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I'm Kenna.
I'm Koelle.
And I'm Tyler.
Hey, Tyler!
Welcome to the pod lab, or pod closet.
The pod closet.
It's very comfy in here.
Very comfy.
Very early, slightly dying, hungover.
We usually record at evening time, like 6.30, 7 p.m.
And it's like 10.30, something like that early.
But I'm so early in the morning.
Sorry for ruining that.
You're fine.
We already made you wait 5 hours.
What did you do for 5 hours?
A lot of H.E.B. and Walmart parking lots.
Just going inside just to kill time.
I had two extra large lattes from Black Rock Coffee.
That one, I'm actually jealous.
I definitely need coffee.
It's not great.
Anxious as hell.
I like Black Rock though.
They're building one right down the street from where our Sonic used to be.
There's one probably like maybe 2 minutes down the street now.
I've never been.
It's pretty good.
The coffee is great.
It's the anxiety after drinking 2 of them.
Oh yeah, of course.
Of course.
So as you guys can tell, we're with Tyler from Movication.
He is a racially decided to stop by.
He was in San Antonio dropping a friend off at the airport from the mistaken.
And then we made him wait 5 hours while we were sleeping.
Now he's here.
And we are doing our D.A.K. live today.
We've been hinting about it.
I wonder if anybody guessed correctly that we were going to have you.
Because I was like, he lives close to us.
He lives not in San Antonio.
Y'all are doing wonders for my ego.
I'm like, I'm nobody just being hyped up.
We thought we were going to steal you.
Thanks for being here.
And I'm sure you know how this kind of goes.
We just chit chat.
We don't really have like a script or a plot theme.
Tell us a little bit about Movication.
Yeah, definitely.
How do you guys get into that?
Where's everybody from?
Where does everybody live?
Well, we got Brady and Georgia, Coles and Florida, and then me and Joe, both in Corpus.
They got it started before I joined and I just kind of like bulldozed my way onto the podcast.
Coming in with a fucking stuff.
It's what I do.
I like to just be a guest and then eventually I'm just on the podcast.
Oh, so boring anyway.
So looking forward to having me on more.
Yeah, it's funny.
But yeah, we just each week we watch a movie that at least one of us hasn't seen before
and we just discuss it and just say our thoughts on it a lot like this.
Yeah.
Speaking of movies, I know we kind of wanted to discuss split and I got a new job yesterday.
So I was excited as I celebrated and I drank a little too much and I got home and I tried
to watch it.
I fell asleep.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
But I have seen it before.
It's just been a long time.
So I kind of know how it ends and what happens there.
But I know we kind of wanted to maybe talk about that a little bit because it does play
into of course the DID disorder and DID disorder.
DID and of course the movie thing.
I feel like that was, we were talking about maybe like a cool little collab there.
Cool.
You want me to talk about it?
Sure.
You know more than me.
First of all, Dennis's Bay.
So I think we can all agree Dennis's Bay.
Yeah, I had seen it when it first came out and I didn't really remember a lot from it
and then I rewatched it yesterday and I don't know.
I think it was just, I mean it's the night shaman, right?
Like, used to, you know, what a twist, you know, no butt chicken.
But I don't know, it wasn't really necessarily like twisty, I think.
I think it was more like, I don't know.
I think the misrepresentation of course, the DID, but I think it's also just, it wasn't
necessarily that it would focus too much like on DID.
I mean it did and you know, you had talked about the psychologists and stuff and how
some things were accurate.
Yeah.
I think it was more like, it was almost just like a superpower.
It wasn't really like, you know, which, I mean she also talks about unlocking these
things in the brain, you know, they have the answers to everything and, but yeah, I think
it was more, it was exaggerated because it was supposed to be a superpower, not because
you had DID.
Yeah, and I don't really like the fact that they don't necessarily introduce that.
It just kind of happens all of a sudden.
You're like, wait, what, I know it's supposed to be like suspenseful and like a little confusing.
You're supposed to be able to figure it out during the movie.
Yeah.
And I was like, okay, like if I didn't know immediately, like going into the movie that
he, this guy, main character is supposed to have a DID, like I wouldn't be fucking really
confused.
So I'd be like, oh, what the hell?
Yeah.
He was just talking without a list, but now he has a list.
Yeah.
I thought he's nine years old.
He's nine years old.
All of a sudden.
I want to kiss a girl.
Yeah.
But I also found out, or recognized last night that the main character, Casey, is the girl
from the menu.
And I was like, where do I know her from?
Where do I know her from?
And then I finally looked it up.
And I was like, what's, do you know her name?
The actress?
Anya Taylor-Joy.
Oh, okay.
Oh, and even that name sounds familiar, but like, I don't remember.
And then the creepy uncle is the guy from...
It's Desi Piscatella from Born to New York.
God, I love that man.
I was racking my brain last night.
I was like, where the fuck do I know that guy from?
And of course my computer that's sitting two feet away from me.
I loved him as Piscatella.
He was such an asshole.
But he was also so sweet, like the love story between him and the inmate.
It's the undeathless morning that he died last year.
He did.
And on my birthday too.
So I'm just like, damn.
I got David Bowie.
Yeah, that was rough.
I was at my birthday party and everybody's like, don't tell her.
And then I found out that I knew.
I was like, David Bowie.
I'm just crying.
Just screaming.
I know you don't have a headset on, but I don't know how loud I'm getting.
I drunkenly wrote down a quote from the movie last night.
So I was like, I'm gonna forget this.
I'm gonna try to remember for tomorrow.
LOL.
I have my notes.
What's that from?
It's from a movie.
It's like, I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm gonna try to remember for tomorrow.
LOL.
I have my notes.
What's that from?
It's from a movie.
