1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,520 Are you a true crime advocate? Are you passionate about uncovering the truth and bringing justice 2 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:11,240 to victims? Do you love the paranormal and spooky tales? If you answered yes to any of 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,560 these questions, then you won't want to miss the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:21,440 in Austin, Texas, this August from the 25th to the 27th. This festival features panel 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:26,760 discussions, workshops, and live podcasts focusing on ethics and advocacy in the true 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:33,760 crime sphere. Get your tickets now at TrueCrimePodcastFestival.com and join us in Austin for an unforgettable 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:01:01,560 experience. 8 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,080 Welcome back to another episode of I was gonna fucking say Lady You're Scaring Us 9 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,320 because I'm sorry, I'm thinking of their name. We don't host that podcast. Welcome 10 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:14,520 back to another episode of Diagnostica Killer. I guess featuring Lady You're Scared Nuts 11 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:19,120 kind of because we're doing the collab today. Love it. This is the mental breakdown and 12 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,800 my name is Kenna. I'm Koelle. And we're super fucking excited for all of this. I cannot 13 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,920 wait. I've been thinking about this like all day. I know I'm excited. I'm excited to 14 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:32,280 listen to them too. Of course. No, I'm super excited. There's also a part of me that like 15 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,440 as soon as it releases, like I want to stay up until midnight, like the day that it releases 16 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,520 so that I can like listen to it immediately when it comes out. But I love that. I'll get 17 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,520 some sleep. I love that because I usually do that. I'm usually up. So I'm like, oh, 18 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:49,440 a new episode dropping. Yeah. When we do our episodes. Yeah. We listen to ourselves. I 19 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,760 don't know if you saw my post on Instagram the other day that I was out with Trish and 20 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,200 I was like, would it be selfish of me to listen to the episode? She's like, it's either gonna 21 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,800 be you talking or you talking. So I don't really care. Either way, you're gonna be talking 22 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:07,320 like if we listen to it or not. Speaking of friends and homies at the bar, we have Stimax 23 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:13,240 that has become a $20 patron pledge and he is in the diagnoses tier. So shout out to 24 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:18,920 Stimaximus. Thank you for your contribution to the Patreon. And I hope that you're very 25 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:23,720 excited for the bonus episode that's coming out on the 29th. The pressure. The pressure. 26 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:29,600 But yeah. So we have that still in the works guys. We're gonna have a bonus episode for 27 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,600 those of you that this is your first time hearing it for our second and third tier patrons. 28 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,200 That is going to be one extra bonus episode a month. And then of course, every other episode 29 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:44,280 will be early and ad free for all tiers of the Patreon. Patreon. Yeah, Patreon. I feel 30 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,160 like that word just doesn't make sense to me. So yeah. Patreon. I like when you call them 31 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,680 patrons. That's what they're called, right? Patrons. Oh, they're patrons. Yeah. But you 32 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,440 say, you say patrons all the time anyways. That's just part of your vocabulary. Like 33 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,600 when you say like your, your patronage, you will see that. Or if like English person. 34 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,480 I'm a patron at the bar. I thought that was pronounced. No, well, it can be if you're 35 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:13,360 British. I'm turning British. I like to write my realized with an S-E, which is like the 36 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:19,400 way that you would write it in English. That's how I write it. Isn't it? Z-E. Realize. Yeah. 37 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,720 When I was taking my notes for Catherine Knight, I found myself like putting an extra you and 38 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:28,520 shit. Like, you know the way they stuff. Like, hallour. Yeah. Before we get started, just 39 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,760 want to remind you guys about our social media. We are at diagnosing a killer, any platform 40 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,800 except for Twitter, which is at Killer Diagnosis. Definitely keep sending us some DMs and some 41 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,720 emails. We really like to hear from you guys. Don't forget to check out diagnosingkiller.com. 42 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,920 And we have all of our links on there, including our link tree, our Instagram, our Twitter, 43 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,840 our email, all that good stuff. All the good stuff. And we just dropped new merch. And I'm 44 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,720 really excited. The eyeballs with the smile is my fucking favorite thing right now. It's 45 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,160 so cool. I'm obsessed with it. Me too. I made a design for the merch and it's literally 46 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,640 a pair of eyeballs and it says diagnosingkiller.com in the form of a mouth. So it looks like a 47 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:10,200 creepy smiley face. Put it on a pillow and buy it because I'm going to. It looks really 48 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:15,200 cool on a pillow. Yeah, it does. And lastly, before we get started, I just want to publicly 49 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,800 announce and share a huge