Hello!
I wanted to get one in there.
Welcome to our only second, I guess, second installment of DAK Live.
Yes, this is Diagnosing a Killer Live. My name is Kenna.
I'm Koelle.
And I'm Kristy, aka Mama.
That's our mom!
She's coming in here, she's bouncing her leg.
You can hear all of that, by the way.
Oh, really?
Yeah, it's a booth of the mic.
Yep, you can go to that.
The microphone's really sensitive, so like any little movement gets picked up.
But this is a DAK Live, and it is just that, so we are going to not edit.
This is going to be raw on Filter, just like the episode with Clark Finney.
And this is only the second time we've done this.
It's been over a year, almost a year and a half since we've done an episode like this.
Yeah, because I think that came out in what August, September?
It was December of 2021.
Was it? Yeah.
Because it was like a couple days before the Ken's Five video aired, right?
Yeah, you're right.
So yeah, we're going to do another one of these.
I don't know about any feedback on these.
Except for our friends and family.
So if you guys like these, we're probably going to start doing this every once in a while.
Not as frequent as the mental breakdown, but it's going to be just a regular conversation about good old mental health and good old true crime, kind of whatever.
Yeah, statistics and just raw unfiltered.
Perfect.
Well, before we get started, I just want to say again, thank you to everyone.
We always say our thank yous in the beginning.
We can, we can.
You can follow us on anywhere, social media wise at Diagnosting a Killer.
Twitter is at KillerDiagnosis.
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If you guys like to donate to the Patreon, we just put it in order for some new stickers that'll take you directly to our Instagram page, which is really cool.
I'm excited about those.
Yeah, they're going to be really nice with our QR code.
All of our patrons have the old ones and they will receive new ones as well.
And then, yeah, I think that's all I got to say for the beginning.
You ready?
Ready, let's go.
It's all fidgety.
I'm not fidgety.
Well, you were bouncing your legs and then when we said we could hear that, then you started picking at your nails.
To me, the same way when Coelle's talking in her case.
I gotta do something.
Yeah.
All right.
So, mom, take it away.
Just tell us a little bit about yourself.
So, the listeners, because we know all about you.
The listeners don't.
Well, let's see where to start.
First of all, I'm really proud of the girls and their, I know, don't be bashful.
They clipped.
I'm very, very proud of the girls and that they're following their passion with, you know, not only exploring mental health, but understanding more about it.
You know, as they've said, there's a lot of stigma around mental health and, you know, we fortunate or unfortunate have been surrounded kind of by mental health, you know, family members,
etc.
And that's kind of an, we've kind of embraced that we've known that that's just a part of life.
And it's more part of life than people, I think, want to really realize if they've never been exposed to it.
I'll throw out some numbers in just a little bit, but, you know, you constantly have repeated that you're not alone in having, you know, having relatives yourself.
No people care about people that have mental struggles.
And so anyway, I'm just, I'm just really proud of y'all to bring that to the forefront.
Thank you.
And be able to provide some clarity around that.
My background is pretty varied, but for the purposes of this podcast and kind of the focus here, I spent about 20 years or so in the managed care world in healthcare administration.
Including mental and physical health.
I've worked with countless healthcare providers to include, you know, primary care specialists, hospitals, inpatient facilities, outpatient facilities, mental health providers from PhDs all the way to social workers to, you know, just countless mental health providers.
And so it's been, it was really eye opening to me.
My focus in my professional life was more on the government sponsored health plans rather than private health plans, which is kind of a whole nother ball of wax.
I mean, for people that struggle with mental illness.
And I'll just, do you want me to jump into some numbers?
Sure, yeah.
And then we're going to address Texas because that's, you know, really where my focus has been. But for Texas, we have, you know, with Texas is big, right?
And we have 254 counties with lots of rural counties.
Or is this the best though?
Or is this the best?
Well, it just depends on where you sit.
Bargable.
But 254 counties, it's big. I mean, it's a big state and many of those I can't tell you off the top of head how many are rural, but meaning rural that there are, there's limited health care resources in rural counties, right?
And so out of, we have 29 million people in Texas.
Damn, that's a lot of people.
That's a lot of people.
That's older than I am in years of people.
Millions of people.
And again, I don't have the numbers off the top of my head regarding the rural, you know, location of those folks, but we're very spread out.
I mean, if you were to just to give anybody who's not familiar with Texas, if you were to start at the bottom of Texas, which is right next to Mexico, down in Brownsville, South Padre area, and you were to drive north, maybe more north west and end up in Dalhart, Texas, it would take you about 12 hours.
Yeah, it's freaking huge.
And I know we have listeners, like you said, people might not be familiar with Texas.
We have listeners all over the world.
Like I've shared with you, we have UK listeners, Australian listeners, people in Japan listen to us.
I think it's really cool.
And so of course, I know I listen to podcasts as well with people that are in the UK or in Australia and they kind of mention little towns and I'm like, oh man, I wonder where that is.
And I look it up.
So I think it's important to kind of explain because we like to think that the only people that are listening are people that know us, but that's not the case anymore.
That's really cool.
Right.
Yeah.
And it's big.
And you know, when you, I mean, like in Europe, 12 hours it gets across many countries, you know, I mean, it would get you across multiple countries.
And so, so it's big.
Even going to New York, kind of was like, we can just hop a train to Jersey.
Like that's just like right there.
That was weird, right?
And it's like a 15 minute train ride.
Yeah.
And we went through all the little cities of Jersey.
We went through Orange.
And then we finally made it to Summit.
And I was like, dang, that was like 30 minutes.
So in mind, we're like in a completely different city.
And like the hustle and bustle of New York, and it's so quiet in Summit, wasn't it?
Yeah.
There was like nobody around.
It was like a ghost town.
Yeah.
And it was interesting during the winter.
Yeah.
Everybody's at work and everybody's bundled up.
Yeah.
It was during the winter and it was so calm.
It was like, you know, cold, like it was, there was snow on the ground, but it wasn't falling, but it was like silent.
It was really different than what I used to.
I would imagine off season new brontils to be like.
Yeah.
With snow, you know?
Yeah.
It was really quiet.
Yeah.
So anyway, long story, Texas is huge, right?
29 million people.
And a lot of this that I'm going to talk about is from the Kaiser family website, which is KFF is what they prefer to be called now because they don't want to confuse it with, they're an expert on mental health, if you will, across the U.S.
And very reliable, they do a lot of statistical data and stuff like that to help you understand it.
