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Motherfucking helleeeee!

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Really loud, I'm so sorry.

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Let me back the fuck up.

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Have you seen those TikToks where it's like someone says something and then they shriek

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and then they comment and it says the word and then it goes with the eagle emoji.

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I have not seen that.

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Welcome back to another episode of Diagnosing a Killer.

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The mental breakdown.

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The minty breakdown.

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My name is Kenna.

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I'm Koelle.

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We forgot to do that.

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Yeah we did.

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We're back because we missed the mental breakdown last week.

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It was just so crazy.

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We just didn't have time.

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It was Valentine's Day week.

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I think people understood.

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I think the case came out a little bit later than it usually does.

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I was busting my chops to get it edited.

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It came out the same day but at night.

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Usually it comes out midnight than the night before.

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Oh I see.

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I think you guys are being patient with me.

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We have had such good feedback lately and I really love it.

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Everyone's just been so awesome.

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Every time I get a notification about a comment on the Instagram, I know you see them too.

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We get excited and someone commented on the Amy Bishop thing that said they lived an hour

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away from where that happened and I was like, oh that's cool.

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That's interesting.

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Yeah.

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If you guys want to tell us your stories, please email us DM us.

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We'd love to do an episode of your stories or something.

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I'm not sure how that would work but something like that would be really cool.

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I agree.

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Or if it's just a few emails or something then we could have a bunch of stories.

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Give us details and stuff like that and then we'll put a compilation where I'll read one

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and then you read one.

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Even if it's from a mental health perspective.

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That would be really cool.

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Yeah.

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Definitely.

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Do a listener's story maybe episode.

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Something like that.

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I just want to say you guys are fucking awesome because we've had such good feedback on the

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mental health aspect of this podcast.

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Everyone is saying that, everyone that we've talked to recently is like, dude, especially

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new listeners, they're like, I have not found a podcast that is as detailed in the mental

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illness aspect of the podcast, of the crime, the childhood.

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We really dive deep into that and why people do what they do.

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Everyone is really reacting well to that and they're saying we really appreciate the fact

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that you're not only telling the story but you're not idolizing the crime or the criminal.

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You're really educating on the psychology behind it.

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Yeah, of course.

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And of course that's what we set out to do but it's really nice that that's recognized

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by people and they're not trying to listen to us for the gory details.

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They're listening to us for the education and I really like that.

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So thank you guys.

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Yeah, I actually had someone who was a first-time listener write to me personally and said,

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just finish the first episode of your podcast and first off, I'm usually not a fan of true

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crime because of the implicit bias our justice system has against poor black brown and marginalized

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people.

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I hate how so many true crime shows sensationalize cases and glorify the job that the detectives

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and the cops do even though sometimes they arrest innocent people and it completely ruins

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their lives and reputations.

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It's just a vicious cycle of injustice and racially profiling people.

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I love how you guys look at it from a psychological standpoint instead of digging into the gory

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details of crime to paint a picture of a vicious monster that we should all fear instead of

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talking about the mental health aspect of it.

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Of course and the last thing that we want to do and I think that we've done a really

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good job of it so far but I always like to remind people and I posted about this earlier

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on the Instagram actually mental illness is not a crime.

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Mental illness is not equal a criminal and a lot of people seem to have this bias or

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this mindset of if you're mentally ill you're dangerous and that is absolutely not the truth.

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That is absolutely not what we want people to get from our info.

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I know we've done a really good job of doing that so far but I always like to remind people

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of that and pepper that back and I always say pepper is in.

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But you know it's like so many people especially with those diagnoses like schizophrenia and

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antisocial personality disorder, narcissistic things like that people hear those words and

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they're like wow stay away from that person or we have to protect ourselves from that

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person.

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Like no that's not the truth at all.

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They assume that that person is unpredictable.

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It might take a moment for that individual to realize these are the patterns and behavior

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that are causing this reaction or this feeling but if anything talking about it will only

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help the individual and say hey do you know that sometimes you do this or can you tell

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me why that is or why you're feeling that way or how often do you feel that way?

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Trying to understand rather than trying to or just judging right off the bat.

