920
He would hang around for a moment and then he spotted Annie yet again, this time with

719
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,200
her daughter in tow, seemingly going to the park.

720
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,080
Upon seeing the little girl, the 15 year old decided he could not go through with it and

721
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,080
left.

722
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,000
He was not pleased with this as he told Z that he didn't care if his daughter was there

723
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,720
and to kill Annie anyway, even if her daughter was there.

724
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,720
In front of the kid?

725
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:05,720
Yeah.

726
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,440
Like you want custody of her, you clearly don't care about what she sees.

727
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,360
That if anything, she'd be a witness.

728
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,760
Or she'd like cling to him because of the loss of her mom.

729
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,840
She's like, like, chetrified or whatever.

730
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,840
Traumatized.

731
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,280
The next day, on May 11th, Z decided he would not carry out the plan.

732
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,240
But before he could back out entirely, he received a phone call from Anthony urging

733
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,440
him to do it that day.

734
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:34,800
This kid, Z, was kind of known by his friends to be a little gullible and a little influential.

735
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,400
Like he would kind of go along with things.

736
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,920
Oh, he was highly influenced.

737
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,920
Yeah, not influential, yeah.

738
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,920
But you know what I mean?

739
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:40,920
He would go along with things.

740
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,640
Like it was really easy to coax him into doing stuff.

741
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,560
And especially when it came to money.

742
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,120
Z would comply and once again, he would miss Annie on the fourth floor after the elevator.

743
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,520
I don't know how.

744
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,520
Dummy.

745
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,600
Later that day, the boy saw Annie, this time with Anthony and their daughter together.

746
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,120
Just hanging out with him.

747
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,120
He decided.

748
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,120
Sorry.

749
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,120
But what a great alibi for Anthony, right?

750
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,120
Yeah.

751
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,120
It's like he was there.

752
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,120
He was there.

753
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,920
And like someone just came up in a tactos.

754
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,080
So at this point, Z decided for good that he wasn't going to do it.

755
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,400
He's like, I'm not going to kill Annie.

756
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,400
Like this is a sign.

757
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,320
This is the fourth time I fucking tried.

758
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,320
Yeah.

759
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,040
And he would tell Anthony that he was not going to go through with the plan, but Anthony

760
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,400
actually threatened suicide if he didn't kill her.

761
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,200
So Anthony was saying like, I'm going to kill myself if you don't kill my wife.

762
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,200
Like okay.

763
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,120
He's like, go for it.

764
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,120
Yeah.

765
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,720
On top of this though, he also threatened the boy and his family if he didn't comply.

766
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,720
That makes more sense to me.

767
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,720
Yeah.

768
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,880
Honestly like, yeah.

769
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:46,120
Z went back to Anthony's home on May 13th, where Anthony presented him with a samurai

770
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,360
sword as a gift for his compliance.

771
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,360
He really liked it.

772
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,280
This kid was like, oh my God, this kid is super fucking cool.

773
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,320
Until Anthony stated that he wanted the boy to use it to kill his wife.

774
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,320
How subtle.

775
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,680
He killed his mother weapon.

776
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,680
When the boy refused yet again, he tried giving the sword back to Anthony.

777
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,320
Anthony would take the sword and threaten to use it to kill the boy if he didn't comply.

778
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,200
So now he's like threatening him.

779
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,880
It's not just like, hey, I'll pay you.

780
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,200
It's like, if you don't do this.

781
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,040
Why doesn't he just kill his own damn wife?

782
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,080
Yeah, for real.

783
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,520
The next 24 hours consisted of the boy trying to back out and continuously being coaxed

784
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,600
back into it by Anthony.

785
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,280
So he decided, just get this over with, like he's never gonna give up.

786
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,480
Yeah, he's never gonna leave me alone.

787
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:39,360
So Z would show back up to the flat on May 14th, steak knife and textbook in hand.

788
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,360
Textbook.

789
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,440
It was supposed to be his alibi that he had been out studying, I guess.

790
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,400
He'd taken it from his home and he was to have it with him on his person in case anything

791
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,400
happened.

792
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,400
I'm not sure.

793
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,400
It wasn't very well thought out.

794
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,680
It was an anatomy book.