But Texas, people in Texas that have reported, especially during the pandemic, struggles with mental illness or mental concerns, maybe not illness, but just concerns, depression, you know, feeling like isolation.
You know, all of that, which really came to a head during COVID when people were working from home and they were used to those faces and they weren't there anymore.
And then all your kids are home too.
And yeah, you've got to school them as well.
You know, it's just a, we all know what that pandemic did to everybody, but that's approximately 34% of Texans reported feeling some struggles.
Wow.
34%.
Well, that's interesting that you say the pandemic thing, because when you say rural counties and the pandemic, the rural counties have been an isolation, essentially, from the big city, bustle and bustle.
And they say they grew up in that situation.
You know, some people, it doesn't bother them and some people, it really affects them that they don't have a lot of resources or a lot of, you know, population in their area.
So it's kind of similar with the, I don't want to say similar because it's two completely different scenarios.
But with, you know, the pandemic, they feel that isolation of sorts.
Yeah, I could see that even in like a rural area, you know, when your weekly grocery trip is like, you know, a lot of your exposure to being out and or whatever, you know, going into town.
To get something rather and then not being able to do that at all.
Short.
Yeah.
Like how do you get groceries if you don't go with them?
Honestly, yeah.
True.
I mean, we're very fortunate to be where we are.
Well, and then those people that live in those rural areas, I think they're more accustomed to being kind of alone.
So those people that live in the big metropolitan areas, they're used to that hustle and bustle and that interaction.
Yeah.
So when that happened, it was like, whoa, stop, hold on, you know, I, I mean, I remember early on in the pandemic, it was like,
when down night decided to venture out, it was freaky.
We got in the car and we were going to go pick up something to eat.
Is he okay?
No, I think it was a phone that went off like in the other room.
I wouldn't have been mine.
I silenced mine.
So anyway, we went to go pick up something to eat.
We went to like five different places and like it was like the plague.
You know, you couldn't come in.
You could.
It was like, what do we do?
Stay away.
I just found it was really, it was really surprising.
Well, I enjoyed the highways.
I think everybody enjoyed the highways because we weren't supposed to be on them.
Six, you know, four is still two lanes and I'm 27.
Thank you very much.
It's like me and one other asshole that's going a hundred miles an hour.
You know, like, you're the only other person out here.
You think you're not going to get caught.
Yeah, I was just thinking that the auto bond, you can go as fast as you want though.
There's no one to stop me.
So lots of people, a third of the population, more than a third of the population was like, okay, I'm, this is really getting to me.
Yeah.
Right.
Now, whether those folks, you know, have a history of mental concerns or not, who knows, but that's just what's been reported.
Yeah, and that's, we're getting just reported.
It might have been up to half, you know, but I mean, I didn't report it.
I didn't report it.
Maybe I was a little bling.
So now here's what's really incredible.
That 34% represents 9.8 million people.
Okay.
So many.
Now here's the real shocking kind of like, oh my God, there are only 300,000 mental health providers in the state of Texas.
300,000.
Ew, I just got the full body heaps.
Shut up, Frankie.
I just got the full body heaps.
9.8 million people needed help from 300,000 mental health providers.
Wow.
That is.
Does that put it in perspective?
Yeah, that's right.
That almost makes me emotional.
Yeah.
Like, that's awful.
It's awful.
And guess what?
Those 300,000, those 300,000 may or may not take insurance.
Yeah.
They may only take insurance.
And they only take private insurance.
Exactly.
And that's where we really get.
Or referral from a GP or whatever.
You know, who knows with all the health plans that are out there and all the requirements that are from those health plans.
And you're making me cry, Koala, because it is.
Sorry.
And you go back to when we've had family members that needed help and nothing but just shut the door.
Yeah.
Shut the door.
And you feel so fucking helpless.
You just feel so helpless.
It's like, here, I know I have this issue.
I know I need help.
I know some in my family needs help.
But there's nowhere to turn.
Yeah.
And you go back to your house and you still have the same issue and you don't have anybody to talk to.
No resources.
You can't go see anybody.
And here's the real thing.
You need to see somebody that's impartial.
Right?
Yeah.
And I've said this all along.
Everybody could benefit from counseling.
Everybody in this world, right?
Could benefit from an independent counselor who can just vet your feelings, help you vet your feelings.
Be non-biased.
That's the key.
Because every family member has a vested interest in you as a family member, right?
And so they've all got their take on it.
And if I were going to tell you something, Ken, I would say it from mom's perspective and blah, blah, blah.
But the history of that person and then, oh, you're probably, it's probably this or it's probably that.
Or you're just being emotional, whatever.
But an independent counselor doesn't have that bias.
And that's why I think it's so important to not just be counseled by your family.
Of course, that's important because you want the support of your family.
But as far as helping you sort out these things that may be of your concern, it really takes, I believe, somebody independent.
And trained in how to help you navigate those feelings.
Of course.
And like you were saying, the 300,000 people, and I don't want to make any assumptions that I'm not speaking from a place of personal experience.
But how many of those 300,000 people, like, okay, like how many of those 300,000 people would be a match to help me specifically?
Exactly.
And that's only a handful of those people that would be a match for me.
So not only is it only 300,000 people for 9.2 million or whatever you said.
But now it's who's a right match for you.
And it's also who's really in it for the right reasons.
Because unfortunately, there are people that get that certification and that degree and I'm not mentioning specifics.
But they do it for the money.
And you can really do it.
And burnout, of course, there's a lot of different reasons why people aren't reaching their full potential as a thing.
And it's one of those things like I think I can save the world.
That's why I am trying to get my master's degree to do that so that I am the one that can help everyone.
I have had people that I know that it took so long to get a therapist in the first place.
Even though this therapist isn't working for them.
They stick with it.
I don't want to have to explain my story over and over and over and over and over again to a new person.
I mean, I've seen four different therapists and that's me not actively trying to find one that sticks.
I've just seen four different people.
And I mean, my most recent one I liked.
But could you imagine not being able to just because of time?
You need help now.
You don't need help.
I'm not going to go through this process.
It's going to take me another month or two just to talk to somebody new and then explain my story again.
Exactly.
And it's daunting.
Let me add to that because that's exactly right, but let me add to that, which is the ugly part of this.
And that is the insurance piece.
Yeah, I was just thinking about like not all those counselors, not all those 300,000 counselors are going to take your health plan.
Yeah.
Right.