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To avoid people which is honestly probably the worst thing you can do for somebody with

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a mental disorder that doesn't know that they have it.

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Especially people that even if they may think that they do have it like see people avoiding

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them that's just going to exasperate their symptoms more.

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They're going to be like well what's going on why are people not you know talking to

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And I actually did a mental breakdown episode on the schizophrenia spectrum and so if you

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want to listen to that I actually think I did in that episode if I'm not mistaken like

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10 common myths about that disorder.

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So if you want to listen to that one there's a lot of good info in there but we just want

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to continue to remind everyone that we're doing this from a place of education and a

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place of love and empathy.

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We definitely want to make it clear that again mental illness is not a crime and we will continue

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to say that and I'm sorry if you guys get burned out of us saying that.

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I'm going to sound like a broken record but I really know that to be true and I want everyone

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I think that's really what we sought out to do with this podcast is really you know hone

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in on again that mental health aspect and really just try to stay true to that and I

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think that's something that I hope that we've accomplished.

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We also have a little fun along the way.

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I think that's what we've really tried to do with our podcast was do that.

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good feedback as well of people saying you know you guys are not only like educational

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but you're fucking hilarious and like you guys are really casual.

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It's like just having a conversation like people have told me they're like I feel like

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I'm in the room with you guys when you're talking and I can like respond and you guys

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will like know what I'm thinking or whatever like it's just like a group of people or just

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a couple of people like us when we sit down here just chatting away we're having a good

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time you know we're being authentic we're not fibbing we're not you know everything

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that we say is factual we try to not really have a lot of opinion in there of course we

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do sometimes and then we just try to be lighthearted as about it as well when it's not a serious

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Tyler from Movication texted me I think yesterday was like quoted something that I had said

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or you had said and I was like we're so funny.

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We're just hilarious.

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We're just so funny.

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America's got talent.

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She's kidding.

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Yeah so definitely thank you guys again so much for everything.

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Before we do get started I also just want to add in our handles because I like doing

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it at the beginning as well so if you want to follow us on Instagram or email us or

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anything like that our handle is at diagnosing a killer at everything except for Twitter which

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is at Killer Diagnosis.

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If you guys want to donate to the Patreon that would be amazing for us and you get some

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goodies as well.

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If you'd like to do so that's patreon.com slash diagnosing a killer and that is all

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I have.

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I can't believe we got a paid partnership with temporary tattoos.

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Oh my gosh I'm so excited about that.

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That's really awesome.

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Mom was saying she was like we should go buy like a bunch and like try them out as well

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so that we can give like you know actual.

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Honest feedback.

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Yeah honest feedback exactly and I mean I don't know if you guys don't know us we both

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have a lot of tattoos.

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I have a half sleeve and Koel has a bunch how many tattoos do you have?

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I think I have one, two.

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I think I have I'm just going to guess.

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I think I have eleven but they're all scattered.

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Well we both have a bunch of tattoos and we're both we actually have matching tattoos.

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We have hearts on our middle fingers, our left, mine's on my left hand and yours is

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on your right hand so that when we hold our fingers up together they like we can flick

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people off and like give them love at the same time.

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Yeah it's like the ultimate flicking someone off it's like with our powers combined.

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We'll have to post a picture on the Instagram for people to see but anyway my point being

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is that we both have a bunch of tattoos but I've also like always wanted to experiment

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with the temporary tattoos because I'm like it's really cool because you can try it on

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before you actually get it and if you don't like it then great you didn't put it in your

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So that and I've looked at their website it has amazing options they have like a full

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color like everything they have some St. Patrick's stuff St. Patrick's Day stuff coming out

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right now so that'll be really cool as well and then if you click the link in our bio

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you can get 10% off of those stock photos as well those stock tattoos as well.

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I think they last for a really long time too because you know Kota Steven on TikTok he's

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the guy that goes like that guy nope nope I love that guy.

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He did one where he did like a full on sleeve and his mom about smacked the shit out of

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a faded tattoo but yeah it was pretty amazing.

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Like water doesn't make it.

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Lemon scented.