795
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,840
It's like, oh, where's the throat again?

796
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,720
Yeah, and there's also a lot more detail than this, but for time's sake and since it's

797
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:03,080
a mental breakdown, I kind of just like bullet pointed the most important parts to get to

798
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,040
the root of the story.

799
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,480
This day, Anthony had also made it a point to have Annie sign some papers, essentially

800
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,280
like giving him his or her estate or whatever, anything like to left to him.

801
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,200
But I'm not sure how he kind of like did it again.

802
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:21,720
It was a lot longer of a conversation than just that, but he's getting her to sign some

803
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:22,720
papers.

804
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:27,720
Wasn't the whole point of him assassinating her or getting her assassinated was because

805
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:30,280
she wouldn't sign over things?

806
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,560
Yeah, and she wouldn't let him see her daughter and now all of a sudden he's hanging out with

807
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,560
her.

808
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,560
Hanging out with him.

809
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,560
Yeah.

810
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,560
I'm not sure.

811
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,240
Again, there's more detail, but essentially what had happened is that Anthony had snuck

812
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:40,240
the boy in.

813
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:41,600
It was like a multi-level flat.

814
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,080
So Anthony had snuck the boy in and while this conversation was taking place, the boy

815
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,640
was downstairs like kind of listening.

816
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,640
Yeah.

817
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:48,640
And he was kind of like spying on them.

818
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,120
Anthony knew it was down there, but Annie of course didn't.

819
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:58,480
So at this point, he convinces her to sign the papers and she goes, yeah, really quick,

820
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,560
let me just run up to my mom's flat to borrow a pen.

821
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,360
Her mom lived in the same apartment complex.

822
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,360
She's like the Airbnb.

823
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,840
And she probably realistically was going up there to talk to her mom about what was

824
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,800
going on and instead of borrowing a pen.

825
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,800
Yeah.

826
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,360
And saying, by the way, I just signed over a bunch of these assets.

827
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,360
Yeah.

828
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,600
Or I'm about to, should I or whatever.

829
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,560
So unbeknownst to Z, Annie's mother lived a few floors up.

830
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,840
So he would follow her after she leaves the flat.

831
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:27,840
He's like, oh, perfect.

832
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:28,840
I'm going to go follow her.

833
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,560
Maybe if he floors up, I'll kill her there.

834
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:32,560
Right.

835
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,560
And that also gives him Anthony and Alibi too.

836
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,560
And of course, yeah.

837
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,280
Because she was gone and Anthony actually, she was going to take the daughter with her

838
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,240
and Anthony was like, no, no, no, like she'll be fine.

839
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,560
Just let her stay with me for like five minutes while you're gone.

840
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,320
Thankfully, he had that fucking time.

841
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,320
At least, yeah.

842
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,760
Because he was totally willing to use his own daughter as a witness.

843
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:50,760
Yeah, exactly.

844
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,840
Which is gross.

845
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:57,040
After getting off of the elevator, Annie was attacked from behind with a rag put over her

846
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,560
screaming mouth and being stabbed in the chest and neck with a knife.

847
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,600
So he did it the way that Anthony told him to do it.

848
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,600
Yeah.

849
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,600
Oh, this is so fucked up.

850
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:06,600
Never had an original thought.

851
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,360
I always like saying that about people.

852
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,240
Annie would collapse to the ground and Z would flee.

853
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:17,560
Annie was actually able to stand up and make her way to her mother's door.

854
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,280
She either opened the door or knocked and they opened, but she was able to stay.

855
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,280
I doubt she knocked.

856
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,560
Well, I don't know.

857
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:25,560
I've been stabbed.

858
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,560
Can you open the door?

859
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,240
Well, that's what I'm saying.

860
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,560
Somehow the door came open.

861
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,520
I don't know if she opened it or if it was open.

862
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,520
She made noise.

863
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,520
Either way.

864
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,400
But she was able to state to her mother and her brother that she had been stabbed before

865
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,400
collapsing on the door again.

866
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,400
Okay.

867
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,400
That's what I was getting at.

868
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,400
Yeah.

869
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,400
It's just funny that you said knocked.

870
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,400
Excuse me.

871
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,400
I don't know.

872
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,000
I don't know if she knocked on the door or...

