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Hello. Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer, the regular Diagnosing

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is on there and if you click on that it actually takes right to our website anyway, so two birds.

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And yeah, that's super exciting. Can't wait to do that. We were talking about the panel in our

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last episode, I think about how we're both like kind of nervous if we do get chosen for a panel,

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like we have to take like some shots or something. Yeah. So super excited to tell you this story.

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I know this is one that you don't know and if you do you're going to really surprise me because

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I had never heard about this. I wanted to do something like super different than I know we

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would say that, but super different than we've done MOIs and just kind of like altogether

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scenario situation wise. So I landed on a little fella named John Jack Gilbert Graham.

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His name is my name too. So he does go by Jack, that's what we're going to call him. Jack.

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All right, let's start on this little number here. On November 1st, 1955, Daisy King boarded

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United Airlines flight 629 en route from Stapleton Airport in Denver, Colorado to Portland, Oregon.

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The plane was to eventually land in Seattle, Washington, where Daisy would then change planes

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and travel to Alaska to visit her daughter. The plane took off at 6.52 p.m. And just 11 minutes

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later, a tremendous explosion occurred in the cargo department of the plane, cleanly severing

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its tail section and causing a flare to separate and ignite. A secondary explosion occurred when

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the plane's engine and forward compartment hit the ground, instantly killing the 39 passengers and

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five crew members aboard, 44 people in total. The plane crashed on a sugar beet farm near

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Longmont, Colorado. Upon hearing the news, the FBI immediately offered its services and

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identifying the victims of the seemingly accidental tragedy. Although as the bodies were recovered,

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an investigator sifted through the evidence and stories of the victims, the scenario was beginning

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to seem a bit fishy. While the days went by and their investigation became more detailed,

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the uneasy feeling became too big to ignore and the FBI was forced to face the truth.

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This plane crash was indeed not accidental and in reality, a bomb had been placed purposefully

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into one passenger's luggage, Daisy King. Oh, heaveys. In order to fully understand why this bomb

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was put onto this plane to detonate on purpose, we need to learn who would have wanted to cause

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harm to Daisy King. Wow. John Jack Gilbert Graham was born on January 23, 1932 in Denver,

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Colorado, to Daisy William Graham. Daisy herself was raised in a seemingly normal middle to upper

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class family. Her father was a school teacher who eventually rose to not only a state representative

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but district attorney and district court judge in Colorado. Wow. After growing up and moving to

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Denver, Daisy met and married a man by the name of Tom Gallagher in the early 1920s and the two

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would shortly welcome a daughter named Helen Ruth Gallagher. Shortly after Helen being born,

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Daisy and Tom would divorce and Daisy would eventually meet and marry William Graham. Okay.

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Due to Jack being born in the height of the Great Depression, his family unfortunately would struggle

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with poverty throughout his entire childhood. William was a mining engineer, but due to the

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economic impact of the Great Depression, he was unable to pursue his career and the family became

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under a lot of financial stress. William and Daisy would ultimately separate when Jack was just 18

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months old. Oh, it's a little baby. I know. Though they were separated, William was still providing

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for the family financially as much as he could. But unfortunately, in 1937, he would contract

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pneumonia and ultimately pass away from the illness. Whoa. This is when Jack was just five years old.

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After William died, Daisy would move in with her mother in order for her to work more while the

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grandmother watched not only Jack, but Daisy's daughter Helen as well. Within a couple years,

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however, Daisy's mother would ultimately pass herself, leaving Daisy with both children and no

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time to work. It was during this time around 1940 that Daisy made the decision to send Jack to an

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orphanage named the Clayton College for Boys, seeming as though she sent her daughter with her dad

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at the same time. This orphanage was named as an orphanage for quote, poor white male orphans born

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of reputable parents. She's like kind of fucked up. That's disgusting. But not kind of fucked up.

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It is fucked up. Now, it seems as though Daisy giving Jack up to the orphanage was in her mind

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for his own well-being because of course she couldn't provide for him financially, right?

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Jack would later recall that he thought his mother did not love him anymore, and that's why she

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dropped him off at the orphanage. It makes my heart hurt. However, shortly after giving up Jack,

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in 1941, Daisy would marry a third time, this time to a wealthy rancher named Earl King. And she went

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back for Jack, right? This new marriage would dramatically change her finances,

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yet she never chose to pick Jack up from the orphanage and bring him to live with her,

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although she could afford it now. That's awful. During the next couple of years, Daisy would have

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Jack come out to the ranch to spend holidays and vacations with the family only to be returned

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back to the orphanage during the school year. I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

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Jack, wait, Jack's like apostrophe-ess? Yeah. Like from Fight Club? It's from Fight Club, yeah.

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When Jack was 13, he was taken out of the orphanage and sent to stay a while with some neighbors of

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his stepfathers. Not like with them at the house, who just went with some neighbors. Only to be

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returned back to the orphanage shortly after. Geez, this poor kid. So in his mind, they don't want

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me either. Yeah. Jack was noted as asking around this time why he could not just simply live with

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his mother. Like, what the fuck? Yeah. Why can't I just live here? I mean, I'm related to you,

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and you're also my mother. Despite all of his struggles, Jack was still attending school,

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but would ultimately drop out of high school after completing the ninth grade.