And when you talk about Medicaid, which is the government sponsored health plan that low income folks can be on can qualify for.
There are even fewer than 300,000 that will accept Medicaid.
And the reality is Medicaid doesn't pay very well.
Right.
I mean, it doesn't pay as a counselor.
You know, the reimbursement rate is very low.
It's reality.
And I know a lot of counselors that do it because it's they feel like, you know, I'm trained.
It's part of my responsibility as a human, as a trained human being and as a counselor to help my fellow human being.
And so therefore, I'm going to take a very low reimbursement because I feel like it's important to me.
There's not a lot of them that I shouldn't say that I can't quantify that there may not be a lot of them that feel that way.
I appreciate you saying, especially when you when you said low income, it reminded me of lower funded areas too.
How many counselors do you think are in walking distance of you?
Exactly.
What if you don't have transportation?
I mean, you know, and you don't have, you know, a smartphone or whatever, you know, a PC and do a virtual visit, a virtual visit.
Yeah.
I mean, how many counselors do you think are in lower funded communities?
Probably not a lot.
Not a lot.
And then how about I have children.
So now I need to have childcare so that I can go talk to my counselor.
But I don't have a car.
Right.
So that's that is all encompassing when it comes to a Medicaid population.
What do you think would be like a good incentive for providers of mental health care?
What do you think would be like a good incentive for for people to want to participate more in the Medicaid system?
Well, I'm glad you asked because very recently, as a matter of fact, we had a gubernatorial candidate in the state of Texas who can and I were fortunate to meet.
I was like, you were there too.
And one of the questions that I asked this individual was, I think it's wonderful that you want to open the Medicaid roles and expand Medicaid to reach more people.
But what are you going to do?
You know, you can say, okay, let's open up the gates and we can have, let me see, do I even have the number here?
I like that all the noises are in this too.
Like the clinking of the glass and like the drinking of the water.
Hey, it's real life.
It's a real world.
Get used to it.
I don't have the number down here.
But anyway, it's out of the Medicaid.
What was it?
What was your question?
More incentives.
More incentives, yes.
Yeah, for people to participate in Medicaid.
Yes. I don't know how many, I don't know, that's the number.
I don't have the number down here about how many people that are on Medicaid in the state of Texas.
I'm sorry, I'm speaking of Texas seeking mental health services.
But let's just say it's, you know, why?
Well, if you want to open why up and now you have why and Z population, right?
You've just increased it by Z.
Who's going to see Z?
Right? Who is going to CZ? If your providers are already saying, nope, that's it. I'll
take 100 patients a month and that's all I'm going to take.
So you're saying we can expand Medicaid as far as budget, but that doesn't necessarily
mean that more people are going to be seen. You're just going to add more people to the
roles with no more resources to help them. So what's going to have to happen is there
needs to be a financial incentive for those providers, the Medicaid, I'm running for the
governor, but it needs to-
I think you would do a great job.
The effects.
There needs to be a better reimbursement rate.
So I will just pet through this in here. When I worked at the counseling center there
was, I mean, we had 80 plus counselors. Each person is just that one person and they took
maybe like 60 to 70 patients per counselor.
You can't physically fit more than a certain amount of people in your schedule to see them.
They see eight people a day, you know, eight hours, an hour per session, actually seven
because they need an hour for lunch or sometimes they would see people during their lunch.
Exactly. They have like 15 minutes between each person. Some of them do after hours and
stuff like that, but there's only so much time that one person has. So what I think
it really boils down to is teaching why mental health is so important at a young age in school,
making a mandatory intro to psych class in high school, and getting more people exposed
to the career field of mental health.
Because if you have more people understanding, not only are you going to have people that
can help themselves because now they understand what they might be experiencing and how to
treat it because they have that education, but you might also have people that are more
willing to pursue that as a career just because of one class in high school. I mean, shit,
I had, you know, health, for example, in high school, it's required for everything. I learned
a lot in health class. I got CPR certified because of health class. Like that is an important
thing that I think everyone should have to take at least high school.
For sure.
But educating people early on, again, more jobs that will be potentially looked into,
and now you know how to treat anxiety for yourself if you're experiencing that later
in life.
For sure. There's a child psychologist at my kids' school this year, which I thought
is really cool. They sit in and on the meetings, parent-teacher meetings, things like that
as well. Excuse me, talking about developmentally and talking about emotionally and developmentally
where your child is at as far as these maybe mental milestones, things like that, how they're
participating with other kids, any warning signs about behavior or any of that other
stuff. And he's an elementary school.
That's great.
That should be a thing.
Does that child psychologist do any kind of classroom work or are they just in there
in case a child needs to see them? Because I like the idea of having an on-site counselor
if a child needs additional assistance or if they come for it. But I also think that
that person should be hosting not like 7 hours, but you know what I mean? Like being more integrated
in the classroom instead of just sitting there in case of a crisis.
This is more of like a guidance counselor, but this is a child psychologist. From my
understanding, the child psychologist goes into the classroom and observes behavior.
That's what I was asking.
That's awesome.
I mean, it's just a recess or watches for those signs and how kids interact with each
other.
That is absolutely amazing.
So the kids know them and probably feels comfortable speaking with them if anything.
Yeah.
Well, that's great. I didn't have that even when I was in elementary school. I don't know
the youngest of the three.
That was what I was going to say and that ties in really well, Koa, because one of the
things that we're talking about, how do we address all of this? One of those is awareness
that mental health is not a stigma. It should not be a stigma. And the fact that, I mean,
mental health and physical health are equal. And the more mental health issues you have,
the more physical health issues you're going to exhibit, right? Or vice versa. If I'm
feeling really physically sick, it's going to weigh on my psyche. It's going to weigh
on my mental health. If my mental health is not good, then I'm not going to take care
of my body.
And so the fact that the integration is in school early on, it shows kids very early,
this is nothing to be ashamed of.
Yeah.
You know, this is, in fact, it's not even going to be a topic in the future that I should
be ashamed of. It's going to be so normal for them. I pray that it becomes so normal
for them that they don't, you know, it's because you can't see it that people think it's abnormal.
It's not real, right? It's in here, right? And I'm pointing to my head. It's in here.
It's in here. I can't see that.
It's really funny in the way.
It's in here. I can't see cancer. I can't see mental health.
Yeah, of course.
But it's real.