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So yeah thank you guys again for everything and we're gonna get into the mental breakdown

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So today I thought it would be really cool because we always talk on our mental breakdowns

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about specific diagnoses or what have you mental disorders but I thought it would be

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cool because we always reference the DSM-5 to really explain what the DSM-5 is and like

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how to navigate through it.

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Okay so I thought that was kind of interesting.

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That is interesting you know I didn't actually learn about the DSM-5 until I took abnormal

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psych and that was when we really dove into the actual book like I told you I bought myself

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a copy I know you've been using it and I didn't know about it though like in detail until

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So interesting.

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The DSM-5 is the American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental

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Disorders.

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Proud of you.

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You got through that easily.

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So its last revision was actually the fifth edition which came out in 2013.

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It is essentially a clarification and classification of disorders that the American Psychiatric

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Psychology Association and not the American Psychiatric Association.

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Psychiatric means doctor means able to prescribe medication for those diagnoses.

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So it was first released in 1952 and again like I said the most recent revision was in

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With this edition came some changes most notably things like Asperger's syndrome has been

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included in the autism spectrum disorder rather than having a specific diagnosis.

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Gender identity disorder is now gender dysphoria and bereavement exclusion has been removed

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from depressive orders which I thought was really interesting.

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Depression exclusion what is that?

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So I just looked it up because I didn't know what that was.

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It pretty much advised clinicians not to diagnose people with major depression within the first

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two months of losing a loved one.

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This book is not just for psychiatrists and psychologists.

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Almost anyone can use this tool including doctors, lawyers, teachers and even insurance

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companies.

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It's helpful for anyone because even first responders things like that.

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Pilots.

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I mean studying that can literally help anybody.

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I always say this but I truly believe even just an intra-to-sight course can help anybody

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in any field of work.

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I agree with that.

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Each disorder in the DSM-5 is detailed down to criteria, treatment and comorbidities.

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Just to name a few of each section.

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Section one of the DSM-5 talks about the use of the manual.

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It'll actually have an index as well to quickly locate the disorders.

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But section two essentially details each disorder and we'll have some kind of like an umbrella

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disorder.

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For example, they give it as like a chapter.

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neurodevelopmental disorders are and what qualifies as such.

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In this chapter we talk about things like intellectual disabilities, speech and sound

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disorders, childhood onset fluency disorder or known as stuttering which I didn't realize

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that was the full term.

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Okay, I didn't either.

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Autism spectrum disorder, tick disorders and so on.

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Okay, so it would be like one chapter quote unquote would be like personality disorders

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and then it would have all of them underneath it?

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Correct.

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Yeah, like anti-social or yeah.

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Even each of these specified disorders will be a diagnostic criteria usually described

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if a few of these criteria are met essentially that it may be grounds for a diagnosis under

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this condition.

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So there may be specifications required in order to meet the criteria.

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For example, in autism spectrum disorder since we were already talking about it, the specifiers

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dictate that the severity of the disorder may vary and quote with or without accompanying

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intellectual impairment end quote.

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So it could determine eligibility but again that's why it's a spectrum because it does

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vary.

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Yeah.

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The DSM-5 will go on to describe a diagnostic or the diagnostic features of the disorder.

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So in autism spectrum disorder certain signs of behaviors could be used towards a diagnosis.

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Essentially what the previous criteria had outlined just with more detail and more specificity.

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With the potential to further describe signs of autism, the associated features paragraph

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may help to support a diagnosis.

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So that's another, again, another little, not chapter but like paragraph essentially

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would be the associated features.

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So then prevalence would probably be right after that.

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Prevalence is talked about with people who have autism being about 1% of the population

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around the world which I thought was interesting.

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Because I was thinking like in America 1% that's not a whole lot of people but of the

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world.

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Yeah.

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That's a huge population of people.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So other paragraphs within this chapter, quote unquote, would be the development of the disorder,

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risk and prognosis, culture relations, gender relations, and differential diagnosis as well

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like can be underneath, again, this little, not umbrella but the chapter of the umbrella.

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It's kind of weird.

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It's like a little bracket system.

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So another thing that they touched on is going to be comorbidity.

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We talked about comorbidity a lot in this podcast before.

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Comorbidity is effectively the presence of two or more disorders or conditions in one

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patient.

