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one day. I know. I'm so excited. When you do that, I don't know. I want to go to Australia.
Like really bad. I kind of made it a point to maybe go this year, but it's already almost
halfway through the year. But that was my New Year's resolution. So I'm twine floys.
Next year is 2024 and it is the year of the dragon and it is going to be my fucking year.
I've already made that decision. So next year is going to be my fucking year. Hell yeah.
It's my fucking birthday. So hopefully by this time next year we'll be like mad fame.
So well, I don't know about all that, but I definitely want to be able to travel next
year. Yeah, that's really cool. 2024 is going to be my year and maybe potentially crime
con 2024. Oh gosh. I know this year it's in London, which is a hell of a lot. But maybe
next year we can make it work. We are going to get into this case and it's wild. This
little lady speaking of Australia. This little lady's from down under. Yeah. I follow a content
creator on YouTube. I don't know. I mean, he doesn't really create the content, but
he reads transcriptions from chat logs from to catch a predator. Oh God. So like, yeah,
it's fucking grotesque. Hey baby. Hey baby. It's really creepy, but he's Australian. He
has this beautiful Australian accent and it's so easily digestible to listen to. And he
does this thing where he does kind of like Jim can't swim stuff now, but he used to do
the transcription. Yeah. And it's so funny the way he changes his voice because the predator
will be like, Hey baby. Like with this little accent. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he doesn't even
do the R. It's just yeah. Like, oh, I work construction. What do you do? You know, I
got a school. Didn't you say he did that? I've never taken anyone's Vaginiti before.
Yeah. Oh, wow. Oh, man. Yeah. Those fucking creepers are. I love Dave's lemonade. I wish
he did content more often than he usually does stuff like once a month, but yeah. Him
and dreading. I love dreading. I'm subscribed to his Patreon. I love it. It's like Kim and
his brother, I think that do it, but dreading is also amazing. It's very like Jim can't
swim and inspired type stuff, but I love the host of dreading. I love his voice too. It's
really easy to listen to. I love when he reads people's letters and stuff and he'll just
pause and just go, Jesus fucking Christ. Like if y'all are listening, hit us up. Hit us
up. Hit us up. Yeah. Do what you do. But yeah, before we get started, just want to keep saying
pepper it is pepper it in there. We are doing a collaboration on Monday with Lady or Scare
and us. It's going to be super exciting. I am excited to hear Hillary, Taylor and Morgan's
response to our episode. I know that they said they're looking forward to hearing it
as well. And I'm really excited to hear the case. I purposefully like didn't get myself
integrated into the case details as I want to hear it from them. So if you guys want
to hear a case that goes hand in hand with the mental breakdown, we are going to be doing
that on Monday with the podcast Lady or Scare and us. Yeah, from Florida. They are super
intelligent women and they are charismatic and they are so fun to listen to. So definitely
take a listen to on their podcast because they're just they're really awesome. Yeah,
absolutely. And it's super fun to connect with other content creators, especially that
have like similar interests to us. They work in the behavioral health field as well. Yeah.
So it's really cool to be able to have connected with them and do this collab. And then we
have another DAK live coming up next. We're going to record it next week. I'm not sure
when it will drop, but probably pretty soon afterwards. Probably. Yeah, but you don't
have anything else going on. So yeah, right. Not like sick or anything. I am excited. Yeah,
just to share the closet with people. Yeah, it's going to be weird having someone from
the outside come on in because the only other person that's been in the closet is mom. And
then Clark was in a different location though. Yeah, but still like just this, I don't know.
There's something to be said about being jammed in a closet that's like, you just want to
spill your guts. It's true. You just want to be vulnerable. It's real intimate. It's
real intimate. All right, we're going to get into this episode here. Content warning.
This episode contains depictions of sexual abuse, child abuse, animal cruelty, spousal
abuse, suicide, graphic manipulation of a deceased person and cannibalism. If one or
more of these topics are sensitive subjects for you, please feel free to find another
one of our episodes. Remember your mental health is important to us and we love you.
Love you. Bye. Wow, that was a doozy of a content warning. There's a lot going on
in this episode. Shit. I like, I kept finding myself like typing and then scrolling back
up to the top to like add something else into the content warning. Man. This is going to
be a doozy, a particularly more in depth kind of dive in the graphic nature. It's not going
to be overly graphic because that's not how we do things here. But there are specific
things I just want to warn on top of that content warning. The manner of which the
body is handled after death is very, very raw and very graphic. Just to let everyone
know that's going to be the most kind of grueling part of this. Okay. Yeah. Cause I know we
definitely talked about having some of our more graphic content only for our tier two,
tier three Patreon members. Yeah. So, okay, but I'm really interested. It's not like we
haven't tackled some of these issues before. Oh yeah. No, for sure. Everything we've talked
about in here has been talked about before in a sensitive manner. So we're going to do
it again. Now we're going to be talking about Catherine Knight. Catherine Knight. Catherine
Knight. Have you heard her name before? No, I don't think so. Okay, perfect. Okay.
You're in for a fucking ride. Catherine May Knight was born on October 24th, 1955 in
Tentorfield, New South Wales, Australia. She was one of eight children of Barbara Rohan
who was married to a man by the name of Jack Rohan before Catherine was born. Okay. Barbara
would have four children with Jack and at some point during their marriage, Jack would
introduce Barbara to a friend and co-worker of his by the name of Ken Knight. Get it?
Get it? After marrying and having her first four children with Jack, Barbara and Ken would
start up a secret affair. Oh, it's scandalous. Of course, they were unable to keep this relationship
a secret for long and they got a lot of backlash from their friends and their family about
it. So because of this negative feedback, Barbara and Ken decided to up and move and
ended up in a place called Mori, which is East Australia. And if I'm pronouncing any
of these names wrong, our Australian listeners, please feel free to correct me. I'm not from
there clearly. Upon moving, none of Barbara's four children would go with her. Her two oldest
boys would stay with their father and the two younger boys were actually sent to live
with relatives in Sydney. So I'm not sure why two of them left and two of them stayed.
Not sure. Maybe they had a choice and the older boys wanted to stay with dad. Sure.
And maybe the younger kiddos were so young that maybe she still had the option of going
to visit them when they were young. Maybe, yeah. And I'm sure everyone can tell that
my throat still scratches or just bear with me here. Hello. So the two would eventually
move to Tentor field. Again, this is Barbara and Ken, where the two would also have- Are
you telling me that their names are Barbie and Ken? What the fuck? Totally didn't even
make that connection until right now. You didn't? I did and then I remembered. Yeah.
Barbie and Ken, holy shit. So on top of the four children that Barbara would have with
Jack, she would also have four children with Ken, giving her eight children. Yeah. Of these
four children were Catherine and her twin sister, Joy, whom she was born an hour and
a half after, which is wild. That's a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Because during that
time, I mean, the amniotic sac is already broken. Yeah. So Catherine was after her?
Yes. Wow. Yeah. So and I want to have- I don't know what was going on there. Yeah. That's
a long time. It was the fifties. She was probably smoking while she was having him too. She's
like, here, just give me a shot. She'll come right out. Right. The children, unfortunately,
had a considerably rough childhood growing up. By all accounts, Ken was a raging alcoholic
who would rape Barbara up to 10 times a day. A day? Yes. A day, which is awful. What the
fuck? Yeah. Like awful. As your husband or- Well, yeah, it doesn't matter who it is.
It's disgusting. Gross. This would happen continuously throughout Catherine's younger
years and in 1959, when Catherine was just four years old, Jack Rohan actually would
die and the two eldest boys who had been living with him would also move into the home with
Barbara, Ken, and their four children. So six kids. Now there's six kiddos. Right.
And all of them are being exposed to this abuse. That's so fucked up. The assaults
from Ken would continue over the years, leaving Barbara to be extremely graphic in her discussions
with her children when it came to sex, especially with Catherine. So because it was such an
open abuse in their family, Barbara would just kind of talk about her sexual experiences
because the kids had already seen it all, which is awful. Barbara would often tell her
daughters intimate details of her sex life and how much she hated sex and men. So just,
I mean, of course, they're getting a terrible, you know, example. Yeah. But still hammering
in the fact that like men are men are all men are like this. Yeah. This became such a
topic of discussion. In fact, that later when Catherine was old enough to engage with boys,
she actually complained to her mother that one of her boyfriends at the time had like asked
her to take part in a sex act that she was uncomfortable with. She opened up to her mom
about it. Barbara's response to Catherine's concerns were to quote, put up with it and
stop complaining. Yeah. Just let him abuse you. Let him take advantage of you sexually.
Because I'll mannered that way. That's just you are just gonna have to get over that.
You're gonna have to deal with it. Oh my God. Yeah. Catherine's boyfriend was not the only
cause for concern for her growing up. However, unfortunately, Catherine would later admit
to being sexually assaulted by multiple members of her immediate family growing up with the
exception of her father Ken. So she would accuse her brothers of sexually assaulting her. Yeah.
