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Hello!

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I wanted to get one in there.

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Welcome to our only second, I guess, second installment of DAK Live.

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Yes, this is Diagnosing a Killer Live. My name is Kenna.

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I'm Koelle.

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And I'm Kristy, aka Mama.

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That's our mom!

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She's coming in here, she's bouncing her leg.

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You can hear all of that, by the way.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah, it's a booth of the mic.

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Yep, you can go to that.

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The microphone's really sensitive, so like any little movement gets picked up.

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But this is a DAK Live, and it is just that, so we are going to not edit.

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This is going to be raw on Filter, just like the episode with Clark Finney.

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And this is only the second time we've done this.

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It's been over a year, almost a year and a half since we've done an episode like this.

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Yeah, because I think that came out in what August, September?

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It was December of 2021.

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Was it? Yeah.

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Because it was like a couple days before the Ken's Five video aired, right?

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Yeah, you're right.

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So yeah, we're going to do another one of these.

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I don't know about any feedback on these.

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Except for our friends and family.

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So if you guys like these, we're probably going to start doing this every once in a while.

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Not as frequent as the mental breakdown, but it's going to be just a regular conversation about good old mental health and good old true crime, kind of whatever.

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Yeah, statistics and just raw unfiltered.

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Well, before we get started, I just want to say again, thank you to everyone.

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We always say our thank yous in the beginning.

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We can, we can.

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You can follow us on anywhere, social media wise at Diagnosting a Killer.

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Twitter is at KillerDiagnosis.

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And then we also have a Patreon setup as well as an email address that is DiagnostingAKiller.gmail.com.

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If you guys like to donate to the Patreon, we just put it in order for some new stickers that'll take you directly to our Instagram page, which is really cool.

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I'm excited about those.

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Yeah, they're going to be really nice with our QR code.

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All of our patrons have the old ones and they will receive new ones as well.

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And then, yeah, I think that's all I got to say for the beginning.

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Ready, let's go.

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It's all fidgety.

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I'm not fidgety.

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Well, you were bouncing your legs and then when we said we could hear that, then you started picking at your nails.

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To me, the same way when Coelle's talking in her case.

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I gotta do something.

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So, mom, take it away.

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Just tell us a little bit about yourself.

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So, the listeners, because we know all about you.

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The listeners don't.

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Well, let's see where to start.

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First of all, I'm really proud of the girls and their, I know, don't be bashful.

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They clipped.

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I'm very, very proud of the girls and that they're following their passion with, you know, not only exploring mental health, but understanding more about it.

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You know, as they've said, there's a lot of stigma around mental health and, you know, we fortunate or unfortunate have been surrounded kind of by mental health, you know, family members,

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And that's kind of an, we've kind of embraced that we've known that that's just a part of life.

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And it's more part of life than people, I think, want to really realize if they've never been exposed to it.

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I'll throw out some numbers in just a little bit, but, you know, you constantly have repeated that you're not alone in having, you know, having relatives yourself.

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No people care about people that have mental struggles.

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And so anyway, I'm just, I'm just really proud of y'all to bring that to the forefront.

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And be able to provide some clarity around that.

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My background is pretty varied, but for the purposes of this podcast and kind of the focus here, I spent about 20 years or so in the managed care world in healthcare administration.

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Including mental and physical health.

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I've worked with countless healthcare providers to include, you know, primary care specialists, hospitals, inpatient facilities, outpatient facilities, mental health providers from PhDs all the way to social workers to, you know, just countless mental health providers.

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And so it's been, it was really eye opening to me.

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My focus in my professional life was more on the government sponsored health plans rather than private health plans, which is kind of a whole nother ball of wax.

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I mean, for people that struggle with mental illness.

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And I'll just, do you want me to jump into some numbers?

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And then we're going to address Texas because that's, you know, really where my focus has been. But for Texas, we have, you know, with Texas is big, right?

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And we have 254 counties with lots of rural counties.

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Or is this the best though?

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Or is this the best?

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But 254 counties, it's big. I mean, it's a big state and many of those I can't tell you off the top of head how many are rural, but meaning rural that there are, there's limited health care resources in rural counties, right?

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Damn, that's a lot of people.

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That's a lot of people.

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That's older than I am in years of people.

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And again, I don't have the numbers off the top of my head regarding the rural, you know, location of those folks, but we're very spread out.

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And I know we have listeners, like you said, people might not be familiar with Texas.

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We have listeners all over the world.

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Like I've shared with you, we have UK listeners, Australian listeners, people in Japan listen to us.

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I think it's really cool.

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And so of course, I know I listen to podcasts as well with people that are in the UK or in Australia and they kind of mention little towns and I'm like, oh man, I wonder where that is.

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So I think it's important to kind of explain because we like to think that the only people that are listening are people that know us, but that's not the case anymore.

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And you know, when you, I mean, like in Europe, 12 hours it gets across many countries, you know, I mean, it would get you across multiple countries.

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That was weird, right?

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And a lot of this that I'm going to talk about is from the Kaiser family website, which is KFF is what they prefer to be called now because they don't want to confuse it with, they're an expert on mental health, if you will, across the U.S.

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But Texas, people in Texas that have reported, especially during the pandemic, struggles with mental illness or mental concerns, maybe not illness, but just concerns, depression, you know, feeling like isolation.

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You know, all of that, which really came to a head during COVID when people were working from home and they were used to those faces and they weren't there anymore.

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You know, it's just a, we all know what that pandemic did to everybody, but that's approximately 34% of Texans reported feeling some struggles.

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Well, that's interesting that you say the pandemic thing, because when you say rural counties and the pandemic, the rural counties have been an isolation, essentially, from the big city, bustle and bustle.

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You know, some people, it doesn't bother them and some people, it really affects them that they don't have a lot of resources or a lot of, you know, population in their area.

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We went to like five different places and like it was like the plague.

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I think everybody enjoyed the highways because we weren't supposed to be on them.

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Six, you know, four is still two lanes and I'm 27.

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It's like me and one other asshole that's going a hundred miles an hour.

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So lots of people, a third of the population, more than a third of the population was like, okay, I'm, this is really getting to me.

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Now, whether those folks, you know, have a history of mental concerns or not, who knows, but that's just what's been reported.

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It might have been up to half, you know, but I mean, I didn't report it.

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That 34% represents 9.8 million people.

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Now here's the real shocking kind of like, oh my God, there are only 300,000 mental health providers in the state of Texas.

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Ew, I just got the full body heaps.

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I just got the full body heaps.

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9.8 million people needed help from 300,000 mental health providers.

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Does that put it in perspective?

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That almost makes me emotional.

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Like, that's awful.

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Those 300,000, those 300,000 may or may not take insurance.

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They may only take insurance.

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And they only take private insurance.

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And that's where we really get.

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Or referral from a GP or whatever.

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You know, who knows with all the health plans that are out there and all the requirements that are from those health plans.

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And you're making me cry, Koala, because it is.

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And you go back to when we've had family members that needed help and nothing but just shut the door.

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Shut the door.

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Shut the door.

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I know some in my family needs help.

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And you go back to your house and you still have the same issue and you don't have anybody to talk to.

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You can't go see anybody.

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You can't go see anybody.

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And here's the real thing.

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You need to see somebody that's impartial.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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And I've said this all along.

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Everybody could benefit from counseling.

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Everybody in this world, right?

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Could benefit from an independent counselor who can just vet your feelings, help you vet your feelings.

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Be non-biased.

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Be non-biased.

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That's the key.

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Because every family member has a vested interest in you as a family member, right?

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And so they've all got their take on it.

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And if I were going to tell you something, Ken, I would say it from mom's perspective and blah, blah, blah.

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But the history of that person and then, oh, you're probably, it's probably this or it's probably that.

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Or you're just being emotional, whatever.

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But an independent counselor doesn't have that bias.

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And that's why I think it's so important to not just be counseled by your family.

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Of course, that's important because you want the support of your family.

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But as far as helping you sort out these things that may be of your concern, it really takes, I believe, somebody independent.

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And trained in how to help you navigate those feelings.

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Of course.

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And like you were saying, the 300,000 people, and I don't want to make any assumptions that I'm not speaking from a place of personal experience.

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But how many of those 300,000 people, like, okay, like how many of those 300,000 people would be a match to help me specifically?

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Exactly.

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And that's only a handful of those people that would be a match for me.