It's like, I write things down in my sleep and then I wake up the next day and I get little
notes like everybody be twins.
Like, I don't know.
Oh, it's baby mama, isn't it?
Yeah.
Which you never had.
Yeah.
I think so.
Come up with these weird ideas in my sleep.
But my quote that I wrote down is quote Kanye West is my main man.
LOL.
I love that shot because it's, of course, like she's looking for the window.
We all know she's looking for the window.
And I just like that shot where it's just like a study shot and then he just gets down
on the ground and he just see two feet when he's dancing.
Oh my God.
It's so funny.
I don't know, man.
It's just, I think, yeah, the biggest thing is the misrepresentation.
I think that the psychologist psychiatrist did a really good job.
And obviously it's a movie, but she seems very insightful.
Like she is the bad bitch of the story.
Oh yeah.
And she's like, yeah.
And it like gave me the heaps when she was like, yeah, it kind of seems like I'm not
talking to Barry.
It kind of seems I'm, you know, she looks through her notes and she's like, probably talking
to Dennis, right?
And he like gives her this look and he's like, no.
His eyes twitching.
Shout out to Fletcher's being badass.
Yeah.
The what?
Fletcher's.
Who's that?
Fletcher's.
Oh, I know that.
Oh, that her last name.
I thought it didn't make the connection.
I was like, wait a minute.
She was this guy.
I'm still waking up.
So.
You're good.
It's the tequila.
Yeah, but yeah, it is.
But we were celebrating.
It was a bad idea.
It was my fault.
Which I was here for.
Oh, but yeah, you should have come in the time last night.
Oh, well, you had to drop off your friend.
You could have just stayed up.
You could have stayed up all night.
Where is your friend going that you dropped him off?
Minneapolis.
Oh.
Visiting a friend over there.
That's cool.
I guess it was just cheaper to fly out from here.
Yeah.
I mean, if you fly from Corpus, you're going to have to stop somewhere else in Texas anyway.
Yeah, it's like, it's like flying from Austin.
Well, I guess Austin's a little bigger.
Yeah, it'd probably be either like Houston or San Antonio anyways.
So you're just eliminating one flight.
Sorry, I just burped Thai food that I had last night.
Oh, God.
Okay.
I'm like already nauseous over here.
I can't make that work.
Don't worry.
I'm just drunkenly eating with my hands in the middle of the night.
That's a bad idea.
Why would we do that at Lord?
So what was your take on the movie?
I know you probably just rewatched it recently.
Yeah, I honestly forgot a lot about it from like the first time I watched it.
I was going to take notes on it.
And the only thing I had managed to write down was I forgot on your Taylor Joys in this
movie.
And then I just got too like sucked into it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like,
I'm sorry.
I'm not going to go for it.
I think, you know, when we were talking about like, in Night Shyamalan, like his, you know,
what a twist or whatever, the twist wasn't necessarily that he like became the beast
or like any of that other stuff.
The twist was that it was part of a trilogy.
Yeah, the Unbreakable time.
Yeah, the Unbreakable trilogy.
I had no idea about that.
I should watch Unbreakable.
I want to watch Glass now.
I want to watch Glass.
See, but I'm also not a big movie person.
Like I could not be on move occasion.
Like I would never watch the movie.
Oh yeah, I saw that one was great.
You'd be just like Cole then.
Yeah.
There's still a spot for you.
Let's stop.
Is he the one in like movie school or something?
Supposedly he went to film school.
We're still trying to verify whether or not it's an actual real.
Yeah.
That's amazing.
I think like he only watched two movies while he was there.
One was like Django Unchained and I don't remember what the other one was, but it's like
none of the films like you typically watch in film school.
Yeah.
So we're just like, did you even really go?
He was home schooled.
He did his own.
Is this a janitor's closet somewhere?
Don't make fun of our closet, right?
Goodwill hunting.
I have actually seen both of those movies, surprisingly, but I just saw them for like the first time
in the last like three years.
I'm just not a movie person.
I hate watching new things because I'm afraid that I'm not going to like it
and I'm just going to waste my time.
Yeah.
I'm the same way.
Like it's so hard to watch new things.
I just rather rewatch the same things over and over again.
Same.
Just kind of half pay attention.
Because then you don't have to like really focus.
Exactly.
It's anxiety inducing.
Yeah.
When I fell asleep last night, I started on the first or second episode of the eight
season of Game of Thrones and then when I just woke up to take a shower, it was the
end.
I was like, oh shit.
Yeah.
I forgot the Starks got a boat.
Yeah, I never got on that bandwagon either.
I was talking to Dana about that the other night.
I like never watched it.
She's like, honestly, I don't think you would like it.
And then I was like, what about Handmaid's Tale?
She's like, I don't think you would like it.
There you go.
That's all I need.
You should watch Call the Midwife.
That'd be your thing.
Are you sure?
Yeah.
Okay.
I think you would like it.
Listeners, let us know.
Grace about me just stayed in hundreds.
I love Grace.
Speaking of listeners, we actually got on DM on Instagram the other day from the
person from Norway.
They had suggested a case.
They accidentally said, I am Norway instead of I am Norway.
I am Norway.
It goes like the whole country.
It's amazing.
But she was saying that there is this infamous mass murderer slash killer.
He was like a bombing and a shooting, I think that he did in the same day.
Kind of looked into it a little bit, but it sounds like a really interesting case.
This guy is really infamous in Norway.
She's living in London now, but she was telling me about that and I was like, sounds really
interesting.
And this guy looks like a fucking, he's like a domestic terrorist.
He looks like a domestic terrorist.
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, but.
That's profiling.
I know some people can't help what they look like, but when you commit a domestic terrorism
act and then you take a picture like you're gonna look like a fucking terrorist.
So like what, lone wolf white male?