It is thought that her brothers would frequently engage in sexual abuse at Catherine's expense
until she was around 11 years old. These are the two older boys that are her half siblings.
Okay. Although there are doubts around the details. It is widely believed that this did
occur and it's not far fetched to think that she's telling the truth, of course, especially
since other family members that actually confirmed her claims. Well, and not only that, but her
mom has been so vocal just about sex in general. Like, why would they think it's weird to sexually
abuse even some of their family? Exactly. Not excusing it. Just yeah. Yeah, no, definitely.
Catherine would later also tell sources that her parents would beat her other siblings with
a dog leash and an electric cord. But this was never confirmed. Again, Catherine doesn't
really seem like she it's not far fetched that this is true because of all the other
things going on. Right. Now Catherine's great grandmother was an Indigenous Australian woman
from the Moray area who had married into an Irish family. Barbara was known as being very
proud of this fact. And she would identify herself as an Aboriginal, so a native Australian
woman. This was actually kept a family secret because unfortunately there was considerable
racism in the area at the time of her growing up and even like during Catherine's childhood.
Barbara's descent was also a considerable source of tension for the children and the
family since the children were mixed race as well. And this would become a big topic
of stress in the household, like considerably enough to that they had to the point where
they had to mention it, you know. Yeah. So all in all, this abuse and argumentative environment
continued for many years in the household. And it kind of left Catherine feeling like
her twin sister Joy and her uncle Oscar were the only two people that she was really close
with. So she had a good relationship with her uncle Oscar. Oscar was a champion horseman
and Catherine really looked up to him in terms of an adult male figure that didn't abuse
her. Although her father didn't sexually abuse her in her claims, he was very abusive to
the rest of her family. Right. He was still an abuser. Yeah, exactly. In 1969, Catherine
was absolutely devastated to find out that her happy, outgoing and loving uncle Oscar
had actually taken his own life and she was completely beside herself. Oh my God. The
one person, the one adult figure in your life that like really has your back. Right. The
same year that Oscar had passed, the family would move to Aberdeen. This is about five
hours south from Moray, so southeast Australia. Okay. Catherine would attend high school at
Muswell Brook where classmates would refer to her as a quote loner and a quote bully
who stood over smaller children. So she tend to like pick on children that were smaller.
Well, that's all that she's ever seen is the dominant person and the dominant figure in
the house. You know, there's like a pecking order. Yeah, you pick on someone that can't
defend themselves. Right. She was also as well as this noted as being pleasant as a student
at most times and she actually even earned several awards for good behavior. But when
she did snap, she would fly into a quote murderous rage. This is like faculty saying
maniacal sweat. We're glistening with a maniacal sweat. Catherine was especially interested
in bullying the boys at her school. And at one point she assaulted at least one young
boy with a weapon. Wow. This was very vague. There wasn't really anything that kind of
came from this. Yeah. Again, the rest of the details weren't really laid out online. But
there was another incident that took place when Catherine was once injured by a teacher
who supposedly acted in self defense when targeted by Catherine. Okay. No charges were
filed for either of these events and Catherine was allowed to remain enrolled in the school.
So you think she would go to like an alternative school or something? Yeah, exactly. I don't
know. I'm sure other countries have alternative schools. Do they even have alternative schools?
Do they even have alternative schools? Yes, we know that you guys have alternative schools.
If you don't, let us know because actually I'm not sure. Well, I don't know. Again, this
was what, 60, 70? Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe you're right. No. Well, it's still an early
70. I'm pretty sure they had alternative schools. Either way, this makes sense coming to this
next point. Although she was getting awards when her behavior was good. She was not excelling
academically. She was actually pretty close to being illiterate. She couldn't read, couldn't
write, and she actually took it upon herself to drop out of school altogether when she
was just 15. Aw. I know. It's a big bummer. Do you think that it's, do you think it was
a learning disability of some kind or do you think that it was just not getting help at
home or? I think it might have been like a mixture of both. Yeah. I think it was more
so like neglect in the household. Like they probably didn't give a shit about if she had
homework or if we know whatever. Like they probably didn't care. They have other shit
going on with all the abuse, you know, that he wants to portray on the family. So knowing
that she needed to find a job when she left school, Catherine was able to land a job that
did not require being able to read or write. She actually gained employment as a cutter
in a clothing factory. Oh, okay. She would work at this job for just over a year. And
upon leaving this business, Catherine got what she referred to as her quote, dream job.
Growing up Ophel at the local abattoir. What are those words? What are those words? I
want to. What the fuck was that noise? It was so sharp. I'm so sorry if anyone's wearing
headphones. Jesus Christ. I'm so sorry. So cutting up Ophel, I had to look up what both
those words meant. Essentially she was working at a slaughterhouse, which is the abattoir.
She was cutting the non usable pieces of meat from the animal and exposing like the
cuts that they would sell. So she was just a butcher. It's not an awful. It's an Ophel.
It might O F F A L. Ophel. Yeah. Whatever. Whatever it's called. That's what she was
doing. She was a slaughterhouse. I didn't mean to shout. It was really loud. She was really
excited to translate that to me. She was really excited. She's like, Oh my God, you
don't know what I mean. I didn't either. I'm not like cool. So Catherine's father was actually
also working at a slaughterhouse. Not sure if it was this one or not, but it's assumed
that she got the idea that she wanted to work there at like a young age because he worked
there. So that was her dream job, is what you said. Although yeah, I can't imagine why
she would want to follow in his footsteps. But maybe it's like the only job that she
knew about because her father did it. Maybe she already had maniacal sweat thoughts and
that's a, she just wanted to get her hands a little dirty. Yeah, that's a good, good
guess. Catherine would excel at this job and even quickly became promoted to boning,
which is removing the bone, like deboning the meat pretty much. Yeah. Well boning.
It's a bone. It's a pus. It's a pus. Due to her new position, Catherine was given
her own set of butcher's knives, which she absolutely adored. So much so that she would
actually hang them over her bed while she slept at night. What? Like what if they fall,
girl? Like you're gonna get sliced. She was pooping. She said that she did this so that
they quote, would always be handy if I needed them. Like what? Like you just need a set
of butcher's knives. Okay. I guess like some people sleep with like a gun under their pillow,
which is dumb. I mean, yeah, that's so dumb. Under your pillow? No. No, I put one in my
nightstand, but Casey, all going to Casey's house and I'll have like a shotgun on the
bed. I'm like, did you sleep with this next to you? It was like, oh yeah. Jeez. No. There's
a safety on it. It's still, so. I don't know. Yeah. Sometimes I text in my sleep, so I don't
know. Who knows? Two years into working at the slaughterhouse in 1973, 18 year old Catherine
gained a coworker by the name of David Stanford Kellett. Catherine immediately took a liking
to David because instead of being the shy timid boy that she had been used to being
around in school, David was a heavy drinker and a fighter. Oh, okay. So in Catherine's
eyes, he was the perfect bad boy that she was attracted to. Oh man. Yeah. Well, Catherine
did not know, however, was that David was not just an alcoholic and a fighter by trade
or to seem cool, but in reality, he had been through two very traumatic events that caused
his drinking to go overboard in an attempt to escape reality. It's like really sad. David's
previous job included working on the railroads in Coffs Harbor. While on the job, David's
best friend had been killed in front of him in a shunting accident. What's a shunting?
So I looked it up as well. This is an umbrella term for anything having to do with like attaching
and detaching railway cars. Oh, so he essentially got like run over. Oh, that's awesome. The
other incident that severely scarred David was a different time when he found himself
in a tragic situation. A school bus had been struck by a train and it had actually killed
six children. So David and his crew were working to get the injured but still alive occupants
out of the bus. But knowing that six children had died during the incident really stuck
with David and it caused him to drink a lot. That reminds me of that episode we did on
the things that are no longer diagnosable. It was the male hysteria that was also considered
to be called it train. What did they call it? They called it railway PTSD or something.
And it was just because the masses hadn't really seen traumatic accidents like that.
I mean this is before automobile accidents. So it was in the event that you would see
this a railway accident. Somebody getting hit by a train or trains derailing or whatever.
It's awful. People getting run over or hit and they diagnosed you with railway syndrome
or whatever. Which we know now as PTSD. But that's really interesting that he had two
experiences like that. Yeah definitely. The two situations of course the stress just became
too much. And he was actually let go of the job due to poor behavior and poor performance
because he was just so propped up about it. Fortunately nowadays we're seeing a lot more
jobs that are offering mental health services or mental health time off and stuff like that.
But of course that wasn't the case back then especially in jobs like this. They needed
these guys all the time. Definitely can wear down your mental health. So after losing the
job at the railroad this is when David would actually get the job at the Aberdeen Abattoir
and became close friends with Catherine's older brother. Catherine and David quickly
became friends as well. And Catherine would prove herself loyal to David by frequently
stepping into fights of his. Defending him by punching whoever was messing with him
at the time. Oh my god literally just witness something
like that the other night at the bar where this chick was like in between these two dudes
that are trying to fight. I'm just shaking my head because like that's low key like me
as fuck. Like I'll be the one that steps in front of a guy and I'm like you're not gonna
fucking hit me until I get like fucking knocked out. It hasn't happened yet but Jesus Christ.