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So not only is it only 300,000 people for 9.2 million or whatever you said.

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But now it's who's a right match for you.

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And it's also who's really in it for the right reasons.

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Because unfortunately, there are people that get that certification and that degree and I'm not mentioning specifics.

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But they do it for the money.

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And you can really do it.

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And burnout, of course, there's a lot of different reasons why people aren't reaching their full potential as a thing.

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And it's one of those things like I think I can save the world.

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That's why I am trying to get my master's degree to do that so that I am the one that can help everyone.

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I have had people that I know that it took so long to get a therapist in the first place.

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Even though this therapist isn't working for them.

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They stick with it.

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They stick with it.

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I don't want to have to explain my story over and over and over and over and over again to a new person.

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I mean, I've seen four different therapists and that's me not actively trying to find one that sticks.

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I've just seen four different people.

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And I mean, my most recent one I liked.

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But could you imagine not being able to just because of time?

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You need help now.

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You don't need help.

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I'm not going to go through this process.

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It's going to take me another month or two just to talk to somebody new and then explain my story again.

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Exactly.

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And it's daunting.

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Let me add to that because that's exactly right, but let me add to that, which is the ugly part of this.

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And that is the insurance piece.

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Yeah, I was just thinking about like not all those counselors, not all those 300,000 counselors are going to take your health plan.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And when you talk about Medicaid, which is the government sponsored health plan that low income folks can be on can qualify for.

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There are even fewer than 300,000 that will accept Medicaid.

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And the reality is Medicaid doesn't pay very well.

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Right.

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I mean, it doesn't pay as a counselor.

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You know, the reimbursement rate is very low.

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It's reality.

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And I know a lot of counselors that do it because it's they feel like, you know, I'm trained.

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It's part of my responsibility as a human, as a trained human being and as a counselor to help my fellow human being.

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And so therefore, I'm going to take a very low reimbursement because I feel like it's important to me.

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There's not a lot of them that I shouldn't say that I can't quantify that there may not be a lot of them that feel that way.

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I appreciate you saying, especially when you when you said low income, it reminded me of lower funded areas too.

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How many counselors do you think are in walking distance of you?

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Exactly.

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What if you don't have transportation?

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I mean, you know, and you don't have, you know, a smartphone or whatever, you know, a PC and do a virtual visit, a virtual visit.

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Yeah.

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I mean, how many counselors do you think are in lower funded communities?

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Probably not a lot.

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Not a lot.

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And then how about I have children.

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So now I need to have childcare so that I can go talk to my counselor.

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But I don't have a car.

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Right.

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So that's that is all encompassing when it comes to a Medicaid population.

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What do you think would be like a good incentive for providers of mental health care?

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What do you think would be like a good incentive for for people to want to participate more in the Medicaid system?

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Well, I'm glad you asked because very recently, as a matter of fact, we had a gubernatorial candidate in the state of Texas who can and I were fortunate to meet.

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I was like, you were there too.

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And one of the questions that I asked this individual was, I think it's wonderful that you want to open the Medicaid roles and expand Medicaid to reach more people.

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But what are you going to do?

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You know, you can say, okay, let's open up the gates and we can have, let me see, do I even have the number here?

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I like that all the noises are in this too.

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Like the clinking of the glass and like the drinking of the water.

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Hey, it's real life.

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It's a real world.

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It's a real world.

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Get used to it.

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Get used to it.

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I don't have the number down here.

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I don't have the number down here.

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But anyway, it's out of the Medicaid.

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What was it?

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What was your question?

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More incentives.

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More incentives, yes.

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Yeah, for people to participate in Medicaid.

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Yes. I don't know how many, I don't know, that's the number.

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I don't have the number down here about how many people that are on Medicaid in the state of Texas.

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I'm sorry, I'm speaking of Texas seeking mental health services.

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But let's just say it's, you know, why?

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Well, if you want to open why up and now you have why and Z population, right?

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You've just increased it by Z.

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Who's going to see Z?

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Right? Who is going to CZ? If your providers are already saying, nope, that's it. I'll

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take 100 patients a month and that's all I'm going to take.

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So you're saying we can expand Medicaid as far as budget, but that doesn't necessarily

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mean that more people are going to be seen. You're just going to add more people to the

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roles with no more resources to help them. So what's going to have to happen is there

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needs to be a financial incentive for those providers, the Medicaid, I'm running for the

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governor, but it needs to-

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I think you would do a great job.

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The effects.

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There needs to be a better reimbursement rate.

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So I will just pet through this in here. When I worked at the counseling center there

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was, I mean, we had 80 plus counselors. Each person is just that one person and they took

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maybe like 60 to 70 patients per counselor.

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You can't physically fit more than a certain amount of people in your schedule to see them.

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They see eight people a day, you know, eight hours, an hour per session, actually seven

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because they need an hour for lunch or sometimes they would see people during their lunch.

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Exactly. They have like 15 minutes between each person. Some of them do after hours and

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stuff like that, but there's only so much time that one person has. So what I think

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it really boils down to is teaching why mental health is so important at a young age in school,

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making a mandatory intro to psych class in high school, and getting more people exposed

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to the career field of mental health.

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Because if you have more people understanding, not only are you going to have people that

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can help themselves because now they understand what they might be experiencing and how to

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treat it because they have that education, but you might also have people that are more

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willing to pursue that as a career just because of one class in high school. I mean, shit,

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I had, you know, health, for example, in high school, it's required for everything. I learned

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a lot in health class. I got CPR certified because of health class. Like that is an important

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thing that I think everyone should have to take at least high school.

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For sure.

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But educating people early on, again, more jobs that will be potentially looked into,

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and now you know how to treat anxiety for yourself if you're experiencing that later

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in life.

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For sure. There's a child psychologist at my kids' school this year, which I thought

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is really cool. They sit in and on the meetings, parent-teacher meetings, things like that

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as well. Excuse me, talking about developmentally and talking about emotionally and developmentally

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where your child is at as far as these maybe mental milestones, things like that, how they're

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participating with other kids, any warning signs about behavior or any of that other

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stuff. And he's an elementary school.

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That's great.

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That should be a thing.

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Does that child psychologist do any kind of classroom work or are they just in there

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in case a child needs to see them? Because I like the idea of having an on-site counselor

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if a child needs additional assistance or if they come for it. But I also think that

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that person should be hosting not like 7 hours, but you know what I mean? Like being more integrated

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in the classroom instead of just sitting there in case of a crisis.

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This is more of like a guidance counselor, but this is a child psychologist. From my

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understanding, the child psychologist goes into the classroom and observes behavior.

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That's what I was asking.

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That's awesome.

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I mean, it's just a recess or watches for those signs and how kids interact with each

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other.

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That is absolutely amazing.

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So the kids know them and probably feels comfortable speaking with them if anything.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's great. I didn't have that even when I was in elementary school. I don't know

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the youngest of the three.

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That was what I was going to say and that ties in really well, Koa, because one of the

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things that we're talking about, how do we address all of this? One of those is awareness

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that mental health is not a stigma. It should not be a stigma. And the fact that, I mean,

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mental health and physical health are equal. And the more mental health issues you have,

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the more physical health issues you're going to exhibit, right? Or vice versa. If I'm

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feeling really physically sick, it's going to weigh on my psyche. It's going to weigh

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on my mental health. If my mental health is not good, then I'm not going to take care

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of my body.

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And so the fact that the integration is in school early on, it shows kids very early,

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this is nothing to be ashamed of.

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Yeah.

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You know, this is, in fact, it's not even going to be a topic in the future that I should

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be ashamed of. It's going to be so normal for them. I pray that it becomes so normal

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for them that they don't, you know, it's because you can't see it that people think it's abnormal.

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It's not real, right? It's in here, right? And I'm pointing to my head. It's in here.

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It's in here. I can't see that.

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It's really funny in the way.

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It's in here. I can't see cancer. I can't see mental health.

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Yeah, of course.

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But it's real.

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I mean, I'll be the first to say like none of us are perfect. All of us experience mental

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health issues, myself included especially. And I still have anxiety. I had anxiety this

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morning. It doesn't go away. But now I know how to, I had it last night and I had it this

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morning actually.

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It's the chest tightening for me. I can't stand that feeling.

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Yeah. But now I know how to approach that for myself because I'm educated on it. It's

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not like a couple of years ago, like I said in the last DAK Live, I would just freak out

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and have a panic attack. And now I'm like, okay, cool. I have a panic attack going on.

