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not very well traveled. So I mean, kind of, but mostly in the US. So I'm going to Sweden

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one day. I know. I'm so excited. When you do that, I don't know. I want to go to Australia.

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Like really bad. I kind of made it a point to maybe go this year, but it's already almost

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halfway through the year. But that was my New Year's resolution. So I'm twine floys.

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Next year is 2024 and it is the year of the dragon and it is going to be my fucking year.

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I've already made that decision. So next year is going to be my fucking year. Hell yeah.

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It's my fucking birthday. So hopefully by this time next year we'll be like mad fame.

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So well, I don't know about all that, but I definitely want to be able to travel next

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year. Yeah, that's really cool. 2024 is going to be my year and maybe potentially crime

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con 2024. Oh gosh. I know this year it's in London, which is a hell of a lot. But maybe

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next year we can make it work. We are going to get into this case and it's wild. This

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little lady speaking of Australia. This little lady's from down under. Yeah. I follow a content

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creator on YouTube. I don't know. I mean, he doesn't really create the content, but

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he reads transcriptions from chat logs from to catch a predator. Oh God. So like, yeah,

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it's fucking grotesque. Hey baby. Hey baby. It's really creepy, but he's Australian. He

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has this beautiful Australian accent and it's so easily digestible to listen to. And he

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does this thing where he does kind of like Jim can't swim stuff now, but he used to do

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the transcription. Yeah. And it's so funny the way he changes his voice because the predator

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will be like, Hey baby. Like with this little accent. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he doesn't even

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do the R. It's just yeah. Like, oh, I work construction. What do you do? You know, I

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got a school. Didn't you say he did that? I've never taken anyone's Vaginiti before.

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Yeah. Oh, wow. Oh, man. Yeah. Those fucking creepers are. I love Dave's lemonade. I wish

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he did content more often than he usually does stuff like once a month, but yeah. Him

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and dreading. I love dreading. I'm subscribed to his Patreon. I love it. It's like Kim and

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his brother, I think that do it, but dreading is also amazing. It's very like Jim can't

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swim and inspired type stuff, but I love the host of dreading. I love his voice too. It's

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really easy to listen to. I love when he reads people's letters and stuff and he'll just

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pause and just go, Jesus fucking Christ. Like if y'all are listening, hit us up. Hit us

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up. Hit us up. Yeah. Do what you do. But yeah, before we get started, just want to keep saying

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pepper it is pepper it in there. We are doing a collaboration on Monday with Lady or Scare

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and us. It's going to be super exciting. I am excited to hear Hillary, Taylor and Morgan's

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response to our episode. I know that they said they're looking forward to hearing it

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as well. And I'm really excited to hear the case. I purposefully like didn't get myself

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integrated into the case details as I want to hear it from them. So if you guys want

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to hear a case that goes hand in hand with the mental breakdown, we are going to be doing

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that on Monday with the podcast Lady or Scare and us. Yeah, from Florida. They are super

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intelligent women and they are charismatic and they are so fun to listen to. So definitely

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take a listen to on their podcast because they're just they're really awesome. Yeah,

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absolutely. And it's super fun to connect with other content creators, especially that

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have like similar interests to us. They work in the behavioral health field as well. Yeah.

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when it will drop, but probably pretty soon afterwards. Probably. Yeah, but you don't

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have anything else going on. So yeah, right. Not like sick or anything. I am excited. Yeah,

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just to share the closet with people. Yeah, it's going to be weird having someone from

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the outside come on in because the only other person that's been in the closet is mom. And

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then Clark was in a different location though. Yeah, but still like just this, I don't know.

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spill your guts. It's true. You just want to be vulnerable. It's real intimate. It's

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real intimate. All right, we're going to get into this episode here. Content warning.

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This episode contains depictions of sexual abuse, child abuse, animal cruelty, spousal

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Love you. Bye. Wow, that was a doozy of a content warning. There's a lot going on

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in this episode. Shit. I like, I kept finding myself like typing and then scrolling back

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body is handled after death is very, very raw and very graphic. Just to let everyone

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know that's going to be the most kind of grueling part of this. Okay. Yeah. Cause I know we

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definitely talked about having some of our more graphic content only for our tier two,

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tier three Patreon members. Yeah. So, okay, but I'm really interested. It's not like we

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haven't tackled some of these issues before. Oh yeah. No, for sure. Everything we've talked

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about in here has been talked about before in a sensitive manner. So we're going to do

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it again. Now we're going to be talking about Catherine Knight. Catherine Knight. Catherine

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Knight. Have you heard her name before? No, I don't think so. Okay, perfect. Okay.

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You're in for a fucking ride. Catherine May Knight was born on October 24th, 1955 in

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Tentorfield, New South Wales, Australia. She was one of eight children of Barbara Rohan

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who was married to a man by the name of Jack Rohan before Catherine was born. Okay. Barbara

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would have four children with Jack and at some point during their marriage, Jack would

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introduce Barbara to a friend and co-worker of his by the name of Ken Knight. Get it?

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Get it? After marrying and having her first four children with Jack, Barbara and Ken would

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start up a secret affair. Oh, it's scandalous. Of course, they were unable to keep this relationship

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a secret for long and they got a lot of backlash from their friends and their family about

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it. So because of this negative feedback, Barbara and Ken decided to up and move and

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ended up in a place called Mori, which is East Australia. And if I'm pronouncing any

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of these names wrong, our Australian listeners, please feel free to correct me. I'm not from

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there clearly. Upon moving, none of Barbara's four children would go with her. Her two oldest

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boys would stay with their father and the two younger boys were actually sent to live

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with relatives in Sydney. So I'm not sure why two of them left and two of them stayed.

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Not sure. Maybe they had a choice and the older boys wanted to stay with dad. Sure.

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And maybe the younger kiddos were so young that maybe she still had the option of going

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to visit them when they were young. Maybe, yeah. And I'm sure everyone can tell that

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my throat still scratches or just bear with me here. Hello. So the two would eventually

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move to Tentor field. Again, this is Barbara and Ken, where the two would also have- Are

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you telling me that their names are Barbie and Ken? What the fuck? Totally didn't even

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make that connection until right now. You didn't? I did and then I remembered. Yeah.

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Barbie and Ken, holy shit. So on top of the four children that Barbara would have with

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Jack, she would also have four children with Ken, giving her eight children. Yeah. Of these

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four children were Catherine and her twin sister, Joy, whom she was born an hour and

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a half after, which is wild. That's a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Because during that

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time, I mean, the amniotic sac is already broken. Yeah. So Catherine was after her?

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Yes. Wow. Yeah. So and I want to have- I don't know what was going on there. Yeah. That's

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a long time. It was the fifties. She was probably smoking while she was having him too. She's

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like, here, just give me a shot. She'll come right out. Right. The children, unfortunately,

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had a considerably rough childhood growing up. By all accounts, Ken was a raging alcoholic

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who would rape Barbara up to 10 times a day. A day? Yes. A day, which is awful. What the

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fuck? Yeah. Like awful. As your husband or- Well, yeah, it doesn't matter who it is.

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It's disgusting. Gross. This would happen continuously throughout Catherine's younger

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years and in 1959, when Catherine was just four years old, Jack Rohan actually would

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die and the two eldest boys who had been living with him would also move into the home with

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Barbara, Ken, and their four children. So six kids. Now there's six kiddos. Right.

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And all of them are being exposed to this abuse. That's so fucked up. The assaults

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from Ken would continue over the years, leaving Barbara to be extremely graphic in her discussions

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with her children when it came to sex, especially with Catherine. So because it was such an

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open abuse in their family, Barbara would just kind of talk about her sexual experiences

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because the kids had already seen it all, which is awful. Barbara would often tell her

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daughters intimate details of her sex life and how much she hated sex and men. So just,

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I mean, of course, they're getting a terrible, you know, example. Yeah. But still hammering

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in the fact that like men are men are all men are like this. Yeah. This became such a

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topic of discussion. In fact, that later when Catherine was old enough to engage with boys,

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she actually complained to her mother that one of her boyfriends at the time had like asked

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her to take part in a sex act that she was uncomfortable with. She opened up to her mom

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about it. Barbara's response to Catherine's concerns were to quote, put up with it and

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stop complaining. Yeah. Just let him abuse you. Let him take advantage of you sexually.

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Because I'll mannered that way. That's just you are just gonna have to get over that.

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You're gonna have to deal with it. Oh my God. Yeah. Catherine's boyfriend was not the only

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cause for concern for her growing up. However, unfortunately, Catherine would later admit

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to being sexually assaulted by multiple members of her immediate family growing up with the

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exception of her father Ken. So she would accuse her brothers of sexually assaulting her. Yeah.

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It is thought that her brothers would frequently engage in sexual abuse at Catherine's expense

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until she was around 11 years old. These are the two older boys that are her half siblings.

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Okay. Although there are doubts around the details. It is widely believed that this did

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occur and it's not far fetched to think that she's telling the truth, of course, especially

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since other family members that actually confirmed her claims. Well, and not only that, but her

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mom has been so vocal just about sex in general. Like, why would they think it's weird to sexually

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abuse even some of their family? Exactly. Not excusing it. Just yeah. Yeah, no, definitely.

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Catherine would later also tell sources that her parents would beat her other siblings with

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a dog leash and an electric cord. But this was never confirmed. Again, Catherine doesn't

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really seem like she it's not far fetched that this is true because of all the other

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things going on. Right. Now Catherine's great grandmother was an Indigenous Australian woman

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from the Moray area who had married into an Irish family. Barbara was known as being very

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proud of this fact. And she would identify herself as an Aboriginal, so a native Australian

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woman. This was actually kept a family secret because unfortunately there was considerable

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racism in the area at the time of her growing up and even like during Catherine's childhood.

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Barbara's descent was also a considerable source of tension for the children and the

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family since the children were mixed race as well. And this would become a big topic

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of stress in the household, like considerably enough to that they had to the point where

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they had to mention it, you know. Yeah. So all in all, this abuse and argumentative environment

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continued for many years in the household. And it kind of left Catherine feeling like

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her twin sister Joy and her uncle Oscar were the only two people that she was really close

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with. So she had a good relationship with her uncle Oscar. Oscar was a champion horseman

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and Catherine really looked up to him in terms of an adult male figure that didn't abuse

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her. Although her father didn't sexually abuse her in her claims, he was very abusive to

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the rest of her family. Right. He was still an abuser. Yeah, exactly. In 1969, Catherine

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was absolutely devastated to find out that her happy, outgoing and loving uncle Oscar

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had actually taken his own life and she was completely beside herself. Oh my God. The

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one person, the one adult figure in your life that like really has your back. Right. The

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same year that Oscar had passed, the family would move to Aberdeen. This is about five

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hours south from Moray, so southeast Australia. Okay. Catherine would attend high school at

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Muswell Brook where classmates would refer to her as a quote loner and a quote bully

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who stood over smaller children. So she tend to like pick on children that were smaller.