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So in each diagnosis there is a risk of comorbidities and for example in autism it could be things

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like ADD, ADHD, anxiety, depression, changes in eating like restricting food intake which

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is part of the ED conversation that we had, sleeping issues like insomnia because of the

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anxiety or the depression, and then language defects and then so on and so forth.

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Interesting.

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I just want to say I feel attacked because you pointed at me when you said anxiety.

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Just excited.

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I have anxiety now that you pointed at me.

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So I know we talked about the umbrellas earlier and so I'm just going to list off what those

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umbrellas are.

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I won't name every single disorder underneath these umbrellas because that would take a

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long time.

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But they will be neurodevelopmental disorders, schizophrenia spectrum and other psychotic

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disorders, bipolar and related disorders, depressive disorders, anxiety disorders, obsessive

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compulsive and related disorders, trauma and stressor related disorders, dissociative disorders,

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somatic symptom and related disorders, feeding and eating disorders, elimination disorders,

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sleep wake disorders, sexual dysfunctions, gender dysphoria, disruptive impulse control

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and conduct disorders, substance related and addictive disorders, neurocognitive disorders,

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personality disorders, paraffillic disorders and other mental disorders.

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I feel like we've done at least half of those for our mental reasons in the past.

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Well, I weren't talking about it.

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So the last portion of the book of the DSM-5 highlights any revisions from the last edition

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while simultaneously going into detail as to why the revision took place.

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I actually didn't know that.

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That's really smart to do this.

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Especially if it's a new diagnosis and the person that is looking it up is referring

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to the old one.

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I guarantee you it shows where the new one is and again why it's revised.

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That's really interesting.

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That is really smart.

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Well, I think it's also to encourage people that like, okay, it's changed.

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The verbiage is just why.

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There's also a glossary at the end as well.

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Interestingly enough, there's also a culture concept of distress section including kufeng

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is is a.

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It's not kufengisia.

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It's kufengisisa.

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This whole time.

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I didn't pronounce it right the whole time.

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Damn it.

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It's such an inside joke.

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Kufengisisa?

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Kufengisisa.

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Not kufengizia, huh?

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No.

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Sorry.

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It's really not.

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I thought it was kufengisia.

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Oh my gosh.

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Let me look up kufengisia.

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Kufengisisa.

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Now it's all I can hear.

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Kufengisisa.

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Wow.

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I am so sorry if anybody listened and was like, Kenna, you're saying it wrong the whole

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time and then in the bloopers, I was clearly saying it wrong the whole time in the bloopers,

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but I thought I was so smart for saying it correctly because it took me a long time to figure

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that out.

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The funny part about it is that you were taking it so seriously.

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Get it right.

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Yeah, and I still said it wrong.

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God, it's embarrassing.

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Kufengisisa.

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Kufengisisa.

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Very interesting.

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Yes.

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Well, forever it's going to be out there that I say kufengisia.

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Kufengisia.

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That's all I have.

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That's interesting.

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Yeah.

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I figured it just would help people.

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I mean, because you can get a copy of the DSM-5.

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Yeah, it's like 30 bucks on Amazon.

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Yeah, to know what you're really looking at, looking for.

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And then now here for forever, whenever we bring up the DSM-5 or we're talking from the

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DSM-5 or whatever or referencing it, then you guys kind of have in your head a more

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clear picture of what we're referring to or referencing.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And like I said, it's like $30 on Amazon.

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I know you can get the other ones like the DSM-4 or 3 and all that stuff.

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Highly recommend getting the most current one because of course there are revised copies

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and there are reasons why they're more current.

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I think I said this in one of the mental breakdowns a while ago, but I wouldn't doubt

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at least a DSM-5R coming out soon because it's been so long since it came out in 2013

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or a DSM-6, but usually they do like the number and then they do a revised version

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before they go to the next volume.

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Oh, okay.

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So yeah, definitely.

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Because it was like 2008 to 2013 that they like did another one.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, that's really interesting.

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Thank you for sharing that there is, I mean, thousands of diagnoses in there, right?

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Or hundreds.

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Yeah, I'd probably say each quote unquote chapter or umbrella rather would have anywhere

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from four chapters to maybe six, seven.