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Even Casey, like I've educated Casey on it too. Last night I told him, I said, I'm having

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a panic attack. I wasn't talking and he was like, what's wrong? And I was like, I'm trying

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to prevent myself because I feel like I might have a panic attack coming on. And he goes,

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okay, you're okay. You're safe. Like now he's known knows how to respond to me because we've

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educated each other on what we need in that moment.

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And it's not again, we always say this.

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Instead of saying, oh, you're not, you're fine.

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Chill out, you're fine.

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Oh, just get over it.

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Just get over it.

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Just don't think about it.

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Never thought about it.

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Just don't think about it.

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I wish you'd have been around.

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You must have a degree.

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For real.

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But no, and like it's again.

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I'm scared of you.

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Oh, God, seriously.

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Yeah, let's just pepper this in here though.

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We don't need to protect ourselves from people with mental illness.

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True. Yeah, let's go ahead and talk about that for a while.

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Let's talk about that.

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Even with mental illness, they're not scary. You don't need to protect yourself.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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Don't avoid.

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And you don't need to learn how to spot a psychopath.

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Yeah.

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You need to learn the signs of the symptoms and the psychos.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

466
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:01,840
I'm sorry.

467
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,840
You don't need to learn how to spot a psychopath.

468
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,840
You need to learn the signs of the symptoms and the psychos.

469
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,840
Oh, yeah.

470
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:10,840
Okay, let me just change this around for a second.

471
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:11,840
I have my binoculars.

472
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,840
Yeah, I'm spotting a psychopath.

473
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:14,840
Exactly.

474
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,840
I did actually find earlier, I didn't want to do like extensive research before this

475
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,840
episode, but I did find something that I didn't know existed.

476
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,840
So there's actually a crisis text line.

477
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:25,840
Yes.

478
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:26,840
Oh, a text line.

479
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:27,840
Oh, cool.

480
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:28,840
Okay.

481
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:29,840
And it is, you text the word.

482
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:30,840
Crisis.

483
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,840
It sounds like like a capital T at the end.

484
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,840
Crisis.

485
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,840
Crisis.

486
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,840
Crisis.

487
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:38,840
It's a crisis.

488
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:39,840
And it's a word in the land that works.

489
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,840
It's a crisis.

490
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,840
Because I said crisis text is what I said.

491
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,840
Oh, I see.

492
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,840
I see.

493
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:47,840
Okay.

494
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,840
It's a crisis text line.

495
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:49,840
You text the word stop.

496
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:50,840
No, not sign.

497
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:51,840
Stop.

498
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:52,840
Stop.

499
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:53,840
Stop it.

500
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,840
Stop it.

501
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:55,840
You get some help.

502
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,840
You text the word signs.

503
00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,840
S-I-G-N-S.

504
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:00,840
Okay.

505
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,840
To 741-741.

506
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:08,840
This will give you 24-7 anonymous free crisis counseling.

507
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,840
That is amazing.

508
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,840
Anonymous and free 24-7 crisis counseling.

509
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,840
Again, you text the word signs to 741-741.

510
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,840
I think it is national because it comes from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

511
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:21,840
website.

512
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,840
And that's really good.

513
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,340
Also, I'll put that in the show notes so that you guys, if you missed that, you can

514
00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:27,340
read it down there.

515
00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:30,280
There is also a disaster distress helpline.

516
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,560
You can call or text.

517
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,160
And the number is 1-800-985-5990.

518
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,680
And you can also press 2 for Spanish.

519
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,320
They have it in Spanish as well.

520
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,800
I just thought those were interesting.

521
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:40,800
That's very good.

522
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,200
And informative because we always put the national suicide hotline and then the Trevor

523
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,200
Project at our show notes.

524
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,080
But those two we haven't mentioned yet on the episodes.

525
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,480
So those are good ones.

526
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,440
And then this website, it's literally the, again, CDC.

527
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,840
So it's CDC.gov slash mental health.

528
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,320
And it has all of those phone numbers from veterans for the elderly for now, domestic

529
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,320
abuse, all of that stuff.

530
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:02,320
So I found that earlier.

531
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,320
I thought that was nice to pepper it.

532
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,320
That's really, really good.

533
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,840
I always say pepper it in.

534
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,120
So should we salt it in sometimes?

535
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,120
No, just always pepper it in.

536
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:12,600
I'm allergic to pepper.

537
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:19,760
So while we're on the topic of resources, NAMI, which is N-A-M-I, National Association

538
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:26,760
of Mental Illness, that is a great website for resources of any kind related to, there's

539
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:39,000
actually a NAMI day where it's, it's meant to raise the, and kind of erase the stigma

540
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,000
of mental illness.

541
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,320
So great resources there.

542
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,480
Also, in the state of Texas, I know that many of the listeners are not, but in the

543
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:51,520
state of Texas, you can call 211 option eight, which is a direct line to the local mental

544
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,520
health authority for that area.

545
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,520
Oh, wow.

546
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,080
It's a crisis hotline.

547
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,920
The local mental health authorities are, they used to call them MHMRs, Mental Health

548
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,480
Mental Retardation Centers.

549
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,120
That's an old, old outdated phrase.

550
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:11,160
But the MHMRs are staffed specifically for mental health, obviously, and mental health

551
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,160
resources.

552
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:20,200
And they will also be a resource for those in crisis, immediate crisis, right?

553
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:26,640
If you have a family member who's in crisis, you can call this and get help immediately.

554
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:32,440
Advice, you know, if there needs to be immediate resources sent to your home or wherever you're

555
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,440
at, you can meet them.

556
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,440
Wow.

557
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,440
That's definitely one.

558
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,440
Ooh, I have goosebumps again.

559
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,440
Yeah, definitely a place to go.

560
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,680
And 211 is also a way to also apply for government assistance as well.

561
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,680
That's right.

562
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,680
Yeah, so.

563
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:46,680
That's right.

564
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,680
Helpin'Texas.com.

565
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:48,680
Helpin' Texas.

566
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,680
Your Texas benefits.

567
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:55,640
That is great because the beauty of that is that they've really simplified the application

568
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,720
process.

569
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,600
You have one application for every benefit in Texas.

570
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,240
And I'm sure other states do it too.

571
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,680
I just mentioned Texas because that's what I'm versed in.

572
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:13,960
But there are one application that you fill out and it will be applicable to every resource

573
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,880
that's available, government-sponsored resource that's available, whether it be TANF, which

574
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:25,760
is temporary aid to needy families, or whether it be to food needs or transportation needs

575
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,880
or medical needs or, you know, et cetera.

576
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,440
Yeah, they also have the Texas Healthy Women, Healthy Women in Texas.

577
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,880
Healthy Women, which also, believe it or not, doesn't just cover pap and mammograms, et

578
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:38,880
cetera.

579
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,160
It can cover mental health as well.

580
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,160
Oh, that makes sense.

581
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,160
And birth control and that's, yes.

582
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:51,120
I'm pretty sure almost every person that applies for Healthy Women, Texas Healthy Women, I'm

583
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,800
pretty sure gets approved, if not automatically.

584
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,800
Yes.

585
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,560
And it's really very low qualifications for that.

586
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,880
Well, and it's such a great, I mean, that's just necessary.

587
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,360
Yeah, for sure.

588
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,360
Okay, so let's fast forward that.

589
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,400
You're a woman, you have medical needs, you can't afford to go get your pap smear.

590
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:14,680
Now you're worried, you know, now you're worried that you have, you know, a venereal

591
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:20,880
disease or you're pregnant, you have a lump in your breast, you have all these other things.

592
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,200
What's that going to do to your psyche?

593
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,200
Yeah, exactly.

594
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,200
Right?

595
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,200
You talk about stress.

596
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,200
Yeah.

597
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,200
I mean, now I'm worried about that.

598
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,240
Then I'm going to take that out on everybody around me because I'm worried about it, right?

599
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,080
So all of that is so interconnected.

600
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,800
Yeah, I wanted to, sorry, just edit what I said earlier.

601
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,200
What I said was accurate, but I also found a number, because that crisis text line, the

602
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,200
one that I said is available in Canada, the UK and Ireland actually.

603
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Oh, yeah.

604
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,560
So the United States and Canada is the one that I said you can text also the word home

605
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,480
to 741-741 in the US and Canada.