congratulations to my friends, John and Amy Cross that got 50 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,920 married this weekend. And I was super, super excited to see them. Super glad to have been 51 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,680 a part of that amazing ceremony. Me and Casey had the privilege of being able to attend 52 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,800 and I got to see a couple people from high school, which was really cool. And they were 53 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,200 all asking you about my podcast. So how long have you all been listening? Thank you for 54 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,960 shouting out my podcast. And some people have heard about it now and they didn't know about 55 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,440 it before. So I was able to kind of talk about that as well. 56 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,640 That's fine. That's exciting. But yeah, congrats to the Crosses and we're going to get into 57 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,120 this episode. Yay. So like we said, we are doing this collab episode with Lady You're 58 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,800 Scaring Us, that is Hillary, Taylor and Morgan. Hillary and Taylor are like both super true 59 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,120 crime junkies and Morgan is like past. Like I don't care about any of that. The first 60 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,560 episode that they did was John Bane Ramsey because Morgan didn't even know who she was. 61 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:09,200 So if that gives you any idea about the podcast, but they're, I mean, they're all very intelligent. 62 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,400 Like you were saying last episode, they're all very witty and I think it's mad. 63 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,840 Yeah, exactly. Taylor, it was funny because you were listening to them the other day and 64 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:21,520 I came in the kitchen and I thought it was our podcast because I think that Taylor sounds 65 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,000 like me. Yeah, y'all do y'all something very similar. 66 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,280 Yeah. And then Hillary was texting me the other day and she's like, Oh my God, I had 67 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:30,160 Taylor listening to all those episodes and she said that you sound like her. And I was 68 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:35,360 like, no, she sounds like me. I'm older. But yeah, so I don't even know if I'm older. 69 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,200 Actually, I'm not sure how old Taylor is. I think she's about my age. 70 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,280 Yeah. But yeah, so go ahead and give them a listen. And then I don't know if you're 71 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:46,360 listening to this episode before or after them. So if you are from their podcast and 72 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,000 you're listening to us, hello and thank you for being here. 73 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:55,280 Welcome. So just as a recap, Lady You're Scared in Us is doing an episode on the Trump family. 74 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:59,560 Some sort of shared psychosis was going on with them and they had asked us to do a mental 75 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,680 breakdown to explain that shared psychosis. So we're going to get right into that. So 76 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,840 the phenomena or... 77 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:16,800 Well, and I just went through like 15 minutes. I'm trying to figure out if phenomenon or 78 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:22,120 phenomena is the singular term. So I'm just going to pretend like I know it and I'm just 79 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:27,440 going to say it under my breath. This phenomenon or syndrome that we're going to be talking 80 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:34,560 about. Yes. It's called Folly Adoo. Folly Adoo. Folly Adoo. Folly Adoo. Folly Adoo. 81 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:40,120 It's French. And any of our French listeners, I sincerely apologize for the next 30 minutes 82 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:45,960 of me mispronouncing a bunch of words. Folly Adoo is a collection of rare psychiatric 83 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:51,320 syndromes in which symptoms of a delusional belief and sometimes hallucinations are transmitted 84 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:56,480 from one person to another. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, it's very interesting, which is why 85 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:01,760 I'm super excited to hear this case. So this is additionally referred to as quote Folly 86 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:08,880 of two or quote madness shared by two in English. Other nicknames for this disorder include 87 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:15,560 delusional disorder or shared psychotic disorder. So those are the DSM-5 definitions or names. 88 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:21,760 The same syndrome that is shared by more than two people may be called Folly Atois or Quattra, 89 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:27,480 which is three or four, of course. Further, it can be referred to as Folly in family, 90 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:34,360 which translates to family madness or even Folly A-plusures or madness of several. So 91 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,800 kind of like plural. Okay. Again, butchering these fucking French words. I'm sorry. I 92 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,480 love you guys. I've never been part of a finale at all. 93 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:50,160 Butch. This disorder was first conceptualized in the 19th century. It was actually described 94 00:07:50,160 --> 00:08:00,160 as a Folly communique in 1860 by Jules Viallegre. I don't know how to say his name. I'm sorry. 95 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,320 You're doing great. You're doing great. This is a French neurologist and psychiatrist. 96 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,200 He studied medicine at the University of Perry, and while he was a student, he worked as an 97 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:12,240 intern at the Sharenton Mental Institution. He was actually the first physician to discover 98 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:17,600 that the cerebral cortex was divided into six layers of alternate gray and white matter. 