Oh yeah, of course.
Wide-eyed.
Yeah, exactly.
But yeah, thanks for the suggestion and the comment, the DM and the things you're reaching
out.
I've also got like a couple different ones lately about people just saying that they
love our content and the story I put yesterday, that guy on the TikTok that like he was listening
to a story with his friends that he was like googling in the background about like what
the words mean.
So girl messaged us and said, oh my gosh, I love you guys.
I love your content and this is so funny or whatever.
It was nice and then last night we got a message from someone that actually hosted podcasts
themselves from Pittsburgh.
So, cool.
A lot of action lately on the Instagram.
Thank you guys for like listening to me ask you to message us and doing it.
So just not.
Hillary just liked my story.
Oh yeah.
Hi Hillary.
Oh excuse me, gross.
I'm like really trying not to fall in love.
I know, you're doing a great job.
You're doing a great sweetie.
You're you.
You need to take a break, go for it.
Honestly, your eyes are so puffy.
You look like you're going to go fall asleep.
Great.
I just love that when we have a guest at the episode last night.
We're all friends, it's fun.
So can I tell us a little bit about DID?
Oh gosh, I kind of re-listened to the episode last night because I remember I've said on
the podcast before like I learn things and then I forget them and then I have to like
re-learn them.
But essentially for listeners that haven't heard the DID episode is actually one of our
really early on mental breakdowns.
I definitely suggest going to listen to it.
It's a good one.
Yeah, very insightful, very interesting.
I do say so myself.
Whoever did the research did really great.
But no, but it used to be referred to as multiple personality disorder and that's since been
changed to dissociative identity disorder because the people that do the criteria and
criteria for the DSM-5 which is the APA decided and recognized that a personality is something
that you choose and an identity is not.
So that's why they kind of changed the verbiage of that disorder and what it really means
to have it.
And essentially, I mean, what's the actor's name in split?
James McAvoy.
Yeah, that guy.
He did actually a lot of extensive research on DID after he took the role before he
portrayed it.
And I actually didn't know that that movie only came out in like 2017.
I thought it came out way earlier than that.
So I'm actually not sure if they had changed the disorder title at that point.
They had.
Because they had some five, yeah, they changed it to DSM-5 which was 2013.
So that would be four years ago.
You're right.
Okay, so it would have been.
They were using correct terminology.
Yeah, I was going to say they do refer to it as DID.
You're right, you're right.
And so anyway, he had done research.
He had looked up interviews and stuff like that to try to get an accurate depiction of
what it means to have DID.
And I think that he did a good job in the beginning of the movie.
I don't know about the end when the whole thing happens.
It got a little crazy.
And then like at the very end when he's talking to people all at once.
It's three, all at once.
Five minutes.
And he's like.
All talking to each other.
Able to like, like, that's not how that works.
Interchange them.
I mean, you know, if that's how your DID works, by whom I'm stuck to say that's not how it
works.
But as far as I know.
It got a little ridiculous.
Yeah.
But I do appreciate the fact that he tried to really understand like each one of these
personalities and then create like, I mean, even his face changes.
We were talking about that yesterday.
That's impressive.
It definitely is.
I mean, through even Patricia, like she flutters her eyes a little bit more and she,
you know, has this very like kind of sassy look on her face.
And then Dennis has this very hard brow.
Yeah.
It's really interesting to watch him portray these different personalities.
Identities.
Excuse me.
Would it be possible for an identity to pretend to be another identity in real life?
Okay.
So I don't think, I mean, I think yes, in a nutshell, I will say though, from what I know
about it, some identity, like the protector, the main forward presenting identity will
kind of tell another identity in the subconscious to not reveal that they have DID and the presence
of certain people, which is why it's so hard to diagnose.
Because even if the nine year old is out and forward presenting, they have sometimes been
taught or told if you will to not, to not out yourself.
Yeah.
Don't show it because then they're going to discriminate against us or judge us.
So that in turn would potentially make the nine year old try to act like the protector.
Okay.
Yeah.
But I don't know if it's like a, it's definitely more of a defense mechanism than a manipulation
tactic.
Okay.
So it wouldn't be like, like he was trying to trick her that he wasn't Barry or whatever,
or he wasn't a Dennis or whatever.
But I will say the beginning, not the beginning, but like the first part of the movie when he's
in the ladies clothing and the girls think it's someone and they start screaming and
he opens the door and she goes, oh shit.
I like that they, yeah, they're like pause for dramatic effect because it's like the
girls reaction first.
Yeah.
And then James McAvoy standing there with a plumb turtleneck, you know, with the necklace
statement piece.
Like a Sunday school teacher.
Yeah, exactly.
I liked Patricia.
I didn't think she was all that bad.
This movie is like one of the only thriller horror, whatever you want to label it as.
It's the only one that actually like freaks me out from like recent memory anyways.
Like really?
Everything else just kind of like makes me mad or I'm bored because it's the most predictable
things ever and stuff like that.
But like this one, I was genuinely just sitting there just like, shit.
Oh God.
I don't know.
I definitely, when I think of what?
I hope I'm just puked what?
That's like, a nodding at my little.
Did you bring water with you?
Yeah, but I'm afraid.
I'm afraid.
I don't want to open up that door for you.
I don't want to open up that doorway.
I was going to say, I can see how you would feel that way about that movie because they
did a really great job of making it seem very real.
And when you watch it, you feel like, wow, like this can happen.
It's not like a paranormal.
When I watch paranormal movies, I don't think they're very interesting because it doesn't
really, I don't really get it.
I'm like, okay, yeah, that could happen.
I guess.
But like, I've never seen it.
I've never seen it.
Unfortunately, though, what that also does is it gives people the false impression that
people with DID are dangerous.
I don't like that.
Yeah, that part bugs me.