606
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,040
In the UK, the number is 85258.

607
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,840
And then in Ireland, the number is 50808.

608
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:58,840
Just to let anyone know.

609
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,840
Cool.

610
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:00,840
Listening to those countries, you can use those.

611
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,040
Also, I have a revision because somebody messaged on the Instagram that I put the wrong

612
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,320
correctional facility on.

613
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,800
I saw that.

614
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:16,120
So on Susan Smith, she was originally in Camille and then she moved to this other one.

615
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,120
Yeah, I remember seeing that.

616
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,120
Which was later, Leah Correctional Facility.

617
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,120
Yeah.

618
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,120
Yeah, comment.

619
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:26,720
So that user, I'm sorry, that user, that, what would you call, listener.

620
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:27,720
Yeah.

621
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,720
Sounds like three syllables.

622
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,720
What are those people that listen to the podcast call?

623
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,480
I don't know, they listen to the podcast.

624
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,960
So that listener was correct, yes.

625
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,280
She's currently not in the Camille correctional but was moved.

626
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,480
But apparently after she was moved was when she got into a lot of trouble.

627
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,480
Oh, nice.

628
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,480
Yeah.

629
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,480
I'm not nice.

630
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,480
Sorry.

631
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,480
She's just been doing drugs.

632
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,480
She's just been doing drugs.

633
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,480
Just not equal not nice.

634
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,480
Yeah.

635
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,040
So I have a couple of other factoids to throw out there.

636
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:03,000
We talk about those that are in counseling, even at those that have sought counseling,

637
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,320
27% feel like their needs have been unmet.

638
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,320
Wow.

639
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,320
So yeah, unmet.

640
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,720
So there is still even that.

641
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,760
That still further kind of underscores the fact that there's not that many counselors

642
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,760
available.

643
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,840
So even if you go through all of that process, you still feel like your needs have been unmet.

644
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,960
You open the wound, open the wound, open the wound and then you're still not there.

645
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:30,880
One of the other things that used to be, you know, I don't know the median age of our listeners,

646
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:40,120
but it, one of the things that used to be prior to 2014, you guys remember the ACA,

647
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,120
right?

648
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,120
The Affordable Care Act.

649
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,120
Yes.

650
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,760
It was just politically, it was a bomb.

651
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,920
Everybody was just like, I'm a bomb, I care.

652
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,240
We got to throw in this socialism and all this kind of stuff, right?

653
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:57,200
It depends on which side you sit on, but one of the beautiful things that came out of ACA

654
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:03,360
was the abolishment of a preexisting condition.

655
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:10,560
And no longer can an insurance company use a preexisting condition to deny you coverage,

656
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,200
which we personally were part of, right?

657
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,200
Go ahead.

658
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,680
Will you explain that a little bit more like what a preexisting condition means?

659
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,440
So a preexisting condition means that if you have ever been treated for this condition

660
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:28,320
before, you were insured by me, right, by this agency, you no longer get covered for

661
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,320
that.

662
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,200
In other words, I have diabetes, right?

663
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,680
And I change insurance companies.

664
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:40,320
Now, prior to 2014, the insurance company could say, oh, no, you've already been diagnosed

665
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,800
with this, so you're excluded.

666
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,560
You cannot be treated for diabetes and it'd be covered under this health plan.

667
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,800
Would you have to then go to a general practitioner underneath that insurance and then get another

668
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,280
referral and then get rediagnosed with it?

669
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,800
You'd have to change insurance plans.

670
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:55,800
Right.

671
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:56,800
It could not be covered.

672
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,800
They would not cover it for that.

673
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,120
Even if it's an ongoing condition?

674
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,120
Yes.

675
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,120
It's preexisting.

676
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,120
That's what I said.

677
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,120
It's BS.

678
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,120
So what does that mean?

679
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,120
You don't know diabetes anymore.

680
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,120
Yeah.

681
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,120
Just because you changed insurance says you're good.

682
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,120
You're cured.

683
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,120
Well, isn't that what healthcare is for?

684
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,120
Literally.

685
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,120
I mean, come on.

686
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,320
That also goes to mental health.

687
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,680
So if you didn't have been treated for anything mental health prior.

688
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,200
Oh, hell no.

689
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,200
Oh, yeah.

690
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,640
Imagine someone that's been diagnosed on the schizophrenia spectrum and they change

691
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,920
insurances and now they can no longer receive medication.

692
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,560
That is detrimental.

693
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:27,560
Hello.

694
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,560
That is telling people.

695
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,560
You're killing people.

696
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,560
Okay.

697
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,760
So case in point, Cameron.

698
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,800
That's exactly what happened with her.

699
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,400
She was diagnosed with a needed treatment for mental health.

700
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,480
We went from, I'm not even going to tell you the insurance company because I don't want

701
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:51,520
to get sued, but it was one plan by this company.

702
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,800
And it was covered under your dad.

703
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,960
Then it changed to my plan.

704
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:56,960
Same company.

705
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:57,960
What?

706
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:58,960
Different plan.

707
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,200
Same company.

708
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,160
Just with a different employer.

709
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,560
Different employer plan.

710
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,080
And they dropped her in the middle of that and said, sorry, you can't be treated for

711
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,080
that.

712
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,880
For the listeners that don't know, or that's our other sister, her name is Cameron.

713
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:11,880
Our mid-sister.

714
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:12,880
Yeah.

715
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:13,880
That is ridiculous.

716
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,880
Dropped her mid-treatment.

717
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,960
How long was she being treated?

718
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:26,080
She had been treated for a couple of years or so.

719
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,080
And then what?

720
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,800
She had just had to quit medication called turkey?

721
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:29,800
Exactly.

722
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,480
That is terrifying.

723
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,080
That is terrifying.

724
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,080
Can I sue them?

725
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,840
Because that was the way it was.

726
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,960
That's ridiculous.

727
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,400
So for about nine months, she went without treatment or medication.

728
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,640
Oh my gosh.

729
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:51,000
Somebody that has, anybody that's sitting on the schizophrenia spectrum, bipolar disorder,

730
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,840
that would break your brain.

731
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,440
That would break your brain.

732
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,680
I mean, case in point.

733
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,280
Case in point.

734
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,280
So really, really hard.

735
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,280
I did not know that.

736
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,120
That is the Affordable Care Act.

737
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:07,920
While it did have some things and does have some things that, you know, like one of the

738
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,880
things that people complained about is that they didn't want to be fined in their taxes

739
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,320
because they didn't have insurance.

740
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,320
And I get that.

741
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,320
You know, I get that.

742
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,320
Yeah.

743
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,320
I hated that.

744
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,960
But this other piece of it that you, that prior to ACA, you could be denied for existing

745
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,960
coverage.

746
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:23,960
I did not know that.

747
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:24,960
That is ridiculous.

748
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,960
Wow.

749
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:26,960
It sucks.

750
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:27,960
It sucked.

751
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:28,960
It sucked.

752
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:34,560
So anyway, that was, that, yeah, that's what happened.

753
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,560
That is true.

754
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,440
Well, I'm glad that it's been revised, I guess, but.

755
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,400
No, there's a lot of, there were a lot of benefits to it.

756
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,360
You know, I'm not a political person.

757
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,560
I'm not preaching political support here or there.

758
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,560
I just know what I believe in and what's comfortable.

759
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:50,560
Yeah.

760
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:51,560
What makes just normal sense.

761
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,560
Yeah.

762
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,560
I mean, that does make sense to me.

763
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,240
That does make sense to, you know, not have people stop their medications.

764
00:37:58,240 --> 00:37:59,240
Exactly.

765
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:01,240
But they're already getting treated for it.

766
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,240
It does make sense.

767
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,240
It does make sense.

768
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:04,240
It does make sense.

769
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,240
I'm sorry.

770
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:07,240
Yeah.

771
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:08,240
Oh my gosh.

772
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:09,240
That's awful.

773
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:10,240
So what else do you want to know?

774
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:11,240
What time is it?

775
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:12,240
6.55.

776
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:13,240
How long has it been?

777
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:14,240
About 40 minutes.

778
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:15,240
Oh, okay.

779
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:16,240
Only 40 minutes?

780
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:17,240
Yeah.

781
00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:18,240
I feel like we've covered so much.

782
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:19,240
I don't know.

783
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:20,240
Go ahead, Quill.

784
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:21,240
No questions.

785
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:22,240
Not that I have the answers.