No I feel like if two dudes are starting some shit the seriously the worst thing you can
do is put yourself in the middle of it. Yeah I didn't learn my lesson just yet but I think
I won't do that anymore. Although I'm probably not like gonna be around like two dudes fighting
because we're all adults now. Yeah well you know. You know. I always feel like if you're
old enough and like big enough to feel like you can just pop off at the mouth at some
fucking dude then maybe you do deserve to get your ass kicked. I'm not gonna defend you.
That's true. So at first David was surprised and maybe even impressed by Catherine's willingness
to stand up for him but when it became known around town that Catherine would physically
fight anyone that looked at her wrong David began to dislike the idea of her. He was like
you know what maybe she's like a drama star. My man's not looking at you. I mean he's kind
of looking at you. He's looking at you. He's looking at you. Yeah exactly. Like she was
trying to start shit? Well not necessarily but like if anyone like trying to talk to
David or like came up to him she would like buck it like immediately just like like balls
to the wall immediately instead of like compromise. Would she like just overprotective of him?
I think so. Territorial rather not overprotective. Yeah I think so. Territorial. So unfortunately
for David Catherine had now an extreme liking for him that only grew and she would quickly
become domineering in their relationship. Less than a year later in 1974 Catherine would
convince or force David to marry her to which he agreed. What? Or was forced. I don't know
if he agreed or not. She's like you want to get married and he's like no it's okay.
She's like yeah that's fine. Oh yeah yeah yeah we're getting married so yeah kind of
like that. So the two would quickly make wedding plans or maybe just Catherine and would arrive
to the ceremony together via motorcycle. David being noticeably heavily intoxicated on the
back of it. So she was driving the motorcycle? And he was wasted. She's like I'm driving
you know she probably like fed him alcohol. I was like I'm gonna get him drunk so like
he just marries me. Go to the wedding. I was gonna ask if he was riding bitch but yeah
okay that makes sense. He's like that little skinny dude always like yes dear. Yeah he's
like in the sidecar. Yeah that's asleep. Fast out with sunglasses on. He's fine. He's
fine. She's like does his mouth like I do. I bear my mouth. I was thinking. So almost
as soon as they arrived at the ceremony Barbara would pull David aside and offer some advice
about her Catherine. What David related about this conversation is as follows. Quote. The
old girl said to me to watch out. You better watch this one or she'll fucking kill you.
Stir her up the wrong way or do the wrong thing and you're fucked. Don't ever think
of playing up on her. She'll fucking kill you. David continued. Quote. And that was
her mother talking. She's told me she's got something loose. She's got a loose screw
somewhere. And quote. Her own fucking mother. Her mother's like you are not fucked up or
dead but also like you can't leave or you're dead. What's the answer? It's not funny.
You pack a bag and you move to Costa Rica. Yeah. Jesus. Even with Barbara's warning about
her daughter David and Catherine would continue to go through with the ceremony. That night
the two would find themselves consummating the marriage. Not once, not twice, but three
times. Is that according to her though because apparently he had whiskey dick. Like come on
now. He was that fucking wasted. When preparing to have sex for a fourth time. What? Catherine
noticed that David had passed out perhaps from the amount of alcohol he drank or I
don't know maybe he was fucking tired. Having sex three times in a row. I'm tired. I'm
tired. She's. Catherine responded to David being asleep like any of us would and tried
to strangle him awake. It's not funny. It's not funny. That's awful. Just because it's
a man and a woman. It's not funny. It's not funny. It's not funny. She literally started
strangling him stating later that the reason that she did that is because it was ridiculous
that he fell asleep. I mean I've been there where I've been like are you fucking asleep
motherfucker? You know, but strangling someone. Not going to strangle someone. Why would you
strangle someone? Like I didn't mean to laugh. It's not funny, but like that's like ridiculous.
Thankfully being strangled quickly woke David up and he was able to fight Catherine off.
Although Catherine tried to seriously injure or kill David almost immediately after they
got married. Yeah, black widow. Their marriage would last a grueling 10 years. 10 years?
I gave it like two. Catherine continuously abusing him the entire time. That's fucked
up. Which is really sad. And it's really more fucked up and I'm glad that you mentioned
that. It's because a lot of people probably turned a blind eye because she was a woman
abusing her male partner. Yeah, of course. Awful. Within the first year of their marriage,
Catherine would become pregnant with their first child. During the entire pregnancy,
Catherine was noted as being extremely verbally and physically abusive to David, but she would
always just chalk it up to the hormones. Just hormonal. Let me beat the shit out of you.
I'm hormonal and pregnant. Yeah, like just using it. This chick is a peach. Oh yeah. On
one particular occasion, a very pregnant Catherine would burn all of David's clothing in a fit
of rage before hitting him across the back of the head with a frying pan. What the fuck?
Fracturing his skull in the process. Oh my god, this poor guy. I know. David had been
at a darts tournament earlier in the day and he said that he would arrive home at a specific
time or around a certain time. However, when he reached the finals and the tournament, he
got further into the competition than he originally thought he would and it caused him to be home
later than he expected. Right. So Catherine's response to this was to lash out, ultimately
causing David to flee to a neighbor's house after he got hit with a frying pan. Oh my
god. She was mad that he came home late, essentially. That mad. You know, I think about like his
perspective and stuff and you know, I recently had a friend that went through a breakup and
decided to get sober and during the course of this relationship and when they split,
it was almost as if she was like, it just made sense. Like I feel like if I continued
to drink, I would continue to numb the issues that I had in that relationship. Yeah. And
when she got sober, she gained kind of this clarity and was like, okay, like I'm wondering
if that's not what David's going through. Since he's already numbing himself through
the use of alcohol because of his past trauma, is he also just like, well, I was also drunk
and I also came home and made it reasonable in his head, you know, because he's numbing
everything else. He might as well continue to numb the current situation too. Well, yeah,
and it also explains why they stayed together for so long and also at this point, he's probably
fucking terrified of her. If he tries to leave, what is she going to do? Right. It's easier
to be with her and deal with the abuse than it would be to leave her because she would
never leave him alone. Yeah, exactly. So after this incident, police went to charge Catherine
for her assault. But when they went to speak with her, she of course put on her best behavior
and charmed the officers. Behind closed doors, however, she was berating David and threatening
him into dropping the charges against her. So yeah, he feels like he doesn't have a fucking
choice. Yeah, and of course, you know, again, like we mentioned earlier, although we giggled,
we giggled out of the scenario, but it's still very serious, very serious thing that, you
know, some men don't get taken seriously with stuff like this, you know, because there's
no way I mean, and we've all watched Amber Heard and Johnny Depp, you know, kind of shit.
And it's like, I mean, if the proof wasn't there, then wouldn't anybody really believe
it? Because it went on for so long, and nothing seemed to have been done about it. It wasn't
until the defamation trial where all this evidence came out, you know, like, shit, like there
was something going on there. And then the longer it goes, unfortunately, you're going
to have those people that are like, well, why didn't you say something sooner or whatever?
You know, it's just, it's really, really a hard situation. For sure. Yeah. So Catherine
would not be charged for this crime. David would drop the charges. Catherine and David
would welcome their first child, Melissa Ann Kellett, into the world in early 1976. Shortly
after Catherine gave birth in May of 1976, David would actually pick up and move his
things and himself in to Queensland and actually started dating another woman. Oh, wow. So
he's like, I'm fucking done with you. Already done. Yeah. The following day, Catherine was
seen pushing her newborn baby in a stroller down the main street. She was violently throwing
the stroller from side to side as they went. And neighbors, of course, took notice. Somehow
Catherine was found and taken to St. Elmo's Hospital in Tamworth. And there she would
be diagnosed with postnatal depression. Okay. Now I wanted to make a note here because I
had to look it up. While a lot of people use postpartum and postnatal depression interchangeably,
they're actually two different diagnoses. So postpartum refers to issues pertaining
to the mother and postnatal refers to issues concerning the baby. Okay. So postpartum would
be if they were trying to harm themselves. Of course, postnatals with the baby. Catherine
would spend several weeks recovering with David being gone and in Queensland the whole time.
Although doctors prescribed Catherine with postnatal depression, there was no ongoing
treatment that she would be receiving for the following weeks. She was just like there.
She's being watched and monitored. Yeah, like we're going to hold on to your baby. Yeah,
essentially. So after a couple of weeks went by, Catherine still had not heard from David
and she began lashing out yet again. This time by placing a two month old Melissa on
a railroad track shortly before the train was due. What happened to the baby? So after
placing Melissa on the tracks, Catherine actually left her there and she left. She just left.