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the house. You know, there's like a pecking order. Yeah, you pick on someone that can't

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defend themselves. Right. She was also as well as this noted as being pleasant as a student

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at most times and she actually even earned several awards for good behavior. But when

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she did snap, she would fly into a quote murderous rage. This is like faculty saying

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maniacal sweat. We're glistening with a maniacal sweat. Catherine was especially interested

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in bullying the boys at her school. And at one point she assaulted at least one young

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boy with a weapon. Wow. This was very vague. There wasn't really anything that kind of

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came from this. Yeah. Again, the rest of the details weren't really laid out online. But

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there was another incident that took place when Catherine was once injured by a teacher

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who supposedly acted in self defense when targeted by Catherine. Okay. No charges were

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filed for either of these events and Catherine was allowed to remain enrolled in the school.

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So you think she would go to like an alternative school or something? Yeah, exactly. I don't

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know. I'm sure other countries have alternative schools. Do they even have alternative schools?

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Do they even have alternative schools? Yes, we know that you guys have alternative schools.

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If you don't, let us know because actually I'm not sure. Well, I don't know. Again, this

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was what, 60, 70? Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe you're right. No. Well, it's still an early

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70. I'm pretty sure they had alternative schools. Either way, this makes sense coming to this

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next point. Although she was getting awards when her behavior was good. She was not excelling

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academically. She was actually pretty close to being illiterate. She couldn't read, couldn't

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write, and she actually took it upon herself to drop out of school altogether when she

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was just 15. Aw. I know. It's a big bummer. Do you think that it's, do you think it was

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a learning disability of some kind or do you think that it was just not getting help at

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home or? I think it might have been like a mixture of both. Yeah. I think it was more

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so like neglect in the household. Like they probably didn't give a shit about if she had

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homework or if we know whatever. Like they probably didn't care. They have other shit

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going on with all the abuse, you know, that he wants to portray on the family. So knowing

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that she needed to find a job when she left school, Catherine was able to land a job that

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did not require being able to read or write. She actually gained employment as a cutter

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in a clothing factory. Oh, okay. She would work at this job for just over a year. And

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upon leaving this business, Catherine got what she referred to as her quote, dream job.

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Growing up Ophel at the local abattoir. What are those words? What are those words? I

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want to. What the fuck was that noise? It was so sharp. I'm so sorry if anyone's wearing

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headphones. Jesus Christ. I'm so sorry. So cutting up Ophel, I had to look up what both

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those words meant. Essentially she was working at a slaughterhouse, which is the abattoir.

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She was cutting the non usable pieces of meat from the animal and exposing like the

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cuts that they would sell. So she was just a butcher. It's not an awful. It's an Ophel.

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It might O F F A L. Ophel. Yeah. Whatever. Whatever it's called. That's what she was

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doing. She was a slaughterhouse. I didn't mean to shout. It was really loud. She was really

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excited to translate that to me. She was really excited. She's like, Oh my God, you

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don't know what I mean. I didn't either. I'm not like cool. So Catherine's father was actually

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also working at a slaughterhouse. Not sure if it was this one or not, but it's assumed

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that she got the idea that she wanted to work there at like a young age because he worked

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there. So that was her dream job, is what you said. Although yeah, I can't imagine why

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she would want to follow in his footsteps. But maybe it's like the only job that she

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knew about because her father did it. Maybe she already had maniacal sweat thoughts and

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that's a, she just wanted to get her hands a little dirty. Yeah, that's a good, good

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guess. Catherine would excel at this job and even quickly became promoted to boning,

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which is removing the bone, like deboning the meat pretty much. Yeah. Well boning.

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It's a bone. It's a pus. It's a pus. Due to her new position, Catherine was given

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her own set of butcher's knives, which she absolutely adored. So much so that she would

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actually hang them over her bed while she slept at night. What? Like what if they fall,

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girl? Like you're gonna get sliced. She was pooping. She said that she did this so that

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they quote, would always be handy if I needed them. Like what? Like you just need a set

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of butcher's knives. Okay. I guess like some people sleep with like a gun under their pillow,

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which is dumb. I mean, yeah, that's so dumb. Under your pillow? No. No, I put one in my

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nightstand, but Casey, all going to Casey's house and I'll have like a shotgun on the

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bed. I'm like, did you sleep with this next to you? It was like, oh yeah. Jeez. No. There's

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a safety on it. It's still, so. I don't know. Yeah. Sometimes I text in my sleep, so I don't

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know. Who knows? Two years into working at the slaughterhouse in 1973, 18 year old Catherine

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gained a coworker by the name of David Stanford Kellett. Catherine immediately took a liking

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to David because instead of being the shy timid boy that she had been used to being

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around in school, David was a heavy drinker and a fighter. Oh, okay. So in Catherine's

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eyes, he was the perfect bad boy that she was attracted to. Oh man. Yeah. Well, Catherine

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did not know, however, was that David was not just an alcoholic and a fighter by trade

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or to seem cool, but in reality, he had been through two very traumatic events that caused

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his drinking to go overboard in an attempt to escape reality. It's like really sad. David's

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previous job included working on the railroads in Coffs Harbor. While on the job, David's

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best friend had been killed in front of him in a shunting accident. What's a shunting?

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So I looked it up as well. This is an umbrella term for anything having to do with like attaching

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and detaching railway cars. Oh, so he essentially got like run over. Oh, that's awesome. The

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other incident that severely scarred David was a different time when he found himself

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in a tragic situation. A school bus had been struck by a train and it had actually killed

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six children. So David and his crew were working to get the injured but still alive occupants

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out of the bus. But knowing that six children had died during the incident really stuck

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with David and it caused him to drink a lot. That reminds me of that episode we did on

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the things that are no longer diagnosable. It was the male hysteria that was also considered

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to be called it train. What did they call it? They called it railway PTSD or something.

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And it was just because the masses hadn't really seen traumatic accidents like that.

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I mean this is before automobile accidents. So it was in the event that you would see

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this a railway accident. Somebody getting hit by a train or trains derailing or whatever.

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It's awful. People getting run over or hit and they diagnosed you with railway syndrome

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or whatever. Which we know now as PTSD. But that's really interesting that he had two

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experiences like that. Yeah definitely. The two situations of course the stress just became

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too much. And he was actually let go of the job due to poor behavior and poor performance

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because he was just so propped up about it. Fortunately nowadays we're seeing a lot more

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jobs that are offering mental health services or mental health time off and stuff like that.

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But of course that wasn't the case back then especially in jobs like this. They needed

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these guys all the time. Definitely can wear down your mental health. So after losing the

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job at the railroad this is when David would actually get the job at the Aberdeen Abattoir

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and became close friends with Catherine's older brother. Catherine and David quickly

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became friends as well. And Catherine would prove herself loyal to David by frequently

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stepping into fights of his. Defending him by punching whoever was messing with him

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at the time. Oh my god literally just witness something

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like that the other night at the bar where this chick was like in between these two dudes

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that are trying to fight. I'm just shaking my head because like that's low key like me

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as fuck. Like I'll be the one that steps in front of a guy and I'm like you're not gonna

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fucking hit me until I get like fucking knocked out. It hasn't happened yet but Jesus Christ.

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No I feel like if two dudes are starting some shit the seriously the worst thing you can

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do is put yourself in the middle of it. Yeah I didn't learn my lesson just yet but I think

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I won't do that anymore. Although I'm probably not like gonna be around like two dudes fighting

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because we're all adults now. Yeah well you know. You know. I always feel like if you're

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old enough and like big enough to feel like you can just pop off at the mouth at some

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fucking dude then maybe you do deserve to get your ass kicked. I'm not gonna defend you.

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That's true. So at first David was surprised and maybe even impressed by Catherine's willingness

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to stand up for him but when it became known around town that Catherine would physically

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fight anyone that looked at her wrong David began to dislike the idea of her. He was like

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you know what maybe she's like a drama star. My man's not looking at you. I mean he's kind

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of looking at you. He's looking at you. He's looking at you. Yeah exactly. Like she was

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trying to start shit? Well not necessarily but like if anyone like trying to talk to

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David or like came up to him she would like buck it like immediately just like like balls

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to the wall immediately instead of like compromise. Would she like just overprotective of him?

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I think so. Territorial rather not overprotective. Yeah I think so. Territorial. So unfortunately

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for David Catherine had now an extreme liking for him that only grew and she would quickly

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become domineering in their relationship. Less than a year later in 1974 Catherine would

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convince or force David to marry her to which he agreed. What? Or was forced. I don't know

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if he agreed or not. She's like you want to get married and he's like no it's okay.

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She's like yeah that's fine. Oh yeah yeah yeah we're getting married so yeah kind of

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like that. So the two would quickly make wedding plans or maybe just Catherine and would arrive

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to the ceremony together via motorcycle. David being noticeably heavily intoxicated on the

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back of it. So she was driving the motorcycle? And he was wasted. She's like I'm driving

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you know she probably like fed him alcohol. I was like I'm gonna get him drunk so like

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he just marries me. Go to the wedding. I was gonna ask if he was riding bitch but yeah

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okay that makes sense. He's like that little skinny dude always like yes dear. Yeah he's

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like in the sidecar. Yeah that's asleep. Fast out with sunglasses on. He's fine. He's

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fine. She's like does his mouth like I do. I bear my mouth. I was thinking. So almost

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as soon as they arrived at the ceremony Barbara would pull David aside and offer some advice

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about her Catherine. What David related about this conversation is as follows. Quote. The

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old girl said to me to watch out. You better watch this one or she'll fucking kill you.

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Stir her up the wrong way or do the wrong thing and you're fucked. Don't ever think

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of playing up on her. She'll fucking kill you. David continued. Quote. And that was

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her mother talking. She's told me she's got something loose. She's got a loose screw

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somewhere. And quote. Her own fucking mother. Her mother's like you are not fucked up or

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dead but also like you can't leave or you're dead. What's the answer? It's not funny.

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You pack a bag and you move to Costa Rica. Yeah. Jesus. Even with Barbara's warning about

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her daughter David and Catherine would continue to go through with the ceremony. That night

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the two would find themselves consummating the marriage. Not once, not twice, but three

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times. Is that according to her though because apparently he had whiskey dick. Like come on

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now. He was that fucking wasted. When preparing to have sex for a fourth time. What? Catherine

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noticed that David had passed out perhaps from the amount of alcohol he drank or I

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don't know maybe he was fucking tired. Having sex three times in a row. I'm tired. I'm

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tired. She's. Catherine responded to David being asleep like any of us would and tried

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to strangle him awake. It's not funny. It's not funny. That's awful. Just because it's

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a man and a woman. It's not funny. It's not funny. It's not funny. She literally started

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strangling him stating later that the reason that she did that is because it was ridiculous

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that he fell asleep. I mean I've been there where I've been like are you fucking asleep

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motherfucker? You know, but strangling someone. Not going to strangle someone. Why would you

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strangle someone? Like I didn't mean to laugh. It's not funny, but like that's like ridiculous.