786
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:28,240
Oh, tell us about the, the Battle of the Flowers thing.

787
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:29,240
Oh, yeah.

788
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:30,240
Oh, okay.

789
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:31,240
You.

790
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:33,240
Tell us about the Battle of the Flowers thing.

791
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:34,240
Okay, so.

792
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:37,240
Well, let's educate on what the Battle of the Flowers parade is though.

793
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:38,240
Oh, yeah.

794
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:39,240
San Antonio, non-Texas listeners.

795
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:40,240
Sure.

796
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:41,240
Okay, so this is kind of like our mental health peak.

797
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:43,240
Oh, well, I guess we haven't talked about it.

798
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:44,240
No, we're just talking about it.

799
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:45,240
We're just talking about it.

800
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:46,240
Interesting story.

801
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:47,240
I'm going to just talk about it.

802
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:48,240
Well, it kind of ties into true crime as well.

803
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:49,240
So, I mean.

804
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:50,240
True.

805
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:51,240
We won't go really too far into.

806
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:52,240
True.

807
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:56,240
Okay, so turn the page in the book.

808
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:57,240
New subject.

809
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:58,240
Sort of.

810
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:01,240
Should I just Google Battle of the Flowers?

811
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:04,240
What did what, what, what?

812
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:05,240
What?

813
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:06,240
What?

814
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:07,240
What?

815
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:08,240
I was going to start a wrap.

816
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:09,240
What?

817
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:10,240
What?

818
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:11,240
I would.

819
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:12,240
She's going to wrap to you guys about the Battle of the Flowers.

820
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:13,240
Hey, money.

821
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:14,240
It's a wrap.

822
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,240
It's a wrap.

823
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:16,240
Battle of the Flowers.

824
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:17,240
The wrap Battle of the Flowers.

825
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:24,240
So Fiesta, for those who don't know, Fiesta is a city-wide party in town.

826
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:25,240
The wrap, though.

827
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:26,240
San Antonio, Texas.

828
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:27,240
I've got myself out.

829
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:32,240
It's a city-wide party that lasts two plus weeks.

830
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:37,240
It happens around April of every year, and it is like the party to end all parties.

831
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:41,240
Kind of like if you were from New Orleans and you went to Mardi Gras, not as nasty as

832
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:42,240
that could be.

833
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:43,240
Oh, my God.

834
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:44,240
Sorry.

835
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:45,240
Tell us how you really feel.

836
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:47,240
Well, I'm just saying, because there's a lot of.

837
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:50,240
Because they don't have a bourbon street.

838
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,240
We have plenty of piss-filled streets, I promise.

839
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:53,240
No, not that.

840
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:54,240
I'm just talking about that.

841
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:55,240
Like flashing and flashing.

842
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,480
Flashing and flashing and beads and stuff.

843
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,800
That's not what Fiesta is about.

844
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,800
I don't know.

845
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:00,800
Maybe in some parts of Fiesta.

846
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,800
I don't know.

847
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:02,800
Definitely in some parts of Fiesta.

848
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:03,800
I'm sure it's going to be a nice one.

849
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,800
Anyway, strike that.

850
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,800
Strike that.

851
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,440
And I don't want to alienate our New Orleans friends.

852
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,440
Sorry.

853
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,440
Oh, no.

854
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,440
It's okay.

855
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,440
Because plenty.

856
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,040
Anyway, Fiesta is not just one event.

857
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,240
It's a series of events across the city.

858
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,240
Lots of fun.

859
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:28,240
A lot of nonprofits earn money throughout the year based on the festivals that they

860
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:29,240
have.

861
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:31,240
It's kind of their one big thing a year.

862
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:33,240
So anyway, it's just a big party.

863
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:35,240
Everybody has a good time at Fiesta.

864
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:36,240
Food is good.

865
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:37,240
Food is great.

866
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:42,840
One of the events that happens is the Battle of Flowers.

867
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:43,840
The history of it.

868
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,240
Koala will have to fill you in on it because she's scrolling here.

869
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,240
I'm scrolling.

870
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:48,240
I'm trying to find this.

871
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:52,240
The Battle of Flowers is a huge parade.

872
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:59,640
I think there's like four parades that week or those two weeks.

873
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,240
King William is one of my favorites.

874
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:03,240
They did a little dog parade.

875
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:04,240
It's super cute.

876
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:05,740
And they have a night parade.

877
00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:08,240
Everybody wears glow sticks and stuff like that.

878
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:09,240
Oh, that's cool.

879
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:10,240
Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

880
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:11,240
I say it like I haven't been.

881
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:12,240
Yeah.

882
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,240
Then there's a river parade.

883
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:15,740
It goes down the Sanchez River and on floats and stuff.

884
00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:17,240
Anyway, Battle of Flowers is huge.

885
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:21,740
Daytime parade, as a matter of fact, it's so big that the schools are closed on that

886
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:23,240
Friday when it happens.

887
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:24,240
Right?

888
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:27,240
And it's downtown San Antonio.

889
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:34,240
It's a gosh, I can't tell you how many miles long it is, but every school participates.

890
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:35,240
Oh, you know, it's just huge.

891
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:36,240
Right?

892
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:37,240
If you can imagine.

893
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,240
I actually danced in the Battle of Flowers parade.

894
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:40,240
Yeah.

895
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:44,240
So let's think like Rose Bowl parade.

896
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,240
It's kind of like that popular.

897
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:54,240
So the Battle of Flowers Association is a civic nonprofit organization whose objective is

898
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:58,240
to teach the history of our state and keep the patriotic traditions of Texas and San

899
00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:59,240
Antonio alive.

900
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:00,240
There you go.

901
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:01,240
But why do they call it Battle of Flowers?

902
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,240
Do they throw flowers at each other or something?

903
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:05,240
There's a lot of flowers.

904
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:06,240
Definitely a lot of flowers.

905
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:07,240
There's a lot of flowers.

906
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:08,240
It's kind of like Rose Bowl.

907
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:09,240
It's kind of like that, right?

908
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:11,240
All the floats have flowers on them.

909
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:17,240
And one of the things is all the queens, the beauty queens and the pageant queens and stuff,

910
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,240
all the participants yell, show us your boots.

911
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:21,240
Right?

912
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:22,240
Oh, instead of boobs.

913
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:23,240
Show us your boots.

914
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:24,240
Your shoes.

915
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:25,240
Show us your shoes.

916
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:26,240
Yeah.

917
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:27,240
And they all have cowboy boots on them.

918
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:28,240
Not Marty, girl.

919
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:32,240
They pull up their dress to their knees and they show their shoes, right?

920
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:33,240
I'm sorry, I keep kicking.

921
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:34,240
It's okay.

922
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:35,240
It's just very loud.

923
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:36,240
I'm sorry.

924
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:40,240
Anywho, that's what part of it is.

925
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:43,240
So it commemorates the Battle of the Alamo, essentially.

926
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,240
But it's from the perspective of women.

927
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:49,240
Or its celebration of women.

928
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:54,240
It says Fiesta is the city's biggest festival with an economic impact of $340 million for

929
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:55,240
the city.

930
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:56,240
That's wild.

931
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:59,240
So the city of San Antonio owns its annual Fiesta.

932
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:03,240
Oh, it's annual Fiesta to a small group of passionate, dedicated women who started it

933
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,240
all with the Battle of the Flowers Parade in 1891.

934
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,240
And that's the daughters of the Republic.

935
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:10,240
Yes.

936
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:18,240
I think the funny thing is that it's made like it's a thing so that you can keep the

937
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:23,240
history of our city alive and we like don't even know how to describe it without looking

938
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:24,240
at it.

939
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:27,440
It's just like people celebrating St. Patrick's Day and it's like, what do you like about St.

940
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,440
Patrick's Day?

941
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,440
Green beer.

942
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,440
Green.

943
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,440
It's green.

944
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,240
I got pinched because I didn't wear green.

945
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:35,240
All right, let's hear your story.

946
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:46,240
So anyway, 1979, a long time ago when I was in college, I am just trying to get comfortable

947
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:47,240
in college.

948
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,520
I know you're asked, are you falling asleep on these little chairs?

949
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:55,560
One of the places, well, I worked through college and one of the, the place that I worked

950
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,640
through college was called Paul Anderson Company.

951
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,240
It was an office supply company and it was, you know, clerical work and it was great.