873
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,000
She kicked it.

874
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,000
I don't know.

875
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,000
She probably kicked it in.

876
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,000
At the same time, Anthony heard screaming from a few floors up and he knew that his plan

877
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,520
had been completed.

878
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:55,520
Ugh.

879
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,840
Okay, that gives me heaps.

880
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,000
He's like, okay, he did it.

881
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Okay.

882
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Yeah.

883
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,400
Anthony grabbed his daughter again who he had made stay with him.

884
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,440
He's like, sure time.

885
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,280
Essentially what happens after this is he pretends like, oh my God, I'm so shocked.

886
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,880
He brings towels.

887
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,960
Annie would unfortunately succumb to her injuries later at the hospital.

888
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,960
Oh no.

889
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,280
So she did kill her.

890
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,640
I thought you were going to tell me in the end that she ended up surviving or that he

891
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,640
didn't perpetrate the crime.

892
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,200
But then when you said that he perpetrated the crime, I was like, surely she lives.

893
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:33,280
The 15 year old boy and Anthony were actually tried together on November 19th, 2001.

894
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,320
So just a few months later, or I guess eight months later.

895
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:41,240
The trial would last until December 5th, 2001, where Z would be found guilty of murder.

896
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:46,680
But since he was under 18, he was sentenced indefinitely to be detained during the president's

897
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:47,680
pleasure.

898
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,680
I looked it up.

899
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,640
It pretty much just means he can't be on death row and he's in like a juvenile unit

900
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:52,640
until he turns 18.

901
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:53,640
Okay.

902
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,880
It's almost like an official pardon of some kind.

903
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,880
Yeah.

904
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,920
Anthony was also found guilty of soliciting the murder of his wife and sentenced to death.

905
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,920
Oh, good.

906
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,920
Yes.

907
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,160
Wait, so how did they find him?

908
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,160
They just...

909
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,160
I'm not sure.

910
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,160
Again, there was a lot more detail.

911
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,560
This is a really long detailed case.

912
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,560
And for time's sake, I didn't really go that far into it.

913
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:13,560
Either way they were caught.

914
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,560
Yeah.

915
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,280
I think the boy caved and admitted to what happened.

916
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,240
And of course he has all the six other fucking boys that he tried to solicit.

917
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:21,240
You know what I mean?

918
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:23,920
Oh shit, here comes Anthony again.

919
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,160
And I didn't mention this in the beginning, but this all happened in Singapore.

920
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,160
Oh, okay.

921
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,160
Okay.

922
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,400
So yeah, he was sentenced to death.

923
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:35,840
The judge stated about the 15 year old quote, I see no mean miniature monster in Z. I detect

924
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,840
no vengeful or vicious spirit in this 15 year old boy before me.

925
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,640
I see instead a morose and mortified teenager who is still trying to come to terms with

926
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,400
the cataclysmic events of the last seven months.

927
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,120
He is not capable of concocting such an elaborate and consistent yarn.

928
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,080
He does not have the presence of mind nor the mental agility to utilize and corrupt

929
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,800
information to his own advantage or to the detriment of others.

930
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,840
So he knew that he was coaxed into it essentially.

931
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,560
Do you think that Z was like neurodivergent or something?

932
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,560
I think he was.

933
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,560
Okay.

934
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,160
At least slightly, because the kiddos had kind of mentioned something about that as well.

935
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,480
So Z would spend 17 years in prison and he was a model prisoner.

936
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,600
He actually got his schooling and all that stuff taken care of.

937
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,120
And he would eventually be released on November 2nd, 2018.

938
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,120
Wow.

939
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,360
He is a free man.

940
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,760
They did go through with the death penalty with Anthony.

941
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,760
I see.

942
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,760
Okay.

943
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,360
Now we're going to talk about one more case of someone hiring.

944
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,360
That one is a doozy.

945
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,360
I know.

946
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,360
It was a lot.

947
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:37,360
Oh my gosh.

948
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:43,400
In January of 1994, a man by the name of Robert Frada of Houston, Texas hired two men to

949
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,560
murder his wife as they were going through a custody battle of their three children.

950
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,560
We've heard this before.

951
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,000
It's a tale as old as time.