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Thankfully being strangled quickly woke David up and he was able to fight Catherine off.

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Although Catherine tried to seriously injure or kill David almost immediately after they

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got married. Yeah, black widow. Their marriage would last a grueling 10 years. 10 years?

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I gave it like two. Catherine continuously abusing him the entire time. That's fucked

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up. Which is really sad. And it's really more fucked up and I'm glad that you mentioned

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that. It's because a lot of people probably turned a blind eye because she was a woman

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abusing her male partner. Yeah, of course. Awful. Within the first year of their marriage,

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Catherine would become pregnant with their first child. During the entire pregnancy,

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Catherine was noted as being extremely verbally and physically abusive to David, but she would

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always just chalk it up to the hormones. Just hormonal. Let me beat the shit out of you.

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I'm hormonal and pregnant. Yeah, like just using it. This chick is a peach. Oh yeah. On

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one particular occasion, a very pregnant Catherine would burn all of David's clothing in a fit

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of rage before hitting him across the back of the head with a frying pan. What the fuck?

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Fracturing his skull in the process. Oh my god, this poor guy. I know. David had been

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at a darts tournament earlier in the day and he said that he would arrive home at a specific

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time or around a certain time. However, when he reached the finals and the tournament, he

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got further into the competition than he originally thought he would and it caused him to be home

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later than he expected. Right. So Catherine's response to this was to lash out, ultimately

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causing David to flee to a neighbor's house after he got hit with a frying pan. Oh my

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god. She was mad that he came home late, essentially. That mad. You know, I think about like his

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perspective and stuff and you know, I recently had a friend that went through a breakup and

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decided to get sober and during the course of this relationship and when they split,

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it was almost as if she was like, it just made sense. Like I feel like if I continued

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to drink, I would continue to numb the issues that I had in that relationship. Yeah. And

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when she got sober, she gained kind of this clarity and was like, okay, like I'm wondering

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if that's not what David's going through. Since he's already numbing himself through

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the use of alcohol because of his past trauma, is he also just like, well, I was also drunk

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and I also came home and made it reasonable in his head, you know, because he's numbing

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everything else. He might as well continue to numb the current situation too. Well, yeah,

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and it also explains why they stayed together for so long and also at this point, he's probably

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fucking terrified of her. If he tries to leave, what is she going to do? Right. It's easier

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to be with her and deal with the abuse than it would be to leave her because she would

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never leave him alone. Yeah, exactly. So after this incident, police went to charge Catherine

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for her assault. But when they went to speak with her, she of course put on her best behavior

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and charmed the officers. Behind closed doors, however, she was berating David and threatening

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him into dropping the charges against her. So yeah, he feels like he doesn't have a fucking

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choice. Yeah, and of course, you know, again, like we mentioned earlier, although we giggled,

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we giggled out of the scenario, but it's still very serious, very serious thing that, you

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know, some men don't get taken seriously with stuff like this, you know, because there's

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no way I mean, and we've all watched Amber Heard and Johnny Depp, you know, kind of shit.

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And it's like, I mean, if the proof wasn't there, then wouldn't anybody really believe

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it? Because it went on for so long, and nothing seemed to have been done about it. It wasn't

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until the defamation trial where all this evidence came out, you know, like, shit, like there

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was something going on there. And then the longer it goes, unfortunately, you're going

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to have those people that are like, well, why didn't you say something sooner or whatever?

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You know, it's just, it's really, really a hard situation. For sure. Yeah. So Catherine

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would not be charged for this crime. David would drop the charges. Catherine and David

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would welcome their first child, Melissa Ann Kellett, into the world in early 1976. Shortly

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after Catherine gave birth in May of 1976, David would actually pick up and move his

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things and himself in to Queensland and actually started dating another woman. Oh, wow. So

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he's like, I'm fucking done with you. Already done. Yeah. The following day, Catherine was

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seen pushing her newborn baby in a stroller down the main street. She was violently throwing

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the stroller from side to side as they went. And neighbors, of course, took notice. Somehow

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Catherine was found and taken to St. Elmo's Hospital in Tamworth. And there she would

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be diagnosed with postnatal depression. Okay. Now I wanted to make a note here because I

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had to look it up. While a lot of people use postpartum and postnatal depression interchangeably,

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they're actually two different diagnoses. So postpartum refers to issues pertaining

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to the mother and postnatal refers to issues concerning the baby. Okay. So postpartum would

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be if they were trying to harm themselves. Of course, postnatals with the baby. Catherine

389
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would spend several weeks recovering with David being gone and in Queensland the whole time.

390
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Although doctors prescribed Catherine with postnatal depression, there was no ongoing

391
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treatment that she would be receiving for the following weeks. She was just like there.

392
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She's being watched and monitored. Yeah, like we're going to hold on to your baby. Yeah,

393
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essentially. So after a couple of weeks went by, Catherine still had not heard from David

394
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and she began lashing out yet again. This time by placing a two month old Melissa on

395
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a railroad track shortly before the train was due. What happened to the baby? So after

396
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placing Melissa on the tracks, Catherine actually left her there and she left. She just left.

397
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And she went to steal an axe using it to threaten like several people in town like she was going

398
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to kill them. She was wielding an axe like threatened to kill people. She walked the

399
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baby to the railroad tracks, left the baby, then found an axe and then went back into

400
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town-ish or something. Yeah, it seems like it was at a railway station. You know what

401
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,520
you mean? Kind of like a subway station. Was she threatening people with the axe because

402
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they were trying to help the baby? No, it was random people. Okay, just so they had no idea

403
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,720
there was a baby. No idea there was a baby. Fuck. During this axe rampage, Catherine was

404
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not at all worried about Melissa who remained on the tracks. Fortunately, a man known around

405
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the same area by the name of Old Ted was actually foraging near the railway line when he spotted

406
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the infant on the tracks and was able to rescue her from certain death just minutes before

407
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the train arrived. Oh my gosh, Old Ted. Old Ted. Good job, Ted. Good old Ted. Good old

408
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Ted. Ted from the west. Ted from the east, I guess. Teddy, Teddy. Another fortunate event

409
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,520
was that Catherine did not injure anybody with her axe threats and she was ultimately

410
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arrested shortly after Melissa was found. So she didn't receive any treatment in the hospital.

411
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Now she's being arrested. You think she's gonna get any treatment in there? So we'll

412
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,480
see. So once again, Catherine was taken to St. Elmo Hospital to be evaluated, but she

413
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was able to leave on her own accord the following day when she had, quote, recovered from her

414
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mental breakdown. She was like, I'm recovered. She signed herself out of the hospital. How

415
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can you, they let her leave? That's, how can you have someone be like forcefully come in

416
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,840
for evaluation or whatever? Need a hospital stay, a psychiatric stay, and then they can

417
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sign themselves out? That's ridiculous. Ridiculous. But again, laws are different. We have a 72

418
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hour hold here and they might not, you know, are not at this time maybe. Yeah. So a few

419
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days after signing herself out of the hospital, Catherine had held one of her neighbors at

420
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like Knife Point demanding that she drive her to Queensland so that she could find David.

421
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,840
She's like, drive me to Queen, I guess her neighbor was like in the car like leaving.

422
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,200
She's like, drive me to Queensland. I need to go find David. Where's the baby, the protective

423
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,880
custody? She didn't really say what happened to Melissa at this point. I think she might

424
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,760
still be with Catherine. Well, she's in protective custody. She's not with her like right at

425
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,880
this point, but she's, I don't know where she is. It doesn't really say. Like I said,

426
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,720
I hope that she's in protective custody or with a relative or something. Yeah. Yeah.

427
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Really with a relative, honestly. So the woman neighbor refused to drive her at first and

428
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in response, Catherine actually like lunged forward and cut her in the face with the knife.

429
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,040
So the woman not wanting to anger Catherine further agreed to drive her anywhere in order

430
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to remain unharmed. Yeah. Catherine then got into the car with the woman and her young

431
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:15,480
son and the three began driving. Oh, hell no. Why all horses can drive me away? Hell

432
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,680
no. No, I'd be snatching my baby up and running. Shortly into the car ride, the car would

433
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:26,000
stop at a service station for an at the time unknown reason where the woman was able to

434
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:32,200
escape and phone police. However, this escape was brief and by the time police arrived,

435
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,800
Catherine had somehow managed to subdue the young boy and she was actually holding him

436
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,680
hostage. What? Yeah. So I guess the woman maybe escaped and Catherine grabbed the child

437
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,120
and the woman was like, I'm not running away from my child. Hell no. I'd fucking kill

438
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:52,280
someone. Somehow police decided to use brooms to disarm Catherine. Maybe like hit her with

439
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:59,680
a stick. Maybe I don't know. But at this point, they disarmed her, they arrested her and they

440
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,640
admitted her against her will to the Morissette psychiatric hospital. Okay. She was clearly

441
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,680
going through some sort of psychosis. Fucking whack the back of her fucking head with a fucking

442
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:15,800
broom. While at the hospital, Catherine opened up to nurses and told them that she had intended

443
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,680
to kill the mechanic at the service station because he was the one who had repaired David's

444
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:27,000
car giving way for him to flee to Queensland. She was like, it's your fault he's gone because

445
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:32,600
you fixed his car. That's a stretch. That's a stretch. Did you take a stretch before you

446
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:40,880
took that leap? That's a stretch. Yeah. She then said that after she killed the mechanic,

447
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:50,320
her plan was to track down David and his mother in Queensland and kill them both. Like what?

448
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:57,360
When police informed David about this incident and confession, he left his girlfriend and

449
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:03,880
him and his mother would return back to Aberdeen to support Catherine during this hard time.

450
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:09,960
You've got to be fucking kidding me. No. I said, after this, he filed a restraining order.

451
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:16,000
After this, he moved even further away. After this, he- I want to give David the benefit

452
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,600
of the doubt and assume that the only reason he returned is for the safety of his child.

453
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:26,240
And his mother. And his mother. Like I don't, I don't see him coming back to help Catherine.