952
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:04,240
It had a lot of great friends there, great family group, the whole thing.

953
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:09,760
Well, we had three locations in San Antonio and one of them was downtown on the parade

954
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,680
route, right?

955
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:18,680
So Mr. Anderson would close the store on Friday so that we could go to that location, 125 Broadway,

956
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:25,640
we could go to that location and we could watch the parade from the first or second

957
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,000
floor of the building, right?

958
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,840
So we didn't have to be in the crowd.

959
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,840
Yeah.

960
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,840
It would, it was super cool, right?

961
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:31,840
That is cool.

962
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,480
I mean, that he would close the, the, you know, the store, all three locations for us

963
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,320
so we could go do that.

964
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,680
So that's what we did.

965
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,400
Friends and I, we decided to go down there.

966
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,960
Well, let me back up just a second.

967
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:53,520
So throughout my life, I've been heavily involved in a, the Lutheran Church and the organizations

968
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:59,080
of the Lutheran Church and one of those things that we did to raise money for our youth groups

969
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,760
and all was we participated in the Lutheran coronation and the coronation is much like

970
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:10,320
the Fiesta coronation where they crown a queen and they have these big long ball gowns and

971
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,040
I mean, not even ball gowns, they have these long trains that are encrusted with jewels

972
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,920
and you know, all this.

973
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:25,080
And we, and it's to raise money for the Lutheran, like I said, for the Lutheran churches and

974
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,360
for the Lutheran hospitals here in San Antonio.

975
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,240
So my parents have always been very, very involved in that.

976
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:38,560
And even though I currently in 1979 was not in the coronation, my parents were still sponsors

977
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,960
of the, of the, the float because we would write in the float.

978
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:48,800
The queen would sit 12 feet up on the very top of this float with her train hanging down

979
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:49,800
the back of it.

980
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,800
Yes, you could see it all.

981
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,800
You could see it all.

982
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:52,800
That's gorgeous.

983
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,920
And then the, the, the coin, the princess was sitting the front and some of the pages

984
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,720
would sit all throughout it.

985
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:01,560
Well in order to be on the flow, because it's an April, right?

986
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,900
Winds blow up, you know, this whole thing.

987
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:09,600
You would as the queen, when I was the queen, you would, and when you were, when you were

988
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,280
in the queen too, oh gosh, not ancient history.

989
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,280
I thought you said 82.

990
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,360
No, no, no, no.

991
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,640
I was, um, no, uh, 79 was when this happened.

992
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:20,640
I was going for that.

993
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,320
Oh, so it was like 76, 75.

994
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,920
And then when she was missing in San Antonio, yeah, that's what I was missing.

995
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:27,920
It was like 80.

996
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:28,920
1980.

997
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:29,920
Okay.

998
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:30,920
Our mom was a queen.

999
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:31,920
Yes.

1000
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,200
She goes, she was in pageants.

1001
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,360
So, um, where was I?

1002
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,680
So my parents were still very, very involved in it.

1003
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,680
Oh, you were saying about April and it being windy.

1004
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:43,680
Yes.

1005
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:44,680
Oh yeah.

1006
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:45,680
That's what I was going to say.

1007
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:51,280
So in order for it to look appropriate, your dress had to be stapled down to float.

1008
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,600
Oh my gosh.

1009
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,280
I would be so uncomfortable.

1010
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,880
Well, don't you think like, hand make some of the clothes.

1011
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:57,880
Hand made some of the clothes.

1012
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:58,880
Oh, it's all handmade.

1013
00:46:58,880 --> 00:46:59,880
Yeah.

1014
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:00,880
It's all handmade.

1015
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:01,880
I'd be pissed off.

1016
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:02,880
They're all that work.

1017
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:03,880
You're going to staple.

1018
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:04,880
My shit.

1019
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:05,880
But otherwise the train that long, it could blow you off of there.

1020
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:06,880
Yeah.

1021
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:07,880
That's true.

1022
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,880
The train and the train's 15 feet long.

1023
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,880
There she goes.

1024
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:11,880
Like a little parachute.

1025
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,880
All I was thinking is like those drag race parachutes.

1026
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:14,880
Yeah.

1027
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,880
Like when you go to that.

1028
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,880
When you go too fast.

1029
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,720
So, uh, that year my sister was, my sister's nine years younger, right?

1030
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,120
And I was, how old was I in 79?

1031
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,960
I said the 18.

1032
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,520
And so it hadn't turned.

1033
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,520
Oh yeah.

1034
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,520
18.

1035
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,520
And so Wendy was 10, right?

1036
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,720
Eight is 10, 11, right?

1037
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:40,100
And uh, we were, oh, so back up.

1038
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:41,400
So we're all stapled down.

1039
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,440
Everybody stapled down this whole time.

1040
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:43,440
You were stapled down?

1041
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,440
No, not then.

1042
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:45,440
But before I had been.

1043
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,280
Leah Lunchen was the queen that you're a remember.

1044
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,800
Her dress was solid white with some pink flowers on it.

1045
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,320
I remember.

1046
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,000
That's important for the story.

1047
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Okay.

1048
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,120
So, fast forward, the parade is supposed to start.

1049
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,120
Okay.

1050
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,120
Okay.

1051
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,120
And you're on the roof or on the second floor.

1052
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,120
Second floor.

1053
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,920
And the second floor had a landing above the first floor that police officer was sitting.

1054
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:12,520
We had the windows open and the police officer was sitting on the landing, right?

1055
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,680
That that at the second floor, we had the windows up, but we're waiting for the parade

1056
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,840
just to go by.

1057
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:23,280
And um, we hear a walkie-talkie and the parade's supposed to start, you know, now mind you,

1058
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,520
there's a way before cell phones.

1059
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:25,520
Yeah.

1060
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,920
I mean, this is like, you know, if you needed somebody, you'd have to wait to meet them

1061
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,040
somewhere that you agreed upon earlier.

1062
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,520
And so we're hearing this back and forth.

1063
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:37,920
That dating sucked then.

1064
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:38,920
Yeah.

1065
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,800
Oh, you'd waited home all night for that phone to ring.

1066
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:41,800
Well, I guess what?

1067
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,040
If somebody would answer the phone, you go, hang up, hang up, I'm waiting for a call.

1068
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,040
Yeah, exactly.

1069
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,240
You still meet you at the restaurant at seven, you show up.

1070
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,800
There's no like texting like, Hey, are you close by?

1071
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,000
Like, are you just going to be, there's no luck, shut up, get off the internet.

1072
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,000
I need to use the phone.

1073
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,480
No, there's none of that.

1074
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,480
I remember that.

1075
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,480
Yes.

1076
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,760
So we're waiting and waiting and waiting.

1077
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,440
And it literally is like 30 minutes before when the parade is supposed to start.

1078
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,000
Well, we kept hearing this cop talking.

1079
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:17,160
Well, he finally says, I mean, it's probably, I don't know, in my memory, maybe 40, 45 minutes

1080
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,240
after the parade's supposed to start.

1081
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:22,480
And he says, there's a shooter.

1082
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,200
What at the beginning of the parade?

1083
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,400
Like at the start?

1084
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,040
Just to put it into perspective for everyone, the parade is very long.

1085
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,600
So when you're in the area that you're in, you have no idea what's going on at either

1086
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:33,600
end of the parade.

1087
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,640
Because it's so long, you can't even hear anything.

1088
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,800
So there's an active shooter, active shooter at the beginning of the parade.

1089
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,080
1979 was the first time I heard the word active shoot.

1090
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,600
What about the shooting at Austin University?

1091
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:46,600
Austin?

1092
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:47,920
No, University of Austin.

1093
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,840
That was that was 70s.

1094
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,160
I don't know when that was 73, something like that.

1095
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,840
But that was like Austin.

1096
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,960
So it was like an hour and a half away from me.

1097
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,080
And I didn't even register in my conscious.

1098
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,080
Yeah.

1099
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,080
That's crazy.

1100
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,080
So you heard it over the.

1101
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,080
I heard it over the cops.

1102
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,080
Oh, 66.

1103
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,080
Over the cops.

1104
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,080
The cops said.

1105
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,080
So it's 10 years after.

1106
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,080
There is a shooter.

1107
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,080
Oh my gosh.

1108
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,080
Oh my god.

1109
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,080
They're canceling the parade.

1110
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,080
I mean, all this is like coming out.

1111
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,080
Like boom, boom, boom, you know.