952
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,760
God.

953
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,440
Robert hired Joseph Price-Dash to arrange for the murder of Farah Frada and Joseph would

954
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,920
go on to hire the gunman, Howard Gheedry.

955
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,200
So Farah is the mother.

956
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,200
Okay.

957
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,280
So maybe it seemed to be potential victim.

958
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,280
Yes.

959
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,240
Well, victim nonetheless, even if she doesn't either way.

960
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,240
Yes.

961
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:10,760
Because she's at least a victim of conspiracy.

962
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:11,760
Yeah.

963
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,600
Farah had dropped the three children off shortly before returning home one day where she was

964
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,600
met with the gunman and shot fatally twice.

965
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,200
I'm pretty sure it was like in the garage too, it was weird.

966
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,120
And I didn't really get too far into like how he hired them, how he met them and all

967
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,120
that stuff.

968
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,120
Yeah.

969
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,720
But we'll find something out in a second.

970
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:36,880
As per court records, in the days leading up to the crime, the former cop had told his

971
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,320
friends about his plan to murder his wife.

972
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,520
The husband was a cop?

973
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:41,520
Yes.

974
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,520
Oh my gosh.

975
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,040
Even going as far as to ask for advice on potential hitmen.

976
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,920
Hey, you guys have worked with hitmen in the past, right?

977
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,920
Any takers?

978
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,760
Any outstanding people that I can hire?

979
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,320
He had allegedly said, quote, I'll just kill her and I'll do my time and when I get out,

980
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,320
I'll have my kids.

981
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,960
Bitch, no the fuck you won't.

982
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,200
You do not know how the judicial system works.

983
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,200
Clearly not.

984
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,200
You're not going to have my time.

985
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,200
I'm just going to do my time.

986
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,200
He's going to do my time.

987
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,200
Yeah.

988
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,200
You mean life?

989
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,200
Yeah.

990
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,400
He probably thinks he's going to get 10 hours of community service or some shit.

991
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,400
Probably true.

992
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,000
He has, I mean, that sounds really bad, but he probably has pull, you know what I mean?

993
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,000
Well, yeah, that's what they call it.

994
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,600
Oh, you know what they call that, the courtesy.

995
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,800
Yeah, well, it didn't work for him because he was tried and sentenced to death in 1996

996
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,080
for this murder for hire.

997
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,080
That's awful.

998
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,400
Although the conviction was initially overturned due to technicalities and the judicial proceedings.

999
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,600
Excuse me.

1000
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,480
He would be re-sentenced for the killing in 2009 to death row.

1001
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,840
I'm not sure what happened, but he was re-sentenced.

1002
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,840
The guys?

1003
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,160
I'm sure they got a plea deal or something for turning off him.

1004
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,160
Probably, yeah.

1005
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,160
I'm not going to turn over on him.

1006
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:52,280
The judge was known as saying about this, quote, Trial evidence showed Frata to be egotistical,

1007
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,480
misogynistic, and vile with a callous desire to kill his wife.

1008
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,480
Ew.

1009
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,480
No.

1010
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,440
I'm an Iocle sweat.

1011
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,640
His children would be raised by his parents following his wife's death and incarceration

1012
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:10,160
and the children would actually change their last names to their mother's maiden name.

1013
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,160
Aw.

1014
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,160
Yeah.

1015
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,720
On January 10th, 2023, so a few months ago.

1016
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:14,720
My birthday.

1017
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:19,200
At a 65-year-old, Robert Frata received a lethal injection at Huntsville Prison.

1018
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,200
Oh.

1019
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,360
He was actually the second person killed for capital punishment in Texas.

1020
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,400
I'm sorry, first in Texas and second in the United States of the year.

1021
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,400
Oh, really?

1022
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,400
Yeah.

1023
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,400
Wow.

1024
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,560
And apparently we have like eight more scheduled for this year in Huntsville alone, just Texas.

1025
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:33,560
Wow.

1026
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,560
Yeah.

1027
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,560
Well, Texas doesn't fuck around.

1028
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:36,560
True.

1029
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,560
Yeah, if you don't get killed before you go to prison, you're definitely going to get

1030
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,560
killed in prison.

1031
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,560
Yeah.