And she went to steal an axe using it to threaten like several people in town like she was going
to kill them. She was wielding an axe like threatened to kill people. She walked the
baby to the railroad tracks, left the baby, then found an axe and then went back into
town-ish or something. Yeah, it seems like it was at a railway station. You know what
you mean? Kind of like a subway station. Was she threatening people with the axe because
they were trying to help the baby? No, it was random people. Okay, just so they had no idea
there was a baby. No idea there was a baby. Fuck. During this axe rampage, Catherine was
not at all worried about Melissa who remained on the tracks. Fortunately, a man known around
the same area by the name of Old Ted was actually foraging near the railway line when he spotted
the infant on the tracks and was able to rescue her from certain death just minutes before
the train arrived. Oh my gosh, Old Ted. Old Ted. Good job, Ted. Good old Ted. Good old
Ted. Ted from the west. Ted from the east, I guess. Teddy, Teddy. Another fortunate event
was that Catherine did not injure anybody with her axe threats and she was ultimately
arrested shortly after Melissa was found. So she didn't receive any treatment in the hospital.
Now she's being arrested. You think she's gonna get any treatment in there? So we'll
see. So once again, Catherine was taken to St. Elmo Hospital to be evaluated, but she
was able to leave on her own accord the following day when she had, quote, recovered from her
mental breakdown. She was like, I'm recovered. She signed herself out of the hospital. How
can you, they let her leave? That's, how can you have someone be like forcefully come in
for evaluation or whatever? Need a hospital stay, a psychiatric stay, and then they can
sign themselves out? That's ridiculous. Ridiculous. But again, laws are different. We have a 72
hour hold here and they might not, you know, are not at this time maybe. Yeah. So a few
days after signing herself out of the hospital, Catherine had held one of her neighbors at
like Knife Point demanding that she drive her to Queensland so that she could find David.
She's like, drive me to Queen, I guess her neighbor was like in the car like leaving.
She's like, drive me to Queensland. I need to go find David. Where's the baby, the protective
custody? She didn't really say what happened to Melissa at this point. I think she might
still be with Catherine. Well, she's in protective custody. She's not with her like right at
this point, but she's, I don't know where she is. It doesn't really say. Like I said,
I hope that she's in protective custody or with a relative or something. Yeah. Yeah.
Really with a relative, honestly. So the woman neighbor refused to drive her at first and
in response, Catherine actually like lunged forward and cut her in the face with the knife.
So the woman not wanting to anger Catherine further agreed to drive her anywhere in order
to remain unharmed. Yeah. Catherine then got into the car with the woman and her young
son and the three began driving. Oh, hell no. Why all horses can drive me away? Hell
no. No, I'd be snatching my baby up and running. Shortly into the car ride, the car would
stop at a service station for an at the time unknown reason where the woman was able to
escape and phone police. However, this escape was brief and by the time police arrived,
Catherine had somehow managed to subdue the young boy and she was actually holding him
hostage. What? Yeah. So I guess the woman maybe escaped and Catherine grabbed the child
and the woman was like, I'm not running away from my child. Hell no. I'd fucking kill
someone. Somehow police decided to use brooms to disarm Catherine. Maybe like hit her with
a stick. Maybe I don't know. But at this point, they disarmed her, they arrested her and they
admitted her against her will to the Morissette psychiatric hospital. Okay. She was clearly
going through some sort of psychosis. Fucking whack the back of her fucking head with a fucking
broom. While at the hospital, Catherine opened up to nurses and told them that she had intended
to kill the mechanic at the service station because he was the one who had repaired David's
car giving way for him to flee to Queensland. She was like, it's your fault he's gone because
you fixed his car. That's a stretch. That's a stretch. Did you take a stretch before you
took that leap? That's a stretch. Yeah. She then said that after she killed the mechanic,
her plan was to track down David and his mother in Queensland and kill them both. Like what?
When police informed David about this incident and confession, he left his girlfriend and
him and his mother would return back to Aberdeen to support Catherine during this hard time.
You've got to be fucking kidding me. No. I said, after this, he filed a restraining order.
After this, he moved even further away. After this, he- I want to give David the benefit
of the doubt and assume that the only reason he returned is for the safety of his child.
And his mother. And his mother. Like I don't, I don't see him coming back to help Catherine.
Yeah. Or maybe he felt guilty and he thought that he caused this whole thing to happen,
this psychotic break. Yeah. And he felt like he had to come back and stay with him. I'm
hoping it's not clearly she loves me. Yeah. She's willing to kill the fucking mechanic
that fixed my car. And then she was going to kill me, but she loved me. So after several
weeks of being at this psychiatric unit, Catherine would be released on August 9th, 1976 into
the care of David and his mother. And the three, along with Melissa, would move to Woodridge,
a suburb of Brisbane. Okay. So now they're all four in the same house. I mean, I guess
it also makes sense because you just want to keep a fucking eye on her, like you said.
Yeah. I mean, at least there's no surprises. Yeah, it's true. In Brisbane, Catherine would
obtain a job at the Denmore Meetworks in nearby Ipswich. More meat. Yeah. Catherine would
maintain this job and her relationship with David for another few years. So they got back
together. And the two would welcome a second child on March 6th, 1980, Natasha Marie Kellett.
I just feel like if she had postnatal depression, and I'm not saying that you can't work through
that and then you, you know, you and a doctor can't look ahead to it. Yeah. Not that you
can't have any more children, but also like she's not receiving any help. Of course not.
And they choose to have another child. And I doubt they approach a doctor and say, we
want to have another child together because we're so very happy together that we want
to bring another child in this world. But these are my concerns. These are my concerns.
You know what you can do with a doctor, you know, you can absolutely talk to a doctor about
your postnatal or your postpartum depression and still have children and be successful
with that. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. But she's clearly not receiving the
help that she needs. Yeah, absolutely. And that's terrifying. The relationship would
of course continue to be tumultuous. But still the two remained married and living together
for many years after this. So four years later in 1984, Katherine would just grow tired of
David and her simple little life. And she decided to leave him. What? She decided to
leave him. She's like, this isn't good enough for me anymore. Yeah. It's not, it's not
enticing enough. Yeah. If you constantly ran away from me and there was constant drama,
I would love that in a relationship. Yeah. But you're boring. You're boring. You're
boring, David. And you're nice. You're full on commitment to this marriage and your children
is just too boring. And I stopped fighting and I can't deal with it. I can't deal with
it. So she actually first moved back in with her parents and Aberdeen, but then shortly
after moved to a rented house near Musclebrook. On her own once again, Katherine would return
to work at the Abattoir, the original slaughterhouse that she worked at as a teen. A year in
to working back at her old stomping grounds, Katherine would suffer a serious back injury,
causing her to become unable to work and forced to go into like a workers comp kind of situation.
She would apply for disability and rent accommodation and she would receive a housing commission
for a house in Aberdeen. So she moved back to Aberdeen. Do you think that she was prescribed
medication and stuff too that was maybe controlled? I'm not sure actually. I didn't say that,
I didn't say that that had really anything to do with anything. Okay. But I'm sure there's
always some sort of pain meds. In 1986, Katherine would meet 38 year old minor David Saunders.
M-I-N-E-R? Yes. 38 year old, 18 year old. 13 year old, 28 year old. Yeah. So she's 31
at this point. He's 38. Not that that matters, but just to give you a timeline. Sure. The
two would quickly move in together. The exact reaction I wanted. I literally put dots after
quickly moving together. That was great. That's a good one. I like that. Two would quickly
move in together. David would move in with Katherine and her two daughters who she somehow
has custody of. What? Yes. So she has custody of Melissa and Natasha. Two daughters. So
when she left she took the kids. Yes. What? Although David would move in with the girls
in Aberdeen, he would also keep his own apartment in Skone. Skone? Skone maybe. Skone. Skone.
He lives in a Skone. Yeah. I just like the way British people say Skone. Oh, Skone. Not
long after David moving in, Katherine would pick back up on her jealous tendencies and
she would frequently throw David out after picking fights with him about what he was
doing when she wasn't around. I'm sorry. When he wasn't around. David? I'm sorry. It's
another David. So the first woman was David. Now she's dating a new guy named David. I
hear that. Okay. So 38 year old, minor David. Yes. Okay. So minor David. Yes. Okay. And
this is gonna come back around later, which is weird. Okay. So she would frequently pick
fights with him and she would get mad at him because she didn't know what he was doing
when he wasn't at the house. Okay. Because he had his own apartment, right? So she's
like, what the fuck are you doing when you're not over here? So David quickly became tired
of this behavior and he would move his stuff back into his apartment. Fuck it. I'm just
gonna go to his apartment. Fuck yeah. Katherine would ultimately follow David to his apartment
and beg for him to come back and be with her. Minor David. You just threw him out. This
is current David. The other David is not in the picture anymore. Completely gone. The
dad of the kids. Right. This is new David. This is minor David. Yes. David would reluctantly
agree to move back into the home with Katherine and her daughters. The two would remain together
for another year until one of their fights became more than just a screaming match. In
May of 1987, Katherine was on one of her usual rampages threatening David about what would
happen if he ever cheated on her. Katherine did the unthinkable. Wait, she started an argument
about what it would be like if he cheated on her? Yes. That is some, that's some shit,
man. Katherine grabbed David's new two month old dingo puppy and slit the dog's throat,
killing it instantly. Her reason for doing this was to show David what would happen to
him if he ever cheated on her. She killed his dog? A puppy? A puppy. And he didn't even
fucking do anything. She started an argument from literally nothing. From her own insecurities.
