Hello hello hello. Yes, let's fucking go!
Hello! Hello! That was me after an hour finally figuring out our audio because
the software that we used to record updated without my knowledge and so when we came to
record it wasn't fucking working. Yeah. We were getting so frustrated and we have kind of a
time crunch for this episode and so we were like oh my gosh we better figure this out like right now.
It's so true yeah. Kenna was out of commission for the last like two days and so we are recording
this and you will hear it tonight at midnight. Yep exactly. So yeah time crunch it's always
like when we're in a rush right? Yeah. When we're in a rush it's always something going on here.
It's just like tier one too like tier one IT it's like oh is it plugged in? Oh unplug it plug it
back in. No for real. Restart your computer like just a bunch of shit like that usually. I restarted
our software probably eight times I redownloaded it I deleted it redownloaded it restarted my
computer like unplugged and plugged everything I was getting really frustrated and finally
figured it out that's why you heard me in the beginning going let's fucking go because I
really made it work. So now we are back with another episode of Diagnosing a Killer. My name
is Kenna. I'm Koelle and we are super fucking excited for this. So excited. Episode to air. I
know you guys have probably seen on social media that we've been talking about a collab we have
mentioned in our last couple episodes. Do you want to tell everyone the spoiler alert and who we're
collabing with and what we're talking about? Yeah so we are working with Moviecation. I'm sure
some of y'all have seen that on the Instagram. So essentially what we're gonna do is we are going
to talk about a true crime case that has inspired movies or specifically a movie that Movication
will go over. I'll let them do that portion. If you don't know Movication is Brady, Cole, Joe,
and Tyler and they give their opinions and reviews on movies. They actually as far as I know have
reformatted kind of what they're gonna be doing. They were talking about like current films or current
TV shows. A bunch of funny dudes. They're hilarious. I love listening to them. Check out their Academy
Award episode is probably like my favorite. It's just so funny. So they essentially are going to be
tackling one film, an older film, that is in relation to the case that we're talking about today. So I
think that they're gonna probably go for that. I think just you know one movie and then all four
of them talk about it and give their opinions. So I'm excited to listen to their episode as well.
Same. Yeah and we'll be talking about of course deep dive into the case and the psychology of this
person and then at the very end we will give our kind of take on the movies because I actually
fucking watched them. I am you know, I'm sure listeners recognize that I don't watch a lot of
movies and I haven't and so I actually spent my time. I again like Cole said I was out of
commission for the last two days. I had a medical procedure nothing crazy but I kept me in bed at
least for a whole day so I was like oh perfect now I can watch these movies and get my real opinion
and yeah. So really excited about that. So make sure you guys like, subscribe, a move to
a vacation. You can find them anywhere you listen to podcasts. Yeah absolutely and of course Instagram
as well. You can just we tag them in our post so you can follow them as well. And they love responding
too. I feel like every time you and I comment or they have a comment they're pretty quick to respond
like all that good stuff. So they're really like they really respond quickly. Yeah definitely and
speaking of social media you guys can find us on social media anywhere at Diagnosing a Killer.
Twitter is at Killer Diagnosis. We do have a Patreon setup. We have our stickers and business cards
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subscribe to the Patreon you will get a sticker immediately sent to you. We have email at Diagnosing
a Killer at Gmail and then of course you know anywhere else Diagnosing a Killer at Google
as you can find us. I've been looking up like I've been in vain and like googling us and then like
our names pop up and everything. I know. Oh my god. The images too. Right. So I do have one email
actually and one very nice direct message on Instagram that I would like to read before we get
started. The email actually came from Frankie. She said it was okay to use her name. From Franklin.
So Frankie said Coco and Kenna I'm writing to you from a plane going on vacation to Portland
Oregon and last time I took a trip out there the soundtrack to my flights back and forth was the
podcast so I'm making it a tradition and doing it again. I've got John Wayne Gacy on to kick off
the flight out of San Antonio and since I've got a little time I figured I could finally send out
an email to you guys. A little throwback to some of the earlier episodes when Kenna would say quote
we're practically celebrities we're famous now. I see Coel pretty consistently when I come out to
our regular bar and she's one of my dearest friends so she dazzles me all the time but since
I started listening to the podcast about six months ago Kenna I hadn't gotten to see you in a while.
Just a quick little wave from the car once or twice and it started to feel like ooh Kenna's
so elusive. It's like a celebrity sighting and then when you finally came out recently and we
were talking about the podcast it almost felt like a celebrity meet and greet where I got to hear
some of the behind the scenes stuff and bra it was so cool. So Kenna you've done it you've reached
celebrity status lol. If Frankie says that it's true. I love that. If Frankie says that it's true.
Thank you. She goes anyhow just wanted to drop in and say I've been loving the podcast and for a
future recommendation I've just recently learned about maybe the most chilling case I've ever
come across and would love to see you guys cover this one somewhere down the line. David Parker
Ray aka the Toybox Killer. You're gonna have to do that one I don't know nothing about it. Oh it's
it's bad. She continues even just briefly hearing about this one gave me as Kenna says the full body
heaps in all caps and I didn't even get the whole story high key I heard enough to chill me to the
bone and said nope gonna wait for my deep dive for the deep dive for my girl's lol anyhow anyhow
it's been over a week since I started writing you guys this email because I'm a terrible procrastinator
lol but I just wanted to say the podcast is amazing love you babes xoxo Frankie. Love you Frankie.
Love you that was so sweet and honestly um that case is chilling I remember listening to an episode
of it was like a two-parter three-parter episode that I listened to about him and man it is heavy
so I will say I am down to research and bring that case however the details that you probably
heard um really graphic stuff I will probably won't include just because it's really bad.
However I'm down because it's a very interesting case it really is and this guy's like like one
of the worst in my opinion yeah so thank you Frankie for that lovely email. Thanks Frankie.