1032
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,400
A few minutes before the execution began, Robert was asked by the warden if he had a final

1033
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,760
statement to which he replied, no.

1034
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:47,760
No.

1035
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:48,760
Just no.

1036
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,760
I don't know why I'm here.

1037
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,680
His son, Conn, was present at his execution.

1038
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,200
Conn was known as saying, well, it was like his son and his brother, I think, and his

1039
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,120
dad, I were also there.

1040
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:06,320
Conn was known as saying, this is his son, quote, Bob was a coward in 1994 when he arranged

1041
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,560
the murder for hire of his estranged wife and 29 plus years later, he was still a coward

1042
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,840
tonight when he was offered an opportunity to at least extend an olive branch to his

1043
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,080
son that he knew was watching this.

1044
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,280
And he still shows the cowards way out.

1045
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,680
He could have said, I'm sorry.

1046
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,680
End quote.

1047
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,080
And he just, I'm calling him Bob.

1048
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,080
I know, right?

1049
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,080
Bob was a fucking coward.

1050
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,080
Fucking Bob.

1051
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,080
That was a collective fucking Bob.

1052
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:45,040
But yeah, that's pretty much all I have.

1053
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,200
I did just want to bring up two more because I know that you know about these two, but

1054
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,720
two more really infamous people that have to do with this.

1055
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:55,920
So one is a contract killer who is, of course, Bugsy Siegel.

1056
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:01,160
He worked for the organization Murder Incorporated and he was known as an enforcer.

1057
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,160
Enforcer, yeah.

1058
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,280
And do you want to say anything about him before I go to my next one?

1059
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,280
No.

1060
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,280
Okay.

1061
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,280
And then the other one is Joe Exotic.

1062
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,760
I'm never gonna financially recover from this.

1063
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,000
But he allegedly hired a hitman to kill Carol Baskins.

1064
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000
Carol Baskins.

1065
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,000
That's what he's in prison for.

1066
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,000
Yeah, exactly.

1067
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,280
Well, and animal cruelty.

1068
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,280
Of course.

1069
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,280
Yeah.

1070
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,280
But I found like 20 buried tigers on this property.

1071
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,280
I know, it's awful.

1072
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,000
All with like gunshot wounds in their heads or whatever.

1073
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,000
That's terrible.

1074
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,000
That is awful.

1075
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,240
I have the tigers.

1076
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:33,840
When I updated my calendar for May, I was just looking at it, I have a little sticker

1077
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:34,840
of him.

1078
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,440
It's a sticker of him and it says I'm never gonna financially recover from this.

1079
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,440
It's where?

1080
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,440
It's on my calendar.

1081
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:41,440
It's on your calendar.

1082
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,440
It's hilarious.

1083
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,360
The last one that I was thinking that you might talk about would be Dalia de Bolito.

1084
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,960
And Dalia de Bolito was like, she was trying to hire someone to murder her husband.

1085
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,840
And like, it was like a friend of a friend or something that she had asked.

1086
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,680
And this guy tipped off cops.

1087
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,280
And so the cops were like, oh, well, can you just like refer her this way?

1088
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,480
And so there was a UC, an undercover cop.

1089
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,480
Oh yeah.

1090
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,480
Is she videoed from inside the car?

1091
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,480
From inside the car.

1092
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,480
Yeah, I've seen that before.

1093
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,480
Yeah, it's bad.

1094
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:18,720
Yeah, but the most interesting part about it is that they take pictures of him murdered

1095
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,120
or whatever.

1096
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,440
And then they show him to her and they're like, oh yeah, like, you know, this has been taken

1097
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,440
care of or whatever.

1098
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,360
And they told him about it and he was in on it?

1099
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,360
Yeah, the husband.

1100
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,200
So they took pictures of the husband like he was dead.

1101
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,680
Like they did his hands behind his back and everything.

1102
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,600
So the fake hitman or the undercover cop shows her these photos and she's like, oh, like

1103
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:40,600
totally got it.

1104
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,600
Right?

1105
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,920
I'm pretty sure she's also the one that gave him $100 as a down payment when she was planning

1106
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:45,920
on paying him 50 cases.

1107
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:46,920
Yeah.