1112
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,080
And you're like a firsthand account of it.

1113
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,080
You're like, here they got it.

1114
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,080
I'm panicked.

1115
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,080
My parents and my sister are in the front.

1116
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,080
Of the parade.

1117
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,080
Oh my gosh.

1118
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,080
Yeah.

1119
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,080
That's so scary.

1120
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,080
I just got full body heaps again.

1121
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,080
Yeah.

1122
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,080
Because that is our float was down there.

1123
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,080
So what did you go?

1124
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,080
Went.

1125
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,080
We left.

1126
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,080
We left.

1127
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:42,080
And Tony, my boyfriend at the time, Tony, we drove home not knowing what we were going

1128
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,080
to find because you couldn't go.

1129
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,080
They wouldn't let you go up there.

1130
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,080
No.

1131
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,080
And how would you find them in that crowd?

1132
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,080
Yeah, that's true.

1133
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,080
It's true.

1134
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,080
And you can't text or call and be like, are you okay?

1135
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,080
Yeah.

1136
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,080
I'm like, oh my gosh.

1137
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:57,080
So I get home and I wait and I wait and I wait and no idea.

1138
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,080
Oh my God.

1139
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,080
That's so terrible.

1140
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,080
And I wait and I wait and a period of time.

1141
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:10,080
I don't know how long my parents show up and my mother is just white as that sheet right

1142
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,080
there.

1143
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,080
Oh my gosh.

1144
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,080
And she begins to tell us that they were her and Wendy.

1145
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:24,680
My dad was with the float and my sister and my mom were walking towards Broadway because

1146
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,080
it happened at Broadway and Grayson.

1147
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,080
Oh wow.

1148
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,080
Oh really?

1149
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,080
Yeah.

1150
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,080
Right where that Mexican restaurant is.

1151
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,080
That's like right there.

1152
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,080
Like Josephine kind of?

1153
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,080
Yeah.

1154
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,080
Right there.

1155
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,080
And so what happened was, well let me finish that account and I'll tell you who it was,

1156
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:45,320
but they start walking towards the front of the parade, which is at Broadway and Grayson.

1157
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,320
Ma and Wendy?

1158
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,320
Yes.

1159
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,320
Okay.

1160
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:53,320
And mom said she hears fireworks go off and she's like, oh the parade's getting ready

1161
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,320
to start.

1162
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:55,320
Let's hurry.

1163
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,320
Let's hurry.

1164
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,320
Oh my gosh.

1165
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,320
And so they start hurrying towards the front of the parade and they realize.

1166
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,320
Towards the noise because they think it's, oh my gosh.

1167
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,320
Oh my God.

1168
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:10,880
And they were probably a block away maybe and they were out, they were not under 35.

1169
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:11,880
But Paul was there.

1170
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,080
Paul was at the float, waiting at the float.

1171
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:21,200
And at the back of the float and mom and Wendy were walking towards the float, where the

1172
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,400
float was at and right towards that.

1173
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:30,280
And so they, mom said she just realized that people were running towards her.

1174
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,280
Like the opposite way.

1175
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,280
Oh hell no.

1176
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:33,280
With that.

1177
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,280
The call is coming from inside the house.

1178
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:42,880
Screaming, screaming and people were taking cover behind their lawn chairs.

1179
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,000
Because like where do you go?

1180
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,320
Especially without many people.

1181
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:52,000
When we were downtown at the George Floyd, well just you know, Black Lives Matter, the

1182
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,120
peaceful protest, there was a noise that happened or something.

1183
00:52:55,120 --> 00:53:01,920
And I mean it was like scared like the wildebeest moment in Lion King.

1184
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,120
Everybody's running in a certain direction.

1185
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,200
If you're standing still you're going to get run over.

1186
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,200
Yeah.

1187
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,200
Like you have to move.

1188
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,640
Well you know, you don't expect anything like that.

1189
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:14,200
So how quick does your brain have to go to register what's happening and why are people

1190
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,320
running towards us when the parade is that way?

1191
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,320
Yeah.

1192
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,320
Yeah.

1193
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,560
And especially at that time, you don't immediately think there's a shooter.

1194
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:22,560
Of course not.

1195
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,360
Nowadays you would, but at that time you would never think.

1196
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,360
But then you'd, yeah.

1197
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:31,240
And so mom said when she realized that there must be an emergency, she looked to her left

1198
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:33,080
her right, I'm not sure which.

1199
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,320
And all she could see was Leah in that white dress at the very top.

1200
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,680
Just trying to get out of the dress.

1201
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:41,680
My God.

1202
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,680
And she was like, oh my God, that's terrifying.

1203
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,880
That is so scary.

1204
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,380
My hands like over my mouth.

1205
00:53:48,380 --> 00:53:49,380
You can't move.

1206
00:53:49,380 --> 00:53:51,640
I mean you were stapled down.

1207
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,600
Like you were a, she zipped.

1208
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,960
She is zipped into the dress.

1209
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,560
Stapled at the top of 12 feet.

1210
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:58,560
A sitting duck.

1211
00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:59,560
Did she get shot?

1212
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:00,560
She did not get shot.

1213
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,560
Thank God.

1214
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:07,320
So someone from the group got up there, unzipped her.

1215
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,640
What's all she had on was just her undergarments.

1216
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:10,800
What a fucking hero.

1217
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,240
And she got down in her underwear.

1218
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:16,520
I would be down butt naked if I had to.

1219
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:17,520
Yeah.

1220
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:18,520
Yeah.

1221
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,640
So no one's worried about my parts when there's a ghost.

1222
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,760
Everybody's staring at that, not at me.

1223
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,920
So what happened was, and I don't know all the details.

1224
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:33,440
I don't know, you know, a ton of details of his history, but his name was, do I say his

1225
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:34,440
name?

1226
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:35,440
You could say it.

1227
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:36,440
Yeah.

1228
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:37,440
Ira Attabury.

1229
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,440
And he was well.

1230
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,440
Ira.

1231
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,440
Ira.

1232
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,440
Ira.

1233
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,440
Attabury, ATT, E, B, U, R, Y.

1234
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:44,940
Attabury.

1235
00:54:44,940 --> 00:54:54,440
He was a, apparently very well known in the mental health facilities in San Antonio, having

1236
00:54:54,440 --> 00:55:00,680
a history of mental illness stemming from some war trauma, et cetera.

1237
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,720
It says that he had PCP in his, in his strontia.

1238
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:06,160
And he was doing drugs.

1239
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,160
Wow.

1240
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:13,000
And he had done, he had taken his, his, his travel trailer and he had parked it at that

1241
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:20,400
corner of Grayson and Broadway the night before, two days before in preparation for

1242
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,400
the parade.

1243
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,600
Well, when people started gathering.

1244
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:24,920
Oh, so you had planned it.

1245
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:31,480
Don't know if he planned it or if it was, he thought, I'll just park here and I'll watch

1246
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,480
the parade.

1247
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:33,480
I got a good spot.

1248
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,480
But then when people started gathering.

1249
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:35,480
Seems like preparation.

1250
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:43,680
When people started gathering his paranoia set in and he thought all those people were

1251
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,240
trying to harm him.

1252
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:46,240
Interesting.

1253
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:47,240
Oh my God, that's so sad.

1254
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:48,240
Yeah.

1255
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:52,880
It looks like he had very serious mental illness from the military.

1256
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:58,040
And so he, he ended up taking his own life before this happened, before the police got

1257
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,040
there too.

1258
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,040
Oh really?

1259
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,560
Killed two and injured dozens.

1260
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,960
And he says, God, that's awful.

1261
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,200
And it was his own life before.

1262
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,200
I mean, that just after that shooting.

1263
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,200
Wow.

1264
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,200
In the trailer.

1265
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,200
Yeah.

1266
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,200
But he shot six San Antonio police officers.

1267
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,200
What?

1268
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,680
By the time the shots had stopped, he had killed two women and injured more than 50, including

1269
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:23,400
the SAPD officers, as well as men, women and children who had been caught.

1270
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,960
And they, I mean, the pictures is horrific.

1271
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,600
This is the day when the lawn chairs were metal aluminum and you opened up all the straps

1272
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:31,600
on them.

1273
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,000
People are hiding behind those.

1274
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,000
Just anything.