Next I just want to really quickly read a DM from Instagram this is from one of Cameron's old
old friends from high school they were actually in dance together in high school and they were
seniors when I was a freshman so I got to dance with her as well not with her but you know in the
same year so her name is Leah and Leah messaged us and said Kenna I'm way late to your podcast
party but I'm here now I I've binged all y'all's episodes and I love it in my head you're still
a baby freshman on pep squad and I feel like a proud dance team big sister literally listening
to the episode with your mom right now and I had no idea your mom was in healthcare admin samezies
and oh my god yes there's absolutely not enough mental health resources when I worked in the ER
and we get a psychiatric patient the poor patient would end up sitting in the ER for 24 plus hours
waiting on a bed in a mental health facility we hated it we weren't doing the patient any good
and it broke my heart that we couldn't actively provide the help that they needed that sucks honestly
because she continues anyways I just wanted to pop in and say hi and that I'm so proud of you
and Koel who has no idea who I am she goes I love this show keep it up PS I'd vote for your mom for
governor she goes pps it made me smile a few episodes ago when Koel mentioned that cam had cut
her hair when she was young and it looked really good not shocking she had to do my hair most of
the time during pep squad and then she went away I guess and came back it goes I lied I'm back
fuck that insurance company and I'll stop live responding to the episode now so thank you Leah
that's really sweet thank you and yeah honestly like I mean if you guys haven't listened to our
da k live episode our mom was our guest host our guest star if you will and we talked about you
know her past positions work wise and just how shitty the system is when it comes to mental
health care yeah but yeah that's all I had do you have anything else before we get into this case
mom for governor yeah yeah I think uh just the only other thing that I kind of wanted a
pepper in was uh big things coming up hopefully maybe by august we may have a pretty big announcement
hint hint yes so I'm excited I'm really excited we will see yeah we're gonna try to um really get
some get ourselves out there I guess if you will and really just try to interact with more of you
guys so I'm excited about that me too well without further ado I am going to close out my windows
showing me how to work the software I'm gonna pull up my research before we begin this episode I just
want to put a blanket content warning we said we're trying to do this before every episode this
episode will contain content of manipulation of people after they are deceased and um abuse and
neglect and childhood to minor also included in this episode are content of animal abuse as well
if those topics make you uncomfortable we do encourage you to check out any one of our other
episodes and thank you for joining us love you love you bye so well knows of course what we're
doing today because of our collaboration um but for the listeners and I'm sure you saw by the name
of the episode today we are going to be talking about Edward Theodorgin Theodoll Theodoll more
commonly known as Ed Gein so that is the person we will be talking about today and I'm sure you can
figure out the movies that we're gonna talk about as well um but let's get into this case let's do it
on the morning of November 16th 1957 Plainfield hardware store owner Bernice Warden disappeared
a Plainfield resident reported to police that the hardware store truck had been driven out of the
rear of the building around 9 30 a.m. the same day the store had had a few customers for the entire
day and a slow day for the business local residents believed it was slow because deer season had just
opened up and they figured that most people were out hunting Bernice Warden's son becoming worried
about his mother entered the store around 5 p.m. to find the store's cash register open and blood
stains on the floor oh frank frank is her son frank told investigators that on the evening before
his mother's disappearance a man he knew had been in the store and that he was supposed to return
the next morning to pick up a gallon of antifreeze what kind of a oh this is a hardware store yes
I don't know why I thought flour shot I'm scared upon looking into it further a sales slip for a
gallon of antifreeze was the last receipt written by Bernice on the morning she disappeared oh well
Frank Warden Bernice's son just so happened to be a deputy sheriff so the entire task force
zeroed in on the suspected perpetrator that Frank was able to name himself the person of interest
in the murder was none other than Edward Theodore Gein so we're gonna talk about Ed Gein why would
he do okay okay I'm gonna wait I'm gonna wait did he not know sorry did go ahead did he not know
that I mean I don't know what I'm just throwing it out there it is diagnosing a killer not diagnosing
a kidnapping kidnapper didn't he know that like the woman's son was a sheriff and the I'm sure he
didn't care probably didn't give a shit okay all right all right that's all okay I'll be quiet
Edward Theodore Gein was born in La Crosse Wisconsin on August 27th 1906 to George Philip Gein in
Augusta Wilhelmine Wilhelmine Gein I don't know how to say that middle name I think it's Wilhelmine
like German it's it's all W's yeah Edward was the second of two boys his older brother being Henry
George Gein born in 1901 he's the oldest of how many I'm sorry two two oh okay no he was a second of
two so he's an older brother yeah an older brother Henry okay sorry in 1901 Henry was born isn't that
wild 1901 it's ancient when Augusta and George married she was very adamant against sex and
sexuality but she really longed to be a mother so it was okay for her well I mean she only had to
have sex twice true she's like give her a wish please yeah however it was when Henry was born
it is noted that Augusta felt really detached from Henry um because he was a boy and she would
she prayed that God would give her a daughter which is why they tried a second time for a second
child so she well so she only really wanted one child yeah if she wanted a little girl okay um
but then they had a voice George yeah yeah what a peach yeah George Philip the boy's father was a
terrible alcoholic who was unable to keep a job due to it although he did work at various times as a
carpenter tanner and insurance salesman and mother Augusta operated a small grocery store that she
actually had George had owned the grocery store at one point and was unable to keep it because of
his drinking and she took over the store so she would work at the grocery store okay um however
this household was notably different than others of the time as Edward's mother was the ruler of the
home with an iron fist if you will and did not waste any time teaching the boys about her extreme
devotion to her Lutheran faith hmm so she was she was wore the pants essentially no that's not really
that's kind of an outdated term but she did um it was what she says goes and you're gonna think
about how I think yeah she would consistently preach to her sons about the innate immortality
of the world the evil of drinking and especially her belief that all women apart from herself
were naturally promiscuous prostitutes and instruments of the devil great we're off to a
great start and she was Lutheran that doesn't even sound like Lutheran and she sounds like
something else she's like I'm perfect but all the women are trash and don't trust any of them you
know the bible says to be obedient to your parents oh sure she took that to heart I'm sure she did
Augusta would reserve time every afternoon to read the bible for the boys usually choosing
verses from the old testament and the book of revelation concerning death murder and divine
retribution cool put it in her mind it's a real strong start god it's awful I mean it's it's
really not funny it's actually really sad because like especially and of course considering what
happens later he like didn't have a fucking chance you know I neither did Henry but we'll see what
happens uh-oh I can't stand that all like fire like it's terrifying your children really especially
was something as it pertains to religion something that is supposed to be uh like guide
guideful like helpful exactly to use all of the negative things is like be like don't sin or you're