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You see this a lot. After dropping out of school at age 16, Jack decided that he was going to enlist

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in the Coast Guard, lying about his age during the application process. Jack was able to join

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the Coast Guard because IDs weren't a thing. I mean, they were. And ended up serving starting in

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April 1948. Less than a year later, however, in January of 1949, Jack would go AWOL for 63 days

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and was required to go to a court martial hearing following his return. Oh shit. Where was he?

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When asked why he went AWOL, Jack responded by saying that he was tired of having to listen

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to his higher ups, and he just wanted to party instead. Just want to party, bro. Just want to party.

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Just want to party. He also did not seem to care about his decision, stating, quote,

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But why apply though? Why apply to the Coast Guard if you just aren't going to pay attention or listen?

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Well, I guess he thought he was going to, and then he got into the military and he was like,

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fuck this. I don't want to be told what to do. It was better than staying at the YMCA.

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Well, yeah. And then also like his whole life, I mean, he went to the orphanage, I guess, so he

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did have like structure, but he's probably like, you're not my fucking parents. You know, you can't

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tell him what to do kind of like that attitude. Yeah. The only one that can tell me what to do

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is my mother apparently. Yeah. Following the hearing, Jack was sent to a hospital for neurological

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testing and was later honorably discharged from the military. Like how? He went AWOL.

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For 63 days. Honorably discharged. I don't know. I don't know what he said to them. Yeah.

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Yeah. According to Jack, he claimed that he was given shock treatments while being evaluated,

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but these claims were never confirmed. On the contrary, records would indicate that Jack was

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actually immature, displayed poor judgment and exhibited impulsive behavior. Honorably discharged.

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Yeah. But he's like, they gave him a shock treatment. They were like, no, he's like,

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like a delinquent. Yeah. After being discharged from the military, Jack would actually receive

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his high school diploma after passing entrance exams at Denver University. And during this time,

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he would meet fellow student Gloria Elson. The two would quickly marry. Every time.

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The two would quickly marry. The two would marry in 1953 and would quickly have a child together,

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seeming to have the perfect family life on the outside. Okay. Dennis, writer.

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Just a panty-rater. Panty-rater. One year into his marriage, Jack had still not had any contact

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with his estranged mother since before he dropped out of school. So that was like 16 and this is

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what he's 19 or 20 now. So yeah, it's been about five years since he seeded his mother.

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The same year in 1954, so this is one year later after he gets married, Earl King,

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Daisy's new husband, accidentally, accidentally passed away. Whoops.

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My bad. Earl King passed away, leaving his huge inheritance behind and now in Daisy's possession.

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During this time, Daisy and Jack would reconnect, seemingly due to the fact that Earl had passed

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away and maybe Daisy reached out to Jack to let him know, kind of said like, hey, look, like,

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I know we can rekindle our relationship. Yeah, because now I'm lonely and I have this big house

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all to myself. Yeah. So Daisy would ultimately purchase a home in the same year that Earl died.

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I'm not sure what happened to his home. Maybe it got, maybe she sold it and got it something smaller.

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Might have been a family home or something. Yeah. Her inheritance is some kind for somebody else.

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Yes. However, it went, Daisy would actually invite Jack and his wife along with their child to move

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in with her. Okay. I wonder if he didn't like Jack and that's why she was like, oh, you can't stay here.

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Can't stay here. I don't know. I feel like, and I'm not trying to like speak ill, but I feel like

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she might have just felt felt it easier to just leave him in the home because her daughter was

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taking care of. Yeah. Right. And she's like, well, he's fine over there. I don't think she realized

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like how detrimental like that was to his upbringing. During this time, Daisy and Jack's

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relationship was very tumultuous. And the two were known to argue often. Although they were

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known for constantly arguing, a friend of Daisy's would later say about their relationship at this

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time, quote, Jack was her favorite. She took his word as law and gave him a lot of things.

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I suppose Daisy was a little neurotic. So Daisy's clearly putting on this persona outside of the

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home that her and Jack have this great relationship. And neighbors are like, no, they fought like all

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the time. Well, I wonder if for her it's like overcompensation. Like I've definitely seen that

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before in other families where, you know, maybe the mom or the dad had moved away while the child

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was young, but then they come back in their lives and it's like anything you want, anything you want

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because I owe you now because I abandoned you. And now she has all this money. So Daisy would

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actually become a successful businesswoman and even begin to purchase and run her own restaurant

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that became very popular. In February of 1955, Jack and his wife, Gloria would welcome their

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second child to the world. Hmm. Their growing family seemed to be thriving with his mother's

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business booming and the family dynamic looking promising. Hmm. At least she was working. Oh,

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absolutely. However, Jack's half sister Helen would later say about this time that Jack had

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anger issues, a very dark sense of humor, and had enacted violence on numerous occasions on Helen

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and his wife alike. I guess at some point Helen, the half sister came back. I'm sure she's like

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visiting. I think she was like many years older than him. So she's probably has her own family

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at this point. I think she was just visiting. Okay. And remember, she's living in Alaska. I mean,

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within five years after this, so maybe she wasn't even living in the same state. True. So

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funny enough, the criminal activity of Jack did not start and stop with this bombing.