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And then there's also again that other section as well.

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So anything that really hasn't been touched on or anything like that, that they'll talk

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about those at the end towards the end of the book.

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I mean, essentially we could do 400 plus episodes on each diagnosis that's in there.

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Like we could literally go down the list of them and then just do an episode on each for

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the mental breakdowns.

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Yeah, like even under the autism spectrum disorder when they're talking about meeting

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those specific criteria, they do say when we were talking about like the severity, not

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the severity, but I guess the specifications and what the specifications could mean if

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one thing, one criteria wasn't met.

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Yeah.

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Then it could likely be this or that.

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But the reason that autism spectrum disorder is so interesting is because the pendulum

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swings way to the right and way to the left.

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There's so many different details.

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That's why it's a spectrum and or like schizophrenia spectrum disorder.

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There's so many varying degrees of certain criteria that you could meet, but then you

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kind of don't meet that, but you kind of meet this and it's just very unique.

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And it's interesting because I feel like when you think about autism, I think that maybe

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people are a little less or a little more forgiving about what that might mean to them.

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But when people hear the word schizophrenia, it's like crazy.

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And that's not, I mean, it's a huge.

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Describe someone else.

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I would just hope that people would give more understanding like they do with autism spectrum

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disorder to realize that schizophrenia is also a spectrum disorder.

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Of course.

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And again, I always bring it back to personality disorders, but like honestly, like, you know,

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we all have our opinions and our, we have the statistics and the facts that we bring

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out here, but and unfortunately a lot of our cases have to do with people that have been

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diagnosed, maybe undiagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder, anti-social.

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But that, again, I can't say this enough does not mean that that is a disorder that is dangerous.

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And like, again, if anything, we should be leaning more towards these people to help

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them get the help that they need instead of, you know, turning a blind eye or, you know,

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trying to avoid them or whatever.

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You don't need to be on alert when you're in the presence of people that have this diagnosis.

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You might not even fucking know that someone has this diagnosis.

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That's what I was going to say.

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You know, you don't know how many people you've met that you wouldn't even bat an eye at because,

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you know, maybe they've sought help and treatment and they're on proper, like the proper dosage

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and things like that.

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Or maybe they don't even know and they're just having a very like lucid day, you know,

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or whatever.

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And you might not even know.

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And so that's again, when we talk about the spectrum, it's you might not even know that

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somebody has been diagnosed with something.

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I mean, I don't think anybody looks at you and talks about, you know, just automatically

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goes, oh, no, she's got all these problems.

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She got PTSD.

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I can see.

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And that's the thing.

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You know, again, we all have brains.

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We're all capable of what we're talking about here.

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And if you think that you're excluded, maybe you should look at yourself a little harder.

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Yeah, because I mean, we're all capable of these things.

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It is not people with diagnoses over here and then, you know, like typical, you know,

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neurotypical people over here.

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That that's like the worst way to look at it.

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Yeah, no, honestly.

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And it's I just think it's it's really a lack of education.

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And I guess that's another another thing I want to say is like the biggest reason I think

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why we're doing this is to educate on things like that.

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You know, again, that the 10 common myths, like it's lack of education.

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If you don't educate yourself on things, you potentially might fear them, right?

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So you want to educate yourself as much as you can.

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And that's what our I would I'll take that on as my responsibility or our responsibility

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to educate people because there is so much stigma behind, oh, that person's crazy or

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that person's psychotic.

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Like, I hate when people are described as those words because that's not accurate, you

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know, and just because, again, someone has a diagnosis does not mean that they're going

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to be dangerous or, you know, violent or any different than you.

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Right.

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You know, it's just it's just a harsh, you know, mindset to have.

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And I hope that a lot of people would be empathetic, especially after like this episode to just

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keep an open mind that that's not like a diagnosis is not a death sentence.

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It's not the end of the world.

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Like you can still have a wonderful life, you know, moving forward, treatment is very

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necessary in some cases.

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But I mean, everyone's completely different.

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Everyone's situation is different.

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I feel like we've we've I feel like we've been talking to the neurotypical people, but

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I want to talk to my neurodivergence because if you don't get what you need from someone,

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maybe they're not the person you should be around.