And I know that he, Mr. McAvoy, whatever his name is, was concerned about people thinking
that DID is dangerous disorder because that's like a super common myth that people, because
they're switching all the time, they're unpredictable, but they actually don't switch as frequently
as he's portraying in the movie.
When I get it, they only have like two hours to do a bunch of different character progression.
But yeah, I think that as much as there was a lot of controversy around it, I think because
towards the end, it is so outlandish that it's meant to make you feel like, okay, this
is like beyond the scope of just DID, this is like something else, which it ended up
being, you know, because I think in glass, he's like a superhuman or something.
And so it is like, let's exaggerate it so much to where it is ridiculous.
He just happens to have DID.
Yeah, that's true.
And it kind of debunks like, okay, yeah, he has DID, but also there's a lot of other
stuff going on and that's what's scary about the disorder.
Exactly.
Yeah, that's true.
That part at the end where he's like climbing on the ceiling and he's like smashing the
bulbs as he gets closer to her.
I think like had they marketed it as the like unbreakable sequel, I guess, for lack of a
better word, that it was, it probably wouldn't have had that much of a negative reaction
as it did.
But because they made you wait until the very end, I'm sure plenty of people like walked
out on it and stuff like that.
Oh yeah, stuff watching.
Yeah.
But yeah, I can't believe it only came out.
I mean, six years ago, it seems like it came out way longer than that.
It came out after the village, the village is probably my favorite in my trauma one.
Really?
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
Because the jump, well, it was the same kind of jump scare and science too that it was
like he has this habit of waiting because there's like the classic like one, two, three
jump scare.
Yeah.
He waits until like five or six and you're just staring at a screen and you're like,
it's not going to happen.
Oh my God, it's not going to happen.
That was one of the ones that kind of like ruined like horror scary, whatever you want
to call it, movies for me because like I was watching them just like.
You can just time it.
Bored.
Yeah.
Even like the jump scare, I was just kind of like, mmm, yeah.
And then just kind of went on about my life.
Do you have a favorite in my trauma movie?
Probably split to be honest.
Really?
Okay.
Yeah.
Like Unbreakable is good too.
Yeah.
Signs also really good but.
Six cents, such a classic.
Yeah.
Love the six cents.
Nope.
He loves having Bruce Willis as a twist.
I know, that makes me sad too.
I said to Casey the other day, I was like, RIP Bruce Willis and he was like, he didn't
die.
I'm like, well, I didn't mean like RIP like he died.
I meant like it's sad like that he has been diagnosed with dementia and maybe I shouldn't
have said RIP but like I meant it like it's a big bummer.
I'm not going to put his name out there but there was a producer that was still trying
to work with him and had him working like 12 hour days and shit while he was going through
his diagnostic process process process.
Hey, if you say.
Patron.
Patron, I can say process.
Process.
I'm not, you know, going over here saying scenario.
That'd be weird.
That's not how you say that.
Scenario?
Oh, I'd say scenario.
You're right.
Scenario.
Do I say that?
Scenario.
Yeah.
How do I say that?
I say scenario and I say drama.
No, I'm kidding.
Drama.
I heard that somewhere for like the first time the other day and it pissed me off.
So I was like, I always say drama and I was like, why?
Why are we doing this?
Where are we on this earth?
I saw this TikTok of this guy.
He's like, how I think I sound in my voicemail via how like other people probably hear it
or whatever.
And he's like, hey, like call me.
He's like, hey, how's it going?
Give me a call back.
I'd like to talk to you about like going on a date or something like that.
And then it's like, greetings and salutations.
This is original.
I'd like to offer your throne.
I feel like it's so good.
That's awesome.
Greetings and salutations.
This is like a strict character.
So random question.
Yeah.
Since we wanted to get real and stuff like that.
Oh gosh, can I vomit first?
If you have to.
I'm honestly, you might want to after this.
I'm not even joking.
I'm just doing a pause real quick.
I do.
Really?
Yeah.
So bad.
Yeah.
I was like, how long have we been in here?
We've been in here for like 25 minutes.
Okay, just go.
I'll wait.
I'll suck it up.
Can a therapist diagnose something like this?
Or does it have to be like an actual like psychiatrist?
Yes.
Okay.
I get psychiatrist, psychologist mixed up.
Yes.
Okay.
So a therapy.
Good question and common misunderstanding with therapists and psychiatrists.
Therapists are psychologists.
Some therapists can be psychiatrists.
You have to have your doctorate for that.
However, most therapists are either like marriage and family counselors or they're licensed.
They're like LPCs licensed professional counselors.
They can diagnose.
They just can't prescribe medication.
Gotcha.
So they'll give you the diagnosis.
They will refer you to a psychiatrist who will then, they will probably work together
and then they'll give you a plan.
Then that person, if medication is needed, would prescribe you that medication.
Okay.
Cause 2020 rough year on everybody.
Pretty rough on me as well towards the end of it.
20, like early 2021, I got into therapy and like she'd ran some like, not, not ran tests,
but like gave me like some quizzes and stuff like that.
And I was diagnosed with PTSD and like I was just under the line for DID.
Okay.
So like, as soon as you mentioned split, I was like, this is too fucking real.
But yeah, like, I've not, obviously not to that extreme to where like I have separate personalities,
but I do, I guess like kind of put up walls to where like some people see this side of me,
others see that side of me.
So like, I don't know, just weird.
And like I have, I've dissociated before and stuff like that.
Like the one time I really remember it and was a, I had like an out of body experience where like I woke up to like turn off my phone alarm
and I saw myself doing it.
So that was weird, like cool, but scary at the same time.
But yeah, it was just, it was just funny, like y'all picked split and DID.
Like, I'm just like, this feels personal.
I feel attached.