454
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:31,000
Yeah. Or maybe he felt guilty and he thought that he caused this whole thing to happen,

455
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,160
this psychotic break. Yeah. And he felt like he had to come back and stay with him. I'm

456
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,960
hoping it's not clearly she loves me. Yeah. She's willing to kill the fucking mechanic

457
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:44,560
that fixed my car. And then she was going to kill me, but she loved me. So after several

458
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:50,160
weeks of being at this psychiatric unit, Catherine would be released on August 9th, 1976 into

459
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the care of David and his mother. And the three, along with Melissa, would move to Woodridge,

460
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:02,640
a suburb of Brisbane. Okay. So now they're all four in the same house. I mean, I guess

461
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,400
it also makes sense because you just want to keep a fucking eye on her, like you said.

462
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,720
Yeah. I mean, at least there's no surprises. Yeah, it's true. In Brisbane, Catherine would

463
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:16,880
obtain a job at the Denmore Meetworks in nearby Ipswich. More meat. Yeah. Catherine would

464
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,440
maintain this job and her relationship with David for another few years. So they got back

465
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:29,200
together. And the two would welcome a second child on March 6th, 1980, Natasha Marie Kellett.

466
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:35,000
I just feel like if she had postnatal depression, and I'm not saying that you can't work through

467
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,560
that and then you, you know, you and a doctor can't look ahead to it. Yeah. Not that you

468
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,400
can't have any more children, but also like she's not receiving any help. Of course not.

469
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,880
And they choose to have another child. And I doubt they approach a doctor and say, we

470
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,960
want to have another child together because we're so very happy together that we want

471
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to bring another child in this world. But these are my concerns. These are my concerns.

472
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,520
You know what you can do with a doctor, you know, you can absolutely talk to a doctor about

473
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,480
your postnatal or your postpartum depression and still have children and be successful

474
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,680
with that. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. But she's clearly not receiving the

475
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,440
help that she needs. Yeah, absolutely. And that's terrifying. The relationship would

476
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,160
of course continue to be tumultuous. But still the two remained married and living together

477
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:25,640
for many years after this. So four years later in 1984, Katherine would just grow tired of

478
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:31,120
David and her simple little life. And she decided to leave him. What? She decided to

479
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,760
leave him. She's like, this isn't good enough for me anymore. Yeah. It's not, it's not

480
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,000
enticing enough. Yeah. If you constantly ran away from me and there was constant drama,

481
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,840
I would love that in a relationship. Yeah. But you're boring. You're boring. You're

482
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:49,400
boring, David. And you're nice. You're full on commitment to this marriage and your children

483
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,480
is just too boring. And I stopped fighting and I can't deal with it. I can't deal with

484
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,000
it. So she actually first moved back in with her parents and Aberdeen, but then shortly

485
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:04,360
after moved to a rented house near Musclebrook. On her own once again, Katherine would return

486
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,960
to work at the Abattoir, the original slaughterhouse that she worked at as a teen. A year in

487
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,760
to working back at her old stomping grounds, Katherine would suffer a serious back injury,

488
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:19,360
causing her to become unable to work and forced to go into like a workers comp kind of situation.

489
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She would apply for disability and rent accommodation and she would receive a housing commission

490
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,000
for a house in Aberdeen. So she moved back to Aberdeen. Do you think that she was prescribed

491
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,800
medication and stuff too that was maybe controlled? I'm not sure actually. I didn't say that,

492
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,440
I didn't say that that had really anything to do with anything. Okay. But I'm sure there's

493
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:43,800
always some sort of pain meds. In 1986, Katherine would meet 38 year old minor David Saunders.

494
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:51,840
M-I-N-E-R? Yes. 38 year old, 18 year old. 13 year old, 28 year old. Yeah. So she's 31

495
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,160
at this point. He's 38. Not that that matters, but just to give you a timeline. Sure. The

496
00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:08,440
two would quickly move in together. The exact reaction I wanted. I literally put dots after

497
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:20,080
quickly moving together. That was great. That's a good one. I like that. Two would quickly

498
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:25,080
move in together. David would move in with Katherine and her two daughters who she somehow

499
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:30,640
has custody of. What? Yes. So she has custody of Melissa and Natasha. Two daughters. So

500
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,520
when she left she took the kids. Yes. What? Although David would move in with the girls

501
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:42,800
in Aberdeen, he would also keep his own apartment in Skone. Skone? Skone maybe. Skone. Skone.

502
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,080
He lives in a Skone. Yeah. I just like the way British people say Skone. Oh, Skone. Not

503
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,480
long after David moving in, Katherine would pick back up on her jealous tendencies and

504
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,040
she would frequently throw David out after picking fights with him about what he was

505
00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:00,160
doing when she wasn't around. I'm sorry. When he wasn't around. David? I'm sorry. It's

506
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:05,600
another David. So the first woman was David. Now she's dating a new guy named David. I

507
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:11,560
hear that. Okay. So 38 year old, minor David. Yes. Okay. So minor David. Yes. Okay. And

508
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,920
this is gonna come back around later, which is weird. Okay. So she would frequently pick

509
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,520
fights with him and she would get mad at him because she didn't know what he was doing

510
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,200
when he wasn't at the house. Okay. Because he had his own apartment, right? So she's

511
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,080
like, what the fuck are you doing when you're not over here? So David quickly became tired

512
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,760
of this behavior and he would move his stuff back into his apartment. Fuck it. I'm just

513
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,800
gonna go to his apartment. Fuck yeah. Katherine would ultimately follow David to his apartment

514
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,120
and beg for him to come back and be with her. Minor David. You just threw him out. This

515
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,480
is current David. The other David is not in the picture anymore. Completely gone. The

516
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:49,920
dad of the kids. Right. This is new David. This is minor David. Yes. David would reluctantly

517
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,360
agree to move back into the home with Katherine and her daughters. The two would remain together

518
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:59,920
for another year until one of their fights became more than just a screaming match. In

519
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:04,760
May of 1987, Katherine was on one of her usual rampages threatening David about what would

520
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:10,840
happen if he ever cheated on her. Katherine did the unthinkable. Wait, she started an argument

521
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:17,840
about what it would be like if he cheated on her? Yes. That is some, that's some shit,

522
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:24,480
man. Katherine grabbed David's new two month old dingo puppy and slit the dog's throat,

523
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:30,400
killing it instantly. Her reason for doing this was to show David what would happen to

524
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:37,440
him if he ever cheated on her. She killed his dog? A puppy? A puppy. And he didn't even

525
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:44,440
fucking do anything. She started an argument from literally nothing. From her own insecurities.

526
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:52,120
Oh yeah. And killed his dog. Oh. Like it makes my stomach hurt. That poor baby. She then

527
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,920
hit David in the head with a frying pan. Oh, that's her go to. In fact, that she had committed

528
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,800
on her previous husband, David, knocking him unconscious. She's like Rapunzel. That's

529
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:12,480
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535
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Despite this incredibly violent encounter, David would continue to stay and live with

536
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:58,480
Catherine. This is a theme now. She's like, is he also a heavy drinker? I'm not sure.

537
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,960
So again, just to be clear for everyone, this second, this is her second boyfriend named

538
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:09,080
David. David's. This is minor David. Yes. The following year in June of 1988, Catherine

539
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:14,120
and David would welcome their first child, Sarah Saunders. But she already has her two

540
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,360
daughters with her, right? Yes. So now they have three girls. Okay. Yeah. The birth of

541
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:23,040
their first child prompted David to put a deposit on a bigger house for the five of them, which

542
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,280
Catherine would eventually pay off with her workers' comp. Once moved into the home, it

543
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:34,680
was time to decorate. Catherine filled the walls with animal skulls and horns and layered

544
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:40,600
the floors with animal skins and like rusty animal traps. Could you imagine? Bear traps,

545
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,640
mouse traps. Could you imagine the smell in that place? Oh, it's probably not even like

546
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,560
tracks or meat. It's probably just like none. It's just stuff she finds at work. Yeah. Also

547
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:54,760
around the home were dozens of leather jackets, old boots, machetes, rakes and pitchforks.

548
00:47:54,760 --> 00:48:00,440
Children of the corn. Yeah, it's like very odd. The home was noted as having like no

549
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,400
space left uncovered with like various items like she filled the fucking house with shit.

550
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:12,080
I don't, yeah, no. I think wall decor is something where like I don't, like in one

551
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,200
of my last apartments, I think I maybe had like, I had a painting that my son did for

552
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:22,600
me from Mother's Day. I think I had, I have this one, it's not even hanging up now. That's

553
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:27,080
how much like I don't care about wall decor. Same. Yeah. That I wanted a silent auction

554
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:34,760
for transient individuals. And then, that's pretty much it. Yeah, wall decor is not my

555
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,360
forte. I don't like a lot of, well, by my computer space, I do have a lot of stuff,

556
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,240
but it's usually drawings from my son or my niece. Yeah. Things like that, because it's

557
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:48,840
just a very busy area in general. But in my room, I have like a tapestry. I have a dream

558
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:57,360
catcher and I have a glass silver dollar wind chime that Justin bought me for my birthday

559
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,960
before I had my son. That's pretty much it. Oh, and some dried roses. Oh, there you go.

560
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,040
Yeah, I'm never, mine are just so random. I have like a calendar. I have like two collage

561
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:11,440
picture things, two caricatures of me and Casey, and then those like live laugh love bullshit

562
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:16,400
things for camera. Live laugh love. No, it's just like dance as if no one's watching and

563
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,280
sing as if no one can hear. Right, but they were cameras. Yeah. And there's a third one

564
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,920
that has since gone missing or broke or something. That was at her apartment, I think her daughter

565
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:30,680
was like one or two. Yeah. She was a little little. All right, back to the story. So while

566
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,960
living in the home together this beautifully decorated home, Catherine and David got into

567
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:41,800
another dangerous argument. This time, Catherine would hit David in the face with an iron,

568
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,520
and then proceed to stab him in the stomach with a pair of scissors. Holy shit. Like,

569
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:53,520
ow. Like, ow, yeah. Yeah. What the fuck? After being stabbed, David would leave the home

570
00:49:53,520 --> 00:50:00,400
in a hurry, leaving his belongings, including his daughter, Sarah behind. David would ultimately

571
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,160
survive the attack, and he would return to his home in scone, but would return shortly

572
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,520
in order to check on Sarah. I guess he was afraid that Catherine would harm her. Harm

573
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:15,320
her? Yeah. I mean, he should take the children. Yes. When he arrived back at home, he found

574
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:20,160
all of his clothing cut up into pieces, a rampage that Catherine had seemingly gone on

575
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:25,000
when he left the first time. Yeah. After checking on his daughter's well being, David would

576
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,560
take a long service leave from work and go into hiding from Catherine. He's like, fuck

577
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:35,440
this. But what about the kids though? Why isn't anybody doing anything? I know, it's

578
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:40,040
terrible. How many times has the cops been called? I think not. At all. Because it doesn't

579
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,000
seem like any of the cops have been called. I don't want to, again, I don't want to make

580
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,880
excuses, but it kind of seems like, I mean, he went back to check on the kids, he probably

581
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,960
thought like, okay, she's not going to harm the kids because if she was going to, she

582
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:57,200
would have already. Yeah. I'm going to go. Yeah. You know. And who knows what she would

583
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,440
have done had he tried to take one of her daughters. Right. And it's his daughters too, but still,

584
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:07,760
you know. Yeah. So after David went into hiding, Catherine, repeating her past, would run around

585
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,520
town asking anyone if they knew where he went, but no one would admit to knowing where he

586
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,680
was. Good. Yeah. Because they learned their fucking lesson the first time. First, first

587
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:23,320
David. Several months went by and David would finally return again to check on Sarah. When

588
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:29,480
he arrived, he found out a baffling detail about Catherine's current life. While he

589
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:35,120
was in hiding, Catherine had taken it upon herself to go to the police station and file

590
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:41,160
a report against David, stating that she was afraid of him. She tried to get over a strain

591
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,920
order. The police had no choice but to believe her since David wasn't there to defend himself.