Oh yeah. And killed his dog. Oh. Like it makes my stomach hurt. That poor baby. She then
hit David in the head with a frying pan. Oh, that's her go to. In fact, that she had committed
on her previous husband, David, knocking him unconscious. She's like Rapunzel. That's
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Despite this incredibly violent encounter, David would continue to stay and live with
Catherine. This is a theme now. She's like, is he also a heavy drinker? I'm not sure.
So again, just to be clear for everyone, this second, this is her second boyfriend named
David. David's. This is minor David. Yes. The following year in June of 1988, Catherine
and David would welcome their first child, Sarah Saunders. But she already has her two
daughters with her, right? Yes. So now they have three girls. Okay. Yeah. The birth of
their first child prompted David to put a deposit on a bigger house for the five of them, which
Catherine would eventually pay off with her workers' comp. Once moved into the home, it
was time to decorate. Catherine filled the walls with animal skulls and horns and layered
the floors with animal skins and like rusty animal traps. Could you imagine? Bear traps,
mouse traps. Could you imagine the smell in that place? Oh, it's probably not even like
tracks or meat. It's probably just like none. It's just stuff she finds at work. Yeah. Also
around the home were dozens of leather jackets, old boots, machetes, rakes and pitchforks.
Children of the corn. Yeah, it's like very odd. The home was noted as having like no
space left uncovered with like various items like she filled the fucking house with shit.
I don't, yeah, no. I think wall decor is something where like I don't, like in one
of my last apartments, I think I maybe had like, I had a painting that my son did for
me from Mother's Day. I think I had, I have this one, it's not even hanging up now. That's
how much like I don't care about wall decor. Same. Yeah. That I wanted a silent auction
for transient individuals. And then, that's pretty much it. Yeah, wall decor is not my
forte. I don't like a lot of, well, by my computer space, I do have a lot of stuff,
but it's usually drawings from my son or my niece. Yeah. Things like that, because it's
just a very busy area in general. But in my room, I have like a tapestry. I have a dream
catcher and I have a glass silver dollar wind chime that Justin bought me for my birthday
before I had my son. That's pretty much it. Oh, and some dried roses. Oh, there you go.
Yeah, I'm never, mine are just so random. I have like a calendar. I have like two collage
picture things, two caricatures of me and Casey, and then those like live laugh love bullshit
things for camera. Live laugh love. No, it's just like dance as if no one's watching and
sing as if no one can hear. Right, but they were cameras. Yeah. And there's a third one
that has since gone missing or broke or something. That was at her apartment, I think her daughter
was like one or two. Yeah. She was a little little. All right, back to the story. So while
living in the home together this beautifully decorated home, Catherine and David got into
another dangerous argument. This time, Catherine would hit David in the face with an iron,
and then proceed to stab him in the stomach with a pair of scissors. Holy shit. Like,
ow. Like, ow, yeah. Yeah. What the fuck? After being stabbed, David would leave the home
in a hurry, leaving his belongings, including his daughter, Sarah behind. David would ultimately
survive the attack, and he would return to his home in scone, but would return shortly
in order to check on Sarah. I guess he was afraid that Catherine would harm her. Harm
her? Yeah. I mean, he should take the children. Yes. When he arrived back at home, he found
all of his clothing cut up into pieces, a rampage that Catherine had seemingly gone on
when he left the first time. Yeah. After checking on his daughter's well being, David would
take a long service leave from work and go into hiding from Catherine. He's like, fuck
this. But what about the kids though? Why isn't anybody doing anything? I know, it's
terrible. How many times has the cops been called? I think not. At all. Because it doesn't
seem like any of the cops have been called. I don't want to, again, I don't want to make
excuses, but it kind of seems like, I mean, he went back to check on the kids, he probably
thought like, okay, she's not going to harm the kids because if she was going to, she
would have already. Yeah. I'm going to go. Yeah. You know. And who knows what she would
have done had he tried to take one of her daughters. Right. And it's his daughters too, but still,
you know. Yeah. So after David went into hiding, Catherine, repeating her past, would run around
town asking anyone if they knew where he went, but no one would admit to knowing where he
was. Good. Yeah. Because they learned their fucking lesson the first time. First, first
David. Several months went by and David would finally return again to check on Sarah. When
he arrived, he found out a baffling detail about Catherine's current life. While he
was in hiding, Catherine had taken it upon herself to go to the police station and file
a report against David, stating that she was afraid of him. She tried to get over a strain
order. The police had no choice but to believe her since David wasn't there to defend himself.
Oh, that's bullshit. And they issued her with an apprehended violence order against him.
I watched it recently. I don't know if you've heard about this Vanderpump rules scandal,
because everybody's talking about the Vanderpump rules scandal right now, the scandal. And
the one thing that really pissed me off and it was after listening to Sheena's shenanigans
podcast. And I think Lalo was on there and I think Kristen was on there. And not that
anybody knows what I'm talking about, but some people. Oh, some people definitely know
what I'm talking about. I don't. But some people. And I listened to it was the day.
I had to have been the I'm such a date person. It was the 19th of March. And that's when
they were filming where they were supposed to be filming the reunion. But there was still
charges pending. So apparently, Rachel, Raquel claimed that Sheena had hit her and how did
she have like a cut on her eye or something in a black eye? Anyway, she files this restraining
order against this co star. And the charges were still pending by the time they were doing
the reunion. Anyways, Sheena and her husband Brock go to this morning meeting, you know,
it's like at seven or eight o'clock, they have to drive like an hour and a half to get
to the courthouse, they had to have somebody watch their daughter, all this stuff, get
out of the car, TMZ is there, like all of these paparazzi like da da da da. She goes
in and there was a her lawyer had spoken to Rachel's lawyer and Rachel apparently wasn't
going to show like she's like, I'm just going to dismiss it. I'm not even going to show.
Well, Sheena's lawyer was like, fuck that, you're still going because if you don't show
up and she does decide to show up, you can't defend yourself. Right? So Sheena and Brock
show up. They dismissed the case. Rachel didn't show up. But Sheena was like, she's like,
not only is it a fucking waste of time, there are very real people that need access to this,
very real people that are in real danger. And I took someone's spot that day that needed
it. Of course. And that in that 24 hours, this person's case was pushed onto tomorrow.
But they're defending their lives against someone, their children's lives against someone.
What a fucking waste of time. And I have disrespectful and I've heard that a few times about people
doing like, you know, protection orders and things like that that don't need them. And
so again, in this case, this home world over here, wasting people's time. Yeah, it's ridiculous.
So I said it was called an apprehended violence order or an AVO, again, very similar to a
restraining order. But in some cases, on top of being like a certain radius away from the
holder, an AVO can also contain behaviors that the perpetrator can't engage in. So like
calling harassing trying to contact the victim, like it's more than just stay away from me
away. Yeah. So just to be clear. So due to this AVO, David was forced to leave the girls'
lives for good. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I know. That's awful. Catherine would continue to live alone
with the three girls for another few years. And in 1990, she would reconnect with an old
co-worker from the slaughterhouse. 43 year old, John Chillingworth. Okay, not a David.
Okay. Not a David. The two would quickly have a child. She's throwing curveballs. They would
welcome their boy, Eric Chillingworth, in the March of, in the March of 1990. And the two
would continue to date for three more years. What happens? So she has her daughters, she
has all three of the daughters and now they have a son boy. Okay. No incidents and violence
were reported in their relationship, but it's hard to say that nothing happened during those
three years because of course, Catherine has a track record, right? Three years into their
relationship, Catherine would leave John for another man that she was in an ongoing affair
with. Another John. No. John Price. So she's got a David, a David, a John and a John. Yes.
Oh my gosh. She does not have to remember names. I know. She can shout out whatever she wants.
So this is her fourth relationship. Second, John. John Pricey Price was born on April
4, 1955, as the oldest of six children. His nickname was Pricey. Oh, I see. Okay. I was
like his middle name was Pricey and his last name was Price. I'm inventive. John attended school until
the age of 14. And when he dropped out, he could barely read or write. Similarly to Catherine's
upbringing and education. Yeah. Although he had minimum education, John was known to be a very
hard worker and he had a job in heavy machinery, trucking and mining. Another minor John. Another
minor John. Another minor David and minor John. John was married prior to meeting Catherine and he
had a son and two daughters with his previous wife, Colleen. After 15 years of marriage, the two would
split up but would continue to maintain a good relationship. John and Catherine met at a local
pub at the end of the 80s and would start their affair. Okay. Similarly to her other previous
relationships, this one would be very volatile and Catherine would frequently express paranoia
about John cheating on her. Even though she was cheating on John with John. Yes. Well, okay.