And I was like beer, I need to get real and I'm like, oh, you have no idea how real it's going to get.
Yeah, well, it's like, there is, you know, certain tests and stuff that they can do to see if someone is experiencing symptoms of DID.
The fuck I lost my train of thought.
What was I going to say?
Oh yeah, it is a defense mechanism.
Like that's what they chalk it all up to.
So if there was and the PTSD thing kind of makes sense.
I was going to say, look what we're going to do with that.
Yeah, and it is usually something that develops in childhood and something usually traumatic,
whether it's falling off of a freaking ladder or something or something more serious,
any type of traumatic event, whether it be physical, emotional, you know, psychological, can trigger or something like that to happen,
because the brain tries to defend itself by masking.
And that's what the protector does.
They'll mask the other identities from having to endure the trauma.
Like I know that there's one interview that I listened to of this girl that had it and she unfortunately was sexually assaulted when she was a child, like often.
And she had the protector identity that would step into the role while it was happening to protect the other identities from having to experience it.
And that's a very extreme case, but that is just one example of what the brain can do.
It like it literally is to dissociate and block out things either while they're happening or block out the memory of it happening.
Yeah, and like whenever I wasn't as serious about mental health and stuff like that, like, I mean, you know, everybody joked about like, you know, schizophrenia and stuff like that.
And I was just kind of like, that would make sense for me. Like there's a lot of like things that I just forget, like large gaps and stuff like that.
So I was just like, huh, that's weird. All just comes full circle.
Yeah, definitely.
Well, and you said it can be misdiagnosed like what nine to ten? Usually, yeah, an average gets misdiagnosed about nine times before actual coming to the diagnosis because the protector usually doesn't let any other identity show during the sessions and stuff.
And so it's hard to see someone switch in front of you.
Especially, I mean, even in split when they were talking about it, she was like, I don't think I'm talking to Barry. I think I'm talking to Dennis.
And he was like, no, this is very like he was trying very hard. And that again is probably a little bit of an extreme example.
But yeah, and, you know, Casey in the movie, she was going through that traumatic thing, you know, with her uncle and stuff like that.
And so I think, yeah, it's it's kind of like looking at him. What would be like a parallel. She's the one that dealt with the trauma, you know, with the specific trauma.
And we don't know what his trauma was. Yeah.
But, you know, I mean, I don't know, they talk about it in glass.
Not that I remember.
Did they?
But it just would have been interesting like that or it is interesting that he is the one with DID and she's the one that dealt with the trauma.
Yeah, she doesn't have it, you know, because it's usually a coping mechanism for trauma.
For sure. I think that it was interesting to see her kind of recognize, not necessarily maybe that he had DID, but he that there was something going on.
Because she was like playing into the different identities, like she was like trying to talk to the little kid head wig as if he was a nine year old.
Trying to reason with them.
Yeah, exactly. That was really interesting. I just think that those other two girls were like mean to her like in the beginning, like they didn't want her to be there.
And then they were like, like, kind of stuck up. And then of course now they like turned to her and need her help.
So at the end of the movie when he's like the beast, which can't even get to this part where she fell asleep.
She's like kind of behind this cage and she's got the shotgun or whatever. I think she shoots him twice or whatever and he's going to go after her.
And throughout the movie, I do like when headwigs like, Dennis says you wear too many shirts because she's got like four shirts on.
And so it's like, yeah, like Dennis comes in and asked her to remove like her flannel or something because it's dirty. And then she's wearing like a long sleeve shirt. And then after a certain point she takes that off.
She's still wearing like another white shirt with like a tank top underneath it. And then when she's struggling, you know, having this fight with the beast at the end, he ends up ripping the white shirt off.
So she's just wearing a tank top. And then at the end, he goes to attack her and he notices that she has cuts on herself. Like she's self-harm before.
And so he leaves her alone because he is saying like some of the most damaged people in the world are the purest in the world.
Yeah, the beast whole thing is basically to like let everybody know what suffering is because that's what makes them pure in his eyes.
Like people who don't know like suffering and stuff are unpure.
That's why he killed the two goofy girls.
Yeah.
Geez, well that's wild. I wonder what, did they ever explain what happened to the dad?
No. Well, he said heart attack. He said it was a heart attack or something. The uncle said that.
At the funeral.
Wait, the uncle said that about the dad with the girls. The one by the truck, the car, right? That's what I'm asking about.
Oh, at the very beginning? Oh no, dude's probably dead.
No, they didn't say what happened.
Well, I was going to say because you were just saying that the guys really into like making people suffer and like he didn't, if he killed him instantly then he didn't make him suffer.
Also, I'm not victim blaming like at all, but just like make sure you know like who's getting inside of your car. Like if they're going to drive you.
Yeah, she's like excuse me mister, could you get out of the car?
She's like, sorry guys, I'm like you have the wrong car.
She's like dissing him. I'm like okay, I would be freaking the fuck out.
Yeah, they're both just like on their phones in the backseat just like texting away or whatever and on your tail droids just like staring out the window.
I'm like, is nobody going to see who's getting.
But then she stares at him for like a whole second and doesn't say anything.
And that really dramatic like very long reach for the door handle.
Yeah, but as soon as that clicks, like, and then he just turns to her.
It's really interesting because her role in especially in that part of the movie, like that's her thing.
She acts the same way in the menu. Like she just does that like really slow like back away kind of thing.
Goes to the you know the bathroom.
You know what she's kind of the same character.
Yeah, I think I was telling you last night like she just her acting so flat.
But when she needs to bring it like she fucking brings it.
But she plays a hamburger beautifully.
Yeah, like every movie it's just very monotone.
Very straight face. Yeah, it's like, I mean, I immediately recognized her.