592
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,760
Oh, that's bullshit. And they issued her with an apprehended violence order against him.

593
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,120
I watched it recently. I don't know if you've heard about this Vanderpump rules scandal,

594
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:59,840
because everybody's talking about the Vanderpump rules scandal right now, the scandal. And

595
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:04,320
the one thing that really pissed me off and it was after listening to Sheena's shenanigans

596
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:10,520
podcast. And I think Lalo was on there and I think Kristen was on there. And not that

597
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,360
anybody knows what I'm talking about, but some people. Oh, some people definitely know

598
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:18,360
what I'm talking about. I don't. But some people. And I listened to it was the day.

599
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:24,280
I had to have been the I'm such a date person. It was the 19th of March. And that's when

600
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,480
they were filming where they were supposed to be filming the reunion. But there was still

601
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:36,600
charges pending. So apparently, Rachel, Raquel claimed that Sheena had hit her and how did

602
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:41,960
she have like a cut on her eye or something in a black eye? Anyway, she files this restraining

603
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:47,840
order against this co star. And the charges were still pending by the time they were doing

604
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:55,320
the reunion. Anyways, Sheena and her husband Brock go to this morning meeting, you know,

605
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,800
it's like at seven or eight o'clock, they have to drive like an hour and a half to get

606
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:04,000
to the courthouse, they had to have somebody watch their daughter, all this stuff, get

607
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:09,760
out of the car, TMZ is there, like all of these paparazzi like da da da da. She goes

608
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:16,120
in and there was a her lawyer had spoken to Rachel's lawyer and Rachel apparently wasn't

609
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,000
going to show like she's like, I'm just going to dismiss it. I'm not even going to show.

610
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,320
Well, Sheena's lawyer was like, fuck that, you're still going because if you don't show

611
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:29,320
up and she does decide to show up, you can't defend yourself. Right? So Sheena and Brock

612
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:36,760
show up. They dismissed the case. Rachel didn't show up. But Sheena was like, she's like,

613
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:44,360
not only is it a fucking waste of time, there are very real people that need access to this,

614
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:49,440
very real people that are in real danger. And I took someone's spot that day that needed

615
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:55,680
it. Of course. And that in that 24 hours, this person's case was pushed onto tomorrow.

616
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,600
But they're defending their lives against someone, their children's lives against someone.

617
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,720
What a fucking waste of time. And I have disrespectful and I've heard that a few times about people

618
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:09,440
doing like, you know, protection orders and things like that that don't need them. And

619
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:15,920
so again, in this case, this home world over here, wasting people's time. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

620
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,100
So I said it was called an apprehended violence order or an AVO, again, very similar to a

621
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:24,680
restraining order. But in some cases, on top of being like a certain radius away from the

622
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,120
holder, an AVO can also contain behaviors that the perpetrator can't engage in. So like

623
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:34,040
calling harassing trying to contact the victim, like it's more than just stay away from me

624
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:39,120
away. Yeah. So just to be clear. So due to this AVO, David was forced to leave the girls'

625
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:44,160
lives for good. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I know. That's awful. Catherine would continue to live alone

626
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,800
with the three girls for another few years. And in 1990, she would reconnect with an old

627
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:54,040
co-worker from the slaughterhouse. 43 year old, John Chillingworth. Okay, not a David.

628
00:54:54,040 --> 00:55:03,960
Okay. Not a David. The two would quickly have a child. She's throwing curveballs. They would

629
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:10,680
welcome their boy, Eric Chillingworth, in the March of, in the March of 1990. And the two

630
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:15,080
would continue to date for three more years. What happens? So she has her daughters, she

631
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:20,680
has all three of the daughters and now they have a son boy. Okay. No incidents and violence

632
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:25,080
were reported in their relationship, but it's hard to say that nothing happened during those

633
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:30,120
three years because of course, Catherine has a track record, right? Three years into their

634
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:35,560
relationship, Catherine would leave John for another man that she was in an ongoing affair

635
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:41,240
with. Another John. No. John Price. So she's got a David, a David, a John and a John. Yes.

636
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:45,560
Oh my gosh. She does not have to remember names. I know. She can shout out whatever she wants.

637
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:53,240
So this is her fourth relationship. Second, John. John Pricey Price was born on April

638
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:58,600
4, 1955, as the oldest of six children. His nickname was Pricey. Oh, I see. Okay. I was

639
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:03,880
like his middle name was Pricey and his last name was Price. I'm inventive. John attended school until

640
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:09,400
the age of 14. And when he dropped out, he could barely read or write. Similarly to Catherine's

641
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:14,120
upbringing and education. Yeah. Although he had minimum education, John was known to be a very

642
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:19,320
hard worker and he had a job in heavy machinery, trucking and mining. Another minor John. Another

643
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:24,840
minor John. Another minor David and minor John. John was married prior to meeting Catherine and he

644
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:31,080
had a son and two daughters with his previous wife, Colleen. After 15 years of marriage, the two would

645
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:37,000
split up but would continue to maintain a good relationship. John and Catherine met at a local

646
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:43,000
pub at the end of the 80s and would start their affair. Okay. Similarly to her other previous

647
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:48,440
relationships, this one would be very volatile and Catherine would frequently express paranoia

648
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:55,800
about John cheating on her. Even though she was cheating on John with John. Yes. Well, okay.

649
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:02,760
I find that really interesting that she's so insecure about cheating when it's not necessarily

650
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,840
it was modeled, like it wasn't necessarily modeled when she was growing up. It's true. I mean, I don't

651
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:12,840
know. Clearly, like her parents had a very tumultuous relationship but yeah. She's so gung-ho about

652
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:18,840
don't cheat on me. Yeah. I don't know where the insecurity comes from, right? Due to these accusations,

653
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:23,160
the two would split up and reconcile many times throughout their affair before it was public.

654
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:28,280
Yeah. Do you think it's more of a maintain- I take back what I said. It's probably about control

655
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,120
just in general. That's true. Yeah. I mean, she wants to be with someone all the time and she just

656
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,720
wants someone to leave her. She doesn't want- Until it's her choice. Yeah, exactly. Until it's her

657
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:40,040
choice to leave the relationship and she doesn't want her significant other influenced by anybody,

658
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:45,560
especially another woman. Well, that's a narcissistic tendency as well. Yeah. John was known as a quote

659
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:51,640
terrific bloke. Aw. I love that. Who was liked by everyone that knew him and he was also well aware

660
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,880
of Catherine's violent past before they began their relationship. So it's kind of odd to people

661
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,880
that he would go into a relationship with her. Yeah. But some, I mean, I definitely know some

662
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:04,200
people that date and they're significant and they're totally makes sense to me. I'm like, oh, yeah,

663
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,520
you can handle her. Absolutely. Yeah. Or it's like I can fix them or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Or it's,

664
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,120
you know, oh, they really balance each other out because they know what they're getting into.

665
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,840
Yeah. After Catherine ended her relationship with John Chillingworth for good,

666
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:21,560
her and John Price would make their relationship public. Okay. While his two-year-old daughter

667
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,160
stayed with her mother, John would bring his two other children to live with them. Okay.

668
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:30,760
Catherine and her children would move in with John in 1995. And she's got four now.

669
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:36,280
This was her four children and his two children. But honestly, the kids kind of get like pushed

670
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,560
around in this whole story. Yeah. I know. They still focus too much on how many kids are in the

671
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,360
house. We need to do a case on those kids. I know. Where are they? Are they safe?

672
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,880
His children were noted as really liking Catherine. John was making more than enough

673
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,040
money to support the family. And besides the occasional violent argument, the household

674
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,560
kind of seemed cohesive. Like everyone was kind of getting along. So he probably knew how to

675
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:01,880
read her pretty well. Yeah. According to John, at first, quote, life was a bunch of roses.

676
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:09,160
That's really sad. About five years into their relationship in 1998, Catherine and John got

677
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:14,360
into a blowout fight about John's refusal to marry Catherine. So she had said, like,

678
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,960
we should get married. And he was like, I don't think that's a great idea. And she freaked out.

679
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,960
Yeah. Which is like, why not? Are you cheating on me? Are you having an affair?

680
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,960
Exactly. And you know who accuses people of cheating multiple times?

681
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,760
Our cheaters. Yeah. In response to this, Catherine wanted to get revenge.

682
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:36,680
She knew that John had taken numerous things from his job over the years. And although the items were

683
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,320
mostly expired medical kits that he had taken from the dump, Catherine knew that he was most

684
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:47,400
likely not allowed to have taken them. She began videotaping all of the items inside the home.

685
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:52,840
And she would send the videos to John's boss to get back at him for refusing her proposal to

686
00:59:52,840 --> 01:00:01,160
marry her. But that's just all it, but you're, you have kids to feed. You have to feed yourself.

687
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:07,560
And she's making the money. Well, I, yeah, but still like, you know, no, he's clearly the breadwinners.

688
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:13,480
But yeah, like, come on, you're only fucking over literally everyone else. Yeah. I thought you're

689
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:18,760
going to say she called the cops or something. No. After his boss discovered the videos, John was

690
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:27,560
fired from his job after 17 years. 17 years? That's fucking heartbreaking. I know. Like,

691
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:32,840
this poor fucking guy. All because she just fucking pointed it out. Clearly nobody was missing this

692
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,440
shit, right? No one fucking cared. No one cared. But the fact that she made a stink about it,

693
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:41,320
then all of a sudden they had to do something about it. The same day he was fired, John went home

694
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,160
and proceeded to kick Catherine and her children out of his house. He's like, you know what, get

695
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:50,520
the fuck out. Get the fuck out of here. I'd be pissed. Catherine would return home and the small

696
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:57,080
town quickly heard the news of what she had done to get her now ex-boyfriend fired. God. A few months

697
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:03,000
went by and the two would ultimately reconnect and begin dating again. This time, however, John

698
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:07,880
would not allow Catherine to move back in with him and the two would remain in their separate homes.