99 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:23,360 Interesting. In the field of psychiatry, Viallegre did research on the involuntary nature of hallucinations 100 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:28,120 and the dynamics of the stage between sleep and wakefulness, which fucking this morning, 101 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:33,280 I just, I had to wait too much to drink at the wedding. And so this morning, I literally 102 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,360 couldn't sleep for like five hours from like seven to noon. And I was in that like middle 103 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,200 sleep where I thought I was like getting up and getting ready and like getting my bags 104 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,840 packed and stuff. And I was like so thirsty. I had a dream that I drank like two whole 105 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,560 bottles of water that I found on the floor as I woke up to no water. It was so sad. 106 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:52,200 That happened to me the other day. His mom and dad took a flight to California the other 107 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:58,120 day. And I, same thing, was I didn't sleep well. And I was right in between that it was 108 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:04,200 like between seven and nine because I knew I had to wake up at nine. And I remember it 109 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,920 was a dreamlike state, but I was in my bed and I could hear mom outside my window going, 110 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:15,040 oh, she's going to be so pissed. There's the, the rogue has a flat tire now too. And my 111 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,440 car had had a flat tire the day before. And then I was like, oh my God, they're going 112 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:26,120 to abandon me here with no working vehicle. And then I had gotten up and I was helping 113 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,520 them with the car and everything. And then when I woke up, I hate that I was essentially 114 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,560 repeating the exact same thing. It was so strange. So mad. And like, I hate that I don't 115 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:38,120 get a deep sleep when that happens because my, I can feel my eyes like fluttering and 116 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:43,440 stuff, but I can't wake up. Yeah. So yeah, he studied that stage between sleep and mindfulness. 117 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:49,160 In 1854, Bollier provided a description of a psychiatric disorder involving both depressive 118 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:55,320 and manic episodes in the same individual. This was before the coined term bipolar disorder. 119 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,640 So he kind of is studying bipolar disorder without knowing what he was studying. Yeah. 120 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:05,880 He did refer to this as a foley and doublet form or dual form insanity. Unbeknownst to 121 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:11,200 him at the time, another psychiatrist by the name of Jean-Pierre Faleray had described almost 122 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,240 the exact same condition with slight differences in an article prior to this naming. He referred 123 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:22,680 to his discovered disorder as a foley, circulary or circular madness. Again, these words are 124 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:27,760 hard. Funny enough, Farley would be the same psychiatrist that would coin the term of foley 125 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:36,760 adieu in 1877 along with another doctor by the name of Charles Lasseguet. I did the hand. 126 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:45,200 It's an Italian thing. It's not even a French thing. I know. Because of this dual naming 127 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:51,640 situation, the disorder is also commonly referred to as Lasseguet-Faleray syndrome. Why do I 128 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:57,960 do the hand? I'm doing the hand when I say Lasseguet because we were talking about it 129 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:03,960 and it's spelled like L-A-S-G-A. You don't want to say Lasseguet. Lasseguet. It sounds 130 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:10,280 like something as far as- Lasseguet. So this disorder, foley adieu, is not in the current 131 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:15,520 fifth edition of the DSM due to the fact that the APA considers the criterion to be insufficient 132 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,520 or inadequate. Oh, okay. I was wondering if it was going to be one of those cultural 133 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,840 anomaly ones, like in the back with the other disorders? Oh, I see. No, because I don't 134 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,880 think it was ever like- I mean, it might be. I don't want to say no because I didn't look. 135 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:37,440 Like Kung Fu Yixi-sa. Kung Fu-jizya. Yeah, it's Kung Fu Yixi-sa. But it is like a subcategory 136 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,960 of different disorders. I'll explain that in a second. Specifically, the DSM-5 does 137 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,280 not consider foley adieu to be a separate disorder and therefore it should be diagnosed 138 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,800 as delusional disorder or in the quote, other specified schizophrenia spectrum and other 139 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:57,520 psychotic disorder categories. So one of the two, depending on their symptoms. Although 140 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,880 it's not a specified disorder, there are some signs and symptoms that are paired with 141 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,520 the syndrome. It is most commonly diagnosed when the two or more individuals of concern 142 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:10,160 live in close proximity, may be socially or physically isolated and have little interaction 143 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:15,240 with other people. The DSM-5 states that a person cannot be diagnosed delusional if the 144 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:20,000 belief in question is one quote, ordinarily accepted by other members of this person's 145 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:26,240 culture or subculture. So that makes sense. Yeah, because then they could literally classify 146 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,800 you as delusional for believing in God, which a lot of people do. So, you know, it's not- 147 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:35,960 it's one of those things. You all are all crazy. It's not very clear at what point 148 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:41,200 a belief is considered to be delusional due to all of the varying factors of beliefs. 