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And if you are being called crazy or nuts or psychotic or whatever, or you need medication,

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you need there's a way to go about that.

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That's not the right way.

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And if you feel like you're being treated that way, maybe they're not the person to

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be around for you for your mental health, because it is very important to us, your mental health.

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Exactly.

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I was on Instagram earlier as well.

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I just want to say this.

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This influencer had a really great quote and I don't I won't say it verbatim, but essentially

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what he was saying was it is perfectly OK for people to dislike you as long as you're

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being your authentic self.

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Because when you're your authentic self, if someone is disliking that, then you don't

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need them in your life.

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Right.

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Right.

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So that is something that really hit me hit home for me today.

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I was like, you know what?

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That's absolutely right.

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Like, I'm not going to change myself for anybody.

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I'm not going to pretend to be someone I'm not or something I'm not.

481
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,120
If people don't like that, then people don't like that.

482
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:26,480
You know, not everyone's going to love you.

483
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,320
All you can do is just be true to yourself.

484
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,080
That's true because if you think about it, if you're not being your authentic self, then

485
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what are what are they attracted to?

486
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And it is so much more rewarding to be your authentic self and then someone be attracted

487
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to you because exactly, you know, exactly.

488
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One of my other favorite quotes.

489
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:44,760
I'll just close with this one.

490
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I know it's not even my mental breakdown, but I want to say this as well.

491
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,560
I love saying I'm not going to water myself down to make myself more digestible for you.

492
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:53,560
You can choke.

493
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,560
Thank you very much.

494
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,560
That's one of my favorite scenes.

495
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,760
It's a scene because I love you.

496
00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,760
Bye.

497
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,080
No, but thank you guys for hanging out with us today.

498
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,200
That was a really great mental breakdown.

499
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,200
Thanks.

500
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,000
Yeah, it was it was brief, but I think we got we got to chat.

501
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,000
We did get to chat.

502
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,920
We got to chat and we got to chat with y'all and yeah, we just really appreciate y'all's

503
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:20,080
support and really understanding what we're trying to accomplish here and being supporters

504
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,080
of that.

505
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,080
Of course.

506
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,480
And hopefully that is our authentic selves.

507
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,800
Of course it is.

508
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,040
And you know, one other thing I keep saying one other thing.

509
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,000
Let me just pepper this last thing in there that will stop.

510
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,680
I know it's not my mental breakdown.

511
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,680
I know.

512
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,680
It's the real world.

513
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,680
It's the real world.

514
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,680
We'd love to hear feedback from you guys on we were actually talking about this earlier.

515
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,680
Do you guys like the amount of banter that we have now?

516
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,320
Do you think that we don't banter enough?

517
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,800
Do you think we banter too much?

518
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,400
Please let us know because honestly, like we just kind of do our thing.

519
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,560
We just kind of talk.

520
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,200
We get sidetracked very rarely, I think.

521
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,160
I feel like usually when we get sidetracked, it's really brief.

522
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,040
And then we get right back onto the case, which is the way that we've always done it.

523
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,040
If you guys want to hear more about us, I'm happy to share.

524
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,640
I don't know if I'm going to speak for both of us, but things like this where we're both

525
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,920
just really having a conversation and just being open and honest about what we're thinking

526
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,920
and what we're feeling.

527
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,760
And you know, I like those kind of conversations.

528
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,640
So let us know if you guys like something like this, maybe we can do something a little

529
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,600
similar or next mental breakdown or something.

530
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,480
And yeah, we'll go from there.

531
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,000
We also need to do another DAK live.

532
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,600
I really am thinking about that.

533
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,320
Yeah, DAK live would be really fun.

534
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,320
I think it would be cool.

535
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,800
I don't know who our guest would be.

536
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,720
We'll have to let you guys know.

537
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,840
We will have to see.

538
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,920
All right, well, we will see you guys next time with another case.

539
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,840
Thanks for joining us.

540
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,840
All right.

541
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:37,840
Love you.

542
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,840
Love you.

543
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,840
Bye.

544
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:40,840
Love you.

545
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:41,840
Bye.

546
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,840
Love you.

547
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,840
Bye.

548
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