699
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,880
But she can't be okay with that either, though. Like, she's probably like, definitely one of

700
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:16,360
those people that's like, well, if I just like start dating him again, then eventually we're

701
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,640
gonna move in together and eventually we're gonna get married. Yeah, and I'll just leave a little

702
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,400
bit of things every time I go so that I can just like slowly move in. Yeah, she like whittles her

703
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:28,840
way in there. Yeah. It's no surprise that during this time, the two would continue fighting ruthlessly

704
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,760
and it got to the point that John was beginning to lose friends because they didn't want to be

705
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:38,040
around him if Catherine was in his life. That's so rough, I know. In February of the year 2000,

706
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:43,720
there were a series of assaults on John at the hands of Catherine. In one instance, Catherine

707
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:50,360
was noted as stabbing John in the chest, an attack that he would survive. John was completely fed up

708
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:55,400
at this point and he banned Catherine from going to his home at all. How has this chick not been

709
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:01,320
fucking charged with something? She stabbed people, she's hit people to the point of

710
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:06,360
unconsciousness. Yeah. She's like abandoning children left and right. Yeah. She's probably,

711
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:13,000
you know, at least child neglect, you know, putting, what is it, child endangerment, probably.

712
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:19,400
It just kind of seems like she has this twisted hold on people that they're too afraid to call

713
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,880
the cops. Well, and again, we talked about the fact that she is a female and they are males. Yeah.

714
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,440
And it's like the amount of pressure they might feel to be like, well, I can't, you know,

715
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,440
do anything about this because then I just look like a weak person. Yeah.

716
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:38,360
Yeah. And I just, that's just incredible to me. And not only that, it's completely compounded

717
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:44,440
by the fact that she has had absolutely no accountability, well, no help, of course, but

718
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:51,560
she has not had a consequence yet. Ever. At all. At all. And when her mom said, deal with it,

719
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,760
that's what you're gonna have to do, she said absolutely not. And she did the complete opposite.

720
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,360
And she's like, I'm gonna make the decisions. I'm gonna make the decisions. Yeah, I'm not gonna

721
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:04,280
just be this, you know, perceived weak person. So she has always, she's just always had her dukes

722
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:12,600
up like her whole life. Exactly. On February 29, 2000, John stopped by the Scones Magistrate Court

723
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:17,080
on his way to work and took out a restraining order on Catherine. Good. And an attempt to keep

724
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:23,080
not only himself, but his children safe. Good. That afternoon, John was noted as telling co-workers

725
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:27,880
about the restraining order. And he also told them that if he did not return to work the following

726
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:32,840
day, it would be because Catherine had killed him. Tell me he goes to work the next day.

727
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:38,520
So he pretty much was saying once she finds out about this restraining order, like she's gonna

728
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:44,360
flip out. Yeah. John's co-workers urged him not to return home, but he insisted that he needed

729
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,880
to go back as he was afraid that Catherine would try to harm his children if he didn't.

730
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,440
But once you put the restraining order, like once you file it, aren't you not supposed to be around

731
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,920
that person? Well, no, she doesn't know about it. I'm sure he'd rather tell her in person

732
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,600
instead of letting her get to his house before he can to the kids. Yeah. You know.

733
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:05,240
Yeah, I just feel like once you once you file that, I don't know. I don't know how the laws work

734
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:13,320
then and now in A.U.S. versus here. But yeah, I would think that I'm pretty sure once you file

735
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:19,240
nowadays, there's this period where it's as almost as if it's in place. It's like a temporary

736
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:24,200
restraining order and then you file for it or dismiss it. I think so too. Yeah. His boss had

737
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:29,480
even offered for John to stay the night at his home, although he refused. So you can come sleep

738
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:34,680
with me like don't go home and John was like, no, I have to. John returned home that night and was

739
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:41,880
surprised to find Catherine already there, but no children in sight. No. Fearing the worst,

740
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:46,040
he asked Catherine where his children were and she stated that she had sent them for a sleepover

741
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:52,040
at her friend's house. Was that true? Yes, it was true. Okay. Earlier in the day, Catherine had gone

742
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:57,880
out to buy some brand new black lingerie and also made video tapes of all of her children.

743
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:06,200
The reasoning for this was unknown at the time, but it was noted. So it'll make sense in a minute.

744
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:12,120
Okay. She had made like various video tapes of her children, essentially for like memories,

745
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,640
if you will. John explained that since the children were out, he was going to go hang out

746
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:23,000
at one of his neighbor's house for a few hours and Catherine said, okay, and took off. I guess

747
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:28,120
maybe he thought she was going home. She was just chill with it. She was cool with it. She was like,

748
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:33,480
yeah, okay, like go do your thing. Like I'll leave pretty much. So I don't know if she went to run some

749
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:38,520
errands or maybe just go home for a bit or whatever, but I don't think he expected her to return that

750
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:45,080
night. We'll say that. John returned home around 11pm and shortly went to bed. Catherine would

751
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:50,440
return to the home later that night unexpected. She got into the home while John was asleep. She

752
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:55,080
probably had a key and she sat on the couch and watched TV for a few minutes before going to

753
01:05:55,080 --> 01:06:00,920
take a shower. After showering, she snuck into John's bedroom and woke him up to have sex.

754
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:08,040
Was she wearing the black lingerie? Probably so. The two would engage in sex. John had sex with her.

755
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,760
And he would fall asleep afterwards, fall back asleep. Okay. Does she know about the

756
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:17,640
restraining order yet? I don't think so. Okay. This is all too fucking creepy. I'm sorry. Just the

757
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:22,360
fact that the kids are not even in the fucking house. I would be worried. I would too. I think

758
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:27,560
that would be like a huge red flag. The following day, a neighbor noticed that John's car was still

759
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:32,760
in the driveway while after the time that he was supposed to have left for work. When he did not

760
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:38,280
arrive at work, John's boss immediately got a bad feeling. Yeah, where's the poop? And sent one of

761
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:43,800
his employees to John's home to check on him. Once the employee arrived, the neighbor came outside

762
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:48,440
and met up with him and they both went to the house to check on John. The two knocked with no

763
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:53,320
answer. And they even knocked on John's bedroom window in order to try to like wake him up, but no

764
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:58,360
answer. Yeah. The two went back to the front door to try again. And this time they actually noticed

765
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:04,040
blood on the door and immediately called police. Yeah. Police arrived and were able to enter the

766
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:10,040
home through the back door after breaking through it. Upon entering the home, police found Catherine

767
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:16,760
comatose on the bed from consuming a large number of pills. They also found what was later

768
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:23,800
determined to be John's body, but not the way you'd think. Later determined? The fuck does that mean?

769
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:30,360
The events that followed Catherine and John having sex are as follows. After John fell asleep,

770
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:35,880
after sex, Catherine began stabbing him with a butcher knife. John awoke in a panic and tried

771
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:40,280
to turn the bedroom light on and then attempted to escape while Catherine chased him throughout the

772
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:46,120
home. Jesus. John managed to open the front door and get outside, but he either stumbled back due

773
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:51,160
to blood loss or he was pulled back into the hallway where he would ultimately die after

774
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:58,920
receiving at least 37 stab wounds to the front and back of his body, many piercing his vital organs.

775
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,600
Oh my god, that's fucking terrifying. That's why the blood was at the front door.

776
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:07,720
After Catherine was sure that John was dead, she drove to Aberdeen and withdrew

777
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:13,000
1000 Australian dollars, about 700 US dollars from John's bank account via an ATM.

778
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,800
I didn't really do the conversion rate because it was only like an extra thousand dollars. Yeah.

779
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:27,400
She then returned to the home. This is where it gets very ugly. Several hours after John had died,

780
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,720
Catherine skinned his entire body and hung the skin from a meat hook.

781
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:39,080
She then decapitated John and cooked parts of his body, serving the meat with multiple veggies,

782
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:45,960
including pumpkin, cabbage, yellow squash, beetroot, and a baked potato along with gravy.

783
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:51,080
She ate it. This was served on two separate plates at the dinner table,

784
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:56,600
along with name tags next to each plate containing each of John's children's names.

785
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:04,520
That is some fucking shit. She was indeed preparing to serve John's body parts to his children.

786
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:14,680
But this is, okay, but this is, but this is like, sorry, I'm short circuiting. So this is within,

787
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:19,960
I mean, this is within 24 hours, right, essentially, because they, it's that morning. So she,

788
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,800
she had already set the dinner table. Yeah, I'll get into it in a second.

789
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:30,520
You'll, you'll, I get all the details. Don't worry. Okay. Police also found a third meal that had

790
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:35,080
seemingly been thrown out into the backyard. The thought behind this was that Catherine was

791
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:40,120
planning on eating a plate herself, but could not bring herself to do so. So she just threw it.

792
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:41,480
Yeah, she's gonna give it to everybody else.

793
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:46,040
Price's decapitated head was found in a pot with vegetables as well.

794
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:51,960
When police arrived, the pot was still warm. The temperature actually being around 45 degrees

795
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:56,520
Celsius. So there's about 115 degrees Fahrenheit for people that are on the metrics.

796
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,760
This indicated that the cooking had taken place in the early morning.

797
01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:07,800
Some time later, Catherine had arranged what was left of John's body with his left arm draped

798
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:13,080
over an empty soft drink bottle and his legs crossed. He was on the floor, but his legs were

799
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:19,080
crossing his arm was like up for some reason. Lastly, Catherine had left a handwritten note

800
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:24,920
on top of a photograph of John. The note was bloodstained and covered in small pieces of flesh.

801
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:32,040
It stated, quote, there's typos just to warn everyone, quote, time got you back, Jonathan,

802
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:40,040
for wrapping my doubter. They think it meant raping my daughter, quote, you to Beck for Ross

803
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:47,960
for little John. Now play with little John's dick, John Price. Beck is noted as being John's daughter

804
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:55,320
and John was his son. So you to Beck for Ross for little John. I think she was trying to say

805
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:59,960
like these plates are for them, maybe. And I don't know what the whole dick thing is about, but

806
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:05,480
it was very, very strange. It sounds like, I don't know, say it again. It sounded like, sorry,

807
01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:11,960
sorry. You to Beck for Ross for little John. Now play with little John's dick, John Price.

808
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:18,040
Like it doesn't make any fucking sense. Like she's blaming like this is for Beck,

809
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:23,160
like you're meeting your daughter. Like this is all for her because of what happens to Ross,

810
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:30,520
I guess, and little John. I don't know. It's weird. So kind of hard to understand the accusations in

811
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:34,840
the note about Catherine's daughter potentially being sexually assaulted were found to be false.