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But in reality, he had a long record of crimes dating back to 1951. Hmm. In early 1951, Jack was

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employed as a payroll clerk when he was caught stealing a set of blank checks in order to commit

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fraud. So this is before he was married. Before he was married. Okay. He filled out 42 of the checks

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for $100 each, then forged the name of the company owner to cash them. Hmm. This act would land him

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on the local most wanted list. What? Yeah. Damn. I mean, I bet that's a lot of fucking money.

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Stealing nearly $4,500 in the 50s. So I did the conversion rate. It's about 52 grand today.

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That's a pretty penny. Jack would spend $2,000 of this money to go on the run to Texas. Hmm.

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Because he's on the most wanted list. He can't be there anymore. Right. In Colorado. Where do you

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go in Texas? I'm actually not sure. I think he was in like the Panhandle area. Okay. Because

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that's like closest to Colorado. Sure. Being in Texas less than a year, Jack would ultimately

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find himself in trouble with the law there as well. On September 11th, 1951, Jack would be caught by

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police when trying to illegally transport whiskey. Cool. He would be sentenced to 60 days in the

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county jail before being sent back to Denver to face his forgery charge. Yeah. He was convicted on

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November 3rd for this charge, but the conviction was suspended and he was placed on probation instead

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for a total of five years. Don't you love to see it? Don't you love to see it, folks? Love to see it.

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He would also pay financial restitution for this crime from 1952 to 1955. Okay. So it's kind of

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become a theme now that he'll do like whatever he can for financial gain. Right. Yeah. Was it Richard

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Ramirez or was it, I want to say it was Richard Ramirez was kind of like that at the beginning.

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Yeah. Just like finding any way to scam people. Yeah. Stil money. Stil money. Yeah. And that just,

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I mean, the crimes escalated clearly for you. Yeah. Jack would ultimately get a job as a heavy

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duty equipment mechanic from January 1953 to December 1954. This is again, right around the

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time that he moved in with his mother, his pregnant wife and their first child. Of course, the baby

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has been born. Yeah. Going back to Daisy and Jack arguing very frequently. The most common

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topic of these fights was over management of the restaurant that Daisy had owned. Jack wanted to be

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the manager and I don't think that she wanted him to be the manager because of their, like,

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she didn't want to mix like business and family. Yeah. You know, of course, they didn't really

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agree on a lot of stuff. So Jack didn't like that clearly. And shortly after the restaurant was

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opened, I would say within six months to a year, it was vandalized considerably, but the perpetrator

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was never caught. In September of 1955, so this is two months before the plane crash, Daisy's

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restaurant mysteriously caught fire caused by an explosion from a gas line being disconnected. What?

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The restaurant was completely destroyed in the explosion, but again, no perpetrator of the crime

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or even confirmation that it wasn't an accident. So they really didn't even know that there might

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have been foul play. The FBI would later note that Jack's truck was also hit by a train around

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this same time. Something they believe was also to try to collect insurance money from.

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Whoops, just happened to leave my park ditch. Accidentally.

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Like a lemony Snicket snap bitch. Parked a lot of the train tracks.

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Yeah. I don't know. My truck was just in my driveway and all of a sudden this train game.

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Yeah, they should fix the tracks or something. So shortly after this restaurant explosion and

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truck accident, on November 1st, 1955, Daisy King would board the aircraft that would explode 11

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minutes into the flight. So she was going to Alaska to go see what Helen? Okay.

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Daisy's luggage actually almost didn't make it on the plane at all or almost missed the plane

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because it was actually overweight due to the stuff that Jack had added. Wow. The airline wanted

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to charge Daisy $27.82 for the overweight charged. So she was trying to say, Oh, I'll just get some

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stuff out of it. And Jack was like, No, no, no, just pay it. You're going to need everything

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that you packed. Like don't leave anything behind. And she goes, Okay. And she pays it and they

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check it. Jesus. That's fucking evil. Like you can. Oh my gosh. Now it's very clear that Jack was

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the mastermind behind this explosion. Becoming obsessed with money and financial gain, Jack had

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devised a plan that would give him the ultimate payout. His first plan was to burn the restaurant

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down in order to collect the insurance money. Shortly before the explosion, he was noted as

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taking out an insurance policy on the restaurant that was in his name. And he was able to collect

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it after the restaurant was destroyed because again, they didn't know it was foul play, right?

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This was not enough for Jack, however, and he knew that he could kick it up a notch and gain even

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more money. After dropping off his mom at the airport security, Jack utilized something that

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was available in airports at the time, a life insurance policy on his mother through the airlines.

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So when flying was like unreliable because it literally like was barely happening in the 50s.

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It was like a step above a hot air balloon. You used to be able to purchase life insurance

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on the passengers from a vending machine at the airport. And I told this to mom and mom goes,

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Oh yeah, I remember that because it didn't go away until like the 80s. Yeah.