I mean, I'll be the first to say like none of us are perfect. All of us experience mental
health issues, myself included especially. And I still have anxiety. I had anxiety this
morning. It doesn't go away. But now I know how to, I had it last night and I had it this
morning actually.
It's the chest tightening for me. I can't stand that feeling.
Yeah. But now I know how to approach that for myself because I'm educated on it. It's
not like a couple of years ago, like I said in the last DAK Live, I would just freak out
and have a panic attack. And now I'm like, okay, cool. I have a panic attack going on.
Even Casey, like I've educated Casey on it too. Last night I told him, I said, I'm having
a panic attack. I wasn't talking and he was like, what's wrong? And I was like, I'm trying
to prevent myself because I feel like I might have a panic attack coming on. And he goes,
okay, you're okay. You're safe. Like now he's known knows how to respond to me because we've
educated each other on what we need in that moment.
And it's not again, we always say this.
Instead of saying, oh, you're not, you're fine.
Chill out, you're fine.
Oh, just get over it.
Just get over it.
Just don't think about it.
Never thought about it.
Just don't think about it.
I wish you'd have been around.
You must have a degree.
For real.
But no, and like it's again.
I'm scared of you.
Oh, God, seriously.
Yeah, let's just pepper this in here though.
We don't need to protect ourselves from people with mental illness.
True. Yeah, let's go ahead and talk about that for a while.
Let's talk about that.
Even with mental illness, they're not scary. You don't need to protect yourself.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Don't avoid.
And you don't need to learn how to spot a psychopath.
Yeah.
You need to learn the signs of the symptoms and the psychos.
I'm sorry.
You don't need to learn how to spot a psychopath.
You need to learn the signs of the symptoms and the psychos.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, let me just change this around for a second.
I have my binoculars.
Yeah, I'm spotting a psychopath.
Exactly.
I did actually find earlier, I didn't want to do like extensive research before this
episode, but I did find something that I didn't know existed.
So there's actually a crisis text line.
Yes.
Oh, a text line.
Oh, cool.
Okay.
And it is, you text the word.
Crisis.
It sounds like like a capital T at the end.
Crisis.
It's a crisis.
And it's a word in the land that works.
It's a crisis.
Because I said crisis text is what I said.
Oh, I see.
I see.
Okay.
It's a crisis text line.
You text the word stop.
No, not sign.
Stop.
Stop it.
You get some help.
You text the word signs.
S-I-G-N-S.
Okay.
To 741-741.
This will give you 24-7 anonymous free crisis counseling.
That is amazing.
Anonymous and free 24-7 crisis counseling.
Again, you text the word signs to 741-741.
I think it is national because it comes from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
website.
And that's really good.
Also, I'll put that in the show notes so that you guys, if you missed that, you can
read it down there.
There is also a disaster distress helpline.
You can call or text.
And the number is 1-800-985-5990.
And you can also press 2 for Spanish.
They have it in Spanish as well.
I just thought those were interesting.
That's very good.
And informative because we always put the national suicide hotline and then the Trevor
Project at our show notes.
But those two we haven't mentioned yet on the episodes.
So those are good ones.
And then this website, it's literally the, again, CDC.
So it's CDC.gov slash mental health.
And it has all of those phone numbers from veterans for the elderly for now, domestic
abuse, all of that stuff.
So I found that earlier.
I thought that was nice to pepper it.
That's really, really good.
I always say pepper it in.
So should we salt it in sometimes?
No, just always pepper it in.
I'm allergic to pepper.
So while we're on the topic of resources, NAMI, which is N-A-M-I, National Association
of Mental Illness, that is a great website for resources of any kind related to, there's
actually a NAMI day where it's, it's meant to raise the, and kind of erase the stigma
of mental illness.
So great resources there.
Also, in the state of Texas, I know that many of the listeners are not, but in the
state of Texas, you can call 211 option eight, which is a direct line to the local mental
health authority for that area.
Oh, wow.
It's a crisis hotline.
The local mental health authorities are, they used to call them MHMRs, Mental Health
Mental Retardation Centers.
That's an old, old outdated phrase.
But the MHMRs are staffed specifically for mental health, obviously, and mental health
resources.
And they will also be a resource for those in crisis, immediate crisis, right?
If you have a family member who's in crisis, you can call this and get help immediately.
Advice, you know, if there needs to be immediate resources sent to your home or wherever you're
at, you can meet them.
Wow.
That's definitely one.
Ooh, I have goosebumps again.
Yeah, definitely a place to go.
And 211 is also a way to also apply for government assistance as well.
That's right.
Yeah, so.
That's right.
Helpin'Texas.com.
Helpin' Texas.
Your Texas benefits.
That is great because the beauty of that is that they've really simplified the application
process.
You have one application for every benefit in Texas.
And I'm sure other states do it too.
I just mentioned Texas because that's what I'm versed in.
But there are one application that you fill out and it will be applicable to every resource
that's available, government-sponsored resource that's available, whether it be TANF, which
is temporary aid to needy families, or whether it be to food needs or transportation needs
or medical needs or, you know, et cetera.
Yeah, they also have the Texas Healthy Women, Healthy Women in Texas.
Healthy Women, which also, believe it or not, doesn't just cover pap and mammograms, et
cetera.
It can cover mental health as well.
Oh, that makes sense.
And birth control and that's, yes.
I'm pretty sure almost every person that applies for Healthy Women, Texas Healthy Women, I'm
pretty sure gets approved, if not automatically.
Yes.
And it's really very low qualifications for that.
Well, and it's such a great, I mean, that's just necessary.
Yeah, for sure.
Okay, so let's fast forward that.
You're a woman, you have medical needs, you can't afford to go get your pap smear.
Now you're worried, you know, now you're worried that you have, you know, a venereal
disease or you're pregnant, you have a lump in your breast, you have all these other things.
What's that going to do to your psyche?
Yeah, exactly.
Right?
You talk about stress.
Yeah.
I mean, now I'm worried about that.
Then I'm going to take that out on everybody around me because I'm worried about it, right?
So all of that is so interconnected.
Yeah, I wanted to, sorry, just edit what I said earlier.
What I said was accurate, but I also found a number, because that crisis text line, the
one that I said is available in Canada, the UK and Ireland actually.
Oh, yeah.
So the United States and Canada is the one that I said you can text also the word home
to 741-741 in the US and Canada.
In the UK, the number is 85258.
And then in Ireland, the number is 50808.
Just to let anyone know.
Cool.
Listening to those countries, you can use those.