I find that really interesting that she's so insecure about cheating when it's not necessarily
it was modeled, like it wasn't necessarily modeled when she was growing up. It's true. I mean, I don't
know. Clearly, like her parents had a very tumultuous relationship but yeah. She's so gung-ho about
don't cheat on me. Yeah. I don't know where the insecurity comes from, right? Due to these accusations,
the two would split up and reconcile many times throughout their affair before it was public.
Yeah. Do you think it's more of a maintain- I take back what I said. It's probably about control
just in general. That's true. Yeah. I mean, she wants to be with someone all the time and she just
wants someone to leave her. She doesn't want- Until it's her choice. Yeah, exactly. Until it's her
choice to leave the relationship and she doesn't want her significant other influenced by anybody,
especially another woman. Well, that's a narcissistic tendency as well. Yeah. John was known as a quote
terrific bloke. Aw. I love that. Who was liked by everyone that knew him and he was also well aware
of Catherine's violent past before they began their relationship. So it's kind of odd to people
that he would go into a relationship with her. Yeah. But some, I mean, I definitely know some
people that date and they're significant and they're totally makes sense to me. I'm like, oh, yeah,
you can handle her. Absolutely. Yeah. Or it's like I can fix them or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Or it's,
you know, oh, they really balance each other out because they know what they're getting into.
Yeah. After Catherine ended her relationship with John Chillingworth for good,
her and John Price would make their relationship public. Okay. While his two-year-old daughter
stayed with her mother, John would bring his two other children to live with them. Okay.
Catherine and her children would move in with John in 1995. And she's got four now.
This was her four children and his two children. But honestly, the kids kind of get like pushed
around in this whole story. Yeah. I know. They still focus too much on how many kids are in the
house. We need to do a case on those kids. I know. Where are they? Are they safe?
His children were noted as really liking Catherine. John was making more than enough
money to support the family. And besides the occasional violent argument, the household
kind of seemed cohesive. Like everyone was kind of getting along. So he probably knew how to
read her pretty well. Yeah. According to John, at first, quote, life was a bunch of roses.
That's really sad. About five years into their relationship in 1998, Catherine and John got
into a blowout fight about John's refusal to marry Catherine. So she had said, like,
we should get married. And he was like, I don't think that's a great idea. And she freaked out.
Yeah. Which is like, why not? Are you cheating on me? Are you having an affair?
Exactly. And you know who accuses people of cheating multiple times?
Our cheaters. Yeah. In response to this, Catherine wanted to get revenge.
She knew that John had taken numerous things from his job over the years. And although the items were
mostly expired medical kits that he had taken from the dump, Catherine knew that he was most
likely not allowed to have taken them. She began videotaping all of the items inside the home.
And she would send the videos to John's boss to get back at him for refusing her proposal to
marry her. But that's just all it, but you're, you have kids to feed. You have to feed yourself.
And she's making the money. Well, I, yeah, but still like, you know, no, he's clearly the breadwinners.
But yeah, like, come on, you're only fucking over literally everyone else. Yeah. I thought you're
going to say she called the cops or something. No. After his boss discovered the videos, John was
fired from his job after 17 years. 17 years? That's fucking heartbreaking. I know. Like,
this poor fucking guy. All because she just fucking pointed it out. Clearly nobody was missing this
shit, right? No one fucking cared. No one cared. But the fact that she made a stink about it,
then all of a sudden they had to do something about it. The same day he was fired, John went home
and proceeded to kick Catherine and her children out of his house. He's like, you know what, get
the fuck out. Get the fuck out of here. I'd be pissed. Catherine would return home and the small
town quickly heard the news of what she had done to get her now ex-boyfriend fired. God. A few months
went by and the two would ultimately reconnect and begin dating again. This time, however, John
would not allow Catherine to move back in with him and the two would remain in their separate homes.
But she can't be okay with that either, though. Like, she's probably like, definitely one of
those people that's like, well, if I just like start dating him again, then eventually we're
gonna move in together and eventually we're gonna get married. Yeah, and I'll just leave a little
bit of things every time I go so that I can just like slowly move in. Yeah, she like whittles her
way in there. Yeah. It's no surprise that during this time, the two would continue fighting ruthlessly
and it got to the point that John was beginning to lose friends because they didn't want to be
around him if Catherine was in his life. That's so rough, I know. In February of the year 2000,
there were a series of assaults on John at the hands of Catherine. In one instance, Catherine
was noted as stabbing John in the chest, an attack that he would survive. John was completely fed up
at this point and he banned Catherine from going to his home at all. How has this chick not been
fucking charged with something? She stabbed people, she's hit people to the point of
unconsciousness. Yeah. She's like abandoning children left and right. Yeah. She's probably,
you know, at least child neglect, you know, putting, what is it, child endangerment, probably.
It just kind of seems like she has this twisted hold on people that they're too afraid to call
the cops. Well, and again, we talked about the fact that she is a female and they are males. Yeah.
And it's like the amount of pressure they might feel to be like, well, I can't, you know,
do anything about this because then I just look like a weak person. Yeah.
Yeah. And I just, that's just incredible to me. And not only that, it's completely compounded
by the fact that she has had absolutely no accountability, well, no help, of course, but
she has not had a consequence yet. Ever. At all. At all. And when her mom said, deal with it,
that's what you're gonna have to do, she said absolutely not. And she did the complete opposite.
And she's like, I'm gonna make the decisions. I'm gonna make the decisions. Yeah, I'm not gonna
just be this, you know, perceived weak person. So she has always, she's just always had her dukes
up like her whole life. Exactly. On February 29, 2000, John stopped by the Scones Magistrate Court
on his way to work and took out a restraining order on Catherine. Good. And an attempt to keep
not only himself, but his children safe. Good. That afternoon, John was noted as telling co-workers
about the restraining order. And he also told them that if he did not return to work the following
day, it would be because Catherine had killed him. Tell me he goes to work the next day.
So he pretty much was saying once she finds out about this restraining order, like she's gonna
flip out. Yeah. John's co-workers urged him not to return home, but he insisted that he needed
to go back as he was afraid that Catherine would try to harm his children if he didn't.
But once you put the restraining order, like once you file it, aren't you not supposed to be around
that person? Well, no, she doesn't know about it. I'm sure he'd rather tell her in person
instead of letting her get to his house before he can to the kids. Yeah. You know.
Yeah, I just feel like once you once you file that, I don't know. I don't know how the laws work
then and now in A.U.S. versus here. But yeah, I would think that I'm pretty sure once you file
nowadays, there's this period where it's as almost as if it's in place. It's like a temporary
restraining order and then you file for it or dismiss it. I think so too. Yeah. His boss had
even offered for John to stay the night at his home, although he refused. So you can come sleep
with me like don't go home and John was like, no, I have to. John returned home that night and was
surprised to find Catherine already there, but no children in sight. No. Fearing the worst,
he asked Catherine where his children were and she stated that she had sent them for a sleepover
at her friend's house. Was that true? Yes, it was true. Okay. Earlier in the day, Catherine had gone
out to buy some brand new black lingerie and also made video tapes of all of her children.
The reasoning for this was unknown at the time, but it was noted. So it'll make sense in a minute.
Okay. She had made like various video tapes of her children, essentially for like memories,
if you will. John explained that since the children were out, he was going to go hang out
at one of his neighbor's house for a few hours and Catherine said, okay, and took off. I guess
maybe he thought she was going home. She was just chill with it. She was cool with it. She was like,
yeah, okay, like go do your thing. Like I'll leave pretty much. So I don't know if she went to run some
errands or maybe just go home for a bit or whatever, but I don't think he expected her to return that
night. We'll say that. John returned home around 11pm and shortly went to bed. Catherine would
return to the home later that night unexpected. She got into the home while John was asleep. She
probably had a key and she sat on the couch and watched TV for a few minutes before going to
take a shower. After showering, she snuck into John's bedroom and woke him up to have sex.
Was she wearing the black lingerie? Probably so. The two would engage in sex. John had sex with her.
And he would fall asleep afterwards, fall back asleep. Okay. Does she know about the
restraining order yet? I don't think so. Okay. This is all too fucking creepy. I'm sorry. Just the
fact that the kids are not even in the fucking house. I would be worried. I would too. I think
that would be like a huge red flag. The following day, a neighbor noticed that John's car was still
in the driveway while after the time that he was supposed to have left for work. When he did not
arrive at work, John's boss immediately got a bad feeling. Yeah, where's the poop? And sent one of
his employees to John's home to check on him. Once the employee arrived, the neighbor came outside
and met up with him and they both went to the house to check on John. The two knocked with no
answer. And they even knocked on John's bedroom window in order to try to like wake him up, but no
answer. Yeah. The two went back to the front door to try again. And this time they actually noticed
blood on the door and immediately called police. Yeah. Police arrived and were able to enter the
home through the back door after breaking through it. Upon entering the home, police found Catherine
comatose on the bed from consuming a large number of pills. They also found what was later
determined to be John's body, but not the way you'd think. Later determined? The fuck does that mean?