1108
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,400
Well, the rest of the money is going to come from his life insurance policy.

1109
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,200
So here's $100 is all I have.

1110
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,880
Actually I might be confusing two other cases because the Dalia de Bolito one is the one

1111
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,400
where she's the video of her coming home and she's like, what's going on?

1112
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,400
I was just at the gym.

1113
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,400
Oh yeah.

1114
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,800
And they're like, I'm sorry, but your husband's murdered.

1115
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,600
She's like, this is really, really bad.

1116
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:10,360
And then, but I think that maybe the cops show her the photos or whatever it is.

1117
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:16,760
Anyways, he like, at one point they were like, okay, well you're being arrested for solicitation

1118
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:17,760
of murder or whatever.

1119
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,760
And she's like, what?

1120
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:19,760
I don't know what you're talking about.

1121
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,760
And then the husband walks in and she's like, honey.

1122
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,920
Oh honey, baby, like what's going on?

1123
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,200
Like, yeah, I've seen both of those.

1124
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,640
I know both of what you're talking about.

1125
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:31,640
So bad.

1126
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,280
But then she claimed later that she was manipulated into doing it.

1127
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,880
I don't know what the fuck whoever she was talking to, I guess.

1128
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,360
Well, yeah, that's my mental breakdown.

1129
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,440
I thought it was definitely something different, but really interesting.

1130
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,760
And I didn't know like any of that before I started researching it.

1131
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:45,760
Me neither.

1132
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,960
Well, because then when you started explaining the four different kinds, I was thinking in

1133
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,720
my head like, oh yeah, that sounds like, you know, like James Bond or that sounds like

1134
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:56,680
these real world examples like Ezio from Assassin's Creed.

1135
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:57,680
Exactly.

1136
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:58,680
Yeah, interesting.

1137
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,040
Yeah, so that was my minty breaky.

1138
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,040
Anything else you got?

1139
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,040
No.

1140
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,040
I think that's all I got.

1141
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,040
That was a long mental breakdown.

1142
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,720
But we are going to be back on Thursday with another case.

1143
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:08,720
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1144
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:09,720
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1145
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:11,720
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1146
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:15,720
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1147
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1148
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1149
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1150
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:25,160
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1151
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,680
on.

1152
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,360
And we are going to be back on Thursday with another doozy of a fucking case.

1153
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:31,360
This one's going to be wild.

1154
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,720
I've been researching it for quite a while and it's two people actually that we're going

1155
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:37,440
to be doing Hint Hint.

1156
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,000
And there's some recent updates.

1157
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,480
So yeah, I love that.

1158
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,480
I love that.

1159
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:42,480
Recent updates.

1160
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,480
I know.

1161
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,520
And well, I'm not like not super recent like January 10th.

1162
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:46,520
Yeah.

1163
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,800
In the meantime, check out our merch on DignityNCcular.com.

1164
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:51,800
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1165
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:52,800
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1166
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,960
We can see when y'all are looking at our website.

1167
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,520
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1168
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:57,520
Yeah.

1169
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,080
Like specifically, we're not like CIA.

1170
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,120
We're not creepy.

1171
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,560
But we can see how many times each page has been clicked.

1172
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,200
So do a little exploration on the site.

1173
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,600
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1174
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:16,200
see just as many people looking at the merch page, the upcoming events page, and even that

1175
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,200
resource tab.

1176
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,200
Yeah.

1177
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,200
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1178
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,200
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1179
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,200
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1180
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,200
I am in the works of getting a couple things.

1181
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,200
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1182
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:25,680
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1183
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,960
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1184
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,200
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1185
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,920
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1186
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,920
Yeah.

1187
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,640
I'm definitely going to buy a shirt as soon as we get off of this live.

1188
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:35,640
Yeah.

1189
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,640
Absolutely.

1190
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:37,640
This live.

1191
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:38,640
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1192
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,640
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1193
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,640
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1194
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:42,640
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1195
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:43,640
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1196
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:44,640
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1197
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:45,640
Love you.

1198
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:46,640
Yeah.

1199
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,120
You have worked so hard for a long time now.

1200
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,120
Alright.

1201
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,120
Yeah.

1202
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,120
Great.

1203
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1204
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1205
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1206
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1207
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