Also, I have a revision because somebody messaged on the Instagram that I put the wrong
correctional facility on.
I saw that.
So on Susan Smith, she was originally in Camille and then she moved to this other one.
Yeah, I remember seeing that.
Which was later, Leah Correctional Facility.
Yeah.
Yeah, comment.
So that user, I'm sorry, that user, that, what would you call, listener.
Yeah.
Sounds like three syllables.
What are those people that listen to the podcast call?
I don't know, they listen to the podcast.
So that listener was correct, yes.
She's currently not in the Camille correctional but was moved.
But apparently after she was moved was when she got into a lot of trouble.
Oh, nice.
Yeah.
I'm not nice.
Sorry.
She's just been doing drugs.
Just not equal not nice.
Yeah.
So I have a couple of other factoids to throw out there.
We talk about those that are in counseling, even at those that have sought counseling,
27% feel like their needs have been unmet.
Wow.
So yeah, unmet.
So there is still even that.
That still further kind of underscores the fact that there's not that many counselors
available.
So even if you go through all of that process, you still feel like your needs have been unmet.
You open the wound, open the wound, open the wound and then you're still not there.
One of the other things that used to be, you know, I don't know the median age of our listeners,
but it, one of the things that used to be prior to 2014, you guys remember the ACA,
right?
The Affordable Care Act.
Yes.
It was just politically, it was a bomb.
Everybody was just like, I'm a bomb, I care.
We got to throw in this socialism and all this kind of stuff, right?
It depends on which side you sit on, but one of the beautiful things that came out of ACA
was the abolishment of a preexisting condition.
And no longer can an insurance company use a preexisting condition to deny you coverage,
which we personally were part of, right?
Go ahead.
Will you explain that a little bit more like what a preexisting condition means?
So a preexisting condition means that if you have ever been treated for this condition
before, you were insured by me, right, by this agency, you no longer get covered for
that.
In other words, I have diabetes, right?
And I change insurance companies.
Now, prior to 2014, the insurance company could say, oh, no, you've already been diagnosed
with this, so you're excluded.
You cannot be treated for diabetes and it'd be covered under this health plan.
Would you have to then go to a general practitioner underneath that insurance and then get another
referral and then get rediagnosed with it?
You'd have to change insurance plans.
Right.
It could not be covered.
They would not cover it for that.
Even if it's an ongoing condition?
Yes.
It's preexisting.
That's what I said.
It's BS.
So what does that mean?
You don't know diabetes anymore.
Yeah.
Just because you changed insurance says you're good.
You're cured.
Well, isn't that what healthcare is for?
Literally.
I mean, come on.
That also goes to mental health.
So if you didn't have been treated for anything mental health prior.
Oh, hell no.
Oh, yeah.
Imagine someone that's been diagnosed on the schizophrenia spectrum and they change
insurances and now they can no longer receive medication.
That is detrimental.
Hello.
That is telling people.
You're killing people.
Okay.
So case in point, Cameron.
That's exactly what happened with her.
She was diagnosed with a needed treatment for mental health.
We went from, I'm not even going to tell you the insurance company because I don't want
to get sued, but it was one plan by this company.
And it was covered under your dad.
Then it changed to my plan.
Same company.
What?
Different plan.
Same company.
Just with a different employer.
Different employer plan.
And they dropped her in the middle of that and said, sorry, you can't be treated for
that.
For the listeners that don't know, or that's our other sister, her name is Cameron.
Our mid-sister.
Yeah.
That is ridiculous.
Dropped her mid-treatment.
How long was she being treated?
She had been treated for a couple of years or so.
And then what?
She had just had to quit medication called turkey?
Exactly.
That is terrifying.
Can I sue them?
Because that was the way it was.
That's ridiculous.
So for about nine months, she went without treatment or medication.
Oh my gosh.
Somebody that has, anybody that's sitting on the schizophrenia spectrum, bipolar disorder,
that would break your brain.
That would break your brain.
I mean, case in point.
Case in point.
So really, really hard.
I did not know that.
That is the Affordable Care Act.
While it did have some things and does have some things that, you know, like one of the
things that people complained about is that they didn't want to be fined in their taxes
because they didn't have insurance.
And I get that.
You know, I get that.
Yeah.
I hated that.
But this other piece of it that you, that prior to ACA, you could be denied for existing
coverage.
I did not know that.
That is ridiculous.
Wow.
It sucks.
It sucked.
So anyway, that was, that, yeah, that's what happened.
That is true.
Well, I'm glad that it's been revised, I guess, but.
No, there's a lot of, there were a lot of benefits to it.
You know, I'm not a political person.
I'm not preaching political support here or there.
I just know what I believe in and what's comfortable.
Yeah.
What makes just normal sense.
Yeah.
I mean, that does make sense to me.
That does make sense to, you know, not have people stop their medications.
Exactly.
But they're already getting treated for it.
It does make sense.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
That's awful.
So what else do you want to know?
What time is it?
6.55.
How long has it been?
About 40 minutes.
Oh, okay.
Only 40 minutes?
Yeah.
I feel like we've covered so much.
I don't know.
Go ahead, Quill.
No questions.
Not that I have the answers.
Oh, tell us about the, the Battle of the Flowers thing.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, okay.
You.
Tell us about the Battle of the Flowers thing.
Okay, so.
Well, let's educate on what the Battle of the Flowers parade is though.
Oh, yeah.
San Antonio, non-Texas listeners.
Sure.
Okay, so this is kind of like our mental health peak.
Oh, well, I guess we haven't talked about it.
No, we're just talking about it.
We're just talking about it.
Interesting story.
I'm going to just talk about it.
Well, it kind of ties into true crime as well.
So, I mean.
True.
We won't go really too far into.
True.
Okay, so turn the page in the book.
New subject.
Sort of.
Should I just Google Battle of the Flowers?
What did what, what, what?
What?
I was going to start a wrap.
What?
I would.
She's going to wrap to you guys about the Battle of the Flowers.
Hey, money.
It's a wrap.
Battle of the Flowers.
The wrap Battle of the Flowers.
So Fiesta, for those who don't know, Fiesta is a city-wide party in town.
The wrap, though.
San Antonio, Texas.
I've got myself out.
It's a city-wide party that lasts two plus weeks.
It happens around April of every year, and it is like the party to end all parties.
Kind of like if you were from New Orleans and you went to Mardi Gras, not as nasty as
that could be.
Oh, my God.
Sorry.
Tell us how you really feel.