The events that followed Catherine and John having sex are as follows. After John fell asleep,
after sex, Catherine began stabbing him with a butcher knife. John awoke in a panic and tried
to turn the bedroom light on and then attempted to escape while Catherine chased him throughout the
home. Jesus. John managed to open the front door and get outside, but he either stumbled back due
to blood loss or he was pulled back into the hallway where he would ultimately die after
receiving at least 37 stab wounds to the front and back of his body, many piercing his vital organs.
Oh my god, that's fucking terrifying. That's why the blood was at the front door.
After Catherine was sure that John was dead, she drove to Aberdeen and withdrew
1000 Australian dollars, about 700 US dollars from John's bank account via an ATM.
I didn't really do the conversion rate because it was only like an extra thousand dollars. Yeah.
She then returned to the home. This is where it gets very ugly. Several hours after John had died,
Catherine skinned his entire body and hung the skin from a meat hook.
She then decapitated John and cooked parts of his body, serving the meat with multiple veggies,
including pumpkin, cabbage, yellow squash, beetroot, and a baked potato along with gravy.
She ate it. This was served on two separate plates at the dinner table,
along with name tags next to each plate containing each of John's children's names.
That is some fucking shit. She was indeed preparing to serve John's body parts to his children.
But this is, okay, but this is, but this is like, sorry, I'm short circuiting. So this is within,
I mean, this is within 24 hours, right, essentially, because they, it's that morning. So she,
she had already set the dinner table. Yeah, I'll get into it in a second.
You'll, you'll, I get all the details. Don't worry. Okay. Police also found a third meal that had
seemingly been thrown out into the backyard. The thought behind this was that Catherine was
planning on eating a plate herself, but could not bring herself to do so. So she just threw it.
Yeah, she's gonna give it to everybody else.
Price's decapitated head was found in a pot with vegetables as well.
When police arrived, the pot was still warm. The temperature actually being around 45 degrees
Celsius. So there's about 115 degrees Fahrenheit for people that are on the metrics.
This indicated that the cooking had taken place in the early morning.
Some time later, Catherine had arranged what was left of John's body with his left arm draped
over an empty soft drink bottle and his legs crossed. He was on the floor, but his legs were
crossing his arm was like up for some reason. Lastly, Catherine had left a handwritten note
on top of a photograph of John. The note was bloodstained and covered in small pieces of flesh.
It stated, quote, there's typos just to warn everyone, quote, time got you back, Jonathan,
for wrapping my doubter. They think it meant raping my daughter, quote, you to Beck for Ross
for little John. Now play with little John's dick, John Price. Beck is noted as being John's daughter
and John was his son. So you to Beck for Ross for little John. I think she was trying to say
like these plates are for them, maybe. And I don't know what the whole dick thing is about, but
it was very, very strange. It sounds like, I don't know, say it again. It sounded like, sorry,
sorry. You to Beck for Ross for little John. Now play with little John's dick, John Price.
Like it doesn't make any fucking sense. Like she's blaming like this is for Beck,
like you're meeting your daughter. Like this is all for her because of what happens to Ross,
I guess, and little John. I don't know. It's weird. So kind of hard to understand the accusations in
the note about Catherine's daughter potentially being sexually assaulted were found to be false.
So Don didn't fucking do anything. She just did this to him.
Everyone take a deep breath. That's a lot. I know. There's another case where that there's that
body chest cam of that officer walking through that house where that guy had murdered his parents.
And there was like a foot, like just a foot somewhere like upstairs, but that he had, he was,
they didn't know they were going in for a welfare check. And they didn't know, but
when the officer's walking in, they're clearing the house. There's a pot on the stove and it
contains his mother's head. And the officers don't know the entire time they're in the crime scene.
It's like a Zach Bowen. Yeah, they didn't know until they were literally taking inventory of the
house like two hours later. And they had walked past it several times. It didn't even know that
fucking terrifying. Yeah. Speaking of police, it's interesting that you brought that up. Sergeant
Robert Wells was one of the men that walked into the home that morning. And what he saw has
since caused him to become diagnosed with severe PTSD. He said about that day, quote,
we didn't get much information about what was going on at the house, just that we had to get
there quick. I was actually stationed at another police station about 40 minutes away. By the time
I got to the scene, Catherine was leaving in an ambulance. She had taken some pills, not enough
to kill her, but they made her sleepy. I walked inside and saw the human skin pelt hanging up,
completely intact in one piece. Whoa, John Price's decapitated and skinned body was lying on the
floor in the lounge room. We found his head. It had been boiled and cooked in a pot on the stove.
There were a number of slices of rump taken off his human rump, baked in the oven with some vegetables
and put on plates with the names of two of his children on them, end quote. Sergeant Wells also
recalled later that there was a moment that he looked at Catherine's face and instantly knew
everything was she was saying was a lie. He said about this, quote, the fact that Catherine Knight
had been violent towards the men she had been in relationships with over the years, they were all
quite smaller than her. It is very unusual for a woman to do this. And all my years on the force,
I've never once been called to a scene where a woman was violently beating up on a man. Most of
the time, from my experience, it is men being violent towards their female partners. Catherine
Knight was a very unique case, end quote. It's interesting that he said that all of the men
were smaller than her, to remember the elementary thing. And so I was thinking of that, yes, dear.
So police obviously woke Catherine up once they entered the home and she immediately claimed that
she had no recollection of the night before. I have no idea what I did. What happened? I've just
been sleeping. I just woke up here. Police obviously immediately arrested Catherine,
whose initial offer was to plead guilty to manslaughter. This was clearly rejected. Yeah.
Yeah. She was arraigned on March 2, 2001 on the charge of murdering John Price,
in which she had entered a plea of not guilty. Like, what the fuck do you think we're gonna
get? You're gonna be like, oh yeah, you're not guilty. Her trial was initially set for July 23rd,
but was pushed back due to her attorney becoming sick. The trial was then moved to October 15,
2001. During the trial, Justice Barry O'Keefe offered the 60 people on the jury to be excused
during the showing of the graphic photos from the crime scene, to which five accepted. I was gonna
say, no, like, that's your job. Sorry. I mean, it's traumatizing, but fuck. So five people accepted.
When the witness list was read out to the jury, several more dropped out for unknown reasons.
I'm not sure if it's like, God, that's a lot of witnesses. I don't want to sit through this or
whatever. After this, the jury was impaneled. So I wanted to explain what this means, because I had
to look it up. Yeah. Impaneling a jury means like selecting a set number of people that will not be
allowed to leave just like what you said. And they are required to stay and make a decision and see
all the evidence. So I guess in Australia, it's a little bit different. They have like a bunch of
people come in and they kind of like weed people out during the trial and doing it beforehand.
Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, because we do, they do the paneling all before. Yeah, exactly.
And I just think it's interesting to note because I was researching it. In Australia,
they have jury duties similarly to us. However, they get paid $40 for each day for the first six
days and then $80 every day thereafter if the trial lasts longer. In Texas, you can get paid no
less than $6 a day and no more than $50 a day for jury duty. Although there's still potential for
payment, the commissioners court of a county may choose to reduce or eliminate the daily compensation
if you only attended for one day. So literally you can go for an entire day, miss work and not
make any money, which is fucking stupid. I think we get like three bucks and it's like,
this is that's cute gas to get all the way downtown. And similarly to the US,
Australia, jury duty is required. If you get called, you get, you have to go. Sure. You never
catch me, Capas. I haven't ever gone, but I've only ever been called when I was in school. So I
had like a school excuse. Oh yeah. They're coming for you. Yeah. Casey was like, I just didn't
fucking show up. I was like, Oh my god. Yeah, Cameron was the one that was like, I didn't show
up to my last one. I haven't heard shit. And it was like, the last time I got called was like
eight, nine years ago. Did I tell you? I'm fine. I'm going to out my boyfriend right now. Did I
tell you about Casey got called for jury duty in 2020 and it was via zoom when they were doing
the screening and he turned his mic on and they told him to go. They told him to me.
Hold you in contempt of court. You know what, sir, you're free to go.
Thank you, sir. That's all I required. So bad. And you won't be selected for the next
trial. Oh, this guy's far. We cannot have him on here. Oh, Lord. I don't even think he had his
camera on. I just think he had his mic on. Love you, babe. He has a listen. So it's fine. It's fine.
Okay. Back to the trial. So after the jury was set, Catherine's attorneys spoke to the judge who
then adjourned the hearing to the following day. Okay. But it was kind of weird because it wasn't
like they ran out of time. They just like, he was like, okay, tomorrow, like we'll pick back up.
Well, sometimes I've seen that, you know, just because I watch a lot of like,
lawn crime network hearings and stuff like right now I'm watching that stepmom that killed her stepson.
So I watched like a lot of that stuff. But sometimes if they know that they're going to be
opening up like a whole new piece of evidence, it's going to take for fucking ever. Yeah, like,
we'll just do it tomorrow. Yeah. And that's exactly what happened. So the next morning in a shocking
turn of events, Catherine changed her plea to guilty and the jury was actually dismissed. So
apparently when you change your plea to guilty, they don't need a fucking jury. No, yeah. Yeah.