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Yeah. That's bonkers. Yeah. So the benefit was put to rest in the 80s again with new technology

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and stuff. But also like probably fucking issues like this. Oh no, I would be ashamed of the plane

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crash. Like I think it was that D.B. Cooper documentary. They were talking about how anybody

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and everybody could just like hop on fucking planes and like planejacking was a really serious

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issue because they had like no fucking security, just all this shit. Nobody fucking checked the

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bags. It was essentially just like a place where people that could afford it or you know,

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misogynists or whatever can grow up like the stewardesses and like can't do anything about it.

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Yeah. And it's just it was just lullish. It was just like a zoo. Not to mention these life insurance

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policies could be purchased in these vending machines for like 25 cents each. Like literally

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like put a quarter of it and get a million. Yeah, right. It's like a slot machine.

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Like a big scam or something. It's a fucking slot machine. Now, Jack's motive for the bombing was to

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collect $37,500 in life insurance money, which is the equivalent of $416,000 today on his mom.

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So he took out that policy on his mom. He also took out two additional policies on Daisy while in

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the airport, totaling $6,250 each, which is about $70,000. And he took these out to make sure that

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it would go to her sister and to Helen. Okay. Nice fucking guy. Yeah, he's so sweet. I'm just gonna

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make sure you get some money out of it. What a nice guy. Stupid ass. Do you think that maybe

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part of that was because he didn't want them coming after like the fortune he was already

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getting from his mom? I think he might have thought like if they get money out of it, maybe

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they'll be distracted and they won't like come from my money. Yeah, come from my inheritance.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Because in addition to this money, Jack was also set to be the

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beneficiary of his mother's home that was totaled at $150,000. Yeah. $1.7 million today. Oh my gosh.

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Yeah, it was shut up money. It was like, here's your 70. Here's your 70 shut up. But of course,

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they didn't know. Yeah. Days before the bombing, Jack had gone shopping for what he said was an

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artistic toolkit. His mom liked to hand make jewelry. So he had gone shopping for what he

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said was a gift for his mother because it was close to Christmas time. It's like needle nose pliers

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and well, red and black wires. Yeah, he didn't really even buy any of that gunpowder. On the

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morning of November 1st, Jack brought the package to the basement where his mother had been packing.

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The package that consisted of 25 sticks of dynamite, two primer caps, a timer, and a 6 volt battery

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was disguised as a Christmas present and packed into his mother's suitcase. That's fucking evil.

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Not only that, but there's like, that's overkill almost. Yeah, 25 sticks. This was not Jack's first

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experience with dynamite, however, as he would later confess to having performed demolition work

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while in the military. Oh, his sister Helen even admitted that he once casually joked about using

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dynamite to blow off a stuck bolt while they were working on a project. He's like, oh, just dynamite

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it'll come off dynamite it dynamite it dynamite it dynamite. Lastly, the truck credit manager of

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his vehicle that was hit previously had remembered that Jack had once commented on the ease of putting

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a bomb onto an airplane and blowing it up. Well, it's true. Well, back then, yeah. Yeah, sure.

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Although there were these seemingly like eyebrow raising comments made, nobody was the wiser when

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it came to Jack and they never took any of his comments seriously. Yeah. So in the afternoon

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of November 1st, 1955, Jack, his wife, and his two children all drove Daisy to the airport.

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Jack, knowing that the bomb was in the back of the car the whole time and could possibly fucking

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detonate with his fucking children in the car. If he like fucked up any anytime like making this

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bomb like he could have killed all of them. Yeah. His children and his wife, not even his mom. I mean,

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feel good about. Jack dropped his mother and family off at the terminal door, drove to the

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parking lot, and took her luggage to get checked. Again, this is when they met up with the whole

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money thing and then he was like, no, no, no. The FBI worked endlessly in order to narrow down the

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cause of the crash and to determine if it was an accident or a chilling plot to purposely explode

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the plane. They sifted through all of the rubble, ID'd everyone on board, and even interviewed their

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family members to gain knowledge about them. They were able to reassemble the plane with the pieces

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that they found and in order to determine where the explosion happened. Yeah. Because of course,

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there wouldn't be as enough rubble right there. Right. The FBI work on this case is absolutely

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incredible. And if you Google the case, you can actually find this is where I got most of my info

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on the FBI.gov website and it details every single thing that they did to reach Jack in their

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investigation. That's cool. And it's a lot more than I would than I detailed here. So if you want

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like a really deep dive into this, it's a really good read. And it's like a legal document, you know.

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So law enforcement discovered that Jack had a criminal record for embezzlement by Czech forgery

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and illegal transport of whiskey in Texas. They were also able to uncover that Jack's truck had

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been totaled under suspicious circumstances, as well as his mother's restaurant being burned to

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the ground. Yeah. On top of all of these discoveries, while looking through the insurance policies

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taken out on each passenger aboard the aircraft, police noticed that Daisy King was the only passenger

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with three different insurance policies taken out the same day, which the same day wasn't really

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weird because that's why they were there on the airport. Yeah. But still. Perhaps the most damning

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piece of evidence to Jack being a potential suspect were items that were determined to be on

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Daisy's person during the explosion. In what detectives determined to be her handbag, Daisy had

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personal letters, newspaper clippings and more about Jack Graham's forgery conviction and placement

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on Denver's most wanted list. I think that she was maybe bringing this to like share with her

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daughter like what she found out about Jack. Like he was having a record, maybe he was like wanted.