Well, I'm just saying, because there's a lot of.
Because they don't have a bourbon street.
We have plenty of piss-filled streets, I promise.
No, not that.
I'm just talking about that.
Like flashing and flashing.
Flashing and flashing and beads and stuff.
That's not what Fiesta is about.
I don't know.
Maybe in some parts of Fiesta.
I don't know.
Definitely in some parts of Fiesta.
I'm sure it's going to be a nice one.
Anyway, strike that.
Strike that.
And I don't want to alienate our New Orleans friends.
Sorry.
Oh, no.
It's okay.
Because plenty.
Anyway, Fiesta is not just one event.
It's a series of events across the city.
Lots of fun.
A lot of nonprofits earn money throughout the year based on the festivals that they
have.
It's kind of their one big thing a year.
So anyway, it's just a big party.
Everybody has a good time at Fiesta.
Food is good.
Food is great.
One of the events that happens is the Battle of Flowers.
The history of it.
Koala will have to fill you in on it because she's scrolling here.
I'm scrolling.
I'm trying to find this.
The Battle of Flowers is a huge parade.
I think there's like four parades that week or those two weeks.
King William is one of my favorites.
They did a little dog parade.
It's super cute.
And they have a night parade.
Everybody wears glow sticks and stuff like that.
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
I say it like I haven't been.
Yeah.
Then there's a river parade.
It goes down the Sanchez River and on floats and stuff.
Anyway, Battle of Flowers is huge.
Daytime parade, as a matter of fact, it's so big that the schools are closed on that
Friday when it happens.
Right?
And it's downtown San Antonio.
It's a gosh, I can't tell you how many miles long it is, but every school participates.
Oh, you know, it's just huge.
Right?
If you can imagine.
I actually danced in the Battle of Flowers parade.
Yeah.
So let's think like Rose Bowl parade.
It's kind of like that popular.
So the Battle of Flowers Association is a civic nonprofit organization whose objective is
to teach the history of our state and keep the patriotic traditions of Texas and San
Antonio alive.
There you go.
But why do they call it Battle of Flowers?
Do they throw flowers at each other or something?
There's a lot of flowers.
Definitely a lot of flowers.
There's a lot of flowers.
It's kind of like Rose Bowl.
It's kind of like that, right?
All the floats have flowers on them.
And one of the things is all the queens, the beauty queens and the pageant queens and stuff,
all the participants yell, show us your boots.
Right?
Oh, instead of boobs.
Show us your boots.
Your shoes.
Show us your shoes.
Yeah.
And they all have cowboy boots on them.
Not Marty, girl.
They pull up their dress to their knees and they show their shoes, right?
I'm sorry, I keep kicking.
It's okay.
It's just very loud.
I'm sorry.
Anywho, that's what part of it is.
So it commemorates the Battle of the Alamo, essentially.
But it's from the perspective of women.
Or its celebration of women.
It says Fiesta is the city's biggest festival with an economic impact of $340 million for
the city.
That's wild.
So the city of San Antonio owns its annual Fiesta.
Oh, it's annual Fiesta to a small group of passionate, dedicated women who started it
all with the Battle of the Flowers Parade in 1891.
And that's the daughters of the Republic.
Yes.
I think the funny thing is that it's made like it's a thing so that you can keep the
history of our city alive and we like don't even know how to describe it without looking
at it.
It's just like people celebrating St. Patrick's Day and it's like, what do you like about St.
Patrick's Day?
Green beer.
Green.
It's green.
I got pinched because I didn't wear green.
All right, let's hear your story.
So anyway, 1979, a long time ago when I was in college, I am just trying to get comfortable
in college.
I know you're asked, are you falling asleep on these little chairs?
One of the places, well, I worked through college and one of the, the place that I worked
through college was called Paul Anderson Company.
It was an office supply company and it was, you know, clerical work and it was great.
It had a lot of great friends there, great family group, the whole thing.
Well, we had three locations in San Antonio and one of them was downtown on the parade
route, right?
So Mr. Anderson would close the store on Friday so that we could go to that location, 125 Broadway,
we could go to that location and we could watch the parade from the first or second
floor of the building, right?
So we didn't have to be in the crowd.
Yeah.
It would, it was super cool, right?
That is cool.
I mean, that he would close the, the, you know, the store, all three locations for us
so we could go do that.
So that's what we did.
Friends and I, we decided to go down there.
Well, let me back up just a second.
So throughout my life, I've been heavily involved in a, the Lutheran Church and the organizations
of the Lutheran Church and one of those things that we did to raise money for our youth groups
and all was we participated in the Lutheran coronation and the coronation is much like
the Fiesta coronation where they crown a queen and they have these big long ball gowns and
I mean, not even ball gowns, they have these long trains that are encrusted with jewels
and you know, all this.
And we, and it's to raise money for the Lutheran, like I said, for the Lutheran churches and
for the Lutheran hospitals here in San Antonio.
So my parents have always been very, very involved in that.
And even though I currently in 1979 was not in the coronation, my parents were still sponsors
of the, of the, the float because we would write in the float.
The queen would sit 12 feet up on the very top of this float with her train hanging down
the back of it.
Yes, you could see it all.
You could see it all.
That's gorgeous.
And then the, the, the coin, the princess was sitting the front and some of the pages
would sit all throughout it.
Well in order to be on the flow, because it's an April, right?
Winds blow up, you know, this whole thing.
You would as the queen, when I was the queen, you would, and when you were, when you were
in the queen too, oh gosh, not ancient history.
I thought you said 82.
No, no, no, no.
I was, um, no, uh, 79 was when this happened.
I was going for that.
Oh, so it was like 76, 75.
And then when she was missing in San Antonio, yeah, that's what I was missing.
It was like 80.
1980.
Okay.
Our mom was a queen.
Yes.
She goes, she was in pageants.
So, um, where was I?
So my parents were still very, very involved in it.
Oh, you were saying about April and it being windy.
Yes.
Oh yeah.
That's what I was going to say.
So in order for it to look appropriate, your dress had to be stapled down to float.
Oh my gosh.
I would be so uncomfortable.
Well, don't you think like, hand make some of the clothes.
Hand made some of the clothes.
Oh, it's all handmade.
Yeah.
It's all handmade.
I'd be pissed off.
They're all that work.
You're going to staple.
My shit.
But otherwise the train that long, it could blow you off of there.
Yeah.
That's true.
The train and the train's 15 feet long.