gonna die geez don't have sex you will get chlamydia and you will die on top of this due to George's
alcoholism Augusta despised him and took over again his role as head honcho at the home this
reign in the home and practicing of the bad parts of religion in my opinion went on for many years
and I guess Augusta kind of realized that the boys were beginning to when they were getting older
they were beginning to like take information from others that they had met in the community like
in school and started to like think about other beliefs rather than just hers yeah um and she
didn't like that of course like no you can't listen to anybody else I'm right everyone else is wrong
like don't take advice from people she was essentially telling them like don't talk to
anybody when you're out of the house wasn't that not yeah it was kind of Susan Smith right what it
was well it was her husband David remember his mom was like super religious and you know
eventually you know his parents split yeah um in 1915 when Edward was nine Augusta made the
decision to move the whole family to a ranch that she had purchased on the outskirts of town
seemingly to isolate the boys from being influenced by others in the community one of her other
reasons for moving is that she also referred to lacrosse as a quote sinkhole of filth seemingly
like rationalizing her decision she's like oh that place is gross for you this woman sounds like a joy
yeah she's gonna like spend a day with her she's great I should watch a DVD of her life
well Edward wanted to this 155 acre ranch was located in the small town of plainfield Wisconsin
after moving here Augusta got her wish and the boys became completely isolated with the exception
of going to school and back which honestly I'm surprised she didn't try to like homeschool them
yeah that is surprising when they were not actively at school their lives consisted of chores and
listening to the religious preachings of Augusta due to this isolation and lack of social gatherings
Edward quickly became a target at school and he was frequently teased by his classmates for being
like a weirdo essentially it's not even his fault he's a weirdo it's for faults um he was noted
as being particularly effeminate and socially awkward this is a quote with a lazy eye and a
speech impediment so he didn't really have a lot of stuff going for him um he actually also had a
growth over his left eye and his speech was stunted due to a lesion on his tongue a lesion on his
tongue so not only are they giving their children you know all these negative ideolations they probably
don't believe in chores they probably aren't taking care of them like health wise it's definitely
neglect and abuse on top of this it was noted by classmates and teachers alike that Edward would
laugh at like random times for no reason seemingly it kind of seemed like he was reacting to like a
joke that like no one else had heard yeah like it was okay like he was hearing things maybe yeah
maybe he was like he just thinks he's funny he's like making jokes and he's like oh well you know
like what we've discussed uh laughter as being a symptom of seizures it could be yeah absolutely yeah
and yeah it that's very well might be and that if it that is the case it makes a lot of sense
for his you can stunted frontal lobe development you can ask mom when i was like young like an
elementary school that i used to just like laugh like that yeah and um although i only maybe remember
one instance of it happening yeah but given Cameron's history of seizures at that same age
i wonder if it's not correlated yeah yeah no definitely i think about that too not that he
was really able to form connections to begin with but to add insult to injury his mother would scold
him when he would try to make any friends at school like she'd be like you can't talk to that person
what are you doing like how dare you try to make friends reminds me about wife swap lady
she's dark saddened god i love that shit that woman uh not terrible augusta was known kind of
by people in the community to be verbally abusive in other situations as well it is noted that one
time edward came home from school crying due to the amount of bullying that he was experiencing
and in response to this augusta berated him and his father actually hit him over the head for crying
kind of like man up kind of thing what i think his mom was like oh he's oh you got to do something
about this to the dad you know so it's like okay i'll be the verbally abusive one and you can be
the physically abusive one and then we've got like all the edges covered there yeah you know like all
the bases covered now because of his inability to be social or you know of course with his mother's
response to that um edward actually wound up having a number of imaginary friends in childhood
which is i mean reasonable of course that makes sense yeah our brains are kind of hardwired for
the most part to be social yeah no for sure and it's i mean all he has is his brother literally
he can't talk to his parents you know about anything and they were they're like four or five years
apart son yes they're five years apart five years apart okay now despite all of these hardships he
was experiencing edward actually did really well in school particularly in reading which he excelled
at edward continued to attend school with this isolated home life but in 1920 after completing
the eighth grade he actually quit school altogether to begin working on the family farm so i kind of
seemed like it kind of seems like that was maybe suggested by his parents like you're old enough
now to like really help us with the physical labor and things like that i'm sure that's definitely
what one of their goals was was like you know legally we can't not let you go to school yeah
or out to a certain point you know well i don't know how it was in 1920 i'm sure children were
expected to be in school yeah homeschooling probably wasn't even a thing probably not yeah you know
what your riot didn't think about that um but it makes sense to deal with their own self into reading
because it's like another like another world escaped to another world yeah and it's like internal
as well now despite all of the terrible behavior by his mother edward actually idolized her growing
up and this was a fact that concerned his older brother henry as he was the only one of the two
boys that ever stood up for them edward would pretty much just take it yeah for lack of a
better phrase and henry would stand up for the two of them yeah interesting now between 1920
and 1940 there's actually really not much known about edwards home life but seemingly during this
time he was still working on the farm the whole time not really having any stepping stones to get
out of the family business and into the real world um and henry was also still at the family home so
again they really only had each other to talk to and rely on i mean they're in their adults like
then they're 30 and they're 30 yeah huh and at this point it was also noted that their mother
consistently treated them similarly to when they were kids um and she would pretty much say that
they were going to become just like their father growing when they grew up um yeah just wait a
few more years you'll be an alcoholic and you'll be abusive too now on april 1st 1940 when ed was
34 years old his father george actually died of heart failure causing caused by his alcoholism at age
66 that's young for yeah so at this point with their father deceased ed and henry began doing
odd jobs around town in order to help their mother with living expenses because they were
consistently going into town to do odd jobs the boys were actually really well known around town
as being reliable and honest they were you know honest workers those geen brothers yeah um well
both brothers worked as handymen ed also frequently babysat for neighbors something he really liked
doing because he seemed to relate more to children than adults at this time yeah which explains the
i mean his brain is probably underdeveloped considering the abuse it's like peter pan
syndrome almost like if especially if you never had a childhood yeah you know exactly michael jackson
syndrome right also um imagine fucking being babysat by edgie and like later in life you're
like oh shit that was my baby sitter like yikes that's awkward you're like oh my god that's i
never even thought about that yeah you imagine uh um a few years later henry began dating a
divorced mother of two and eventually planned on moving in with her although he worried about ed's