149 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,080 When a large number of people may come to believe obviously false things based purely 150 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:50,080 on a rumor, these beliefs are not considered to be delusional and are instead labeled as 151 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:57,120 mass hysteria. Interesting, right? My nail just came off. I like ripped my nail while 152 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:02,120 I was talking off my finger. My fake nail, not my real nail. I'm not like bleeding out. 153 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:07,080 I'm just taking your face off. As with most psychological disorders, the symptoms can vary 154 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:12,440 in seriousness and specifics, but usually the quote non-dominant person's symptoms 155 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:17,200 mimic the quote inducer. In this case, the inducer is being the person who presented 156 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:22,160 symptoms first. Okay. And then the non-dominant person is the one that would have the symptoms 157 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:27,480 passed along to them. It's like independent, dependent variables, right? Exactly. Prior 158 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,520 to interventions, the inducer usually does not know that they are affecting anybody or 159 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,360 causing harm, but instead they believe that they are helping the person to become aware 160 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:44,280 of vital or notable information. You already know that craft beers have been exploding 161 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,560 in popularity over the past decade, but what you might not know is that there are thousands 162 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:53,360 of awesome craft beers being produced by these new micro breweries regularly. 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This 170 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:36,200 is where the dominant person or the inducer initially forms a delusional belief during 171 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:41,000 a psychotic episode and passes it on to another person or the acceptor with the assumption 172 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,080 that the secondary person might not have become aware if left to their own devices. 173 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,200 So they believe that they're educating this person? 174 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:52,520 Yes, exactly. If the persons are admitted to psychiatric care separately, the delusions 175 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,400 in the first person will most likely resolve without the need for medication. So that's 176 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:02,720 the first classification. The secondary classification is called Fale Simultane, in which two people 177 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:07,600 considered to independently experience psychosis influence the content of others delusions so 178 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,600 they become similar. 179 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,520 Like dough and tea? 180 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,520 Yes, so they're both experiencing their own delusions and they're influencing each other. 181 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,200 It's not what one caused the other's delusions. 182 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,440 Oh, I see. 183 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,980 When it comes to Fale Adu, there are multiple types of delusions that one can experience 184 00:15:23,980 --> 00:15:28,880 and pass on to another. Delusions are defined as fixed beliefs that do not change even when 185 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:34,760 a person is presented with conflicting evidence. These types of delusions include Bizarre, 186 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,480 which include those that are clearly implausible and not understood by peers within the same 187 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:45,760 culture, even those with psychological disorders. One person's psychological delusion and another 188 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,960 person- two different people could have them and they would still think the others is Bizarre. 189 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:50,960 Oh, okay. 190 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:51,960 Or like not believable. 191 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,480 Yeah, I see that. 192 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,680 For example, if someone thought their brain had been removed and taken for science experiments, 193 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,240 it would be impossible for them to be alive, but they would still believe the delusion, 194 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:02,880 so Bizarre. 195 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,960 The second type of delusion is non-Bizarre. These are common among those with personality 196 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,640 disorders and are usually understood by peers in the same culture. For example, if someone 197 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:17,240 in the FBI was following you in an unmarked car, that could happen, not very likely, but 198 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,120 it's believable. 199 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:24,640 The two other are mood congruent and mood neutral. So mood congruent delusions correspond 200 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:29,360 to a person's emotions during a time of mania or depression. For example, thinking- someone 201 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,160 thinking that they got like a bigger paycheck than they actually received. Delusion. 202 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:34,160 Mood- 203 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,160 Well, it's- 204 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,800 You're delusional. You only worked two days this week. 205 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:39,800 Exactly. 