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That's the only reason that I can think of that she would have it in her purse. Yeah. Because she

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didn't, as far as I know, say anything to him about that she knew about his past charges. I

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think that it was something that would be planted either. I mean, why would he do that? No, I don't

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think, I mean, that's what I'm saying. I don't think he even knew that she had that. Again, this

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is all speculation. I have no idea. But yeah, she had like in her purse, like in her carry-out. It's

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really interesting. Unless she had a sneaking suspicion. Yeah, that's true. That's true. That too.

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Yeah, that's true. The true, true. Detectives having more than enough circumstantial evidence

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to question Jack were told by FBI director J. Edgar Hoover to quote, focus on him. J. Edgar Hoover.

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Yeah, it's a really cool name right? Company. Edgar Hoover is like a very, very famous person.

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Yeah, I know. Okay, I was quoting Clue, the movie Clue. Yeah, J. Edgar Hoover.

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Oh, I thought that sounded familiar actually. It's Tim Curry. Oh, really? I'll steal it, credit card!

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Now? Now. Jack was originally interviewed with the company of Helen, his half-sister,

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on November 10th, 1955. During this interview, Jack relayed detailed information about his mom,

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dad, and his childhood. He and his sister were both free to go following this interview.

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On November 11th, the following day, Jack and his wife, Gloria, willingly spoke to the FBI

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about Daisy's final days, Gloria stating that she knew what Daisy's luggage looked like,

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but not what was in it. Gloria explained that Daisy was very particular about the contents

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of her luggage and she would never let anyone else pack for her or even help her pack. Gloria did

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recall that Jack said he was going to give Daisy a present before she left for the airport,

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and she believed that it contained a small artistic tool set. She also recalled that she did see

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Jack take the package down to the basement where Daisy's luggage was, but she did not know if he

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gave it to Daisy or not after that. She didn't press because it didn't seem weird to her.

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At least one Gloria knows how to communicate with police officers. Yeah, exactly. However,

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after the FBI had Jack in their grips, they would question him ruthlessly over the course of the

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over the course of the next 12 hours. Now, at this point, they already know that he had tampered

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with his mother's luggage on the day of the explosion because they had narrowed it down to

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her bag that was the cause of the explosion. Right. And Jack had actually told a neighbor

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earlier the day of the crash that he was planning on sneaking a Christmas present into his mother's

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luggage. Like, why would you say that? Dummy. Further interviews went on on November 11th and 12th

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with relatives and associates of Daisy, but the only one that carried any weight was this neighbor.

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Not wanting to spook Jack any further, but still wanting to question him,

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FBI agents would actually invite Jack and his wife Gloria back to the federal building around noon

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on November 12th with the guys that they needed them to help identify some charred pieces of luggage

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as well as to help clear up some details of the case. So they were like, wait, I just need your help.

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When questioned if he had messed with Daisy's luggage on the day of the explosion, Jack simply

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stated that he had purchased a jewelry making tool for her and just put that in the bag for her

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securely before bringing up her luggage. What Jack and the FBI both knew at this point was that there

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was no jewelry making tool at all. And instead, the 25 sticks of dynamite, a few blasting caps,

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and a timer set for 90 minutes. Wow. FBI agents were not entirely convinced that Jack did not have

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this explosion to begin with. But the more they questioned him, the more it became apparent that

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he was most definitely involved and most likely the mastermind. Yeah. Around 6 30pm, FBI agents

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informed Jack that he was now officially a suspect in the bombing and that he was both free to go

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and to call an attorney. They can't arrest him, but they now have him as a suspect, right? Yeah.

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And I'm sure they want to get everything down to a T. Right. This was actually before the Miranda

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rights were a thing. So that's why they told them he was both free to go and call an attorney,

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but they didn't like read him any rights. Yeah. Now the Miranda rights, I just had to pepper

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this in there because I thought it was interesting. They didn't go into effect until 1966. So in 1963,

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Ernesto Miranda was arrested in Arizona for kidnapping and rape. During his interrogation,

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he was not informed of his right to remain silent and his right to an attorney. He eventually

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confessed to the crimes and was convicted, but his case was appealed all the way to the US Supreme

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Court in which they ultimately ruled that his confession was not admissible because he had

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not been informed of his rights. Damn. After this ruling, police became required to read a standard

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set of rights to a suspect before any questioning could take place, a.k.a. the Miranda rights.

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Cool. Thanks for that though, because I didn't know what the origin was. Yeah, I didn't either.

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And I asked Casey last night, I said, do you know when the Miranda rights became a thing? And he

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was like, I don't know, like pretty recently. I was like, yeah, it's like the sixties. He's like, yeah.

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So instead of leaving around 6 30 after finding out that he was a suspect,

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Jack continued to talk to FBI agents and argue his point that he was innocent. Hello. Well,

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this would continue for the next several hours. And around midnight, Agent James R. Wagner finally

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had enough stating, quote, you've been lying to us all night. We are going to charge you with this

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crime. Why not make it easy for us? To which Jack stoically replied, quote, where do you want me

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to start? Damn. I'll give you. No. Jack began telling the FBI that he put together a bomb consisting

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of 25 sticks of commercial dynamite, two blaster caps, a timer with the max capability of 90 minutes

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and a small battery. He admitted that he wrapped up the device to look like a Christmas present

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and placed it in his mom's luggage before driving her to the airport, stating about this, quote,

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I then wrapped about three or four feet of binding cord around the sack of dynamite to hold the

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dynamite sticks in place around the caps. The purpose of the two caps was in case one of the

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caps failed to function and ignite the dynamite. I placed the suitcase in the trunk of my car with

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another smaller suitcase, which my mother had packed to take with her on the trip. End quote.