attachment to their mother he would still often speak ill about augusta in front of ed well ed
did not like the fact that henry was still talking ill about their mother and he responded with shock
and hurt from his brother's words he was like don't talk about her like that you're an asshole
that's so interesting to me is it just because you become so desensitized to the abuse you still
well i mean we've talked about it before that it's you always want to you're always trying to seek
that approval right and then maybe if you know maybe if you respect that person and you don't
talk ill about that person maybe they'll respect you back well yeah i mean he is i don't know what
the difference is with henry and ed but since he was little like ed has been told by his mother that
she is perfect and all other women are bad it's true not only i feel like it's also maybe like a
stockholm syndrome or eddipus complex like maybe a little bit of both yeah like it's norman bates
yeah it's definitely norman bates i know that name i just haven't oh psycho oh yeah i have seen the
movie yeah that was silly do you think that well maybe that'll tie in too i should google it yeah
maybe and it's also the younger one though so maybe when henry was younger and then five years
between him and ed him being more and ed being more maybe her his mom didn't preach that to him
in those five years those are formidable years and then when ed was born maybe she did i don't know
but yeah it's just a wonder why ed became very infatuated and like obsessed with his mom and
henry became very detached right like this same household it's it's true though yeah i mean not
to you know i would love moviecation to do psycho that'd be hilarious the old one and the new one
the new one with vince vaughn but yeah that's in psycho it's his mom has died and he preserves
his mother like he has his mother's skeleton in the basement no that's it might be okay because
because it might be yeah psycho was in like the 1960s so i wonder it could very well be based off
of edgene so yeah norman bates keeps his mom like in a basement like just dead mom like the skeleton
and then like throughout the movie you think it's the mom committing murders because he dresses up
like in her wigs and her gowns but yeah so he'll like go around instead of like the bates motel
and he'll go around like murdering okay so i like he murdered this woman and then you think it's the
mom the whole time killing and then you realize at the end that the mom's dead and he dresses up
like his mom because he idolizes mom because his mom always told him he was perfect and like
you're perfect and i'm perfect and i'm your mother and blah blah like he was obsessed with his own
mother might be loosely based on it because it's not exactly the same but also when i said earlier
that i had seen psycho i was mistaken i've seen american psycho i've never seen the movie psych oh
yeah no not americans i go it's like the one that's like yeah in the shower the shower scene okay and
then ann haysian vent von vent von plays norman bates and the remake and ann hays is the one that
he murders damn yeah and then there's like this detective that's like going around looking for
her and stuff like that because she's missing i think she has like a fiance we should just like
partner up with mivication and do the whole episode with that be fun all right so going back to the
case um now of course i just said that ed did not care for henry when he was talking negatively
about his mother oh is that foreshadowing on may 16th oh no here comes the date you know when we
pull out a date y'all someone's dying oh god don't laugh okay it's what march on may 16th 1944
henry and ed were reportedly burning marsh vegetation on the property and the fire got out
of control drawing the attention of the local fire department the two boys were working together
to control the fire and when it was finally extinguished ed had lost sight of henry uh-oh
he immediately reported his brother as missing to the police and when they arrived with a search
party ed goes essentially oh i don't know where he could be let's just check over here and then he
was there on this big property so ed led them directly to his missing brother after claiming
that he didn't know where he was unfortunately the police stumbled upon henry who was found dead on
the ground face down police became concerned about the circumstances by which they located
henry of course because ed claimed he didn't know where he was and then led them immediately to him
also he said he must have died from the fire yeah the fire must have that's what i was gonna ask
what the cause of death was yes and police um would become more increasingly concerned with the
fact that henry had bruises on his head and actually no signs of smoke inhalation or burns
oh despite this the police dismissed the possibility that there was any foul play involved
and the bounty coroner listed asphyxiation as the cause of death yeah we didn't find any evidence
of that but we're gonna label it as an exciseation for sure yeah um not blood forced trauma apparently
investigators also suggested that henry had been dead for some time and that this cause of death
was not due to the fire sometime meaning like a few hours maybe like maybe right before the fire
right not days but yeah however no autopsy was ever done and they closed the case and nothing came
of it seems legit around here yeah nothing to see here it's fine yeah just barry them they're
probably fucking scared of ed they're like oh shit don't talk about his mom yeah it was not
suspected until many years later that ed might have been the perpetrator and the murder of his
brother so he wasn't really like a suspect ever there wasn't any suspect because they didn't
think it was foul play yeah they didn't they surely couldn't it surely couldn't have been ed
because the boys were known about town right yes not boys they're men but brothers now with his
father and brother gone ed was left in isolation with augusta and the two stayed at the home together
shortly after henry's death augusta would actually have a paralyzing stroke oh wow it didn't kill her
but of course paralyzed her yeah and after this incident ed devoted himself to taking care of
her being her full-time caregiver norman mates of course ed later recounts that sometime in 1945
so a year after henry died he and his mother visited a man named smith who lived nearby to
purchase him straw for his name is just smith i guess they called him smith they called him other
last names i guess oh my name smith just smith according to ed augusta had witnessed smith beating
a dog a woman inside the smith home came outside and yelled for him to stop but smith unfortunately
would beat the dog to death right in front of all three of them oh my god augusta was extremely
upset by this scene however what bothered her did not appear to be the brutality toward the dog
but rather the presence of the woman telling him to stop she was like how dare you tell a man what
to do he can do whatever he wants to do and your trash for coming out here and interrupting his
yeah fuck what's kind of backwards as my set is cast she says augusta told ed that the woman was
not married to smith so she had no business being there and she angrily called her this is a quote
smith's harlot oh damn yeah she was serious when she said that she was and like what the fuck she's
like oh you're not married to him so you have no business telling him what to do like bitch what
his name is smith i don't know he's lasted him again still now shortly after this augusta would
suffer a second stroke and her health would decline rapidly on december 29th of 1945 augusta died at
the age of 67 did he put her in a basement no damn it ed was absolutely devastated about the loss of
his mother stating that he quote lost his only friend and one true love and he was absolutely
alone in the world oh that is so it's like sad that is oh it's like it's misguided but it's sad oh my
gosh becoming completely lost after his mother died ed became even more of a hermit while living
alone now all by himself ed held on to the family farm and began working odd jobs again for money
he actually boarded up rooms frequently used by his mother in order to like preserve them
this included the upstairs the downstairs parlor and the living room and he would leave all of these
rooms untouched unless he would clean them essentially but he didn't move anything it's