206 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:44,560 Mood neutral delusions are unaffected by one's mood and can be Bizarre or non-Bizarre. So 207 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,640 this would be like if someone thought their body got switched with someone else's and 208 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,240 their belief would be consistent regardless of the emotion that they're feeling at the 209 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,320 time. 210 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,600 Shared delusional disorder can negatively affect the psychological and social well-being 211 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,440 of a person. This disorder can cause a lot of unresolved stress, leading to an increased 212 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:06,920 risk of cardiovascular disease, obesity, diabetes, and others, and these actually increase with 213 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:13,400 the severity of the disease. So if this disorder goes left untreated, it can be really detrimental. 214 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,640 Among the physical complications that can arise with this disorder, people with shared 215 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,000 delusional disorder can experience social isolation as well, which is, of course, detrimental 216 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,920 to one's psychological health. This is especially dangerous when people with this disorder, 217 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,200 as it can cause the delusions to remain bad or get worse with time, because no one's 218 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,520 there to tell them that their beliefs are incorrect. 219 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:34,720 Yeah. 220 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,880 People with delusional disorder have a significantly high risk of also developing comorbidities 221 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,920 such as anxiety and depression. This may be because of a genetic pattern that is shared 222 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,480 by remarkably 55% of all shared delusional disorder patients. 223 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:49,480 Wow. 224 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:50,480 That's a lot. 225 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:55,400 That's so interesting, right? So it seems like the genetic pattern is kind of the, I 226 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,040 don't want to say problem, but the precursor. 227 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,040 No, it's the precursor, yeah. 228 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,920 Exactly, yeah. The cause of shared delusional disorder is unknown, but the two main contributors 229 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:08,120 seem to be stress and social isolation. People who are socially isolated together tend to 230 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:12,360 become more dependent on those who they are with, leading to influence on others around 231 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:17,200 them. Additionally, people with shared delusional disorder do not necessarily have others around 232 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,240 them to remind them that their delusions are impossible or unlikely, causing the perfect 233 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,120 storm for relapse, unfortunately. 234 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:27,120 What is the, and you might have it in there later, but what is, what's the correlation 235 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:32,160 between like a parent and a child relationship? Like, because if you're just fed that, you 236 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,800 believe that, right? I mean, as a, as a child. 237 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:37,800 Unless you're named Kyle. 238 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:38,800 Unless you're named Kyle. 239 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:39,800 Hey, Kyle. 240 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,520 It's as if you're like a parent would tell a child, this guy is green, this guy is green, 241 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,880 this guy is green, especially when they're isolated together, right? 242 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,840 That's, well, that's not necessarily something that I found in the research. I didn't really 243 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:56,200 find a lot of parent influence on children. It's usually when like an adult is trying 244 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:57,200 to influence another adult. 245 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,040 Right. So I'm not sure because I really didn't come up with my research. 246 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,040 Right. 247 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,720 But that'd be interesting to look up. 248 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,600 So while there is no exact cause of this disorder, the contributing factors seem to be, again, 249 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:15,120 an isolation. Lastly, diagnosis of this syndrome is very hard to figure. Usually a person who 250 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:19,880 is experiencing symptoms does not seek out treatment with the fear of being judged or 251 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,640 not believed, or they don't even realize that they need treatment because they're isolated 252 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,640 from others that are not experiencing the disorder. 253 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,520 Right. Like a schizophrenia spectrum disorder. 254 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:34,400 Exactly. Shared delusional disorder is diagnosed using the DSM-5 delusional category. And according 255 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,200 to this, the patient must meet three criterion. 256 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,800 Number one, they must have a delusion that develops in the context of a close relationship 257 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,400 with an individual and an already established delusion. 258 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,880 Number two, the delusion must be very similar or even identical to the one already established, 259 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,280 the one that the primary case has. 260 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:57,040 And number three, the delusion cannot be better explained by any other psychological disorder, 261 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,000 mood disorder with psychological features, a direct result of psychological effect of 262 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,200 substance abuse or any general medical condition. 