She looks so I mean that she looks she's not way older, but she's you know, definitely she even looks older now than she did in that movie.
But she has the same exact like center of her face.
The same center of her face stays the same.
Yeah, that's so.
Facial gravity.
Stays in one spot.
Well, yeah, that was a I mean, good movie again. I've seen it all the way through before it's just been a while.
So I kind of watched any other.
I mean, you haven't watched any other M. Night Shyamalan movies.
Oh, I don't know. What else?
Six cents. Have you seen the six cents?
When I was a toddler.
Yeah, I fell asleep during that when I was a kid.
I did. I was always really impressed with myself because apparently it was a really scary movie, but it wasn't that scary because I fell asleep.
Even though I was a child.
That's probably why I fell asleep.
I don't like voice distortion or facial distortion. Those are like my no-go's. I could not do that.
So some of the noises that they had over the like baby monitor, some of them. I was like, yeah.
What else does he do?
He's done science. He's done.
What was the elevator one? Devil.
I never saw that one.
I didn't either. I just remember like they showed it before. I think it was like some Marvel movie or something like that.
It was like a midnight release for. They showed the preview for it and everyone was just so sucked into it.
Until it said like directed by a night Shyamalan and the whole theater just went,
Damn it.
That was during that whole very long stretch of bad movies that he's putting out for a while.
A bitch in the pond.
Lady and the Water.
I don't know. I'm not like a big director person. The only director I even could name is like Quentin Tarantino.
I know you were going to say that.
Yeah, because I know him. I like his movies.
Give me three Quentin Tarantino movies.
He did from Dustle Dawn. He did In The Reef Bastards. He did Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
He did Reservoir Dogs and he started it because he's awesome.
He wasn't in it.
He was in it.
There's a Foot Fetish.
Specifically, Oometh Urban's Feet.
Oh, Pulp Fiction. Did you do Pulp Fiction?
Yeah. I saw that movie.
I was going to say, he surprisingly didn't mention Pulp Fiction.
That's the one everybody mentioned.
That's a good one.
All the movies that I've just seen.
Eli Roth. Stacked. Come on. He's so hot.
Who's that?
Eli Roth. He's another director.
Oh, I thought you were talking about Glorious Bastards still.
I thought you were talking about the Bear Jew.
Oh, that's who I wrote.
My favorite actor.
Well, Brad Pitt can get it.
But my favorite actor from that movie is,
don't tell me,
the guy from the beginning.
I can't remember his name.
The guy that's exterminating.
Christoph Waltz.
He's so attractive and he's such a good actor.
Oh my gosh.
Oh, flash. Oh, shout out.
He is.
Yeah, Christoph Waltz.
Yeah, he can get it.
I feel like another twist and split would be,
Yeah, sorry.
It just occurred to me.
I feel like they make you think
Barry is kind of like who he really is the whole movie.
Right. And it's not. It's Kevin, right?
Yeah. Kevin Crung.
This is weird.
What is Kevin's identity like?
Because I didn't even get that far to see.
I kind of feel like Kevin is the beast for some reason.
I feel like Kevin was like,
no, no, no, that's not true because he comes out later and he's like,
it's 2014, right?
And she's like, no, it's not.
Yeah.
Okay, that doesn't seem real to me.
That's not a little line.
Essentially, like Dennis and Patricia and Barry have kept him far away.
You don't like black out though and you're like,
oh, but you know what, that's a lie because you do,
it's very,
if I'm not mistaken,
they're for an identity to remember what happened when they weren't in the driver's seat.
Right.
So that does make sense if he was not in the driver's seat for three years.
I mean, it was like three years.
Yeah, but I remember that in a movie with that girl and she was saying that she gets concerned when
the protector and or the host,
she gets concerned when her child identity comes forward because she acts like a child
and she will like wander off in black places or she'll,
you know, talk to strangers in a candy store or whatever, you know,
she's like, and I will come back like forward facing and not even know where I am because
my other identity like took me elsewhere while I wasn't paying attention,
not paying attention, but while I wasn't able to have the driver's seat rolled.
Yeah.
Really, all it shows of Kevin is like, he comes back and like,
just kind of ask like what happened, like,
make sure like what the date is and stuff like that. And once he finds out, finds out like it's two,
three years later, whatever, he's just like, do me a favor.
There's a shotgun back there. Like kill me.
Damn.
That's wild.
Well, that also like, I mean, unfortunately,
then Petrash is like, don't listen to him.
Yeah.
All of them come out.
Yeah.
We made a chair like he'll sleep for a long time or something like that.
That's what she says.
But unfortunately, like the rate of suicide is very high with people with DID because
they don't feel like they're in control. And one of the,
one of the identities is saying, no, we need to like, put this up to this, you know.
Yeah.
And it's really sad. And it is really hard again,
the reason why it's so hard to diagnose is because in order to like really be diagnosed with it,
like all the identities have to be aware that they have DID or else it's just not going to work.
Because then there's that internal conflict.
Interesting.
Yeah.
So it's almost like, like working together in a way.
Yeah. And I was telling you that interview that I saw and it was the young child that was forward facing.
And the interviewer said something, something DID and her eyes lit up.
She's like, we have DID.
We have DID.
Yeah.
So cute.
So yeah, it's just, it's definitely an interesting one.
I don't think that we've had, well, we did talk about a case recently where I thought that the killer might have had it.
The Oakland County.
Child killer?
Yeah.
That would, it made a lot of sense.
I think so.
I think it was the baby killer.
Yeah.
Did you hear that episode?
Yes.
I, it was the last one to break down.
Okay.
Yeah.
It was recent.
Okay.
Not the last one, the one before that, I think.
Yeah.
I've listened to them all.
I just, I'm trying to like remember the specifics of it and stuff.
It was the one where the, you know, they, it's the killers that were never caught but have profiles.