There she goes.
Like a little parachute.
All I was thinking is like those drag race parachutes.
Yeah.
Like when you go to that.
When you go too fast.
So, uh, that year my sister was, my sister's nine years younger, right?
And I was, how old was I in 79?
I said the 18.
And so it hadn't turned.
Oh yeah.
18.
And so Wendy was 10, right?
Eight is 10, 11, right?
And uh, we were, oh, so back up.
So we're all stapled down.
Everybody stapled down this whole time.
You were stapled down?
No, not then.
But before I had been.
Leah Lunchen was the queen that you're a remember.
Her dress was solid white with some pink flowers on it.
I remember.
That's important for the story.
Okay.
So, fast forward, the parade is supposed to start.
Okay.
And you're on the roof or on the second floor.
Second floor.
And the second floor had a landing above the first floor that police officer was sitting.
We had the windows open and the police officer was sitting on the landing, right?
That that at the second floor, we had the windows up, but we're waiting for the parade
just to go by.
And um, we hear a walkie-talkie and the parade's supposed to start, you know, now mind you,
there's a way before cell phones.
Yeah.
I mean, this is like, you know, if you needed somebody, you'd have to wait to meet them
somewhere that you agreed upon earlier.
And so we're hearing this back and forth.
That dating sucked then.
Yeah.
Oh, you'd waited home all night for that phone to ring.
Well, I guess what?
If somebody would answer the phone, you go, hang up, hang up, I'm waiting for a call.
Yeah, exactly.
You still meet you at the restaurant at seven, you show up.
There's no like texting like, Hey, are you close by?
Like, are you just going to be, there's no luck, shut up, get off the internet.
I need to use the phone.
No, there's none of that.
I remember that.
Yes.
So we're waiting and waiting and waiting.
And it literally is like 30 minutes before when the parade is supposed to start.
Well, we kept hearing this cop talking.
Well, he finally says, I mean, it's probably, I don't know, in my memory, maybe 40, 45 minutes
after the parade's supposed to start.
And he says, there's a shooter.
What at the beginning of the parade?
Like at the start?
Just to put it into perspective for everyone, the parade is very long.
So when you're in the area that you're in, you have no idea what's going on at either
end of the parade.
Because it's so long, you can't even hear anything.
So there's an active shooter, active shooter at the beginning of the parade.
1979 was the first time I heard the word active shoot.
What about the shooting at Austin University?
Austin?
No, University of Austin.
That was that was 70s.
I don't know when that was 73, something like that.
But that was like Austin.
So it was like an hour and a half away from me.
And I didn't even register in my conscious.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
So you heard it over the.
I heard it over the cops.
Oh, 66.
Over the cops.
The cops said.
So it's 10 years after.
There is a shooter.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my god.
They're canceling the parade.
I mean, all this is like coming out.
Like boom, boom, boom, you know.
And you're like a firsthand account of it.
You're like, here they got it.
I'm panicked.
My parents and my sister are in the front.
Of the parade.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
That's so scary.
I just got full body heaps again.
Yeah.
Because that is our float was down there.
So what did you go?
Went.
We left.
And Tony, my boyfriend at the time, Tony, we drove home not knowing what we were going
to find because you couldn't go.
They wouldn't let you go up there.
No.
And how would you find them in that crowd?
Yeah, that's true.
It's true.
And you can't text or call and be like, are you okay?
Yeah.
I'm like, oh my gosh.
So I get home and I wait and I wait and I wait and no idea.
Oh my God.
That's so terrible.
And I wait and I wait and a period of time.
I don't know how long my parents show up and my mother is just white as that sheet right
there.
Oh my gosh.
And she begins to tell us that they were her and Wendy.
My dad was with the float and my sister and my mom were walking towards Broadway because
it happened at Broadway and Grayson.
Oh wow.
Oh really?
Yeah.
Right where that Mexican restaurant is.
That's like right there.
Like Josephine kind of?
Yeah.
Right there.
And so what happened was, well let me finish that account and I'll tell you who it was,
but they start walking towards the front of the parade, which is at Broadway and Grayson.
Ma and Wendy?
Yes.
Okay.
And mom said she hears fireworks go off and she's like, oh the parade's getting ready
to start.
Let's hurry.
Oh my gosh.
And so they start hurrying towards the front of the parade and they realize.
Towards the noise because they think it's, oh my gosh.
Oh my God.
And they were probably a block away maybe and they were out, they were not under 35.
But Paul was there.
Paul was at the float, waiting at the float.
And at the back of the float and mom and Wendy were walking towards the float, where the
float was at and right towards that.
And so they, mom said she just realized that people were running towards her.
Like the opposite way.
Oh hell no.
With that.
The call is coming from inside the house.
Screaming, screaming and people were taking cover behind their lawn chairs.
Because like where do you go?
Especially without many people.
When we were downtown at the George Floyd, well just you know, Black Lives Matter, the
peaceful protest, there was a noise that happened or something.
And I mean it was like scared like the wildebeest moment in Lion King.
Everybody's running in a certain direction.
If you're standing still you're going to get run over.
Yeah.
Like you have to move.
Well you know, you don't expect anything like that.
So how quick does your brain have to go to register what's happening and why are people
running towards us when the parade is that way?
Yeah.
And especially at that time, you don't immediately think there's a shooter.
Of course not.
Nowadays you would, but at that time you would never think.
But then you'd, yeah.
And so mom said when she realized that there must be an emergency, she looked to her left
her right, I'm not sure which.
And all she could see was Leah in that white dress at the very top.
Just trying to get out of the dress.
My God.
And she was like, oh my God, that's terrifying.
That is so scary.
My hands like over my mouth.
You can't move.
I mean you were stapled down.
Like you were a, she zipped.
She is zipped into the dress.
Stapled at the top of 12 feet.
A sitting duck.
Did she get shot?
She did not get shot.
Thank God.
So someone from the group got up there, unzipped her.
What's all she had on was just her undergarments.
What a fucking hero.
And she got down in her underwear.
I would be down butt naked if I had to.
Yeah.
So no one's worried about my parts when there's a ghost.
Everybody's staring at that, not at me.
So what happened was, and I don't know all the details.
I don't know, you know, a ton of details of his history, but his name was, do I say his
name?
You could say it.
Yeah.
Ira Attabury.
And he was well.
Ira.
Attabury, ATT, E, B, U, R, Y.
Attabury.