263 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,920 This was super interesting and you're going to be like, what? Because I was like, what? 264 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:14,120 Follyadu is most commonly found in women with slightly above average IQs who are isolated 265 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:19,760 from their family and who are in relationships with a dominant person that has delusions. 266 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,200 What does that sound like? Perhaps a cult? 267 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,200 Yeah. 268 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,200 All of the cults? 269 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,920 Charlie Manson followers, Doe's follower, Heaven's Gate. 270 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,760 Yeah, Doe and Tee. Yeah. 271 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,720 It's these women that have, exactly, they have an above average IQ, which means they are 272 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,080 very bright, of course. 273 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,960 But again, we talked about this in the episode that we did about Marshall Applegate. Is there 274 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:40,960 Applewhite? 275 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:41,960 Applewhite, yeah. 276 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:42,960 Applegate. 277 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,560 Well, I mean, Applegate. Is that these people are told that they're making the choices 278 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,560 for themselves and they feel like they have their control when they really don't. They're 279 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:55,200 being fed these delusions and then being told, but it's your choice. You can do this, you 280 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,680 can do that, or whatever. 281 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,480 And I'm not trying to speak for everybody that considers himself to be highly intelligent, 282 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:07,360 but there is a sense of egocentricism there. And so it's like, oh, I am in control, I am 283 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:11,440 in power, and I deserve these really great things. And it makes, and somebody's telling 284 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,520 me everything I want to hear. So that's interesting. 285 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:20,560 But also with the people that are experiencing delusional disorder or any kind of psychosis, 286 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,960 especially because if they are more intelligent on the IQ level, they're going to believe 287 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,480 what they think because they're very bright. 288 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,360 Why wouldn't people believe me? I am very smart. 289 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:32,760 Yeah, and I can speak well for myself and all this other stuff. 290 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,880 Exactly. And honestly, that's one of the most unpredictable things in my opinion because 291 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:43,960 it's very, like people like that don't think that they can be manipulated. So it's really 292 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,160 like a brainwashing kind of thing, especially when it comes to the cold. 293 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,600 Especially when you're isolated with that individual as well, or a group of like-minded 294 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,600 individuals. 295 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:57,080 Exactly. So the majority of secondary cases, this is people who have developed the shared 296 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,720 delusion, have also met the criteria for dependent personality disorder. 297 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,960 Ooh, I can see that. 298 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,320 Which makes sense. Yeah. 299 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,600 Because you're depending on this person, you don't want to leave, so you're going to 300 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,280 believe everything they say in order to save face and not argue. 301 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,960 Right. And then however many people left and then came back, you know, because they couldn't 302 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,240 find anything else like it. 303 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,240 Exactly. 304 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,840 You know, they're kind of dependent on the group. 305 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,600 Yeah, absolutely. 306 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,680 Additionally, 55% of secondary cases had a relative with a psychological disorder that 307 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:24,680 included delusions. 308 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:25,680 Hmm. 309 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:26,680 Interesting. 310 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:27,680 Very interesting. 311 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:33,960 I learned a lot when I was doing this research, and this is definitely, I knew somewhat about 312 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,520 Follyadu, but I didn't know this much. 313 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:41,120 And that's really makes a lot of sense, especially with the dependent personality disorder. 314 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:44,440 After a person has been diagnosed, they are usually separated from the inducer to see 315 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,400 if the delusion goes away or lessens over time. 316 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,320 If this does not stop the delusions, the person has been either referred to medication or 317 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,640 to therapy. 318 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,840 Drug drugs are among the medications that would be prescribed for someone diagnosed with 319 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,120 this disorder. 320 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:03,520 And for someone that is referred to for therapy, it would be personal or even family therapy 321 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,640 that would work to help lessen the symptoms. 