That's right.
Okay.
Yeah.
But it would make so much sense.
I think it would.
Because this guy is like, you can't, he can't kill me but I can't leave and I've been with him but I haven't been there when he's doing these bad things.
Right.
And yeah, it's just like very aligned with what you do.
And then the process of cleaning like the bodies and stuff like that before they were left.
Yeah.
And that you were saying that, you know, there might be one identity that is the perpetrator of the crime, but then another identity that picks up after it.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Deals with the guilt of it all and stuff.
That's awful.
I just want to like tell everyone that has it, like it's fine.
Like it's not bad.
You're going to be okay.
But it needs to be something that everyone's aware of before you can get treatment moving forward.
I follow that.
That's why it's so hard.
I follow a TikToker that has DID.
Oh really?
Yeah.
And the way that they, it mostly what's really interesting is the whole kind of channel is about body dysmorphia.
And about how, you know, they struggle with their different identities and how they feel so out of place when they have a certain identity that's presenting.
And how they don't like feel like themselves, like when they look in the mirror.
And so it's kind of about like they put on different like wigs or they do like facial like temporary tattoos like on their face.
Because one of their identities is, that's one of their identities.
So, you know, it's really interesting to watch.
Yeah.
And so I just didn't think about that until I saw that TikToker because it was, you know, just about your identities and how you can get body dysmorphia from that.
Yeah.
Or, you know, not feel like yourself.
I didn't even think about that.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, if one identity decides that they want to be transgender or something, you know, it can really affect someone else's identity.
When they come forward and they are comfortable with this.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, yeah.
Yeah, that's interesting to some of the linky for that.
I feel like I was going to say something else and now I kind of just went blank.
It's been a morning already.
Yeah.
Are you excited to go back to bed?
I think I am going to go back to bed after this actually.
And, you know, the show must go on.
So I was like, you know what, let me just get out of it.
Let me just do this.
At least you don't have to drive like two hours home before you go to bed.
Yeah, that's true.
I'm running on like an hour of sleep and it starts to go home.
That would be safe getting home.
I will.
Yeah, definitely.
I'm not someone who can like fall asleep while driving, so.
I said that once.
So you do.
I said that once.
Me and Louie were going up to Denton to go see a friend and we were hanging out until like probably midnight, one, two somewhere in there.
And we were like, let's drive to Denton.
Let's do it.
We stayed up all night.
We drove to Denton.
We stayed there for like three or four hours and then we drove back.
Oh, hell no.
Yeah, I didn't realize how far Denton was.
And so I was driving.
I was driving his mom's car.
And I was on the highway and I just rested my eyes for like a hot second.
I'm not even kidding.
In the fast lane.
Oh my gosh.
Sorry, Lisa.
I actually drove down to Port A one time with friends of mine, but we didn't have anywhere to stay.
We only had one day off and so we all got up at like 6am.
Three of them like took Adderall.
I've never taken Adderall.
So I was like, I'm not doing that shit.
I'm just going to be awake.
I'll just get a Red Bull or something.
So I drove us down there.
Excuse me.
We drank like all morning, like all day.
And by like four o'clock, I was like, okay, I'm going to stop drinking because I want to drive us all home.
Well, you know, when you drink all day and then you come down from it, you get really tired.
So I'm driving everyone home and we're like halfway home.
And it's about two and a half, a two and a half hour drive for those of y'all that don't know where Port Aran's is.
And oh yeah, by the way, it's like five or six hours away.
Yeah.
We just make the assumption that everyone lives like right around us over here.
And then we have people from Norway.
But yeah, so I was on my way home and I was like, I like, I tried to fight it as hard as I could and I almost fell.
And I had a full car.
I had four people in the car with me and Zach was with me when my best friends and I pulled over.
I was like, Zach, you are going to have to drive.
Like I am falling asleep.
We pull over and then my paranoid ass can't fall asleep because I'm not driving and I'm like, I'm the control freak.
And I literally stayed awake the rest of the drive.
I was like, oh my God, this is so annoying.
Don't take a day trip to somewhere that's farther than like an hour away.
Me and y'all's cousin did a corpus to Dallas and Beck.
Oh, that's like seven hours.
Yeah, it was not fun.
You're driving from here to love it.
One time you were me and my friend Jeff, we were driving back from Dutton Ones.
I think I went up with Louis and then I came back with Jeff and we chugged like two five hour energies.
Oh my God.
And we swung a bunch of lead.
So you had 10 hours of lead.
And we were just hyper stoned focused.
Like it was crazy.
I felt like I was, you know, we were going warp speed.
I did.
I was still on.
And we were back in one day with Cameron's ex-boyfriend, one of her ex-boyfriends and we were picking up like a washer and dryer from his like aunt or his grandma or something.
And so we got up really early.
We drove up there and the drive up there was fine.
The drive back was miserable because it's fucking five hours from here.
And we literally drove like probably a total of 11 hours like all day.
It was awful.
We did it.
Not doing it again.
Yeah, definitely not doing it again.
I fucking broke up like a month later and like are you kidding me?
Like I just drove to the top of the list.
The same day.
I feel like it's so much more rewarding when you're taking a road trip outside of Texas, but it's just lame when you're just driving to from Dallas.
For those of you that are not familiar with Texas and or America's world.
The entire world is familiar with Texas.
Well, yeah, but like not like that.
Make it known.
That's true.
Or I'm because we're better.
I was joking obviously.
I mean, I actually think we're better, but like I'm not going to say.
But like we're like in the almost like dead center of the state.
Yeah, where we are.
So the like the quickest the quickest time you can get out of Texas is about, I think it's like six hours and you can either go east west or south.
Yeah, if they try to go north, it's like at least seven or eight hours.