really interesting about that and when you talk about like movies or television that kind of pulls
from this story um there's definitely an ex files episode of like you know almost like
hills have eyes ask family members like they it's it's actually two brothers and their mom and their
mom is like something about her like she's like invincible or something but she's like lost a leg
and they had her like on this really skateboard thing underneath the bed i don't know but either
way like their whole thing was like i guess like the anti-augusta though because her she was like
encouraging her sons to go like breed yeah it was really creepy anyways um but that's what
reminded me of those like that style of house right and even in texas chainsaw the house is
kind of boarded up right it's like this old wooden kind of thing but it's to preserve
i don't never i never realized the connection between that but the representation of that
feeling of like preservation like being represented in film or television when it comes to certain
stories that mimic this yeah absolutely if y'all haven't guessed it of course we're going to be
talking about the texas chainsaw massacre and we'll talk about that a little bit more in detail at
the end but that is the movie that mivication has been kind of diving deep into in their episode
and then um that's one of the ones that i watched to make sure that i had room but this actually
ties into that as well i was gonna say um so despite leaving these boarded up and untouched the rest
of the house actually became increasingly worn down and dirty uh while these rooms remained
like pristine in condition and somewhat of like a shrine to his mother interesting so kind of reminds
me of like the room in texas chainsaw where all of the dead animals and stuff the taxidermy is like
that room is like closed off and like everything's in the right place and everything's really nice
and neat now during this time ed actually slept in a small room next to the kitchen seemingly to
like stay closer to like where his mother spent most of her time around this time as well i'd
became interested in reading pulp magazines and adventure stories particularly those that involved
cannibals or nazi atrocities interesting um he spent his days learning about nazi experiments
studying human anatomy looking at porn and reading horror novels um he had also began to indulge in
these horrific fantasies but nobody knew so he was kind of like taking it upon himself to maybe
make some of this stuff like a reality and i'll get into that okay in 1947 it is stated that ed
allegedly began grave robbing and would dig up freshly buried remains of women who reminded him
of his mother like same skin tone same kind of age same hair color despite all of his extracurricular
activities ed was still able to maintain his job as a handyman in town and actually received a farm
subsidy from the federal government in 1951 i actually didn't know what that was but it's like
an amount of money that's given to you monthly in order to keep your farm afloat in order to you
know maintain the agriculture and the economy around this same year victor travis and ray
burges disappeared in plain field leaving only a jacket and their dog behind in the woods near
ed's property both of them at the same time went missing yes okay this was never connected to ed
gein however but it is suspected that he might have had something to do with their disappearances
ed would also occasionally work for the local municipal road crew and crop threshing crews
in the area sometime between 1946 and 1956 he had also sold an 80 acre section of his land
that his brother henry had owned before his death hmm so not only did he like he like pretty much
cut henry out of his life entirely yeah oh that's henry's property yeah sell it i don't want i don't
want to deal with that i wanted nothing to do with him on december 8th 1954 a 51 year old woman by
the name of mary hogan disappeared she was the owner of a tavern that ed frequented and this
night he came by the bar mary informed ed that she was closing down and instead of leaving he simply
stood up and shot her in the head killing her instantly what she was like standing up like
seemingly like he was gonna go and then he just immediately shoots her so he had put like a sled
in the back before going inside originally so after shooting her he had actually drug her outside
to put her there um so it was clearly premeditated and then he would take her body back to his form
the next day police found a bullet cartridge matching a 32 caliber pistol as well as overturned
furniture and a pool of blood behind the bar police did not immediately connect this with ed
gein however and he was able to stay unnoticed at the farm now this brings us back to november 16th
1957 three years after the murder of mary hogan when bernice warden goes missing okay again remember
her son is deputy sheriff frank warden so knowing that ed gein was the last person in the
hardware store frank warden would send the task force over to his home okay
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gein home they saw something absolutely out of a horror film and i wrote that a while ago so it's
funny that we're talking about mucation police discovered bernice warden's body in a shed out
back she was hung upside down by ropes at her wrists and a crossbar at her ankles her torso
was quote dressed out like that of a deer carcass according to police i know it's really bad she had
been shot with a 22 caliber rifle a fatal wound and the mutilations were done postmortem after death
i mean that's like the slightest bit of good news here is that she didn't feel any of that yeah
yeah searching the home authorities found nauseating discoveries now there is everything
that was found in his home laid out online i did not include everything because it's very
graphic and very gross and it makes my stomach hurt so i'm just gonna put what i was comfortable
putting in there i'm just gonna read that yeah and then you can read the wikipedia page if you
want the rest or you can listen to move occasion because i'm pretty sure that they put everything
in there now among the items found in edgings home were four human noses whole human bones
and fragments wait just the no wait no wait back up already yes just like hanging around like in
the house um used in some kind of a way it seems like they might have just been kind of out in the
open decoration then again he was noted as using certain body parts or pieces of human to make
varying subjects right furniture okay that's mostly what i was getting at i was like was it like a
necklace nose or no noses also found was nine masks of human skin bowls made from human skin
like a cereal bowl it's human skulls i'm pretty sure i don't know if you know it was like how do
you know like what like like leather yeah leather bowl skin bowl scalp bowls i saw it okay um mary
hogan's head was actually found as well in a paper bag bernice warden's head was in a burlap sack
there was skulls on his bed posts organs in the refrigerator and again multiple other items that
i'm not gonna repeat here because it's horrid again this is all laid out online if you'd like to look
um i know that there's some very well known items that were found but i'm not gonna say them here
anyway skin lamp yeah there was a lamp made out of skin i was mostly referring to the belt made
out of nipples but i'm not gonna put them here skin lamp also belt made nipples god awful
cool i heard that on a podcast and i was like uh now all of these artifacts artifacts
god jesus
they're not artifacts
all of these collectibles
all of this memorabilia
we're like paraphernalia okay
fuck artifacts i don't know why i put that artifacts make sense but it just sounds like it's
in a museum yeah okay
now everything found in the gene home were photographed at a crime lab and then
destroyed good now walking into this home authorities most likely believed that this
man was responsible for the death of dozens of people obviously with all of the stuff that they
found but in reality it was not ed who killed these people the same day that bernice went missing
november 16th 1957 police arrested edgene and took him in for questioning when questioned about the
gruesome scene in his home ed admitted that he had been grave robbing since a few years after
his mother augusta died he stated that between 1947 and 1952 he made as many as 40 nocturnal visits
to three local graveyards to exhume recently buried bodies while he was in a quote days like state