322 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,360 And lastly, all I just want to say is that there's many cases of this syndrome happening. 323 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:12,360 They're listed online. 324 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:16,520 I didn't want to list them out here because I want it to be specific to the Trump family. 325 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:17,520 Yeah. 326 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:18,520 But you can look it up online. 327 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,960 There's a bunch of different situations about this happening. 328 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,240 The Trump family is one of the most infamous cases of it, and I didn't, again, go into 329 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,800 detail with this, with my research, because I want it to be a surprise. 330 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:34,440 But for the finale, go to Lady You're Scared Us and listen to their episode because then 331 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:41,120 you'll get the deep dive into exactly what happens when this does occur in a family setting. 332 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:44,120 And you were talking about the parent and child relationship. 333 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:46,400 That's exactly what's happening in the Trump family. 334 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,400 Yeah. 335 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,480 I'm excited to hear what they're going to tackle because that's definitely interesting. 336 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:56,040 I would just think that parent to parent, maybe, like you said, two people can come 337 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:03,080 together and have this psychosis or episode together and the delusion grows. 338 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:08,440 But I'm really interested to see what they tackle as far as the manipulation of the 339 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,440 kids potentially. 340 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,440 Yeah. 341 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,200 Again, I know nothing about it. 342 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,200 Trump family. 343 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,200 Yeah. 344 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,200 Trump, TRO. 345 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,200 Oh, and Trump family. 346 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,200 We're not talking about anybody. 347 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,920 We're not talking about no cheetos. 348 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:21,920 They're fucking... 349 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,920 It's probably happening there too, y'all. 350 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,920 Let's be honest. 351 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:24,920 Let's be real. 352 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,440 No, but anyway, yeah, that was my mental breakdown. 353 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,320 And I hope that it gave you guys a little bit more clarity if y'all are listening to 354 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:35,520 us after Lady You're Scared Us about what the disorder really means as far as prevalence 355 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,280 and sudden symptoms and all that good stuff. 356 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:44,040 And a lot of people don't really think that this is a true syndrome. 357 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,880 They just think it's kind of BS and they think that it doesn't really happen. 358 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,720 People just use it kind of like as an excuse. 359 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,720 Yeah. 360 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,200 But it does make sense with the delusional disorder because you wouldn't even know that 361 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:59,000 you were being manipulated if you had that disorder because it unfortunately skews your 362 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,240 mental health and your psyche. 363 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,640 I found the dependent personality disorder kind of comorbidity. 364 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,960 That's kind of interesting for sure. 365 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:06,960 It makes sense. 366 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:07,960 It really does. 367 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,000 Again, you don't want to... 368 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,440 You want to stay face with this person. 369 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,560 You don't want to rock the boat. 370 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,000 So you're just going to go along with what they say, even if what they say is bizarre. 371 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,000 Yeah, for sure. 372 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,320 But yeah, thank you guys for joining us for another mental breaky. 373 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,320 Yeah. 374 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,200 And go ahead and 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00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,280 And just lastly, I just want to say thank you to Hillary, Taylor and Morgan for doing 389 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,280 this collab with us. 390 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,960 You guys have been so awesome so far, especially on social media. 391 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:02,560 I've been seeing my, our logo like everywhere. 392 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,560 I know. 393 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,560 Yeah. 394 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,880 Thank you guys for continuing to boost the collab. 395 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,240 And I hope you guys had as much fun as we did doing this collab with you guys. 396 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,600 And we look forward to doing maybe something else in the future. 397 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,840 And look forward to an upcoming DAK live. 398 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,160 That's going to be happening pretty soon. 399 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,320 We're going to record that in a couple of days and I'm really excited. 400 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