Exactly. Yeah. It was, oh yeah, that was stupid. Yeah. Or, you know, they don't, a lot of people
and I would be too are pissed off when killers specifically were that it's like, beyond a
reasonable doubt, like clearly this person, it's more than just circumstantial evidence. Yeah.
They're clearly going to be found guilty. And when they plead not guilty, it's like,
you're literally making everyone suffer through this fucking trial. Yeah. Because you're an asshole.
Yeah, exactly. Well, they also killed people. So clearly you're an asshole. Yeah. So it was made
public after this that Judge O'Keefe actually knew about the plea change the night before and
that's why he adjourned. Oh, so that's a jury could, so that he could arrange for her to get
actually a psych eval overnight in order to make sure that she fully understood what would happen
and what she was pleading guilty to. I see. So that's why he was like, okay, everyone leave. Yeah.
The defense attorneys had planned to defend Catherine by claiming amnesia and dissociation,
a claim that was actually supported by her psychiatrist, although they did consider her to
be legally sane. So they said, yeah, she might have had dissociation and amnesia, but she's sane.
Yeah, like she's, yeah, exactly. Just because you don't remember certain aspects of a traumatic
event, you might have amnesia from that. But that doesn't necessarily qualify you to be insane
under the eyes of the law. During this overnight evaluation, two different psychiatrists also
concluded that Catherine suffered from borderline personality disorder. There we go. Despite the
diagnosis, no real reason has ever been given for Catherine changing her pleading guilty.
She hasn't really said like why. Furthermore, even though she pleaded guilty, Catherine still never
accepted responsibility for her actions. So she's like pleading guilty, but I didn't, I didn't do it.
She's like, but it's not my fault. He was a dickhead and he was cheating on me and he was
leaving and you know, whatever. Yeah. At the sentencing hearing, Catherine's attorneys asked at
one point if she could be excused during the explanation of the gruesome facts of the case.
She's like, they're too much for me to handle. Which was denied. The judge made her say that.
Yeah, fucking good. When forensic pathologist Timothy Lyons took the stand and began describing
the skinning and decapitation of John, Catherine became hysterical and had to be sedated. Bitch,
you fucking did it. You did it. You did it. Why are you freaking out now? You weren't freaking out
while you were doing it. It reminds me of like manic episodes, though, almost, right? Like when
she would be in these moments, it was like there was no stopping her until she like was satisfied,
you know, with whatever pain she was inflicting on someone or the argument or the stabbings or
the hitting or whatever. So I bet in that moment, when you are calm for the most part,
and you're sitting there and you're watching this unfold, it's not the same as like being in the
moment, you know what I mean? But honestly, like kind of glad that she like became hysterical
because like she's deserved to not have to sit there. Yeah, she has to live with what she fucking
did. Yeah, exactly. And that's part of taking the accountability as having a full realization of
what you did to someone. Of course, yeah, definitely. And that's why they had to make sure she was
sane so that she knew what she was confessing to or pleading to. On November 8th, over a month
after the trial started, Justice O'Keeffe stated that the nature of the crime and Catherine's lack
of remorse required a severe penalty. Catherine Knight was sentenced to life in prison without
possibility of parole. Good. Justice O'Keeffe also requesting that her papers be marked quote,
never to be released. This was the first time that a life sentence had been imposed on a woman
in Australian history. The first time? Yep, that a woman got a life sentence. And this was when?
Again? This was in the early 2000s. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Justice O'Keeffe stated about the sentencing
quote, she did not qualify for mercy because of her cruel, vicious behavior. She showed him no
mercy. She had not expressed any contrition or remorse. If released, she poses a serious threat
to the security of society. I am satisfied beyond any doubt that such a murder was premeditated.
I'm further satisfied in the same way that not only did she plan the murder, but she also enjoyed
the horrific acts which followed in its wake as part of a ritual of death and defilement.
The things which she did after the death of Mr. Price indicate cognition, volition, calm, and skill.
I am satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that her evil actions were playing out of her resentments
arising out of her rejection by Mr. Price, her impeding expulsion from Mr. Price's home,
which he wanted to retain for his children. The last minutes of his life must have been a time
of abject terror for him as they were a time of utter enjoyment for her. End quote. Like,
Mike fucking drop. Fucking heaps, holy shit. Yeah. In June of 2006, Catherine appealed her life
sentence, claiming that a penalty of life in prison without the possibility of parole was way too
severe for her crime. No, it's not. No, it's not. Justice's Peter McClellan, Michael Adams, and
Megan Latham dismissed the appeal in the New South Wales Court of Criminal Appeals in September
with Justice McClellan writing in his judgment quote, this was an appalling crime almost beyond
contemplation in a civilized society. Catherine May Knight is now 67 years old and is still
serving out her life sentence at Silverwater Prison about 20 kilometers or 12 miles away from Sydney.
But wait, there's more. There's more? In November of 2020, detectives from Lake
Macquarie Police District established a force called Strike Force Irriband to investigate
allegations that two teenage boys had been abused between 1990 and 2004. The man found
in connection with these crimes was one Neville Rohan, who was already facing 15 sexual assault
charges relating to the same boys. But Rohan isn't Rohan. Rohan's her, it's Jack Rohan's kid.
Due to this new information coming out, after his new hearing, there was an additional 85 charges
dating back to the 1960s laid on Neville in relation to a further seven boys. In addition,
Roland George Powell was arrested and charged with 28 counts of sexual and indecent assault.
Neville was 71 and Roland was 68 at the time of these charges. Now, what does this have to do
with the case? You just said it. I did. Neville Rohan was actually born Neville Joseph Knight,
and he has none other than Catherine's older brother.
That's crazy. So he's a pedophile. Yeah. He's also in prison. You said in really, oh, okay,
but you said in relation to two teenage boys, oh, but they were the victims of his. Is that
where you're saying, oh, I see. But the allegations that he sexually assaulted her when she was younger
might, he was able to do that as a child and look what he's still fucking doing as a fucking wild.
Well, I mean, they grew up with that like overly sexual household. Yeah. I mean, that can't help
anybody, honestly. Now, going back to Sergeant Wells from earlier in the story, the police officer
that gave the whole statement about what he saw in the PTSD now, he is now a mental health advocate
and is known for encouraging all men and women, especially those working in emergency services,
to seek help if they need it. He has stated, quote, although things have gotten better,
I think there's still a lot of stigma around the issue of mental health. After 20 plus years on the
job, you become a bit numb to everything you see. You might not feel like you're affected at the time,
but it can catch up with you later. My condition is something I manage. I see a psychologist once
a month. Sometimes I depend on medication. Sometimes I don't. I have a good partner who keeps me level
and good, strong, loving children and grandchildren. They make me want to wake up every day and keep
going. That's my therapy. Oh, so I wanted to pepper in the Australian phone numbers for a couple of
different lines. So if you are someone you know is experiencing sexual abuse or family violence,
contact these two lines. These are both Australian numbers. The National Sexual Assault
Domestic Violence Counseling Center is a 24 hour helpline and that is 1-800-RESPECT or 1-800-737-732.
And then the National Violence and Abuse Trauma Counseling and Recovery Service
is at 1-800-FULL-STOP or 1-800-385-578. This service also offers a specific line for the
LGBTIQA Plus community called the Rainbow Sexual Domestic and Family Violence Line at 1-800-497-212.
Wow. And that's my case. Oh my gosh. I know. That was a lot. I know. That's incredible though.
I cannot believe. I bet this is one of the biggest cases to come out of Australia. Oh, I bet. I really
feel. Absolutely. We definitely better plug it in. Anybody listening in Australia, let me know. If
you have any more details on the case, let me know. I can only find so much over here in America.
For sure. I'm sure there's people that live in that community that hear about and talk about her
all the time. It wasn't that long ago when she got arrested. That's so funny. I was talking about
Dave's Lemonade too because of the... Yeah, that is funny. Was that last episode or this episode?
Last episode. That's so funny. Yeah. That's funny. Maybe it was this episode. I don't know.
That's hilarious. Well, yeah. That was my case. It was a giant doozy of a case and thank you. I
didn't mean to do that. It was a doozy of a case. A dingo ate my baby. Gotta get it out there.
We lost. We were going to pin it up the whole time. A glue cooler.
Oh, I saw this one the other day on TikTok. It was like, if someone from Australia ordered a tuna
sandwich and they didn't like it, he's like, excuse me, this tuna looks peculiar. Your tuna
looks peculiar. I can't even do it. Someone sent me a voice memo of you saying that if you're from
Australia, because I would love to hear it. Yeah, we always love talking about our out of our country
listeners. I know we have listeners all over the world. Let us know if you're from there. We
guys, we really want to hear from you. I know it's like we say it every episode, but we're not
getting as much emails as we want. I promise you're not going to bother us. We want to hear from you
guys. So please let us know. If again, if you know any more information about this case or if
you're from another country and you want us to do one of your cases, that's totally fine as well.
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I need to listen to that because you do. I Elliot Roger has been on my list. Yeah,
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