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He had set the timer for 90 minutes immediately before putting it into the bag. He recalled

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thinking that he had to hurry in order to get his mother on the plane and in flight before the 90

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minutes was up. Right. Like that could have gone off in the fucking airport. Right. I mean, he still

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killed 50 fucking people. But after he dropped his mother off at the terminal, he went to the coffee

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shop in the airport and had some coffee and donuts. He told the FBI here, remembered watching his

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mother walk toward the plane saying quote, I watched her go off for the last time. I felt happier

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that I ever felt in my life. Oh my God. Jack admitted to not even giving a second thought about

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the other 43 people that would be on the plane and ultimately would die from his actions. On top of

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his matter of fact explanation about the events that transpired on that day, perhaps the most

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shocking thing FBI agents would hear was that Jack's only regret was that the plane had a 10

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minute delay causing it to crash in the beat field rather than the Rocky Mountains. Oh, he wanted

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them just to not be found. He was bummed because if the plane crashed into the mountains, it would

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have been much harder to investigate. Yeah. I just got like the chills. When interviewed later by

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psychiatrist about the amount of people that he put into harm's way for his own gain, Jack said

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calmly quote, the number of people to be killed made no difference to me. It could have been 1000

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when their time comes. There's nothing they can do about it. When their time comes, not when you

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make it happen. Yeah, he just really fucking hated his mom. He really did. When Jack heard the news

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about the plane explosion back at home, the same neighbor that had been interviewed recalled Jack

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turning pale white and uttering the statement quote, that is it. I know. Shortly after the crash,

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a representative from United Airlines contacted Jack to let him know that they believed his

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mother was a victim of this plane crash to which Jack responded quote, well, that's the way it goes.

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That's the way the cookie crumbles like so fucking like, yeah, monotone, you know, completely

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dissociative. Yeah. During this questioning, Jack would also provide the FBI with detailed reports

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of where he bought the bomb parts, which were later determined confirmed by hardware store clerks.

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On November 14, 1955, a complaint was filed before a US commissioner at Denver by a special

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agent charging Jack Gilbert Graham with sabotage. I'll explain why in a second. Jack appeared

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before the commissioner where he was advised of the charges against him and afforded an opportunity

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to make bond at $100,000. He was unable to make bond and was actually then committed to the custody

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of the US Marshal in lieu of bond. On November 17, 1955, Jack Gilbert Graham was charged with one

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count of murder of his mother. Authorities were actually shocked to discover that there was no

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federal statute on the books at the time that made it a crime to blow up an airplane. Therefore,

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the murder charge of his mother was the only charge they could place on him at the time of his arrest.

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Like they were just like, they just happened to be casualties of this other thing. But since

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she was a target, yeah, like blowing up an airplane is not a crime. So all the people that died on

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board, like you didn't murder them. They just happened to be on the plane crash. They just

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happened to be on the plane. Yeah. Of course they changed that afterwards. Yeah, still illegal.

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Like we can't just be doing that. Okay. Yeah, can't just be doing that. He would be arraigned in

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December 1955 to which he entered pleas of innocent and innocent by reason of insanity.

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Wait, but he, okay, go ahead. Shortly after his arrest, Denver radio station KDEN owner

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Gene Amole and Rocky Mountain News photographer Maury Engle arranged to sneak a camera into the

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county jail for an interview of Jack during a reunion with his wife, Gloria. They wanted it on

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camera. It's like 1950s. Yeah. I mean, who could afford cameras for seriously with the interviewers?

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Fuck, TV station. I like how you just like sneak that in. Like now you can fit like cameras on

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the head of a pin. Yeah, like then it was like this big fucking coffee set. He's like a giant trench

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code. Yeah. Jack was recorded saying to his wife, quote, I love my mother very much. She meant a lot

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to me. It's very hard for me to tell exactly how I feel. She left so much of herself behind.

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When Amole asked Jack why he signed a confession, he stated that the FBI had threatened to point

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out inconsistencies and statements made by his wife when she was interviewed by authorities.

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He stated, quote, I was not about to let them touch her in any way, shape or form.

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So now he's trying to say like, oh, I confess because I was protecting my wife. I'm protecting

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people. Although they brought the interview back with them, none of the Denver TV stations would

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agree to air it believing that it might spark sympathy for Jack. Like, oh, he was just trying to

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take care of his wife. With Jack's confession on the table, the prosecution believed it would be

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an open and shut case from the get go. The FBI, United Airlines and the DA wanted Jack tried,

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found guilty and executed quickly as a quote deterrent to others who might plan copycat murders.

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Yeah, absolutely. Just like this is looking to happen if you fucking do that shit.