so do you think that like i mean surely people well i don't know if they were recently buried
then i guess the dirt would still be fresh so you know as long as he snuck in there same night or
next day maybe nobody would notice that the bodies were actually missing and he would essentially like
look through obituaries to see like who was yeah recently deceased and the pictures of them of course
would look like his mother yeah but wouldn't there be like a groundskeeper i mean it's got to take
like at least an hour to dig it out and pull out a body and then i don't know how he got away with
it he's clearly used to using the sled thing though that seems like something that he knew how to do
so he had made as many as 40 visits like i said overnight to three local graveyards but on about
30 of those visits he said that he came out of the days while in the cemetery left the grave in good
order and returned home empty-handed so only about 10 times he actually grave robbed was he
was he like what is he like sleepwalking he's i think he's trying to say he was in like a days
like state i'm not sure if that means mental illness or sleepwalking um he didn't really
specify yeah i mean i'm like yeah i've been diagnosed with this i don't know any other case
where somebody would be sleepwalking and then uh robbing graves so yeah on the other occasions um
so again at least 10 times he dug up the graves of recently buried middle-aged women he thought
resembled his mother took the body's home where he tanned their skins to make his paraphernalia
ed admitted to stealing from nine graves from local cemeteries and led investigators to their
locations um alan willa movsky of the state crime laboratory participated in opening three
test graves identified by ed the test graves were exhumed because authorities were uncertain as to
whether the slight ed was capable of single-handedly digging up a grave during a single evening
because again you said it would take a really long time it would he was very thin and they were
trying to pretty much see like if it was even possible for one person to do that in that amount
of time well you guess they have to do their due diligence because they want to make sure that
there's not like a bunch of missing people somewhere right so essentially during these um
test graves they were they were found that ed was being truthful and two of the graves were
actually found empty due to these findings police knew that ed was being truthful about his previous
actions and then they continued on um trying to identify each woman okay throughout conversations
with ed police began to realize the true intent behind his actions since his mother died he began
to create a quote woman suit so that quote he could become his mother to literally crawl into her skin
so yeah i mean there's no really like extra explaining that i'm not gonna try to woman
explain what that means like it's kind of it's it's kind of cut and dry no no oh no shit because he
would cut and dry their skin it's a little funny i hope that you guys understand that we're not
laughing at the people we just get really uncomfortable it is it's really uncomfortable
that's wild that is i mean that's that's beyond like that's like if there's no other way to phrase it
if like if like these movies had come out or like let's say like Buffalo but like
Silence of the Lands came out before this i would be like that's reaching like someone wouldn't do
that you know what i mean but like the fact that it's based on like true events is oh god it's
it's what that is yeah it's you have tears in your eyes
yeah it's not that it okay it's not very complicated right and i think that's something
that we we experience a lot with these cases that we do when we're trying to break down
the psychology of somebody that it's a long history right and and uh when people have mo's
you know like btk has an specific mo you know but but the reasoning behind it is so convoluted
there's not really like a really good explanation it's kind of like well i just kind of wanted to
see if i could do it and then i did and then i just continued and not make a person suit yeah
that's very a very unique mo it is it really is now when investigators asked ed if he had also
committed necrophilia before dismembering the bodies he denied it stating quote they smelled too bad
ew i know during crime scene laboratory interrogation ed also admitted to shooting mary hogan the
tavern owner who had went missing in 1954 a 16 year old witness whose parents were friends with ed
reported that ed kept shrunken heads in his home which ed had described to this teen as relics from
the philippines sent by a cousin who had served on the islands during world war two well that's
distancing upon investigation by police the masks that were found at the home were determined to be
human facial skins carefully peeled from corpses and used by ed like uh silence of the lambs when
he's laying in the ambulance yeah and his face is all cut up and then he stands up and like peels
it away that's like that's like a little a little nudge a little a little uh a little a little
a strike what would you call that i don't know i just said a little a little a little like a bunch
little a little a little ladle ladle ladle ladle at one point it was thought that ed might have been
the perpetrator in other unsolved cases in wisconsin including the 1953 disappearance of eval and
heartly a lacrosse babysitter but nothing stuck to him babysitter during one round of questioning
ed was being questioned by uh washara county sheriff art shealy and during this interrogation
shealy reportedly assaulted ed by banging his head and face into a brick wall what he was like so
pissed off as to what he did yeah that he like like assaulted him wow as a result ed's initial
confession was ruled inadmissible art shealy actually died of heart failure at age 43 in 1958
before ed's trial many who knew art said that he was traumatized by the horror of ed's crimes and
this along with the fear of having to testify especially about assaulting ed caused his death
wow full body heaps one of art's friends was actually noted as saying quote he was a victim
of ed gain as surely as if he had butchered him oh my god i know isn't that so heavy
on november 21st 1957 ed gain was arraigned on one count of first degree murder in washara county
court where he pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity during the trial examination
during the trial examinations ed was diagnosed with schizophrenia and found mentally incompetent
thus unfit for trial i didn't know this oh my gosh he was sent to the central state hospital for
the criminally insane now called the dodge correctional institution this is a maximum
security facility in wauppen wisconsin and he was later transferred to the medata state hospital
in madison wisconsin if i sang any sitting names wrong i apologize and you can feel free to correct
me i'm not from wisconsin wisconsin i'm not from wisconsin i don't think anybody's from wisconsin
wisconsin wisconsin ed gain's house and 195 acre property were appraised at $4,700
dollars which would be 45 000 today well his possessions were scheduled to be auctioned
on march 30th 1958 amidst rumors that the house and the land it stood on might become a tourist
attraction hello could you imagine but then they're also gonna sell his shit they might as well
just burn the fucking house down funny you should say that oh because early on the morning of march
20th the house mysteriously caught fire and was completely destroyed shut up a deputy fire marshal
reported that a garbage fire had been set 75 feet from the house by a cleaning crew but it
did not look accidental arson was suspected but the cause of the fire was never officially determined
damn some people think that the fire got so out of control because it was reported by deputy
sheriff frank warden so he didn't go over there in a hurry so he was like the first to know when
he was like oh i'm gonna stop i'm gonna stop for a shake on my way what a shame when ed learned
of the fire while in detention he shrugged and said quote just as well i don't like that i don't
like that was it also a g tones that had his like castles his murder castle burned yeah i was
it's crazy ed gains 1949 ford sedan which he used to haul the bodies of his victims was sold at
a public auction for $760 which would be $7100 today it was sold to carnival sideshow operator
bunny gibbons so you're trying to make fucking money on yeah exactly didn't you have a cauldron