He was a, apparently very well known in the mental health facilities in San Antonio, having
a history of mental illness stemming from some war trauma, et cetera.
It says that he had PCP in his, in his strontia.
And he was doing drugs.
Wow.
And he had done, he had taken his, his, his travel trailer and he had parked it at that
corner of Grayson and Broadway the night before, two days before in preparation for
the parade.
Well, when people started gathering.
Oh, so you had planned it.
Don't know if he planned it or if it was, he thought, I'll just park here and I'll watch
the parade.
I got a good spot.
But then when people started gathering.
Seems like preparation.
When people started gathering his paranoia set in and he thought all those people were
trying to harm him.
Interesting.
Oh my God, that's so sad.
Yeah.
It looks like he had very serious mental illness from the military.
And so he, he ended up taking his own life before this happened, before the police got
there too.
Oh really?
Killed two and injured dozens.
And he says, God, that's awful.
And it was his own life before.
I mean, that just after that shooting.
Wow.
In the trailer.
Yeah.
But he shot six San Antonio police officers.
What?
By the time the shots had stopped, he had killed two women and injured more than 50, including
the SAPD officers, as well as men, women and children who had been caught.
And they, I mean, the pictures is horrific.
This is the day when the lawn chairs were metal aluminum and you opened up all the straps
on them.
People are hiding behind those.
Just anything.
Well, I mean, even that Amy Bishop story where that one woman went like this and it
hit her finger and ricocheted and the bullet lodged in her cheek instead of killing her
instantly.
I mean, any moments like that, that happened with Richard Ramirez too.
When he ambushed that woman coming out of her car in her own garage.
Was it Richard?
Yeah, it was Richard Ramirez.
And same thing, she put her hands up with her keys and the bullet ricocheted off of
the keys.
I mean, anything is better than nothing, honestly, if you're going to try to protect
yourself.
So I think my mother toilet paper, I'm sorry, my notes, my mother had PTSD from that for
a long time.
Oh, I'm sure it was.
She was, she was very gosh, here we go.
He hears me in here.
He does.
Kota, she's in here.
Kota.
Uh, she was very immediately shocked for days.
I want to say a full week.
I mean, it just, I'd lay in bed.
I mean, she did.
I mean, she was just a zombie for, for, for a better phrase.
It was loud.
Sorry.
It's okay.
She just really, really struggled with that fear.
You know, that was probably the most traumatic, immediate traumatic thing.
Yeah.
And for her first exposure to that kind of thing.
Well, she would have been what, in her twenties?
My mom?
Yeah.
No, she would have been in, well, Wendy was a 10.
30s.
Well, Wendy was 10.
And mom, mom would have been before 40.
Y'all are going to hear the cat.
Sorry.
He sounds like he says mom.
He's always asking for our mom.
Mom?
Kota, come here.
That's the big black Tomcat that we were talking about.
Um, this episode.
We're talking about in the episode, or did we talk about in the mental breakdown?
Oh, it was the episode.
I don't remember.
Well, that's wild.
So your parents got home and then what happened?
You guys just saw.
Everybody collapsed.
Yeah.
That was just scary.
I mean, that was the first time I saw a mom that shell shocked until Elvis died.
Yeah.
Then when Elvis died, she did the same thing.
She locked herself in the bathroom.
She locked herself in there and cried for a while.
That's what Ruby, our grandmother, my dad's mom, that she, it was after JFK died, right?
She did the same thing.
Same thing.
She locked herself in the bathroom.
Hi, baby.
Oh my goodness.
This is making so much noise for her though.
You are amazing.
All right.
I think that's our cue to get out of Launa.
Why are we at?
We're at the last.
You'll have anything else.
We're at an hour.
Oh.
Might be a little.
You guys have anything else?
Oh, Kota.
He's wrapping up against the table.
What are you doing?
Well, I enjoyed this.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thanks for coming out.
I hope my numbers were accurate.
I think they were.
If anybody has anything that is contrary to that, please correct me.
We're throughout some more statistics.
Yeah.
I'll give some more statistics.
I mean, it's unfortunate.
I'm glad we have resources that people can go to.
It's not, navigating the mental health system is challenging enough without knowing that
there are other options.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
It's never, don't let.
He's ramming his head into the table.
Stop.
Don't let it deter you if you get a stop sign first.
Yeah, absolutely.
Don't let it deter you.
Yeah.
If you're, if your family member needs help, don't give up at the first closed door.
You know, there are ways to get some help.
And, you know, even if it's showing up at, you know, a mental health facility and saying,
I need to be evaluated.
My friend, my family member, except.
Yeah, absolutely.
And if you're working in a mental health facility and someone comes in and says that they need
immediate assistance, don't send them to the ER to get help, please send them right there.
Exactly.
Because that's really unfortunate that that happens.
Don't make them send an appointment.
I also want to say.
Yeah, don't make them follow up with an appointment.
Yeah, I also want to say, if there's any, it's very, this cat.
Hey buddy, come here.
Say, my mom hungry.
If there's any listeners outside the US, Canada, UK or England or Ireland that want
to include maybe their local crisis numbers, please let us know and we'll put them in
the show notes or we'll mention them on the next episode because we can only find so much,
you know, online.
If you have, you know, personal experience with that and you know that something is a
really good resource, please let us know.
Or even if you don't and you just heard, you know, that it's a good resource.
Yeah, we did talk a lot about Texas, but yeah, if you want to post one that's in your area,
even just on this Instagram, whatever this one posts, you just want to put that number
in there as a comment.
Yeah, I think that would be helpful.
Yeah, and one thing I wanted to mention just briefly, if you do have a smartphone, and
a lot of people don't, but if you do have a smartphone, there are online free counseling
sessions available very frequently.
So that is a resource that's available and you don't need insurance for that.
Yeah, exactly.
All right, well, we got to get this boy some food.
He's freaking out.
He always gets concerned when we're in the closet.
He's like, what is this doing in here?
Especially now that mom's in here, he's like, okay, something's going on.
The only time we get in this closet, or when we used to when there was a door on it was
when there was a tornado warning.
Or we get in the bathtub in the front bathroom.
The other thing that I think is going on is my suitcase is sitting out there.
Are you leaving?
Yeah.
All right, well, thank you guys for joining us.
We hope you enjoyed this episode.
Thanks, mom, for being here.
Thank you.
And we will be back soon with another mental breakdown.
Yeah, of course.
Are you going to say love you, bye with us?
Love you, bye.
Bye.
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