1275
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,480
Well, I mean, even that Amy Bishop story where that one woman went like this and it

1276
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:44,520
hit her finger and ricocheted and the bullet lodged in her cheek instead of killing her

1277
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:45,520
instantly.

1278
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:51,480
I mean, any moments like that, that happened with Richard Ramirez too.

1279
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,280
When he ambushed that woman coming out of her car in her own garage.

1280
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:56,280
Was it Richard?

1281
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,400
Yeah, it was Richard Ramirez.

1282
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,920
And same thing, she put her hands up with her keys and the bullet ricocheted off of

1283
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:03,920
the keys.

1284
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:08,360
I mean, anything is better than nothing, honestly, if you're going to try to protect

1285
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:09,360
yourself.

1286
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,560
So I think my mother toilet paper, I'm sorry, my notes, my mother had PTSD from that for

1287
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:14,560
a long time.

1288
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:15,560
Oh, I'm sure it was.

1289
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:21,320
She was, she was very gosh, here we go.

1290
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:22,320
He hears me in here.

1291
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:23,320
He does.

1292
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:24,320
Kota, she's in here.

1293
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,320
Kota.

1294
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:31,720
Uh, she was very immediately shocked for days.

1295
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,240
I want to say a full week.

1296
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,280
I mean, it just, I'd lay in bed.

1297
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:36,280
I mean, she did.

1298
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,400
I mean, she was just a zombie for, for, for a better phrase.

1299
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:41,400
It was loud.

1300
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:42,400
Sorry.

1301
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,400
It's okay.

1302
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,880
She just really, really struggled with that fear.

1303
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,760
You know, that was probably the most traumatic, immediate traumatic thing.

1304
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:50,760
Yeah.

1305
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:55,480
And for her first exposure to that kind of thing.

1306
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,600
Well, she would have been what, in her twenties?

1307
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,600
My mom?

1308
00:57:58,600 --> 00:57:59,600
Yeah.

1309
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,600
No, she would have been in, well, Wendy was a 10.

1310
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:02,600
30s.

1311
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:03,600
Well, Wendy was 10.

1312
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,040
And mom, mom would have been before 40.

1313
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,760
Y'all are going to hear the cat.

1314
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:08,760
Sorry.

1315
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:09,760
He sounds like he says mom.

1316
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,080
He's always asking for our mom.

1317
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,080
Mom?

1318
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,520
Kota, come here.

1319
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,920
That's the big black Tomcat that we were talking about.

1320
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,000
Um, this episode.

1321
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,520
We're talking about in the episode, or did we talk about in the mental breakdown?

1322
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:21,520
Oh, it was the episode.

1323
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:22,520
I don't remember.

1324
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,880
Well, that's wild.

1325
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,880
So your parents got home and then what happened?

1326
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:27,880
You guys just saw.

1327
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:28,880
Everybody collapsed.

1328
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:29,880
Yeah.

1329
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:30,880
That was just scary.

1330
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,760
I mean, that was the first time I saw a mom that shell shocked until Elvis died.

1331
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,760
Yeah.

1332
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,880
Then when Elvis died, she did the same thing.

1333
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:39,880
She locked herself in the bathroom.

1334
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,600
She locked herself in there and cried for a while.

1335
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:47,840
That's what Ruby, our grandmother, my dad's mom, that she, it was after JFK died, right?

1336
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:48,840
She did the same thing.

1337
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:49,840
Same thing.

1338
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:50,840
She locked herself in the bathroom.

1339
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:51,840
Hi, baby.

1340
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:52,840
Hi, baby.

1341
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:53,840
Oh my goodness.

1342
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,840
This is making so much noise for her though.

1343
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:56,840
You are amazing.

1344
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:57,840
All right.

1345
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:58,840
I think that's our cue to get out of Launa.

1346
00:58:58,840 --> 00:58:59,840
Why are we at?

1347
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:00,840
We're at the last.

1348
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:01,840
You'll have anything else.

1349
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:02,840
We're at an hour.

1350
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:03,840
Oh.

1351
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:04,840
Might be a little.

1352
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:05,840
You guys have anything else?

1353
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:06,840
Oh, Kota.

1354
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,840
He's wrapping up against the table.

1355
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,840
What are you doing?

1356
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,840
Well, I enjoyed this.

1357
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:14,840
Thank you.

1358
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:15,840
Yeah.

1359
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:16,840
Thanks for coming out.

1360
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:17,840
I hope my numbers were accurate.

1361
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:18,840
I think they were.

1362
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,760
If anybody has anything that is contrary to that, please correct me.

1363
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,760
We're throughout some more statistics.

1364
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:24,760
Yeah.

1365
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:25,760
I'll give some more statistics.

1366
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,840
I mean, it's unfortunate.

1367
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,920
I'm glad we have resources that people can go to.

1368
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:39,280
It's not, navigating the mental health system is challenging enough without knowing that

1369
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:40,760
there are other options.

1370
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:41,760
Yeah.

1371
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:42,760
Absolutely.

1372
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,760
It's never, don't let.

1373
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,080
He's ramming his head into the table.

1374
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:49,080
Stop.

1375
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:54,400
Don't let it deter you if you get a stop sign first.

1376
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,400
Yeah, absolutely.

1377
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:57,920
Don't let it deter you.

1378
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:58,920
Yeah.

1379
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:03,160
If you're, if your family member needs help, don't give up at the first closed door.

1380
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,400
You know, there are ways to get some help.

1381
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:12,560
And, you know, even if it's showing up at, you know, a mental health facility and saying,

1382
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:13,680
I need to be evaluated.

1383
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,120
My friend, my family member, except.

1384
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:17,320
Yeah, absolutely.

1385
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,200
And if you're working in a mental health facility and someone comes in and says that they need

1386
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,920
immediate assistance, don't send them to the ER to get help, please send them right there.

1387
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:25,920
Exactly.

1388
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,440
Because that's really unfortunate that that happens.

1389
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,440
Don't make them send an appointment.

1390
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:29,440
I also want to say.

1391
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:30,960
Yeah, don't make them follow up with an appointment.

1392
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,760
Yeah, I also want to say, if there's any, it's very, this cat.

1393
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:36,760
Hey buddy, come here.

1394
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,560
Say, my mom hungry.

1395
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:45,360
If there's any listeners outside the US, Canada, UK or England or Ireland that want

1396
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,120
to include maybe their local crisis numbers, please let us know and we'll put them in

1397
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,680
the show notes or we'll mention them on the next episode because we can only find so much,

1398
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:55,840
you know, online.

1399
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,680
If you have, you know, personal experience with that and you know that something is a

1400
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,320
really good resource, please let us know.

1401
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,680
Or even if you don't and you just heard, you know, that it's a good resource.

1402
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:07,560
Yeah, we did talk a lot about Texas, but yeah, if you want to post one that's in your area,

1403
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:12,360
even just on this Instagram, whatever this one posts, you just want to put that number

1404
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,680
in there as a comment.

1405
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,640
Yeah, I think that would be helpful.

1406
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:21,400
Yeah, and one thing I wanted to mention just briefly, if you do have a smartphone, and

1407
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:26,280
a lot of people don't, but if you do have a smartphone, there are online free counseling

1408
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,640
sessions available very frequently.

1409
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,880
So that is a resource that's available and you don't need insurance for that.

1410
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:33,880
Yeah, exactly.

1411
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,080
All right, well, we got to get this boy some food.

1412
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:37,080
He's freaking out.

1413
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:41,520
He always gets concerned when we're in the closet.

1414
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,520
He's like, what is this doing in here?

1415
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,680
Especially now that mom's in here, he's like, okay, something's going on.

1416
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:50,160
The only time we get in this closet, or when we used to when there was a door on it was

1417
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,120
when there was a tornado warning.

1418
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,480
Or we get in the bathtub in the front bathroom.

1419
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,440
The other thing that I think is going on is my suitcase is sitting out there.

1420
01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:59,440
Are you leaving?

1421
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:00,440
Yeah.

1422
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,920
All right, well, thank you guys for joining us.

1423
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,320
We hope you enjoyed this episode.

1424
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,800
Thanks, mom, for being here.

1425
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:06,800
Thank you.

1426
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,840
And we will be back soon with another mental breakdown.

1427
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:10,840
Yeah, of course.

1428
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,680
Are you going to say love you, bye with us?

1429
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:13,680
Love you, bye.

1430
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:14,680
Love you, bye.

1431
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:15,680
Bye.

1432
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:23,520
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