he had a cauldron too the cauldron had a bunch of stuff the cauldrons owned by zack bagans i'm
pretty sure oh really so bunny gibbons would actually charge carnival goers 25 cents admission to see
the car ed was noted as being quiet and kept to himself for nearly a decade while incarcerated
now remember he's in the psychiatric facility in 1968 doctors determined that ed was quote
mentally able to confer with council and participate in his defense the trial began on
november 7th 1968 and would last one week a psychiatrist testified that ed had told him
he did not know whether the killing of bernice warden was intentional or accidental he didn't
know he couldn't recall oh which honestly if your diagnosis schizophrenia that's not far fetched
to say yeah ed had told the psychiatrist that while he examined a gun in warden's store the gun
went off killing her instantly you know i always say guns just don't go off but you know as long
as you're a responsible gun owner yeah just be responsible exactly ed testified that after trying
to load a bullet into the rifle it discharged he said that he had not aimed the rifle at warden
and did not remember anything else that happened that morning at the request of the defense ed's
trial was held without a jury with judge robert h gallmar presiding ed was found guilty of first
degree murder by gallmar on november 14th 1968 a second trial dealt with ed's sanity after
testimony by doctors for the prosecution and defense and gallmar ruled ed gain quote not guilty
by reason of insanity and ordered him committed to central state hospital for the criminally insane
but he was already convicted for one murder for first degree murder so he was convicted of first
degree murder and then he had a second trial that was solely based on his sanity i don't know why
they did too but that's yeah judge gallmar wrote quote due to prohibitive costs gain was tried for
only one murder that of miss warden he also admitted to killing mary hogan still mild mannered ed
made no new fuss while in jail other than attempting to petition for a release in 1974 which was rejected
he laid low for a few more years and on july 26th 1984 edward theodore gain died of lung cancer at
the age of 77 interesting i didn't know was he a smoker hmm i don't know now over the next couple
of decades souvenir seekers chipped pieces from his gravestone at the plainfield cemetery for
like keepsake until the stone itself was stolen in the year 2000 what the fuck that's kind of Jesus
some people think it's like a conspiracy theory and it never was stolen but some people think it
was so i just put that in there well it yeah they might have just chosen to remove it just because
it was getting destroyed anyways yeah it was recovered in 2001 near seattle washington and
was placed in storage at the washara county sheriff's department so his gravesite itself is
now unmarked but not unknown because he's buried between his parents and his brother interesting
now this is so funny because i wrote this research like i told you a couple weeks ago and my next
line says ed gain became the inspiration behind movies such as psycho i didn't know the texas
chainsaw massacres skin wearing leather face and the silence of the lambs buffalo bill so it does
make sense though um well i don't know if it makes a lot of sense but schizophrenia spectrum
um makes sense with like all of his imaginary friends growing up and and all the abuse that he
kind of suffered at the hands of his mom and his dad it seems like he was maybe pre-disposed
to developing that and then the the trauma and abuse kind of made it come forthcoming or forward
facing yeah even the loss of like his dad and i mean you know i may you know by the time that his
dad died he was how old he was in his 30s so yeah but i mean usually schizophrenia spectrum
disorder starts rearing its head around early 20s right yeah it can it can show up like as early as
like 15 for men but yeah 20 15 to 25 is usually like yeah so i just feel a little late but he did
talk about kind of hearing things or voices yeah um who knows what he was dealing with on the inside
he pretty much kept to himself like he said he read a lot so i don't know yeah it's really interesting
it's definitely interesting and then um even the like schizophrenia spectrum might be the most
forward-presenting mental illness but who's to say that he doesn't have a bunch of different ones
that he could have been diagnosed with right and that might cause he did have the what seemed like
he might have had seizures when he was younger that kind of they might have stunted his brain
growth and everything like that but PTSD just from the abuse he suffered from his parents who
knows what kind of CTE issues he might have been having yeah exactly he got knocked around enough
yeah i think mostly what what you know just given the time as well do you think that maybe just
because he was so simply stating i'm making a human skin suit that people will be like clearly this
man has a mental issue here yeah no definitely um especially like after getting arrested because of
course it's noted that like nobody really knew what he was doing when he was i mean he was by
himself he was on like a piece of property that wasn't close to town and you know seemingly a
nice guy i mean shitty babysat people you know for a while but you'd think that like after finding
all that in this house they would be like oh we need an immediate psychiatric consult you know
instead of waiting almost what how 10 years in jail before or maybe no he i guess he did give him
one before he was sentenced but yeah but then they still tried him you know um for the murder
but but what i'm saying is like where's the line because there's plenty of other
people that we've covered that do things that are seemingly i mean well that aren't you know
they're crimes right like the murdering people and however especially like like angel rizinda's
how brutal he was what what do you think is kind of like the difference between saying
this person over here is a committing committing these crimes over and over and over and over again
with people why is this person not up for i mean i'm sure they all get psych psychiatric
evaluations but yeah how is this person mentally competent but this guy over here is making a
skin suit from just dead people how is he not mentally yeah competent exactly well yeah and
the psych evaluation is just that like it's an evaluation it's not like a you're not like oh yeah
this is exactly what was going through your mind when you were doing this stuff or whatever and so
it's really it's really up to it like interpretation honestly like and it's it's unfortunate because
i truly believe that like everybody that kills people is mentally ill in some one way or the other
you know but um it's just i guess it's just time and circumstance you know who gets the right help
who gets the the psychiatrist that actually gives a shit and like you know it really wants to help
this criminal because i feel like there's a big stigma over it people aren't gonna i don't want
to assume anything but what i would think is like maybe some people don't want to give them like an
out so to speak like by giving them a mental diagnosis because then they're not held responsible
according to their crimes it's part of the defense right i mean there's people like Ted Bundy that
totally admits to everything that he does you know he blames it on pornography but yeah exactly
but other than i mean other than that yeah he's like yeah i surely did those things and it's like
okay is this guy mentally competent just because he understands what he did yeah and like that
registers does that mean that he's mentally competent well that's the thing yeah it's like
there's it's the difference between mentally ill and mentally competent like you can be mentally
ill and incompetent because you don't know what you're doing and you can be mentally ill and
competent because you don't know what you're doing you know right that's uh that's a deep dive there
yeah but that would be cool uh mental breakdown topic yeah that would be cool um okay so yeah let's
talk about Texas Chainsaw i guess let's do it yeah so i watched it for the first time yeah like i said
like a couple days ago it's very odd i it threw me for a loop and if anyone hasn't seen this movie
i'm sorry spoiler alert i guess but this is movie but it's been out since the 70s so if you haven't