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However, just days after his arrest and this interview, Jack would recant his confession

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in an interview that appeared in the Rocky Mountain News under the headline, quote,

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dynamiter changes his story. Dynamiter. Dynamiter. Like it's a fucking verb. Yes. Me, the dynamite.

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Me, the dynamite off. I always think that recanting a confession is hilarious. It's like,

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but you already said it. Yeah, it's like, oh, now you're not okay. Now we believe you because

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now you didn't do it. Okay, we're gonna believe you the second time. Yeah. Not the first time you

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told us. But the second time. Jack's change of heart and the amount of evidence piling up against

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him throughout the months leading up to his trial led to a downward spiral. On February 10th, 1956,

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Jack was found by guards on the floor of his cell with his socks twisted around his neck

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and was taken to the state hospital in Pueblo. Oh, wow. It's not clear if he was really suicidal or

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if this was another attempt to make himself seem insane because he was really trying for the insane

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defense. Yeah. But he was transferred back to a psychiatric unit at Colorado General Hospital

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with 24 hours surveillance after this. So he lived while there. Jack was evaluated by psychiatrist

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and during a series of interviews to determine his mental state, doctors concluded that Jack was

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putting on an act claiming his quote, patchy amnesia intermittent disorientation and absurd as well as

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correct answers to arrhythmic problems were all an attempt to make him seem crazy. So again,

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he's playing it up. In conclusion to these interviews, psychiatrists determined that he was

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indeed fit to stand trial. Jack would drop his insanity plea on February 24th, 1956,

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and his trial would begin on April 16th, 1956. This trial would actually become the first ever

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criminal trial to be televised in America. Whoa. That's interesting. So the judge actually had

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a remote in which they could use to turn the cameras on and off as necessary in case obviously

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content warning and stuff. And only one person opted out of being recorded on camera. Jack.

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What? So they asked, of course, everyone, are you comfortable being filmed? And he was like,

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no, not coming. Not me. Not me. No, I don't want to be on camera. Thank you. Stupid.

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The trial also set an all time record for the number of jurors examined for a Colorado

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trial with 231 examined for bias. Wow. Over a 15 day trial, witnesses testified to Jack's purchase

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of dynamite and other bomb making materials and testified as character witnesses for the prosecution.

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Jack refused to testify on his own behalf. Usually they're like jumping at the chance.

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Yeah, they love it. They love it. Or sometimes they're their own defense attorneys. True.

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At one point during the trial, the judge and jury were even brought to the massive hangar

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that the airplane had been reconstructed at to show them that the explosion could not have

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been accidental. That's interesting. On May 5th, after hearing 80 witnesses and examining 174

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pieces of evidence, the jury was left to render their verdict. In just over an hour, 69 minutes

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to be exact, the jury would find Jack Gilbert Graham guilty with a recommendation of the death

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penalty. Whoa. Though his attorneys advised against it, Jack waived his right to all of his appeals.

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And on May 15th, 1956, he was sent to Colorado's Death Row in Canyon City.

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He didn't want an appeal. He was like, no, I'm fine. Jack adapted to life on Death Row

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relatively well and was actually pleased to have a larger cell than he had in Denver. He's like,

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this is cozy. This is really nice. So nice. Other place sucked. Remember when we lived there?

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That place sucked. While in prison, he never expressed any sort of remorse for his crimes,

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and he kept to himself for the most part. On October 7th, 1858, 1956,

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Whoa. I was like, are we going to Great Grandpa now? October 7th, 1956, a fellow inmate tried to push

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us. A fellow inmate.

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I was just going to keep going with that. It's not even from a child. I'm a child.

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I was going to keep going, but I said, push.

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This is actually kind of fucked up. A fellow inmate tried to push religious

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insight on Jack while talking to him, to which Jack responded, quote,

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what do I need with that stuff where I'm going? It won't do me any good in hell. Whoa. Yikes.

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It's not my fault that she died on the plane. It's not my fault the timer only went up to 90 minutes.

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Jack did not make any decisions about his final meal, although the prison did provide him with steak,

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fried potatoes, tossed salad, fruit, and ice cream. Jack rebelled by only consuming the

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ice cream and leaving the rest of the food. What a child. He's like, I just want ice cream.

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That's awful. That is bad. Sorry. In one of his last interviews, Jack jokingly invited a Denver

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Post reporter who had covered his trial to sit on his lap during his execution as one of his last

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requests. Come take a sit on Papa's lap. Come sit on my lap for my execution. He chose the gas chamber,

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by the way. Oh, you can still choose. Yeah, you get to choose. I don't know you could choose.

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Yeah. Today they still make you, they still let you choose today. Really? Mm-hmm.

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On January 11th, 1957, Jack was led to the Colorado State Penitentiary's gas chamber,

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where guards removed all of his clothing, leaving only his underwear. Prison officials then strapped

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him to a chair and covered his eyes with a mask. Warden Harry Tensley was noted as saying, quote,

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God bless to Jack, who replied, quote, thank you. Jack Gilbert Graham breathed in poison gas for 11

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minutes. 11 minutes? Until he died. Ironic, because that's how long the flight was in the air before

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the bomb exploded. What? I'm gonna throw this fucking table. What? Wow. I didn't even get the

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heaps. I got like a wave of like hot. Yeah. Isn't that wild? Ironically, as well, Jack was able to

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turn his own death into insurance money for his wife and children. Cute. So he took out an insurance

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policy on himself for his wife and children. When he passed, he actually left them, their,

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them his estate as well and inherited all that money. All daisies stuff, though. Yeah, exactly.