812
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,840
So Don didn't fucking do anything. She just did this to him.

813
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:46,040
Everyone take a deep breath. That's a lot. I know. There's another case where that there's that

814
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:51,720
body chest cam of that officer walking through that house where that guy had murdered his parents.

815
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:58,120
And there was like a foot, like just a foot somewhere like upstairs, but that he had, he was,

816
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,920
they didn't know they were going in for a welfare check. And they didn't know, but

817
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:07,480
when the officer's walking in, they're clearing the house. There's a pot on the stove and it

818
01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:12,200
contains his mother's head. And the officers don't know the entire time they're in the crime scene.

819
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:17,240
It's like a Zach Bowen. Yeah, they didn't know until they were literally taking inventory of the

820
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:21,720
house like two hours later. And they had walked past it several times. It didn't even know that

821
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:26,120
fucking terrifying. Yeah. Speaking of police, it's interesting that you brought that up. Sergeant

822
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:30,120
Robert Wells was one of the men that walked into the home that morning. And what he saw has

823
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:36,280
since caused him to become diagnosed with severe PTSD. He said about that day, quote,

824
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:40,920
we didn't get much information about what was going on at the house, just that we had to get

825
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:46,600
there quick. I was actually stationed at another police station about 40 minutes away. By the time

826
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:51,480
I got to the scene, Catherine was leaving in an ambulance. She had taken some pills, not enough

827
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:57,000
to kill her, but they made her sleepy. I walked inside and saw the human skin pelt hanging up,

828
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:04,840
completely intact in one piece. Whoa, John Price's decapitated and skinned body was lying on the

829
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:10,200
floor in the lounge room. We found his head. It had been boiled and cooked in a pot on the stove.

830
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:16,200
There were a number of slices of rump taken off his human rump, baked in the oven with some vegetables

831
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:21,880
and put on plates with the names of two of his children on them, end quote. Sergeant Wells also

832
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,800
recalled later that there was a moment that he looked at Catherine's face and instantly knew

833
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:31,720
everything was she was saying was a lie. He said about this, quote, the fact that Catherine Knight

834
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,960
had been violent towards the men she had been in relationships with over the years, they were all

835
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:41,240
quite smaller than her. It is very unusual for a woman to do this. And all my years on the force,

836
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:46,120
I've never once been called to a scene where a woman was violently beating up on a man. Most of

837
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:50,680
the time, from my experience, it is men being violent towards their female partners. Catherine

838
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:55,000
Knight was a very unique case, end quote. It's interesting that he said that all of the men

839
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:59,400
were smaller than her, to remember the elementary thing. And so I was thinking of that, yes, dear.

840
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,920
So police obviously woke Catherine up once they entered the home and she immediately claimed that

841
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:10,360
she had no recollection of the night before. I have no idea what I did. What happened? I've just

842
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:16,280
been sleeping. I just woke up here. Police obviously immediately arrested Catherine,

843
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:20,680
whose initial offer was to plead guilty to manslaughter. This was clearly rejected. Yeah.

844
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:25,480
Yeah. She was arraigned on March 2, 2001 on the charge of murdering John Price,

845
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:29,960
in which she had entered a plea of not guilty. Like, what the fuck do you think we're gonna

846
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:34,280
get? You're gonna be like, oh yeah, you're not guilty. Her trial was initially set for July 23rd,

847
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:39,240
but was pushed back due to her attorney becoming sick. The trial was then moved to October 15,

848
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:46,040
2001. During the trial, Justice Barry O'Keefe offered the 60 people on the jury to be excused

849
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:51,000
during the showing of the graphic photos from the crime scene, to which five accepted. I was gonna

850
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:57,640
say, no, like, that's your job. Sorry. I mean, it's traumatizing, but fuck. So five people accepted.

851
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:02,520
When the witness list was read out to the jury, several more dropped out for unknown reasons.

852
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,720
I'm not sure if it's like, God, that's a lot of witnesses. I don't want to sit through this or

853
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:10,600
whatever. After this, the jury was impaneled. So I wanted to explain what this means, because I had

854
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:15,080
to look it up. Yeah. Impaneling a jury means like selecting a set number of people that will not be

855
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:19,480
allowed to leave just like what you said. And they are required to stay and make a decision and see

856
01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:23,720
all the evidence. So I guess in Australia, it's a little bit different. They have like a bunch of

857
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:28,200
people come in and they kind of like weed people out during the trial and doing it beforehand.

858
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:33,080
Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, because we do, they do the paneling all before. Yeah, exactly.

859
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,840
And I just think it's interesting to note because I was researching it. In Australia,

860
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:42,360
they have jury duties similarly to us. However, they get paid $40 for each day for the first six

861
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:49,320
days and then $80 every day thereafter if the trial lasts longer. In Texas, you can get paid no

862
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:56,040
less than $6 a day and no more than $50 a day for jury duty. Although there's still potential for

863
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:01,880
payment, the commissioners court of a county may choose to reduce or eliminate the daily compensation

864
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:06,920
if you only attended for one day. So literally you can go for an entire day, miss work and not

865
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:10,520
make any money, which is fucking stupid. I think we get like three bucks and it's like,

866
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:16,040
this is that's cute gas to get all the way downtown. And similarly to the US,

867
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:21,160
Australia, jury duty is required. If you get called, you get, you have to go. Sure. You never

868
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:27,320
catch me, Capas. I haven't ever gone, but I've only ever been called when I was in school. So I

869
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:33,080
had like a school excuse. Oh yeah. They're coming for you. Yeah. Casey was like, I just didn't

870
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,960
fucking show up. I was like, Oh my god. Yeah, Cameron was the one that was like, I didn't show

871
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,080
up to my last one. I haven't heard shit. And it was like, the last time I got called was like

872
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:43,960
eight, nine years ago. Did I tell you? I'm fine. I'm going to out my boyfriend right now. Did I

873
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:49,560
tell you about Casey got called for jury duty in 2020 and it was via zoom when they were doing

874
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:57,720
the screening and he turned his mic on and they told him to go. They told him to me.

875
01:16:59,480 --> 01:17:02,280
Hold you in contempt of court. You know what, sir, you're free to go.

876
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:09,240
Thank you, sir. That's all I required. So bad. And you won't be selected for the next

877
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:15,960
trial. Oh, this guy's far. We cannot have him on here. Oh, Lord. I don't even think he had his

878
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:24,600
camera on. I just think he had his mic on. Love you, babe. He has a listen. So it's fine. It's fine.

879
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:30,440
Okay. Back to the trial. So after the jury was set, Catherine's attorneys spoke to the judge who

880
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:34,200
then adjourned the hearing to the following day. Okay. But it was kind of weird because it wasn't

881
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,720
like they ran out of time. They just like, he was like, okay, tomorrow, like we'll pick back up.

882
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,240
Well, sometimes I've seen that, you know, just because I watch a lot of like,

883
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:48,360
lawn crime network hearings and stuff like right now I'm watching that stepmom that killed her stepson.

884
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,280
So I watched like a lot of that stuff. But sometimes if they know that they're going to be

885
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:56,600
opening up like a whole new piece of evidence, it's going to take for fucking ever. Yeah, like,

886
01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:00,760
we'll just do it tomorrow. Yeah. And that's exactly what happened. So the next morning in a shocking

887
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:06,280
turn of events, Catherine changed her plea to guilty and the jury was actually dismissed. So

888
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:10,600
apparently when you change your plea to guilty, they don't need a fucking jury. No, yeah. Yeah.

889
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:18,920
Exactly. Yeah. It was, oh yeah, that was stupid. Yeah. Or, you know, they don't, a lot of people

890
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:23,960
and I would be too are pissed off when killers specifically were that it's like, beyond a

891
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:27,800
reasonable doubt, like clearly this person, it's more than just circumstantial evidence. Yeah.

892
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,880
They're clearly going to be found guilty. And when they plead not guilty, it's like,

893
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:36,360
you're literally making everyone suffer through this fucking trial. Yeah. Because you're an asshole.

894
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:41,320
Yeah, exactly. Well, they also killed people. So clearly you're an asshole. Yeah. So it was made

895
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,160
public after this that Judge O'Keefe actually knew about the plea change the night before and

896
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:49,960
that's why he adjourned. Oh, so that's a jury could, so that he could arrange for her to get

897
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:55,320
actually a psych eval overnight in order to make sure that she fully understood what would happen

898
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:59,160
and what she was pleading guilty to. I see. So that's why he was like, okay, everyone leave. Yeah.

899
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:04,680
The defense attorneys had planned to defend Catherine by claiming amnesia and dissociation,

900
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:08,760
a claim that was actually supported by her psychiatrist, although they did consider her to

901
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:13,960
be legally sane. So they said, yeah, she might have had dissociation and amnesia, but she's sane.

902
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:18,360
Yeah, like she's, yeah, exactly. Just because you don't remember certain aspects of a traumatic

903
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:22,840
event, you might have amnesia from that. But that doesn't necessarily qualify you to be insane

904
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:27,960
under the eyes of the law. During this overnight evaluation, two different psychiatrists also

905
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:32,760
concluded that Catherine suffered from borderline personality disorder. There we go. Despite the

906
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:37,160
diagnosis, no real reason has ever been given for Catherine changing her pleading guilty.

907
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:42,200
She hasn't really said like why. Furthermore, even though she pleaded guilty, Catherine still never

908
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:47,240
accepted responsibility for her actions. So she's like pleading guilty, but I didn't, I didn't do it.

909
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,800
She's like, but it's not my fault. He was a dickhead and he was cheating on me and he was

910
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:54,360
leaving and you know, whatever. Yeah. At the sentencing hearing, Catherine's attorneys asked at

911
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:59,160
one point if she could be excused during the explanation of the gruesome facts of the case.

912
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:03,720
She's like, they're too much for me to handle. Which was denied. The judge made her say that.