seen it like me then you know whatever i didn't i did not know that i i knew that the guy like the
hitchhiker at the beginning might come back later on but i did not when she ran out of the house
sorry i'm going through all these things when she when the last girl finally goes down she gets away
she runs to the convenience store guy and he the way he was holding her face and trying to tell her
to calm down i was like oh he's about to start fucking strangling get out of there literally
so i kind of knew that but leather face is i guess what we should really talk about um because
that is what he was inspired by edgine of course because of the human skin suit but not so
related to edgine because this guy was almost non-verbal um leather face was he didn't really
talk he was clearly coherent and he understood you know commands and you know what people were
saying but he was non-verbal and that's not edgine well other than the fact that he said that he was
dazed in a trance that's true yeah i mean do you think that maybe there's been times that people
had run into him during those moments and he was kind of non-verbal or yeah maybe that makes sense
you know yeah just trying to attach it a little bit more not necessarily that's what what inspired
you know was the inspiration for him being non-verbal yeah and they definitely say like it's
loosely inspired but um the you know amount of like taxidermy and like the items that were in
the home and stuff like that in the movie it's like that's the biggest thing that holds weight with
edgine yeah and you know i can't almost it was almost like the kids that were coming into the
home were seeing that for the first time almost like the police would would with edgine's home
right yeah that's interesting um but that was uh it's a it's a it's a good movie i'm not a big
fan of like older um horror movies so i don't really think that they're that scary i can see how
when it came out it's very scary you know um people will probably throw it up in the theater oh yeah
for sure like the exorcist but um god that girl at the end like i'm sorry like i know you're in
like a dangerous situation but she screams for like the whole last 15 minutes of the movie even to
check on you i was like what's going on you're like watching texas song i was like oh okay i was
like dude she won't stop screaming like i'm sorry but if i'm running away from someone with a chainsaw
i'm not gonna scream i'm gonna try to be as quiet as possible so that if i do get far enough away
he doesn't hear me she like is hiding and she's like i don't know have you ever been next to
somebody that's holding a chainsaw yeah i have actually really loud it didn't have a chain on it
however i went through a haunted house with my friend for her like 13th birthday and i was so
scared and there was this lady with a chainsaw with no chain but she got it so close to my leg
she literally cut my leg with it i'm not even joking like the force of the air i was i was young
i was a wee less i just i know but yeah that um yeah that movie is interesting yeah i just don't
like the fact that people are like they were so open to just like let me just go in this
random person's house like i'm worried about it yeah knocking and then well but again they're
teenagers yeah exactly like you would just go up and ask to use somebody's phone but also the uh
the guy at the gas station was like yo don't go down there you don't want to go down that road
he told them and then he also told like he told all three of the guys and he also told the girl
was like you don't want to go down there and then they still fucking did i was like all right
like you ever seen cabin in the woods i'm not cabin in the woods cabin fever i love cabin fever
you should watch cabin fever i should pancakes it's like the best part uh yeah i haven't seen
i haven't seen i'll have to i'll have to look into that to that writer strong was like bae to
writer strong is obey from boy meets world he was uh oh yeah oh yeah he was was this ace
oh not shon yeah danie was it danie no shon shon younger brother no he wasn't the brother he was
a friend korey's friend yeah yeah but he has an older brother oh yeah that was Matthew Lawrence
also bae oh yeah uh so yeah silence of the lambs also buffalo bill um i'm not bae yeah i really
really liked that movie yeah i really did and the first time that i watched it i just like got on
my phone i was like this video rings like i wasn't really paying attention i really liked it and i
think that like this sounds really bad but i was kind of like hype about fucking Hannibal Lecter
getting away at the end i was like hell yeah yeah the best part is when they when he flays that dude
it's insane when the angel oh yeah that's wild and that actually was actually really pretty but it
was like horrifying at the same time well you know what that's actually interesting that you say that
because of the way that bernie's warden was found that's actually really similar although she was
upside down yeah and the stomach thing that's yeah that was what it was that's really interesting
to even think about that please said that and then the stuck out of my head the face on the face
that's a ben geene reference yeah and then the buffalo bill obviously when they find the the
dead body and on the back she has like those missing pieces of skin and jody foster's like
he's making a suit and her jody foster voice yeah dang yeah that was a really interesting
movie and then psycho can you talk a little bit more about that because i know we said it earlier
but what was the connection again uh just the mother like the yeah that he wanted to preserve
the mother and like he preserved her room uh similarly to what you had said um although he
didn't really board it up he just kept her room the exact same um but then would dress like his
mother her wigs her dresses things like that no skin but um and kept her rotting corpse in the
basement and would go like visit with her and like stuff like that and then like become her
and then he would like certain parts of the movie you can hear this old lady talking like this and
then he's like mother i won't do that blah blah blah but then you realize at the end of the movie
it's him doing his mother's voice oh my god ew ew ew ew ew ew that just gave me the heaps
you should watch that one you'd like it and it's not like terribly graphic i mean the most graphic
part is when he kills the trick well then can we just talk about uh speaking of graphic when
buffalo bill like would you be like blowing my mind right now because this reference has been
a reference for like a very long time i know it has family guy does a reference to it and it's yeah
i've known about that scene i've known about that scene forever i've just never actually seen it
yeah i've known that it's the thing but like actually seeing it i was like oh that makes a
lot of sense like people like talk about that and say that because it's creepy it is
it's like a bush oh god men have pubic hair too i know it's just funny no it just looks like a lady
bush it's a lady funny an effeminate bush oh god well that was um yeah that's edgine and the movie's
inspired yeah give it up for moviecation y'all i hope you go check out their episode they are gonna
cover the second half or the first half or whichever half technically i want to say that we
covered the second half only because uh tila gave me the heads up and they recorded first and they
recorded first and they've been ready for like days and we haven't so there's no offense guys but i
thought it was going to be reversed i thought we were going to have this episode done like last
week and we're gonna be like these moviecation boys not get together well yeah thank you guys for
obviously it's collabing with us like that's freaking awesome i'm looking forward to doing
maybe something similar in the future and i've been waiting to do this case this case has been
requested by a lot of people as well so it was really cool that we were able to kind of collab
and be able to release the episode at the same time yep so if you guys are listening to this one
listeners then this the other one should be out around the same at the same time actually so
they're both going to have to hear done with this one go on over there listen to theirs and we will
see what they have to say because i'm excited to listen to it too so excited yeah so that was yeah
that was a wild one with edgine we will be back on monday with another mental breakdown i don't know
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