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And he was never diagnosed with any mental illness. Wow. That's the wild story. Clearly,

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personality disorder. Oh, yeah. I what do you think? Anti social. Anti social. Yeah. I mean,

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with the amount of but then again, wife and two kids, although he did, he was noted as potentially,

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physically or verbally abusing his wife, being able to maintain a relationship at all is not

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a something really different for anti social personality disorder. It also reminded me a lot

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of H H to the fact that he would just go around scamming people seemingly like I mean, using

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people's loved ones to gain money from you know, hospitals or whatever. And I mean, he probably

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killed multiple people and then sold their bodies to hospitals and yeah, just not having any kind

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of empathy or sympathy for anyone and just scamming people. That's definitely a symptom of

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anti social personality is like the lack the complete lack of empathy and like the lack of

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care like that's why he like he didn't even use his appeals. Yeah, he didn't care to even try.

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He's like, isn't trying to find God. He's like, what is that fucking gonna do me any good?

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Did I'm going you know, matter that he was also going to kill 40 plus people. Oh, yeah, he said

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it could have been 1000 people. I still would have done it like that kind of mindset. Wow.

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Yeah, definitely one that I saw though. And I was like, I have to do this case like very interesting

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wild and I had never heard anything like that. You know, like I haven't there there's been

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there was like one well known case of it happening before him which they kind of think he might have

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gotten inspiration from and then there was like four after him but like other than that there's

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only really been like a couple and especially now like this virtually impossible to do that now

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right with how much security there is but yeah, that's incredible. And I don't want to victim

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blame at all. I don't think that I mean of course Daisy didn't deserve to die. Nobody on that plane

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deserve to die. I don't agree with her leaving him in the orphanage when she came into money though

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because if her claims were true that she really couldn't afford to feed him. That makes a little

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bit more sense but then when she finds the wealth and has the money like not taking him out. Yeah.

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It kind of seemed to me like she didn't really want to be a mom. Yeah, that sounds bad but and

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you know it could have been I guess it could have been worse but he definitely not an excuse at all

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to do what he did even the even the restaurant thing is an excusable you know and little thing.

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He was born in the 30s right and I think that it was very common for people to give up their

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children because of the Great Depression and things like that. So it might just been a cultural

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like a just a difference of the time. Yeah, definitely. And the the fact that he was raised

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in such poverty and in the depression it kind of it makes me think that's probably why he was so

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infatuated with money. Yeah. Because he never had it growing up you know and he just didn't want he

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didn't handle authority well because usually because he never had it really. But I was gonna say

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in some cases like this though like a lot of these people joined the military and they thrive on

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the structure you know like the routine but he didn't it was like the opposite because I'm not

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gonna be told what to fucking do like his dad died before he even remembered who he was you know he

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didn't have that any kind of good parental figure in his life. I don't want to say Daisy wasn't a

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good mom because she was I think she did what she had to do under the circumstances. Yeah and you

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had even mentioned when he did finally go to prison that he kind of just fell into a routine and

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then just you know he never had structure like you said. Yeah and I don't think that the prison I

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don't think that the structure or routine of prison I don't think he thrived on that I just think he

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just gave up like he didn't fucking give a shit anymore he's like okay like I'm here for the rest

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of my life like I'm not gonna worry like the same thing with the religious thing I'm not gonna

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worry about getting a little bit I'm not gonna worry about having a last meal what does it

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fucking matter like he doesn't even matter you know and I think that's how he kind of felt in

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his life too like I'll go AWOL in the military what does it fucking matter I'll kill a thousand

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people what does it matter like I don't fucking care like I think honestly like it might have been

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like a I want to die anyway kind of feeling you know and it's really unfortunate well I know I feel

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like so bad for him like as a kid but again can't excuse the behavior that the adult made right you

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know well thank you guys for sticking with us yeah a great case it's definitely a a trip yeah thanks

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we will be back on Monday I'm going out of town but that's why we're recording these early so that

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I can see us I will actually be out of town when you guys hear this so and we'll be back on Monday

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with another mental breaky we always try to allow this to be accessible for most people and I think

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that's what a lot of people enjoy about our podcast is that we're not very graphic however

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all you savages out there everybody wants the uh everybody wants the nitty gritty details so I

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think we're gonna do some cases that we have kind of taken off of our list for the time being just

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because of the content itself and some of them don't fit the bill yeah like the toy box killer

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you know I forgot to mention to Frankie that I personally wasn't going to cover that on the

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regular streaming podcast because he was never convicted of any murders however I'm happy to

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cover it for a patreon bonus yeah that'd be interesting yeah so I think we could and that'll

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be kind of a way for us to get like outside of our theme a little bit right and and have an extra

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episode all right sounds good well we will talk to y'all later get your tickets let us know if

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you're gonna see us in august super excited about that sure and we will see you guys on Monday yeah

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