913
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:08,920
Yeah, fucking good. When forensic pathologist Timothy Lyons took the stand and began describing

914
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:14,680
the skinning and decapitation of John, Catherine became hysterical and had to be sedated. Bitch,

915
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:19,320
you fucking did it. You did it. You did it. Why are you freaking out now? You weren't freaking out

916
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:23,960
while you were doing it. It reminds me of like manic episodes, though, almost, right? Like when

917
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:30,760
she would be in these moments, it was like there was no stopping her until she like was satisfied,

918
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:36,040
you know, with whatever pain she was inflicting on someone or the argument or the stabbings or

919
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:42,360
the hitting or whatever. So I bet in that moment, when you are calm for the most part,

920
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:47,240
and you're sitting there and you're watching this unfold, it's not the same as like being in the

921
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:51,880
moment, you know what I mean? But honestly, like kind of glad that she like became hysterical

922
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:56,520
because like she's deserved to not have to sit there. Yeah, she has to live with what she fucking

923
01:20:56,520 --> 01:21:00,120
did. Yeah, exactly. And that's part of taking the accountability as having a full realization of

924
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:04,520
what you did to someone. Of course, yeah, definitely. And that's why they had to make sure she was

925
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:10,680
sane so that she knew what she was confessing to or pleading to. On November 8th, over a month

926
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:15,160
after the trial started, Justice O'Keeffe stated that the nature of the crime and Catherine's lack

927
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:20,280
of remorse required a severe penalty. Catherine Knight was sentenced to life in prison without

928
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:25,400
possibility of parole. Good. Justice O'Keeffe also requesting that her papers be marked quote,

929
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:30,600
never to be released. This was the first time that a life sentence had been imposed on a woman

930
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:36,360
in Australian history. The first time? Yep, that a woman got a life sentence. And this was when?

931
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:43,480
Again? This was in the early 2000s. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Justice O'Keeffe stated about the sentencing

932
01:21:43,480 --> 01:21:48,840
quote, she did not qualify for mercy because of her cruel, vicious behavior. She showed him no

933
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:54,840
mercy. She had not expressed any contrition or remorse. If released, she poses a serious threat

934
01:21:54,840 --> 01:22:00,600
to the security of society. I am satisfied beyond any doubt that such a murder was premeditated.

935
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:05,320
I'm further satisfied in the same way that not only did she plan the murder, but she also enjoyed

936
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:09,800
the horrific acts which followed in its wake as part of a ritual of death and defilement.

937
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:16,200
The things which she did after the death of Mr. Price indicate cognition, volition, calm, and skill.

938
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:21,400
I am satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that her evil actions were playing out of her resentments

939
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:26,680
arising out of her rejection by Mr. Price, her impeding expulsion from Mr. Price's home,

940
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:31,880
which he wanted to retain for his children. The last minutes of his life must have been a time

941
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:40,200
of abject terror for him as they were a time of utter enjoyment for her. End quote. Like,

942
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:49,640
Mike fucking drop. Fucking heaps, holy shit. Yeah. In June of 2006, Catherine appealed her life

943
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:54,360
sentence, claiming that a penalty of life in prison without the possibility of parole was way too

944
01:22:54,360 --> 01:23:00,120
severe for her crime. No, it's not. No, it's not. Justice's Peter McClellan, Michael Adams, and

945
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:05,000
Megan Latham dismissed the appeal in the New South Wales Court of Criminal Appeals in September

946
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:10,280
with Justice McClellan writing in his judgment quote, this was an appalling crime almost beyond

947
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:16,680
contemplation in a civilized society. Catherine May Knight is now 67 years old and is still

948
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:22,280
serving out her life sentence at Silverwater Prison about 20 kilometers or 12 miles away from Sydney.

949
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:29,880
But wait, there's more. There's more? In November of 2020, detectives from Lake

950
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:35,160
Macquarie Police District established a force called Strike Force Irriband to investigate

951
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:43,000
allegations that two teenage boys had been abused between 1990 and 2004. The man found

952
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:48,280
in connection with these crimes was one Neville Rohan, who was already facing 15 sexual assault

953
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:55,240
charges relating to the same boys. But Rohan isn't Rohan. Rohan's her, it's Jack Rohan's kid.

954
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Due to this new information coming out, after his new hearing, there was an additional 85 charges

955
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dating back to the 1960s laid on Neville in relation to a further seven boys. In addition,

956
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Roland George Powell was arrested and charged with 28 counts of sexual and indecent assault.

957
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Neville was 71 and Roland was 68 at the time of these charges. Now, what does this have to do

958
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:26,680
with the case? You just said it. I did. Neville Rohan was actually born Neville Joseph Knight,

959
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and he has none other than Catherine's older brother.

960
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:37,960
That's crazy. So he's a pedophile. Yeah. He's also in prison. You said in really, oh, okay,

961
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but you said in relation to two teenage boys, oh, but they were the victims of his. Is that

962
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:48,360
where you're saying, oh, I see. But the allegations that he sexually assaulted her when she was younger

963
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:54,680
might, he was able to do that as a child and look what he's still fucking doing as a fucking wild.

964
01:24:54,680 --> 01:25:00,760
Well, I mean, they grew up with that like overly sexual household. Yeah. I mean, that can't help

965
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:07,560
anybody, honestly. Now, going back to Sergeant Wells from earlier in the story, the police officer

966
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that gave the whole statement about what he saw in the PTSD now, he is now a mental health advocate

967
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:17,080
and is known for encouraging all men and women, especially those working in emergency services,

968
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to seek help if they need it. He has stated, quote, although things have gotten better,

969
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:25,880
I think there's still a lot of stigma around the issue of mental health. After 20 plus years on the

970
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:30,680
job, you become a bit numb to everything you see. You might not feel like you're affected at the time,

971
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but it can catch up with you later. My condition is something I manage. I see a psychologist once

972
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:41,480
a month. Sometimes I depend on medication. Sometimes I don't. I have a good partner who keeps me level

973
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and good, strong, loving children and grandchildren. They make me want to wake up every day and keep

974
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:58,200
going. That's my therapy. Oh, so I wanted to pepper in the Australian phone numbers for a couple of

975
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different lines. So if you are someone you know is experiencing sexual abuse or family violence,

976
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contact these two lines. These are both Australian numbers. The National Sexual Assault

977
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Domestic Violence Counseling Center is a 24 hour helpline and that is 1-800-RESPECT or 1-800-737-732.

978
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And then the National Violence and Abuse Trauma Counseling and Recovery Service

979
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is at 1-800-FULL-STOP or 1-800-385-578. This service also offers a specific line for the

980
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:39,000
LGBTIQA Plus community called the Rainbow Sexual Domestic and Family Violence Line at 1-800-497-212.

981
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Wow. And that's my case. Oh my gosh. I know. That was a lot. I know. That's incredible though.

982
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I cannot believe. I bet this is one of the biggest cases to come out of Australia. Oh, I bet. I really

983
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:58,520
feel. Absolutely. We definitely better plug it in. Anybody listening in Australia, let me know. If

984
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:02,280
you have any more details on the case, let me know. I can only find so much over here in America.

985
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:06,520
For sure. I'm sure there's people that live in that community that hear about and talk about her

986
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,880
all the time. It wasn't that long ago when she got arrested. That's so funny. I was talking about

987
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:14,120
Dave's Lemonade too because of the... Yeah, that is funny. Was that last episode or this episode?

988
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:18,120
Last episode. That's so funny. Yeah. That's funny. Maybe it was this episode. I don't know.

989
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:23,960
That's hilarious. Well, yeah. That was my case. It was a giant doozy of a case and thank you. I

990
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:29,320
didn't mean to do that. It was a doozy of a case. A dingo ate my baby. Gotta get it out there.

991
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,520
We lost. We were going to pin it up the whole time. A glue cooler.

992
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:39,480
Oh, I saw this one the other day on TikTok. It was like, if someone from Australia ordered a tuna

993
01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:46,200
sandwich and they didn't like it, he's like, excuse me, this tuna looks peculiar. Your tuna

994
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:50,600
looks peculiar. I can't even do it. Someone sent me a voice memo of you saying that if you're from

995
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:56,520
Australia, because I would love to hear it. Yeah, we always love talking about our out of our country

996
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,120
listeners. I know we have listeners all over the world. Let us know if you're from there. We

997
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:04,520
guys, we really want to hear from you. I know it's like we say it every episode, but we're not

998
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:08,600
getting as much emails as we want. I promise you're not going to bother us. We want to hear from you

999
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:13,080
guys. So please let us know. If again, if you know any more information about this case or if

1000
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:17,560
you're from another country and you want us to do one of your cases, that's totally fine as well.

1001
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:22,200
Happy to do it. Let us know and give us some merch ideas. We're going to be coming out with

1002
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:28,280
more merch items as well pretty soon. So yeah, I definitely want to know this is when you saw

1003
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:33,480
this name pop up, you're like, shit, yeah, like I know her, you know, yeah, exactly. Well, in the

1004
01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:37,560
meantime, we're going to have our collab episode coming out next. I'm pretty sure that's the next

1005
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:42,680
one coming out on Monday. Go follow. Lady you're scaring us on social media. Go give them a listen.

1006
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:48,760
They're really great. I highly recommend their Elliot Roger episode. It's really, really good.

1007
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:53,480
I need to listen to that because you do. I Elliot Roger has been on my list. Yeah,

1008
01:28:53,480 --> 01:28:59,240
for like a hot minute. They absolutely killed it. No pun intended. They did a really great

1009
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:04,200
job on that episode. Yeah, him and I definitely have another one that I really want to research.

1010
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I have two actually in the works right now that I'm excited about. Absolutely. And if any of our

1011
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:13,160
homies are close homies that are listening want to be featured on a DAK live, shoot us a text,

1012
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,840
let us know because if you're in town, it'll be easy for you to guys for you guys to come on

1013
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:21,160
and jump in here with us. Really excited about our next guest because he doesn't live in town.

1014
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:28,520
He doesn't live in town. He's traveling for us. I'll be in his town this weekend. Thankfully,

1015
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I've had these six symptoms since Sunday, so I'm on the tail end of it. In case you have a wedding

1016
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:40,440
this weekend and it's like right a hop skip and a jump away from this guy's town. So exciting. Any

1017
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guesses? Any guesses? Let us know. Okay, we will talk to you guys later. Check us out at

1018
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diagnosingatkiller.com please. We get analytics on there y'all. So I want to see a spike in our,

1019
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:57,080
it literally takes into account what you click on as well. Yeah. So let me know what you guys

1020
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think about the website. Let me know what you guys think about the resource, merch and event tabs.

1021
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Yeah. Click all those little links at the top in those little circles. We have the Instagram link,

1022
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we have the link and link tree I think on there. Yeah, definitely. Patreon, what did I say,

1023
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Instagram, Twitter. We got all that stuff on the website. Absolutely. Just go to the website. It's

1024
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:21,400
a catch-all. Yeah, you can just type it on your phone. I mean, it's super compatible to smartphone.

1025
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I like the way it looks when it comes across on that view. Yeah. And get your tickets to the

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Let us know what you want to see. I want more people to buy shirts. I want to see our faces

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everywhere. I know. Our logo everywhere. Yeah. I would really like to do something at the

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festival like sign up for a Patreon and you get a free shirt or a free cup or a free sticker or

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something like that. So yeah, for sure. Come check us out at the Boothie Booth. Boothie Booth.

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All right, we'll see you guys later. All right. Love you. Bye.

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