Yeah, Charles, Louisiana.
I want to say six hours.
Yeah.
You can go to Mexico or actually El Paso is eight hours away.
Yeah.
It's you can't get like out of Texas very easily.
No.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
It's like, oh, it's so lame when you're just like, oh, we're going to go to Denton.
It's like five, six hours and still a fucking trip.
When me and my ex were dating, he was living in Maryland and he was like, gotta get up early in the morning.
I had to drive my mom to Pennsylvania and I was like, like, damn, that's a shit.
And I was like, oh, so I'm not going to talk to you like all day.
He's like, it takes like an hour to get to Pennsylvania.
Like if you drove from Maryland to South Carolina, you can be in like South Carolina.
Yeah.
He's like, no, it's just like, it's like a 30 or 40 minute drive.
Like two and a half hours.
It's weird to me.
Like that is such a bizarre concept.
I can't wrap my head around it.
I know like three other states in the process of like two hours.
We went to New York and you were like, how long is it going to take?
You know, yeah, we're going to go to Jersey in one day.
It's like a whole day trip.
Like going to Jersey.
It was like 30 minutes.
15 minute train ride.
Okay.
Shit.
All the states are as big as Texas.
No, yeah.
I mean, like.
The world is just America.
And of all of the shit that we possibly could have gotten to in New York, just New York,
like, and we thought people were going to be so fucking rude.
It was the fucking bitch in the fucking train station in Jersey that you almost got into
a fight with.
God, I had to pee so bad.
No, you had to blow your nose.
Oh, that's what it was.
I was having really bad allergies.
You're right.
And I needed, oh yeah, my nose was like dripping.
I remember.
That's what it was.
Like I had tilted back.
And so I went to the, we stopped at the train station in Summit and I walked up to the fucking
bathroom and I knocked and I didn't hear anything.
But then I tried to jiggle the door handle and it was locked.
I was like, oh, someone must be in there.
And then she comes out like two whole minutes later.
And she's like, this shit comes out.
Why you keep knocking?
Like she screamed at me and I was like, I only knocked once.
She was clearly, I think in my mind, I think she was doing drugs in there and she felt
asleep because she was, yeah.
When she came out, it was one of those where she was like looking down at the ground and
like doing this like finger pointing like to the ground.
And she's like, yo, like what are you kind of keep knocking on the door?
She was yelling at the ground.
Why are these ants knocking?
I was like, sorry.
I didn't even think I said anything to her.
I just walked past her because I had no idea.
You did.
You were just like whatever.
Well, at that point we'd already been in New York and you know, don't say anything if
you don't have to to anybody in New York.
Well, no.
And then we walked outside.
Like I blowed my nose.
We walked out.
We were going to walk from the train station to this like little bar down the street.
It was like two blocks away.
She was fucking following us.
She didn't follow us.
She did.
She followed us for like a block and then a cop came by and she turned around.
That was my memory of it.
I was going to have it all followed.
What an exaggeration.
No, we were, I asked Stymax, I was like, did she go outside?
And he was like, yeah, she went outside.
She, they can't leave that little area.
She followed us.
No, she didn't.
She tried to.
And the cop car was already sitting outside.
See, this is why eyewitness testimonies are not reliable because everyone remembers
things differently.
Some of it was a fucking ghost town, man.
There was like nobody anywhere.
Yeah, there was nobody.
It was like nobody was walking.
I think maybe a car or two.
Yeah.
Everything looked like it was shut down.
Yeah.
It was really pretty.
It was so quiet and like snowy and it was really, it was really nice.
When we went into that little, what was that, that Mexican restaurant?
It had a sign that was like to Cote or something.
And we were like, oh my God, they have like a Mexican food restaurant here.
We went, we went in and I was like, oh, this isn't a Mexican restaurant.
You don't remember that?
No, it was probably like, and it was like, oh, you guys have margaritas and stuff.
No, it was, it was a theme, a Mexican themed restaurant is what I will say.
It wasn't even real Mexican food.
And I was like, oh, do you guys have, you asked for some, somebody asked for something.
I was like, oh, you have to Cote?
Oh, do you have Corona?
No.
They only thing they had was like soul or something.
And I was like, what the fuck?
And it was looking at the menu and I was like, this isn't Mexican food.
Like, it's weird.
I remember the first time I realized, yeah, the first time I realized that like other places don't have like Mexican food like we do was like, I went to Denver.
When I was like fucking 18 and we went to breakfast.
It was actually the same day that they legalized gay marriage.
I remember because I saw on the TV and four months pregnant.
Oh, were you?
You remember that day?
It was a good day.
Anyway, so I asked for, I had gotten like eggs or whatever and I asked for hot sauce.
I was like, do you guys have like hot sauce or salsa?
They gave it to basketball and I was like fucking so disappointed.
Okay.
But yeah, that's a, yeah, we went to Miran, Ohio for Tricia's wedding.
Her ex-husband, now ex-husband was like, oh, we got to go to this place like the best Mexican food restaurant in Ohio.
And like the bar is, it's an Aussie restaurant.
And it wasn't.
It tasted like, like to pull the essentially.
Oh, I mean, that's right.
Well, my computer's going to die.
Okay.
And I don't have the charger.
Plus y'all both need to get back to sleep anyways.
That's a really good bet.
Thanks for coming by and hanging out.
Thanks for coming all this way.
Waiting for us five hours.
It's worth it.
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Well, thanks for hanging out with us, Ty.
And when does the next episode come out?
That's a good question.
Brady, when does the next episode come out?
We have one recorded.
Brady just needs to put it out.
Yeah, I saw you all recording this.
There you go.
We will see you guys on Thursday or I don't even know when this is going to drop.
But we'll see you guys next time when we have another case.
Love you.
Bye.